 To the wall it's ready. I didn't know this. So what I thought was This is really what I thought because I've used that phrase a ton and people say hey We tell us about podcasting. Well, I'm big on throwing a lot of spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks Yeah, my mind is just what spaghetti randomly sticks, you know, like no throw a lot of spaghetti Some of it'll stick and we'll go. Oh, look at that spaghetti. It's stuck Yeah, I just always felt like you know if you got a you know, you got the right spoon, you know You take a piece out You know, just try it Here's what you're saying is there's a preparation aspect to that That's important. It's like if it's going to stick. You've done your homework. You've worked hard on what needs to happen before you throw it The throwing it is actually the fruition of all the work you put into it. My use of it is Let's just see what works. We just throw stuff on the wall It's still the same idea. Yeah. Yeah, you're saying I throw spaghetti against the wall Let's see if it sticks and if it does well, I don't know. I don't know what that means Maybe it maybe it means I I push ahead That's more me. I think I'm the spaghetti guy and not the al dente guy Well, it's all spaghetti. Well, I mean I could use a little more like the part of that scenario that I miss which is execute with I don't know. You know, some people are always ready aim We're not worried if it's al dente or not. You're just want to eat some spaghetti. I just want spaghetti. Yes No, I get it. I think you don't but you don't want mushy spaghetti No, but I don't overcook it. But sometimes I'll throw stuff in a microwave that doesn't belong there, you know, like Just, you know people if you're gonna make ramen probably should do it on the stove Even if it's the store-bought stuff because it's gonna be better But I don't think of that You just want it to be warm Ramen is magic. I I hear you. I hear you Ramen is bad No, hold on. Let's not start new topics at 130. We got a show to do here Let's spread dreams all at once Uh Scott, would you like to read line three for us? I would be not only glad to but happy to let's do it Wow. All right. Well throw it against the wall Do it sticks Yeah, exactly. All right. I'll count you in Uh from five. Are you ready? Is everyone ready? Yes. Okay. Here we go. Five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports independent tech news directly If you're not already become a dtns member. That's dtnsmember at patreon.com slash dtns This is the daily tech news for wednesday december 5th 2018 in los angeles. I'm tom mary and from studio feline I'm sarah lane and from I can't get my letters right i'm scott johnson And I am uh roger jay He's the show's producer. I'm the show's producer and a very overcast corner of la county. There you go I know we have nothing to complain about but it is chilly around these parts Relatively speaking. I know which is why I said I know it's Yeah in lots of other places, but no one else outside of la county is going to give us any sympathy but We can give each other. It's 28 degrees here. So I don't feel oh, well, you know what I'm just gonna shit It's very chilly. Uh, we're gonna talk about the state of self-driving cars in a little bit But let's start with a few other tech things you should know Microsoft launched a new version of outlook for ios focused on design Improvement such as the calendar icon which now animates when you're moving backwards or forwards Swiping an email now includes haptic feedback and the blue color is now being included Which was used in outlook on other platforms There are other favorite folders for mail management and avatars in the inbox and an inline view of your calendar before you Press accept or decline on an invite Well writing excuse me ride hailing company diddy chuxing announced a reorganization aim to improve safety after two riders Were murdered two new positions have been created a chief information tech Excuse me information security offers officer reporting to chief technology officer bob jang and the chief safety officer Officer reporting to chief executive cheng wei It is also been announced. It will consolidate some ride hailing divisions into a single business That being a single business unit in order to improve compliance and service standards Amazon prime will launch its prime video app on Comcasts x1 set top box this week Users will be able to use the x1's voice enabled remote to launch and navigate the prime video app The service will require an amazon prime subscription Of course matt strauss vp of xfinity services for comcast cable said we are very comfortable With our business relationship with amazon the value of amazon prime video is providing access to its award-winning series kids programming And movies integrated into the x1 god Does anybody here have the x1 set up box? I'm not a comcast subscriber. So I used to I have your internet and that's it. But it was actually pretty box already, right? It was a nice box comparatively. Yeah all the other comcast stuff I mean this the idea here would be people who don't already have a way to watch this They don't have an aptv you don't have a roque or whatever This is now their way to get amazon prime on tv and a very easy just click and point and let's go I think that's probably who this is aimed at the rest of us already have it on some other box, but Good for them They don't want people to cancel comcast because they want to watch marvellous mrs. Maisel. Well, there's that too All right, let's talk a little bit more about the big facebook dump scott Well, uh, uk mp damian collins released 250 pages of internal facebook documents that show how the company makes decisions About handling user data. I almost said loser data. I real that would have been a real dumb thing to say Companies like netflix and air bmb were whitelisted in order to access friend data after they would have otherwise been restricted by new policies implemented in 2014 Also shows facebook shutting down access for twitter owned app vine Uh, they don't vine no longer runs, but that's not really the point The documents were gathered as part of a court case against facebook in the us And were made available to the uk as part of its investigation into the proliferation of false news on facebook Facebook said the documents are misleading Yeah, it seems like the the the hot take on this is facebook Uses access to user data as a reward and or punishment Like giving netflix and air bmb some some perks because they were they were good partners And going against competitor twitter by shutting down vines access i'm i'm not I feel like it's it's really hard to make this argument because facebook does a lot of things that i don't like But i don't feel like facebook is getting a fair shake in that a lot of what they do is standard practice from other companies They just happen to be under the gun Yeah, you're probably right but but I mean there probably are a lot of companies going poof glab we're not in this inquiry Yeah, i'm sure that you're probably right, but um, that's why I think this sort of stuff is kind of good because when this stuff comes to light Uh, I don't want it all regulated necessarily, but I think it's good for companies to be reminded that maybe they don't want to do What might be perceived as anti competitive practices Oh, this is not the entire story like how prevalent was this were there other factors I mean maybe facebook is right that this is misleading and and we have a uk mp taking it upon themselves to to leak this to the world out of context Yeah, could be I don't know I just I just uh Whatever europe obviously behaves a little differently than we do in these in these cases So what they say may may not affect us what we we do may not affect them But having them under the spotlight and saying some of what this is is a little anti competitive I don't think really hurts anybody whether they can come to that conclusion or if it hurts facebook or not Those are big questions But you know I like stuff out in the open where it can breathe and get light and we can all see it I like transparency tom Transparency if it's transparent for everything right and you're not just being shown a corner in order to make you come to a Conclusion that wouldn't be validated by the data. You're not seeing right. I think that's the danger here On the other hand, uh, buzzfeed did an article today Saying that the facebook employees seem to be in three camps One is we're loyal to zuckerberg for whatever reason another is we're loyal to facebook But yeah, we probably need a Change, uh, or i'm going to get out of here and a camp that just thinks that the media is attacking facebook Relentlessly to the point where it's going to bring the company. It's going to hurt the company Well in that third camp, uh, I saw a lot of articles today that were like Mark zuckerberg personally said that no vion should not be on the facebook platform anymore And I thought that was the least interesting of all of all of these details It's like that's just sort of normal competition stuff Well, someone had to say that has yeah, you know, right like Wasn't zuckerberg was going to be some other employee If he doesn't sign up on that sort of thing Russian search giant yandex launched its smartphone a uh, it's first smartphone a 5.65 inch android powered phone that will cost 17 190 90 rubles, which is about 270 us dollars going on sale tomorrow The yandex phone has a qualcomm snapdragon 630 processor 4 gigs of ram 64 gigs gigs of expandable storage And a 16 megapixel slash 5 megapixel dual rear camera yandex has its own google assistant competitor Named alice, which we've talked about in the show before and will also be baked into this phone Not surprisingly the yandex phone goes on sale tomorrow december 6th through the yandex store With other stores rolling out in the future Uh, yeah, the yandex is only big in russia, but it's very big in russia Uh, and when you think about you know, google putting out the pixel it it sort of makes sense for a predominant search engine in a market to Try to double down on that by getting more users I mean that's google's model is we put out android because that way more people are using the internet and likely using google Which means that we can sell more ads on google. I'm sure yandex has the same calculation behind putting this phone out as well I couldn't find it anywhere, but I assume the version of android It's running as a fork of some kind and not necessarily tied to Updates or do we know I guess it I guess there's no reason why it couldn't be Yeah, I think it's I think it's good old-fashioned android. Yeah Man, well, that's good and I I I love the idea of uh Of a of a big I like search engine competition. Let's put it that way I wish there was more of it We all just rely on google all the time in a weird way They are too even though they're a search engine company And they but they're using google for their phone But I like the idea that it's not just google everywhere and and for whatever reason I don't know why that just makes me feel like I don't know the world's better off having more competition in that space So yeah, I just double checked and and this this yandex phone does come bundled with the google apps Just like any other distribution of android. Nice Well for $270 or the equivalent near that, um, that's an affordable phone Um, sure. It's a feature phone. It's not, you know, the top of the line phone But um, if you are already in the yandex universe, which is A lot of people call it the google of russia, right? I mean, it's a huge company as you mentioned tom I call google the yandex of the u.s. But sure Sure, you know half dozen but uh, but but yeah I mean if if if this is something that especially if you use alice Which is the yandex's google assistant and by the way, I've never used it But I'd love to know how good it is. Um, if you want to compare it to the two, um, then this is a really affordable phone Yeah, I would I hear okay. Here's my request since you got your you got alice. You got your yandex phone That's all great russia. Good job. Well done I want a russian accented Assistant I want I want syria in that voice. I want my echo in that voice There's something about a this isn't weird. I promise but I love a female russian accent That would really help me get my day going if somebody just got on there and said Or I go, hey, yo, whatever your name is. Uh, what how cold is it today? It's it's at 30 degrees like in a really cool accent But a female That's okay. I you know, at least you know what you like. I think we all probably have our you know The the assistant voices that we secretly would love to have 25 Yeah Watch 90 day fiance scott I'm all for it. Bring it over The uk's bt British telecom said wednesday it will remove Huawei networking equipment from the core of its 3g and 4g mobile operations And will not use the company's hardware in 5g infrastructure This may be less than it seems though bt said Huawei equipment had not been used in its fixed line networks And it was removing the equipment from networks it acquired when it bought the mobile operator ee back in 2016 They want to bring it in line with the rest of the business. This is just the core network bt said Huawei remains an important equipment provider outside The core network and Huawei even said hey, we know bt has always used different vendors in different network layers as a matter of policy And we understand and fully support the move To remove our equipment from their core networks on mobile So I know a lot of people are picking this up thinking aha We we're we see that the that bt is turning against Huawei as well I'm not sure that's what this means since they're leaving the equipment in other parts of the network It seems like they just have a policy to say we don't want the same vendor across several layers For various reasons doesn't that it just sounds like I don't put all your eggs in one basket Thanks seems like smart business to me. I mean I actually the only part that makes me suspicious ironically is the final statement that Yahweh is cool with this that seems like a weird thing Yeah You roger might answer if you say at the other hot way that's how i'm gonna say it for no one But but those guys those guys that you know saying no, we know we get it They do this all the time and we're you know, everyone everyone's fine here that part makes me suspicious And I don't know why maybe i'm just weirdly suspicious You're being suspicious because if if in fact this is normal policy then Huawei saying hey, it's normal policy We're fine with it is exactly what they would say anything else They would say you would also find suspicious. Yeah, so you're not leaving them anything they can say that isn't suspicious I think maybe you're just No, you're totally right. It just seems like a weird thing to get all on board with ah, we totally support this idea I think it's awesome. Maybe it's a little over the top to say we fully support it You're right, but they didn't have to put it quite that that's strongly I suppose Yeah, but don't put all those eggs them on basket. This is a good lesson across the board I don't care what you're doing It's a good idea I used to work for a company had big IT issues and Part of the policy there was the same it was don't get bogged down with one vendor Don't have too many dels on desktops don't have the same server blades in the entire server farm because All we're doing is asking for weird problems when we get a weird redundancy happening There's not going to be much to do if you've got other stuff Then you'll you can lay on those other things and and not get so screwed up. So That's all this seems like to don't put all your hundred deer eggs in one basket No qualcomm announced its new flagship 855 mobile platform chip Features a new multi core ai engine with three times the performance of the previous chip specialized silicone and excuse me for enhanced computational photography and video capture and support for multi gigabit 5g Again 5g whatever that means Uh, the company also announced the 3d sonic sensor a fingerprint scanner that uses an ultra excuse me ultra sonic scanner That can sit underneath the display the sensor uses sonic waves to see the ridges and details of fingers Even through grime dust oil and water on a screen gross I mean, is it the idea of a fingerprint already that's Yeah, no, that's all Yeah, all they're saying is we use we use sound To be able to detect the fingerprint on the glass Which has been difficult it's been difficult to do a fingerprint reader in the glass before Partly because of smudging and all the things that make up a fingerprint So they're saying hey all that dust oil and water that that is usually there with a fingerprint Our sonic technology can see right through that so we don't have any problem. Hmm. That makes sense because like What's this? I already forgot what this is called on an iphone 8? Touch ID. Touch ID. Thank you That's still the in fact. I just did it with a little water on my finger for my water bottle and it won't work so This is this would be a way of seeing through that and that's Right in the screen where it's one thing to have a button that you touch with the same finger all the time It's another thing with the screen where you're swiping and smudging and smushing things around As well. The big thing is that this is in the display. It's not just touch ID type technology It's actually in the display Which remember apple famously considered and then rejected qualcomm in a dispute with apple right now Kind of rubbed it in their face to say like hey, we figured out how to put it in display I mean if you want to buy it from us, you could you just got to play nice from now on I think they ever would I mean they're so invested in the face ID now. It feels like that would be a yeah I don't know that that uh apple wants to go back to to fingerprint authentication It feels like they really are saying no it's all face ID from here on out. Yeah Well, I hate face ID so apple You're Later we're gonna they're here in a bit We're gonna talk more about phones and stuff and I want to hear I want to hear why you hate face ID so much So we'll get there. Oh, I've got my reasons. Well, you know, it's funny before we move on. Um, you know, you you've said Jokingly Scott like ah, but multi gigabit 5g. What's that even mean? But but yeah I mean we're definitely still at the precipice of okay. Well, these chips are gonna be in phones pretty soon They're going to be rolling out in 2019 but we're still figuring out what it all means because Um, there is a lot of jargon still being thrown out as far as 5g is not a very controversial term It just means 5g service that's above a gigabit this chip can handle it So when that service rolls out which it will we have the hardware to put in your phone to take advantage of that service I'm not sure there's anything controversial going on. All I meant it was controversial I just said that you know, you you get a little eye rolling sort of like, oh, yeah, this whole 5g thing Where is it? Well, it's happening. It's happening to me. What do I mean by that? I think it's more pointed at me. I don't find it the the term 5g controversial I find it continually funny that even since the 3g days everybody names everything 3g 4g 5g before it's out when it's out Later on like what the hell even is it? This is an example of using it properly the 5g spec has been signed off It's actually in operation in a few places like korea People are making equipment for it and this is an example of that equipment I it's it's that thing we talked about on tms this morning where you are So used to being fooled that when the truth is put in front of you, you don't believe it because you're like, yeah, I don't know Yeah, it's the prime wolf kid thing deal, right? Yeah Well, here's something that is real apple released ios 12.1.1 for ios today including improvements to facetime Where users can more easily switch between the front facing and the rear facing cameras during calls Plus haptic touch support for the iphone 10 r also tv os 12.1.1 mac os mojave 10.14.2 and home pod 12.1.1 also pushed out today an apple is preparing for its home pod release in china Very nice. Uh, I got that up. You gotta say about that scott johnson All right, here's what i'm gonna say real quick Because I know we don't have a ton of time because I burned too much talking about 5g But here's the thing I picked up an iphone of 10 r. Okay, got it right here got the product red one because I think that's a cool color um, I bought this because I was very torn You know thinking well, do I want top of the line olad freaking full-blown? You know x s max and all that and I decided against that and went this way because of two major factors one It's a lot cheaper Uh, and it's also Uh, you know, there's not a whole lot that's different about it the screen's obviously different It doesn't uh have the exact same body But the guts of this thing the chip uh chip that's in there the camera all this stuff matches up well With the mainline 10 series And i'm very very happy with it the part that surprised me the most Was that I have had very little experience with face id Until now and it works for me every time So I know we don't have a ton of time But I would love at some point either today or someday to hear why you hate face time or face id so much I'll tell you it's not because I don't think that technology works As long as the phone's right here But how many times is your phone on your desk? Yeah, you kind of do another stuff You can see what's going on on the phone and you have to open up something that you know There's some security measures and it's face id and then you're like And by the time you get up here the phone has said no no just enter your passcode. I enter my passcode A hundred times a day whereas with touch id I entered it zero times You know you could just swipe back up again after you picked it up But but but but that's not the solution either it just means I have to start over also you you're using it wrong You shouldn't be uh paying attention to your phone when it's on the desk sarah. That's that's bad screen time Well, I'll tell you what I'm looking at it from a real weird angle. It's right over here and I'm going Okay, what do we got unlocked it's working for me every time. I wonder if something's up I think you're just too fabulous You guys know what I'm talking about it is annoying and anybody who tells me it's not Is I don't know My brother-in-law uh said the exact same thing when he was reviewing the face id when it first came out He's like I find that really annoying. It's a cilantro. It's it's way annoying for some people and other people It doesn't bother at all. Oh, yeah, so that's actually a good Yeah, that's there's your comparison. It does remind me of that because I I'm having zero problem I know people who don't and I know people like sarah who are like I hate this I hate it. Give me my button back. I would take it any day. I'd pay for it even yeah Well folks, uh, if you would like to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com and keep up on things whether your phone is unlocked easily or not It'll be right there for you to listen to All right. Oh play that Waymo launches commercial autonomous vehicle taxi service waymo one in the phoenix arizona area on wednesday actually in chandler The suburb of phoenix and it'll be rolling out to a few more suburbs It will be available by invite to some of the 400 or more participants in the early rider test program And if you're like me you immediately went so wait a minute This is just rebranding the early rider program Like I had to sign up to get the early rider program and now I'm in a different one called waymo one The difference is You are under nda in the early rider program. You couldn't share pictures You couldn't talk about your experiences with with certain restrictions Waymo one will be a public thing even though it's invite only you can tell everybody about it You can take pictures. There's there's no nda there. You don't have to keep it confidential All waymo cars will have safety drivers on board as well This will not be a driverless service. It will have a human on board when you get picked up now we We saw a story from Reuters about all of the self-driving services happening in the united states Because there is there's a bunch of them. There's one from newtonomy out in boston Of course, there's uber's which is kind of on pause right now GM's cruise is targeting 2019 ford is targeting 2021 There's several other smaller ones in operation as well, but that's just in the united states There's also a bunch of them around the world. There at newtonomy has one in singapore. There's several in china There's actually one in the netherlands called amber Which I found really interesting at the beginning of the year kpmg international ranked the netherlands as the country most ready to support driverless cars the us was number three behind singapore number two Uh, if you haven't heard much about the self-driving scene in the netherlands, it's maybe because it's a little different A lot of the talk about amber Focused on the fact that it uses self-driving only at night To reposition the cars So that they're available for human drivers. It's like a car Share service that you you drive it yourself, but to make sure the cars are where you need them They self drive to the right place based on an algorithm at night, which I thought was an interesting take on this but uh amber had been thought to be The best bet for a commercial service to launch First this year, but it looks like way more one may have beat them to the punch with this Depending on how you define it since it is closed. It is invite only it's not available to the wider public I couldn't find anything about amber launching anything to the wider public right now So the question being with all of this news about self-driving cars Where we have many many services. There's one in ohio That that's launching this week As a limited service on on bus routes There's a lot of them that are limited to certain geographical areas like shopping centers or college campuses They're in multiple climates. They exist in warm weather and cold weather But they're not quite driverless. None of them seem to have launched without anybody on board At least somebody just kind of monitor what's going on And That said scott, I know you're anxious to be able to climb into a car that has nobody else in it I'm really excited about it. Some people are nervous about it. I can't I couldn't be more opposite I'm so stoked to to have my first experience Where I walk into one of those weird looking van shaped things because that's usually what they look like They're all you know, rarely they look like a passenger car And I just get in there and sit down and there's nobody there And it just takes me where I want to go and I can look at my phone and think to myself And not worry about if the driver's looking at me or what dumb music he's playing Whatever it is and just go to our where I need to go But weirdly I'm also excited about some learning what some of the problems are going to be and I don't mean I want to learn about a five car pile up on the freeway. I don't mean that but I mean like I don't know if we do get into a fender bender Do I get out of the car and talk to the guy and Like how is it handled like there's a lot of questions And I'm excited about those questions because that means progress It means we're moving forward with this and this is the future as far as I'm concerned And I'm ready. I'll sign up now like I'm ready to go So hurry up get your get and get your groove on make it happen in these cities these test cities And expand already because I'm ready for you and I'm ready to sell my car and do this I know the driverless card Revolution is happening, you know, it depends on where you live Whether it will happen sooner than later, but it's happening But I do like the Netherlands take on this whole thing is Do you want a car? Okay. Well one will Sort of appear near you But then you drive the car because you know how to drive That probably right if you have a driver's license and you can still take yourself from point A to point B Which I still think is very valuable. I like driving Well, I don't like driving in a lot of traffic But I like driving in the sense that I like being in control of things I don't always like to be in the back of you know an uber or a lift It's it's nice in the sense that yeah, sure Maybe you can get some work done or kind of check out or whatever But I don't always like to do that and like you said Scott You got someone else in the car and it's sort of this whole thing Well, okay, um, if a car is driving you, you know, and it's smart and knows where you're going And you're not going to get into any accidents. Okay, you're still alone But you're kind of still being in the back seat I think that there is a need at least in this sort of bridge area of us all getting used to our new reality of cars being on demand um That are driverless That then you you you drive I don't want someone sitting in the front making sure that it's all safe. I don't need you. I'll just drive Yeah, I am I am not actually looking forward to the extra dude in the car Right That part's weird and I'm not into that. I like a guy who drives. That's fine. I feel woman That's fine, but I don't want a guy just sitting there with a clipboard going on. Okay. Everything looks like it. That's weird I don't want that Unless it was tom. He's a nice guy who's currently frozen and not moving. No, I'm fine. Oh, okay. You look frozen Tom's just Tom's just shocked shocked and appalled I'm good. I'm looking at the red light that the rogers flashing at us. That's all All right. Well good Well speaking of red lights, uh, you know who uh, who never provides a red light for me in the morning when I'm looking at the tech stories of the day Everyone in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show reddit.com And on facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news Show do that and also email us and then we'll pull your message out of the mailbag Maybe correct. We actually will and today we got an email from clive, which we'll read now Clive says regarding epics game store. We talked about this on the show yesterday Good comments on the impact of the pc gaming There's going to be an android and other open environment store as well If this works the same esteem on pc and linux You may be able to pay for a game on one platform and then have it available on all of them This could be big if it saves Uh, this could be big if saves are cross platform as well A lot of dreaming going on there clive, but I like I like the way you think I would love that Scott how likely is that do you think I think it's not likely to happen early um I think that it could over time though. I mean the the reason this is probably coming up for clive and the reason I think it's probably suitable to talk about here is because Their epic is known for having a really forward thinking Sort of methodology to pushing fortnight out to multiple platforms and they want that kind of cross save stuff They want phone Console computer doesn't matter where you're at all that stuff's jiving together same account all over So it it's it's a nice idea to think they could get there steam has, you know Cloud sharing or cloud saves rather now. I'm sure that this will launch with something similar to that But over time Uh, maybe they can push for that, but I don't think it's likely right off the bat There's too much involved with developers and publishers and them all having separate ideas about what they want to do And it's not going to be that easy at first. They're going to have to just be a store And provide the basics an equivalent steam experience and and that'll get them started Well, thanks for the email clive. It's always good to get you know Get the uh, the juices flowing on on what might be possible and what might not be and also thanks to scott johnson For being with us this blustery wednesday Um besides staying warm. What's been going on with you the last week? Well, I am staying warm. Um speaking of video games Patrick, uh, beijana who was also on dts on tuesdays. He and I sat down and recorded the monthly video game briefing show or mvgb show Which you can find over at frogpants.com slash mvgb or other places on the dts site. There's lots of places. You can find it Uh, you can subscribe to it anywhere and we talked this week about Not just what's happening for the holidays in the terms of video games and deals and that sort of thing But specifically what kind of stuff should parents be looking for? What casual gamers should be looking for and what existing gamers should be looking for Before the year is out and we had a great time talking about all of that Uh, we know what platforms are going to work the best for you. I think this time of year more than we ever have So go check it out subscribe to the show. Let us know what you think Oh, and you can find me on twitter at scott johnson. Thank you folks Go subscribe. Uh, and if you are someone who wants a little more out of the show You can get it a lot of you already know this by becoming a member at patreon.com slash dtns There'll be a fresh new column from roger chang coming at you tomorrow If you're at the associate producer level, I also do a regular update called the editor's desk where I just kind of spend 10 20 minutes going into depth on How it is that we cover tech news and my thinking behind it That's all available if you're a patron at patreon.com slash dtns We love your feedback as well. 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Basically Oh, you know what in that well, okay, let's think about that the title first my All the the sayings I don't get Call me al You can call me better Uh, there's gotta be a joke there where it's like you can call me al, but it's actually spelled ai I like this one, but I think we've used it before waymo cars waymo problems. Hmm. That does sound familiar, doesn't it? Pretty good It is pretty good Alice in the motherland Is it is it the motherland? Yeah, I guess that's right. Yeah, so someone it is. Germany is the fatherland. Yeah Yeah, I think that their fatherland their fatherlander And america's apple pie homeland, you know, it's from like where the homeland where the homeland Homeland security. Oh the whole department named after it. What do we named it changed it to home room? I think it would be a little less ominous report to home room Home room security Hey, that'll be great The department of home room security has foiled a terrorist attempt We're the home of the land and the free of the brave. Yeah, we're the free We're the home of the land and we're free of braves Yeah, unless you live in Atlanta, and then they're everywhere. They're everywhere. Yeah Um, oh Get out of my dreams get into my self-driving car. It's not bad. It's a long you definitely use that before Well, we have yeah Just for a future note all billy ocean references have been used Are they are they Pretty sure What was our caribbean queen reference? I think that goes back to the buzz out a lot of days, but there was one uh, huh fair fair and just Uh driverless cars for the miss and throw passenger Sure. Well, I liked what you said in slack earlier roger What was it about waymo robotic cars waymo taxi a waymo robo cabs waymo robo cabs. Yeah Oh, got it Done we'll make it done Oh That was what I was thinking of earlier in the show I didn't want to go down too much of a rabbit hole, but where did eggs Had When did we put eggs in baskets so much that we were like, well, I'll put them on one Put all your eggs in one basket. Where does that come from? Yeah, like I I understand what that means But where did it come from? I'm sure there's an origin thing I'm sure they at one point some some Einstein thought they could carry a lot of eggs with a very big basket and they Had an action crushed them all and decided to put them in separate little baskets Well, it's an idiom. Let's see. Uh, there is I mean, I can We you certainly, you know back in the day when you'd go to market to buy the eggs you would have Bring a basket to carry things pre pre grocery bag. Yeah. Yes. I'll take a baker's dozen You mean 13? Sure Or 14. Yeah, that always bothered me too. Yeah, this says there's some some stuff here It says there is some controversy over the origin of the phrase don't put all your eggs in one basket The expression is most commonly attributed to Miguel Cervantes who wrote Don Quixote in 1605. Whoa But then it goes on to say there's other people who claim it and yeah, so that's there's a messy There's a messy claiming that you know what no no no I coined that term in all of our investigations of phrases and words That the one theme that unites them all is there is some controversy about the origin of this Yeah, doesn't seem to be a lot of consensus. Mm-hmm I'm with you there Consensus Let me move over to this episode. Oh, I gotta create a new one for tomorrow How you doing? Duplicato I'm trying to think if there is an eggs in one basket reference for any other type of food Not with baskets, but just because most food isn't as breakable, right? Don't carry all your ribs and one carcass Because it you're not going to break your ribs Oh Don't carry all your ribs and one carcass All right, don't go on a jog with only your ribs. So the the the potential would be anything breakable What else besides eggs is like oh Like super there's got to be something Oh, that's a good bread is crushable, but it's not necessarily breakable Hmm They're squishable great kind of squishy. Yeah, don't carry all your tomatoes in one basket But again, you kind of have to really work at it to squish them whereas eggs if you just drop the basket, you're gonna break a bunch I don't know if there's anything as fragile as eggs Maybe someone should develop a new high-tech 21st century basket. Don't carry all your sugar art characters in basket. Oh Don't I got it. I got it. Roger. You're right. Uh, don't Uh, don't keep all your files in one cloud service It's pretty good. See you can't just draw a box or take it into iCloud. It's very well It's very yeah very well Seamless really back ups in case one of them goes away and you can't control it I mean, it's not in any way related to food or fragile fragility, but it still works Well fragility works kind of if you want to look at like, you know data hard drives can break EMP can blur It has I mean if you're just trying to modernize it, you're not going to drop your cloud storage and break it But it still works right somehow it still works Don't keep don't invest your money in one company the best. Oh, that's true. I'll bet you investors like Invest, well, that's actually I mean people use the phrase don't carry all your eggs in one basket to describe that Right that is in fact a metaphor for the literal thing that you just said, right? Well, there you have it But I food-wise I can't think of anything else. No No, not anything nor not anything common like sugar Sugar characters are the closest thing I can come up with those are pretty you see those at fairs Don't have all I got it. Don't have all your Thanksgiving in one aunt's house That's not right. You want to spread it around with the rest of what the turkey will break? That was not working for me Scott. I don't know why Does your aunt have a fragile hip? Is that what you're doing? You leave your nice aunt alone. She's she's hip to be your aunt. Yeah Don't don't flush all your toilets in one Pull no don't don't shed all your tears on Argentina. There you go Wise words, I think it's a significant that we drift farther and farther away from food with every attempt I don't think so No, the point was is there any other food like that and we are drifting farther and farther. So therefore People in glass houses should not throw eggs Oh I got it. Don't keep uh, I was watching baking shows with kim and it reminds me so don't keep your Sugar, no wait, what's the uh, the chris don't keep your crystal sugar sculptures in one fridge So true I think the eggs could be true this holiday season I think eggs are just uniquely qualified because they cover The fragility Of life and the yeah all of that that like they're perfectly suited and that's why it's a thing Can we look up fragile foods? Fragile foods on yandex. What is our result sounds like a sounds like a very upper-class restaurant Yeah, welcome to fragile foods man. Take your order That's good. Yeah Very precious farm to table I I had eggs for breakfast. Oh, uh, prototude. Prototude has one. Don't keep all your crunchy tacos in one in one In one box or even just shells. Yeah, they're not gonna break. Let's not go shells very break. I mean if you had, you know Rocks on top of them the crispy shells Wait a minute. I love the idea of somebody keeping rocks on their taco to keep these tacos safe. What are you gonna do? When would the shells break like when you drop the basket same as the eggs? Oh, yeah, good point. Oh guys Because the the crispy, you know that the shells sort of you know, you kind of stack them and their strength and numbers Have you bought them recently because I feel like there's always a broken one in every box Oh, yeah, always actually I don't buy them for this very reason So Here's the other part that they don't tell you about how many actual egg Collectors go into the egg place where the chickens are what's that called the coop and have like more than one basket with them That's that's dumb. You also the the whole thing's missing Don't put all your eggs in one basket Also hire three additional people to carry a basket each and don't walk with them just in case the accident that happens Takes you both out. So like there's a lot more complication to making sure your eggs are good Okay, hold on the whole thing is a mess. It is it's a giant or a huge mess My sister keeps chickens and collects eggs. I'm asking her right now. Okay I actually the first time this is the personal story the first time I ever heard that reference I was um in college and there was some guy that I liked and you know, he didn't really like me back in the same way And he said to me because he was trying to basically sort of like push me out back into the world He was like just don't put all your eggs in one basket, you know And I was like what? And and you know And then yeah, I probably asked somebody and they were like well what he meant was don't you know, don't Don't count on me to be around in a week type thing But you know, but like I was like, huh interesting interesting reference I don't like that. You said that's me, but I kind of respect it Yeah, I kind of it's a weird usage case Yeah, just it's just him having a little excuse there. All right. I have got three dots for my sister Okay, uh, who is in fact going to respond she may respond by saying tom. Leave me alone. I'm working I have a real job leave you alone She is the county clerk of bond county duly elected in the most recent election congratulations fantastic. Yeah Ooh, she says only one I like to live on the edge. Wow Interesting One basket gal. So there you go scott. There's your answer. Yeah, she's an actual egg collecting chicken owner. Yep Yeah Like a card carrying member an egg carrying chicken owner. I mean that's legit I I'm gonna take her opinion I mean because that's enough that could be a whole other phrase Don't live life like every egg's gonna break, you know, like Go chasing waterfalls. Yeah, because they're not that's very different It's chasing rainbows not waterfalls Wait chasing. No, don't He's thinking about the tlc song very different. Yeah, that's that's a whole other Canna worms. Yeah, which is another thing I think this is a uh We're not saying any of you are scrubs. You will always get love from us, but we are gonna end the video and Move on To the audio only portion of the show so those folks