 In your chapter on Muhammad Ali for instance, you talk of nationalism in the US and you are not nationalistic enough I think that's something that has come now and because we didn't have that same kind of media that like now We have that kind of media which has that power which has all the satellite channels. Yeah It's a very masculine angry and Do you think there is a certain kind of similarity Between that time when they when people who didn't want in the US who didn't want to join the war and now you have to sort of Fall in the line of this is what is nationalism is? I'm sure in America in the US, which is a Center of I'm sure they were very robust and masculine Media houses that you know the gung-ho spirit. Let's go out and kick ass It's a kind of but Despite that How did the questioning process start in America because across the world it started when I think Body bags are coming back of American soldiers killed over there but more important was you had the fact that you had a System where people had to join the forces in America. What is it called? Word for it. They had to be drafted. Yeah. Yeah draft. Yeah the draft So they could they could question. Yeah, well, you know what what for you know what for Now there's no draft because it's a better fellow explains, you know Mortillaro My locksmith so now they require now they become mercenaries because you know, you can't question the war But these are questioning and and then also you had you must remember that a lot of there were a lot of thinkers at that Time who contributed to this, you know, and I'm sure I'm there's a fellow in Berkeley I forget his name not the philosopher of Namna. Yeah, that I'm growing old But there are a lot of thinkers and writers and Bertrand Russell hold in the damn room walk I'm striving in Stockholm taking to you know, all this is happening and the campus is also played a role the campuses Across across the world. They played a very strong role in mobilizing opinion and Do you think but do you think that that has that it's a moment that India has to face now? It's like our Vietnam moment in a way. I think so. I think I know the and the revolt has started It has started it started it takes time to manifest itself You know, we all those universities, etc. JNU and FTI at the NID and but they can all kinds of places It happened and you see the revolt and then you writers and painters and musicians that What what is that the whole thing happened and you've got I'm other party victory over here. These are all these are all symptoms. They're all of a larger idea Our revolt, you know, and it does take form and shape and it'll and it'll happen there's been an upsurge of an independent Documentary and filmmaking movement in India too in the last few years like much as the censorship has been very heavy Yeah, there has been an opposite wave almost that okay The more you censor the more films will make and the more people know about it Yeah, the more we will show these films in separate outside of film festivals official Investigation different kinds of festivals. Do you think that's that's something that that's there's a glimmer of hope in the film Absolutely, absolutely You know the the thing with with with with with with with any Fist that is trying to crush. They don't never realize it spills of a talk on the dinner A lot of things happen along with that, you know, and it's going to happen and yeah Look This country has been through a hell of a lot over 70 years It can't be put back into the into the bottle again. The genie is out The genie is out You do you know have you been to Kashmir I've been there they've lost the fear of death They've lost the fear of the army It's incredible. Nobody's talking about it They don't mind dying So how many people can the army kill? It's an incredible thing these same quiet people have lost the fear of the CRPF or the BSF or the army the parenting stone that How did it happen? How did it is after years and years of shit? The kind of guy that tiredness in the soul They've seen too much Tragedy is we have not understood it Right, we were understood it really the best thing is what you've said that the genie is out and it can't be put back Yeah, the genie is out and it's out in the campuses is out in the campus out in the streets and And it's out in the street because it is it is out in the streets and that the denny election Nobody's talking about it. I'm talking about it it out on the street and ordinary people and they took on the And This they said what they had to say So Mirza say on that note my final question to you will be about the early chapters about the how you grew up in You call it a mural Chonseca yeah, and so many stories about that place I Mean this is only a glimpse as it was much more car much more colorful. It was incredible Absolutely, I didn't tell you what the behind the behind that there was the driver's quarters, you know and the people who Incredible and the relationship Anyway, but there is that one place in fact where you say that You were offered during it you offered sweets and it came back That's like one person. Yeah, she returned the switch to your house and your sister was curious But there's also a moment of compassion and you say that okay I understand the pain that this woman might have gone through But at the same time it seems to be a place where people are living together And it seemed to me a microcosm of what you call your travels around India Yeah, that person microcosm of middle stroke upper middle class existence middle and upper middle class It wasn't the poor Okay, very important. There's a difference, but it's a pretty large section of society across section of it. Yeah, it was and Yeah, and it allowed people from different parts. Oh, absolutely Do you think that the vision of India you grew up in the house you grew up in it allowed for different people to come That's why that's why when I made Naseem. It's like an epitaph of an Asian It's an epitaph because you see The idea of an Indian which is you know, which is personified in a constitution That's what he said is what we want our nation to be we presented this this image of this Dhancha to ourselves as a people into the world. This is what India is all about is the Constitution and there's a lot of poetry in it And it's all being eroded over time So I made Naseem Which was the epitaph over Much beyond Mr. Kya Khil Nani fellow idea of India no because no the idea of India But then you started traveling and you regain faith again, you know, just Thank you very much for your time. We hope that Nick is an is another book coming out I've got to understand this book. I had a Part to okay to understand this book. I've got to write another book to understand this book That's true where I went right and where I went wrong. I will be stopping you outside I see as I was this time to interview again when that book comes up. 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