 And I will go ahead and call the meeting for the City of Essex Junction City Council for Wednesday, July 13th, 2022 to order. Thank you all for being here tonight. Do we have any agenda additions or changes? None from the staff. I have. You have one amber. Yep. The poll, the minutes from the July 6 meeting. Okay, so a minor amendments. So we'll put that as five C. Thank you. The only other thing I wondered about adding is we got the information from the police department about the liquor license application for central beverage. And so just to add that into our record so that way it's a part of it. We can just add that into six D anything else. Okay. Then I would entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended. So moved. Second. Thank you, George. Thank you, Dan. Any further discussion? Hearing none. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed say nay. Great. So pass unanimously. Thank you all. So next we will go into public to be heard. So this is a portion of tonight's meeting where if there are any members of the public who wish to bring something to the board's attention that is not on the agenda, then now was the time to do so. For those of you who are using zoom, please go down to the reactions button, click on that and raise your hand. And as you're doing that, I will look to the room. Is anybody here who wishes to bring something to the board's attention is not on the agenda. No hands. Okay. Going back to zoom world. Not seeing any hands there. We'll move off of public to be heard and into business item five a and interviews and consider appointments to the various, the various appointments that we have. And Andrew just real quick there. There is just a memo there are two interviews tonight. Eric couldn't be here, but we'll join us probably in late August when he is back. So you have Nathan and rich here tonight. Great. Thank you. Why don't we. Who is first in our order. Why don't we start off with Nathan. Nathan, you can go ahead. You can unmute yourself and as you're doing that. Thank you for your interest. Thank you for your willingness to step up. And if you just don't mind starting off with expanding upon what you've already written in terms of why you're interested in and what you'd hope to bring. Yeah, sure. Hi, everyone. I'm Nathan. My wife and I moved to as extension about a year ago, but I've lived in Chinden County for close to 12 years. Yeah, I think I'm excited to just, you know, start to get involved in the municipal process. I really enjoy the community of ethics junction, you know, interested in learning about more about the municipal process and contributing where I can I've got a strong financial background through my career as a management consultant. I'm also on the board and service the treasurer for Green Mountain Athletic Association, a local running club we do about 10 to 12 races a year around Northeast Vermont. I'm excited about the energy of becoming a city and following along with the process that it took to get to that. So I think that was part of the energizing factor and me wanting to get more involved and keep the momentum going for the city. Great. Thank you, Nathan. Council members. Any particular questions? I don't have questions. I'm very impressed with what you said and I am very appreciative that you step forward. Yeah, thank you. It doesn't seem I mean it seems like the committee meets only quarterly so you know not a tremendous commitment I'm making but I'm excited to at least at my toes and, you know, start to learn a little bit more and, you know, maybe see where things go from there. Certainly, you know, still some important work it seems like it to be done. So, yes, that's for the opportunity. Right, I mean, I think it's it's it it doesn't meet a lot. It's not one of the more, you know, of the of the committees but it's work really is vital and actually some of the decisions they make are have some of the biggest financial consequences in our budget so it is important to is really important committee to have. And you really do you're right on there you do learn a lot you sort of like really look at the big the technical underbelly of the of the city on that committee to. Great. Dan Amber Raj anything else. No comment other than echo what George said impressed with his background and appreciative to have him putting for this role this position on the capital committee. It's valuable. Absolutely. The other thing I would just say is the other thing that I appreciate is just you'll have a different background and different experience that you'll bring to the table. In the past I know we've had a couple of engineers we've had. We did have one financially individual when the committee was first created. And having that diverse set of opinions and diverse background coming to these conversations is important so I think you bring a perspective. Great. Thank you. Well, I appreciate the opportunity to talk and you know look forward to meeting a lot of you and hopefully getting more involved moving forward. Absolutely. And do you have any any questions for us. No, I think, not at this point, but I'll certainly be in touch for anything comes up it seems like there was a meeting at the early part of this month so nothing would be coming up till the fall in terms of the next action for that committee. Great. All right, Nathan, thank you we will likely be making the decision shortly if you want to stick around. Great. All right. Thanks so much everyone. Thank you, Nathan. And next, why don't we go to rich. So rich if you can hear me okay. Yep, we can hear you just fine. Okay. Same question to you have just looked out expand a little bit more as to your continued interest and what you hope to continue doing. Okay, let's see my wife and I moved to s extension in 96 so we've been here about 26 years. My background is originally in landscape architecture and urban regional planning. Although I left that got my teacher certification at St. Michael's when we first moved here, and I've been teaching at Edmunds Middle School for the past when this be my 24th year. And so, you know what I guess the position on the tree advisory committee and I actually started on the tree advisory committee in 2014 at its inception so I'm kind of the, you know, one of the one of the new one of the original members of the committee. I just felt like it, you know, brought my interest in landscape architecture and, you know, the educational component, you know, one of our key missions is is education. You know, we are very involved with like our day celebrations and engaging the local community, you know, working with the planting, the public right of ways and the junction are pretty narrow so it's really important to have partnerships with with property owners and really, you know, the education component is critical for that. We've been involved in the planting of over 200 trees in the village. We are doing work with branch out Burlington and now we're growing our own trees at their nursery in South Burlington, and which has been, you know, and will continue to be a great savings to the village or not city now so I got to get used to that. So, you know, I feel like we've done some really good work and, and, you know, with the emerald ash for issue that we are, I think, being very proactive about developed a management plan we're moving forward with that so I feel like there's a lot of work to be done, but I've been enjoying the work and feel very committed to it. I certainly appreciate the work that the tree committee has done very hands on committee and have have accomplished a lot so really appreciative of that personally. And my question to you was going to be about the emerald ash borer and whether you feel like we're doing enough or how that's going in your opinion which you already addressed. Yeah, thanks. No, no questions just thanks for being involved. Thank you very much that really appreciate your skill and commitment. All right, any questions for us. I'm good. Thank you. Thanks I appreciate your I appreciate your commitment as well. Thanks. Well, thank you. Thank you rich and as I mentioned will be making the decision shortly if you want to stick around. If not, we understand it's a beautiful evening. Okay, I will be getting out into the garden so I appreciate that. Absolutely. All right, thank you all. Bye. All right, and so Eric was not able to join us tonight correct. Right. Okay. So that was all of our appointments for tonight I believe. Yes. And so with that, we do have the recommended motion on the screen. I think we've already obtained if somebody wanted to make said motion. I could do that. Go ahead, Raj. I moved to we approve Nathan do Dara to the capital planning review committee for a three-year term and rich boyers to the tree advisory committee for a three-year term. Second. Thank you Raj. Thank you, Dan. Any further discussion. Hearing none on favor please signify by saying I. I, I. Great. So that passed unanimously. Thank you all. Thank you to the applicants. Nathan for stepping up the first time really look forward to seeing what you're going to do in the capital planning review committee. Rich, thank you for your continued work as well. You've already done great work and look forward to seeing what you're going to continue to do. So thank you. And next we will go on to business item 5b, which is discuss and consider the next steps with the one mainstream park. Yes. Thanks Andrew. So you last talked about this. On May 25th. And since then there was a subsequent vote to approve 35,000 to be spent on the short term improvements. Tonight's focus is to. We have David Burton here from Ginkgo design. And miles weight is also here. He is the environmental engineer who previously spoke with you all about the removal of contaminated soils. As you probably could read from the memo. There's a proposed timeline here to work with David on garnering community input and designing the park, ultimately with the council approving the park sometime late fall. And then we will work with miles. Once he has the design will work on a budget and drafting a grant application to try and cover the cost of the contaminated soil removal. And miles will oversee that process. If we are allocated those funds, and David would oversee the construction of the park. That's kind of what's been one pitch to you obviously you all have discretion tonight to make choices. I do want to introduce David next. If you don't mind Andrew and allow him to open things up. You know he had some goals tonight I think of speaking with you all to try and get some constraints and some goals and a budget together of what you all would like to see and spend. And all of those things of course will inform the design. So tonight is about you know you all just approving and affirming a short term and long term plan. And speaking with David, as well as miles. I think Rick Hamlin is here I think Robin Pierce is here to just connect everyone on a plan moving forward. Yep. Yeah, David would love to have you jump on in and thank you for being here. Thanks. Thanks for inviting me. Brad reached out to me about this, this project and I was telling him how I had just driven by the space with my wife and discussed with her how much I'd love to be able to be a part of a design for that location. And it must have been two weeks before Brad contacted me. So there was a little bit of kismet there that I that I really appreciate and I'm excited to be a part of this. This project, and hopefully can can you know use my experience and background to, you know, help guide the process so that we can come up with a solution to the to the space that's going to, you know, meet as many of the, you know, the areas of interest that have been expressed and will hopefully be expressed for how the community wants to use that space. I actually have a couple of, of landscape clients on the call, and they'll, they'll be able to speak to the, my constraint argument I are my constraint kind of discussion. The best designs for me are ones where I understand what the constraints are. So the better I can understand what the constraints for around this project include the better I'll be able to guide it and come up with a solution that's going to be, I think, dynamic and and, you know, check all the boxes for the for the community so I think that was one of the things that Brad had mentioned and, and I think it's also really helpful for the community to, you know, so that we can help to establish what we're doing. So then there that I maybe will potentially help there to be less confusion or less concerns about or misdirection or you know wanting to do things that maybe aren't either in the budget, or aren't really of interest of you know in the community as a whole. So, and I recognize that there's there's some background to this that I'm stepping into Brad set me along some of the notes from previous meetings which I've read through. And so I have some some background but I'm obviously interested in and learning more to see how I can help. So, great. David. So from the sounds of it which are what you would hope to get out of this conversation is just what is it that we are we are our deal breakers if you will. And so from if you don't mind counselors if you want to want to go around real quick and do that. I don't necessarily have any in particular. The only thing that I've been steadfast on is wanting this to be a community designed area, something that the community truly wants and not something that is designed for the community based off of assumptions. In one design there was a water feature, which I know personally I didn't quite understand given that we have veterans Memorial Park which is that fountain area the giant fountain that's right next to it seemed a little redundant to have continued water feature but that's just me. And I think what I said in an earlier meeting is if what the community wants is a giraffe and let's design a giraffe if the community wants a bear than let's design a bear. Let's not design a horse if they're not asking for a horse. So really that's as my constraint in terms of the finances. I don't know what it would take. So for me I don't really have a number because I don't know what's realistic. Andrew, Andrew, I'm just curious, you can continue to go around but I wonder if it would be helpful for miles to just speak a little bit to the removal of contaminated soils and the availability of grant funding and that kind of stuff. Sure. That's the biggest constraint. That's one of them. Yeah, so I'm miles wait we wait behind the environmental. My colleague Wendy is also on the call and we got involved in this a couple years ago through Robin and the idea was that we knew there was some contaminated soil. Some of it related to the old gas station that was there there's a pump island and the sort of central part of the village parcel. And then there's very likely urban development soil so high pH lead arsenic soils surrounding it. And we went into the design hoping to minimize the disturbance of the soil. And then didn't really have a plan for how to pay for it was all about a build the park and hopefully minimize the soil disturbance so at that point we talked about six inches of removal to allow for proper sub base between a, you know, above a new flagstone kind of surface. Now things have changed and we're contemplating possibly grass areas so that could involve a removal of more soil. And I put together some rough estimates and I sent around a little budget spreadsheet today. What's ahead of us is that we do have some money through the petroleum cleanup fund and we're seeking about $12,000 from Chittin County Regional Planning Commission to do some more testing. The first plan was based on very limited data with the idea that we minimize disturbance and that the town pay for. Now we're contemplating a grant to pay for it. And we want a better estimate of what we're dealing with. So we've got about right now about $17,000 that could be available. Like soon by the summer to do that additional testing, and that would involve soil borings through the existing asphalt collection of data collection of soil samples and basically characterizing the soil better than we have today. The other part of my estimate was the soil management disposal. If we were going to have to take a foot of soil off that area. That's about 440 cubic yards. If you were going to dispose of it and then replace it with clean fill it and clean top soil. That whole effort could be as much as $100,000. So, again, that assumes that all the soil has to be treated as contaminated. There's no clean areas. That also assumes it's all going to Coventry landfill, which can be expensive. So we're looking at sort of a worst case, about 100,000 for the soil management. And the soil testing that we'll do will refine that number. So we could be less than that. Once we, once we have a good idea of what it's going to cost, then we seek the grant against Brownfield grant. Administered by the agency commerce and community development. It's part of the 25 million that governor Scott put towards Brownfield. The state is dispersing that money and it will be gone someday, but from what I've been told. It could be available for this project. The state does like to give the money towards projects that involve job creation and housing. So this might be a low. A low priority, but it's still worth asking. And then the way I see it is again, David would come up with a design, we'd work with the final design that's approved and figure out where the soil needs to be removed. Are we, are we just, is it going to be a level or are we, you know, I don't really know until we have a design, we don't really know the level of soil management and necessary. So that's about all I can say. Again, we have some some money out there that could be available for spending for the testing in the near future. Thank you, Miles. So, Miles, just a question on soil mitigation or removal of contaminated soil. You were talking about $100,000 worst case scenario with six inches, I assume, or maybe a foot. That's, that's a foot. Okay. Yeah. That's with the idea of putting in grass potentially. Yep. What if they want to put some type, some species of shrubs or small trees, which might require deeper, you know, removal of more soil in certain areas. Can you, could we potentially, do you have to remove it over the entire span of the area or can you actually pick a, you know, six or eight foot circle area and remove three feet down in that one area. And somehow prevent, you know, the other soil surrounding it from, you know, bleeding back into it or do something. I'm just curious. Yes, you could certainly you could, you could, you could have a plan where you you moved six inches from portion of it two feet to allow depression and in the tree balls areas you would. Yeah, you could remove for three or four feet. So that can all be accomplished when we have a plan where the trees are going to go. But yeah, right now in Burlington we're working with the city and SD Ireland on that big rotary project and it's the same idea we've been managing contaminated soil that comes out. And the only thing we need to do next is manage the soil that's where the tree balls are going so that is that is definitely feasible and sensible to to, you know, basically figure out your removals. That needs a based on where the landscaping and where the sidewalks are and all that stuff. So yes, thank you. Can I go? Um, I have a couple of things to say. I, I've been under the assumption that we kind of had a general ballpark figure of how many trees and now we're going to add some posts for shade sales. But other than putting the trees and posts in there, we were going to be capping all this. So we weren't going to be removing a foot of soil from the entire property. I thought we had resolved that issue, but maybe not. Maybe that's something we want to open back up. But I would I understand what you're saying. If we generally just cap the whole thing and only remove the soil that allows the planting of the trees and shade sales and maybe a few other amenities like that, that would reduce the cost. We're not talking about $100,000. I would, you know, for me, for my guidance, I would say, you know, if you don't mind me digressing a little bit, but two weeks ago, we all of us were at a wonderful event over there. And when people have asked, why did you buy that little postage stamp bit of property? I would say that July 1 celebration of the city, that's that's why, at least for me when I voted for it, that's why I bought it. I envision it as a town green, a common area, specifically for that kind of gathering. I think putting grass in there would be a nightmare to maintain. And it would probably, and a lot of the other ideas I've heard, fantastic ideas, but I think it would preclude the use of that area as a common area. I think we all saw how great it is. It's fun. Yes, you could have had the crowd be at Maple Street Park or at the Fairgrounds or someplace else, but there's something special about having it right in the middle of five corners, right sort of in the center of everything. So for my money, I would advise that one of the design elements that you keep in mind is that it can, it has the flexibility to be used for a large group gathering. And so, which means that I would prefer to just see pavers there or what Rick had in mind in terms of the area that's sort of carved up and sculpted to look like pavers are there. And then just remove the soil where it's necessary to put trees in there for shade. And I'm also going to disagree slightly with Andrew. I think it should be something, I certainly encourage community input. But on the other hand, I think if we were going to paint a mural on the side of Lincoln Hall here, we might ask the community for input. We might ask the community what needs to be on the mural, but we wouldn't then hand everybody a bucket of paint and a brush and say, OK, head down Lincoln Hall and paint the mural. At some point, we would want to engage the services of a professional craftsperson or someone who knew what they were doing and who has done this kind of installation before because we are creating something that's going to be here long after this board is gone and moved on. And I think we need to try to create something that is functional, yes, something that the community wants, yes. But with all due respect to Andrew, not a giraffe. I think we want to create something beautiful. We have a brand new city. Let's make a statement here guys and gals. Let's make a statement. We've got the money. Let's do something really nice. Thousands and thousands of people go buy this property every day. Let's do something really nice. And so I'm glad we've got community involvement, but I'm also glad that we've got a design professional involved who can maybe translate those ideas into something that we'll all be proud of. Thanks. Real quick, George, I do hope you and everybody else know if I didn't actually mean we should put a giraffe out there. OK. Well, I think it's not like you meant like a bush shape like a giraffe. OK. Right. That's not what I meant. So David, I hope you heard one thing I don't want is a giraffe at No Giraffes, so we're clear on that. I also just one of the things that you mentioned, I was also under the assumption that all of this is based on the premise that we are capping the site. And then because we talked about that at the last meeting, I feel like we've talked about that at the meeting before that and possibly even the meeting before that. Right. So I feel like that's been a decision that's pretty well been made at this point in time is we're capping the site. But what we're talking about is what goes on top of that. We talked in the past at that last meeting about a specific number of trees that needs to be figured out, the type of trees is figured out, placements, all those types of things need to be figured out. Right. That would be the point of this longer term vision, longer term planning process that and what goes on top. Right. And I think the input we got from the tree committee was they're looking, you know, they only wanted, they recommended only a certain number of trees per that area. They didn't want it. You don't want to see it packed in with trees. On the other hand, you want to, whatever works for in terms of perspective and from different angles and so forth. I don't know. That's not my department. But yeah, I assume that they had sort of weighed in on what's generally the number of trees they thought was appropriate there. Right. Dan Raj Amber. Can I add one more thing? I think the, just in terms of the figure, and I'm going to throw this out for the rest of you. The last, the design that Robin and Rick came up with is I recall was something, the estimate was around 150,000. And I could be wrong about that. And that included, I'm not sure if that included any additional soil removal or not, but we've added shade sales to that design. We removed the stage, added the shade sales. So I'd like to say maybe air on the side of caution and maybe say 200,000. And if we don't spend it, fine. But I would like to suggest recommend generally as a ballpark figure that we look at something like 200,000. And if someone wants to increase that, be my guest. Would that 200 be on top of the soil remediation or would that be including the soil remediation? I don't know how to answer that because I don't think we really have a clear idea of what the soil, I think if it, if we're talking about $100,000 for soil remediation, then I think we'd have to come back to the board and probably rethink the strategy. I would guess if we're, if you get grants, but we're, you know, 20 or $30,000 short, I would say throw it in there. I mean, you know, for my money, it's, I'm not quite understood. I think the soil remediation was sort of singled out as separate from the whole design and build of the park. Only because at the time there was some, there were, when we first started talking about this, there were grants available. And for soil testing and soil remediation. So we singled that out, but I think we've known all along. We've known for years that all of the soils around the city center are contaminated to more or less the same degree. So we anticipated there would be some cost. So I, for my money, I would say, unless it's some exorbitant amount of money, but I would say try to include in the overall price, the cost of soil removal. So if that means 250, again, throw it open to the other counselors. Can I ask a question? $100,000 in this, in the fund specifically that was intended for this kind of purpose. And we have more money coming into that fund this year. Have we, have this is Raj, have we, have we lost the, and I don't remember the term, the money from, I believe it was CCRPC at this point for some of this soil remediation. I mean, is this, is this progress, is this process dragged to the point where we've, we've missed that opportunity. So yes, we ended up losing about $4,000, $5,000 from the CCRPC because we couldn't use it by the time their grant expired. However, of the governor Scott money, a million was earmarked for for regional planning commissions. And just about two weeks ago, Dan Albrecht of the CCRPC is making another request and he included $12,000 for, for the, you know, so basically we're getting hopefully another influx from CCRPC that would pay for the testing. That's only for assessment, you can't use that for cleanup. Okay. The answer is yes, we did lose some of the CCRPC money but hopefully the second influx would help us with the testing. Yeah, forgive the question I'm trying to keep up. It's kind of been, I think this process has been a little longer than it's been one of us and anticipated. Yeah, and I do want to, I do want to go back to this one foot versus six inches. The initial plan was six inches. The initial number I gave Brad was $50 to $60,000 for six inches. So I actually did the math today with numbers on disposal costs and excavation fees and all that kind of stuff and I came out with a one foot is about 100,000 so it makes sense. So, if we're only removing six inches with maybe some additional for tree balls, then we could be in that $50,000 range for what I call cleanup that's a post assessment that is actual implementing the plan, taking care of the soil. Thanks Miles and that's what I wanted to bring up that either way we need to dig down we need to remove the black top that's there and when we do that need to dig down and that's what miles is previous estimates were digging down six inches and putting pavers. And, you know, at at 50 to 60 40 50 60,000. And then the estimate provided tonight was, if we're going to put grass which was, which came up in conversation last time. Just throughout the throughout the conversation then there requires going to 12 inches which is the 100,000 so if if there's a clear constraint that hard scape is the preference that's great that's that's one of those things that David's looking for tonight. And, and I think, you know, David's question about the budget was helpful, because there's there's these two scenarios right we could come up with a plan that requires 60,000 in remediation and 100,000 in construction, and we may or may not get the $60,000 grant. But David needs to know if, if, if that happens, then if the 60,000 is coming out of the total budget so this is a little bit of a tricky game, but we definitely need need kind of that constraint tonight. It is tricky because we you know if we're going to engage with the community on on what they're looking for. And that's going to dictate some of what the budget is. And on that note, I guess I would say, Annie I see your hand I think we're still going as the, as the board here, sorry, I was just a little distracted apologize. I'd say that whatever we do, we, I'm still trying to figure out the budget in my own head. But I think part of the last discussion we have was to ensure that when this discussion had and was had with the community and what they're looking for that there was very clear understanding, very clear of the limitations because limitations I think are what of this site, what can and can't be done. And I guess, you know, part of that is the decision you're asking us to make about money right you know so. Yes that sounds great but the trustees of the city council excuse me that's going to happen. And this is only approved X number of dollars so you know we're trying to keep it there, or we're not going to remove enough dirt for that, and, and making sure that these conversations of course are prefaced with become the complexity of the of the site and the, and the constraints around it. I guess I'm with George I'm, I'm, I'm also sort of wanting and we, we, the last six months or eight months we've been hearing about a lot of projects we have coming up and when I was reading the packet over the weekend. I was a little rushed and get to do what I wanted to do which was try to total up all of the different things we've been talking about. And some of those have, have, you know, the economic development fund has been bantered around, batted around as a possible source so I'm, I'm going to say oh, you know, right up front I'm having a hard time. Kind of keeping up with, with what's coming in the next 18 to 24 months and what might want to touch that budget. That fund. So I think 200 would probably be the max and that would for me that would that would include the remediation. But if we could do it for less that probably be great we have a lot coming up. And I guess the only other thing is you know in this community conversation. You know I think the last time also the last time we talked about this we talked about what the grand vision is for Main Street should everything come to pass the way. I'm really having a hard time with terms tonight but you know that the grand plan for the connector and what happens with Main Street, and all of that and how this park fits into that. So, you know, people may want grass there but this site may not be perfect for that but in five to 10 years if Main Street, what we want with Main Street comes to pass that that element might be able to be included there. You know, as, as that conversations happening in the community, you know, ensuring the people participating know, you know, the long game and where things could fit in, even if they don't fit in in this smaller parcel. For now, does that make sense. Thank you Raj and I know our city engineers had his hand up for a little while. So, I just wanted to weigh in that the initial premise of the design has changed because the topography of the site has changed. So, as you may recall, the July gathering, the celebration of the city, there's new sidewalks along Main Street. What was depressed curve or entrance into the old gas station and the War Court is now a full light curve and that sidewalk pitches up and away from that basic curve. So, any new rainwater falls, stormwater falls in the block without Main Street which now leaves a step between old pavement and the new concrete sidewalk of over six inches along its entire length. And so, one of the possibilities is to continue that grade and put a step at the back. So, instead of a one continuous grade from the street back to our environment, perhaps it's a grade and a step or a ramp, you know, but that grade continues. That's the case. All of the hard surface can actually be built on top of the existing hard surface. So, the cost of the old pavement, the pavement would stay, the sand bed, if it's a paver, whatever would go on top of that. So, the excavation would be strictly for tree wells, hose birds, or the sails, if that's what the family decided to design, or any element that has to punch through that pavement surface. So, because of the change of what's happened out there since this process started, there's actually a benefit to reducing potentially that skimming of six inches of all service. The caveat is depending on the tree, the size of the trees, and the size of the structure that has to punch through, because of those volumes, it could still be in a 50 or $60,000 disorderly. But, I just want to point out that we've got this opportunity now that we didn't have before, and we may be able to reduce it. But, I think what Kyle was saying is let's get the testing done, that's the ultimate. Let's figure out what's there and what depth it's in, because it may be that there's a lot of contamination. We assume there's contamination around the pump area, but maybe the contamination really was more near the tank area. Until we actually get more samples. So, that's that's really the next step to know. Because if we can find some cleaner areas where the trees are going to go, well, again, we reduced that cost. But main point is got an opportunity now to see if someone does a bad great step. Right. Thank you, Rick. Amber, I think you're going to go next. No, I think everyone has covered what I was going to say. I mean, I agree with, I agree with George and Raj about the figure. I do think it's kind of, it's tricky. It's tricky to make the make the call because as Rick was saying, I mean, you've got the soil testing. It's kind of like the carpet before the horse, but we have to put the carpet before the horse in this, in this case, so that we can get to that end. So, I, I'm just going to leave it at that. Dan, is there anything you wanted to add? No, I agree with what's been said, like Amber said, it does sound like carpet for the horse and I think it's the unknowns. I agree with Raj. The grand plans, what some people have spoke about closing off Main Street and Trent, there's no way to really come up with the design that's going to, to, you know, work with every potential future issue, whatever, whether Main Street's closed or open, but it's going to be a dynamic thing. I mean, just like anything in the village, nothing, nothing stays the same forever, but it'll grow and change and is the need for the community changes. So I think do something that works best for the most people here in the community and the years down the road or 20 years down the road, you know, the people living here want to do something different with it. Knock yourselves out, they've got potential there. Yeah. So what I think I'm taking away from this is it sounds like 200,000 for a starting point is maybe reasonable, maybe realistic with the caveat that if more is necessary, I think we would need some pretty good justification as to why what the benefit would be just to make sure that we then do have some funds and that we have enough funds in this account for other purposes besides just this. While at the same time recognizing that this is really that once in a lifetime opportunity, so we want to make sure that it is something special and it is something that helps to create that sense of community that personally I did see as quite evident that George brought up about that July one celebration. I was very hesitant about how that area would really be able to be used for something like this. I was quite on the fence about it and I'm happy to say that I was very I was shown pretty quickly how that can be such a wonderful place for people to gather in a safe way. It was really quite surprising in a good way. I would like to add that, you know, just please. You can't say let's to have the design drive the cost but to a certain extent, if there's some if in all of a sudden, you know, David or Bridget, oh my, there's a flash of genius and you just have this vision of some new thing but it's going to cost an additional $25,000. I mean, I think we should be kind of flexible on the 200 that's a general ballpark figure to give guidance but I think we should say, you know, if something comes up, we should be a little bit flexible because right now we really we haven't really dug into that with that be okay. I just want to say that that's not we say 200,000 and then put in parentheses but some big long thing but I think we understand that in the course of doing all this some additional funds are necessary. We certainly don't want to do things on the cheap, you know, and one last comment please. Can we and I love the way it looks right now I'm really appreciative of everyone who's done the thing right now but no more let's scrounge around at the public works department or the wreck department to see whatever junk we've got left in the storage and let's haul it out and bring it out to Main Street. Let's buy the good stuff. Okay, get get the good stuff. All right. Thanks. And I but I do appreciate the work. I absolutely do. I mean, we're just to get back to the whole thing of this, the Independence Day celebration we had there, just so that people understand that that bled out into surrounding property that's privately owned portion that we're looking at did not contain all the people from the from the, you know, that gathering there, you know, whatever 1000 people showed up or 500 whatever it was. Obviously, worked with property owners, Jason butting that for parcel that we purchased. And who knows in the future what will exist on those open spaces so it's hard to really know how it'll look. You know, going forward. Very similar to it would be hard to know how things may work should Main Street. Correct. Yes. And then keep it. Don't lock yourself in, you know, to something that isn't flexible enough to be work in the future. Yeah, and on that note, Dan, that's a good point because I think at the end of the last conversation, you just reminded me. Robin reminded us of the plan for the, what is now the parking lot that we're sort of using, but doesn't belong to us behind Firebird. And how this this piece of property will relate to that building. So I think you know it when I was discussing Main Street I think it's also going to be important to, you know, if possible to just have some sort of concept ready for people that it's not just going to be open the way it is you know it's going to be this looming. I don't mean that as a negative it's going to be a building there behind and perhaps over Firebird. And then maybe Robin can can help with, you know, what he knows around around what's planned for that area so that because the way I experienced this whole process it was a little piecemeal. And so I, you know, we're so far into this I just want to make sure any future conversations just just gets done with all the info out there and so we can so we can get to building this next spring. If I can just add though, in response to Raj, if we just think of the timeline though, we're seeing the railroad crossings is phase one of the Crescent connector now. And then the road is not is going to be built this coming spring so it's we're talking next year before that's open. And really realistically, I think if we are able to convince enough people that it's reasonable to at least try to close down Main Street you're really talking 2024 or 2025 so I would hate to see this just remain in this condition for the next three years. Oh, I agree. I'm not advocating for that I just want people to sort of, you know, throttle their expectations or their desires for this small pocket part which is really quite small. You know, with what the conceptual idea is for the whole space, you know, because it's not just this isolated piece of property it's you know, it's potentially isolated, you know, and there may be a building sort of behind it as you're facing the right, certain later. And there may be a pedestrian mall on the side of it there may not be so that's all I'm saying I'm you know we'll never know we won't know for years. Right. So I know that there are some members of the public who do also want to talk about this just ask for your your patients as we keep going on the board side for a few more moments. David, in terms of constraints, are there are there other things that you're looking for from us at this point, or questions you may have to help drive that process. I think, I think that the number of trees was was mentioned and I have to look back through the notes that Brad sent along but I believe it was five trees. And, and so that would certainly be is it six. No, five, five. Yeah, five trees. So, so you know that's obviously that would be a constraint unless somebody were to say to me well you know that is that a constraint I guess like I could just confirm like five trees is what we're really shooting for for the space. Yes. Okay. Then I think the other just to speak just briefly on the budget. I think that what I'm hearing is something that I that I have to wade through a lot when I meet with residential clients, which is sort of the client that has the hard I've got $30,000 and this is all I have to spend versus the client says I'm thinking 30 but if you know if you come up with something neat, you know we could certainly do more. And so what I'm hearing is 200s really what we're shooting for. But if we, you know, if we need to push that by 1010 15% in order to really do something that the public is really excited about. We could we could it would be it wouldn't be a hard, you know, no, it would be a hey let's let's consider this let's not let's not shelf it just because we're we're kind of exceeding that budget would that be correct. Maybe as long as it doesn't change the the impact on the soil mitigation plan. Right, right. And then so so then I think I think the understanding some of the constraints with the soil, obviously will help understanding that there may be some potential for strategies for capping that that may reduce the amount of damage that there may be. So I think that there's a couple of things that I've been thinking about as well that I could I can talk with miles offline about. But, you know, so I think understanding that as a constraint. And then I guess the other thing would just be uses of the space. I mean, like that the town or you know that that the that the city council would say hey we know that this is not how the space is going to be used. You know, that would be maybe helpful to, and I can't come up with anything specific. To that maybe I mean I guess a lawn would be would be a potential one like, like to say, yeah, we really want to I don't know why anybody would want to spread a. A picnic blanket out there at five corners but maybe you know so so that would that would be a consideration. So so but it sounds like it sounds like we that that lawn is maybe off the table and we're thinking we're capping the surface so I can just get a confirmation that that's really what we're what we're headed for. Yes. Okay. And then any other constraints any other like that that have maybe have been discussed or as far as uses of the space that were that we're saying no we don't want to this isn't going to be the use for this space. I don't think we've talked about anything that would that we said no to but this. The stage was one thing the stage the fountain. Those things I think we're early on discussions but Well, the stage I mean the stage was there if we think of the city celebration, we had a little white tent to set off to focal point of the speakers and the music group. And the whole point of the stage when we had the initial charrette and public input session, a bunch of people said what if you had public performances there so that it's the same concept. It give you but I'm not saying I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying resurrect the stage and that's what I'm just trying to say that was a focal point. And I think I've spoke to you about this and maybe the other board members council members. We have a pavilion right over here at Brown and Library perfect spot electricity everything parking and plenty of use. There's there's a stage if need be makeshift for, you know, whatever little concert or whatever else and outdoor things, you know, potential there so I just envision this more as a place to relax enjoy some conversation or a bite to eat or what have you for people visiting or people living here walking over and just sitting there and taking in the sites and sounds. I don't know your hand is up as well. Yeah, I just wanted to add to David constraint might be again I mean is going to be storm water making sure the water sheds off that park and reaches the storm drains on main street or so I make make sure David and Rick are, you know, communicating about that so I would say that, you know, water shedding moving from this new impervious surface that might create is a constraint should be considered. And I don't feel like it's a constraint but I do feel like there was conversation. You were just alluding to it Dan that it's a it's a gathering place and, and we see a lot of people I think eating, eating food there and so it seems like places to sit and then have tables was was a goal. And trustee or counselors please, please share if that's not necessarily a goal. Yeah, absolutely. I would only add to that shaded opportunity for people to sit and eat. Right. Right. I mean it's it's what people are using the space for now so it's it's it's naturally going to do that we've got lots of restaurants and coffee shops around and people in the good weather are. No matter no matter what you put there unless you put barbed wire in there people are going to find their way over there to you know find a comfortable place to sit so I'd love to see it that that should be another use. Yeah. Anything else you need from us on that David. No, I think that's, I think that's good. Sorry, I would just say, you know, given the cons, the constraints on spending, you know, David we can talk about this but it. Once everything is is all figured out and miles knows we need 60,000 for remediation and if we get the grant you know it could be that we have a final design, and there's a part B to it that if we if you know if we do get the grant for that we we utilize that other 60,000 for something else that that was desired and and bigger, but not knowing the grant outcomes you know it's kind of an add on if it if we can make it happen. Sure. Yeah, and I think to understanding the, the longevity of the of the park I think that was mentioned before. I think that this is a park that is, I think it was said once in a once in a lifetime kind of opportunity and a real way of kicking off the city, you know, that we're talking about the city of Essex Junction I think those things at a level of importance to kind of the longevity of it so so when we're thinking about materials that we're going to be using when we're thinking about the design of the space. I think it is it is sort of hard to say, you know, we want this we want this park to be here in 100 years. And it is saying we want this to be here. They're here in 100 years, but in about 10 we may redo this entire space. So, you know, so having a good a good understanding of, and I do think that we may be setting some themes here that will be carried potentially into future phases of things and I think that's important and I'll take that very seriously, because, you know, I think it will be an opportunity to set some themes for for future uses of materials or style or you know some of those kinds of things. Thank you David. And as I mentioned, I know we've had some members of the public who've wanted to speak to this item. And so before we get too much further. I'd like to first turn it over to Bridget and then Annie I know I'll have you go next. Sure, please. Andrew not to interrupt Bridget but if you could have her come to the mic if she's not doing that because it's hard for us to. She's doing it. I'm doing it. Thank you. Thanks Bridget appreciate it. Welcome. I have several comments, but I have a proposal. I suggest that you all appoint a short term committee comprised of someone from the tree committee. Rick Hamlin, our city engineer. Harlan Smith, who is our parks maintenance person, someone from public works and someone from the tree committee. Get to get with the with David, I think that's his name David escape architect to to figure all this out. It's been two years. We talk about this a lot and I'm sure that you're. Tired of it. We've made a miniscule beginning over there with the planters and thanks to public works in EGRP we've done a little bit over there with okay picnic tables and the planters, but I see this as a. I'm not sure I agree that we need more community input. Andrew, when you put this out on Facebook, not that Facebook is the, you know, the beyond the end all the 65 comments in response, boiled down to three things that the community wanted. They wanted shade. They wanted a place to sit and they wanted some kind, perhaps some kind of traffic barrier or traffic calming surround and I admit that the planters that are there are what we had. I know, I know, I'm not, I'm not, but there are really nice self watering planters you'll see them all over Burlington that we could put there that are larger and would work better for the spot I've got, I've got lots of ideas. So I suggest that we put that committee together and then we come to you with the proposal. You notice I didn't include myself but I'd love to be on it. That we come to you with these proposals so your job is not to hash through soil remediation, what color paint, where the trees go and, and, and your job would be to either yay or nay, given finances, etc, etc. We have the, we have the shade sales. We have the recommendations for shade sales and the three possible designs, which I like. I like that a lot. I also think it would be a very dramatic entrance to that part of the city. And the last time we met out there, Rick Hamlin suggested that the shade sales be part of the permanent part. In other words, they might provide shade for the young trees when they're growing and etc, etc. So I think that these all this, all of this could be not decided by but, but discussed by a committee made up of those people, most of whom are community members. And if you chose to ask us to go out into the community and ask for more input, although 65, there were 65 comments in response to Andrews reach out on Facebook. I think we've got what the community wants. I really do. I really do. I don't think they're looking for anything fancy. I think it should be lovely. I think it should be a grand entrance. I love the shade sale idea. Love the trees. I think we should cap it. I think all of those things, but I think this committee, if you were open to that and, and, and the suggested folks I've mentioned are open to it. I think we could do this. I mean, I really do. I think we could do it and do it fairly quickly. It's been two years. I mean, we've really spent a lot of time talking about this. And I'm glad to see David on board. And I think it will be, I think we could do this cheerfully and, and, and quickly. So that's my suggestion. And my comments are all mainly were that we have reached out to the public. The public has told us what they want. And they have every opportunity to come and tell us more if they choose, but they've done it and they do it every day by going there and doing what we've already provided. You know, we've provided some seating. It's, you know, I don't think that the planters are much of a barrier, but you know, that's a little bit. It's a little bit, you know, it's, we've done what we can do. But I think the next step really should be a group of people sitting around a table or being right out there and saying, Hey, what are the possibilities. I think recognizing that at some point someone could build right up to that line is a huge constraint for David to think about. And I have some ideas about that too, but I think that's my suggestion. Do with it what you will. Thank you for two. Yep. Go ahead, Annie. Thanks Andrew can hear me. Yep. Hi guys, I'm so sorry before I didn't mean to be distracting I was just overly eager and I'm really sorry for throwing you off track. And you did not owe me apology or you won. Respectfully Bridget I also suggested a committee a year ago about this and I think that David Burton's arrival removes our bill our need for that. I've always, over the course of the past, I don't even know 14 years, whenever there's been public weigh in opportunity. I've gone to the thing. I never felt heard, I never felt like my weighing in meant anything. And it felt like an exercise in weighing in. David Burton is an extraordinary listener is an extraordinary landscape designer will make it his mission to go find out who needs to be heard from, he will single handedly make sure he finds out from residents, from public works from Bridget from Rick Hamlin from like he won't stop until we make sure we get heard on every level he'll ask the counselors, he won't stop until he hears everyone. And then he will take his vision, our vision, your vision and make it amazing. We can be in better hands. We are an extraordinary position here. And it is our good fortune that David Burton has graced us with this presence on not being funny I'm not exaggerating in any way. We are we are in an extraordinary moment in time that David Burton is in this conversation. And I'm going to ask something outrageous. I'm going to ask that you commit to 300,000 that you put 100,000 towards Miles gig what's that called remediation. But 100,000 to that he gets the 60,000 40,000 comes home to you, you're feeling good, give it to David. So to put 200,000 directly for the park for the built for this thing that we want to last for so long, 100,000 towards miles will all cross our fingers really hard will get the grant you get 40,000 back boom done. Thank you very much. Thank you, Annie. In my brain it's just going to be easiest to go to the money thing I think I just go right back to I don't know the difference of what 200,000 is going to get what 300,000 is going to get it's all amorphous to me. I think staying with 200,000 like George said, and even David said it. And I think miles waiting on it but if we come to some point where we're looking at, you know, an increase, maybe 50,000 or more, whatever, we can discuss it and address it but Well, I'd say Annie, I'm with you. I'd go to 300k I'd even go to 400k but I know my fellow councils would not support me so I'm going to stick with two. I think I got an extra 50 out of there just by talking them talking them into it so But I do agree. I don't think we should do this on the cheap. We do have sales. We're going to be having sales tax money. This is the first year that's going to be coming into our capital. That will be a capital improvement slush fund that not slush funds on ice word but it will be handling slush. That's what some capital projects to but I and it's not like we want to waste money but I, I, I hate to see us do some hate to see a really wonderful design not be realized and just go for a mediocre design but You know, I feel like I'm, I'm pushing the envelope here. So I'll calm down. I mean, we just discussed this that there's potential for other things to occur in the surrounding area. I know. So rather than go and put a ton of money into something which a lot of times I see municipalities the federal government do and no sooner maybe a year or two later they're tearing out or changing so that that money was pretty much wasted. And I just said, look, yes, just not take a huge step. Let's move forward. I think 200,000 those plenty to start moving forward and five years, 10 years and a couple years we can always add more. David, in terms of having there be some form of what I'd call maybe a steering committee that had community members a couple of our appointed individuals. Is that something that would be of assistance to you in terms of if that were the community representation or the community engagement side of things or would that be more of a of a hindrance in your mind. Yeah, I'm, I, I, I'm trying not to blush after what Annie said so I apologize if my face is red. I think it's helpful because like Annie said I would be talking to these individuals anyway. You know, and if there was a committee that was together that we could I could, you know, kind of pick all of these brains at once, I think that could be helpful whether that's a official committee or it's getting these people in the same room together, you know, to, to, to talk, I think is is would certainly be helpful as far as reaching out to the community further. I think I am in a way an outsider, you know, here, I mean, in a lot of ways I'm an outsider, you know, in that I'm not a resident, you know, I, you know, I'm not super familiar with the proceedings and your past experience with the community in general. So I think there's always a simplicity that that comes behind if we do have a good like Bridget was saying we have a good feel for hey these are the three things that are the most important, you know, shade place to sit and potential screening or softening corners. If, if we're good with that and we feel like that is that is something that the community has continued to backup. And then and we don't need to go reach out to the to the community further. I'm fine with that. I just wouldn't want to, you know, get to another another point where people, you know, the community does see what what, you know, what we come up with. As it is, you know, for the design and say hey, you know, these things were missing why aren't these things in this design. I just, I, that's what I would really want to avoid. So, so does that answer your question. It does. The other thing that has been mentioned is we have talked about this for a long time. I know I've been a reason as to why we've talked about this as many times as we have. I'd like for us to move along as quickly as possible and along that line one of the thing that concerns me is if we do appoint a formal committee. Then the formal committee is then a formal arm of our government and you're required to follow open meeting law and do all of that fun stuff. Whereas, if you're just if you're considered more of an advisory team, very interested individuals who have been a part of this process from the beginning who are very intelligent and have fantastic ideas. If they could be more just advisors, I think that that would help us to accomplish what it is we're trying to do faster. That sounds good to me. That sounds good to me. Okay, great. Because again, I'd like to move this along. I think we should have Dan be the advisor. No, not. Sorry. So, is there anything else in terms of this long term plan that we need to talk about tonight? Andrew, I think sorry, I don't know where you're going next, but it would be helpful if there is a motion. Yeah. Okay. All right, sorry. I was going to do that but before we had the motion what I was just going to say is let's not forget the other thing we were going to talk about is a short term. So this was just going to conclude the long term part of the conversation but we still have a portion to talk about with a short term. Yes, and if I could just in terms of the long term plan. When you get to that conclusion, it would be helpful if there's clarity on whether or not community input is it needs to be sought further now. And if it if it's not that's that's certainly at your discretion just appreciate that. When David comes back with preliminary designs at some point, there won't be really an opportunity for community input to drastically change those. Obviously, you all will have input and community members can speak to minor changes but but what he is going to spend all his time on will be what based on what the information he has and the other people he interacts with and so it would be very helpful for you to make sure that it's clear that yes, you need to go out and get community input surveys charrettes, those kinds of things, or no you don't need to do those. And also, you know, depending on what your long term plan is your short term plan may be very different. And much more you would want to invest its July in in improvements out there in terms of, you know, using up that $35,000, where we may be able to break ground in the spring and complete this thing then. You know, we only have a few more months of usable time out there with the nice weather. So, it would be helpful to, you know, both of those things will play out from each other. So if we want to just dive into that long term motion, then we'll come back to the short term stuff. Yeah. And so just to be clear with that long term, Brad, if you can go up on the screen a little bit to that previous page. When we're talking about the long term plan, this is what we're talking about underneath the discussion item about David Burton, leading the efforts. You have the timeline up on the screen that we're talking about the plan that's what we're referencing about what's in the motion, just to make sure we're all understanding of the what with regards to community input. I'm hearing what it was what we're just saying about 65 people talking about the things that they want and the way that we're seeing the park being utilized currently. I'm not a, I don't think we need to have a design charrette. I think if there's even an informal survey, some kind of informal, hey, David, you know this better than I would. If you reach out to some capacity, work with Bridget, Rick, Harlan, some of the others who've been mentioned, they can help with that as well. I think that's really all that would be necessary there. So sorry, just looking for that motion. So it looks like that first portion with a budget up to 200,000 for the construction of the park. I've got it. I'll move that we approve of the one main street process as outlined in the memo and budget up to 200,000 for the construction of the park. George, would you like to make any friendly amendments to that? Well, I do we need to mention, I'm not really sure the and appointing an advisory team to work with David Burton. I would accept that we add the creation of advisory of citizens to advisory team of citizens to work with David Burton on this. And would we have staff, do we want to identify the advisory team or do we want to say Brad can figure that out to be determined by sorry. All right, so the, if you look above the recommended motion, the recommended plan is twofold one is for any remaining short term improvements. Staff will form a working group to make decisions. And then long term contract with David to gather input design the park oversee construction miles to write the grant and oversee removal of contaminated soils. So, that's the plan that's kind of in that motion. And that's what we would want to deviate from anytime I think we start you already alluded to it Andrew we start saying that the council is going to appoint or identify those folks. Right, I think, I think you're forming a formal group that is appointed so if you're comfortable, I've, you know, staff certainly have heard the recommendations and are familiar with the key players at this point of who's been involved and should be involved. So, I think the motivation is that is to not use those words and just, you know, follow through with the plan as recommended. And maybe the deviation is the working group will assist in both the short term and long term improvements. So, everybody so it sounds to them about your moving your. Yeah, I'm happy to remove that I wasn't clear to me from the memo that he hits put that in there. Yeah, so Dan you have that motion. Do we need to read the motion one more time to make sure we got it correctly. I think we're just looking at that one right there I moved that we approve of the one main street process is outlined in the memo and budget up to 200,000 for the construction of the park. And then leave the as far as the details, leave it up to staff to work with David Burton on the process going forward. The key portion that Brad had mentioned is that where it talks about that working group that's only in the short term, right. So that would also just need to be added to the long term. So then just the amendment to that being that the, the working group would also be involved in the long term. Working established by, you know, by staff working, you know, with committee members and other staff members to determine members to that group. So that's the motion. Yes. Good luck recording secretary is there a second. I'll second that. Thanks. Counselor's any further discussion. All those in favor please signify by saying aye. Those opposed please say nay. Great so pass unanimously David thank you for being here tonight. Miles to my yes. assistant. Right, Rick, Bridget, Annie, thank you as always. The only thing I'm going to mention before we transition out of this is with the short term, any shade that can be put up there sooner rather than later would be great. Whatever that is, I don't care. You've seen the plan, I think the problem with them is how do you install them well given our constraints. But I would love to see those at least bordered this year, even if they're up for just a couple of weeks so people can send them what they're going to be like. But that, again, could be up to this team talking a little bit. And I suggest we start soon. I want to go on record saying we need to start soon talking about this, meeting on site, talking about. And I don't know how that begins. That's my question. How does this begin? Who is in charge of this? Who will convene the group? With the short term? In terms of short term? Yeah. I would look to staff to convene that. I'm not sure if that's Brad starting it off. I'm not sure if that's Harlan. Okay. Rick, I don't know. Technically, if you're considered an arm of our staff and can do that, I would think so. But I would say the sooner the better. Yeah. And actually, what I would suggest is that based on that motion, that Brad turns David and say David runs with this. Yes. Because that's, he'll be the point of the spirit throughout this whole process. The sooner he takes the lead, the faster we can do it. So for those out on Zoomland who couldn't hear it, basically what our city engineer was talking about is that to help accelerate the process, it would be greatest. We could engage David today, tomorrow to help begin that process and engage even in parts of the short term work. I will email David the names and contact information for the working group before I leave time. Thank you, Brad. And I'm available to jump right on it. So I'm excited to get started. So great. Great. We're excited to have you. Thank you, David. Thank you. Before we get off this, can I ask a quick question? When will be this board hear back on some of this? The short term stuff potentially not, but it kind of would be nice to get some updates throughout this process before. Does that make sense? So we're going to, you know, I'll take that back. Never mind. I just, in the timeline, there would be a final design that would come back to us in the late fall. I don't see how we can really come up and say that they got to come back to us. I see that. I see that now. Yeah. August or whatever. I just think I'd leave it up to the working group and to David and Brad, staff. Yeah, sorry, Andrew. I missed that line. I assume. No worries. Great. Thank you all. Thank you. Thanks. And our next business item is the new 5C to discuss the minutes from July 6th. And Amber, you have some proposed changes? Very minor changes. I would add the word special because this was a special meeting. Um, remove George as he was not present. And the infamous, we are now counselors, not trustees. That's all I got. Thank you, Amber. And I assume by the trustees you're talking about on line seven. Yes, line seven. Yes. Any other suggested changes or comments? Roj, your hands up. The holdover. All right. Holdover. All those in favor of Amber's proposed changes, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Actually, nobody made a motion. No. Whoops. I will make a motion that we amend the minutes as recommended by counselor Thibault. Second. I will give that one to Dan because he's in here so I can hear it a little better. All those in favor of the motion, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed say nay. All right. Pass unanimously. Thank you all. And we will now go back to the, or now on to item six, the consent agenda. I move we accept the consent agenda. Thank you, Raj. Thank you, Amber. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. As opposed, please say nay. All right. So that passed unanimously. Thank you all. In particular, really just appreciate we've approved of our first city liquor license, but also we now have a deputy health officer and officially we have a city clerk. So we're, we're building this city slowly, but surely all in one fell swoop. So thank you. Right. And we're now a local cannabis control commission. Can I ask a question? I was going to say we didn't add a counselor comments, but let's just do it. Here it comes. Do we have any, do we know, and maybe Brad is still, do we have any applications yet for cannabis, any cannabis licenses? Do we know of any? I think we're just saying, are we going to be bombarded? Well, so, so the way this works now is that we have to now, someone in staff has to now email the cannabis control commission saying that the city of us extension has formed a local. So from, from that moment on, from tonight on, those permits would come, would be conditionally approved by the state and then come through us to make sure that our, our basic function is to make sure they, they meet ordinances and by zoning bylaws and then send a message back to the state that they're good to go. Thank you, Brad. We can give you, we can give an update at the next trustee or cheese next council meeting. It's going to be like a swear jar. At the next meeting, we can give an update on, on where we stand with all of this, but we've made some changes to the planning commission has made some changes to the, boy, LDC, wow, and they have warned a public hearing for August 4th on those changes. We still have to discuss ordinances, not many. Thank you, Rush. Go ahead, Amber. I just wanted to give a quick shout out slash thanks to Jeff Bartley at CVE for his continuing to post on social media about events that are happening. It's super helpful to all of us to know to anticipate traffic delays and stuff, especially because I forget 99% of the time that there's actually stuff going on there. So just thanks. I just want to also thank everybody who made July 1st event possible. It really, I should have mentioned this when we had the special meeting, but didn't take the time at that point. I really do appreciate all the time and effort that would into it, the planning that would into it. It really went off so much better than I could have anticipated. And in particular, as I sort of alluded to during the meeting earlier, really blew my mind in terms of the capability of that space and how that space could be used to help gather community. That's right. I was really on the fence about it, but I can see the value now. So really appreciate that. The band and the timing of we built this city right after the speeches. I'm just going to say it really helps you throw that over the top for me. So thank you all. You're here. That's a great time. Yep. So many people. I did. Nobody has anything else. Wendy or Brad? I would just say we've conducted three city manager interviews so far this week and we have three more. And so hopefully by Friday afternoon or Monday, we will have those finalists for you. Thank you. Looking forward to it. Thank you. Hope there's nothing else out there. I'll move the adjourn. Second. All right. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. As opposed to say no. All right. Good night. Have a good night, everybody. Thanks all. You guys. Appreciate it.