 Talk about your feelings and lungs it long as my feelings don't run out of battery. It comes with a proprietary charger Let's do a show Here we go At the end of the day making free content doesn't come cheap show your support for the independent content You're listening to right now at patreon.com Slash ace detect that's patreon.com forward slash a C e DT ECT This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday June 18th 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me as he does many times on a Thursday and many other days Justin Robert young of Weird things Jerry talks night attack and DT and s yeah Man, I'm I'm I'm so I'm so excited to be back on the show Sliding back in to your tech news of podcasting lives listeners like the Cardinals into the Astros As soon as you started that metaphor, I knew where it was gonna end up Where are you coming from today? Morristown, New Jersey Morristown What's Morristown known for? The hotel that I'm in right now Famous hotel the Justin Robert young stayed in yeah, I know Morristown It's known for being a 30-minute trip from Newark International Airport. All right. Well, let's take a look at the headlines Mark German over at 9 to 5 Mac Who by the way every time I say his name I'm like who's really got a good record with the rumors But he does isn't as a tiring as it is that he's right so often Has some sources who say Apple's plan for Apple Watch 2 includes adding a video camera with FaceTime functionality a new wireless system for greater iPhone Independence you can do more things on the watch without being tethered to the phone new ways to be more expensive also known as premium options between the thousand and ten thousand dollar levels and battery life Expected to be not different the same as the current Apple Watch Apple will likely release a full next generation Apple Watch next year That's when we expect them usually to do things yearly But that camera might or might not make it into next year's edition might be pushed off to a future one Which of course if the battery life is the same and they have things like a front-facing camera and a Wi-Fi radio on there that would mean that there is more battery capacity It would just be our experience would be that the battery life is about the same Which I think that was probably the most overblown of fears for the watch Compared to I think how the things have shaken out there really are complaining about it Legitimately can't get through a day without recharging it, but it's not as bad. I think as people were yeah You're really working on that watch if if you can't get through If you can't get through a day with it in my opinion But you know the big question for this is where do you think Apple wants the watch to be released? Because they have very much chafed at they tried they have moved successfully the iPhone release You know to the spring in the year. I get it. Okay. Yeah, we're in the year We're in the season. Do they see the watch because I do think they probably want it Oh, do they want to give it its own little release window? Do they want to release it when they release the new phones in the fall or the iPads in the spring? I think that'll be a good as iPad becomes more and more a commodity very much like the iPod touch Maybe we start seeing the watch being the flagship of the fall announcement. That would make sense. You would BuzzFeed's Matt Honin got a sneak peek at a Twitter project called lightning that is targeted to launch later this year Project lightning brings photos videos and tweets together and in in in if heart easy for me to say in an event Based curate curated view. That's embeddable across the web So anything from breaking news to sporting events to award shows can be viewed whether you're logged in or not If you are logged in you can view them in a separate section or follow an event that and see it blended into your regular Timeline Twitter expects to have seven to ten events running on any given day It's the last raw of dick Costolo who apparently did this interview with Matt Honin two days before he announced He was leaving as a CEO of Twitter and it's his sop to people who complain that Twitter doesn't have enough Active users. He's been beaten the drum to say hey Twitter really doesn't need Active users as much as it needs viewers as it needs readers of the active users it does have and this is an attempt to Take advantage of that and I think it's a really interesting Capitalization on something people use Twitter for regularly which is following live events Certainly, so it also takes advantage of the fact that when Twitter put in Embeddable tweets it really made a difference in terms of web reporting of people not just copying and pasting text Which is really all you want to see and putting quotes around into their story But putting the full rich Twitter enabled Embedd right there so as a way to capitalize on the fact that people are already using that function I think this makes sense. However, you do have to wonder whether or not to the rabbi Dick Costolo whose baby this apparently was Will affect how it is deployed now that he no longer has the top position Honan did get a quote from Jack Dorsey who said I'm a hundred percent behind this project So at least out of the gate the interim CEO isn't showing any signs. Well, sure, but if he hated it What is he gonna say? This is terrible and I'm like a percent buyer his project. Yeah, I don't know Then we actually have three stories about new ways to get news the next web reports buzzfeed itself has a news app of its own Available for iOS today buzzfeed news is the name of the app shows you the most important real News of the day not listicles not that kind of buzzfeed But the real honest to God reporting like what Matt honan did plus breakdowns by topic You can even opt in and push notifications either from things like major breaking news or specific categories like politics And you can also opt in to specific story alerts So right now for instance, you could say show me all the stories of the FIFA corruption investigation Let me know anytime a new one breaks perfect time for them to roll this out Probably the biggest impact they have in terms of original reporting is in politics and with the political season coming up This is a great time for them to flex their muscle. Yeah presidential election Topic have that thing You know, let you know anytime. There's a breaking news story about it and and folks who don't know there are two buzz feeds There are many buzz feeds I'm sure but there is the buzz feed you all joke about with its clickbait headlines and then there's a real Hard-working Journalistic integrity version of Buzzfeed that does excellent original reporting. Yes, there's there's the bud There's the buzz feed that is paying good reporters that no longer work at newspapers because newspapers don't pay anybody anymore But wait, there's more to this news podcast for which covers how news is covered Fortune reports on Google news labs three new crowdsourced journalism projects YouTube news wires getting the most headlines It's a video platform collaboration with story full that features verified YouTube videos that news outlets can use to embed Or use or embed another project called first draft coalition will train folks in verification and ethics He sighed and the witness Media Lab is a Google partnership with nonprofit Witness that trains nonjournalists in reporting injustice and human rights violations Worldwide now, why are you sighing about the ethics and verification tree? Noble it's a noble idea. I well, I think the idea is good, which is Existing journalists who didn't You know cut their chops on the internet Could benefit from a little training about like what is believable on the internet and what is it? No, I Is a problem. I don't know if this is the solution, which is I guess why I gave it a snotty dismissive reaction, but I'm Yeah, absolutely. Oh a wild Jenny I actually worked with story full when I worked at Yahoo, and I did find them to be Well as advertised which is to say as a as a in an organization where you don't have a fully built-out news staff The way you did at a traditional newspaper or a magazine or wherever Having them take that verification of a YouTube video function away is a huge time saver And there was there was never a time in the time that we use them that they biffed it There was and they were you know So it was just one of those things where it's actually a super valuable function because the art of chasing one person's YouTube Video in Russia is like in the immortal words of ain't nobody got time for that So anyway my two steps Yeah, I think I think that that is a great idea and that to me makes a lot more sense because it's an actual product And and a tool that people can use the other Ones I'm just kind of curious as to know what their target audience is because I feel that a lot of the You know and and we called citizen journalists or amateur journalists if you want to be a jerk about it Don't really consider themselves journalists like they are doing what we would consider to be not news gathering But I think they think of themselves more as private citizens who are just getting the news out So I don't know if they're if they will be wooed to hear lessons about Verification and and stuff like that beyond the idea of hey if you put this out Maybe there's you know a little Clippy that pops up in the corner of your screen that says hey it looks like you might get sued for publishing that You know could be would you like to take a lesson on journalism? I see you're trying to commit libel Would you like some help with that? You know, I think it's better to have these than not frankly because people are definitely not going to get trained If they don't have the resources for it, but honestly when I look at all three of these stories here I see the outline of where news is going when you hear about the death of journalism You are hearing about the death of a business model not the death of journalism and I think these three stories show that We have lots of momentum towards journalism and a lot of interest in journalism Whether it's listicles providing the funding for original reporting Whether it's a youtube newswire taking advantage of crowdsourced Video to provide things as jenny said that would have taken a lot more time and effort to gather or twitter Essentially creating, you know the biggest staffed live reporting outfit that has ever existed in history I mean, none of these are the silver bullet, but they are the outline of the future of journalism and and one one last thing on this so This is a golden age of journalism and anybody who says different is flatly wrong The biggest criticism that anybody would have about the modern era is that a anybody can do it and b That lies can make their way to public consciousness Quicker than they have in the past which objectively is true What is Untrue or misleading about that statement is to think that a Lies did not constantly make their way to the public consciousness before when we had fewer gatekeepers and what is Absolutely inarguable is that lies can be corrected at a speed for which they never could be Before when even corrections would get buried in some You know languish languishing element of uh, you know the back of the a Section so I think these are all great tools When I when I I sniffed at that uh the the verification stuff It is not to say that we are not in a beautiful time for journalism is just to say I hope that in this awkward teenage years Of this new model that we can continue to hone what is best to get the most accurate information Yeah, and and the other thing the other element that you the only other element you didn't touch on as far as I could Start is funding and that's that's just a matter of trying things until we figure out which one works It's not that people won't pay. It's figuring out how to make it so that they put their money where it has the best effect And I I believe that will happen. I'm a polyana about it So there uh google microsoft mazilla and webkit project engineers have announced they're teaming up together Yeah, all of those folks together. See who's the polyana now Web assembly. It's a bytecode for the web according to tech crunch the new format lets programmers compile code for the browser They're currently focused on cc plus plus, but they're going to add more later Where it is then executed inside the javascript engine without having to parse the full code that speeds up execution Hope is that web assembly will provide developers with a single compilation Target for the web that will become a standard that's implemented in all browsers The team also plans a script that will convert web assembly to asm.js So that it can run in any browser at all even if it doesn't support web assembly And they hope to add support for more languages and new tools over time And tech crunch reports on the eff's fifth annual privacy report that rates online service providers commitment to Transparency and privacy the report rewards up to five stars in categories like best practices data retention government data demands government data removal demands and pro user uh public policy specifically opposing backdoors and digital services 21 of the 24 companies evaluated meant met this last criteria nine companies got five stars including adobe apple Uh What is what is the pronunciation on this freddo? I mean credo credo credo. I don't know Yeah, whatever a credo shot first, uh dropbox sonic wicker wicca media wordpress.com Yahoo AT&T and what's app received one star Uh, so AT&T and what's app received one star just to be clear. Yeah who received five stars Yahoo received five stars AT&T and what's app one star for you One star for you and verizon got called out Even though they had two stars for just being particularly poor and even the stars that they got According to the eff But one thing that was positive about this report is they said across the board all companies have improved Uh in light of the last couple years of revelation. So we are seeing more Commitment to transparency and privacy than ever before so they had to actually uh up their requirements for you to get a star this time Well, uh, I think you know, it's good when somebody like the eff is uh A poking their nose into uh, these kind of uh, these kind of situations and b are certainly uh You know, maybe seeing progress and seeing that the big players in the industry are actually doing what they say Captain kipper is one of the folks who submits regularly on the subreddit and you can be too Go to daily tech news show dot reddit.com. Let us know what stories you'd like us to cover In fact, you can be lazy about it if you're like that sounds like a lot of work, tom You you don't have to submit anything You can just go and look at all the stuff that other people have submitted and play judge Set yourself up as judge and jury for what stories we should cover at daily tech news show dot reddit.com Captain kipper sent us the verge story that as of june 29th reddit itself Will be serving all of its pages over ssl the site already supports connections over ssl But the new system will automatically direct all connections to the ssl protected version of the site encrypt all the things reddit is now on board Finally my uh, the fact of that I spend most of my day on r squared circle will be encrypted from prying eyes Star fury zeta alerted us to this r's technical story that sprint has stopped throttling its heaviest data users Even when its network is congested to avoid potential violations of the federal communication commission's new net neutrality rules Quote for less than a year sprint used a network management practice that applied only at the level of individual congested cell sites And only for as long as congestion existed upon review and to ensure that our practices are consistent with the fcc's New net neutrality rules. We determined that the network's management technique was not needed end quote from sprint itself Yeah, uh, they didn't say new. I noticed you kind of just Naturally put that in there and uh, I think they didn't say new in their quote on purpose The only reason I pointed out is these are the 2010 rules not the 2015 rules And these are the rules that at&t uh got slapped a hundred million dollar potential fine Accusation yesterday. This is sprint saying. Oh that program we started a year ago Yeah, that's the one very similar to the one that at&t just got in trouble for let's yank that right now It doesn't have anything to do with the the newly implemented rules But it is a chilling effect of the enforcement against at&t because sprint said we don't think they actually violated those transparency rules But just to be safe we're ending the program Uh, do you think that this is like a a legitimate beginning? Uh of the end of of throttling for unlimited plans It's possible. I mean, we'll see in 29 days when the FCC finally decides whether to uh Extend that fine to at&t or not It's you know, a lot of people work. We're pointing out that a hundred million dollars is not that much to a company as large as at&t It's not exactly so much the fine As the the public nature of it And and and you know violating the regulation It's it just no company really wants to get entangled in that if they don't have to it's too late for at&t But yeah, uh, obviously you made soft bank and sprint think twice about keeping that plan in place Well, the other thing about that is that yeah a hundred million will be whatever it is to at&t's coffers But nobody wants that is a big enough number to say you don't want it again And you certainly don't want to be caught on further offenses for which you can say you didn't learn your lesson And now we have to find you more than a hundred million dollars. Yeah, it's like the 80 dollar uh parking fine, right? to a lot of people 80 dollars is you know, it's really not that much But nobody wants to get fined nobody wants to get ticketed and at&t's kind of the same way Yeah, and that's the end of everything in the headlines All right, we got a couple of stories today that we're floating around up there That made us think that we need to talk to you about our feelings They are they're both emotion tugging robot stories One of them is soft bank the previously mentioned soft bank Getting in bed with alibaba and fox con to make and sell the humanoid robot pepper Uh goes on sale this weekend in japan actually and pepper is being used in soft banks stores already a sort of a greeter Uh pepper is very humanoid has articulated five finger hands Uh, you know laughs and jokes and speaks in four or five languages Uh doesn't have articulated legs but can move around, you know on a flat surface And the idea is to get these in people's homes as sort of Emotional companions So it's not a functional robot. It's not going to do things for you But it can talk it can listen and and more importantly it learns about you It has a a learning algorithm that starts to learn your taste and and what you like to talk about and Things like that. Uh, it can actually translate what state you are in using its knowledge of emotions and doing some facial expression analysis and This comes at the same time that the new york times did a follow-up On ibo the uh the robot dog circa 1999 From sony sony stopped repairing ibos in march of last year 2014 They ended production of ibos in 2006 But the video from the new york times which by the way is a fantastically produced uh piece Just shows the emotional connection that people still have with these You know admittedly somewhat limited robots So what what what is the deal here? Like I thought we wanted robots to do our work for us. Uh, Justin, but it sounds like we just we just want someone to talk to Well, we want technology to be our friend or we want technology to Continue to fill in what we add up to equal friendship And this is You know we we were entering into this story because these products are very specifically Supposed to trigger emotional elements, uh in your life and and that is their function But it's not limited to them Siri, you know initially got uh got attention because people like to tell jokes to it And they then you know apple made a point to advertise it as Siri will call you what you want it to call you. You know, there is a element of Playfulness to what is an otherwise cold technology Myself certainly trying to take advantage of that marketing Cortana with its personality and even beyond that uh Pandora first very much came to prominence because of the idea of the musical genome project and that we could Through algorithms learn your musical taste and now you could have the friend that always turns you on to new music Without in fact having a friend who turns you on to new music What is fascinating Is where we are naturally rewarding technological advancements and where the leaders of the day Continue to fill in For what we may or may not realize our emotional chasms that we want to activate it well, and We have been doing this to inanimate objects forever probably. I don't know how long humans have been Naming inanimate objects Giving them genders giving them personalities cars are a great example of that people often name their car cars and Talk about their personalities And and so it it's a perfectly natural extension of that right I get worried Not worried worried is the wrong word, but I I wonder what the effect of fanboyism is Uh And I know fanboyism is sort of a loaded term But but that idea of your identity being tied up in a brand right so android forever. No apple forever. No, you know microsoft forever If you now have the product not just a somewhat inanimate object or even able to like jump through some hoops and give some Tricks like it has a personality but genuinely programmed to give you emotion and the ibo story really highlights that because Here are people this this robot hasn't been made in nine years The parts are now impossible to to get from the company So you have to like cannibalize other ibos essentially and yet they show this Elderly couple in japan just they've got like a dozen of these things. They keep them going They take them on trips. They take pictures with them So we are now going to be even more invested in whatever brand or product We decide to bring into our lives Well, yeah, and also it's we are at a gateway to I think, you know, we will look at the ibo as You know in the same way that we look at balancing your humors as as medicine like it is incredibly primitive Uh compared to where we're going. I mean the idea Of a barely functioning ai like we see with cortana and alexa and siri You know Compared to where we will have You know, uh, when these things have memories and these things remember that, you know, uh, maybe calling my ex-girlfriend after I asked for Uh directions to the bar is a bad idea and it asked me whether or not I really want to do it You know, uh, whether or not it calls an uber for me before I drive home apparently all of my examples involve getting drunk in bars, but Which shows you exactly my need for friends These are our intensely personal things and we are seeing it now With wearables and very specifically the apple watch. I mean the apple watch to me is the first And for whatever you might think of it as a product It is designed to be Inwardly facing as opposed to outwardly facing Which very much watches had been in the past It's the only series interface that apple has that doesn't naturally speak back to you You speak to it and it gives you, uh, you know other ways to tell you that it has received your message The taptic engine is very much supposed to be a stealth your relationship with the watch Uh and then beyond that You know, you can share that we share with the world. Uh, it's it's uh, it's something that Even in the reviews You can very much see if you do not get if you do not hit it off With what is an emotional product people don't like it and it's not like that gets better with time I think people, uh, you know find resentment in in certain elements of it in a way that uh, I think will Will be a hallmark of the wearable That the wearable genre just because it is supposed to be kind of under your skin In a way that other products aren't because it's always with you Uh, this is Incredibly fascinating to me and i'm really i'm very interested to see where we go and more specifically Do how many friends do we want how many how much emotional stimulation? Do we really uh, are we going to hit a balance point at? Yeah, and and do we want external simulated companions or or is siri The better example of the ai friend we want something that's actually kind of part of you and is much more internalized like you said Pepper is certainly not the first Companion robot to be marketed. Uh, it is claimed to be the most advanced at and and it is targeted directly at Emotion detecting and emotion and support. So maybe it'll be different when these start to get into homes But lots of other products have been out there They have a great day the day they're launched the local news comes down and does a package and then they end up in the cupboards Uh, at least according to the bbc, they they don't continue to get used because at some point People just get bored with them and realize there's a limit to what they could do now Maybe pepper will surpass that limit, but I think it's not just the sophistication of the ai at play there. I think there's something to the idea that I Know you're not a real friend Uh, and and so it doesn't matter how good you are at convincing me of that even if you were operated by a human I might eventually just turn back Towards other things that are more part of me rather than separate from me But again, let's break down what a friend is because I think that's where technology is already I would have to have experience with having them, but you go ahead I know if you weren't the news hermit shut in in your uh, in your domicile Finding all the news for everybody at all times today Then maybe you would have these quote unquote friends uh But where technology can do it is what again, I don't think that we will ever replace Friends, I don't think we will ever and maybe maybe we will you know, maybe I'll be proved wrong I don't think we'll ever look at our phone and say oh, man remember that friend Like in the way that we do a human But there's a lot that goes into it There's a lot all the little pieces that add up to you know, the that gets circled when you think of what a friend is There you know technologies are already filling in for that You know and it already is there and those Those relationships that we form with technology cold made they uh Might they be Are certainly real, you know, and they are Life-changing not in to say that your life has totally changed, but it does affect how you live your daily life And you know the fact of the matter is uh, they can succeed or Uh, depending on how good the technology is obviously sony decided that as much a couple in the new And yeah, uh, alibaba and softbank and foxconn are saying we think there's a good bet that pepper can overcome that And sell lots of these worldwide. They're going to sell for 198 thousand yen. That's about $1,600 us thousand pounds uk Uh, and you'll even be able to rent them, but they require a monthly service fee So i'm not sure and you have to sign a three-year hundred dara 300 a three-year contract Uh, you know, so you start to get into Well, is this actually something I want to sign on to but I think that points out to me the most exciting thing about both these stories Especially the softbank one is that we are now at the point Where we are seriously and legitimately discussing a whether a Personality-based robot is worth buying and bringing into your home or not Uh, that's a reality. That's a choice. That's a marketing choice a consumer choice you have now Just think on that for a moment. Uh, we were there with smartwatches Maybe 15 years ago, uh, and and we're we're still not quite over the hump there So it it it all depends but that's a fascinating turn of events from my point of view Absolutely, and and it'll be very very interesting to see, uh, you know where it When the rubber meets the road because again The one thing that we can say universally about people's emotional Uh output is that it is not universal, right? Like, you know, everybody is different Everybody handles things, uh in in a way that you Is is a tremendously complex Uh, you know algorithm to write but for example if I had pepper in my house And it did the one thing that is my greatest pet peeve Which is uh alerting me to the fact that I am cranky when I am in fact cranky I would have to take its head off And you can put it back on later. That's the nice thing about pepper So, you know, they are making parts for that. Uh, yeah, and One assumes that the pepper robot would then learn. Oh, I get my head taken off I know not to bring that up. Yeah, or but and again Maybe it knows me better than I know myself and when I am stressful it feeds me Things to bring me down to another level. Maybe it it reminds me of my favorite song Maybe it tells me that I should sit down and watch a tv show that I kind of want to see calls an uber That set the destination for your favorite bar Exactly like, uh It it is it'll be very very interesting and again, it doesn't have to be warm It just has to be right and it has to be right at the right moment We don't I think whenever we think Of ai or we think of emotional responses to technology We kind of like all roads lead to her like the movie, right? Like we just think that it's going to be indistinguishable from having a human companion And and scarlett Johansson as we might all wish But I don't think that's right I think that it will it will more likely be a very unique relationship that we have with this kind of stuff But because it doesn't sleep and because it remembers more than an average human can remember Uh, it has the opportunity To just steer us maybe Two degrees the two degrees that we barely notice in every single day that you're feeling upset And then somebody turns on your favorite song and you all of a sudden don't feel so upset anymore because you heard your favorite song in a car Driving by what if that's an ability that we decide to surround ourselves with and it's not like Oh man, like I was talking to my buddy computer joe the other day and he had the best one liner Instead it's just i'm happier when I have this on Yeah, it just that's powerful That's and that's a harder thing To catch on because it's not as obvious in the first week of use, right? It's something you have to you have to live with a piece of technology for a while for that to to catch on But once it does man, that has some staying power the way you're describing it for sure Hey, you know, I got together with a bunch of folks in seattle when I was up there And I'm pretty sure most of them were not robots. They were awesome people. They were very warm And friendly and it was great and at one of them a guy asked about being able to rip His non protected dvds and blu rays so that his wife could have access to the files on her iphone 6 And sarah in sunny seattle who was there Couldn't remember the name of one of the programs to let him know he could do this She has remembered if you're listening sir try walter by soft arena. It's w a l t r In the old fashioned way no e at the very end According to their website It takes the suck out of copying music and video into your iphone or ipad drag and drop mkv flak mp3 to ios for native playback It's an app and it's for os 10. So if you're a windows user This one isn't going to work for you They say you can play any media in any format connect your ios device to your mac drag and drop the files Open videos or music on ios and play Unfortunately, she says i don't know the guy's name or even which of your shows he listens to but hopefully it's dts Thank you sarah for sending that along I think a lot of people might want to check this out walter at soft orino dot com slash walter This is amazing. I have been looking for a really easy and fun solution For this although i don't know i mean who knows how fun it is but uh Like i need to get rid of a lot of dvds and there's a lot of stuff that you can't buy Like there's a bunch of old melbroke's movies that yeah, you can't buy 12 chairs or silent movie like it's just not available to buy and it's not streaming anywhere Come on industry I had to buy the box set and it's it's just a pain in the butt to you know You download it on handbrake and you know, you try to figure it out and then it's just always a pain I'm gonna try this as an alien studio's comedies whisky galore only available in dvd Yeah, uh, so thank you very much to sarah In sunny seattle send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Few messages from folks sent to feedback at daily tech news show dot com alan Thanks scott's idea of using vr for exploration makes sense Especially when you consider google working with view master as well as expeditions for schools alan says most of scott's examples were exploration as a person but vr could also change the scale So you could explore inside a human body or even a cell which would be fascinating or conversely You could navigate the universe between galaxies and if you could smoothly scale between the two extremes that could be even better Uh, uh, you know This is isn't this Like the curse of vr like no matter at what stage we're in we always have more Good ideas for vr than we have the capacity To do them in a way that satisfies our imagination like it is it has been The technology for which we have immediately upon seeing it thought Oh, here's a galaxy of ideas and yet all we it's an ever-widening pinhole Like that we can see you know and and and you know make this a reality All right, I understand sure somebody swallows a camera and you virtually reality get to follow the camera through their bloodstream That the novelty wears off. But what if it's celebrities? Celebrity gi tracks you could go celebrity gi door or circulatory system Uh possibly, uh, I don't know. We're just just spitball in here T2 t2 who uh does a fantastic job running our chat room go support him patreon.com slash t2 t2 I wanted to clarify As a resident of estonia, uh about the european court decision on human rights yesterday We talked about that didn't allow for any safe harbor Uh, he said most importantly the judgment of the european court of human rights is only whether or not the rulings by the estonian court Followed european laws or to more to the point Only applies to estonia not to the rest of europe So that it is a big caveat to that they didn't just change the law for all of europe now It could be viewed as a guiding principle or a precedent But it only is ruling on was this legal or illegal in estonia He said we have to consider estonian laws Everyone has the right to freely disseminate ideas there according to the courts the local equivalent of safe harbor laws specifically in this case Restricted liability upon provision of information storage service didn't apply and we talked about this a little bit Yesterday, uh because the portal owner was not deemed to be a hosting provider Uh, and he said lastly there's also the local element estonian internet comments are a hundred times worse than what you can consider the worst of youtube comments No exaggeration It was so bad that as noted by the human rights courts press release in september 2005 the estonian minister of justice had to respond to public criticism And concern about incessant taunting on public websites in estonia So this wasn't just a few nasty comments It sounds like it was much worse than maybe you were imagining also the 20 comments are documented and translated at hudak.echr.coe.int We'll have a full link in the show notes and lastly t2 t2 says to repeat This does not say anything about the laws of other countries does not create an obligation for other countries to enact similar laws And does in particular not create any obligations for website owners. So there you go. Thanks for the clarifications, man That's awesome t2 t2 is a living god. He really is Uh, and then On amazon's comment that as soon as commercial drone use is allowed They would start delivering packages by drones proto 732 had the idea that maybe as a driver enters a dense delivery neighborhood He could send off a couple drones to deliver smaller packages That would meet back up with him after two or three of his own deliveries The truck could serve as a short range communication beacon and ron said What about purchasing a bluetooth powered box that clips onto your garage door opener? The drone can open the garage place the package inside close the door and return to meet up with the self-driving ups truck for a recharge Before its next delivery Seems yeah, yeah Totally legit Good ideas. I don't think i'm going to give any drone the code to my garage door opener Those are Garage door openers are way insecure enough as it is. I don't know. Maybe it doesn't matter in that case But maybe a beacon in the backyard That says hey deliver it over here. So it's out of sight. I don't know that could be a cool idea maybe like a little uh a little like a Lowering trap, you know, I could just like drop it into a little uh a little thing and you could wheel it down Like a like like a flagpole or something, you know, you're joking, but they do have Uh, uh mailboxes specifically for things like ups Uh, they could come up with something that that like the drone could trigger and open it I mean it uh, yeah, I'm I'm not really kidding. I mean I I do think that if We if all we need to do is buy a little bit of special equipment Like we buy a little bit of special equipment for a lot of different things, uh, you know mail and delivery and stuff is certainly one of them Yeah, no, i'm in All right. Thank you. Justin robert young twitter.com slash justin r young go follow it right now He drops pearls of wisdom more often than you could imagine and you don't want to miss a one of them Uh, you can find lots of his podcasts spread out across the universe was the best way to go for that stuff Uh, probably the twitter, but uh, you know today, I will uh plug Fsl it's back in back in the habit. Yeah, it's just a rack too uh tom and I do a uh Do a uh Oh, here listen. I was gonna spell it out like this Do you like Fantasy sci-fi and other genre properties i'm gonna take a wild guess and say you do right That's it. If you like that give fsl a try now second level everybody already left that just likes that and doesn't like anything else That's fine. 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I noticed that it was just like bang s bang s bang s the whole whole day long They were bang s by the way is the command you use to send a title in the chat room Um By the way, I wonder I wonder if if len is going to be able to even like hold his digital pencil tomorrow after the uh After his disappointment. All I know is uh, my wife made a bet with him and we have chocolate on the way so Um, all right. Well, how about credo shaft first? Apparently it's an mvno. I I had not heard of them, but yeah Then these are always and and like I it's it's just a sign of how unprofessional and terrible I am that I don't read these better and I don't like I always just run into these names that like I I should just run over them and say them how I want so I can keep the flow of things But then I'm just terrified Angel on your shoulder that used to work at a newspaper and in he's saying justin Pronouncers File No, it's not even that I wish it were as noble as that It's really just my fear that i'm going to say something embarrassing and and everyone's just going to run me down on twitter with pitchfork screaming fraud fraud fraud I mean i'm going to be driven through the the digital streets like sursy with the nun behind me It'll be chad johnson's body so Uh the top 10 ways you'll hate the new buzzfeed app Um But I that seems a little negative perhaps. Yeah, maybe we could spin that a little I like the idea uh Top 10 things you won't believe about the news buzzfeed app. Yeah, then there's top 10 things news outlets hate about buzzfeed Uh, I feel like that's kind of a cheap shot That's kind of below the belt when like literally all the news is about how they're not doing Like that and they and you know, they're we got we made that clear Sure, so why not use some clickbait to get It all started with clippy I like Uh, also, how about this tom? I didn't add new in there by myself new is in the script Oh, it is I I okay that's that's totally fair I just want to do uh, really it is Uh with the mcc's net neutrality rules new new isn't the earlier part. You're right, but in the quote I just wanted to make sure we didn't put words in their mouth I wrote it wrong. You're absolutely right about that because I said new earlier Yeah, I wrote new commissioners new net neutrality rules. You're right. That's my inaccuracy Uh Tvz gone. I'm like the okay. I'm like the amiibo that keeps trying to do its job Uh By the way, what a Pixar movie that is like Robot dog that's slowly dying like oh good And going on a race to find its inventor to find parts I mean it's and and the other ones need to die so it lives like Take my parts No This is why I did that. I could have totally done the show with you But I couldn't because I didn't want to cry on camera Because this goes like straight to my soul. This is like classic jenny josephson Had a hundred stuffed animals growing up like this is this is great in the wheelhouse When you guys were talking about and like items non physical items that have souls I was like they're all still in my bedroom like I still have a select portion of them So yeah, I get it. I get it Um, all right wait more more titles more titles Uh, by the way, if you want to get even more into uh navel gazey pop philosophy about that kind of stuff What does it say? That I feel an intense personal attachment to my iOS devices specifically my iPhones Yet I don't care that I get a new one every year because I upload everything Into a new version, you know, you're just putting the old mind in a new body Exactly and I don't care about the device the device goes off to gazelle who cares my friend Still lives in his new house, which is you know If you know what if only we could do that with each other should we do but wait if there's more or should we do the top 10 Should we do the top dinner? No, should we just well, there's always who f's the e f f which I kind of really like Because uh pepper is nothing to sneeze at Hmm One is the loneliest number that could be filled with technology. What's your favorite Jenny? Oh, it's so hard You know, you don't have one I like credo shop first, but I would I would or it all started with clippy What if it what if it was it was uh one zero zero zero one one is the loneliest number? I like that Let's see. Yeah, tom you got to make the call because I don't know Or what's a what's a what's a uh a popular binary? Like if it we just needed stock, you know ones and zeros to fill in well, that's the problem. Uh A vast number of the people who get that joke will go but binary for one is one Yeah I'm sorry Um You could do uh leading indicators zero zero zero zero zero one Do eight seven zeros in a one show this is you're filling eight bits I'm down with it. Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that One two three four five six seven It's a little bit of a cheap, but that's what we do here in cardinal nation Hey, I can't talk I I root the red socks. I just stayed out of the whole baseball conversation because I was like All I'm going to do is mention the red socks and then people are just going to yell at me. So Yeah By the way, what what I what was I reading? That the red socks are terrible and they shouldn't have given away john lester and They're falling into a terrible pit of harass something that takes place in new york And is being shot in boston Yes, I know they do I just saw it was like really iconic thing. I'm like really they're shooting that in boston. It's um, it's a tv series. Yeah I just saw the same thing and had the same time felled. No When you're walking on the common no, it's something where like the city is actually integral to the story Yes, I know I just saw the same thing in the feed and I can't remember what it was the lawn order or one of the No, no, it's new. It's gis. It's gonna come. No, it's gonna come to me. It was a genre type thing All right, let me look it up because I saw it in feedly and I was like really you should have done Exactly what you're talking about Bang Binary solo binary load lifters Are more uh something then you're something they're similar to evaporators in most Thank you I don't know why I don't even think I got I don't think I nailed it. There's probably I was probably a few words off But that's me doing what justin was afraid of doing earlier, which is like don't Parade me through the streets about how I got the star wars quote shame shame Oh man Hey guys, you know, I like I'm gonna break some news here. I've been watching that uh That uh, you guys know, there's a daredevil show on netflix. Whoa What's what hold on yeah, I know that I know that netflix shows me great old movies Yeah, no, it's not just for movies anymore You know, they made this comic called the the daredevil and uh turns out now they made a show out of it What outie is it a hell of a watch? You mean a tv show like archie bunker? Yeah, uh, yeah, those were the days Um, it's amazing No, man, I saw i'm like the latest and i'm the worst, but uh, it turns out daredevil is the best So everything balances out because it's great. It's great. Roger. You just finished it I finished it last weekend. Yeah, I loved it. It was great. Fantastic. Uh Might be The best marvel villain of all time I think it's one of the best I think it's Tends on the best marvel adaptation into small screener Ever like consider even avengers like comparing when contrasting daredevil actually captures The feel of the series is not just a story art Here's what it is in terms of the villainy is that the best kind of villains As we learned on the wire are people who think they're doing the right thing Right the best kind of villains are people who think they are right and so Daredevil owns that concept across all levels of heroes and villainy It's a conflict between all different kinds of people who think they are all doing what's right for the city Well, that is the best and it also avoids because I think that is a trope for which we've seen a lot And it's almost overdone in comic book movies now is the villain believes that they are that they are really saving the world, right? But They're sociopaths by and large, you know, it's like it's like I believe that what we need to do is murder everybody And then we can rebuild the world. It's like no, okay. You're you're a serial killer Uh, you're not really doing this Pardon the interruption. It's the new ghostbusters Thank you. Thank you in boston being shot in boston You know what? I wonder if the ghosts come out because of the big dink No, they're it's set in new york, but being shot in boston Oh, I thought I thought you were saying it was like being set in boston. No, that would be just you were saying the city was integral Yeah, which is odd because Like why not shoot in Toronto or pittsburgh or because that are Toronto and pittsburgh now look like Uh, the wb and the cw. Yeah, so in order to get a really authentic city It always is like follow follow the tax breaks Massachusetts had good tax breaks this time around and so that's where they went And new york city is oversaturated with all types of vehicles humans buildings and everything so But yeah, it's kind of stunning. It's kind of a surprise that massachusetts You know ponied up or something like that because they they've not historically been a place where they've offered Really lucrative tax stuff. Yeah, I think it's because um It's been working hard Yeah, it's been wicked hard lately, uh down in uh, Dorchester and you know, they really need a break But I guess they went to new york to shoot and we're told get out of here And to answer your question jesson, I think what really makes Or your comment about really makes the kingpin awesome is there's a level of self-doubt About what he's doing. He's always you always see he's not like he's not 100 Fill with that solution public his public face To to his cronies and to the yeah colleagues is that way but you you see him personally He's always kind of like uh, maybe I maybe i'm not Well, I just got through his origin episode, you know the the episode that primarily focuses on him and it's like Everybody involved it's just like I just like I stood up in my hotel room and just applauded my laptop It was like it was so good and and and such a great use of their ability to be brutal like the the the violence Emotional and otherwise felt so real You know and and gave you a sense of you know really it's like with wilson fist They've done what nobody and I'll be surprised if this gets uh Fixed in batman vs. Zubram, but they've never been able to do with lex luther lex luther You know and and not to spoil where that episode ends But the decision that wilson fist makes at the end of that episode Is always to me what a separated lex luther from just random bad guy villain of the week is He understands You need to be the you need to be the good guy in somebody's narrative beyond your own Uh, and and you need to show the world that like you are really really good that you are a net positive Even if almost more so if you feel like you're going to need to get your hands dirty to get something done Well the the thing with lex luther is just at least in the movies the way they've always portrayed him Because a lot of those aspects of wilson fist eventually did what like are actually in prison lex luther In the comics, but not in the movies. The thing about the movies is they've always used Lex luther as a way to kind of define superman slash car Clark in others. He's he's almost like a force of nature He's not he's there to define the character and not necessarily be Define the character. Yeah, which I think is is such a disservice and and it is You know and we'll see what the fantastic for The the the two villains that I think are always Repeatedly bungled and botched are lex luther and dr. Doom because they are they are fantastic. They're so good for different reasons and Nobody in in any big ticket adaptation seems to understand Why they're so fascinating and interesting as characters. I think I think I think outside of The joker from the dark is the dark night rises Like there's very few because You know there's a there's an attitude that you need to keep things and you know for cynical reasons You need to keep things very two-dimensional Um, you know for one thing it's because they're easier to translate Right into foreign markets because everyone understands who the hero is and who the bad guy is and you can sell Something number of tickets outside of non-english speaking Areas because you know, it's a movie. It's at the plot trap translates well If you try to do more sophisticated more nuanced stuff sometimes a lot of that stuff gets I think lost I mean But I would say like Dr. Doom seems like more of a prescient character overseas Then he does in america like the the the foreign power Who, uh, you know sets up his own dictatorship, uh, you know is is something that Hello Oops, sorry. It just all like crashed on me. Yeah, it crashed on you guys Yeah, uh, oh, I guess tom crashed up. Yeah server error Good thing that happened after the show That's it. No Google doesn't want us to talk about this anymore. Apparently I was run by dr. Doom apparently apparently. Oh, look at that. I still want to do I tom I still want to pitch that star trek show we were talking about an idea Where we would do Do we would do a star trek? Show but not based around either the federation or starfleet. You know the off off off screen. Yeah I like that Well, we're gonna get out of here Before the google wants us to get out of here Who wrote the server dumps again because I don't know what this does to the final video anyway Stay tuned for tell it anyway with its sudden but inevitable betrayal celebrating episode 15