 If you had one thing to change about Africa, what would it be? Dependency on the Wests. Come back to Africa. Africa, there is nothing to change other than our mentality. There is nothing we don't have. Money is not out there. Money is in Africa. Gold, stone, food, free rain, rainfall, good weather. You walk around and you eat without spending a coin. So when they say that in Africa we live on less than a dollar, I don't know whether they know how much food we eat. A plate of our food, if I went to their restaurants, they would be buying it for 20 pounds. But here I am. I'm eating it three times a day. So we are rich. It's our mentality that better things are out there, no. The best things are within us. And they are in our soil. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. I can't believe that there is a Kenyan living in Uganda. OK. Because you guys are neighbors. You should just stay in Kenya. Why are you in Uganda? Yeah, but we are East Africans and we are allowed to settle anywhere we want. And how long have you settled in here? 23 years to be precise in Uganda, but not here. In the bush here, about four, five years. You're living in the bush. What brought you to Uganda? Love. Oh, wow. The people in here love you. It's powerful. Yeah, someone just came and told me, I love you. And I followed. But it was also Kenyan. That time he was a Kenyan, he came to work here. So I followed. And I've never gone back, yes. So love brought you here? It did. So the love of your life still lives here? Still does. He's the main investor. That's amazing. Where is he? In Kampala, but over the weekend he comes to the farm. Or maybe any other day when it is critical. How? As a farm manager. How is Uganda so far? That's beautiful. Nothing, nothing can make you go anywhere else. OK, for me, I love the country. Don't ask me why I don't like Kenya. I do in a special way, but Uganda is more special. That would have been my next question. But when it comes to Africans here, when we're looking for greener pastures, we don't think about the nearby country. We think about go to the west. If you settled in the nearby country, nobody told you that. Why Uganda? Yes, it's a bit magical. Yes, some of the whole think that greener pastures are in UK, US, lately Saudi Arabia. But it depends on what you're focusing on. The beauty of life you're looking for. Specifically, I come from Mount Kenya region that's where I was born, so I have been born in a farm. And when I came and see, I saw these green grass and trees which never dry up. That excited my heart, and I couldn't resist. This is your greener pastures? You know, let me tell you. There's some magic in Ugandan food. The matoke? You'll do the matoke and the binyayewa, the grown-ups and the dodo. You'll never go back. There's the naturalness in their food. When you go harvesting fruits everywhere, you go back to the hunters and gather as a stage and it is modern world, you just feel nice. I just love you. What are you doing in here at the moment? Yes, welcome to my farm. This is Mashambani. I settled here in 2018 to be precise, but I was a telephone farmer before that. So just behind there are the goats which have kept me coming over to enjoy my life with the birds. You hear them, see? Yeah. Yeah, yes. Would you want to go and see? Why not? Is that a tractor? Yeah, it is. It's a baby tractor. A baby tractor? What do you use this for? Yeah, for carrying grass for the goats, for the feeds. Oh, actually, this is what you take you to Kenya. Yeah, would you want to have a ride? No. To have a ride? Yeah. No, I just want to go back to Nairobi. Can't take you anywhere. I miss Ugarli. The speed. Hey. It's just to ensure that the gear is free. How do I ensure that? Shake it, OK. Beautiful. Start it. Where's the horn? OK. No, the sound alone can tell you the tractor is coming. Let me know how it all started. OK, the history of the farm starts as a private, I would call it a family source of milk. Because I had kids, two boys who could not handle the cow milk. They would always react to it. And therefore, we go home for a holiday. And my mother-in-law gives us milk. And they give the boys milk, and they don't react. The next day, they don't react. And we say, wow, goat's milk, of all other things. And the week, they were safe. So we decided, when we come to Uganda, let's have a goat. And we got one goat, but it was lonely. It was following us in the bedroom, in the toilet. Everywhere you go, you have a goat as a goat. So we decided to get two more and a male. And within six months, we had seven babies and 10 liters of milk. It was excess. We didn't need it. We needed only two liters per day. And therefore, neighbors, do you want some milk? Do you want some milk? Of course, the rejection levels were very high. But those who wanted it, wanted it passionately. So they went talking about it. Those who wanted passionately, you know, with the passion spreads. So they got people who said, yeah, where are you getting your goat's milk from? So the demand now becomes higher than what we have. We see an opportunity. We roll in. Here we go. But it is not as smooth as it sounds. Because when we started, we started in 2013, I think our first goat was in 2012. Yeah, 2012. 2014, they multiplied so much. So they couldn't be contained in Kampala, Rubaga. So we brought them to the farm. We just bought the few acres in the farm down near the lake. And they multiplied very fast to 124 goats. In 2015, actually, we had about 124 with other babies. Telephone farming again. We didn't change any structure. We thought everything would be fine. Six months later, we had 24 goats. They were all dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. And we picked up the 24. We brought them in the first structure because we were trying to expand when we saw the goats had started. So we felt that place was very cold. So let's expand to a drier place. So we were building this structure. And by the time we came, we came with 24 goats. Very miserable goats. And three died later. We were left with 21. I would tell you, we would get babies. 41 babies, they all die. Why were they dying? You know, we were doing telephone farming. Nobody knew about diary goats. It was also very far for vets. And the project that time was so small to employ a permanent vet. And even if we had a vet who was visiting, they also didn't understand the dynamics of diary goats. They were more familiar with cows, pigs, dogs. But treating a goat in Africa is not a normal thing. Goats' brows, goats never get sick. Exactly. So when you tell them to treat a goat, they would just treat like a cow. And the death rate was massive. But we also say that it was partly negligence because as they expanded, we should also have expanded the facilities and also expanded the workforce, trained them. But we also trained. You know, this was a project which just sprung up. So, but we learned our lessons. That was cool fish, pigs. And we started from there. Probably we got a few more goats afterwards. But what you can see comes now from there. 20 goats which remained. Plus maybe one or two goats which joined us later. The only changing factor was the males. We've had since 2016, we've had more than seven males because for every one year and eight months, a male has to live. That has changed continuously. But for the females, I think, apart from the 20 which we started, we, in 2021, we've added maybe one or two. Which I don't even remember, which we added. And how many goats do you have now then? I think we have about 200. 200 plus on the females. Then we have about 60 something males. Diary goats. Diary. And a specific gene is, the breed is sunnen. We prefer sunnen. So we are going to the mothers and we can go straight to the milking people. I'm sure they have not yet finished. Do you have a cow here? Yes, we use those cows to feed our kids. What do you mean? You don't use goat's milk to feed the goat's babies. We use cow milk to feed the cow babies. You use goat's milk? No. Goat's milk to sell. Yeah, but you use cow milk to feed the goat's babies. So. Don't you ask why? Yeah, they don't eat grass. They are goats, why do they drink milk? Okay, babies, we separate the babies from their mothers at five days. These are kids. Okay, I would call these ones teenagers. The babies are the other side. We have two generations of babies or kids, whatever you call them. Of course in English, they are supposed to be called kids, but a mother will call them babies. So they have, from day five, they are bought or fed up to four months. So every day somebody has to go and feed them. I think he's almost, he's finishing to milk and then he goes to feed them. He's actually there. Can we run and see how they are fed? What is he doing right now? Now he's putting milk for the next batch. They go six, six, six. It's easier to feed them when they are few. This can take 15, but it will be very hard to control them. Okay. Yeah, so you'd rather have six, six, six until you're finished and then you'll go to the babies and feed them also. This is the cow milk? Yeah, this is the cow milk. As concentrated as it was milked, you don't dilute it at all. But it has to be warm. Just like the way it comes from the cow, that temperature. So in case he has leftovers, he has to dip them in warm water, in actual hot water to get that right temperature. Hmm. Yeah. 28 to that. This is like feeding water, man. Never seen it like this before. Trust me, never seen it. That's the magic of bringing up kids. And when you do this, you're able to detect when a kid is not feeding very quickly. Because if a kid rejects milk and the way they love milk, you definitely know that the kid is sick. So immediately you have to start working on the kid. Yes. But when they are with the mothers, you can think the kid has fed and yet, the kid hasn't fed. It's already sick, yeah. And there is a tendency. Finally, there is a tendency that immediately a mother gets sick even to his breastfeeding, the kid also gets sick, yeah. Oh, they're in a hurry, man. Yeah, okay. So, yeah. Oh, every batch is six? Yeah, six, six. Okay. So these are the people who milk. So they have to come wash their hands again, pick the buckets, and then they pick the one jerican is having warm water. Okay. And they put the milking salve on top so that it will be faster for them. Okay. And then the other hand is carrying the bucket, of course. So, let us join them. How many times do you milk the goats in a day? Yeah, it's twice, just like a cow, morning, evening. By eight, they are supposed to be done. And then by 4.30 to five. Wow. Yes. I love the fact that they've taken hygiene precautions very seriously. I'm actually in the goat farmhouse where all the goats are here. And I can breathe, man. Like, it smells so good. I mean, you don't even smell anything. Wow, this is so cool. I have never seen goat milk before. Never have I even tasted goat milk. You are drinking. I'm a big fan of cow milk. Cow milk? Yes. So I want to know what is so unique about goat milk. Okay. The goat milk, I may not be a scientist to explain the detail. And what I've also seen by experience is that once you take milk, the digestion is faster. The evacuation is faster compared to cow milk. Now, why do people complain? Many people complain about cow milk. It's because the molecules are smaller and they kind of, it takes long to go down our zigzag in the stomach. And therefore, they bloat as it's being digested. Now, the magic about the goats is immediately you take that milk, I would bet, even the slowest digestion takes two hours. So it helps you even push what I'd refuse to go out. Don't mistake it with running. No. But what it does, it helps you digest quickly and extracts. I think... And many people are using it for weight loss. It's so hard. Please, what is the best way to lose weight without working out? Okay, but you can walking. Walking a lot and eating healthy. No. Okay, I think I need to ask the question right. What is the best way to eat full full banku and still lose weight? Yes. I found a remedy. No exercise, just goat milk. No. Eat carefully. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. If you don't have it down, take goat milk. Goat milk and... Yes, but it also has an opposite effect on babies, especially the yogurt. The yogurt gives babies weight. And the milk, I don't know why it is opposite. When grown-ups take it, it reduces them. When the babies take it, they get better. Probably because babies keep on evacuating, they want food every now and then. I have never known why. But we've had especially cases of special children who have been put on a diary goat's meal. That is the yogurt and the milk. And within two months, the babies have gained tremendously. And you know, those babies are very difficult to have fresh. So that is what one of the farm... And the people who encouraged us to continue, they were using the goat's milk and we gave them some seed. So that they can continue feeding their babies. How many liters do you produce in a day? It depends on the season. It should be between 45 to 70. So now, he is giving the supplementation after the milking. Oh! Yes. So each goat has a tray. Each goat has... Each goat has a tray. Oh, tray for food? For food, yeah. And they have a bowl for water. Yes. These guys are chilling. And they are living their best lives. Eh? Like, the owner is a millionaire, you know? So they have their own milk, they have their own bowl for water and everything. Does it mean that the feed with the diary goat and the ones that we know is different? I would... The one for meat? Is it the same? You'll feed them but the returns, you know, you're calculating the input versus the return. So in case you have to invest in this because this is a high cost, then are you able to return it? Definitely, the meat goats will also love to eat this. But will you be able to recover that? Okay. Yeah. We are able to feed this because every day they are giving us milk. Oh! Milk and they are giving us money. Is it profitable? I would say yes, depending on your levels of operation and also depending on your goals. But basically, diary goats are supposed to be profitable. Absolutely, they are supposed to be. Because even if you do simple mats... Let's do the simple mats. Simple mats, a goat will give you, let's say a minimum of 2 liters per day. You'll sell a liter at 8,000, so that is 16,000. So if you are able to get, let's do a goat. So in the 16,000, even if you're supplementing one kilo of supplementation in the morning, one kilo is 1,000, another kilo, so you give supplementation of 2,000. You still have your 14,000. Then you have the labor. Water bills in case you have. I don't have water bills. So basically, it's supposed to be profitable. This looks like a male goat. Male goat, one on one. When I was here, I was like, how can male goat be milked? The female, no. The male goats are housed in a separate chamber. You see that place? Really? Yeah, they are completely separated from the female's one because we don't want any smell. By the way, that is a detail when you're building. You need to ensure that the wind flows pasts. You don't allow the males to be in front of the females. They always need to be at the back of the females because they have that distinct smell. And that smell can easily be transferred to the milk. So, and also that smell can make your goats keep on getting on heat when you don't want to. So you have to keep them at a distance and on the leeward side. Yes. And that's where they cage to there. When the wind comes, it comes from the lake, definitely, and it climbs up. Do you have a value addition? Yes, but we don't do the value addition here at the farm. We do it in Kampala. That's where our processing room is. Oh, wow. And then the products, basically the products are sold in Kampala. Even if I do the value addition here, you see in the infrastructure to come here. Oh my God, look at that. The struggles, man. The struggles. OK, move, move, move. Move. It's not very nice on the distance. So you'll lose some products along the way. Oh, OK. And they need a lot of refrigeration. So we milk, refrigerate, ensure we have attained the temperatures. Then it is taken to the lake. And within one hour, it's in the next fridge, ready for processing. It's taken to the lake? Yeah, we transport our milk through the lake. You have a lake here? We are on Lake Victoria. We are on the shores of Lake Victoria. We should be going to the lake anyway. How long does it take you from the lake? It's just 10 minutes. On water? On water. And then it is in Kampala. So this is a playground for the kids. The other go here. They go out. That's point. Yes. This is got a living soft life, man. So all those babies who are on the other side also need an outing. So they are supposed to come and play here. They also don't eat from outside. They don't know how to eat from outside. So they come and play on the tires and then they are returned back. They are feeding. Yeah, they are now feeding. And our babies have started knowing how to bite. Our two weeks old babies have started knowing how to bite. But some are not completely. They are not interested at all, at all. Is this a stage? Yeah, they are two weeks old. So they have not yet known how to eat. These ones are three months, almost, almost three months. And this one is our sick bay from here onwards. This is our sick bay. In case our goat is critical, it's brought here to recuperate. But right now we don't have any sick goats. So they are just sitting there as they wait to be pushed to these other sides. There are times when they get sick and you have to put them on a drip. Yes. Yeah. So you have to tie your drip, put it there, drop it, and ensure that the goat comes back. How does it feel like being a female entrepreneur in Uganda? And especially a farmer? Yeah. I would say it's a beautiful experience because I've also been employed for a while. I retired in 2015. I retired in 2014, but released in 2015. So it feels nice to be in control. But I will also say that it's a challenge. It's quite a challenge, especially for a startup. Because inasmuch as I was having the goats, I was not taking it as a business enterprise for me. It was a hobby that time. That's why we could afford a phone now for me. But then it also becomes challenging when you really want to discuss issues about goats and you find that, oh, what does a woman know? They feel that you have really not been on the ground. And yet, you've actually been there. More than the men who feel that they have been on the ground. But all the same, I would say the Ugandan community respects women, whether you're a man or a woman, doesn't matter as long as you know your stuff. Do you think Uganda has opened up for all the Africans to invest in here? I would say absolutely, yes. And I think our country, I would call it our country. Our country just loves investors. And I don't think there is any sector which is closed. Because personally, I would want to say that the government has been very supportive. In case I have an outbreak here, I've never heard, but any time they detect that there is an outbreak in Mukolo, the first person to call me is the DVO, the District Veterinary Officer. Hi, Purity Mashambani, are you aware that there is this and this happening? I say, oh, no, I'm not aware. No, it has reached here. I need to come to your farm, or I'm sending a vet to your farm to immunize your goods. And within five hours, the guys are here. So I would say that at a dozen months, whether you are Nigerian, you are Ugandan, you're okay, as long as you're investing, you're employing Ugandans, you're feeding Ugandans, the government will always stand by you. Would you advise the youth of Africa to go into good dairy farming? It's a very big yes. And when you look at my farm, basically, I have only the youth, and I believe they're the ones who have the energy to do this type of work. As you've now seen, now, is dairy goods are labor-intensive, and they need some energy and some vigor. The beauty about dairy goods is that once you have your dairy goods, it has given birth. Once you start milking, you start getting the money immediately. So it's instant cash, which every youth needs. And you don't need so much space. You saw the cubes, one times two. One meter by one and a half, one meter by two meters, every youth can be able to cut some shrubs and make some structure. You don't need to have huge capital. Does youth really want to be rich? And we don't think agriculture can make us rich. Of course, if you want quick money, farming, generally farming, is not for quick money. It is for those people who want to grow remediously. Farming as a business, you must have patience. It is not a quick fix, yeah. But if you're looking at sustainability and also as you're also looking for something to do, you can start doing the goats. Would I say that my son is very passionate about goats, he's in the university, but he's very keen to come and run the farm immediately. He's done. Because for him, he believes there's a lot of future in this farm. My daughter, when she comes, she's called Christine, my son is called Bindo. Actually, Bindo is the owner of all those machinery you've seen at home. He's the one who drives the tractors, cuts the mows. And a weekend, he's at the farm to ensure that he runs. So basically the farm has a succession plan. The kids are very, very passionate. The tractor we are driving in the morning is for my little son who's in secondary school, he's called Mogu. Yeah. So each one of them has their machinery to run the farm. When they come, one is stealing on their side or the other one is stealing on the other side. If my sons don't convince you, if my daughter doesn't convince you that direct goats are profitable, no one else will. Right now, my daughter is in charge of packaging at Kampala. Yeah, she's running quality control. If you have your final message to Africans, what would that message be? Love your continent. Love and cherish it. And put all your effort into developing yourself, develop your village, develop your country, develop the continent. If you can't grow food, keep a goat. Let it roam around. Put a chicken somewhere. It will scratch, it will feed itself. But have some animal. That is our social capital. You wouldn't believe that it's a dry season in Uganda. And it's so green. You wouldn't believe it. I accept your question. Yesterday, when I was coming in from Kenya, Kenya is scorched. And when we entered Uganda, people are saying, oh, these people are now planting seasons. But Uganda said, no, this is a dry season in Uganda. We don't know what we have. Ugandans are saying it's dry. Other people are saying this is heaven. Uganda is blessed. Don't you think so? I think so, too. If you want to buy goat milk, where do you reach out? It's called Nutrifit Goats Milk Nutrifit Goats Yogurt. We do direct deliveries. Direct deliveries. Thank you so much for watching. 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