 What about COVID-19 and excess deaths? So I have this question from, and this is of course a big issue for RFK, but I've got this question from my listener, Jim Wilde. He says he's a long-time objectivist and he has a few questions for me. And one of them is, you know, he says, he's always been concerned about COVID-MRNA vaccines for they have never been severely tested on humans. That's just not true. And had never been tested on long-term effects, no drug is really tested on long-term effects if you think about years and decades there'd be no drugs on the market if they were tested on that. Indeed, no treatment is really tested on long-term effects. You'd have no innovation if you waited until long-term effects to rise up. So he's very suspicious of the uncanny number of people in my direct environment experienced great side effects including death within weeks. And in some cases, I was after getting the COVID-19 jab. Interesting fact, nobody in my extended environment, I know a lot of people has died following a COVID vaccine, nobody. I mean, nobody has even got really bad side effects from the COVID-19 vaccine in my, I know a lot of people. I travel a lot around the world. I meet a lot of people, nobody. Now I don't know if that's just me, that's something unique. I don't know, but we've all been vaccinated and nobody that I know of has had any serious side effects. Not saying that some people don't get serious side effects. Nobody that I know has died, nobody. But I keep meeting people who say, oh, I know a lot of people. And I wonder if you actually made a list and of the people they actually know if they named them and everything, how many they really are. Anyway, he says, never have you trusted big government or it's corporate disconies and big pharma. Do you mean these corporate conists that constantly produce drugs that save the lives of millions of people around the world whose vaccines have saved the lives of hundreds of millions of people around the world over the last, you know, 70, 80 years or whatever. That big pharma. And also of course, remember mRNA vaccines. What is the relation between mRNA vaccines and big pharma? Well, Pfizer, okay, Pfizer. But Pfizer didn't really develop the mRNA vaccine. Who developed the mRNA vaccine? Anybody know? I mean, two companies, Moderna, and it was called, I had it on the tip of my tongue a second ago. BioNTech, BioNTech. Is BioNTech big pharma? BioNTech big pharma? No, BioNTech is a small, biotech company was a small, made a lot of money, but it was a small biotech company out of Germany run by two Turkish immigrants, right? That's big pharma. What about Moderna? Moderna was a startup with really no product, no real revenue. Big pharma, wasn't big pharma. So COVID-19 vaccine was not produced by big pharma. Other than Pfizer, who teamed up with BioNTech, but the real science was BioNTechs, not big phamas. Anyway, don't trust big pharma, don't trust the CDC, considered media, censorship of Facebook and other media and all of that. Fauci and the rest of government here on the board spoken one voice at it to the famous actors, doctors, da, da, da, da. And then he gives me a million links to all the stuff, all the people who think that COVID vaccines are bad for you. Well, bad for you and kill you, basically, kill you. Excess deaths have increased because of COVID vaccines. All right, so let me say for the, I don't know how many a time, that I believe that all that stuff, all those links, all those doctors, John Campbell and everybody else and a bunch of others, I don't know, I don't know, Olson and there's a bunch of them that have made now a career. They've made gazillions of dollars for my New York Times writer, Berenson, I think, who made millions of dollars on this lie about COVID-19, about the vaccines. I don't believe a word they say. I don't trust anything they do. Again, I have watched their videos. Every time I've looked at the data, every time I've taken one of their claims and actually gone into the papers and looked at their data, they're lying or they're deceiving or they're misrepresenting, they're just wrong. Now, I can't do that for every claim they make. I can do that for every single paper. I can do that because they can arbitrarily make claims at infinitum. But after a few, after you discover somebody's wrong one, two, three times, I don't have to trust them anymore. If you discover I'm wrong and I won't admit it and so on and I keep pushing the same line but I'm blatantly wrong three times, stop listening to my show. Scott is not going, okay, I have to stop. But why do you listen if somebody's unreliable? Why listen? Why take him seriously? I can't take any of these people seriously. And I don't. Again, not randomly, but because I've tried. So that's one. First, if you have the statistical knowledge, if you can read a scientific paper, at least somewhat, I'm not pretending that I know this inside out, I don't. But I can read a paper, I can read the conclusions up to a point, I can look at the data a little bit, I can look at the stats to see if they make any sense or not. If you have that ability and you look at the data and you see that it's wrong, wrong, and then it's wrong, then you stop trusting these people. That's one. So that's one criteria. Just look if they lied or not. Look if they're trustworthy or not. Two. Most of us are not doctors. Most of us are not epidemiologists. Most of us are not biologists, pharmacy experts, and we're not going to go do the research. We're not going to go do the lab work. We don't have the knowledge to evaluate many of these claims. So how do you evaluate the claims? Well, you look for people you trust. So let's take the COVID vaccine. I know a lot of doctors. A lot of doctors. Partially because I come from a family of doctors. My father's a doctor. My father's doctors have cousins who are doctors. I have a niece who's a doctor. I'm missing doctors. Anyway, most of my father's friends are doctors. I've hung around doctors since I was a kid. I've hung around hospitals since I was a kid. I know doctors. A lot of doctors. And doctors I trust. My dad, his reputation in Israel was as one of the best doctors in the country. Not to say he couldn't make mistakes, but I trust my dad as a doctor. So I have a lot of family with doctors. Then I have acquaintances and friends who are doctors. A lot of them. People I know. People I'm friendly with. People I'm acquainted with. A lot of doctors all over the place. Then I have a lot of doctors. I just do. I have a concierge doctor in California. And before this doctor, I had a different one. Another doctor. I'm talking about medical doctors. And then I have a doctor here in Puerto Rico. Again, I have one now, but you can call it at somebody else. And all of these doctors are my doctors, because I vetted them, because I chose them, because I trust them. Because they seem to know what they're talking about. About healthcare. And then the doctors I kind of follow on, like I'm reading a book now by Dr. Peter Atia, who I recommend, Dr. Peter Atia, on Lifespan, which I'm still relatively early on in the book, but I so far highly recommend. Highly recommend. Sounds really good. A lot of my doctors, like my concierge doctors in California, and this doctor, are not Atia. They're not conventional doctors. They're more functional medicine kind of doctors. So I know a lot of doctors. Friendly a lot of friends with a lot of doctors. Friends with, and have a lot of family who's doctors. Now these people I believe I trust more than I trust some random doctor who goes online and who says COVID is going to kill you. I mean, COVID vaccines are going to kill you. Because I know them. Because I vetted them. And I'm sure you know doctors, you have a doctor. You could check around other doctors, but you find people who know. People with knowledge who you can trust. It's not easy. I'm in a good situation with who got the doctors because I have a lot of connections. And if I wanted, you know, if I get sick with something really bad, there's a lot of people I can call to get advice, to figure out what the best treatment is, to do all that. Who I trust. And of all the doctors I know, of all the doctors I know, I don't know, 30, 40, 50. This, you know, something like that. Dozens of doctors I know. There's only one. Only one who is skeptical about vaccines. Nobody else's. Not a single one of these other doctors are. And about COVID vaccines, not a single one of them. I don't know. My dad has had the vaccine. He's been, I don't know. He's been boosted two, three times. I don't know how many they allow in Israel. Is my dad poisoning himself on purpose? Is he going against his own medical knowledge? Can he not read the medical papers? Does he not know mRNA? Ooh, it's never been tried on humans. Of course it's been tried on humans. Moderna and BioNTech have been trying mRNA vaccines on humans for years now. They haven't been successful, but they know they don't harm. Are the vaccines risk-free? Of course not. No medication is risk-free. You take Advol, it's not risk-free. You take Tylenol, it's not risk-free. No medication. No medication that you take is risk-free. Are there certain age groups where COVID vaccines can cause heart problems? Yes. We knew this from relatively early on. And I indeed argued early on that I don't think young people should get vaccines. Certainly not. I didn't think children should get vaccines. I think healthy young people probably didn't need the vaccine. I didn't think it was a problem if they got it, but I didn't think they needed it. Why? Because COVID was not a threat to them. Not a significant threat. By the way, a bigger threat than the vaccine, but not that big of a threat. And if you look, so that's a second thing. A third thing, I'll just say this is simple. You don't need a degree in statistics for this. If you look at countries, if you look at the 10 most vaccinated states in the United States, versus the 10 least vaccinated states in the United States, just look at that. The 10 states most vaccinated, highest percentage vaccination. The ones with the least percentage vaccination. And you look at excess deaths. It's not even close during COVID and post-COVID. The states with the least number of vaccinated people have the most deaths. By a lot. I mean controlled for this size of population. By a lot. It's not even close. It's not even close. So, you know, I throw up my hands because it is shocking the extent to which people are open, receptive to conspiracy theories and with good reason we don't trust the quote political authorities. All right? But it doesn't mean if you don't trust the political authorities, I don't trust the political authorities. It doesn't immediately mean that I have to trust the kookiest, craziest nutcase who comes in the corner spouting the latest ridiculous conspiracy theory. You don't trust the political authorities. Search for better authorities. I mean, the right position has always been anti-lockdowns, anti-mandates, pro-vaccines. I mean, it's easy. Why is that so hard for people? That's anti-the political authorities, pro-science. Anti-lockdowns, anti-mandates, pro-vaccines. That's been my position from day one. From day one. I was never for mandates. Now, can private companies mandate? Sure. Private companies can mandate you wear a mask. Private companies can mandate you take a vaccine. But is the government mandate? Absolutely not. And should companies mandate vaccines? Probably not. It's none of their business. It's mostly, particularly once we discover the vaccines were not very effective at preventing transmission, then why would companies even do that other than virtue signal? So, but this is a position people can't hold. No, if you're anti-lockdowns and if you're anti-mandate, you must be anti-vaccines. No, I'm not. Frustrating, frustrating. So, Jim, no, I think the entire field of COVID vaccine, excess death, people are dying from the vaccine, is complete nonsense. It is a self-perpetuating money machine for these people. They are lying. They're making stuff up. And I talked about this years ago. I talked about when the first guy showed up on Brett Weinstein calling himself the inventor of the discovery, the inventor of mRNA vaccines. And I looked him up and he turned out to be one in a team that had originally done some of the work that would later lead to mRNA vaccines. An inventor of mRNA vaccines was a completely bogus title. And Brett Weinstein would take him seriously. He was bizarre. And then you read up his bio and you read that he was kicked out of the team and he had to leave the whole field and he had to go into medicine because he couldn't do any research anymore because he was kicked out and that he was basically a disgruntled employee or disgruntled somebody who thought he deserved credit and never got the credit. He deserved. Other people got prizes for the discovery. He did not. All of this stuff. When you discover all of that, then yeah, it's just a disgruntled thing. And now he's found a way to get back at them and he's also found a way to make a lot of money by claiming that mRNAs are killing you. mRNA will go down, mRNA vaccines because COVID use is just, I think, the tip of the iceberg of how they're going to be used. It's going to go down as one of the great biotech innovations. It's already in the process of radically altering treatments of cancer. There are a number of mRNA cancer delivery systems and vaccines that are having phenomenal results in cancer treatment. And yes, they bear risk. All drugs, all drugs, any drug that is prescribed or even over the counter drug. I mean, if you've ever read the disclaimers, the side effects on pretty much every drug, scary spooky stuff, scary, scary spooky stuff. On any one of those, any one of those channels. 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