 It's a breakfast and plus TV Africa we look at the emergence of the third force in Nigeria ahead of the 2023 National elections now the much talked about third force finally Would be do we have it here seven political parties joint forces ahead of the upcoming 2023? General elections all in a bid to put up a stronger fight against the all ruling progressive Congress the APC and a Frontline opposition people's Democratic Party the PDP now the parties in the collision are the new nagers people's party the NNP P the African Democratic Congress a DC the Social Democratic Party the SDP the allied people's movement the APM and the people's redemption party the PRP the Labor Party That's the LP and the National Rescue Movement the NRM Also looking at that you have at least five political parties Denying having agreement with the third force movement or any other group to present a joint presidential candidate in 2023 elections. We do have fine gentlemen joining the conversation this morning Dr. Katch or Nunu Jew a political scientist and analysts. Let's go to have you join us this morning Thank you for having me All right so with We also have Nika Goulet who's a public affairs analyst joining the conversation this morning Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm good morning to you in the studios. I'm good morning to our viewers All right, so let's start off with dr. Katch or Nunu Jew. Do you see a reputation of what happened in? 2015 happening in 2023 now that you have I mean, you know seemingly a thought force Well thought force is a speculative intention. It has not yet happened For me to take anyone seriously you need to show me capacity. So far the parties you're talking about Parties without any elected member. So until we see parties that won election From this kind of thought force That's it. I've looked at what's there. I've seen an NTP. I have also seen SDP Yes, this may have been hurriedly put together But would they have cohesion if they do have who are the members who are the arrowheads a lot of what you're seeing calling themselves Thought force from what I see are Disgruntled Where is allies who were disappointed if some of these people are the people who formed the coalition known as the APC and they have not seen How very very blind their strategies where we already took them there He let them down and now some of them by running off as saying is thought force Don't take them seriously place. I see many issues to go in the Two main parties as they are struggling right now for the soul of the country If anything is to be To be seen I would say decide the two main parties What you're calling thought force I don't think anybody so serious should take them seriously These are principally members of the APC who are not happy. So I expect a progression of that anger in the policy to actually escalate as sets intentions to undermine the primary process and as he did in choosing the chairman He will also impose a precision candidate. That is when I will not see reactions Which could not lead me to say we might have a government Of those who are not happy and if that's what you call thought force Uh We will see that but right now. I have not seen that force what I see At this ground to APC members Who are trying to organize themselves in different platforms? But then what makes it very difficult is a electoral act Because if we are also waiting for what I've just said to happen Which is those who lose out After who imposes a candidate on apc And you understand the electoral act currently says that if you run for elections And go through the primaries on party a in this case apc And then you leave apc You will not be available For the 20 to the 30 election on another party So the right thing to do is to leave the party now And don't go through with the imposition Which I believe they Document 18 on the apc nomination form forces them to do Please don't call this to call Call me the name two people who you will say are not These ground to members of the apc in what you are now talking about the government of these who are angry I don't want to take them seriously. Let's just forget them. Yeah. Nick. Nick Agouli You live and listen to catch it. No, Joe who says that they Have not this so-called third force. They haven't won. They don't have a single seat Anywhere a single elected position A group of these grunt of the apc members who are looking for the next best thing to A platform to win an election on and Whilst they may not Have A chance for the presidency Is it possible that they can start something And be a third force a force for pressure political force an alternative A rising sun of sorts In the Nigerian political space. We look at the NNPP where you had You have Rabi Musa Kwankwa. So basically taking over the party structure And now He is a strongman of counter politics has been joined by his brother from another strongman in counter politics Shekarao in the same NNPP. You have some known names and respected politicians in the stp. Can they make An impact to motor house more? Thank you for that question Certainly They can make an impact certainly they can make an impact But not at the national level So to that extent I agree with dr. Katch that This may be efforts a bit too late in the run-up In the run-up to the 2020 election But it is certainly a step in the right direction This is what we call democracy in a democracy the more choices the people have The better the deepening of democracy So if people Are guaranteed their freedom of association under our constitution Then I will say that these Politicians that have come together to form this third force aren't doing anything wrong They are doing what is legal. They are doing what is their democratic rights And they are free to go ahead and do this but In agreement with dr. Katch is that This third force will not be effective at the national level at this time of the day Our politicians need to understand that Running for an election Doesn't have to start at when it is months or weeks away from the election We have politicians that show up on the scene For elections and after the elections are over they disappear into the oblivion Only for them to show up again when it is close to the election My advice to politicians in Nigeria is that Be on the scene Right from the beginning So when in 2023 we inaugurate a new government be on the scene from yourself Into a shadow government if you want Criticize government policy be there for the people when the government is issuing pain to the people You should be issuing palliative to the people. You should be the alternative voice You should be there all the way through the four years So that the people will come to believe in you. They will come to see in you an alternative And then when it is time for elections, you can then cash in On that support base that you built over that four-year period So this is not a question of I form a coalition We run an election We don't win the election. We all go our ways. We want to do our things And then when it is time for campaigns, we come back onto the same. So that would be my advice But this talk has been formed It's going to If they keep themselves together and like catch said If they don't Self-destruct because that is one of the risks that these heavily package coalitions have Is a is a these are people who are strange bad fellows Coming together with the idea that they want to cease fire Now are they going to be cohesive? Are they going to agree? Are they going to? Religate their own personal interests For the interest of the people for the interest of the majority That is the question that needs to be answered But like a carno, you have a two strong men like rally said in the carno political scene Who are in this third force? So they could probably make a new road into carno and into some other areas and actually This is actually the basic building blocks Of forming a third force you have to start right from the local government to state assemblies to governors To national assembly members and build yourself up before you can actually think of having a chance at the presidency As he stands this talk force has no chance at the presidency But they could have a chance at the local elections Can they really have a chance? Let's also have I mean catch a no no judicial with us this morning With the fact that you have about five political parties denying any involvement or any association with any movement to form This force for the elections in 2023 Will there even be any chance of a third force with all of this happening? I mean you have the NNPP the PRP the ZLP among others saying We have no business with any third force. But first we need to look at national politics Nationally we have 774 local governments In those places you have 8400 plus national political National political words In that you have From 120,000 to 200,000 pulling boots So if you now have A party that will be able to harvest footcast As a pressure election. We need a party with all the 200,000 persons If now all the 200,000 become agents that means all the holy boots will have at least one member of that party It pulling boot across the several 77 small local governments But what you never have mushroom, you know briefcase issues That Kwan Kwan Suu is angry in Kano because he's finally been out playing you know Very very very Blind calculations and he got into a pitch in Kano. And that's why you've seen he's talking Kano So the best he can do is to use the NNPP to roll local Kano elections Like house of assembly house of rep or Senate but not national Secondly, he's not even agreeable to a lot of people across the country the kind of politics he did Remember the killing of the electoral officer in Kano while he was governor And that was part of the conspiracies they brought together to bring the PPP down the same if we see here And brought who had it to power is if you see he's running away from Who again we trust him after what he has done for his own party You know what the Kosa Nostra does in it and if they see a man that uses boss to come and join them They will never trust you. So those who undermine the pdp to bring you hurry And they rather run back to PDP and seeking ticket now If you want to know what to look to look at the pictures that came from London yesterday PtoB is being embraced by down the streets Same way he's been embraced by Washington. That is what is being on the political scene Not nice by angry old men. Those things don't make sense. It is the down the streets Mitted by PtoB. That for me is the most significant political development we've had in the past week And then you also have a correspondent embrace of him in Washington. That is what matters So leave all these people making up so far. He's been able to capture the imaginations Of the youth across the country and mature it. That's what I'm looking at If you're going to make an impact as I said earlier, you can only do that on the major political parties It may be very difficult to fight in there, but you're fighting there Anybody has done his eight years. Of course, everybody's expecting it to now go to the south. That is the actions Not when you're talking about people just coming together because they can find space in the major pool Of the PDP and the agency. That's where I expect this should go And fight because if you want to score any goal in any match, you must be inside the stadium You cannot win outside the stadium. So all these prefer parties Some of them don't even have a single counselor telling me they're coming together to form an alliance alliance of what? Show energy if it were parties that already have elected persons Not trying to form some kind of Corporation because the way the law is it's too late for them to register a brand new party Then I will know but then look at the men and their past Do they Look like people who can work with other people Something is not going to pass. So so leave those issues around. That's what you see those people Announcing that I know no no no no we have nothing to do with them. Let them keep trying I don't see a tech force. It was too late to happen today. All right. How are you going to do it? Okay? That's an interesting question. How are you going to do it? They are saying that of of the the parties in this coalition They are adopting a single line candidate or single line of candidates and they are adopting the The labor party as a frontline party which they will use for this purpose Um It was a lucia goma bass angel who if I remember first talked about or most famously talked about this third force in Nigerian politics Um, do you think and I come back over to you nika. Do you think that this is possible? ever Because from what you both are saying For the 2023 elections is pdp or apc. We're going for it Will we see any other party or any political force or group or coalition of stage these two parties? I mean in the near future the next election or two nick Yes, it is very possible But there's a lot of homework that needs to be done You can't just form a third force out of the blues it has to start from the local levels to the state levels to the national levels So it is it is it can be done another way that it can also be done Is to have a popular candidate Like dr. Katch is saying Peter will be has got support across the nation I support him myself because of what he has done in the past but I believe that he is in the wrong group because like I like I didn't predict on this program In the past, you know after the governor or tone zoning committee gave a press conference to say that they have decided on on the zoning formula I was called to this uh to this program to analyze and I did predict on this program that The the the zoning is going to be thrown open because Some party chief tells he did not like the articles the tambourines the sarakis Have already bought nomination forms and had them in their hands And so there's no way the pdp will say they should dump those forms and they were zoning the ticket to the south or anywhere And that has come to pass and what I'm predicting again on this program is that Don't see pdp handing the ticket to peter will be I really don't think pdp will hand the ticket to peter will be because As much as peter will be is popular with nigerians He may not be as popular with the delegates Which is known So coming to a third force we have to let you go first pick someone that peter will be a popular Nigerian Who is here as their presidential candidate? They could cause they could cause An upset thank you in my own mind. Thank you. Nika. Gullay. We have to let you go. Thank you so much for being part of the breakfast We appreciate your time. Nika. Gullay is a public affairs analyst We also have Dr. Katch Nunu drew who's also a political analyst and scientist joining us This morning on the breakfast looking at the possibility of having a third force Especially with the fact that you have political parties, but seven of them coming up together That's the Much that we can take on the breakfast this morning. Thank you so much fine gentlemen for being part of the breakfast Yeah If you missed out on any part of it, it's all right to follow us on facebook, twitter and instagram And do subscribe to our youtube channel at plus tv africa and plus tv africa lifestyle I am messiable. We'll have a fantastic day And i'm kofi butch else return tomorrow. Good morning