 I first realized music was something I wanted to do when I was 23 years old. And I saw a fabulous singer at the Big Easy, a guy by the name of Nigel Hall, I used to go down and watch him every Tuesday night and was completely floored by him and all the other musicians in Portland that are just phenomenal. He wasn't the only one, my dad was a musician, my uncle Phil, I mean music has been around me for a long time but when you hit a certain age that you can't play basketball anymore then you've got to look to kind of do something that you're passionate about and I had a little bit of ability to do it so I just practiced, you know, I just loved it. I write a song, I'll usually start playing the guitar quite a bit, come up with different progressions, different keys that I like to sing in and try and put melodies to it and as I've gotten older it's been a lot harder because you get real picky. At first it was easy, it was like oh this sounds cool, that's a song, you know, but as you kind of get older and you listen to a lot more music and you go see other music and you just kind of evolve as a person, you kind of grow up, it's just, you kind of, it becomes more personal to you and you get picky, you know, so that's kind of where I'm at now. I used to play with like a seven piece band and that's from, when I first started playing I got together with some friends through friends and put together a band and we came out with like two albums and probably five years so that was pretty exciting. These days back then it was hard to keep the band together, Portland's a very incestual music scene which is a good thing but it kind of got to the point where the band was just like trying to take a break and it's been a long break but you know, maybe we'll get back together, who knows. As I go forward with music it's honestly, it's kind of like when I was a kid when I wanted to play sports I'd practice and practice and practice and try different things and it's a lot of the same evolution when it comes to music, you know, I've been playing the guitar for a while, I played some piano for a while which was nice so that kind of can mix it up and it gets, you know, keeps you fresh and creative and all that. I just bought a jambay drum, a hand drum so that'll be interesting to kind of get some YouTube lessons on how to play a benje, you know. But yeah, I don't know where, I mean, I'd like to do a solo record with some of my favorite players of original music, kind of see where that lands, you know. I don't think I'll ever stop playing music, you know, it's kind of a, it gives me great balance because during the day I work with kids and teach and at night I get to gig or I get to go home and play my guitar and write, I get to learn new tunes, you know. So I got kind of a good rhythm going now with kind of gigging on Friday and Saturday nights and working during the week and, you know, having the summers just to gig, you know, it's just, it's great balance and I've learned that that's really important for me. Probably a lot of people have that kind of balance in their life.