 It's the pork industry in the UK, yeah. This is called a gas chamber. Yeah, I worked in the slot rounds. Oh really? That's like 20, yeah. Pulled pinks or did they have gas chamber in that slaughterhouse, yeah. When a child gets hit by a fucking crocker though, I don't give a fuck. You say circle of life. Yeah. Did they have gas chamber in that slaughterhouse, yeah. They used to go down in a lift like that, they gas them to sleep, and then they cut their throat. Cut their throat, exactly. No, I think they just stab, then they stab them in the throat afterwards, yeah. No, I think they, yeah, they bolted them. They were bolting them at your slaughterhouse? So that's a bit different to this one. No, they gas them. They gas them, then they bolted them. That's why I'm no, does it? Wow, okay. Yeah, so it puts, so it's humane, so it puts them to sleep, and then. Do you really think that's humane? Right, it's more than, more than it could be, I suppose. Yeah, like, they went down in a lift, yeah. What do you think's more humane, like doing this or just leaving them be? I think it should be wild if you can, you know? Yeah. It's a chance, a more for game hunting, you know? You prefer hunting over the industry like this? Yeah. See, I prefer just going plants, plant-based. I've seen that one, I've been to America, going hunting before. I don't, I mean, you eat, growing habitats together as well. Is that an argument for an against, I mean? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, in the day, you know, animals eat, animals feed, just to feed a train. Feed a train? Yeah, I mean, listen, it's industrial. Well, this is what, yeah. You mean to go out and hunt an animal that's got a chance and then roast it and eat it? Well, what if you could go out, by that logic, you could go out and forage or you could go out and find fruits and all? Yeah. But in the same way, same time, the animal does the same thing, they go out and do it. Yeah. Animals do like horrible things to each other, but do you think, because an animal acts a certain way we should do that, we should act in the same way? If we can be more ethical than animals, then why wouldn't we do that? You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to shoot animals and we don't have to shoot dogs either. I mean, we can go out and hunt stray dogs. It's better for us. No, not necessarily. It dies anyway. Because there's not enough game out there to feed the whole population as well. Like, we've got seven billion people, there's not seven billion deer out there. You know, there's not gonna be animals left, but that's why they're breeding them into factory farms. That's why they breed them. Yeah. So the most logical thing, the most sustainable thing would be to eat the plant foods because all these animals are being fed plant foods, but loads more. Loads more are going to the pigs and the chickens and the cows and the farmed fish. Absolutely, there's 74 billion land animals being slaughtered every year so I don't know how many's on earth, but they outnumber us by at least 10 times. So imagine how much plant food they need, water, resources, just so we can eat a little bit of steak. Yeah. I love meat, I love fish. So did I. That's why we do this. This isn't bacon, you know? This is in Tesco. This is why we're handing out. We're making sandwiches if you want to try it. Is there any good? Can we get, do you want one? Do you guys want to try one? We can make one each for you if you want. Yeah. Okay. So you've got soy in there. Yes it does. Who's allergic to soy? This is not good to you though. Really? Soy? Full of cows in there. Do you eat real bacon? No, I don't eat, I eat stuff without nitrates. Soy's no good for you man. It's no good for you. It destroys your testosterone and it's like, and the way it's made, the loads of chemicals and it's all GMO. This is non-GMO. Soy's just the bean dude. I think that propaganda is a bit like... No, it's not good for you. It's everyone, no. It's called, it's called phytoestrogens in it and they're plant estrogens. They're not the same as the estrogens. Like I don't know if you drink dairy from a cow. Goats. Goats, so that's a pregnant goat. So they've got real estrogens in there. You know, I think there's soy propagandas coming from the dairy industry that don't want people using soy, milk and things like that. It's cutting in on their sales. Because phytoestrogens don't affect humans because they're plant estrogens. I don't think the dairy industry's under threat from the soy industry. No, they don't like these. They're a long way off taking... I'll tell you right now how I know because they're using the law to stop plant milks are calling it milk. And plant, you know, they're making, they're not allowed to call it a milk alternative. They're trying to change the labelling. Look, you've got to think, these people who are involved in the money by the dairy industry, I think they don't hold shares in the plant industry. They hold shares everywhere and they chop them change. Well, some are thinking about that. No trade goes, no trader stays in one industry. So all these CEOs, you know, we've got their own dairy companies, they've got shares in all the other companies. We hope they do do the plant stuff. We hope the plant stuff overrides the cow stuff. No, mine talks bullshit. That's it, eh? At the end of the day, yeah, supply and demand and, you know... Supply and demand? And there's no emotion when it is. They're not going to know we've got to, if they see something catching on, they're not going to try and stop it, they're going to get on it and try and make me out. So with supply and demand, I don't know what type of animal products you eat, but when you pay for that animal product, you're responsible for what happens to that animal, so you agree with that, eh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll take that on the chin. I mean, I had no problem working in a sort of... When I did... Did you work on the kill floor? Yeah, I was loading them... Well, that's a bit different. Loading the meat on the thing. We used to see all the pigs like that. I used to see all that, you know, hanging upside down. Struggling and blood coming out of them? No, not struggling, it's dead. Dead? No, no, they wouldn't do that. They kill them. They gas them. They gas them, bolt them? Yeah. Then put it through a washing machine, take all the hairs off. Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I've been in one myself as well. On the kill floor. I mean, I was raised to my grandmother with rabbits, hanging them upside down and got in them. Yeah. Disconnected? No, you'd play with a rabbit, you'd smooth it, there's a child, and then the next thing you'd be in it. I have a rabbit. What do you think about that, though? I have a rabbit. What about the thing about people like that are against animal cruelty, but they would, if they... If it wasn't cruel to it, you'd just get the ears. Bang, dead. Then suffer. Yeah. So you think that the suffering's the only cruel part, not the killing? No, he's going to die anyway. Yeah. The animal was going to die anyway. But the thing is, you know, I say the same thing. You know, when a child gets hit by a fucking crocodile, I don't give a fuck. You say circle of life? Yeah. What do you think about that circle of life argument? Well, when someone gets hit by a shark, when they were in the water, it's their territory. Oh, what about... I've got no issue with that. What about how humans react when someone gets bitten by a shark that they go and try to attack them? Yeah. You're like an outlier. I think that's wrong. Yeah. I think that's wrong. I think let the shark have his time. You think the shark should eat the human? I eat sharks. You eat sharks? I eat sharks. So you're not a hypocrite? I eat tuna. So if a shark eats a human... So you don't have a double standard there? You're consistent. Yeah, wrong place, wrong time. Not many people are consistent like that, though. Do you just want to try this, man? I mean, it's non-GMO. You can have some. I do. It's okay. Smells like me. Yeah, it's pretty good, man, eh? Like, it's got vitamin B12, GMO-free. It's a processed food, but we're trying to get people off the animal cruelty. That's our sort of... You know, I eat mostly whole foods, mostly fruits and whole grains and beans and legumes. I go veggie now and again for like a week or so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like pumpkin stuff. I eat cassava a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. I want some stuff on that. Do you want two or two? Yeah, you want one, Eddie? Okay. Just one. Just one. I wouldn't mind to hear your opinion. Have you eaten bacon recently? Not for a little while. Not for a little while. I haven't had to talk about too much. Red or brown? Sauce. Red? Yeah. I mean, the animals, they can't like... Because they have their rights taken from them. They can't protest for themselves. Like, if you have your rights taken, you can go out and protest in a democracy. I agree, I agree. These animals, they're stuck there. They're suffering and no one can help them. It's not... I think the UK one's not the worst though, is it? The UK's not too bad. Right. I don't know, because... Yeah, they're bad. Not like a virus. Yeah, well, it depends what you're comparing it to, but I think the UK's got a lot of factory farming here, so over 90% of the pigs, over 95% of the chickens are factory farmed. Some of the most horrible things I've ever seen have come out of UK farms. Really? Yeah. Like, this is the flat house farm that Viva exposed. I mean, there's just horrible in there. It's disgusting. You know, factory farming is always horrible. I know, I agree. I mean, there's always a spectrum, like, you know, you go into some farms, obviously there's less cruelty. Free range organic anyway. Yeah, and all of the free range pigs go to the gas chamber, but you already said to me... I know that, I worked at a shop. They came by four different farms, got killed in the same place. But it weren't that long, they were in a little pen. It wasn't bad to be honest. I was like, they're in a pen, and they're ushered into the lift, go down, gas, and back, you know. So for me, I still... But they say that the gasway is the humane way to kill them. They say that, but... I don't know. They're screaming for their lives in there, burning, trying to escape, because the CO2 reacts with their mucus and their eyes and their mouth. They're screaming in pain, or do you think they're screaming because they don't like it? Terrified, no, because the CO2 reacts with the mucus, it's like a can of coke, you know, it burns. It's called carbonic acid, and the CO2s, yeah, hurts them, and it's also terrifying for them, and they're suffocating and they're dying, you know. So, yeah. I mean, I just wouldn't do that to a dog. I mean, I just think it's wrong to do it to pigs. Yeah, again, like, you know when everyone goes mad about the Chinese, right? Yeah, hypocrites, yeah. Like, you know, they're always so terrible, these dogs are the poor, what do you know about it? You know, pigs are telling someone, I don't hate... I mean, they're not the most ethical people, are they? Do you think people who are against the dog meat trade should be, to be consistent, be also against... 100% Yeah, 100%. No, they eat dogs over there, that's what they do. So, you know, you eat pigs and you're going to criticise them for eating dogs. Yeah, I don't think we shouldn't eat either. I'm a common sense guy, yeah. If something makes sense, it makes sense. It's logical, it's logical, yeah. What about human beings? If we were doing this to human beings, what would you have a problem with it? Gas chambering them. It happens. Yeah, but would you have a moral problem with it? Yeah. Do you think that's consistent? It's hard to say. Do you think that's consistent? It's hard to say. I wouldn't be outpouring the question about it, you know. So, like, if they took people that weren't as smart as other people, let's just say they weren't as intelligent or something like that, like we think of animals. And we herded them up, put them in gas chambers to eat them. In this country, they're gonna eat them. Anywhere, yeah, right here, right now, like they do the pigs. Right here, right now, yeah. You'd have a problem. Okay, that's not... So, you've got a problem with it when it happens to us, but not when it happens to the animals. For some reason, I think... Maybe you think they're that far below us or we've always done it or something like that. Maybe. Yeah. Conditioning, pretty conditioning. Conditioning? But for me, I see that as a double standard because if we wouldn't want it done to us, we shouldn't be doing it to those that we ding lesser than us. It's a good point. Yeah. But then if a lion saw me walking around the plate, yeah, he would have to do it as well. I wouldn't murder you either, like a lion would murder you. Lions kill other people. I wouldn't go out killing other people. I think you deserve your rights. I wouldn't, you know, go out hurting people and their families if they didn't do nothing wrong. I'd protect them. Lions would come out and rip everyone to shreds. Like, I don't want to behave like a lion. I want to behave civilized and... How do you think of that? You think it's nice? There's no animals in there. It's made of plants. What do you think? Don't like it? Nah. He doesn't like it. Do you like it? Yeah, yeah, that's all right. It's got, like, a licorice you taste. Like, smoky or... No, licorice. Okay. I haven't eaten meat for seven years, so when I taste this, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. So when I taste this, I don't have that... It tastes artificial. Like, no, I eat pumpkin soup. I eat proper food. So you might like whole foods. Yeah. You might like beans and legumes. I eat animal soups with pumpkin and... Yeah. You're a real food tuk-tuk. That's... You might like long processed food. You might like processed food. Yeah. You're a horrible man. That's the thing, like, you can eat non-processed vegan food, too. You're not taking it. People will go on McDonald's and eat that crap, though. I don't need all that. Yeah, so you're more of a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I eat... You know, I eat... You're not to tell cows feet. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I make soup with... You eat oxtail. What are you on about? No, you did. You had an oxtail stew with parsley, so it was the best thing you'd ever had. She didn't know it was an animal, though, did she? Did she know what an ox is? She knows what an ox is? Do they know what... You know what an ox is. Do you know what an ox is? It's like a cow, yeah. Yeah. They're not really reacting very much to the footage. They haven't probably seen anything like that. They're pretty good. Yeah. I mean, she's an animal lover. She likes animals. Yeah, very much so. Both of them. But I mean, they're not... Would you let them make their choice if they didn't want to eat animals anymore? Would you let them? If they said, I don't like it, it's cruel or whatever. Yeah. She's a fan of dairy. Yeah. She loves dairy. But then... The goat milk industry's alright, isn't it? Yeah. There was recently a big expose. If you go onto Surge website, you'll see what happens in the goat milk industry. Um... Yeah. He has grown up on goat milk. Yeah. A lot of my family have grown up on goat milk. It's very good for you. Yeah. Without a doubt, you know, it's the closest thing to, they say, donkey milk, camel milk, goat milk. It's closest to the immense presence. Yeah. Digestible by your body. You're not supposed to be drinking cow's milk. I don't think you should be drinking milk from any other species at all. Yeah. Um... But, yeah, you should check out... I mean, her mum, her breast milk, weren't strong enough, so she weren't putting enough flesh in it. Okay, yeah, I get it. Right? So they got her on the formula, right? Yeah, and I was like, after that, I got her on goat milk. Okay. And all that formula's cracked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got her on the goat milk. She's got so strong, healthy, honest, best for never. Honestly, I saw the result, and she wouldn't eat anything she's drunk. She'd just suck my goat milk all day. Have a good evening. Take care, my brother. Take care. See you later, guys. No worries, mate. Good talking to you. Yeah. I accept your right to be vegan, but I don't think you allow me not to. Well, you're allowed to do whatever you want to do, but we're showing people what happens to the pigs. Some pigs. Yeah, most of the pigs. Over 90% of factory farmed in the UK. Um, and all of it, 100% of them are killed. Sorry, my friend? Oh, you mean like someone who has a backyard pig that they killed? Yeah. Okay. Is that where you get yours from? I buy it from the farm out there. Okay. Would you like to try something that hasn't got a pig in there at all? What are you going to offer me? We're going to make a bacon soundie without a pig in there. So when you buy your bacon from the farm shop, how do they kill the pigs in that situation? Shoot them. They shoot them in the head? Yeah. What do you think about that? Do you think that's ethical? Yeah. But would you say it's like ethical? Yeah. I mean, I've got a cat. Would you shoot your cat in the head? No. My cat bites the heads off mice. Yeah, I know. Cats aren't very ethical, are they? I don't really follow my moral compass by what a cat or dog does. They pee in public and... He bites the heads off mice. Yeah, they do. Don't know, but luckily we're civilized as human beings. Very interested to know what you think. It tastes like bacon? Honestly though, you can be honest as you want, brutally honest. You like it? All good? Awesome. That's great to hear. How do you feel about the fact that no one got shot in the head for it? Argentina. On the Pampers, you know? Okay. First of capital Rome for you on the Pampers. Yep. Every now and then the gallows go out and round a few of them up. Yep. They're taken to a licensed abattoir, regulated abattoir, cool. Well, how do you think the animals feel about that? They don't know it's gonna happen. They don't know, yeah. Do you reckon that makes it okay if they don't know? What about a world where we don't kill animals? Could you imagine that? No. No? Can't imagine a world where we don't kill animals. Animals don't kill each other. Or where humans don't kill each other, eh? I would like to know where humans don't kill each other but I can't see it happening. Yeah, me neither. But you don't agree with murder, though, do you? I've never thought of it. No, you wouldn't agree with it morally, no. Which is, I extend that to animals too. I don't think we need to kill them. We can obviously eat plants, so I don't think it's morally justified that we do it to them. You know? You kill my cat and you mustn't kill my. Yeah, we can't reason with a cat. We can only reason with human beings at this stage, but... There are polar bears and they say to you in these words, they say, you are on the menu. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's polar bears, isn't it? Polar bears will consider a human being prey. Yeah. Polar bears usually will think, ah, lunch. Yeah. Thanks so much. Well, you can't run away from a polar bear. No, no, no, you've got to be careful. They'll have a bore on each of his shoulders. They'll sink their teeth in the back of your neck. You won't know anything more after that. Yeah, I agree. They'll take it back to their den and fed to their cubs. I agree with you. I agree with self-defense from an animal trying to get you, but I just think when an animal is vulnerable and innocent, I don't think we should kill them if we can eat plants. That's my position. Okay, you're entitled to that. Yeah, yeah. You don't agree? No, I'm totally agree. No, you don't entirely agree? I eat less meat than a lot of people. Yeah. I eat at most meals, but smaller portions, you know. Yeah. But I'm discerning about the meat that I buy. Yeah, yeah. I mean... I mean, not all avatars are like those. Well, 86% of all pigs in the UK, in England and Wales, are killed in the gas chambers that you just saw. So statistically, over 90% of the pigs in the UK are factory farmed and, you know, and 100% of them are slaughtered. So there are those bolt gunned or stabbed in the throat, whatever method or gas chamber or electrically prodded and... So... You won't be having turkey at Christmas then? Only for cuddles. Only for turkey hugs at Christmas. We'll be going to visit at the sanctuary where they're protected. Yeah, we go to the sanctuary where they're protected. None of them become anyone's Christmas dinner. No, they'll live out their lives in the sanctuary and, you know, they'll get to experience their reality without being experiencing a slaughterhouse. So... Yeah. Oh well, see you. Peace to you, mate. They're sniffing the towels off. Do you know why they do that? They're a pair of scissors. Yeah, do you know why they're doing that? Because they chew each other's fingers. Yeah, cannibalism. Because they're in confinement. Yeah. This is England and Australia. England and Australia. Yeah, of course, brother. Do you want a sandwich? I'm on a diet. Watch my figure. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. This is a gas chamber. Thanks for this. UK. Thank you, mate. No worries. They got one out in Manchester. How long ago was that? Sorry? This footage? This is recent. This particular gas chamber is in Melbourne, Australia, and it's one out in Manchester. And most of the pigs here are killed in exactly the same way. How long ago was that? Well, they're doing it right now. So there's a gas chamber operating in Manchester right now. They're operating everywhere. England and Wales, 86% of pigs are killed in gas chambers. That's a death for a statistic from 2019. We've given out some information anyway. Yeah. Just how to avoid cruelty. I've seen these videos on YouTube. Yeah. This is a whole lot of horses and cows in, like, what looks like a huge blender. A rendering plant. A rendering plant. It's alive and it just goes straight in. Yeah. It pops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's horrible. What's the difference between eating a horse and eating a pig or a cow? Ethically. Not much, really. But it's a principle. That you don't know what you're eating. I reckon horses are probably better to eat than cows and pigs. Better? Yeah, they're probably better. Healthier? Yeah. What about from an ethical perspective? When the racing horses break a leg or something. Yeah. They just kill them. Yeah, the knackery. Yeah, I know. They kill them when they retire. They kill them if they don't make it into the racing industry as well. Yeah. Yeah, well, they're breeding these pigs just to kill them at six months old. So people can have a five minute sandwich. Kids is like less than three months. Yeah, about 42 days, six weeks or something. Yeah, they're just little babies and people are eating. And they're so fat by the time they're born. Yeah. It's horrible. They're suffering in factory farms. Ammonia, yeah. You don't eat chicken then. Sometimes I do. Yeah. Sometimes it's the only places to eat food in the years. It's nothing else. It's like, well, the kids eat it themselves. There's a good guide in here, man. I mean, I know you screwed it up and you probably won't look at it. I'm going to look at it later. But there's a good app. Look, if you care about animal cruelty, it only makes sense that you stop paying for it. I don't care about the environment either. Yeah, which is... I don't pay for it. It's just like expensive. If you buy, like, vegan food, you need somewhere to do it. You need a particular garden. You need... Subway's got vegan options there, man. There's vegan options all around, man. You've got to know where to find them. Oh, yeah. You can get tofu and vegetables and rice there. Do you eat all that? Sorry? Do you eat all that? Yeah, 100%. I love tofu, vegetables and rice. I've never been to cutting down the rainforest or anything like that. Most of the soy is being fed to the animals, man. So the amount of soy we eat is humans. Most of the soy have been grown in the Amazon. I know. The tofu that... We get that tofu, those soy from the EU. Most of the soy we're eating... Of course, yeah, but nothing like what animal agriculture does to the Amazon. You're talking about the soy that goes to the chickens and the cattle. You can make a difference by your day-to-day choices and, like, I think it's a big impact by just choosing vegan options where you can. Nah. Nah, we rely on people's good conscience, that's all. Peace, brother. Started walking away from me then. I couldn't get out of... I couldn't complete my sentence, but I was... I wanted to complete my sentence, but I couldn't... Interrupting, but yeah. Appealing... Appeal to futility at the end, but... Hey, guy mate, have you seen this before? Sorry? Have you seen this before? No, actually this is my job, that's why I'm here. Ah, slaughter worker? Do you work in the slaughterhouse? Yeah. Whereabouts here in London or...? Ashford. Shitting Ashford.