 I'm Anthony Johnson here with the new and improved 21 Report with my special guest today, Will Spencer, former attendee of 21 Summit, 21 Convention, came back this year to speak here for his first time at our events. Really excited to have him here at the events, 21 Summit, and now in the show, 21 Report. Will, thanks for being here. Thanks, Anthony. How are you doing? Pretty good, man. Pretty exhausted. Pretty good. You know how it is. Yeah. You know firsthand how it is. I know exactly how it is. So, talk to me about your experience this year at 21 Summit versus last year, just kind of baseline. You came last year as an attendee. I didn't know who the hell you were. Talk to me about all these projects and stuff. I'm a hallway on the cruise of the sky. Then you get, you know, Jack Donovan pumping you up and Tanner Guzzi. I'm like, okay, that's interesting. Come back this year as a speaker. Talk to me about that transition. Man, it was, it felt like lightspeed. And just in terms of my appreciation of the event, I can just start there. So, to come and to be on the surface of things, I guess you might say, and to be sitting in all the sessions and watching the speakers and getting a sense of the overall tone of the event and feeling how professional it was and how organized it was and just how on the level everyone was, whether they be a guest or they're a speaker. Right. Just everyone's just completely straight up. The event is well put together. It's well run. Everything looks great. And it feels like being at a real event because it is a real event, but to appreciate things on that level. And then in a year to go from that to being a speaker, hosting a panel, hosting the 21 report, actually two talks. Yeah. Two talks. And generally doing quite a bit more networking and discussion, being more on the inside. My appreciation of understanding the event has expanded tenfold into just a real appreciation for how much skill and experience and expertise goes into producing this and just how much integrity is behind it on so many different levels. From the speakers getting to spend so much time with them and seeing just how congruent they are to the event and the production team and really getting to see how much goes into producing it to getting to know you and knowing how much passion you put into it and seeing the men who attend as guests and them relating to me as a speaker, seeing just how much they want to learn and how much they want to grow. I mean, my appreciation has expanded tenfold and I'm very, very grateful to be here in the roles, in the roles plural that I am. Yeah. You've really leveled up fast and the roles you have, the responsibilities are really big. I mean, it's unusual someone escalates that fast and needed help though, you're able to fill it. It was actually for you to do this show is the recommendation of a friend and one of our staff here. And I was like, immediately when I heard the idea, I was like, oh, hell yeah, excellent idea. So I'm really glad you did it. Before we get into your talks and even more depth of your experience here at the summit, I'm assuming you've been to other conferences and conventions in your life. Sure. How has this event compared to what you've seen in other industries and conferences and other conventions, whether it was a recent event you've been to really ten years ago? Sure. How does that compare? I think the thing that stands out most to me about this event is that the speakers at this event make themselves so available. So other events that I've been to, for example, I was at a TEDx talk in Sacramento where Tanner Guzzi spoke with Matt Bodro of Acton Academy, another great guy. So I went to that event and it's a TED talk. It's not too terribly different from what you do here. Just one room instead of three and a broader range of topics, but minus some things that I think they should be talking about. But so Tanner Guzzi spoke there. And the feeling that I got from many of the attendees is that the speakers, I mean, is that they would give their talk, they would hang around, and then they'd split. You know what I mean? There wasn't as much networking events. Obviously, there wasn't like an evening session or something like that. But the feeling was that the speakers had a higher birthday cake for the speakers or no birthday cake? I don't recall if there was a birthday cake. No birthday cake. No birthday cake. I don't think so. We had a birthday cake for Jack Donovan. Yeah, exactly. A lot of it. Well, the thing was something actually sounds familiar about a birthday cake. So some may have actually, but it wasn't like a whole big... By the way, that moment, about 200 people singing Happy Birthday to Jack Donovan. Like, how cool is that? That's the sort of thing. And the thing is, is at that dinner, you didn't have all the speakers over behind some velvet rope with security, all hanging out looking cool. They're mixed in with the speakers. You could just walk up, like my buddy, Katie, just walked up to talk to Ian Smith. That's Ian Smith. You know what I mean? That's really him. And so that's the big thing about this, about the 21 convention that I think is so different from any other event is just how much opportunity the guests have, the attendees have to network with the speakers to talk with them, to pick their brains. Hey, hold on. I'm going to take Tanner Guzzi aside to go talk to him about something in my life for 20 minutes over by the pool. You're not going to get that anywhere else. And it's so important that it be here because men want to learn so much about how to be better. And you can watch something on YouTube or you can purchase a course on Gumroad or follow someone on Twitter. But to sit and talk to a man for 20 minutes eye to eye, face to face, and to look into each other's eyes can make a huge difference. And the speakers make that available. You don't ask that of them. Not only do I not, I don't make them and I don't even ask them. It just happens for the most part organically. I do design some of the, you know, it's a meet and greet on purpose. For sure. So that this happens. So I facilitate these things happening but I don't, there's no mandate. I'm not like, you motherfucker, better go talk to that attendee for free for a half hour. Right. It doesn't work like that. Right, exactly. You guys just do it. And that's the best and most beautiful part about it for me. It's not only see it, but it treated it to even happen at all. Yes. It just happens. Like good going girls, right? It just happens. Yeah. Well, we want, I mean, I can now speaking as a speaker, I don't want to, you know, it's like, I've got more to say. Like I have an hour to give my talk and I have other things that I didn't put in that I'd like to share and men have questions. It's like, I want to be here to spread the ideas. I think too, in particular for guys, like you're now building a podcast. So it was, let's say five years from now. It's five times as big. I think it gets increasingly hard to see through the signal and noise to like, what are your fans really thinking about and, you know, the details. Right. And in here, you have a direct line of sight to the, to the viewer. Right. It's not just a viewer. They're like, well, their view is like, I don't know. You know what they're telling you, what they want to hear and like what the questions are. And I think it's hard for speakers to get that when they, you know, they have half a million followers on Twitter or Instagram or something, you know what I mean? And here, like, it's just like, let's have a beer or a coffee. And you get to see, well, like, what's really going on with the real people. You know, you're a real person. The attendee sees that and vice versa. Yeah. Super cool. And I think there's an aspect of the men here, the speakers here aren't crafting an image. They're not trying to project an image that's false. They're men that are trying to be better and have discovered that they can, they can bring forth aspects of their authentic and genuine personality. They want to be better. Better? They want to be better. Are you telling me they're not male supremacists? Is that what you're telling me? You know, I looked for male supremacists around here. I didn't find any. None of them? I heard there was a million. I heard there was a million. Yeah, I know. I mean, you think that in a, in a world full of male supremacists that I would have met one guy at a men's conference saying that, you know, men should be superior over women and they're not, you know, they're inferior. I didn't find any of that. I don't know. Maybe I should look harder next year. You need more propaganda. Shut back and throw it. Yeah, I guess I do. I guess I just don't see great. You should be some in there. Shut back and throw it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know what I think would be really good is I think if just all the messaging was pumped through all the movies and all the TV and all the music and all the media, then maybe I'll get it. What a fucking clown are we living in, man? I know, man. But I mean, you know, that's why this is so great. It's because we can come here and we can talk about these things and we can just laugh about it, Mick. Yeah. Because that doesn't exist here. Not only are we in the free state of Florida where COVID basically doesn't exist. You don't feel it. You don't feel the fear anywhere. A bunch of men get together and they sit down and talk. It's like, look at this madness and we laugh and we have a beer and we're like, but you know what? We're going to change that. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say 21 is like, Florida is kind of, you know, almost anti-clown world, very close. 21 is very anti-clown. Super anti-clown. 100% anti-clown world. Yeah. Yeah. You can say clown world and everyone immediately gets it. It's like, you know, face palm, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. The common values, the shared values and visions here and the goals and the obstacles in life. Mm-hmm. And there's no, there's like, there's no negotiation of values in the sense of like, needing to find out who, not just you, but anyone is, I sit down with someone and it's probably pretty much assumed we're going to be aligned to like 80 to 90% of things. Come on. You know what I mean? And you don't have to have that conversation where it's like you're kind of dancing around the subject matter. How do you feel about the thing? You know what I mean? When you're like, I don't have any feelings about feminism. Yeah, exactly. Here it's like, I fucking hate feminism. Do you hate feminism? I hate feminism too, it's really gay. I was like, wait, you only fain, he only hate feminism, 8 out of 10, I hate it 9 out of 10. Yeah. Let me tell you why you should hate it 9 out of 10. Are you getting the job? Hell no. Yeah, well, that's the thing is one of the things I've noticed in my, in my personal social life now is that when I meet somebody for the first time, you know, I have to do this big long dance to find out like, do I feel comfortable about the jab mandate, the jab and the mandate. And so, because there's two different things. And so it's like, do I even wanna go there because if I find this person's like, yeah, no, I got it. And like how they answer that question is completely different versus like, yeah, no, I probably won't end up talking to anyone who would look me in the eye and say, yeah, I think everyone should get it. Like, thank God I don't think any of us interact with people like that on any regular basis. But the question about that is it's so divisive. And it's like, I don't wanna be in environments anymore where I have to worry about the divisive issue. I wanna go sit with a bunch of like-minded men and talk about these issues and not have to worry that anyone's gonna be like, oh yeah, by the way, I think women are better or something like that. We're all gonna be aligned on the things that fundamentally matter to us. And that's invaluable. Yeah, I don't know how the world's getting by right now with the Cooth stuff. In Florida, I can barely, I can barely stand just seeing that stuff happen far, far away, buried like, almost as a non-existent, you know? And yeah, the whole world is fucking nuts, man. I'm glad people like you were alive, men like you, that are fighting back, you know? The feeling's mutual. Outside the, thank you, outside the boundaries of my, our safe haven, the Florida people, the Swamp people. Yeah, they all come down here to live free away from the influence of, and that's an old thing. I was talking to Socrates today and he was talking about how the Manisphere is a little bit like a frontier town stop on the railroad. And now it's starting to grow and change. And he said, you know, as the boom towns on the railroad would grow, they'd begin inviting in aesthetics. So you have the traveling, traveling theater show. And we don't have a traveling theater show here yet, but like, you have Arthur Kwan Lee coming in, an internationally award-winning artist, a fine artist, you know? Painting self for thousands of dollars, that level. And that's a real sign of, you know, the Manisphere kind of growing up in a very positive way. And I think in, one of the things, why that comes to mind is, one of the things with the frontier towns is that, I just completely lost my train of thought with that. A little comeback to me. It's been a long, it's been. Let's just switch gears a little bit. Yeah, let's switch gears. You let it come back to you a little bit. Oh, the ability to live free of law. Like they're wanting to live in it, wanting to live independent of external influence and how do you, how do you, men just, you know what, let me leave me alone with my farm set of my family and, you know, and my community. And I don't really need the outside influence of the world to come in and tell me what to do. That's a, that's a desire as old as time for men. It's a desire and it reflects also high responsibility, high agency. Yes, good point. And so which is a very masculine thing. Florida's a very masculine place, I realized. I wouldn't have known that growing up, living here, because it's just what you like, a fish and water. But, you know, the long, the coof basically has revealed that, I think, in getting a savage government like the Santas. That's not an accident. You really, I mean, why didn't that happen in New York? You know what I mean? Or some shit like that. There's a reason they didn't have enough there. Down here, it's not just the people, it's the geography, I think, that attracts it. Yes. It's a dangerous placement. Lightning, sharks, alligators, snakes, spiders, hurricanes. Yeah, humidity. Humidity. You can die from it. Dude, growing up, there was a guy, we couldn't do two-a-day football practice for a while for 10, 15 years in Lee County. Cause some kid died during practice, like from heat stroke or something. Cause it was two-a-days and two-a-day of football practices where you practice football when you're like 16 years old for like five hours at a time. In the middle of the fucking summer in Florida. Like it's really, really, really hot. It sounds pretty crazy. Yeah, it's, exactly. We're crazy people, you know? We love it. We walk along, you know? Pretty well. But it's a lot of shit that can kill you basically. Yeah. It's a dangerous place. And it's not like the other places, you know? Well, the meme is Florida man, right? The meme is not Florida woman. Well, there are definitely Florida women. I mean, that's becoming a thing. Oh, I don't know how to feel about that. Yeah, there's a lot of, I mean, it's, we got a lot of crazy, we got plenty of crazy women down here. We got the beach girls, we got the single mom, you know, ladies, and Orlando in particular has a ton of single moms. Like on the peripheries, because economically it's cheaper. Anyway, we're gonna get a Florida woman. There's Florida women, if it's not a thing, it's becoming a thing. Sure. Yeah. Let's shift gears away from the Florida people. Okay. Enough about the Florida people, my people. Talk to me about your speeches at the events. Sure. You spoke at 21 convention for men. You spoke at 22 convention for women. Let's start chronologically. You spoke first. You actually helped me open the event along with Socrates, 22. Yeah. You were selected for that handpicked by. Thank you. You were truly. Thank you very much. I thought you did really, really well. Thank you. I saw, I heard about it and I saw some of it and I can tell right away it was like, gonna be very, very smooth. Someone described you to me, specifically from that speech as like iceberg. And yeah, like a little, you know, like you see this guy and then like, but beneath it is, you know, the tip and there's like this big deep ocean of like, idea like Socrates, right? The knowledge and the ideas and like the calmness you have. And the woman really liked that. They love calmness. Woman like little bunny rabbits. So they get scared. Yeah. And you're like big rock. Talking about 22 convention though. Sure. Yeah. Thank you so much for inviting me to speak and I had a great time and I knew going into it, the subject that I was going to talk about would be good for the opening because it would sort of help set the stage. What was the title? It was called men or not? Harry versions of women. So I knew that it would kind of help set the stage for what some of the men at 22 would be talking about and the overall framing of the convention, 21 summit and sort of one of the things that are going on. And as I was preparing for the talk, I found myself getting pretty fired up about some of the content. And then I realized, well, how is this going to play from the stage if I'm getting like animated or the tone of my voice is getting louder and tenser, you know, projecting some amount of aggression? Let's put it that way. You know, for women, women can be very threatened by men's aggression for understandable reasons because men are physically powerful beings. Bunny rabbits. Bunny rabbits. Yeah, absolutely. They have their own skills, but a tall man standing up on stage, speaking aggressively, I could speak as much truth, but it might not come off the right way. You probably heard like me, Coach Greg Adams after you. He had a woman walk out the next day. Oh, sure, yeah. Did you hear about that? I didn't hear about that. Yeah, she came back, but she walked out, man. Yeah, it makes sense. I don't know if it wasn't there, but I was referred, this was conveyed to me by the volunteers and the attendees. Coach Greg wasn't yelling or nothing, but he got firm. You know, the masculine film. Sure, yeah. Wrong. Or something like that. Yeah, yeah. For the video. Yeah. And she's like, Yeah, yeah. It's very challenging. Well, I wanted, with the subject of my talk, I wanted women to really hear what I was saying. So I wanted to invite them into a way of seeing. And so the title of my talk, men aren't hairy versions of women, was to get women in the audience to consider the possibility, which is novel for some of them, that men's minds and hearts, and to say spirits, don't work like women's. Our values are different. Our wiring is different. The things that we're looking for and want and desire are different. And so to help introduce that concept, I went through several of the classic books in the Manisphere. So King Warrior, Magician Lover, Fire in the Dark by Jack Donovan, Ryan Mickler Sovereignty, which has Protect, Provide, Preside, Tanner Guzzi's Appearance of Power, and Allison Armstrong, who she's not in the Manisphere. She's been teaching out men for a very long time in her book, Keys of the Kingdom. So I went through King Warrior, Magician Lover, Skyfather, Striker, and Lord of the Earth, Rugged, Rekish, Refined, Protect, Provide, Preside, Page Knight, Prince King Elder. All these different stages of men's lives, these are all these archetypes that live within us. And do the women know any of these? No, they'd never heard of any of them. They'd never heard of King Warrior, Magician Lover, one of the foundational and oldest books in the entire men's movement. And so to show them these are the men in all your lives. And what if you could bring these things out of them? What if you could bring these energies out of them? What if they're, I guess, latent in all of us? I said, well, what if there's a way that you women are responsible for men not showing that to you? If we don't bring it up, we come to a convention like this and we learn how to bring those aspects of ourself forward. What if there's things that women can do to help bring that out of their men? And that involves not, the line is from Alison Armstrong's book, The Queen's Code, which I hugely recommend. Before women can learn how to bring the best out of their men, the women reading have to take a vow. And the vow is, I give up the right to castrate men forever. Meaning you will never bring the best out of your man if you're dedicated to castrating or shaming him. You just won't see it. You'll never see it. And so I wanted to show women the possibility like, hey, if you're not getting the treatment for men in your life that you want, or in your community, in your workplace, in your world, maybe it's not just that men need to be better. Maybe it's because you're treating men like crap and no one's ever told you otherwise. And so that's, I wanted to raise that possibility to them. And so a lot of women like Coach Greg, and I'm sorry, a lot of, a lot of Coach Greg is not a woman. A lot of women in talks like Coach Greg's is what I meant to say. And Socrates could be very combative. After my talk, there was just kind of silence. So I guess that was the iceberg thing. Cause I went in exactly. So I was really proud of that. It had the effect that I wanted. Yeah. Usually Socrates is like that. Yeah. He took a different approach. He does that sometimes. He did that in Poland, or Poland, do I know what you mentioned? Sure. So I was surprised. I was like, oh, whatever. Zach's gonna do what he's gonna do, you know? Yeah. He did that here again. I was like, oh, that's surprising. Well, whatever. But then you, but I did want someone to do what you did though, which is like, cause my marketing for it, I'm really abrasive online. It's different in person usually, but not always. It depends more. Usually. And I'm talking to the women, I tone it, I'm much more mellow with it, with the man I amped way up. Sure. Cause I think like, the same thing, right? Yeah. But yeah, Socrates is, you know, much more abrasive and then you were like smooth, we'll know that it helps warm them up to the event. Yeah. And I'm really glad you did that. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. So let's talk about your, I'm going to talk to the men. Yes. How'd that go? What was the subject? I saw some of the two, probably a lot of that, probably 15 minutes of that one. Cool. That's a lot for me, unfortunately. Yeah. No, you've got so many different places to be. By the way, just on that, before I talk about the presentation, one of the things that, you know, that my friends observed is that, just how calm you are walking around the event. Like, despite everything that you have going on, I never see you flustered and never see you running. You know what I mean? It's always just very even. Despite the fact, I know there's this enormous weight on your shoulders. Like, you really like set the tone with your, with your chill and even demeanor. And I wanted to acknowledge that. Thank you. There's a lot of reasons I do that. And some of it's for me and some of it's for other people, of course. And even so, it helps set the tone, right? But also for me, physically staying calm keeps me mentally calm in the middle of a fucking hurricane of shit. For sure, yeah. And if you don't do it, that's how you lose your ass. And if you do do it, that gets a lot easier. Yeah, panic. I mean, it's still hard, but... Panic makes things worse, right? Yeah, I gotta be calm. Bobby Dino, this, maybe you know him on Twitter, hey, school, he said, he was a patriarch event a couple of years ago. The first one he's like, he's like, I think he's cool as a cucumber. And that's, I never heard that before. That's kind of funny. Yeah, cool as a cucumber. Yeah, yeah, you're welcome. So just to go to my talk, the title of that talk was Waking Up on the Battlefield. And I covered some of the same subjects that I covered in the talk for women, but for men with a different slant. And the purpose of that talk was to show men the power that women have to shame men. Men have physical power in their bodies, you know, driven by more testosterone, muscles, et cetera. But women have the moral power to shame. And we see, and I wanted to show that to men and show how powerful that is, where that comes from and where it shows up in our society. You're saying this is fundamental too? It's not just current. No, it's for all of time. But that's what we might call, it's from the book, the phrase is from the book Revolt of the Primitive by, I think his name is, is it Harold Schwartz or Howard? I think it's Harold Schwartz. And this book was written in 2001 and he was examining like, where does sort of feminism get its power from? How does it work? And he came up with the term the sexual holy war. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that was a really powerful concept to illustrate just how fundamental the conflict between the sexes has become, driven by feminism in all the ways that it shows up. And I'm remembering your speech now because I do watch a lot of it. Oh yeah, I'm not dead. I'm alive, still in my brain. You called it the, basically I think you refer to a lot of this as primordial. Primordial super. And you really, yeah, I love that. I was like, damn, that's a good sense. Like some Ninja Turtle ooze shit. Primordial ooze, but you're right. You're 100% right. That's why it has such power over society. You talk about how much feminism influences the lives of men and women in culture nowadays because it's primordial and it's power. It's like a religion. It is like a religion. And where does the religion come from? Where does the quote unquote religion come from? This book Revolta, The Primitive, goes as deep as you can go into the religion of it without actually crashing into the spirituals. Like this is how it lives on this fundamental primordial level within our psychologies. And it's this emergence of this archetype into culture that's sort of conducting this holy war against his opposites, which I won't spoil the results of the talk, but to sort of show that it's this feminine power which is from the book The Hand That Rocks the World by this author, David Shackleton. I think I've heard it. Yeah, you have his book, I think it's Daughters of Feminism. Oh, and Janice. Yeah, so he wrote that. Yeah, Janice's friend and colleague. Wrote the intro or something to him or something like that. Yeah, exactly. And so he wrote a book, another great book called The Hand That Rocks the World. And he talks about how men have the power of physical strength and women have the power to shame. So these are the two weapons, I guess you might say that we're handing out if you could frame it. I really appreciate it too in your talk. You're not throwing out the window, but you are critical in useful ways of similar terms to sexual holy war, like gyno-centric social order, gyno-centricism, like a polylum thing with that one. And I like polylum. I think that's the usual term. But you took it even deeper when you showed what ease weren't substantial and I thought, I understood you right. And I was like, this is really good. Yes, it's so much deeper than that. That's why gender war and all this kind of deeper. Yeah, battle of the sex is kind of superficial. It's kind of cute. It's used that way. Yeah, exactly. And the gyno-centric social order, yeah, that's real, but that's a symptom, not the cause. And so the sexual holy war is the cause. And so the sexual holy war is being conducted primarily through the weapons of shame, women's shaming of men. And I wanted to show how broad that is in society and how it shows up in the media, in our language, in the way that our cultural conversation is conducted in current events. Just show how it's everywhere. It's the water that we're swimming in this fish. And as soon as you see it, you see it everywhere. And until you see it, I don't mean you but anyone listening, until you see it, it's hard to understand why the sexual holy war has such power and potency and why men can be shut down instantly. And once you see how pervasive it is, recognize that we're, to some extent, we are in that holy war. He used me as an example, too, with the feminist trying to shut me down. And you were very detailed with it. And I was like, okay, you're one of the few guys, I think, has an even bigger, higher-altitude view on not only the monastery, but these specific issues, which are very difficult to wrap your head around. Yeah, for sure. And in an effective and useful way. Everyone else gets either as an expertise, which is fine, and we need that, you know? Or they get lost in the weeds and stuff, and AWALT and whatever, all those little tiny terms. Yeah, differences of dogma. Yeah, this is a big thing going on, and I'm trying to do my best to fight in the right direction and make America a better, healthier place. And really the world. I mean, America allows this freedom of the individual to crystallize the ideas into individual sovereignty, which is a really exciting development that we've had lately. You know, you get guys like Ryan Mikler and Elliot Hulse that are moving out to the country and setting up homes and home-based businesses and farms and families, and it's sort of this return to these, to say traditional values isn't quite right because it's actually deeper than traditional, right? Going back to that, and that's a direct outgrowth of the men's movement as a whole. You know, this return to sovereignty and that's uniquely possible here in America. So, you know, America's where it crystallizes, but I have no doubt that 21 is having a global impact. Oh yeah. Yeah, we had a lot of attendees, bummed out they couldn't come out to Syria for sure. We had one guy coming from Britain and he had to have a huge trip. I talked to him. Yeah, James. Start of mine. Yeah, you brought a lot of dude to him, man. That was awesome. Yeah, that was one of the, you started out asking how this was different from my experience this year, from last year, is that? About your homies. I brought my homies, 10 of them. 10, 11 guys. Yeah, actually, and one guy showed up just for the evening, so he's working during the day. Another guy from the school drove up from, I think he drove up for a few hours away. Yeah, so I had 12 guys here. And the British guy too. He spent two weeks in Mexico just to come to 21. Yeah. Like, holy shit, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of effort. He spent between the event, two weeks of that, and then traveled. Guy spent almost a month, three weeks anyway, and moving around for this event. And I appreciate that. Yeah, I think they didn't come just for me. They came for each other. They came for the speakers. They came to meet guys like Jack and Tanner, and meet guys like you and Alexander Cortez. So, you know. They came for the big picture. Yeah, they came for a bunch of reasons. Like, one, of course, they came because I was speaking and they wanted to support. But they came for each other because they wanted this unique opportunity to meet each other, because Brotherhood is great online. You can get super close, but you can tell you meet a man in person and you immediately see it look him in the eye. What a great excuse to meet up to, right? Exactly. Socrates has been saying that for years. The events is an excuse to meet. Yeah. It's so cool, too. Absolutely. And to participate. And then, of course, you get to meet the speakers as well, because you don't have the velvet rope thing. People are very accessible. Like, yeah, we can sit out on Saturday night. I think there were 30 guys sitting out by the pool. There's a whole bunch of speakers. There's a whole bunch of attendees. Sorry, and there's Jennifer Belisky and Dale, and there's Ian Smith, and there's Tanner and Jack, and Alexander Cortez, and you came out. And Arthur Quan Lee. And we're all just sitting around and talking. And there's no sense of anything but the moment. There's no feeling like, oh, this guy's a really big deal. And it's all real. Yeah, it's all super real. It's all like, these are real people doing real shit. It's not like some paparazzi bullshit. Oh, I'm going to go in five minutes and get in the camera and get the fuck out of here. No one's got sunglasses on. You know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. And you get that in some events, right? And it's on here. I loved you guys too, man. Really, they were the real dudes. I know you're saying they didn't come. They're not like foul, fearless leader or well-spenser. They wanted to meet you, and they wanted to meet each other. That's real, man, that's legit. Yeah, for sure. Not some clicky bullshit. They were very integrated too with all the attendees. They didn't like hive off. Were renaissance men? Fuck you, non-renaissance. Like fuck that shit. No, I wouldn't be able to stand it if that were the case. That's dumb. Yeah, that's dumb. That ain't even the leaders within the event. Thank you. I appreciate hearing that. I'm really opposed to this notion of the cult of personality. Yeah, I hate it. Exactly, it's about the ideas. We share the ideas of the ideas, make a measurable difference in your life. Fantastic. Fantastic, go and live and be free and spread the ideas to other people and make other people's lives better. And we do this all together, as opposed to it's about me, me, me, like I would live with myself if I was like that. I hate that so much. Anybody who wants to follow me blindly, I'm like, leave me the fuck and get away from me. Fuck off. A lot of dude, I find too, like Elliot has that too. Anybody who wants to follow him blindly, it pisses him off. And I get it too, I hate that. It's weird to meet people who don't hate that. They like it, they feed off it, like vampires and shit. Man-o-vampires, man-o-vamps. Man-o-pires are making up. Man-pires, man-pires. Yeah, yes, retarded. Why did I just say that? How do you feel about the, you weren't speaking at the patriarch event, you had to witness some of that. What are your opinions on that going on for the third time? So good, it's so important because I've given a lot of thought to the different stages of a man's life cycle. So you have men, young men, who's like say under 25. And once a, you know teenagers are 25. And that's a stage of life when men are interested in one set of things. But then when you come 25 to 35 to 40 and you start getting interested in certain other things. And then you become a father. And then you're interested in other things in all these different stages of a man's lifestyle. And the patriarch's event is so important because ultimately I think men, what they truly want is to be fathers and to pass on a legacy. Is to fall in love, get married, to a woman who loves them and supports them, pursue their mission, have kids, and continue leading a high integrity life in fatherhood. Because the meme and culture is that there's a couple of differences. The ridiculous dad meme, like the Homer Simpson, right, there's that. But there's also, I grew up, I don't know where I got this idea. I grew up with this notion that fatherhood meant death. That's like everything that I possibly wanted for myself as a man was going to die when I became a father. Wow. Right, and so I really believe that. And that's why in San Francisco, you have this Peter Pan syndrome because all the men there believe the same. It's like, well, and women too. It's like, why would I give up this rock and roll lifestyle, so to speak. You know, with like restaurants and nightclubs and social life, you know, to have kids. It's the death of- Pumpkin spice lattes. Yeah, exactly. It's the death of everything that I want. And the thing is that's actually a lie because it's actually the birth of so many other more beautiful and meaningful things. They're way, way, way more important. They're way more important, yeah, than your material hedonistic consumptions. The pumpkin spice lattes. Exactly, exactly. Or the latest flat. For some reason women are obsessed with pumpkin spice lattes. It's like it's its own meme now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for years now, yeah. So, you know, I think men need positive content that reinforces the value of fathers, that teaches fathers how to be better fathers and teaches fathers specifically how to be better men because fathers have different demands on them than young men do. As soon as you become a father, you have kids and every decision that you make affects your kids and your wife, you know? And then also it's a tragedy but I'm really glad that you're doing it. You're having male speakers come like Carnell Smith talking about, you know, some of the dangers of paternity, you know? It's like, we don't wanna talk about these things. We wish this wasn't the case. Jeff Younger is another great example, you know? You know, Eric Carroll, these guys is like, look, we don't wanna be having these conversations but we gotta and it's so important because that speaks to like the men's rights movement overall speaks to so many men who just got run over by women and run over by the system and you know, gotta make sure that their legitimate grievances are heard and ask really deep questions like what are we gonna do about this? And that makes it real. That makes it real more. The barbell is real, you know what I mean? That's cool but like when you get, when you find out that you've been the victim of paternity fraud or when those were... For 11 years in this case. Exactly. Or when you find out that all the institutes, all the institutions of law and medicine are weaponized against your, you know, your, what, nine year old son against you. Like, that's... They're trying to chop Jeff Younger's son's balls off. And literally. Yeah, and his wife has been trying for six years. A medical doctor. Pediatrician in Texas. I didn't even know that. Isn't it crazy? It's Texas of all places for Jeff Younger? Yeah, of course. Ah, bless Texas. See how, motherfucker. Yeah. Well, when he, in his talk, well, I didn't get to hear his talk because I was preparing for my own, but I got to interview him. Dude, I heard it through the wall. It was that loud. Oh, really? Yeah, it was super intense. Good. Not screaming, just like super, super. Michael Foster loved it. Ken Curry loved it. I heard all about this. Yeah. And I heard a lot of it just working on my, on the events through the wall and stuff in our command center. See, it was super intense. I think it was the most intense speech at the whole summit. That's what people have said. Yeah, I mean, I was sitting across from where you are when I was interviewing him. And, you know, he's this really nice, friendly, pleasant, personable guy. But then when he like turns on, he locks on. And like, we weren't just talking, excuse me, we're just talking at this volume, but the intensity went through the roof. And the scale, the grasp of the scale of the corruption that he mirrored. Like, yeah, it's an unmitigated tragedy, what they're trying to do to his son. But what he's learned in the process about the American system of government, about money and power and influence and law, I mean, that was the real shock because he's seen the thing. And so, actually he will be intense. And I think that's so important to bring to a place like this. Yeah, I got like that too. And he's like, you're saying he's seen it all close and personal in his own life. It's not just the podcast for him. It's not just the book. It's like, that's him in the, not only in the middle of it, you know? Yeah. Not just like it happened to him recently or a while ago. It's happening right now. It's like for years and years and years. It's torture. Yeah. Yeah, it's his son. Yeah. And he said, his son's life, what's being done to his son and him is infuriating, absolutely infuriating. And he would have every right to go full incredible Hulk and smash, right? But he said, my son's life depends on me staying calm. And we forget about that son, by the way, as a twin brother. Was he? That James, save James. James as a twin. Oh, wow. He's so, everyone's, I was just thinking about that now, but that little boy's getting traumatized, too, just witnessing this, something that's personal. I mean, this all this, this chaos, this conflict, this fighting for insane nonsense from the pediatrician mom. I wonder what's gonna happen to that kid, too. He's got two kids to worry about. Because the James gets so much attention because that's, he's the target of the ball chopping off. But the other one's gonna be witnessing that, too. And witnessing that is traumatic, I'm sure, no doubt. If the whole situation- You have siblings, right? Yeah, I have a younger sister. Yeah, I have siblings, too, man. I can't imagine if my mom was trying to chop my brother's, but I have a brother and chop his balls off. It's insane. Crazy. And the whole thing is, even if the situation were to end right now, as if by magic, and everything was to go back to normal, that young child would still be traumatized on levels that would take years of work to process. And so that's why, as we were talking about this, I was just thinking about the nature of my talk, waking up on the battlefield about shame. The reason why men don't show up on the battlefield to fight these cultural battles is primarily shame, is that as the weapons of shame are wielded so effectively against men, they're afraid to show up on the battlefield because shame has a really strong power over all of humans. It's not just men, but over all humans, and men can be really shut down by shame. And so I needed to show that and show men at the end of my talk, here's how you can begin to overcome it as brothers, not alone, you have to do it as brothers, because that's how we show up on the battlefield, because the battlefield is cultural and the weapon is shame. And so if a woman can scream mansplaining or toxic masculinity, all these terms at you, it's like, oh, I don't know how to respond to that, the shame shuts down. You gotta see those for what it is and dust it off and keep going, and then there's nothing there. There's no jack-booted thugs in the streets. There's no hard power. It's all very effectively wielded soft power. So I wanted to surface that. It's mind control. It's mind control. It is very literally mind and heart control too, yeah. So I wanted to show that to the men so they understood this is what we're up against. It is a holy war. It is that primordial. And it's important that you begin showing up. And so I was very honored to give that talk here to the men because I think they got it. Fuck yeah, yeah. I'm excited to have you back. You are being invited back next year as you might have guessed. I had a feeling, but you know, it's never sure. No, no, no. The fat lady's son, you know. Yeah, exactly. I was like, okay, one solid year. Knocked it out of the park. There's one use of fat woman. It's singing. Right? I was, see, I wonder, you know that Adele recently lost a lot of weight too? You see that Adele, the singer Adele? Oh yeah, that's all the news. Yeah, she was, yeah, she's one of the most popular singers I'd say in the past 10 years. All these classic, you know, big hits. You've heard her songs. And so she was overweight for a while. And now she's got real. She used to not be fat and she got fat. Now she's not fat. I don't know if she ever was not fat. Okay. But I mean, obviously at some point. Right, she was literally, right. What a pig. Well, it was never, yeah, but I mean, she could sing so well. It's like, okay. But the thing was then she lost a bunch of weight and people got mad at her. Wow. There was a bit, I saw a screenshot of a headline of an article going around, it's like, you know, I'm really sad that Adele lost weight. And the subheader said it was like, obviously it's about Adele, but it's also not. It's like, why? Like I thought it was my body, my choice. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, is it not her body, her choice? Is it, it's insane. Even for losing weight and getting healthy, they can't leave it alone. These people are crazy. That's right. Yeah, I mean, they have to stat like someone, a creator, a true artist who people genuinely love, they can't even say, hey, congratulations on doing something that is objectively difficult. They have to make it about themselves. It's like, it's not about you. Her body is not about you. Yep, bingo, bingo. Apparently it is though. It's, you know. I just want to take all those people and deport them to Canada. Right. Like all of them. We'll take all the good Canadians and then we'll deport all these like, SJWs and feminists and all this crap. Patriarchy hereby are gonna, you know, Sean T. Smith said he announced, he's the spokesperson of the Patriarchy. I love that. That's so hysterical. He's gotten more and more basic. He must be getting, I think he's just getting angry as the culture gets crazier. I think so. You should be getting angry. I think so, I think so. And he's learning to speak up in a way. It's like, well I can do this. Yeah, yeah. The T now stands for toxic and testosterone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe, people say I'm a walking meme. Maybe I hope I inspire you guys with what I do. For sure, yeah. I mean like you. Push an envelope. Yeah, you conduct the, you conduct the battle in a way that's very you. And that's what we all have to do. Like you show up differently the way Jack Donovan versus Tana versus, and that's the thing. That was one of the points of my, that was step one for how we changed the world of the brothers is, show up. You have to show up on the battlefield. You have to care about the way that you look. You have to care about what happens under your skin in terms of your health and your physical fitness. And you have to care about what goes over your skin in terms of your style. That's how you show up on the battlefield. That's how you project that I'm not ashamed and I won't be shamed. And you're very good at that. You know, you go hard. Yeah. This is why I talked about your appearance on Good Morning Britain is that, you know, here you are in this talk show and they can see you and you can't see them, right? You're looking at a camera like that. And like, here's a woman, you know, in Pierce Morgan, sitting there, like in this international media apparatus, you know, satellites and high def cameras and advertising and lower thirds and the whole thing, all this money designed to shame you. That's what that whole moment is about. And you're like, yeah, no, fake news, whatever. Completely wrong. Fake news, disagree. What else is it? Excuse me, I'm mansplaining here. When I get tired, I get like extra basis. I'm just like, I was getting mad basically. All right, I'm gonna run these people over. Yeah. But you got some of that. Jordan Peterson got some of that with Kathy Newman. You know, it's like it happens. He's really good at that stuff. He's really good at that. Yeah. So I think he, I think you decided that he'd had enough of it. Yeah. Yeah. That's what happens. I can't blame the guy. Yeah, you just, you're like, all right, I'm done. Yeah, exactly. Gloves are coming off. Yeah, exactly. Who's gonna die? Yeah, exactly. You know, that's why it's really important to show up on the battlefield. Yeah, ready to fight. Yeah, exactly. Hopefully peacefully. Well, with dignity. Yeah. And that's the thing that Jeff Younger models so well is that, you know, Socrates and I were talking about this first 21 report talk. It's like, there's such a tendency, and it's come up, I think it came up in Alexander Cortez's talk as well. There's such a tendency to wanna be like, okay, to jump immediately to violence. You know what I mean? There's a lot of that talk in the air right now. Yeah. And it's really a shame because I think that the better way to fight is to fight with dignity. It's to show up and like Jeff Younger and to say, no, I will not be intimidated. No, I will not be shamed. I talk about this a lot in my speech. Okay. In my speech, yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, I missed that. I was a bit... Yeah, you're gonna love it because it's very much like dignity. I'm gonna push every button I can to make your life miserable, is what I did the moment I did it. With these people targeting the hemisphere, the feds, all that security, all that garbage. It's like, no, we're gonna fight back immediately, offense, legal, all these buttons I'm gonna push, all these people, we're gonna, we'll make your life hell. Fuck around and find, the actual, the slide was titled, fuck around and find out. As you know, I like people that fuck with me. I like to fuck with them back a lot, indefinitely. Yeah, you show up as you. Yeah, I like being mean. Yeah, I think you're the same way that's why these conversations, like our podcast, the one for like three and a half hours recently, it's like, I was really good conversation. Yeah, well, that's what I think ultimately, like if you put Jack Donovan or Tanner, pick any of the speakers here, but those Jack, Tanner and Alexander in particular really show up in a particular way. If you put them at a table next to, just say your average attendee, you know what I mean? You'll see this difference in quality where Jack and Alexander specifically, but now Tanner more so too, they look a little bit like, if you didn't know who you were looking at, it's like, is that person famous? That person looks like he's probably famous. Like a lot of people will look at these, Jack Donovan says a lot of people will look at him in public and Alexander too. They'll do double takes, not because they probably recognize him, but like that person looks like someone I should know, they look famous. And what accounts for that is the men have discovered who they are and they're bringing it forward in authenticity and refinement. So they discover who they are, they create who they are, they refine it and they become themselves. And that is all possible through this work in the Manisphere and through 21 and through what we're all doing in the Renaissance and everything. So thank you for facilitating that because this is what makes that possible. Because if guys are just having private conversations and in convention centers, where the doors close and there's no cameras, like this appears forever. But when you turn the cameras on in HD 4K with audio and lights and everything, it lives forever and it changes lives. So how high of the quality it is, the longer it's gonna last. The more mileage you get out of it basically. That's right, and the more you can do with it and it resonates with people, they see it and they say, you care. I appreciate too that you get the technical quality. Like, tech doesn't even fill in their events in 4K. Yeah, I'm an admin though in 4K, 4K, 4K. Last year we had 6K a little bit and I wanna get 8K as soon as we can. Yeah, yeah, this is why not. Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, with 8K you can do a lot with punching in. No one will probably ever have an 8K TV. I'm gonna get one like a couple weeks from now. Wait, they have them already? Yeah, they're a best buy. Okay, so they're not even that much money. I take back what I said. Yeah, yeah, they're really new though. I mean, that's the same. How can you not, can you even see an 8K? Yeah, on a screen. I know you mean like how much your eyes can see. No, there's very little 8K content though. Of course, of course. YouTube is actually one of the few platforms that has 8K resolution content. I've seen that but. The bed rate's pretty low though. Yeah, I couldn't even see it. Allegedly, the new consoles, gaming consoles, will support with updates 8K in the future. Probably like the low frame rates, we'll see. But it's longevity, because 20 years from now 8K with a standard or higher or higher. That's true, that's true. And we have speeches being watched now from Socrates that are 10 years old or even older. You know what I mean? I want young men watching the speeches in the future who are not even born yet. I want dudes 20 years from now that are being born like tomorrow to watch your talk and learn from it. I would love that too. That's where my head's at. You know what I would like? I would like for everything, and I would like for everything we talk about here to be irrelevant because that's the world we're living in too. Oh, you mean you want to win? I want to win. Yeah, I want to win too. That's hard. Yeah, I know. I like what you said to you about the violence and stuff like I'm very much for peaceful protesting. Yeah, of course. I'm not a pussy though. And if I have to fight and defend my life in my country, I'll do that too. Sure. But the founding fathers, and when that went down a couple hundred years ago, they were very thoughtful about this and they really pushed every button they could to avoid that. And all the way up to the end, they really tried that to avoid that. That in working in though and they had to do what they had to do. For sure. But yeah, it's definitely the responsible thing to do. The moral thing to do. But I think we can, oh sorry, go ahead. Oh yeah, I'm just saying. I think we can win on the cultural battlefield first. I don't think it's gonna be all that hard in the sense of like, yes, it's going to be difficult. Yes, it's gonna be a challenge. Yes, it's gonna be something that forces all of us as men to evolve. But I think we can show up on the cultural battlefield in terms of how we present ourselves, in terms of what we talk about, in terms of ideas, in terms of reforming our lives. Like that's why again, why it's so important that the speakers are accessible here is because you get to find out whether or not they're congruent. Elliot Hall Springs Colleen and you get to his wife Colleen and you get to see who's lovely by the way and you get to see in their interaction, how congruent are they? And you see they're totally congruent, right? Other speakers have done the same. Tanner brought his wife Bracaeli and you can see the congruency. And so by leading a congruent life inside and out and by showing up and being seen in the world and being accessible, you begin to shift the culture because people can see like, oh wait, this idea of husband and wife, men and women are different. It's not the destructive thing that I've been told it is that it's actually beautiful and it touches something in my heart in a way that all the propaganda on TV doesn't and that begins to shift things so powerfully. And so we can win the cultural battle by being congruent men and leading congruent lives which we should be doing anyway, right? So it's like, that's a good end of itself. And so I think that gives us an immense power because you can highlight men, especially men, especially in this space, men who aren't congruent and they're just gone. Yeah, I love removing them like cancer, like tumors. My scalpels are memes. I think they'll ultimately just fall away on their own because we have an event going now that introduces notions of religion and morality of Pastor Michael Foster and Jeff Younger of course is Orthodox and Tanner is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ, Mormon. And you have Jesse Lee Peterson and you have Arthur Kwan Lee with aesthetics and you can't have a religious mindset, a religious spiritual mindset without being congruent because like God sees, you know what I mean? Or your art will suffer, congruency breeds success. And I think that as more men begin to coagulate, congeal around men of high integrity, high caliber, the other men will just fall away and be shown for what they are, be darker and darker and we'll just be able to move on. They say the Lord works in mysterious ways, right? Maybe he works through memes, like the Sharp Mama. For sure the Lord works through memes. Yeah, exactly. But I think it's completely reasonable that it happens organically, naturally and at times more intentionally and actively. That to me makes a lot, it's like two sides of the same coin. And I think both, like me and Tanner years ago I used to argue about being anti-feminism or for positive masculinity. And Tanner was much more positive masculinity. Yes. This is way back, it was like five years ago now he was less comfortable than he is now with being openly anti-feminist. And it took me a few months thinking about this little segment of the video because we were on a panel together, a Q&A panel under 21. And I realized eventually I was like, no, these are, this is the same coin. We need both of them. Like they're both valuable, the negative side being making fun of feminists, little feminist piggies, blah, blah, blah. And then being very much pro masculinity, positive masculinity, teaching positive elements, constructive, the destruction and construction of what we need. And I covered some of that, not to keep coming back to it, but I covered some of that in my talk as well because I had quotes from two, I don't wanna spoil who they're from in case anyone watches the video. So they'll, because it's important that they find out who they're from. Give me your money now at 21university.com. Give me your credit card details. I recommend doing that to watch my talk waking up on the battlefield. Early and ad-free. Exactly. And men are not hairy versions of women. So in those talks, I gave two quotes by feminist authors and I won't say who they are but the quotes are, they're pretty bad. They're pretty bad. And when you look at them, any reasonable, rational person would look at those and be like, that's pretty bad. That's what they actually believe. Oh, with feminists. Yeah. They say all kinds of stuff. They say all kinds of stuff. And so the thing is, it's not really, I found myself wondering if it was necessary to really like go hard at feminists or really just like, you know, just like, just kind of like, no, this is what they believe. Yeah, those female, those feminist professors that advocated for gender side openly. Yeah, for sure. For their genocide. Yeah, why can't we hate men as an article that Sean T. Smith talked about, yeah. The founder of Gender Studies in America advocated in his speech once, reducing men to 13% of the population. This is a fact. This is, this is genocide or gender side would be the technical term. That also sounds a lot like the 13% of the fittest, you know, is that they were gonna turn the, you know, the alpha seed. Yeah. Oh, for sure, for sure. Is that what it was about? No, it wasn't about that, but it really aligns up with that. Yeah, it really does. Yeah. I think breeding men, right? I've seen other girls, they, it's amazing how fat, it's amazing how fast women will, let's say, humorously, jokingly, right? Right in the thin line, joke about like, genociding beta males. Like, there's something there that we should talk about in the podcast sometimes. Okay. There's more I can show you. Sure. I mean it, but the feminists do this, they get away with it, right? Oh, it's genocidal, the men, oh, whatever, no one. It's horrific. But men are male supremacists. These people are nuts. That's horrific. Oh, it's sick, it's beyond sick, yeah. Yeah, those are my brothers. Yeah. Those are our brothers. It's like killing 60 million babies and calling it abortion. That's, that's someone's, biological brother. That's someone's potential husband. That's someone's potential provider. That's someone, that's a man who has love in his heart and care and wants to give it to a woman. And you know, I was talking about, talking to Jack Donovan about alpha and beta and how those terms are so charged. And I think, you know, there's a lot of that. And it's not wrong in terms of understanding the different dynamics that men have between each other. But not all men are meant to be great leaders. Some men just want to belong to something. In the framework, they'd be considered a beta, but it's like, some men are just happy to be like, look, I just want to be part of something. I don't want to lead a thing. Jack, I think put our newsletter on this stuff. I think it was really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so like, so those beta or those belonging males, like to be genocided, like those are men that just want to belong to something and are looking for something to believe in. And they're somehow less than human. Yeah, that's crazy. That's horrible. That's horrible. That's anti-human. That's what I mean. That's an example of the shaming that shows up in culture. It's like, oh, you're lesser than, so I as a woman writer have the right to shame you. It's like, you don't have that right. In my speech, I said they worship death. They don't literally get on their knees and like pray, but they worship basically like the empire of nothing that Jack talks about. I ran at something similar. I ran the philosopher. She called it the philosophy of nothing, or excuse me, the philosophy of the zero. And basically these people philosophically worship the zero, which is the ultimate zero is death. And like, what do we, in my speech I talked about, what do they want? What do feminists want? Zero masculinity. That's the purpose of toxic masculinity. The neuterate hollow it out, zero it out. Shameless. How much femininity do they want in women? Zero. Women masculinize weirdos. How much nuclear family do they want? Zero. How much freedom do they want? Zero. It's all zero, zero, zero, zero, zero. Because they're fucking nuts. Well, because if everything's zero, then everyone's truly equal. That's what it truly means because you can't. If we're all dead, we're all equal. That's right. Well, that's really, that's the ideology is that, because you can't bring everyone, if it's from zero to 100, you can't bring everyone up to 100. You can't bring people up. You can't bring people that are lacking in some way up, but you can take people that have capacity. You can take them down. And we see that everywhere. And that happens through, again, through culture, through media, towards men through the violence of shaming. I think we need to wrap. We've been going through a long, long time. This is a really fun conversation. That's really good, man. I feel like I could go for another three hours. No problem, come on. Well, thank you for your time. Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much for everything at the event. I mean, not just your time here in the interview, but everything you've done has been fucking awesome. Thank you, man. I'm excited to watch all the interviews too. Me too. This is one of my favorite shows. It's been my favorite show in the world. Thank you for inviting me to do this. It was a real honor meeting all the speakers and then participating in this great event to the way that I have. Yeah, man. Thank you so much. All right, with that said, this has been the new and improved 21 Report with Anthony Dream Johnson. I'll see you next episode with Tony Bruno. Peace out.