 is Alan Melvintano can be a means pretty ninja if you're dealing with like massive file transfers That's another person. We should get on the show one of these days is Alan Yeah, if you want to talk storage Alan is amazing. He he was on forecast Ages ago, but I don't think I've been on a show with him in a long time. I always spell his last name ml. Oh ml ml v e n t a n o Hey, what's the guy who runs the benchmarks on storage daily? Put him down put him down a l l y in space m a l b e n t a n a You had to get Mickey Mouse my head. Well, Shannon's Because she keeps going to Disneyland She's a Disneyland enthusiast. Hey, so am I and I've only been three times this year Yeah, but you live there You know, I pledge that I would never go back there It's really cool You know, it's the only place I've ever gotten churros from that wasn't like a taqueria And the churros were actually cooked correctly and they taste like They weren't like hard or been sitting around That's one of my favorite things about the the tech inspection day For the Baja 1000 it's because you wind up your vehicles You have to basically push them through Ensenada and they set up all the carnival stuff around and you know That that would be breakfast would be I'd make coffee and then I'd go buy like four bags of churros We don't be sitting there munching on churros fresh out of the fryer Wandering through Ensenada pushing our race vehicle. Okay. How is this not a cereal? It must be right? Churros. Oh, yeah, no totally from post. There it is churros post mini cinnamon churros It's like giving your kid just like and it's so weird because they dust it with cinnamon But it's the sugar that really cooks. Yeah, well, it's it's cinnamon. It's like, you know powder It's like cinnamon toast mix. It's like sugar and cinnamon and love and fat dough. It's Like Zeppelies donuts or you know, I'm not big on that big on Zeppelies Jen is you probably never really had a proper Zeppelie much like people who have bought churros from the, you know dried brick store Like at a baseball game. Yeah, I was like been carted around, you know Food again at a baseball game. Hey, should I go get those chicken nachos? They look really good Tom and and or Eileen. Well, no, we're in the we're the seventh inning if the game's gonna wrap up pretty soon It's like what we went to tell it three three extra innings and they closed Yeah, yeah, that's the way it works. I just wanted my chicken nachos. I know I know All right, shall we do this show then? Are we gonna talk about tech? Join the whole churro conversation get back to the churros and Yeah Our pay churro yons That's a level Patrick right now I am Plugging tech thing was there something else tech thing avxl is the podcast to do with Robert Herron love to mention avxl Yes, all right Roger you have control Yes All right here we go Hey everyone, do you know the fact that DTNS is ad-free as much as I do and would you like to keep it that way? Well, it's super simple. Just shoot order daily tech news show comm forward slash support and find out how This is the daily tech news for Friday, September 15th 2017. I'm Tom Merritt with me today Very happy to have Patrick Norton in the house. How's it going man? Apparently haven't figured out to the music stop, but I'm doing well. How are you sir? I'm good. I'm good. Patrick, of course co-host of tech thing you may be used to seeing Shannon Morse on this show quite often on Fridays This is not Shannon Morse. This is Patrick in case you're confused between the two It's the jaw that really separates us and the total lack of hair purple or otherwise, right? Otherwise tech thing hosts occasional will be on DTNS on Friday I get why it would be hard to keep them apart Patrick's gonna talk to us today about Processor parts well the parts that you want to put in your PC. How would you explain it the PC processors? You want to put it in your health? I've been really wanting to talk to you and Roger about your process chicken intake Especially Roger with the nuggets. I do love a nugget too. I have to say Loves that Roger and I share AMD if you're building your own system AMD is kind of taken over at most levels of system building unless you're spending all the money But we'll talk about that. Yes later. In fact AMD fans and I know there are at least three of you who have emailed me accusing me of an Intel bias. Please stay tuned Now here are some more top stories Google announced Thursday that it's making changes to chrome. Oh Crap crap. I screwed up. Hold on. I'm gonna rewind to do this again Len Peralta's with us as well This is the problem with not putting the video in front of me and not having the normal Friday people Len I'm so sorry. This is that this has become a shtick This is we're gonna need to do a supercut of all the times I have horribly forgot to introduce lead over you know what I gotta do is I just got a yell as loud as I It's not it's not that I hate the Cleveland Indians for breaking the Oakland days American League record for most Streaks subconsciously coming out. It's not Well, I'm very happy for your team. It could be no Len's gonna illustrate For us and we're kind of we're busted Len out of his cage this week We're giving him the whole week of news to choose from so I'm very interested to see what you pick Len Yeah, I'm excited to see what happens, too. We'll see exactly once you get to the top stories though Yeah, so for those of you who want an exercise at home Go back and re-edit this without me and most embarrassingly not introducing Len. Here are some more top stories Google announced Thursday that's making changes to Chrome to make autoplay videos less intrusive Chrome 63 which is scheduled to arrive in October for everyone. You can get a build of it now We'll give users the option to disable audio for individual websites So like a mute button if you're like, oh see net I'm tired of the auto playing video mute Preference that will persist between browsing sessions, too So if you close chrome and rope and back up it'll remember which ones you've muted Chrome 64 coming in January goes Even further it will stop sound from all Autoplay video unless you actually click on a video Or you have a history of clicking on video in this site if you're like no I always watch the videos at CNET then I'll let it play because it's like okay. We get it You you like this sort of thing. What do you what do you think the war on autoplay has begun Patrick? The war on on on autoplay Sound has been I already tweeted like at Google Chrome being like really you're gonna mute it But you'll let the video play in the background so the really irritating thing It sucks down the larger percentage of mine. I mean admittedly the audio is less irritating for multiple tabs But for example CNET not that I want at CNET call it anybody for being CNET particularly egregious The video the autoplay in the video would bother me less if it wasn't Oftentimes something it has a nothing to do with the article I'm viewing and be below the fold I mean SF gate does the same thing. Oh, I mean, yeah It's not they're not the only one and they're not doing it because you know Despite what they say we're offering additional video opportunities because our user base has really decided the video is the most engaging way to Tell a story no they're doing it because they want the ad revenue and they're doing it in cheesy sleazy ways It's gonna undermine the value of the ad revenue because you're doing it below the fold and they're auto playing it And it's really irritating and I'm glad that Google's doing this although if I'm you know a large website I'm probably horrified by this But you know the fact is is is by muting it the user is going to be less irritated But the video is still gonna play and the delete expletive publisher that's putting the egregious and irritating video is Still gonna get the ad revenue. So there's still gonna be sucking down system resources They're still gonna be sucking down bad with there's still gonna be a fundamentally inflating their video numbers and thus undermining the whole Advertising model for the video. It's irritating. I'm yeah, it is and and the system resources thing Wouldn't be such a big deal if it was one page every so often But I think you and I are very similar where we'll have literally 30 tabs maybe more at a time and if and suddenly this starts playing One of the nice things about having audio in the auto plays, you know, it's happening You know, yes, the tab will show a little little icon when it's playing, but it's nice to know Oh crap I need to go kill that because if I get 16 of these playing my system is gonna grind to a halt mm-hmm Well, I do like this change though. I'm not gonna dam them for not making all the change I would like to see in the world So I I think this is a pretty good one and it seems to you know, give user control Nod that says hey, you get to do this. I really like the muting thing actually Yeah, this the chrome 64 one where it's gonna think for me and decide when Autoplay should be allowed and when it shouldn't I'd like to have a little more control over that Maybe maybe I will I haven't looked all the way into the controls there Facebook announced Friday the opening of its fourth AI research lab in Montoille McGill professor Joelle Pinot will lead the lab She's an expert in dialogue systems and reinforcement learning And Facebook is charging her with focusing the Montreal lab on computer vision natural language and video analysis But of course Facebook also according to the tech wrench article hopes are her I'm sorry according to the fast company article hopes her expertise in dialogue will help with virtual assistance Facebook has existing labs in Menlo Park, California, New York City and Paris that means half of Facebook's AI labs Speak French, which means all AI will speak French, right? conspiracy No, what do you think? I mean Facebook Kind of lagging behind in the virtual assistant game, right? They have Facebook M and you kind of have to be approved to get the most out of it They don't want AI for virtual assistants. They want AI for predictive behavior. You know, I'm sober, right? I've been sober for a long time the AI efforts at Facebook are about making Every normal human being behave like me and you're a bottle of tequila They want to suck you down the rabbit hole and keep you clicking on stories And they will use every possible clock cycle and every circuit like every server in the universe Known and unknown whether it's speaking French English Well, he Lee or Chinese in the effort to make sure that you are slavishly dedicated to your feed Do you find it unusual given your perspective on virtual assistance that Facebook hasn't got one out there to compete with Siri and Google and Amazon. I don't know. I mean, I think I Think they have so much data gathered in so many interesting areas in so many other ways They're not as desperate about it. I mean, it's it's really interesting to watch Apple It's kind of like Apple this week. They were like, hey, we're doing 4k because we practically invented 4k and 4k is the future I mean, they're they're 4k pricing deals pretty fantastic for video, but you know, they're now catching up to like Roku Way behind for twice the price And that you know, of course, they're doing Apple's doing there like oh, we need something in the home to capture this information I I think everybody's playing this giant catch-up game. I think with Amazon Google's playing catch-up Although Google's got a huge amount of information from everybody using Android phones, but I don't know It just seems like a giant Google Amazon, you know, Microsoft Apple battle and Facebook. I think it's just going to quietly Stomp everybody No, I kind of I'm kind of ending up in the same place you are there, which I think Facebook is sitting back saying yeah, okay We've got some AI out there. We've got it in messenger. We've got some bots We don't think anybody's really cracked this and we could spend a lot of time trying to catch Amazon Or we could spend a lot of time trying to jump in front of Amazon Yeah, we come up with the thing that we think is even better that cracks all the problems that people complain No, it doesn't always understand what I say in context and it often turns itself on by accident I think Facebook is really hammering down like let's fix all of these things and then Trump them by here you go. We've we've got the one that works I mean Facebook's also like Google in the sense that they have a huge amount of information about how people Interact and how people use language that's very different like Amazon has a lot of information about how people shop Yeah, and Microsoft has a lot of information about how people interact with their computers But the really weird side effect of being you know Google or Facebook is you have this huge amount of information on how people communicate via email via messenger via, you know It's just it's it would it from a from a big data perspective I think it's probably a very radically different, you know Dataset to be playing with and I think that probably gives them some advantages when they're trying to figure out how to make, you know Verbal AI communications function better or I'm in denial and just great at Facebook, which is an entirely Strong possibility. All right This next story makes me long for the days when Google was just called Google Axios and Bloomberg are both reporting that sources tell them that alphabet Member alphabet is the holding company that owns all the Google things now including Google itself Alphabet has had talks to invest up to a billion dollars in Lyft The investment would reportedly be either by Google itself Google the subsidiary Google or by alphabets venture capital arm Which is called capital G Get it because it's capital investments and it's Google alphabet is already and also alphabet capital G Alphabet is already an investor in Lyft competitor Uber But alphabets Waymo division which does the self-driving cars has a partnership with Lyft and is suing Uber So it makes sense that alphabet might want to throw a little money into Lyft That's that's kind of just leaves you saying hmm I guess the thing to take out of this is the fact that Uber, you know, we all are very well aware with with ubers foibles But Lyft has been able to take Ubers missteps and turn them into advantages and this is an example of that Well, I just I mean, oh, it's a are they just investing in both sides of the fence because they can Invested in uber before uber became a problem and now they're like well, we've already got the money in uber fine We don't like them because we think they still trade secrets from us And they're sort of a toxic asset these days until they otherwise So let's put some money in Lyft because Lyft seems to be doing things. Well people like it. It's opening up in new markets It's got great international partnerships. That seems to be a safe place to store some money You know at this point they've got so much money to store. Does it really matter? Like I don't know I just why you and I are not running these Yeah, probably I would feel that way myself, you know, he's throw money at everything one of them It's like gonna win out. I mean, I've seen venture capital companies do that to the Dutchman, but I don't know. I I I keep waiting or Lyft What's that? Do you take uber or Lyft or do you that just never use right sharing? I very very rarely use ride for sharing. I have used both uber and Lyft I have you know, I have a friend of mine that works at at uber So he would prefer that I used uber at all times Yeah, if I worked there, I'd probably feel the same way but yeah China online retailer JD is setting up a 500 million dollar venture in Thailand Focused on shopping and personal finance JD will partner with a brick-and-mortar retailer a huge presence They've been around for decades called central Central runs most maybe of the malls and department stores in Thailand as well as a bunch of hotels Holdings in other real estate areas tech in Asia sites e-marketers projection that Thailand's online shopping spend is projected to reach $5.7 billion us in 2020 and companies like Alibaba and JD are starting to look outside China to grow their businesses Not that they're exactly reaching saturation in China, but things are So they're like well, we need to go elsewhere in Southeast Asia Alibaba operates the Lazada marketplace in Thailand and elsewhere in Southeast Asia already So this is kind of the hot new growth areas for companies who are like we need to get ahead of the curve Makes sense to me I mean, where's the emerging market get there first make all the money and and hopefully block your Competitors from making money there before you can I didn't think it's interesting because a lot of times We think of China as you know Oh, that's a place with restrictions on business or that's a place where Facebook and Amazon really need to get in And Amazon's trying to get in they're trying to get into Thailand as well It is difficult for these u.s. Companies to make a go of it Not just in China. Yes, it's difficult in China because a lot of times they require companies to do things that u.s. Companies don't want to do But it's hard to do it in Thailand and elsewhere because as we've had people on the show before explain It's an entirely different way of approaching shopping Yeah, and payments and you need somebody who is familiar with that I'm just laughing because I'm thinking of steve martin from a thousand years going those french They have a different word for almost everything But it's also it's not just language. It's language. It's culture. It's how people do things and and It is it is not trivial to do that. Yeah We had a guest on somebody that patrick beja knew and he had had him on the filius club who is explaining, you know e-commerce In in thailand you you want you just email your payment? Basically, you just message your payment to someone separately from your purchase And they look at shopping carts and things that we do normally in the u.s. As weird and and impersonal and therefore scary and insecure You don't even get to talk to somebody. How do you how do you trust that? Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean years ago I was talking to people at del and they're like, well, you know the the whole sort of mail order You know online sales thing doesn't seem to be working particularly well in europe and like well, you know You got like 2,000 years of people living in your 1,000 years of people living in small villages buying everything locally And in the united states you have a couple hundred years of people being scattered to the ass end of nowhere And being really excited when a train came in because then they get order things and they would show Well, you know, I mean it's just the wells fargo wagon. Is it coming down the track exactly or you know The idea of mail order is this inherent thing to being like i'm in the middle of nowhere And if I can't make it myself it has to come from somewhere else You know, it's it's I don't know it's curious to watch this stuff evolve And it's also curious to to hear what turns out to be a major business problem I mean, I remember somebody Like being really shocked the somebody they worked with insisted They did like a global name search to make sure the name of their company Wasn't offensive in any language and in one of their primary markets I think it was the equivalent of of mooning somebody's grandmother Um, you know something it was like, you know Awkward really awkward. Um Yeah, I don't know. It's a global man. Yeah, uh, and and now your history moment, uh, do you remember Patrick Norton in 1999 covering amazon's patent for one-click purchases and their lawsuit Against barns and noble and the anger at amazon you can't own clicking That patent has expired as of september 12th Uh, and amazon can no longer. Well, I guess they can collect license fees, uh, but no one has to pay them anymore People can can start doing one-click purchases. We've waited all these years patrick finally start a Shopify website without being afraid Well, honestly, I was thinking back at all these arguments we had in 99 about why this was bad and a break on innovation And it didn't really slow down e-commerce. I mean e-commerce has been fine But there certainly is the feeling that going to amazon to shop is easier I I feel it sometimes or i'm like, I'll just do it at amazon I wonder how much of that is one-click. I don't think all of it is one-click But if suddenly everywhere is able to say, oh, yeah one-click shopping We got it now. We don't have to pay for it. So everybody's going to do it Will we even notice? Oh gosh, you know, I probably not at this point so much of of my shopping in amazon Like amazon no longer is guaranteed best price on something. So that's probably undermined more of my amazon shopping than anything else um There's also so many other advantages in amazon, you know the the free shipping the prime the the familiarity with the interface We'll see yeah, i'm i'm i'm curious too because I hate to say it but I think a lot of the anger that 29 year old Tom Merritt had about this in 1999 was unfounded in the end I don't I don't think it damaged the things that we thought it would damage and and i'm not saying that I I still support this particular patent being awarded. I think it's rather obvious Uh and shouldn't have been But in this case, I don't know that it materially things it's amazing to realize how unbelievably broad it is right any e-commerce transaction executed with one click With customer credentials that are stored for valedict. I mean, it's like Yeah, you know, I it'll be interesting to see how fast places like monoprice and and Jet and all these other websites will rush to implement this Yeah, or if they will at all if it if it even matters Uh folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines dot com You can also get it on the amazon echo as a flash briefing and in google home through the anchor service And get it on the anchor service at anchor. Uh, just look for it in the app store or go to anchor dot fm All right, so we've had a lot of people asking us about processors, uh, you've got really intel's new processors You got ryzen's new processors and they're like which one should I get? What's the difference? Why is one so much cheaper? But it looks like the other one's more powerful and that's why I wanted patrick norton to come on the show and kind of give us the low down With all of these new processors out there if i'm building a pc or if i'm looking to upgrade one What should I know? Well, I'll give you a hint. Uh, right now I am Working on a ryzen powered system and there is a ryzen powered system over there And I have a del all-in-one 27 inch Computer that has a ryzen processor being tested over there So i'm a little bullish on ryzen right now. You're feeling the amd love I'm feeling the amd love For any of a number of reasons but what it comes down to is is You know a year or two ago. So I co-host this big computer hardware with ryan trout ryan trout runs pc purr.com It's a fantastic website for hardware reviews and what you're looking at right now is a pc perspective hardware leaderboard and You know right now the low end the mid-range and the high end system the processors from that are all amd ryzen and you know not too long ago. They all would have been intel and You know a couple years ago. It became pretty obvious that intel was less than I don't know enthusiastic or less than focused on the Enthusiast market or the power user market and that you know Reducing power consumption for example is much more important to intel than say delivering significant gains in You know instructions per cycle or clock speed or things that would make you go wow this processor is like so much faster than my old one It's you know, you know great for laptops not so great for you know video editors or or gamers and stuff So if you're talking about like, you know single core 1080p gaming You know intel has an advantage in terms of because they do the most clock cycles at the highest clock speeds Like you know the fastest gaming processor every day That's why you'll see the headline say intel has the more powerful ones, but amd's give you more bang for the buck Yeah, and when you look at it, essentially, you know, when you look at a core i3 You know ryzen it's essentially delivering delivering you the number of cores Uh and threads you would get off of or as I should say amd ryzen 1300 you're essentially getting Uh, you know ryzen 3 is is the core equivalent of an amd To me and intel core i5 and you know an amd ryzen 5 1600 is like getting a core i7 You know, so it's it's kind of crazy when you when you look at what What amd is done like they've they've come close in performance They were way behind in performance now they're close in performance and then they've basically decided to give you like Oh for 240 bucks. We're going to give you a six core You know 12 thread Processor, you know or you can go spend the same amount of money and get a four core eight thread processor And it's you're doing go ahead. No, I was just going to say so so the shortcut is Uh, if you have a certain amount to spend, uh, that's not the full amount that you could possibly spend Because it's going to be the better buy If you want to get the most power and money's no object then then maybe it's intel Yeah, I mean right now, uh, you know if you look at like the if you're spending like three grand on a system If you're going to spend $1,000 on a processor, um, you know the skylade x the core i9 7900 x 44 pc i express lanes obtained support some pretty ridiculous performance, but it's an $1,150 processor You know if you're looking at like a $1,500 system a rise in 7 1700 is pretty amazing, right? You know, what's you know part of what's really cool about what amd has done is all of their processors are unlocked So you can overclock them Some of their motherboard support some of their motherboard chips up support overclocking some of them doesn't you know But if you look like an you know an msi x3 70 s li plus it's a $132 motherboard combine that with a rise in 7 1700 Which is going to be a $290 cpu and you're going to end up with a monumental number of cores To throw at you know your applications and if you are rendering video if you are playing with photoshop if you are You know running a whole bunch of stuff simultaneously. It's fantastic I mean I went from a core i7 6700 k overclocked To the 1800 x in in this my production system and I literally cut my rendering time on stuff by like 50 Huge reduction because I was throwing so many more cores and so many threads at the process So if I've only got 500 bucks to spend Let's let's say I'm on the super budget, but I want to build myself a system. What do I get if you're you know There's a there's still a pentium processor They're like a dual core pentium processor from intel That's really fascinating if like all you care about is 1080p gaming right and spending as little money as possible For everybody else take a really close look at amd's rise in 3 1300 x the low-end system That ryan and the crew at pc purr put together It's an aces prime a 320 motherboard Which is is essentially the budget line of the a 320 series motherboards in the budget lineup From or for the amd rise in processors amd rise in 3 1300 x is 130 bucks And gives you you know pretty decent single thread performance Plus it gives you a you know the equivalent of like, you know more cores And you would get from anything but a core i5 processor if you're running If you're running and you know, it's simply more expensive processor if you're running intel You can fit an aces rx5 60 for 120 bucks, which is more of a holding place for a gpu than a super gaming gpu That'll get you like 8 gigabytes of ram a 250 gigabyte ssd You know it's in a like a you know 500 watt power supply for 40 or 60 bucks So that's a 530 system that'll hold most people except for serious gamers for a really long time And if you're not gaming, I probably wouldn't even bother getting the gpu at that point. Yeah Speaking of the gpu though the the costs are a little wonky these days. Why is that? Well, okay, first of all, I should point out that that uh, actually you probably would still need a gpu with that system but because of of the onboard graphics, but um You know right now the whole bitcoin slash ethereum mining the ultra currency mining markets have been um I'm about to use a phrase that I can't use on a family friendly show. So I won't use it. Um, the uh, the market Yeah, overblown. Yes. That's exactly the kind of phrase that is going for except with more expletives The the currency mining markets have been so berserk this summer that people have been buying gpu's handover fist For example, I have an acquaintance that might have eight systems with a total of I want to say No, excuse me five systems running 20 gpu's Uh, uh stuffed into the corner of his house for let's say a $700 a month electrical bill, but he's mining like $4,000 a month in currency. I don't need to run the heater this winter No, he won't actually he was looking for ways to figure out how to recycle the heat coming off of all those gpu's and systems Smart, but the the horrible side effect of that is um, there has there's just The prices are way up for most gpu's not all but the vast majority and then We thought there was going to be some relief from that as amd released the the the radion rx 56 or radion vega 56 radion 64 But you know, I went to double check this morning and yeah, they're pretty much they sold out their vega 56 is And if you can find one it's selling for instead of 3.99 it's probably selling for 7.99 And then what would have been a 400 dollar gpu like a core i7 Excuse me core i7 a gtx 1070 which was a 400 dollar gpu is probably right now selling for 450 to 479 dollars So it's not completely unavailable, but there's a lot of areas where they're particularly attractive Um, you know for currency miners where the prices are way up and the availability is way down for a lot of the gpu And the prices are coming down for ethereum and bitcoin right now as china has been cracking down on exchanges But they're not cracking down on mining. So it's it's hard to say if this will actually relieve it or not Yeah, you know what happens though is is if if the decrease in price Decreases the amount of revenue that the miners can make off their you know ethereum mining or whatever else they're doing Right because that's the gpu based stuff at this point bitcoin isn't really using gpu's or successful bitcoin miners are no longer using gpu's The upside of that is if if the ethereum yields are way down or the ethereum revenues way down For example, then people are going to be like i'm going to sell my hardware rather than run all this electricity to make The money and when they do that then there's a whole metric ton of used cards on the market and the prices go down At least if you're you know one because people aren't buying new cards and two because you have the option of buying a used card Um, yeah, you know, well, we'll see. I mean icos are are still super hot So that may fill in the gap It's just it's it's impossible to know but i'll keep my fingers crossed that maybe we get a little card glut Out of this uh at some point. Uh last question Yeah, what about the person who's out there going? I don't understand most of your words I just want to buy a new computer a new laptop. Does it matter Whether it has intel or amd inside? Uh for the most part it does not matter Uh, you know if you're a power user if you're running photoshop If you're video editing if you like to have seven thousand chrome tabs open simultaneously while running a couple of other apps like tom and i do Then the advantage in the amd cpus is that you're going to get More cores and more threads i.e. more power to throw at your computing problems for the same amount of money Uh, but the reality is is once you get up to a core i5 processor for the vast majority of users out there You're going to have all the power you need for everything you want to do go buy a dell Be happy with whoever you get do me a favor try to get at least eight gigabytes of ram windows will like it a lot Better so excellent that's good advice Thanks everybody participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and Check out our facebook group. It's hopping over there facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show I've got a couple of people. This is what I really love these days is we've got so many people who are experts in various things willing to share some information Regarding the equifax breach the fact that it was apache struts We were saying it seems like something they should have been able to fix in less than two months Matt Bertolini was listening to the episode and thought he could shed some light on how companies like equifax tend to handle software patches He said the patch that the apache stretch team made was most likely a very Surgical change completely backward compatible with the previous version of the framework apache is usually very good About maintaining compatibility now my my understanding is that you did have to reinstall the framework from scratch, but He says two months should be more than enough time to perform the sort of upgrade If they were already keeping their software libraries and frameworks up to date Matt says i've been programming java for over 10 years most of the companies I've worked for have had several frameworks like struts that were severely out of date None of the engineers and managers had any interest in upgrading these libraries because they were working fine The phrase if it ain't broke don't fix it would oftentimes be thrown around from managers I would often find myself being the only person in my team beating the drum about keeping libraries up to date So that security patches could be applied quickly and easily now it goes on in more detail if you want to read about it But essentially the gist is if you weren't keeping up the libraries then suddenly that patch in march Becomes a very complex and difficult thing to implement and that could be one of the reasons it took so long And then another person emailed in and said i work with equifax and their business banking teams on a daily basis for the Past year or so i've also worked with the enterprise security team for more than five years at my previous company It really comes down to the simple fact of money Equifax makes the majority of their money from financial services unit not the consumer credit arm therefore My estimation after speaking to friends and colleagues is that the attention to detail was removed from all other business units To focus on the more profitable financial services business I know shocking right as a side note There has been very recent large layoffs and reorganizations that may have also led to the site being missed in standard scans Just thought this could add color to the situation. Thanks again for a great show. So appreciate Being willing to share a little bit of that insight too Not not surprising in either case, but good good insight nindolas And now for some scary maritime hacking news, uh, james thatcher big jim from tech and trade Hey, thanks. Tom. I want to talk today about an article. I read on splash 24 7.com Which is titled malware spreading fast through the merchant fleet This is an important article because it talks about a survey that was done by the british Firm futronautics now futronautics went out and they surveyed 2500 seafarers and found that 40 of the officers have sailed on a vessel Which became infected with the computer virus or malware now the crew also stated that 87 of those officers Had no cyber training whatsoever. No cyber security training at all This is a big issue, especially within that picture of virus tech that happened on maersk back in june So this article Paints a very stark and drastic detail of things that are coming Uh, and I want to explore more of this on the next tech and trade. So join me next time at tech and trade Back to you tom excellent Go follow him at tech and trade on the twitters and you can find out more about that if you're interested in in how tech And logistics play together. Thank jim for that and last but not least We had the listener mentioning he couldn't use two factor authentication on his iphone 4s Which he uses as like a basically a spy camera as a security camera And he was upset about that because his workaround had been to install apps using itunes And now itunes doesn't handle apps anymore Well rob from g long australia was among the many people who pointed to the apple support page that says two factor authentication for apple id Is implemented in older devices that don't support two factor authentication like the iphone 4s by appending The second factor to the end of your password So if you're installing an app and you have two factor authentication turned on and you get a prompt for a password Just put in your password plus the six digit code Uh, that is your second factor and you should be able to log right in That is something i did not realize so thank you like we had a half dozen people point this out and then matt stevens suggested You could just make a new account under a family plan apple lets you do a family plan with up to six people I think for free make a dummy account under the family plan put the put the dummy account on the iphone 4s Don't assign a credit card to it and then If somebody were to get into it even though it didn't have a second factor They wouldn't get much uh was sort of matt's point. He's got more details about it Uh and how to set up family sharing we'll put in the show notes as well But that's another way to approach it But the fact that you can actually use the second factor on the older operating systems is pretty big Cool Yeah, uh, and then finally dav salvard said you missed one huge result of removing app store from itunes web page links to the app store Buy icon He says for me this will be a big issue because sometimes while on a desktop I do a google search get the itunes app store link click it and just know it'll install on my device I'm really going to miss that feature And you can do that with android right now I can go to a web page Say put that on my my phone or put that on my tablet and it'll just show up I I would like to see apple actually implement that as well I'm just disappointed. I won't be able to rearrange my icon likes I'm afraid to update To the new version of itunes because I might not be able to rearrange all my icons on my Screen anymore. That's what I'm afraid to find out with the new version of itunes The it's on your on your on your device screen. Yeah, like you could actually Manually rearrange all the icons and one of the oh, yeah, the itunes used to be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's true Uh, well, you can do it on the device though Ever on the device by comparison. I see I see you like the speed Yeah, I'm good. I like speed Uh, you like to speed draw. I know that and you've been drawing something for us today. What do you got? Yeah, you mentioned at the top of the show that uh, we were going to try to do something a little bit different from time to time Where we talk about the big Uh story of the week the big story of the week, of course being face id and the iphone 10 um I made a uh a comment on twitter that I thought that it would give it a year Uh, someone's going to do the leather face sort of thing with the face id sort of going to a morbid kind of halloween type thing And that's what I did. I drew leather face in this week's uh drawing I do work for leather face lenn I you know, i'm in the halloween spirit. So there you go. Um leather face saying face id not work for leather face Leather face should have bought iphone 9 instead So there you go. Oh leather face. That's so leather face. You silly guy you Uh, so go check it out. Uh leather face trying to use face id. It's a brilliant piece of art I have to say led you top yourself every week. It's amazing. 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It's a little Viva la facebook don't click to buy them all amd's raisin stars. Some of those these we've I think we used one of these amd ones before I like the amd raisins to the top or something like that The raisin tide raises all threads Patrick, do you like that one? I don't that one. I like you like the raisin tide raises all threads Raised all threads. Yeah Nice back up into Patrick. Yeah, you know the the one thing I didn't point out was that Basically that the rise in stuff doesn't have on board gpu's Um, despite the some of the motherboards have the capacity for it, but um, yeah Yeah, a rise in tide raises all threads. You started to mention that I started to and then I just realized I was going to go down a long and boring rabbit hole over the vast majority of humanity. You know Or at least held that way inside my head I should have just let you cut me off Once you're once your pc needs extend beyond gaming and you're like working and Like all of creatives cloud suite like like five of the applications at the same time the thread things really really becomes important Yeah, and the memory Yeah, it's it's it's funny because somebody's like I've got a you know they're basically like I have a laptop with like two cores and and Two threads and and 12 gigabytes of ram and I was just they're like, what should I buy it? I'm like almost anything you buy today this five-year-old laptop like almost anything you buy today to edit video is going to spank it But uh, yeah, it also amazed me people are like, oh, you know, I'm running four gigabytes of ram and I'm like Go get another stick of ram Call me back Oh my god, that's amazing. Yeah Yeah, that's well, it's it's weird because um Um Premier itself doesn't occupy the much ram, but once I use dynamic link with adobe effects after effects That's when things really get like obnoxious, but it doesn't speed up It just gets less slow if that makes sense. Yeah, like but sometimes less slow No, no, it's definitely an advantage Well, the great thing is it doesn't need to cache as much Because when you dynamically link from after effects, it's not actually rendered And so it has to bring everything in the premiere and it's kind of flaky sometimes like all crash But when it works, it's awesome puja systems. Did a really great article on recommended hardware for premiere pro You know looking at performance on the processors you know the memory storage video cards and It's a really nice thing because they basically went through and played around with a bunch of uh, sort of, you know render previews and exports and looking at performance and It's interesting to see like, you know going from a gtx 1070, which is you know, normally a $400 gpu to a titan xp Which is a thousand dollar gpu only gets you about a 20 gain Uh on renders and exports, but Um, you know, they're also just like yeah, if you're doing, you know, 1080p video editing get 32 gigabytes of ram If you're doing 64 or if you're doing 4k editing get 64 gigabytes of ram I mean as long as you get something that accelerates mercury playback You should be good, but a lot of creative applications are still heavily cpu bound And if you had the choice and gaming wasn't the top of your list You can kind of skimp a little bit on your video card in favor of a faster processor or more ram Yeah, but I mean you're for like exports, especially cpu is a huge deal. Yeah You know going from a core i7 7800 x to a 78 20 x where it goes to like just adding two cores and maybe a 0.3 like a 300 hertz boost That's giving you a 20 boost in in exports Which is a huge difference and what that's what's so crazy about the amd's right is what would be a $1,200 a thousand dollar processor On that on the intel side You're getting that many cores for like $475 now from amd. So that's a huge deal I would totally I would totally Spec out horizon system if not for the fact that I probably have another four years on my pc Well, I Well, and that's the thing, you know for a long time now people have said oh, it's not it's not worth building your own PC anymore You don't save the money, but there are other advantages to building it. They're just saving the money Well getting exactly what you want. Yeah, you know not violating your warranty if you change something Yeah Oh, no, especially if you want to get a system That's I mean, they don't they don't sell any of the uh, the The this not the sandy bridge. I mean, what's the what's the board? That replaced the old sandy and ivy bridge extreme boards of 2011 Oh, man, I couldn't even think But basically you can't buy that really Outside of like a boutique maker Spec it out that way you have to build it yourself Yeah, I don't know. It was also pretty crazy. I mean The beginning of last year was when things kind of went berserk. We were laughing You know when every motherboard vendor released literally it was last spring like There was an average of 30 To 34 new motherboards from every motherboard Manufacturing that spring and it's like I get that they're trying a lot of this stuff is stuff It's only going to go to manufacturers or or integrators or whatever But it was one of those moments where you're like this is just out of control And you know the prices were anywhere from like 130 to like 400 dollars depending on how many led integrated lights and you know Party features were integrated into the motherboard. This is like 34 wheelie disco balls Yeah, it's this is out of control b-ball Just give me lots of PCIe e-lanes Lots of ramps a lot of ram Capacity I've actually been meaning to to check with somebody who does this a lot Adding ram still helps, huh? We haven't we haven't hit the the outer limit there I for for I mean I would at in terms of like I am a normal user I would say get eight gigabytes for everybody just It's so cheap just throw eight gigabytes at it if you're a power user start with at least 16 okay You know that makes sense as soon as you get into content creation then I keep feeling like we're going to hit that wall Like we did with processors at some point where it's going to be like 16's pretty good and adding more doesn't give you that much more It's I think from X elsewhere and I mean I think for most people 16 gigabytes of ram is a lot of ram for anybody who doesn't like you know edit lots of photos or Anybody doesn't edit lots of photos or or video or audio or something where they're doing like I am doing big content creation I am dealing with a giant you know database. I am rendering stuff over here while I am doing other things over there But the other thing is is the way they've set up windows now is right as windows will basically You know lay off your most, you know It'll take advantage of the extra space and ram that your applications aren't using to basically store stuff That's useful for the operating system. It doesn't throw ram discs. Yeah, it's not wasted Need it, but like you know, you know, especially for for you know, os 10 and windows I'd say everybody should have at least eight gigabytes of ram, you know And if if you're running 432 tabs simultaneously with three or four other applications then 16 gigabytes is not a bad idea You know if we're going to spend more than 150 bucks on a processor freaking buy 16 gigabytes of ram And be done with it. I would I would safely say if you plan on editing video You don't actually don't really need more than 16, but generally if if you're gonna do it for living you're gonna want more because You're good. You're gonna need to use at least two other applications You need to use after effects You need photoshop That's pretty much guaranteed because there's no other job Like no one just does video editing anymore. You need to know some Living I mean ram's so cheap right now. Well, it's cheap, but it does really speed things up because it has to manage all that And ram and it makes it so much snappier to improve your system With that and that and with people moving to 4k video I mean when you're when you're trying to manipulate 4k a k You want more you want more space? Yeah, but I mean you're looking at like You know decent 16 gigabyte ram kits are like, you know 130 bucks 118 bucks. I mean and lend you you you work with a lot of intensive stuff doing Well, this my my iMac. I just checked. I was like, I think I had 16, but I I'm maxed out at 32 on this 32 32 gigs of ram. Is that right? Yeah, that's probably right stranger things will have happened because I do I do I do audio I do podcasting I do drawing I need I need it to be snappy and quick Um, and I usually have a lot of reference photos up. So yeah, it's the cheapest way to To add more power to your computer for sure Also get an ssd If you don't have an ssd, just go buy one today Like don't get your spinning hard drive, but just get as ssd as a boot drive tweet patrick pictures of your high capacity ssds ssd prawn Like I have my I have my I have some of I have creative cloud Running off an ssd and it's still I still want it to go faster Take a look at the nvme stuff Yeah, I mean, it's crazy right an 850 evo one terabyte. Yeah, it's still about 330 bucks and a crucial mx 300 one terabyte Sadda ssd is 285 bucks Um nvme stuff is going to be a little more expensive. What's the difference between nvme and the others? More better faster It's just a faster interface for nvme was essentially designed for modern Yeah, so a lot of this go ahead. Oh, no, sorry. I didn't want to interrupt you I was just gonna say ssds right now when they run off a sad interface. It's an interface designed for hard drives and so In some ways, it's artificially limited by that. Yeah, you're kind of shoehorning a man. Yeah So I do all of mine on rs 232 ports All of it seems to slow things down starting to turn it into an xkcd cartoon Yeah, pretty quickly speaking of speed. I'm going to go check my xbox one and see if nba 2k 18 has downloaded Oh Go cabs I want to see how uh Yeah, I want to see how uh, isiah thomas plays on that game Hey, look before you go lenn, I just I just want to say once again I'm very happy that you broke a cabs record that your team Cubs record That is it hurting 23 And uh, finally cleveland gets a victory over the cubs in a in a way Go go get the giants next. I'm fine with that That's fine. Yeah. Well, you know what the big the big thing right is that two of those Wins and the giants were not consecutive. There were ties Well, no, but they were they in back in those days I will defend the giants of this back in those days when you played it when you played a tie They recorded it But it didn't count and they started the game over to find out who would win the next day Because they had to it was a tie because they ran out of light. They didn't have some lights on the field So even though they're ties they weren't decisions That broke it up. It was more like oh, we just have to stop playing and start over tomorrow But does that really count as a consecutive quote-unquote win? It's actually makes it harder to win 26 in a row because you just played an entire game that doesn't count essentially Yeah, okay, okay Well, I I honestly think I mean we're only Four away from tying that record. Mm-hmm. I think it's I think it's absolutely possible I don't think I don't I mean, I don't know it's weird to watch them win so much. It's just crazy They always find ways to win Unsettling It is it's like last night. I thought oh, this is over. I thought I was like, oh, I'm the bad luck I finally watched an indians game during the streak and they lose and then they didn't I couldn't believe it. It went into extra innings and they wanted on a walkoff, which was just Unreal so yeah This town this town is going crazy. So I'm sure I'm sure we'll see we'll see how it goes tonight Yeah, this home stand is going to be very interesting. So all right. Well, thanks again, Len All right. Take care everybody Bye And uh, thank you Patrick as well. I'm gonna end the broadcast now But we will be back on monday with miss belmont miss bill