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We have to change with the times, man. So, man, we got a special guest in store for you guys today. This guy right here is one of those guys who's been on the show, man. He's one of those guys that I really have a lot of respect for. People don't know how far we go back, but that ain't for everybody to know anyway. But my guy may have the mentors in the building. What's going on, my guy? Good evening, good evening. Man, I've been seeing you, man. You do some podcasts. I see you every now and then do some podcasts, selling some books, writing new books. We got new books today we're gonna get into as well. Yes, sir, yes, sir. Man, but I just, like I said, man, your story is so, you know, so live, man, because of where you come from and how you out here are doing the things that you're doing, man, helping the community. I've seen you so many times going to ventures where you were trying to help people that was incarcerated, went back into the system. I commend you for that. You did something that people should always wanna do, you know, in some type of way, and that's give back to the situation that they was able to really, really to overcome, you know what I mean? And to show other people that they can overcome those things, right? Right, right. So just thank you, man. Thank you for coming back on the show, man. What you got today? I know you got something in that mind of yours over that ticket. No, I know that you're an entrepreneur, you're a man who's always on the go, always trying to figure out new ways of how to create something. Right, right. And other than the books, I wanna know what you've been getting into. Man, you know, well, first of all, you know I got the logistics. So I do a box truck. So we do a... I know you showed me one of the... Are you gonna wrap it? No, we're not gonna wrap that. We just wrapped our, we do long-star exterior. So now I'm getting in the soft wash because we're doing fleet wash, right? Fleet washing is when we wash the 18-wheelers. So we was washing 18-wheelers in Memphis and we started off with the fleet wash, but the fleet wash is more pressure washing. So we use, that's a hard water and after doing it for many years, it's a lot of hard labor. So we realized as we started expanding and getting off into bigger business, we came back to Dallas, so my brother moved back to Dallas. So we started this soft wash company, which is where we clean houses and sidewalks and stuff like that. So this is your business between you and your brother? Yes. Okay. So, but like I say, that business is straight about cleaning houses, driveways, sidewalks, the side of your house, the roofs. Just, you know, we do everything on the outside of your house to make your house look good and to bring the value to your house, to maintain the equity in your house. How important it is to wash your house? It's very important, especially with, you know, shh, man, it's very important to wash your house because you just get, look how people look at your house with the spiderwebs, or if you see other spiderwebs. People don't ever think about doing that because yes, you know, you might use a broom and take the spiderwebs off. And like, you know, in Texas, we have brick homes and I know that depends on the color, you can see the dust on there, you know? But I know that if it's like a red brick home, you're not gonna see that. So like red brick home, people probably don't even need to get theirs washed very often. Well, if you've got an old house, it'll develop mold, it'll develop calcium buildup. This over the wall. On the outside? On the outside. Really? Yeah, on your roof, you got calcium buildup. You got certain molds and stuff that builds up on your roof over time and it decays your roof, it deteriorates. So we can go up there and clean it and we got chemicals that will take that off and make your roof look brand new again. On your roof. On your roof. And it's not gonna affect the shingles or anything like that? It won't affect nothing because we use a dry vac which means we recover all the water, all what we put on there. It's either environmental protection or we evaporate or we recover the water. But I got a question because in the summertime, you know how Texas get really hot? Doesn't heat kill the mold if there's mold on top of there? Well, no, because it's gonna be protected. And sometimes in Texas, we got trees. So if you got a house that's covered by a tree, then that's where a lot of your mold builds up because you got trees that hang. And then a lot of times your tree leaves will be there. So you got people who have houses, they got roofs and leaves. You see the leaves be on the roof. So you got that protection. Even though the sun is out, the sun is not even hitting the roof, it's hitting the leaves. So you never clean that off. You never get the leaves off. You just let it build up. Or your gutters are just messed up, you know what I'm saying? But it makes your house look ugly and people are not attracted to an ugly house. If you were trying to sell your house would you wanna buy a dirty house? If it looked dirty, you feel me? But people are like, can I really clean my house? Yeah, you can really clean your house and get your house. You remember how your house looked brand new? You can get your house looking brand new by just cleaning it, the windows, all the outside. Do you have an Instagram of that business to show before and after pictures? Because you know, we are very, well I can't speak for nobody else. I'm a very visual person. I love to see the before and after pictures of any decor, anything on social media. Because that would make me wanna buy into it more. They went from this to that, wow. Right, we got those videos. We got a website, Longstar Exterior LLC, Longstar Exterior LLC.com. It's up right now. And you have before and after pictures. Yeah, we got pictures of showing you exactly what we do, what the house looks like before we wash it and what it looks like after. And the process of us doing it. The chemicals and all that, how we stand up or what. How the process is so you can get a better understanding. And the chemicals don't hurt pets. You know, everybody are pet lovers nowadays. Pets or kids or anything like that is very safe. Right, it's very safe. And that's why we use soft wash. Because hard wash, somebody up there with a pressure, you know, there's some guys out there with a water hose. You know, we got work professionals, we got the chemicals, we got the equipment. How long does it take? It takes about maybe two to four hours. Okay. Yeah, because it's a process. Because we gotta spray it, we gotta let it. Then we gotta put another chemical on it to make sure that that chemical is doing what it's doing and it goes away. How would you say two to four hours? Because I would think it depends on the size of the house. Well it depends on all you want done. If you wanted a house to be washed. Right, we wanted it. Because you know, sometimes people get their house washed. They want their driveway did. They want their sidewalks did. They want their gutter clean. They want their grass mowed. They want their- Oh, you do mowing too? We do mowing too. I got, well that's a whole different company. Oh, dang, how many companies you got? Several, several, several. The Dubii Twins is the Dubii Twins landscaping. And we got- So it's just you and your brother who do all of these different- Yes. The Dubii Twins, we got products. So we do, you ever heard of drop shipping? Yeah. Drop shipping. So we find products and we put our name to Dubii Twins products. Okay. And we, whatever we decide to do, we'll get that product, we'll call the manufacturers and- So you're just a jack of all trades? I'm an entrepreneur. And I tell people that I hate when people say, oh, I'm an entrepreneur. And I'm like, what does that mean? What does that mean? Do you know what an entrepreneur- Because I know what I'm, when I, I went to school for this. What does it mean to you? It means somebody who knows how to maximize his profits. He's, it doesn't matter. I don't care about your title. I don't care about the title. You don't have to call me the boss. I'm the janitor, the boss. I'm a servant leader. A boss is somebody who's willing to serve the people that he's willing to lead. But he, an entrepreneur knows about labor laws. He knows about tax laws. He knows how to file an LLC. He knows how to get a DBA. He knows how to get an EIN number. He doesn't have to be, he doesn't need that. He knows about accounting. He knows about the accounting equation. So you are just really, you know, back in the days I called it jack of all trades. But to me in my mind, from your explanation, you're just an educated jack of all trade person. Well, I went to college. That's what I'm saying. Despite being a special ed, people sometimes forget I graduated college and I went to college for horticulture, computer science, and business. But you don't have to learn all this stuff in college. You don't have to, but I did. Yeah, you did. But I did. So I can sit here and tell you all this and say I learned it by myself, but I didn't. I'm not self-taught. You feel me? And I'm not, the first thing that I, I remember when I graduated college, they said you can't be acting like you do because now you represent the college. There's no excuses for you to be talking about why you're doing something that don't make no sense. And that's why I tell people when you represent me, then you got to understand that this is what I stand for. This is principles, man. So you got to represent because you make us all look good because if you represent the college and they say, man, we just educated you, we just gave you the best information. There's no reason for you to be out here. True. When you say that, the first thing I think about, I'm like, how are y'all helping me other than giving me this education? Are y'all helping me get business? Are y'all helping me with connections? Because I really feel, as many people come through some of these colleges, they should have a department that help their alumni connect and help grow their businesses. They do. Oh, they do. Absolutely. So your college has helped your business in so many ways other than just education. Yes. Yes. Why don't we say, first of all, my college is different. But for a traditional person, for anybody who's listening to this, right, if you're a young person, right, and you say, why do I want to go to college? I don't have to go to college. I'll say, you're right. You don't have to go to college, right? But going to college doesn't make you smart at all. You can go to college and be dumb. I know a lot of people who did that. But going to college is about completing goals and meeting and networking, right? Because all the people like to get caught up on, like, do I really need the qualification? Do I need the title? You really don't need that. But what you will need for show is a good team, a good network, and a good fellowship. And from what I'm noticing, these people who graduate from top colleges in these countries, I'm talking about Notre Dame, SMU, Oklahoma, I'll give you an example. Adrian Peterson, he went to Oklahoma. Adrian Peterson's father was in prison. When Adrian Peterson's father got out, he got a job at a car dealership in Oklahoma City because of the alumni of Oklahoma own a dealership. And they gave Adrian Peterson's father a comfortable job at the dealership. You feel me? Alumni. You see what I'm saying? And it's just not that. I'm just giving you an example, because people are like, well, why don't I go to college? You never know who you're gonna meet in college and you never know who's gonna graduate with college and you never know who's already where they're coming from. So you might meet a relationship or you're gonna meet a relationship with somebody who's gonna give you an idea and show you how to accomplish goals that you never thought you could accomplish because you had goals, but you really couldn't figure it out. College will put you around a bunch of people who can help you figure out goals where you're not trying to do what you're trying to do by yourself. You have input. And then on top of that, you'll never know. You are alumni. So when you graduate and you go into a corporation, if you want a job at Coca-Cola corporations or IBM or Google and you come in there and the guys who hire and you say, I come from Harvard, the people they're gonna already know, hey, my boy's coming in here. You know, the people who come from your college, most likely is already in some corporation somewhere. You can make those networks. It's the same thing. The same way how a lot of these frats work, they support each other and stuff like that. The same way how you can't get in the front. It's hard to get into a fraternity without going to college. I'm just saying. And that is the benefit. Cause some people don't understand like what's the logic in doing that? And I'll tell you about it. I wouldn't get into fraternity. But if that's the right you're going to understand that those people are doing it because they want and understand the power of networking with each other, right? Working together. And anybody who goes to college, that's the greatest part about going to college is being an alumni for their college because people will show you favoritism from their college. And it is a great benefit. So let's move on to what else have you been up to? I just finished a couple of books. So you know, I wrote my first book. I think I came, I had black massacres. So now I wrote my second book was Black Excellence which is about historical people. I started with Frig, Scott and I ended with LeBron James. How many people do you have in there? 52 people. 52. Yes. I know there's way more. There's way more people. So why did you choose those 52 people? Those two 52, it was a great question. I put it on the back of the book. Those are my favorite two people. And I encourage everybody. Two people or 52? Those are 52 people that I chose. Right, but why them? Because I chose them because of, to me, they represented people who have overcome an extremely amount of adversity and they achieved some of the highest levels of life. Not for a black person, for anybody. But these people came either from a tremendous amount of adversity and they attained excellence. They maintained great character or they're still maintaining great character. And how much information did you give or speak on each person? Who they are, where they're from, how they grew up and what they accomplished. Okay, that's what you did on each? Yes. How many chapters? It's 52. 52, so, okay. Can you name the 52 on the top of your head? I wouldn't know. I couldn't do it right here, I was reading off this, but I can, no, I got that, I got the book. Let's show us the book right here on the camera right there. And who's on the front right now? It's Malcolm X, George Washington and Carver, Marlitha King and Frederick Douglass. Okay, no females on the front of the book? Absolutely not. Excuse me? They're females in the book. But why you say like that? Absolutely not. Like really? Hey y'all, y'all need to go jump on him, because... No, I'm just saying, I might need to do a book called Black and put on Business Black Women in here. Because you gotta, you know, you should have put at least one. Well, unfortunately, when we look at the, did we look at black history and we talk about some of the most significant people, we do have black women who are up there, but we talk about the top 10. I only got four up here. You feel me? So if you say who were the most significant people for black people, I'm not gonna say, well, do I need to put a woman up here? I'm gonna say, no, I'm looking for the, I'm looking for, and that's what, you know- And because you're a man, that's why. It's not that I'm a man, I'm more fact oriented. It's not, if a woman was fact oriented, she would understand like, okay, well, I'm just gonna put, if a woman was up there, then I would have to put her up there. And what woman would need to be up there for the top, if I can name, if you had to name four- What four women did you put in a book? What women do I put in a book? Yeah, you said four women you have in a book. No, I have many women. I'm more than four women. Okay, tell me the name of some. And out of all those four- So on your journey of truth, I put it in here. Harriet Tubman is in here. And Harriet Tubman don't deserve to be on the front of the book. On the front? On the front with one of those men. She don't need to be, no, no, absolutely not. So you think Harriet Tubman was more influential than Malcolm X? No. You think Harriet Tubman was more influential than George Washington and Carter? You think Harriet Tubman was more influential than Marlo the King? You think Harriet Tubman was more influential than Frederick Douglass? You see what I'm saying? So it's like, if she would have been more influential to our people, I would have put her on it. She's not not saying she's not influential because I put her in the book, but I can only put four people. You feel me? I think that kind of circulate around just really opinion. Opinion? Yeah, and that's his opinion. I think if you wanted to make a book and put four women on it and call it Woman King, you could do that. I got my answer low in here. I got Corella Scott King in here. I got a lot of women in here. I got Toni Martis on here. I would have took Carver off and put her on there. Who, Carver? You would have took George Washington and Carver off. You would have took the greatest black American ever. You feel me? He's still in the book. I'd keep him in the book, but on the front. But to me, George Washington, I would say George Washington and Carver is the, I would put him over everybody. I would say he's the most important black person to ever walk in America. George Washington and Carver. Wow. And you said I would take him off and put Harry's telling him that. I'd keep him in the book, but I'll take him off the front. What do you know about George Washington? I'm just curious, what do you know about George Washington? Since you want to take him off of the book, what do you know about him? Just because I, okay. The only reason why I would want to take him off is because as a woman, I feel that whenever people are buying books or looking at books and they see their name, Black Excellence, yes, they're gonna resonate it because they're a black person. They're gonna want to get it. But when females see a book, just like when they write books for little kids, because you want to educate your kids, even on stuff like that from a young age so they know about it as they get older. But when they do that, they want to say, they want to see somebody they can resonate with before they can, before they even pick the book up to say I'm interested in opening this up. So that's the reason why I say a female should be on the front because it motivates other females to pick this book up and read it and learn about it. You understand what I mean? Because females resonate with all the females. It's like being a man, you're not gonna look at a female and resonate with her. You don't think so? Why? I made her. I mean, it's like- You're made from a woman. I know, I understand that. I see, I think something that you might not know. And this is, because I see you, it seems like sometimes women feel like men and women are very equal. They're kind of the same. No, they're not equal. I know men and women are not equal. Okay, but what separates men and women? Strength, number one. Strength, no. And let me show you this. And this is something that I just- And because we came from them? When God made us? God. We came from- Great question. A man? Well, here's what, I just had to explain this to my lady. What makes man different? Okay. Why men are God and why women could never be God, right? Women hold no life. Women can only carry life. Men give life, right? Which means if, in order for you to carry a child, the man would have to give you the life for you to carry. Without that, wouldn't none of us be here. You understand? So women carry life. Men produce life. So it's not, you know, it's so many times, today we have this importance, like we need to be recognized. We need to be, instead of like, do you want to, do you understand what's going on? Like saying, do you know what's really going on? We are a unit. We are together. But I'm definitely need to be understood that this is, I'm here to create life. You need to help. Not combat, not kind of, it's more of what we get. It's like, it's just like, we have so many people that want to dictate instead of cooperate, right? And I talk about cooperation because I am somebody who constantly reminds myself as the person who gives life. But let me ask you a question though. But so because of what I said, you think I'm combatting, because in my mind, I'm just saying that we needed just one person on there. I didn't say we need all five to be female. You have a desire. But hold on, but hold on. But whereas, yes, men give life, but men can't give life alone. They still need a woman to also, as you said, carry. That goes there and it creates this. Right. Okay. It can, he can't do it by himself. Absolutely not. Okay. So it's a teamwork thing. Absolutely. But it's just like, sometimes we like, the first thing has to be the man. And the man is always the leader. The man, the woman needs to be submissive to the man. And we came from a man, as in the rib that came out of him created us. Right. But I said all that to say this here. Okay. I see that you have a desire, right? Not to, not to say that, but you have a desire to kind of like, women need to be recognized. And we need to, as men, we need to always be trying to put the women out there and be like, we need to put, include them. We need to recognize them. And I say, we need to be more worried about us as a unit. Right. I'm not worried about no one woman or none of that. I want about a family looking at this here. Right. And so for women's looking at this, she's probably like, I want to be the head. I'm trying to run something. I need to be recognized. I need to, I'm just saying the way you said it. Right. A woman would be, so in my mind, I would have to create this for a woman. Right. But when I created this, I didn't create, I created this for a family. So in my mind, I didn't even think about who was I going to put on the cover or none of that. I didn't even create the cover. Right. The cover was created by the people who looked at the book and said, this is what I'm going to create for you. And I said, I liked it. I didn't even create it. Right. But I like it. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't, when I looked at it, I didn't say, I need to add a flower or I need to add something because I want people to buy it. Now, if I was thinking like you were saying, if I wanted to, wanted women to buy it, if I wanted somebody to buy the book period, right? If I wanted somebody to buy it, I really wouldn't even think like that. I really was just like, I want to write this book for people who can know about these people. Didn't think about men, women, men or none of that. But if I changed it to appease women or to sell to the women population, how would you feel about me then? I wouldn't, I would also say you'd need men on it because I want you to cater to everyone. I don't want you to cater to, just like you say, you cater into a family. That is catering to men, for me, on the front. You know, it's not catering to a family. So when you saw this, when you saw this, your mind said, that's only for men. I can't read that. I'm not saying I can't read it, but I'm just saying- I don't even want to read that because men are on the cover. When I think of anything, I don't think of just me. I think of a wider picture. I think of kids, I think of other women, I think of men, I think of everybody. That's just how my mind works. I don't always think about, I may speak from my experience of speaking to other people, but when I see that, I don't see all the kids picking it up, unless it's a school take-it and teach it to the kids. But that's about it. I don't see kids going, I'm like, oh, I want to pick this up. Or a mother picking it up and saying, oh, I want my kids, she might pick it up for her son, but that's about it. I don't think so. I think God got a way of dealing with whoever that book is going to, they're going to read it. I mean, there's certain people that that book is going to resonate with. Woman or man, if they're looking at history, it's all type of stuff that you think about. So at the end of the day, just to be able to have something that represent our people is something that I commend in you doing, bro. Well, I think I wrote it on the back. And I said, I selected the ones I believe should be known and mentioned. I would encourage anyone who doesn't like the selection to write or organize your own book, I would love to read it because I love to read it too. I put this on the back of the book. I agree with it. Because my thing is that, like I said, I want everybody to write and publish books about our people because we need to be, we can't write about them enough. But this is one book that is already published. And I got two puzzle books just in case people don't want to read about history. I got a Sudoku puzzle. You feel me? And people who don't even like to say, some people don't even know what Sudoku is. It's 2023. How you not know what a Sudoku is? Yeah, you're right. How you not know? I think it's just what a person is not interested in. Because he's not interested in playing games. He's not interested in playing games. That's a good one. You know how I ended up playing Sudoku? How? In the Wall Street Journal in prison, we used to get the paper in and I used to read the Wall Street Journal and then there was a crossword puzzle and a Sudoku. And that's how I ended up playing the Sudoku. But anyway, now I got Sudoku books and I got crossword puzzle books. A word puzzle, word search puzzle books, what, you know, words from our history as you can look up as well. And then I got a children's book called Hammy and Sammy. Wow. I think it's a great accomplishment. How long have you been home from prison? Eight years. Eight years and you wrote three books? I've wrote six books. Six books. That's a grand accomplishment. Was this something that you thought about when you were locked up, that you were gonna be writing books? No. No. You just decided since you've been home that that's the venture you wanted to go, the path you wanted to go. Cause I remember when you was incarcerated, you guys, y'all would study in and really educating yourself on different ways that you would come out, back out into society and things that you guys would accomplish. What were one of those main goals that you really was focusing in on when you first coming home from prison? Becoming financially stable. Just trying to, and I get that. I can agree with that. And so what was the one of the first things that you done to create that financial stability? I got a job. A nine to five? Yeah, I was making cardboard boxes for nine dollars an hour. Wow. I used to get up at about five o'clock in the morning, four or five o'clock in the morning, ride the bus. At any rate, here's the deal, man. I just, like I said, when I see where you come from and what you've accomplished, man, I commend you because there's so many times people, you know, get out here and end up right back in prison. Because of the recidivism of falling back into the same behavior that they left. Because of the mind state, you and I both know that the mind has a lot to do with because you ended up going back into prison, right? Yes. And what was different this time than when you first, you know, because you did, the first thing you did was 11, no, 11 years. And the second thing you did, six. So what was different this time versus the time when you got out after you had did 11 years and how long did you stay out? Which one? The first one? After you got out on that 11 year run and you ended up going back, how long did you stay home? But what was different this time to keep you home? Education. Education. So that first time, you just was still trying to get back into the streets on what? Right. Well, no, I wasn't trying to get back in the streets. My dad died. Yeah, I remember you told this story on the first episode. And I lost all, like I lost all the, you know, I went through a lot of bad stuff. Yeah. Bad stuff happened at one time. And that, that just, you know, bad decisions. So, and that led me back, but my dad died was cause a whole bunch of bad decisions. So I ain't gonna say blaming on him, but that's, that's one of the things. One of the things that triggered you to offset what you were already trying to come. Cause you was working. I remember you told me that. So when you, being locked up, having to deal with all of the different people, cause you was a leader when you was locked up. I heard many stories about your leadership qualities and the way that people would look up to you. And I know. I seen Goldfront was over. I heard that. As my boy right there. Yeah. Yeah. He's a good guy, man. And just to see him, even his run, you'll see a lot of people that been incarcerated. And then I bring them on here because at the end of the day, people need to see our people, you know, getting back out, coming home, maintaining. You so many people that paint the picture that once you go through that situation that you become a product of that environment, but that's not the case. And there's many cases out here where you got guys who are productive who was really a lot of them falsely accused too. Not just some of them falsely accused and put in those situations. Some of them did it and God changed their life as well. You see me, I be with him. You see me, I be with Richard Miles. Yeah. I'm saying Benjamin Spencer just got out. He just did 30, 34 years. Wow. So he's, he's out. Johnny Pinchback, a lot of these guys. I was, I was incarcerated with these guys. Yeah. I was on Cofield. I was on Cofield for 12 years. Wow. So I was locked up with a lot of the guys. You know, me and me and Goldfront was on, on around each other a lot. We was locked up in the same area for years. Years. He can sing. Yeah. Man, boys say we could have had some videos of him. Y'all ain't seen boys say he can sing. We should have a talent show like The Apollo. Really? On Cofield. Yeah. And one time boy, they'd say, man, this, he was singing. We, he, everybody knew him. We call him Blue Moon. We call him Goldfront. But you know, his real name is Randy Owens. Yeah, correct. But he got a lot of love, real, real guy, man. Real guy. That's one of those guys. Like you, you see a lot of guys get on the internet and portray this and portray that. But he's one of those guys, like yourself, I feel is a genuine guy who's giving people the truth. Because I think the truth helps people. I think a lot of those, a lot of people give people fluffed up truths. They talk about the fights. They talk about all the stuff. They don't talk about the degrading, getting undressed all the time and not being able to be in your own confines, always having to be around somebody. People don't come home talking about that. The count time to get on your nerve. You have to, every time you look around, they got to count you, you know, hidden on it. That one Aggie, please, going out into the field, all of that stuff. Nobody comes home and tell about those stories. All they want to talk about is freaking Friday to have them on Ferguson unit when you cut one eyebrow and you fight on the front. All that old stuff that they doing to try to flap it, try to fluff it up to make our youngsters feel like it's something to be proud of. But a lot of times that's a very degrading situation. Absolutely, yeah, I guess. I feel, that's a, I can see it. I mean, but those things happen, man. And those are real things in that, to survive that, you know what I'm saying? Because, you know, after 17 years, I went into prison. It took me about eight years to get straight, which means I did all that. I was in close custody and medium custody. I was on tearful unit. And, you know, I was on the serious units. I was on five different out of the units, you know what I'm saying? A lot of these people, they get called up on it, or a lot of people don't really, if you can make it past the discipline of TDC, because like I say, I went to prison in the 90s. You know what I'm saying? It was serious. And I went down there and I was from Dallas and it was just, you know, it was a lot of, it was a lot of, and I was pink. So a lot of people used to feel some type of way. So I immediately had to come in there and let people know who I am and what I stood for. So I didn't really have a lot of problems. And I didn't have a lot to, I didn't have no problem. Everywhere I went, I knew people. I was a problem. I was a troublemaker. I was a hard head. I stayed in medium custody. I knew all of the who's, who's or what's what. And I wasn't no joke. I wasn't no games. And like I said, I was in a lot of, I was on the ride in the, what's that, the Mesa? Yeah. The Mesa, Texas in April of 2000. That's the biggest ride in the state of Texas between the Mexicans and the blacks. Many people died on that ride right there alone. You feel me? But my thing is that to survive that, right? To survive all that, man. And then to turn around and be educated and to grow and then, like you say, to come out here and to build these guys up and to catch people coming home and to let them know that they can do it, that they built to do it. You know what I'm saying? And show them the way. You know what I'm saying? To get that, come out here and just grab ahold to your financial stability. Get your goals together and accomplish them one at a time and keep it simple. I gotta ask you this and I ain't gonna name no names but there's been a few people that's been named for snitching on the dead. Do you think it's okay or do you agree with somebody telling on somebody that's dead to get home? Or do you feel like somebody is okay to tell on somebody that's dead after a car wreck or and y'all might have got caught up in a drug situation or whatever? Do you feel it's okay to snitch on a person after they're dead and gone? No. I mean, no, I don't personally think it's, I don't think it's a good idea to tell on anything. So telling on somebody is really telling on yourself. I don't understand how people, when you're telling on somebody, right? For people who don't know, when you say, hey, they did A, B and C, you are also committing or you're letting it be known that you have, you truly have knowledge to a crime and they might got you on crime. So they got you and you gonna cooperate to get out of this situation, right? And so my thing is that I wouldn't do it because again, I already know that this is not, I guess when this happens, right? When this situation occurs for most people, they're under the assumption that nobody's gonna find out. Okay. Right? For me, I over stand, right? I grew up in jail. I already know that whatever you do, right? When you talking to a police officer, this is something that most regular people don't know. When you have a regular conversation with a police officer, that's not a conversation. That's an investigation. Every time that you talk to a police officer and he has a shirt on and a badge or whatever, right? That's not a conversation. That is an investigation because anything that you say that violates a criminal law, the police officer has no choice but to arrest you and he will, right? And then as soon as you say something that violates the law, then he's gonna tell you the most important news he should have been telling you since the conversation started. That is you have the right to remain silent. Why do you think police officers tell you this? Because if you say the wrong things, you implement yourself into a crime. Now, what happens with these criminals or these slick guys, these everything slick slide, I'm gonna tell on such and such. What happens is they did that and they thought that they was gonna get away. They was gonna claim that they was gonna do it. But as we all know, as anybody who did time know, everybody who just, we can look this up. If you did, if you told on somebody, I can, if I told on somebody, they can put my name in the computer and they can pull this up and my name will come up unless the file's been sealed or whatever. But this stuff is public knowledge. You can go get this and they will have all this information. It's called discovery, right? And they say, hey man, this is him, A, B and C. So you know that if you did this crime and then you know if you told on these people, you know what you did and you know the repercussions of playing around with the streets. So my thing is for these people doing this, stop playing with the streets. Stop breaking the law. If you wanna tell, don't break the law. They was just talking about six, nine. You feel me? Oh man, he should be able to, because they was gonna kill him and they was gonna do all this. Yeah, Fongmaster Flex said that. Fongmaster Flex said that he's gonna continue to play his music. I just talked about that. He's gonna play his music with everybody else telling me now. I mean, is this a thing where we support known people who have people getting people locked up and basically they come out on this music and they say this or say that and they stand on this music in a way to where they hardcore to, mean you being people who are not, I'm not a rapper. So, but when somebody says something they put themselves in a situation to be what they say they are, then they can turn around and say, like say a gunner, I'm done with that. I'm not really a street cat like that. You gotta let me out. It's just like people who do this, right? People who participate around street guys, cause I can't talk about myself cause I'm no longer a street guy, but I'm a street guy, right? When I was a street guy and we in the streets and that mean we gotta organize, we work together, we hit leaks, we break the law, we basically break the law to make money and take care of our kids. So we all together, we all know what's going on and we all agree that this is how it's supposed to be. This is between us, see? But that's how it was back in the day. And I don't know, everybody gets confused cause of how we did it. They assumed that everybody else is just gonna follow the leader, but this ain't no follow the leader. Because again, it was very hard for Stephen to be out in the street. This is when we was whooping, you couldn't be out in the street and be soft anyway. So now, ain't nobody getting beat up no more. You can't fight, ain't nobody doing nothing. You can't even be outside like we were back in the 90s. You feel me? So all type of powder puffs are in the street today in 2020. All type of soft people, they you paint your fingernails, they all inclusive, everybody. I can, there's people right now, it's young men right now painting their fingernails and saying, oh, I ain't gay, it's just part of the fair. And it's cool, all these people. And I'm saying, again, these people ain't growing up how we grew up. We grew up where if you was outside and anything soft about you, you gonna fight four or five times every day. You feel me? Every day you gonna fight, period. Especially if something soft or you're not coming outside, you gotta have the ability to fight or be ready to fight because that's how it was in the 90s. So if you can go out here and deal with this, then you are already prepared and you know what's out here is real. You seeing people get fight, not only you seeing people get killed behind playing with this street stuff. You ain't seeing that in 2020, none of that. You see it on auto, you seeing them on video games and you see they don't move. You is not seeing none of this, no more in 2020, nothing. You ain't nobody seeing nothing. Yeah, but one thing you gotta understand though, they still committing different type of crimes out here. They committing that, listen. They committing these crimes. Listen, Young Thug ends up in prison or in jail on a Rico charge because something has happened and there's things going down in the streets and there are other people with him now they're saying, you know what? I'm not with that street stuff, I'm done with that. Now I'm not even a gangster like that. I don't, shouldn't have to go to prison. It's a lot of people right now who think everything glitter is gold. Everything slick slide, right? You cannot be in the streets and think everything is gonna be, you know, everything is fair and all of us are gonna, we're gonna make it. And this is what's going on. These guys are going out here and they being disrespectful. They breaking the law. They doing everything a gangster. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's heard to do until it's time to be held accountable. But they got people out here that's campaigning that it's okay to do it. People who are on the internet, there's internet influencers that's saying it's okay to snitch before even the crime comes up because I'm telling it. I'm gonna tell, you know, basically. So these people are campaigning at before that. These are powder puffs. So again, they're not campaigning. They're saying, hey, look at me. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm the, I'm the guy who, and that's what I'm telling you. I had, I was talking to this pastor where I was dealing with, I was telling my partner about a pastor that I deal with out of South Dallas. And I was telling them, this dude from South Dallas, I'm from South Dallas. We both kind of do the same thing. But, you know, he went to university. I went to prison, you know what I'm saying? But now we're kind of still at the neck and neck. But his mind, he thinking we're the same. And I said, how can you think we were the same when we, you were never accepted in the hood? It's a lot of these people right now who say, I'm a street guy and I'm somebody. And I said, you were never accepted in the streets. Nobody never respected you. You never cause nobody his fear. You never cause a havoc. You, you were never a problem for nobody. Nobody respected you. Matter of fact, you ran through the hood. You couldn't even, somebody would rob you if you came in here talking like you're talking and walking like you're walking because nobody knows you and nobody cares about you. But that wasn't my life. I was different. But now we grown and you're looking at us like we're the same. And I'm like, we're not the same even though we're the same, but we're not. We're two different people. There's things that I can do that you could never do. And there's things that you can do that I can never do. You feel me? Your life was good. You play soccer. You was a good guy. You maintain good character. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, you and your father was a preacher. You know, your mother, everything was good. You got a good, I'm just talking about an ordinary person comparing himself to me. My father's dead. My mother's dead. Foster home. Being shot. Gang bang. 17 years. I went to prison for aggravated robbery and attempted murder. Gang bang. I'm a real, the real deal. I sold big drugs. I'm known on the streets. I did that stuff. I sold crack. I made crack. I was known for selling crack. I didn't never had a job until I was 30. You know what I'm saying? I was straight street. I didn't know nothing but street. That's all I knew. Street, street, street. So now for me to turn around, for me to turn around and say, that ain't the way. That's big. That ain't the way. I done all that. I had the jewelry. I was the first guy with the, I did all that. That's big. That's why I don't have no Rolex. That's big. And all that stuff. I can get it. You know what I'm saying? But I don't want that. I just want to help kids. I want to be a servant leader. I want to be an example. And the best way to tell kids is to show them. Not tell them. So before I can really get in front of them and do what I want to do, I got to create these businesses first. Man. I got to create these businesses. So I've been here. Man, the mentors in the building guys giving us that game that he always give us, man. So I don't want to cut you off but I got to get in these books cause we fit out to cut the interview. But I want to talk about the two, the books that you, you already talked about one. I want to talk about the other two that we hadn't talked about. What's one? Oh, the black, you've seen the black one. We talked about black, I got that one. Right. This is a Sudoku puzzle. That's the Sudoku puzzle. We talked about that one a little bit. And then what's the other one? The black excellence. Black excellence? Okay. And that's the hard copy. When did you get them? This is, I just got these last year. Wow. So I got the hard copies now. Man, like I said, for you to be here and to come out and be able to, you know, accomplish what you'd accomplish after doing 17 total years in prison. Right. That's hard, man. Right. And I just got my book registered to the Library of Congress. So now my book's in being the libraries. Man, that's hard. You see what I'm saying? Did you have a thing for going down to them law libraries trying to get out of prison to do to have books sitting in them? I never went to the law library. You never went? Listen, hold up. No, I went to the law library. But I never, I went to the law library to learn about constitutional law because I was guilty. You were straight up guilty. Yeah. Yeah, what? So you weren't trying to get out like the mother cat. No. Writing rips and trying to figure it out. That wasn't, no, see? No, that's not me. I'm guilty. I'm a real, I was glad for my time. Yeah. Because you could have got more. Man, I was supposed to have a graveyard in prison. Man, no. Man, these people don't know, man. That's why I say I blessed them all you tough guys. Hey, man. Hey, man, thank you so much, man. How can people get a hold to you if they trying to reach out to you? Man, I'm the mentor at Instagram, Facebook, you know what I'm saying? Twitter, you know, it's always manamdementor.com. My website, manamdementor.com. Let me know. I got websites, two tone delivery, LLC.com, long star exterior. LLC.com. These are, you can look, I'm in the corn pitch of me. I just want to tell you, man, we already know me and you family, so you'll be right back on here in a minute anyway. Man, let me say I'm proud of you. Man, thank you. And Mr. Maker. Man, you like the channel? Yeah, yeah. I like y'all becoming, man. Did Mr. Maker come with her points of view? You come, y'all always. Man, I come different, man. Mr. Maker not from where I'm from, man. She got a point of view. She always brings up herself. She be hard on people. She gotta be saucy. Because she gonna be thought provoking. She's gonna tell people. She wanna ask the people. She gonna ask the questions that the people wanna know. That's real, man. Thank you. Did I'm nosy? You're nosy. I'm nosy. That's part of that. And see, sometimes you need nosy people because as a street person, man, I don't have no pictures of, you know, when I had long hair and I had a bunch of jewelry. We're all pictures. I was like, man, if you were to took a picture of me, could we wouldn't nosy? No, I wouldn't take no pictures. Yeah, you don't take, don't put no cameras out of me. You don't take pictures. So it was dangerous. And I was that type of person, but this is called criminal mentality. Man. What that mean every night I had a gun under my pillow. Wow. Don't take no pictures of me. Don't record me. When you see me, it was always. It's a thought process. It's people, what I think it is, it's meeting people who can say certain things to open your eyes and open your mind to certain. Because even back then, if somebody had said to you, don't you wish you had a video of your mom or dad or your grandparents or whoever? Because back then people took pictures and pictures can burn up, get lost, whatever. But if you could put a video on social media somewhere, it's there forever. Your grandkids gonna always see when you're gone, when they couldn't hear your voice. My books will always be here. But the difference is your books will always be there. That's something that came from you, but they can't hear your voice through your book. When they can listen to this interview and be like, that's grandpa. That's your great grandfather. That's your such and such. Or they can look at you and say, that's him. Oh, that's where I got my nose from. That's where I got my such and such from. You know how people are. So gangster or not, if someone could say that to a person, they might do a video and hide it somewhere. For nobody else's. You gotta think about it. He lost his mother and his father. Yeah, I remember. When he wasn't even, he was, how were you when you lost your mother? You was six months old. Six months old, how, when you lost your father? I wasn't even born. You weren't even born? He was died New Year's. I was born five months after he was killed. See what I'm saying? So it gets very significant when you start to look back at how the importance of it is. If you can see those people. If family members, somebody could have had that to show you, here's a video of your father. Here's a video of your mother. You could have hold onto that. You know what I mean? That's something you would hold dear. Something I would definitely want to see. Cause I, cause you never seen them, right? Man, it's something, it's my reality. And I tell people, man, and that's why when I listen to your story, y'all tell me, I'll be, no matter how bad your story is, I'll be like, ha, ha, man. You know what I'm saying? People are like, yeah, this happened. This happened. I'll be like, really? Yeah, okay. What else? You know, like, can you fix it? Cause your dad's there. Your mom's there. Your mom's there. Yeah, you can still fix it. It's still fixable. Cause they are alive. You know what I'm saying? But mine's there. They can't fix it. It's not fixable. And having that situation, I guess I'm more positive to people when they tell me the situation. I can tell hope. I can tell them what they would never think about because most people don't never, most people have that. Most people have it. So they never think about not having. So they really don't appreciate it. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. We love you, brother. As I always say, to all the people that sit in that seat because it's all about love, man, and trying to bring unity like you talked about earlier, you know, to our families and letting people see that we can do something together. So thank you, ma'am. It's always a blessing when you come on the show, man. Like I say, you family, so you forever gonna be sitting in that seat of this seat as long as I'm here. So at the end of the day, you gotta come back and do some co-hosting for me. You gotta do that. I gotta bring you back so we can talk to maybe Randy, the guy, the singing. Oh, big, oh yeah. You call it. I call him Gold Front. I call him Randy, but bringing him, when I bring him back, if you will, come back. We needed, me and him needed, we needed to tell you some stories. We about to get into it. I'm telling you now. Man, we got stories. Well, I get him over here because he ready to come back right now. I'm gonna call you right back. We just gotta do them and both of y'all off work and stuff, man. You guys both, he was locked up for 24 years. You were locked up for 17 years. And one thing about me, he gonna tell you the truth. He my old G and he'll tell you, when I came in the prison, he was on cold field way longer than me. He came, he from South Dallas too. He was right there. He can tell you the evolution of me. How I came in and I was. We about to talk about it. See that's what I'm telling you. You feel me? It's gonna be a good show. And how I went from being new, how I came to cold field, how everybody greeted me, how I evolved, how I grew and grew and grew and grew and grew and how he was just like, man, you know, he'll tell you that. And he'll tell you how I was and who I was and how I was. And I can tell you about him and how he was. And not only that, cold field is a rare place. And it's, but he's a real one. That's a real, like I don't talk to a lot of people. I don't deal with a lot of people. That's, I can say that's, that's one of my boy. He was there. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. It's been another great segment. A boss talk one-on-one when a boss is talked. And we out.