 Okay. Good morning and welcome everyone. We've been learning about the steps of deliverance. So we'll complete that today. Let's pray and get into the class. I would like to request Rin, can you lead us in prayer please? Good for this day Lord and Lord as we come together to study, to learn about your words and Lord I pray that you open our hearts and our minds and that we will be able to understand what is being taught and the thing which is that you're here with us and that you'll help us. In your name I pray. Amen. Amen. So thank you even those who have connected online for connecting. In the last class we saw the Pablo Botari 10-step model for deliverance. We were able to go on till about 0.7 I think, 7 or 8. Yeah, we, sorry, 7. Yeah, till 0.7. So we will look at the other points today and see if we can also kind of complete the rest of our portions. Essentially in the 10 steps what we have understood is to first of all bring the spirit under subjection then you ensure that the person accepts Christ okay and then identify the source of the problem then you deal with that open door you close that open door then you rebuke the spirit right. So when we rebuke the spirit what happens or we try to cast out that spirit once we have dealt with the demonic powers it becomes very easy for us to actually cast the spirit out. So in 7 we were talking about repentance if there is unforgiveness renouncing remember those terms renouncing when we renounce we have to speak aloud because facts with Satan that have been made must be broken through verbal affirmations that I no longer belong to you I belong to Jesus and all that that needs to be spoken. So then we pray with the person concerned and we help that person to actually break those those packs and that way the doors will be closed and then the unclean spirits will not be able to enter right they are actually when the practice broken legally they don't have a place to stay in so they actually they should just come out also like even if you don't come and once the person has made that commitment it is possible that they already feel free but then we will still continue to come and ask that spirit to come out and once the person is free what we can do is we can encourage them in thanksgiving in praise to God so we may pray with them and say okay let's thank God Jesus has set you free you you can walk in freedom now so now that they're experiencing that new sense of freedom they'll also feel joy so pray together with them sing together with them praise together with them and in this way we kind of encourage them and the important thing is to also lead them in the baptism in the Holy Spirit and I explain the reason last time because those demon spirits like Matthew chapter two they'll go out they'll come back stronger with seven stronger spirits so it is better that the person is filled with the word of God and with the Holy Spirit so you pray with them and ask for the baptism in the Holy Spirit so now with this we have completed our 10 steps and what has happened we close the doors the demons came out but now is a very very important and crucial step in deliverance ministry that is post ministry care post ministry care so in deliverance in all other ministries which we do suppose we don't get a chance I mean in every ministry there should be something we do to help the person isn't it for example if people get saved then even then we will try to see can they be a part of a church can they be with a good pastor can they grow in the Lord we need to take up certain steps so that in the long run the believer continues in the Lord the same way for deliverance once the demon spirit has come out post ministry how to make sure that this person will remain strong because in this scenario we already know from scripture that Satan is going to try again okay he will try again to come into the same space so we know that that believer may not know and what does the Bible say his his final condition will be worse than the previous condition so there are all these dangers and we cannot ignore that so in the deliverance ministry post ministry care is very very crucial you can't just leave the people understood so post ministry care we first of all they are now born again they are filled with the Holy Spirit and we connect them to a leader and we encourage them make sure you read your Bible every day make sure you pray every day go to church be a part of a good fellowship learn the word of God all that we'll do in addition to this we must tell them about the importance of forgiveness as a lifestyle because in many cases we see when a person is walking in unforgiveness bitterness that that becomes an open door for the devil so we must encourage them that okay you know as you're living your life many things will happen but make sure that you deal rightly in the relationships forgive the others release forgiveness fast so why is it even more important in this case because if they don't do that there are open doors for the enemy to come so we can help them to follow a lifestyle in which they forgive people that is one thing which we can guide them in and if they are struggling with it some more counseling can be helpful or some scriptures we take them through scriptures how the word of God tells us to resolve right if you come before God to worship and you have something against another brother you go settle it and you come so how to settle it all those things we can just guide them and we can also help them why are they in that state of unforgiveness are there any past issues so then do they need to go through some kind of therapy for that or what is it just help them ensure that they are in a better place right it emotionally now what else can we do we can encourage them keeping in line with forgiveness to deal with the hurts we all get hurt but deal with the hurts quickly because sometimes the tendency can be to hold on to the hurt and holding on to the hurt will again open the door for the enemy so deal quickly with the hurts that we may experience and one helpful thing can be accountability accountability simply means having some people in your life with whom you can open up you can share and you can also keep them informed like how are you doing so for example let's say I have been delivered from some spirit of bitterness and strife and all that now I am finding it difficult to have a forgiving heart towards people and I don't deal very well with her so after all the counseling and all the instructions for worship if let's say I am connected to one or two leaders I trust them then what I can do is I can be accountable to them every time I'm struggling with unforgiveness I can go speak to them and say hey guide me help me so accountability also is helpful you just connect them to somebody to whom they can speak share and you know feel free through this relationship so accountability can be created then personal devotion where in their everyday life they have habits like I already said reading the Bible praying worshipping now giving we can also encourage them to serve right like whatever little bit you know and God is calling you to do do be active be very active in God and in the ministry you can do that so little by little as they are doing things they feel that they're growing God and there's less opportunity for the work of the enemy in their lives and now that they are filled with the Holy Spirit we can also encourage them to pray in tongues because praying in tongues it fills you further with the Holy Spirit so all this will be very helpful to keep a person free for a long for their entire lifetime so this is how one would deal with somebody who has been delivered yeah so these are the key things so anything about anything about steps of deliverance questions that you may have or any experiences that you can relate to and you're wondering about a couple of things I can speak into the mic when we praying and demon is possessing can we use other tongues can we use tongues can we use tongues okay good question so to worship God when we are in the process of delivering you know ministering deliverance to someone we can pray in tongues but when we are praying in tongues we are praying as a personal prayer language isn't it so and I already said that demons can't understand so then how is it helpful because you cannot give instructions to the demon spirit in tongues so that's the thing as a prayer you can pray if you're getting a word with interpretation as a message you can release it no problem but for commanding the demon spirit you need a language you need you know any any language that we speak yeah so if you're speaking to the demon in tongues it won't be helpful they can't understand what you're saying so then how will you release your authority when you're saying submit you're clearly telling the devil don't do this do this come out then they won't get confused they have and whenever you say something they have to be subject to what you're saying so use a human language is a manifestation happens it will manifest no manifestation will also happen when we are breaking some soul ties or curses yes so it can happen it can happen any time actually so one of the things that I have read and I have also observed is when you're ministering to someone and you sense that there is like a demon spirit associated with their problem just just keep looking at them their facial expression changes even when you're breaking soul ties or something like that not always not always but it could happen like facial expression changes or the other day I was praying for one particular girl and just when I started till I was talking she was fine but when I started praying she just cannot sit still you know she's scratching her head and she's moving her head and her eyes are open all looking all over the place while we are praying I said let's pray so I could sense what is actually going on just observe so manifestation can be all kinds different kinds of manifestations but you should alertly just observe what's going on when you're praying and you're observing you can make out because it'll try to disturb you why should somebody do that when we all know while praying we close our eyes we okay pray with me because sometimes she was quiet and then just she just couldn't keep quiet then you understand that oh okay why this weird behavior also when people confess because I have I had an experience one time we are group of people we are worshipping and the pastor as we are worshipping he he sensed and he told like some in some of your family this is what you have practiced some kind of false prophecy witchcraft all these things against God in your family someone has practiced and you have to and it was still that the operation of the spirit is still there your maybe you won't know it as he was telling that the person he came and he like confessed yes it's in my family the moment he confessed like he fell down he got the manifestation happen yeah also happen it can happen see it can happen but it may not happen also so that is also there sometimes we are waiting oh this person is going to manifest but nothing is visible so it should be open for both just keep observing you may see some changes you may not see some changes but more I think in in whenever in deliverance know what is helpful is you pray and be more alert about what is the Holy Spirit saying like our sense what is going on in our spirit and then the confirmation to that from the things that are going on around us that is what you should give more importance to because then you'll you'll know like what is going on like you may not have peace after you prayed you feel the spirit is still there maybe there's no manifestation but within yourself you are aware so give more focus to the voice of the Holy Spirit and your ministry yeah I'm passing for this post ministry suggestions my question is why is forgiveness the first thing what if it's addiction or something else forgiveness can you come again in this post ministry suggestions why is the forgiveness the first step I mean what if yes why is forgiveness the thing for them to do like after their minister not see it's a common open door in for all of us forgiveness unforgiveness is a common open door there can be many other open doors okay but then forgiving unforgiveness tends to be the most basic which demons can use that's why we want them to be safe from that that's the reason any other questions or there's one question you have a chivakumar has asked he's saying will demons understand different languages so apart from tongues chivakumar they understand they understand languages so then we know that they understand all human languages which is why when we command them they have to respond because they understand what we are saying okay so answer is yes they understand different languages and Nina if we are dealing with a child who cannot speak and so cannot deal with the list of all things mentioned so we who are praying are doing all things on behalf of the child so we keep praying for the guidance of the Holy Spirit yes Nina if the child can't understand you yeah you just keep doing things with the Holy Spirit but when it comes to breaking dedications and things like that you can involve the parent so child doesn't understand all this but if you have the parent obviously I'm I'm thinking because this child is so small or still not mature enough to speak so you break the dedication with the parent that will help a lot if that is possible I hope your question is answered okay Jack in sex for believer living in bondages for many years is it okay to follow the post ministry suggestions only sincerely because they have already accepted the Lord Jesus as their savior or we should follow the steps as in Pablo Botari so in the case of a believer because they are not demon possessed what are they they are oppressed believers are oppressed or they can be demonized so in the case of them being demonized if I if I say you come out demon in the name of Jesus it's okay because we know there are strong holds that have been occupied by demons but generally we find oppressed believers they are not demonized okay they are oppressed so in that case you're right Jack in you don't have to go through all the steps because they're already born again they may be already filled with the Holy Spirit but we may have to talk to them about the open doors pray with them against the open doors and tell them if they continue in it can forgive us have it whatever things are giving access to the devil that they will never be free so talk to them pray with them and post ministry and so tell them see now God has set a fee but you need to continue in a godly lifestyle so you don't have to go strictly step-by-step by this model is that okay Jack in okay sure that's time thank you any anything else about deliverance how about group groups of people believers when you're casting out a demon together how does that work okay so some simple instructions could be that you may be a group let's say five people have gone together and they are casting out some stubborn demon spirit one person can give the instructions okay one person among you you can decide tell that person to give the instructions all the others can pray in the spirit all the others can declare scripture you know all the others can also give clues like no the turning of spirits hey I sense that this is going on or relation gives a prophetic word or a words knowledge make him sit down give him a cup of water something so as a team everyone is serving but only one person is giving the command why why can't everybody give the command be quiet you you demon or come out in the name of Jesus I only one person has to speak exactly the demon will get confused what should I do now one is saying sit down one is saying get up because they are subject to our authority they have to listen so if every believer is commanding this that you're stirring up the demon actually so it becomes it's not helpful best is one person take the lead all the other support that one person you decide among yourselves okay and then do it that way so in group ministry you can do that yeah okay so I'm in the same when a demon is being cast out and there are people around is there a possibility that the demon can go into them yes there is a possibility if they have open doors in their lives so as a ministry team you can actually you know you you can ask people to join you hopefully they also have faith that's why they're coming with you and they are fine right so as a team you're okay now for the family members or someone you can't tell them don't be there if they if you can tell them and they are not they're fine but if they still want to be there you just pray over them we cover them with the blood of Jesus Lord we speak your protection on the people around you can just pray for them that's all and Pascha can we use this so are these steps that we learned only for a person or can we use it over a place or city or on a place yeah like if a country or places cities demonize so how can we also minister yeah so exercising authority over territories we are coming to that next but in a sense all this issuing of commands declarations all that works even for a space a region territory also yeah when can you pass the mic to Nina so pastor you're telling if in a group sitting when you're praying this who like Ananda's that demon can go to another person so this demon knows like the other person have an open door they know like they can understand it from out they can understand you will this demon it goes to the person with an open door he that demon can understand that these the okay the other person is having an open door or he's see they are actively looking for a space so they will understand who has an open door who doesn't mean they they are more than happy they'll be searching for a space but all I'm saying is don't get worried about it because we are going in prayer so we've covered the people in our prayer so don't worry about it frankly for them distance also doesn't matter no if they are close they are in the room or they are sitting in the next room same thing they can go from here to there but just pray over them and speak the covering of the blood of Jesus I couldn't hear you at all we are talking about loopholes yeah we're talking about loopholes unbelievers yeah unbelievers have many loopholes that's true why won't they be demonized easily yeah they can be demonized if it if it goes and makes some place it's home obviously it will either whatever it'll manifest or not manifest but it's dwelling over there isn't it so what I'm saying is any man believers have loop if they have loopholes then it can easily affect them right so another thing which you can follow is you can just while you have the opportunity to counsel this person if possible you can do it in a group setting also you know what I mean about Jesus you share about Jesus to everyone you ask everyone to accept Christ right you ask everyone to be filled with the Holy Spirit and then you go ahead and cast up the demon from this person so that also is a possibility yeah yes yes it's easier for a demon to enter an unbeliever than a believer very correct because legally they cannot into a believer but if there are open doors yes they would yeah so the question is is every unbeliever because it's easy for demon spirits to access unbelievers is every unbeliever possessed by demons answer is no they can be oppressed it depends it depends on the unbeliever also now if they are not having you know all these open doors habits there are people who live very righteous also isn't it so then they're not providing any open doors but because they are not covered Satan can oppress them in many ways oppression can keep happening okay position may not happen for some unbelievers but yeah it's easier for unbelievers to be oppressed possessed compared to believers yeah why does it sometimes take much time for us to cast out demons so as I said earlier that interview process remember see I've not given any time for this Pablo Botari model so in our minds it's like ha we have one hour we'll do step one step two step three and then we'll reach step ten it may not be the case steps one to ten may happen in two days time or it can happen over one week you understand so it depends on a lot of things and especially in the interview that that particular step what is the core issue why did this person get affected if we are not able to find out that also take long somewhere outside see here's some meeting and I am only in church and my brother is there so one family came and with his wife so she is crippled her body is very crippled and she is not in conscious and I prayed and his teeth is fully tight I prayed after praying normal she is speaking and we all think like it gone but after that same thing happened so that day it's very difficult for pastor to come back at time so he came tomorrow full night they were in church and we are in church and we are sleeping and sometimes she is telling like they are coming to take me and they are telling like she's saying many things and like that so I'm praying it going for like one hour rest after that same thing so till morning and morning pastor came he prayed and it gone and normal they went home till three days maybe this things happen and after three days she is now fine yeah so it can take time that's what I'm saying because sometimes we rebuke but the door is not closed then these demons come back they try to manifest in the same way so it can be very frustrating but we have to keep persevering okay we may have to counsel the person we may have to find out maybe they'll share few things but they won't share everything what is going on in their lives so according to you you found out what you should pray against but actually no there is something else unless Holy Spirit reveals we don't know what to address isn't it so so many things are there so it may not be so straightforward praise God for times when it is one one step finished but there are times when it may take a couple of days a couple of weeks even what you can do is you can I've heard people say this they pray over the person they try right all these steps they just try if it's not working they just bind the demon I bind you in the name of Jesus you will not afflict this family anymore I speak protection over this family I speak protection over this child you just pray and you close the session then next day come start again you got it so they use this thing of binding that demon and then restart again the next day because the demon is still there we are not done till it's out so that's how some people do it also so see this also take some practice as I've been saying no listen to the Holy Spirit be sensitive to the Holy Spirit observe the circumstances we will get the peace that yes it's all done it's fine then it's okay but because we still have post ministry keep in touch tell the person I will meet you after two days let's meet again let's meet after one week so also when the demon leaves let's just take example depression one demon of depression it's not psychological a demon of depression you cast it out person looks settled happy peaceful after two days when you meet also they are peaceful after one week if you mean that means what demon is gone person has changed okay so this way one is the witness of the spirit second is through their life itself you'll understand that demon is not working anymore it's gone so like slowly we'll understand what exactly is happening yeah that's how yeah a person can be possessed by many demons true so if there are many demons do they leave one by one that legion demon that Jesus cast out for we are many it says I think only once he commanded right and they all left so they can all leave at once no that's also in practical deliverance ministry I have heard that as well that once you cast out demon of lust next you cast out you know demon of fear one by one one by one you keep casting out it happens this way also that way also so there's no formula for this and I want to tell us in the beginning we said everything is not demon possession isn't it so sometimes when we have cast out a demon the demon may leave but psychologically that person can behave the same way you know what I mean it's not a demon anymore it's a it's a behavior of the person so we should be able to distinguish between these things because they've learned something it comes through like manifestation each time you understood so then you don't have to be casting it out because demon has gone but this is the person they need therapy they need counseling they may even need medication so I remember this one situation it was a little scary so this particular individual manifesting okay behaving weird speaking weird things and a couple of us actually on our team we were trying to help we were trying to pray I tried to minister deliverance after everything it's just getting worse it's getting worse we were getting updates from her colleagues that no now she's saying this she's saying that but then thank God you know we have people like Jean on our team so Jean helped us she identified no it's it's a it's a disorder the child has a disorder so we need to help we need to help but it's not about casting out a demon okay so then thank God we found the right person we had to take her to therapist and medication and person was under medication for some time and once the medication was administered the the mental condition was stable so what is the meaning they needed medication you understood so this is a mistake that a lot of us believers do we think everything is demon but may be a person really needs help they have some physiological issues that even after you cast it out repeatedly if something is happening be alert do they need help do they need medical help it is a valid question sometimes when you help people medically they improve it's just a medical problem you know what I mean so there's nothing un-christian about helping people with medication okay so should not misunderstand as demon possession yeah so that is also there right sometimes when we go like for prayer sometimes we deal with curse so how can we how what is the proper way to deal with the situation yes ma'am because I know in Uttarakhand in one family is there so we went there so what is their situation is whatever new thing they buy they will get fire they will burn itself no one is doing anything but it will burn everything new thing they will buy and in night stones in their homes fall down like that type of situation so like my pastor told it will be like curse so I want to ask like how can we deal with curse yeah there is one Bible verse yeah it is Proverbs 26 and verse 2 it says like a fluttering sparrow or a darted swallow an undeserved curse does not come to rest simply means even if a curse is pronounced on somebody there should be a reason for example they are unfaithful they are unrighteous they are doing some things and there is an open door if there is an open door the curse will be active but if there is no open door the curse will not work so when we read like numbers 2323 I think it says like there is no witchcraft against Jacob God's people even if somebody curses us it won't work one because we are in Christ second there is no open door you're walking in righteousness so that is what this passage means it means there should be something for the curse to land on others it will just not work now in this case maybe it were unbelievers or they are believers this family okay they were unbelievers correct so maybe their worship has opened the door for what is going on in their life right so there must be some reason why this is happening how is how are the demons accessing how are the demons able to do this okay so again we have to go back to that same like Pablo Botari model once you understand you lead them in a prayer of repentance I repent for not worshiping the true and living God I repent for engaging in money in wrongful ways I repent there must be something no then you lead them in repentance and what are you doing that landing ground for the curse you're destroying it then how will it land it won't land after that you take authority on that curse you break it I break it whoever said it over you I break it in the name of Jesus I command it to be destroyed you will no longer affect this family then it's fine because you've done everything now there's nothing where the demons can come and attach so they will walk in freedom now if they keep going back to those habits we can't help it now right so that's how it works curses okay so don't I mean as believers we should not get very scared some when we go to pray for people they might say all this there is a big curse some big person has put a curse you think okay it's okay doesn't matter Satan was crushed on the cross through the cross whoever put the curse okay tell me what is it I want to pray for you right because we have authority we should not get scared but yes approaching each person and ministering deliverance there is no formula you have to be alert with the Holy Spirit and you should be strong in your sense of authority faith prayerful life then we can we can deliver minister yes yeah yeah correct yeah so women is asking we pray for people who are who are affected by demons and they are set free but they go back to their old ways what can we do about such people that's when this model we have you know talk to the person help them understand see this happening because you are into all these things so then at least they will know that they should not go back to it but if they're going back to it and they're coming back saying problem has started again problem has started again then you just counsel them you tell them see I'll pray for you again we'll we'll deal with this but please don't do this again right God wants you to follow him walk with him so you need to instruct them from the Word of God now after doing all this a couple of times they are still repeating you don't take but I mean you don't put it on your blame yourself for it because you know we can't control people right we can only give them instructions and suggestions but it happens many times you feel sad that we have the answers in the word but people are still doing correct correct and we can't force so that's how it is okay good I think an insightful discussion many practical things we have learned so praise God for that seems like I'll have to do one more class I was hoping today will be the last class but I have to do one more class which is fine would it be okay if I do an online class next Wednesday it's fine okay so we'll just do one online class and then we are through with our portions so let's pray and close for now could somebody please pray Jesus Lord we thank you for this time a lot father that you have given a lot father to discuss and to learn a lot father thank you for the new insights that you have given us a lot father thank you for a lot of the knowledge that you have poured into us a lot father Jesus we ask for the faith a lot father help us a lot father not to this reason but to take it and apply a lot father in our lives Lord Jesus and help us a lot father to grow more in your word a lot father to see your power manifesting through us a lot father God and Jesus we thank you for this class a lot father everything that we have learned a lot father fully spirit that you be with us you guide us a lot father to use it in the right thing that was needed a lot father we give you all the glory and honor in Jesus and we thank you thank you everyone by for now we'll connect next Wednesday thank you