 Good evening, everyone. Welcome to tonight's Common Council meeting. Please make note there is an amended agenda. Hopefully everyone has that amended agenda. And before we start each meeting, we ask our city clerk to read the quote for the week. Thank you. If you can see a way when everybody says there's no way, know that you have an extraordinary spirit to do the impossible. Thank you very much, Madam City Clerk. Call the fourth regular meeting of the Common Council to order. Please call the roll. Warren. Here. Bauch. Here. Decker. Here. Gisha. Here. Hanna. Here. Heidemann. Here. Kittleson. Here. Clioness. Here. Meyer. Here. Montemayor. Here. Rinflaich. Here. The beautiful country we live in and Alderman Bauch will lead us. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Alderman Bauch. Approval of the minutes, President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I move the approval of the minutes. Second. Motion in second to approve minutes under discussion. There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Resignations. Attorney McLean. There's a letter dated April 16th. Excuse me. A letter dated April 16, 2008, to the mayor from Dan Castro, advising that effective that date he was resigning as a member of the Board of Review. And he indicates that he appreciated the opportunity to serve the city of Shevorygan. Can I ask a motion to accept and file? Mr. Hamm? Yes, Mr. Mayor, I make a motion to accept and file. Second. Motion in second under discussion. There will be none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Resignation is accepted. Mayor's appointments. It's dated May 19th. Honorable members of the council, I hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration. Mr. Henry Hansen to be appointed as finance director commencing June 9, 2008, and expiring June 8, 2013, signed by the mayor. And that will lie over. Vice President Bourne. Thank you, Your Honor. Would it be possible to get a short bio on Mr. Hansen before the next meeting? Yes. Thank you. There will be a short bio presented to all of you. The candidate was selected through the screening process of the application. The interview team was Paulette Andrews, Nancy Buss, myself, and H.R. Susan Hart. Anything else? No. Thank you. Target McLean. Next item on the agenda is a proclamation for National Public Works Week. And I would ask Mike Johnson, Jeff Sargent, Mike Bettina, and Clark Klinehouse. Mike Johnson worked with the Solid Waste Division. Jeff Sargent was wastewater treatment plant. Mike Bettina with the cemetery caretaker. And Clark Klinehouse with street and sewer division. And these four gentlemen represent a good trust section of what Public Works is about. Thank you, Susan. And this proclamation, of course, is a very important one because a lot of times Public Works and the work that they do, the very important work that they do sometimes goes unnoticed because we take it for rent. It's like keeping household. People don't notice your houses are clean until you don't do it. So you guys must do a real good job, and we really appreciate that. Proclamation. Whereas public work services provided in our community are an integral part of our citizens' everyday lives. And whereas the support of an understanding and informed citizenry is vital to the efficient operation of public work systems in programs such as water, sewers, streets, and highways, public buildings, and solid waste collections. And whereas the health, safety, and comfort of this community greatly depends on these facilities and services. And whereas the quality and effectiveness of these facilities, as well as their planning, design, and construction is vitally dependent upon the efforts and skill of Public Works officials. And whereas the efficiency of the qualified and dedicated personnel whose staff Public Works departments is materially influenced by the people's attitude and understanding of the importance of the work they perform. I, Juan Perez, as Mayor, do proclaim the week of May 18th to 24th, National Public Works Week. This is important here in the city of Sheboygan, and I call upon all citizens and civic organizations to appoint themselves with the issues involving in providing our Public Works and to recognize the contributions which Public Works officials make every day to our health, safety, comfort, and quality of life. Gentlemen, thank you very much for the hard work. And I had to ask earlier if they would say a few words, and they chose not to. Next item on the agenda is a public forum. Madam City Clerk. First on the list will be Delcey Johnson. Delcey, can I have your home address, please? 1306 North Third Street. And we'll have five minutes. Thank you. Mayor Perez and members of the Council. I learned last Monday that Mayor Perez had hired a new assistant. I was aware that the Finance Committee had authorized the hiring of a person to replace Susan Hart, who has been doing yeoman's work for almost six months jointly serving as the Mayor's assistant and heading human resources with no extra compensation. So the issue is not whether the Mayor's office needed to replace Susan temporarily, but the process and hiring decisions are problematical. The position of Mayoral Administrative Officer was advertised in March as temporary full-time. The minimum qualifications call for a bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university with major coursework related to business or public administration plus four years of experience in related work. The job description also calls for availability for substantial time outside regular hours, which means that this person could be working more than 40 hours a week. On May 6th, the Salary and Grievances Committee voted to make the position a seasonal job under Pay Schedule X and essentially lowered the job qualifications. The basic requirements of such positions, as I understand it, is that the applicant has to be 18 years of age and a high school graduate. I do not know what other qualifications were expected of the applicants for the Schedule X position of Mayoral Assistant. The Salaries and Grievances Committee also established an hourly rate for the position of between $27 and $30 an hour, bringing overtime pay to potentially $45 an hour. Contrary to the decision of the Salary and Grievances Committee, Mayor Perez decided to hire an interim employee, making it a salaried position and adding benefits, although the person he hired was already receiving 60% of his benefits as a non-union retiree. Several questions come to mind. Why did the Salary and Grievances Committee make the job a seasonal job? Why pay a seasonal temporary person with lesser qualifications the same pay as an experienced person who met the higher qualifications? Can the Mayor ignore the decision of a committee and do whatever he chooses? If so, why do we have committees? On Thursday I learned that Steve Sharp, the person who was hired by the Mayor to be his assistant, had decided not to take the job, which is good news because Mr. Sharp took an early retirement as Deputy Fire Chief at the end of last year and received a buyout of $40,000. So in addition to a generous buyout package, the taxpayers who would have been paying Mr. Sharp a pension and $27 to $30 an hour plus additional benefits in his new retirement position. I think that's known as double dipping and I'm told that Mr. Sharp does not live in the city. Everyone who has discussed this with me has been outraged. The situation calls the Mayor's judgment into question on a number of levels. The Mayor should have considered the fact that Mr. Sharp had just received an early retirement package from the city. The Mayor should also have remembered that he was elected by the citizens of Sheboygan and although the city's hiring policy does not require it, I believe it is reasonable to expect that the Mayor's assistant should live in the city. In this regard, one of the people who discussed this with me said, the Mayor is sending the wrong message. A tangential issue that resurfaces is the hoopla last fall when the city announced that they would be saving the taxpayers $1.5 million with the early retirement buyouts. Five public works employees took early retirements. They are hiring four new people. Four police department personnel took early retirements. Since December, the department has hired six new people. Five fire department personnel took early retirements. They have hired eight new people. Four of those hires are for the ambulance service and although Chief Listosky agreed to a hiring freeze for the department when the ambulance deal was agreed to, he has hired another four new people for a total of eight. Which brings us to the budget. Like many other cities, Sheboygan is experiencing a budget crisis. It will soon be time to create a new budget. I urge you to be sensitive to what the taxpayers of this city expect and can afford and be diligent in finding ways to eliminate waste. City employees need to understand that much of the low-lying fruit has been picked. They have to make further concessions on health care benefits and layoffs may be necessary. I hope you will all be strong enough to make the tough decisions to again keep the budget at a zero percent increase. But that becomes more difficult when you pay 30 and possibly $45 an hour for a seasonal temporary employee, $20 an hour plus benefits for part-time jobs and give salary increases of 8.3 percent, 13.3 percent, and 19.2 percent to department heads and pay the largest benefit packages of the county's public employers. Finally, there is another issue that I would like to mention briefly. The Public Protection and Safety Committee is discussing the oversight of any the city should impose on the Fire Department Ambulance Service. There was a Quality Assurance Committee, Quality Assurance Oversight Committee, when Orange Cross provided ambulance service in the city. Would you like your extra minute? Please. Which included an Alderman, representatives of the Fire and Police Departments, the Human Resources Director, and two county representatives because Orange Cross provided service throughout the country. County. Orange Cross was not represented on the committee. The Fire Department is of course required to make various reports to the state. But I feel strongly that the city needs to establish a committee for the Fire Department Ambulance Service so that citizens will have a group to go to with complaints or concerns. This committee should include citizens and medical personnel. The Medical Director for Orange Cross is located at St. Nicholas Hospital. Interestingly, the Medical Director for the Sheboygan Fire Department is located in Manitowoc. Presently, the Fire Department is doing their own oversight and handling complaints. I think the citizens deserve more. Thank you. Thank you. Next on the list would be Steve Sharp. Steve, can I get your home address, please? 818 Settlers Circle, Sheboygan Falls. Say that name again. Settlers Circle. Settlers, okay. Thank you, and you will have five minutes, sir. Thank you, Sue. Mayor Perez, Alderperson, citizens of Sheboygan. Five months ago, I stood at this podium and received a proclamation and a standing ovation for my 31 years of service in the Sheboygan Fire Department, especially for my 10 years of service as Deputy Chief, where I work hard and diligently to save hundreds of thousands of dollars for the city of Sheboygan. I was deeply touched that night, and it was an honor and a pleasure to serve the citizens for as long as I did. That evening, I told several people, if anybody ever needed some help, I would be willing to help them out. That is something that I think I also echoed at my retirement party a month later. Approximately two months ago, I was contacted by Susan Hart, and she told me that there were many things that were falling behind at City Hall due to the fact that several key positions were unfilled. At that time, we talked about the purchasing agent job, but subsequent conversations began to focus on the mayoral administrative officer position. Several weeks ago, I had breakfast with Susan Hart and the mayor, and we talked in more detail about the position, what it consisted of, and what my qualifications might be to fill that position on an interim basis. I was given a copy of the job description, and one of the questions I asked was, this doesn't look like anything on a part-time basis. This looks to me to be a full-time position. I was told it was, I was told it would be on an interim basis, and that the city and county would be looking at shared services in the areas of human resources, and that the term for this was undetermined at this time. I said that I would be interested in helping as I always have been, and on that day, we did not talk about any wages or benefits. Two subsequent meetings with Susan Hart produced conversations about the wages and benefits. The pay that was decided upon was put into an annual salary per the terms of the non-REP employee wage and benefit program. That salary that was determined was within the guidelines that had been given to her, and it also is in the lower one-third of the pay range for that position. The benefits that were talked about were reduced greatly, and everything that could be conceded so that they wouldn't be redundant or repetitive on what I already received was taken out, and probably the most noteworthy of all was that the city would save 10.6% on pension because I would not need to have further pension benefits paid on my wages. Additionally, it was noted that all these monies are in the current budget. I believe that for the past three years, Mayor Perez has worked hard to move this city forward. Many things have been accomplished. There's progress. There's building in residential and commercial areas. Renewed enthusiasm for civic matters. Sheboygan is now being seriously considered the tourist destination that it really is, and important key municipal services have been kept and or increased as they have in the area of the Fire Department Ambulance Service. Yes, there have been some bumps in the road. We all know that, but this has been done with little or no increase to the city tax rate. I believe that many of the problems that were caused during the first two years when talk radio gone wild was allowed to let anybody who could dial 458-2105 say anything they wanted about the mayor, the council, the department heads of departments, or the city employees. The article that appeared in the Sheboygan Press on Saturday is another attempt to try to make something bad out of something that was potentially very good. When I read the word botched in the headlines, I know that there's a negative spin on things already. It's time for this community to recognize the good things that are here and that we all enjoy and stop the negativism. The position that is available now to be filled is an interim position. It's not a part-time job. It should not be considered as such. I never knew there was such a thing as Schedule X until about a week ago. It would be unfair to the dedicated employees that serve this city on a daily basis for me or anybody else to take on a full-time position and be paid like a part-time person and waive all the benefits when these people are working to earn the wages and benefits that they do get. Excuse me, Steve. Would you like your additional minutes? Yes, I would. Go ahead. This position represents the city in all types of situations. It's another good idea by Mayor Perez to do something and think creatively. The private sector does it. Sheboygan County has done it. And the city of Sheboygan has done it. Returning retired employees to work and using their expertise. I trust that the press was correct when they quoted Alderman Sirich saying that there was some miscommunication and that's why this thing has fallen apart to this point. I was sincere when I said that I would help the city if I could. The press was right when they quoted me saying that I would welcome the opportunity to help but it has to be in a situation that all parties involved are happy with. I look forward to the opportunity to speak about this again. I would hope that the respective council committees may review the situation. Thank you. Thank you. That's it. Thank you, Madam City Clerk. And thank you, citizens, for addressing the council. The next item is the Mayor's comments. But before I do that, I would just like to make some points of clarification on what has been said. The first thing I would like to do is apologize to Steve Sharp for the unnecessary bashing character assassination towards you. I'm an elected official. I expect that. Quite frankly, I'm used to it but there's no reason in the world why you should be treated that way by anyone. And, sir, I've always appreciated the hard work and your commitment and loyalty to this city. I will continue to do so and apologize for anything bad that may have come out from good attempts. The second thing I want to point out is I will never, ever, ever forget who I work for. I work for the taxpayers. You will hear me often say my office is not my office. I just get to use it for a little while. But I never, ever forget who I work for. All of you know that my track record of public service is a testament to that. I represent the taxpayer. I represent the taxpayer. People have said I represent special interests. The only special interest in my mind that truly matters most is the taxpayers. And that's who I represent. And I don't forget that. The third thing is having a former employee who has retired or perhaps resigned come back and work for the city is nothing new. Being done now has been done before several times under different circumstances under different scenarios. It's nothing new. It has happened before in the city of Sheboygan. The fourth thing, presidency, it applies to department heads. The mayoral assistant is not a department head. For us to try to go back and make that a residency requirement, it's just not fair. If we're going to do it, let's do it. Well, there's nobody there and do it in a fair and equitable way. Let's not single out someone because they happen to be this person or they happen to work for this department. Residency folks applies to department heads. Doesn't apply to anyone else. Everyone else can live anywhere they want to. And those aren't my rules. Those are rules that have been established by prior councils years and years ago. The fifth thing, when we talk, mention is made, for example, Paulette Anders, 19.3 or whatever it was, an increase in salary. Again, we get half of the story from the only source we can depend on to give us a full story. We get half of the story. Paulette Anders may have gotten an increase in her salary, but don't forget that she took over the entire city engineering department and other duties. Paulette Anders is responsible for the supervision of all city inspectors and the city engineering's office. It's a huge, huge undertaking and she has done a remarkable job considering everything she has to deal with. As far as the chiefs, I think everyone knows that there were increases in salary already set in place. Nothing came in either singly or in a biased way to single these three people out to give any more races. Whatever races they've got, it's because of the policies that you have in place now. And if someone doesn't like those policies, change them. But we will implement the policies that are in place. And the final thing, I'm looking for improper things to do. I don't go around looking for improper things to do. I do my best to abide by the rules and the policies. The area of human resources in the city of Sheboygan is difficult because there's policies all over the place. One of the things that I had asked Susan Hart as HR interim director is to bring some kind of standardization to everything. Through my three years of experience as mayor, I have never seen, and I've worked in public sector too, I've never seen where you can pull out any given time, something that authorizes you to do something or something that doesn't authorize you to do something. And folks, that's one of the priorities that I will spend some time on with the HR director. Even if it goes to the county, our policies need to be improved. They need to be standardized. And we need to be able to have for all, not different sets of different times that we can dig up at any point in time. When I made the decision to hire Steve Sharp or to offer him the position, I did so under utmost respect for the individual for his commitment and work to the city and because I trust him and I believe he can do a good job. There were some questions there as far as schedule X as far as the internship is concerned. I spoke to all the CERC and Attorney McLean for 10-15 minutes in my office about it and if there was some miscommunication then there were some miscommunications but when I left that meeting, when that meeting was over I was comfortable and I was convinced that the mayor could appoint an intramural officer. I would not have spent that much time talking to two key people had I wanted to do anything improper. I don't go around looking to do things improper and I quite frankly resent the implication that I do. We will move on, thank you. Memorial Day Parade, as you know Memorial Day Parade is back in place. Alderman Hanna, you wanted to say a few words before? Thank you Mr. Mayor. Again, it's a time of year and it doesn't happen often enough that we realize how expensive our freedoms are. Tonight, men and women are in harm's way protecting our freedoms. I would encourage everyone here in Sheboygan to join us on Monday for all the Memorial Day activities and I want to thank the mayor and Vicki and Marilyn for all the efforts that you put forth. My understanding is we're going to have 64 participants in the parade which is just absolutely marvelous. So I think it's a great day for Sheboygan that gives us pause, reflect on the wonderful sacrifices our men and women make. Thank you President Hanna. We were well spoken. As you know, the Memorial Day Parade is on as President Hanna has stated. It had been canceled. There are people who read that it had been canceled but for some reason they haven't read that it's back on. So I want to make it clear tonight folks that the parade is on Monday the 26th. As President Hanna said we went from 14 participants, parade participants to 64. That's where we stand now. It's quite an accomplishment. I believe the press call it it'll be a miracle if we can pull it through. Well, we pull it through in two and a half weeks. Now we can sort of coast a little bit but get some final things down on Thursday and Friday and wait. There are very key people that were involved. Jerry Conce and Jerry Winninger, they did an incredible amount of work. These two gentlemen have hearts of gold. They care and I've seen a lot of that caring giving good heart to people in Sheboyga and these two people represent that. Oliver Montemayor and Oliver Meyer work extremely hard on weekends on the evenings to get this thing done and without compensation obviously as I and we got this thing done. We had a lot of people who cooperated. Some said we can't do it this year but maybe next year but overall as you know 64 participants for a Memorial Day parade is incredibly good and again we must not. Sometimes it's very easy for us to take for granted our freedoms and basic rights and sometimes we forget that as we speak here tonight or go about our business tomorrow there's people out there in Iraq somewhere getting shot at so that we can live the life we want to live and we must never forget that and never forget the fallen soldiers too. So again I invite everyone to participate in the parade join us at the Fountain Park program afterwards it's all ready to go everything is in place and we expect some good participation. The next item I wanted to talk to you about real quickly is a clean city initiative we are proposing to partner up with the Lakeshore Apartments Association Mr. John Kittleson former Deputy Chief of the Fire Department too husband of Alderman Kittleson as is a president of the Lakeshore Apartments Association and they've agreed to partner with us to put one good of cleaning effort in the city and tonight you will vote on item 352 which is the approval of the seasonal coding for us which will be responsible for going out into the community looking at alleys, looking at roofs looking at front yard, backyards, looking at streets and enforcing the code primarily as far as nuisances are concerned nuisances cover a lot of things and primarily garbage that code enforcer will be out there every single day doing just that our city inspectors are pretty busy doing other things and they're unable to deal with those issues we will put together a press announcement and we will let the people know that they have two weeks if there's any garbage in their yard they have two weeks in which to clean it or have it picked up after two weeks the code enforcer hopefully will go out and do his or her job and folks at some place at some time those who don't care for the yards are going to find out it costs more to keep garbage than to get rid of it thank you very much we will move on to amend the zoning map to change the use district classification of property located in 1134 Ontario Avenue from class urban industrial to class urban commercial classification the second hearing is for the adoption of initial resolution for industrial development project is there anyone that would like to address the council with respect to any of these two hearings is there anyone that would like to address the council to amend the zoning map of the 1134 Ontario okay please come up to the podium sir and can I get your name and address please my name is Francisco Halsey I reside at 1014 B North 9th Street my wife and I have submitted for rezoning to classification our intention is to open a neighborhood friendly retail operation that will be connected to the neighborhood and look forward to working with the city planning department and making that property a viable property for the city of Shebaugin that's all I have to say thank you very much is there anyone else who would like to address the council is there anyone else there being no more president henna thank you mr. mayor motion to close the hearings motion in second to close hearings under discussion all in favor say aye any opposed motion carries hearings are closed consent agenda 4-1 through 4-45 president henna thank you mr. mayor I'd make a motion that all RO's be accepted and placed on file and all RC's be accepted and adopted under discussion all in bulk thank you mr. mayor I'd just like to be able to ask a question about item 438 438 I'd just like to ask the chairman of law and licensing I wasn't able to attend and I apologize just how did the process go for those applying for sidewalk cafe licenses and we put a lot of effort into that last fall and just want to understand how the process went and if we feel good about what we have this spring thank you your honor thank you your honor thank you for the question all in bulk everything is going smoothly with the applications for the sidewalk cafes there were a couple loose ends a couple of establishments had to complete but nothing major everything looks like it's a goal thank you vice president all in rehearsal I just have a question on items 4-7 and 4-10 item 4-7 is a communication from Wagner excavating just asking the city why are we spending a million dollars on snow plow equipment maybe we should look at local resources I'm just curious if the excuse me the head of finance or a member of the finance committee could just explain a little bit of the discussion that took place with that okay thank you very much Alderman Gisha thank you and thank you all the person for hassle yes Mr. Wagner spoke before the finance committee last week and also Mr. Bittner was there to bring in his information it was actually quite interesting we used Wagner last year to remove certain parts of the tumultuous snowfall that we had that we just couldn't keep up with and one of the problems they found was that there was actually no category no line item in the budget to set up to utilize a private sector hauler like that and they have the bigger trucks we can't afford to keep fleets full these big trucks they could haul four or five times what our dump trucks were so kind of keeping under that $15,000 mark we did utilize several days of work by Wagner it was quite effective we also received a commitment from director Bittner that this will be a regular item in future budgets and he's going to be looking to utilize that more and more because of their capacity and perhaps not just Wagner but other person's capacity so the commitment was there for those two to to work together in the future and it's going to be at least the ability mechanically within the city to do that will be available in future budgets it was kind of a breakthrough thank y'all Magesha and with respect to Fort Tann by public protection and safety president Hennep exactly, item Fort Tann was a communication from a citizen here asking or I guess expressing very concerning comments against our police department so I guess I'd ask again chair of the public protection and safety or a member of the police department to I guess respond I'm curious to what due diligence we did to check into this to ascertain whether these were truthful comments or President Hennep would do that thank you, thank you Mr. Mayor we voted to file this document I think in general we felt that our staff was conducting a full investigation of alternatives we are working in conjunction with the county and a task force to determine the appropriate software moving forward so I think we're covering all the bases very good, thank you very much President Hennep sorry I think maybe as Mr. Senator stood but item 410 there's a number of documents in there and I was referring specifically to item number 2 and document 410 and again it's citizen John Weber stating some concerning head about himself in the Sheboygan police department okay, President Hennep John Weber had an opportunity to speak we also referred Mr. Weber to have a dialogue with the chief of police chief of police had an opportunity to respond I think the two of them will continue discussions thank you President Hennep anything else otherwise on 4.1 through 4.45 there is a motion to approve there is no more discussion please call the roll Boren, Boak, Decker Yesha, Hannah Heidemann, Kittleson Clioness, Meyer Montemayor, Rinfleisch Ryan, Zurich Vanderweel, Verhasselt and Wongerman 16 ayes communications and petitions 4.46 and 4.7 to be referred Boren Montemayor thank you Your Honor on agenda item number 4.47 I would make a motion to file I think all of those things will be taken care of when we get to agenda item 4.54 that will be referred second 4.47 motion to file under discussion they're being on all in favor say aye closed no Verhasselt 2 please call the roll hold on hold on Ryan do we say something yes thank you Mr. Mayer I am opposed to filing this what we have here is a joint dog park the town of Wilson has absolutely nothing to do with opening up parts of Evergreen or Maywood therefore I am going to vote against filing this I think this issue needs to be looked at again we did review this a couple of years ago and I think it's well worth looking into and I think it would be a disservice to file this at this time anything else please call the roll and I vote would be to file just so you understand Bulk, Decker Gisha, Hannah Heidemann, Kittleson no and then Kleyunas Meyer, Montemayor Rinfles Ryan Zurich, Vanderweal Verhasselt Longerman Moran two ayes, 14 noes motion fails that will be referred report officers 2, 448 we will hold for 470 make notation that they will be acted on when we act on 470 449 lies over to June 2 450 through 454 to be referred resolutions introduced 3 455 through 457 lies over 458 through 462 to be referred Alderman Meyer thank you, Renner I would like to ask for suspension of the rules and document 460 there's a motion to second is there any objection please explain when you do that when you make your motion thank you this has already gone through public works we addressed it at our last meeting last week and there was some kind of a glitch with the document coming in and it would be in the best interest of the city to get this moving and it is putting some properties that the city owns on the market and it would help with our budget so then I would ask that the resolution be put upon its passage there's a motion to second to put resolution 460 upon its passage we are a fifth month of the year as you will recall those two pieces of property and the potential revenue was calculated into our budget and it's important that we act on that thank you, Your Honor I also think it's important to note that I believe Alderman Meyer's committee has also gone through the complete normal scheduled bidding process and this was the low bidder through our normal bidding process as well so that part has been vetted out too thank you, good point, Elmangisha anything else? please call the roll Decker Gisha, Hannah Heidemann, Kittleson Kleunis, Meyer Montemayor, Rindfleisch Ryan, Syrac Vanderweel, Verhasselt Wongerman Boren and Baug 15 ayes, 1 no motion carries the rest will be referred reported committee 6 463 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license number 7841 based on the record of violations related to the license activity in failure to reveal all convictions Vice President Bourne thank you, Your Honor I move that the reported committee be accepted and adopted motion and second, under discussion under discussion, Your Honor is Randall Smith here tonight he's not here, Your Honor very well, please proceed Mr. Smith appeared before our committee last Tuesday night and after discussion and due diligence we decided to deny the beverage operators license based on his past violations related to the license activity and his failure to reveal all of his convictions on his application thank you very much Vice President Bourne any further discussion there is none, please call the roll Gisha, Hannah, Heidemann Kittleson, Cleonis Meyer, Montemayor Rindfleisch, Ryan Syrac Vanderweel, Verhasselt Wongerman Boren, Baug Riecker motion carries report of committee 7 464 by law and licensing recommended 9 class B intoxicating liquor license number 2554 the blue color bar based on applicants previous record of violations related to the license activities and on the committee standards for issuing licenses Vice President Bourne thank you, Your Honor I move that report of committee be accepted and adopted motion and second under discussion under discussion, Your Honor, is Sherry Servio here tonight he's not here, Your Honor very well, please proceed Ms. Servio appeared at our committee meeting last Tuesday night and after discussion in review the committee decided to deny the class B intoxicating liquor license because of violations related to the license activity and the committee standards for issuing the license thank you very much any further discussion there'll be a none, please call the roll Hanna, Heidemann Kittleson, Kleinis Meyer, Montemayor Rindfleisch Ryan, Syrac Vanderweel I'm sorry, thank you Verhasselt Wongerman Bauch Geisha Motion carries 465 by the committee of the whole recommending granting the class A intoxicating liquor license application number 2503 for Mad Max Convenience Store Alden Bauch thank you, Your Honor I would ask that it be placed upon its accepted and adopted there's a motion to accept and adopt there's a second under discussion there's none, please call the roll Heidemann Kittleson Kleinis Meyer Rindfleisch Ryan Syrac Vanderweel Verhasselt Wongerman Bauch Geisha Motion carries 466 by law and licensing recommending denying beverage operators license number 7861 based on the applicant's conviction for conspiring to deliver controlled substances which makes the applicant ineligible for a license as well as a failure to reveal all convictions Thank you, Your Honor I move that the report of the committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion is Manuel Renteria here tonight He's not here, Your Honor Mr. Renteria did appear before our committee last Tuesday night and his conviction for conspiring to sell or to deliver a controlled substance makes him ineligible for the license Any further discussion on 466 There being none please call the roll Kittleson Meier Montemayor Ryan Syrac Vanderweel Verhasselt Wongerman Boren Decker Geisha Hannah and Heidemann 16 ayes Motion carries The applicant's violations related to the license activity which makes the applicant ineligible to hold a license and their record as a repeat law violator Vice President Boren Thank you, Your Honor We've been real busy at that committee See that I move that the report of the committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion Under discussion is Heather Horner here tonight Your Honor Ms. Horner appeared before our last Tuesday night and after discussing her record violations related to the activity it made her ineligible to hold the license so therefore we denied it Thank you very much Vice President Boren Any further discussion on 467 There is none please call the roll Cleiness Meier Montemayor Vanderweel Wangeman Boren Decker Geisha Heidemann 16 ayes Motion carries 468 by Public Protection and Safety Recommended Repealing Resolution Resolution 111.8990 474.92.93 relating to the City Ambulance Quality Assurance Committees President Hanna Thank you Mr. Mayor Motion for the report of committees to be accepted and adopted and then place the resolution upon its passage Motion is second Under discussion Thank you Your Honor I'm disappointed with the recommendation from the committee because I do think that it would be good if the Quality Assurance Committee had some other members on it besides the fire department so that it would be more open to the public comment and what just I don't have the quality conditions Thank you Thank you Your Honor I guess the rationale appears to be that because the city is now running it we no longer need oversight but I guess the way I look at it it's still the same service just different people operating same issues we still have the need to meet obligations to our citizenry whether Orange Cross is providing it or we ourselves as the city government are providing it furthermore this more than any other city service that we offer involves life and death and it has a direct and immediate impact on our citizenry and also considering the strong feelings that still to this day exist about the Orange Cross going into the public entity I think it would behoove both sides to maintain some level of oversight for the near term if it's only for the next year until this thing gets up running more smoothly and everything is going spinning like a top I think it would behoove both sides to have that sort of oversight in that public I guess openness Thank you very much Holden Brassel Next we have President Haft Well thank you and I agree with both the older people and all this is doing is removing us from quality assurance over Orange Cross and the fire department will be moving forward a document for us to review at public protection and safety and then that document is going to refer to the committee of the whole so everybody is going to get an opportunity to work with it this all this did tonight was really put to better committee that is no longer applicable And for what you have no jurisdiction Exactly Thank you President Hanna I'll take them in the order I get them Just for the clarification as Vice Chair of the committee as well the Orange Cross oversight committee that we are looking at voting on today as explained already is basically already null and void we are not doing any oversight over Orange Cross at this point in time second of all that previous committee so I think we'll be happy once we this comes through once it goes to the committee of the whole that people see that we actually have a stronger oversight committee than we ever did have with Orange Cross going forward, thank you Next we have Alderman Ryan Thank you Mr. Mayor also being a member of the Public Protection and Safety Committee I can assure the public that the oversight committee of our city ambulance will be more stringent than the former so-called oversight committee the former oversight committee of Orange Cross was hardly an oversight committee and there was a quality assurance was very rarely if you read the minutes of it very rarely ever spoken about in the committee so I can assure everybody that by the time this goes through the process we will have what is known as a true quality assurance oversight committee, thank you Alderman Verhasel second time Thank you John, I guess then my question back to the committee is that they're feeling foreseeing that they may have a committee that will be made up of citizens as well as public employees we will answer that question in a minute any response, President Henner Absolutely I think that's going to be vetted out at the committee hall, I think that's the whole reason to bring it so everybody's going to have a say in what should happen Thank you, next we have Alderman Cleganis Thank you Your Honor, I just I read the minutes of that meeting and I just saw it seemed as if it was being handled by the fire department are they making the recommendations only that the minutes seemed to say that they were going to consider this whole oversight committee and they would come back with their recommendations for it President Henner, clarification? They brought a document to us that we couldn't accept because it didn't come through the proper channels Next we have Alderman Ryan second time Again Mr. Mayor this will be referred to the committee of the whole and that's where it can be discussed in depth that we can come up with a solution that everybody is comfortable with Thank you Any further discussion? There is none we have 468 and the motion has been made to accept and adopt the report of committee and put the resolution upon its passage Please call the roll Mayor, Montemayor, Rinfleisch Ryan, Zurich Vanderweel, Verhaselt Wangeman Boren Bauch Gisha Heidemann Kittelsen 15 ayes, 1 no Motion carries 469 by finance recommended authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget Establishing revenue and appropriations for 80% federal funding to purchase 280A buses on Gisha Thank you Your Honor, I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage There is a motion to second under discussion Your Honor this is a kind of an interesting purchase these are two 80A paratransit buses to be used with the service that we run in conjunction with the county the county is actually operating two buses here in the future these funds were actually appropriated through the normal channels of the capital improvement commission in 2006 that have been sitting in an account didn't quite get to this purchase in 07 it can only be used for the purchase of paratransit buses and not for anything else so the funds are already in a line item account roughly and so citizens are aware 20% is basically what the city has to pony up when we buy capital and items for the non-personnel items for the transit service so this particular proposal is roughly $120,000 I believe it shows $96,000 and our portion of that would just be 20% of that amount and the money is already budgeted, thank you Okay Okay, one more discussion please call the Montemayor Ryan Zurich Thank you Your Honor the substitution resolution is just a change in it and it is in the paragraph we're naming now therefore be resolved the members of the task force we were suggesting that it be represented from Sheboygan County government and not just Sheboygan County board so that's the only change Very good, thank you all of us cleaners Thank you Thank you Your Honor it's interesting sometimes we think these things are kind of symbolic but I'll tell you older person Clayunas now in finance it's been great it brought it to my attention as well we're talking about these paratransit buses just a moment or two ago I never thought about it and I think this is what these things are good to bring it forward she asked can we do flex fuel can we do this and looking at our other options having to do with sustainability and who thinks in finance with that kind of stuff but it really was very enlightening to me and keeps it in the forefront items such as this so I thank her for bringing this forward Okay Vice President Boren Thank you Your Honor I called a meeting of the building use committee for June 3rd I don't know if the agenda has been posted on the website but as we go through the process of remodeling City Hall or possibly reconstruction item number E on older person Clayunas's resolution says practicing and promoting sustainable building practices using the US Green Building Council's lead trademark program so I hope as we proceed with remodeling City Hall that we can use some of these US green building initiatives as we go forward Thank you very much Okay we will call the roll Rin Flesch Ryan Sirich Van Der Wiel for Hasselt Wongerman Boren Clayunas Meijer and Montemayor Sixteen Eyes Motion carries 471 by Public Works Establishing is Sustainable Sheboygan Task Force All in Meijer Thank you Your Honor I ask that the RC be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage There's motion to file 471 and 448 which is the one we hail for now and there was a second and the second under discussion There is none All in favor say aye Any opposed Hold on I apologize I didn't see you All in favor say aye Any opposed Hold on I apologize I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry