 Welcome back to the breakfast and plus TV Africa we set up with the papers and we have a zikko and I took who joins the conversation is it a good morning and thank you for joining us good morning and thank you for having all right let's take a look at the punch PDP crisis is what's making it on the punch this morning it takes the bold caption agreed NWC members protests exclusion from presidential campaigns and that's what's boldly written underneath national women leader writes a protest letter vice chairman chieftain or chieftains lament that would be you know a lot for the PDP now there's a deliberate attempt to sideline sadness claims body judge wikia or tom mackinday orders not bigger than party says pro iu nwc member i mean what we think that's you know the PDP should be responding to what transpired you know what's been going on with wikia probably a suspension or something but that's not the case hashtag ends us states fail to compensate victims and please warn protesters so funny federal government records over five trillionaire deficit in eight months and teleco's fume as federal government orders tariff hike reversal Nigerian student dependent contribute 1.9 billion pounds to united kingdom that's according to the report you also find flood 4,885 ogun houses submerged and federal government absorbs come around this is really saddening really i'm not sure you want to be in that situation but you know hats and prayers with those who've lost their lives properties is never trains core members in disaster management icky to speaker dies of kadiak arrests a government wants a labor market traders hoodlums clash one fiat queued you have the legacy but an espress nightmare persists motorist demand alternative routes these are some of the headlines you find this morning on the punch news people and over to the nation the big one there how we will fund how we will fund 10.78 trillionaire budget deficit by minister shall be interesting to make an interesting point interesting read to know how they intend to fund that the rider to that 7.04 trillionaire expected as domestic loans 1.7 trillionaire from foreign sources 1.77 trillionaire from multilateral loans and the nation has put out given the breakdown of the sectoral votes there you can check the front page for your uh for more information buhari heads apc presidential campaign council uh full list on pages 28 and 29 of the nation newspaper nigeria loses 9 000 doctors to uk us and canada in two years icky to speaker dies at 66 reps committee okay sale of polaris bank president signs startup bills got some uh a pump uh with the announcement of that by the presidency twitter handle uh yesterday ipb federal government appeals judgment freeing kanu okay pandemonium as a labor international market traders protest extortion or by rte a and papers already uh finger those things are the ones they're protesting against um fascia explains legacy battle expressway delay second niger bridge ready uh quara government ex governor amit clash over collapsed one 3.7 billionaire on the past bridge and show you know this also has to do with the ongoing flooding as well in the state those are some of the headlines you can find me in the part in the nation this morning let me turn our attention to the daily trust newspaper federal government records 5.3 trillionaire deficit uh miss revenue targets by 34 percent our revenue target dips by 72.9 percent to convert 20 trillionaire cbn loan to 40 a bound a bond a subsidy hampering revenue growth finance minister is quoted on that these are the riders uh underneath the boat caption and you have brain drain niger and left with 24 000 doctors to how many populations so uh what's the ratio of a doctor to patient now it could be one is to 500 or one is to 600 or one is to 5000 nm pc spent 788 billionaire on salaries for ex entertainment and others uh repose in a apc as a demo replaces suspended directors and just before move away now from the daily trust second niger bridge completed abhija kaduna road uh 50 percent that's what fascia is saying and buhari signs niger is that a bill into law i will appeal judgment to reaffirm my victory fan who's saying that gunman q 23 in benway village these are the headlines this morning on the daily trust news people and the last paper on our table is daily sign the big story that 2023 campaigns military bars politicians from using its images visuals military bars politicians from using its images visuals um naira will be devalued by 20 in 2023 says bank of america 83 high-debt service threat to revenue next-year finance minister ip will be charges are these governors evil leaders to speak for kanu's release or shiba joe in gigi are the presidential aspirants missing in new apc pc c buhari t nor great new apc pc c members tibu's policy document tomorrow 1.9 million nigerians living with hiv says us pvc's for voters registered from june uh january rather to june 2022 ready for collection microsoft to train 5 million nigerians on the in high demand scales as buhari signs nigeria set a bill into law legus alaba market shutters traders clash with touts legus alaba market shut as traders clash with touts obajana kogisu's dangote seeks order restraining company from benefiting uh incompetent agreement uh details on page page 25 of the sun suspected heretics killed two policemen 16 others in benway uh headlines on the front page of uh the daily sun uh this morning and at this time would like to bring in i guess uh is equal in itica for um his analysis um is going to thank you very much for your time um let's look at the presidential campaigns of uh the leading political parties um and i don't mean to say that labor party or even adc it's not leading but the two leading ones that have held power in the country before the pdp as captured on the front page of um the the punch in his paper with the headline aggrieved n wc members protest exclusion from presidential campaign this is in a pdp crisis and of course we're here in the president buhari leading the apc presidential campaign with a son saying that uh oh shiba genki and other presidential aspirants are missing on that list so please give us your analysis of the two pcc's yeah um again thanks for having me and um as unhappy as i am for you to box me into talking about two parties that really are two sides of a coin and the wrong side of the coin uh makes me a little bit but this is um a newspaper review but so let me uh bow to your wish as it were the first thing is that these people when you hear them fight over wanting to be on the bill is because you know the presidential campaign council is where you have a lot of money a lot of funds to throw around a lot of um you know jamborees so it's not about um going to do the work but but being part of the chopping spree and that's become you know synonymous with our campaign councils so you find love group being very unhappy they're not there now by right it should be something that people want to be part of because of maybe having in their political CV that they were part of this council or part of that council that should be a positive thing but more often than not it's not about everyone going to do the work but about the part of the lages that come with them campaigns and it is very sad that campaigns should be jamboree times i think that inek really needs to come hard on what campaigns should be like they should be structures where you have town hall meetings where you have engagements with the people and not about all these rallies and all sorts of contracts at a time that we really don't have the money you know i always tell people that you can tell the future from the present because the foundation of the present determines what the future is going to be a lot of people that are contested right from political parties that say you must bring a hundred million naira for you to be able to buy a presidential form or 50 million naira to be for you to buy a governorship form to aim it that says governorship you cannot spend more than one billion or the presidency you cannot spend more than five billion and i've been issue from the beginning from the get go they know that even 50 billion is like chance player for presidency and when you come to the governorship where i'm involved with rights now you realize that people are thinking in terms of 30 billion and you know humongous amount of money to do what to get into service or serve a state that is bankrupt some things just don't match they just don't add up as far as i'm concerned and i think that we need to come back and completely review our understanding of government and the essence of government our political processes and our leadership recruitment criteria or processes or dynamics in in arriving at our leaderships i think that the whole thing just makes me feel very very unhappy makes me feel very sad and almost depressed that look at look at our budget look at how how we want to fund our budget how many who are sitting down to understand that when you get into this seat how many how many governorship candidates how many presidential candidates really understand the situation we are in today and how they tend to manage it and if that be the case these monies that you are getting where are they coming from and what is the understanding especially at the state level there's a lot of political funding going on by what i call the political investors they see a state and they say this state is viable they get a candidate they pump money into the state and the understanding is for them to have a constant chop of off the budget of the state and i think that we the Nigerians the office of the citizen need to wake up and sit up and really ask ourselves hard questions as we go into 2023 so the issue of those campaign councils for me it's being part of the jamboree and it's a sad commentary Ezekiel yes let's share your thoughts on the Niger bridge a lot of Nigerians have been talking about it i mean you have the minister fashula saying that it's been completed but some people are reacting differently others are saying completion without any link talking about the link roads to Asaba and to other parts it's a lot of consent for some people while all this have actually queried the standard some say it's really nasty i'm just saying in the words of the people now but what are your thoughts okay as a project administrator and as a consultant there are many technical languages that you must understand to know whether somebody's telling the truth or is telling a lie now completion there's what you call practical completion okay and then it's a completion stage and then you now have the total completion and secondly there is the project and there is the the the the the the things that add to the project for instance even to build a bridge and i tell you i have built the bridge i may not be lying to you but you know that you need to have access to the bridge but that wasn't my contract my contract was to build the bridge i have built the bridge even if it has no access to anywhere so but when you want to be honest to become holistic you know that the bridge there was an essence to that bridge that bridge was to divert traffic or to ease traffic or to give alternate traffic so until there is a movement of the traffic from where it was through the bridge to where they are going and until that bridge is usable even at practical completion there are still some works that be going on but it can actually be used you know like if you have a house at practical completion maybe you can move into the house while they are still doing the external works because the the plumbing system is working well the electrical is working well but you see the environment they need to clean up the environment that doesn't stop you from being able to stay in the house while you work in the environment you know the landscaping which will be a vital part of the environment so i need to know whether he's giving us a technical you know definition or he's giving us a practical definition these are two aspects and he might not be telling a lie if he says that the bridge is completed secondly it is completed to specification the specification may not be your expectation these are two different things you need to be put to align for instance if my specification says that i'm going to have you know to scrape the floor in which case it's just ordinary cement there he don't we don't even have any form of tiling not to talk of marble we don't have anything you know that was my specification so to me i have been able to deliver to specification to you it might be on appealing visually because who lives in a house with a cement screed floor you need to have at the very least a tiling if you don't want to have a terrazzo or you want to have a marble or other fancy stuff at the very least you need to have a tiling but if that was not my specification you cannot say i've not completed i have completed but it is not to your head so when you put all these dynamics into play you may understand why the the the minister may not be wrong it is up to us to go and look at what the specifications were the professionals that we are and then enlighten the public and say probably for reason of funds we couldn't have marble so they just had tiling so let's manage that so for me he might not be lying i've not been there all i know is that the second Niger bridge would be a blessing that i know for a fact so within that context i will also applaud the federal government for completing it they did not initiate it better government is a relay race it's a continuum you know one person passes the button to the next you know like the man who says um paul so apollo's water god gave the increase all right uh i took let's go over to the punch in newspaper uh i think uh one of the things we are always always looking out for uh to to highlight is the flood situation in the country it's a very dire one very sad one and one of the stories on the front page of the punch is uh talking about um the situation in ogum state which has not been highlighted as one of the states affected or received as much coverage as um likes of biostates biostate kugi state quara state and even uh river state or anambra state but ogum state according to the punch has 4885 houses of mesh of course 33 out of the 36 states affected so we know ogum is affected but the punch is given as details of what's going on there 4885 houses of mesh but the paper also says that the federal government is absorbing uh the neighboring republic of uh kemeron from all of this in fact the paper says that the federal government through the minutes of water resources uh mrs sulayman adamu has said that the lakdodam in kemeron was not responsible for the flooding that has devastated parts of nigeria you know uh for me when i looked at all the news flying around in the pictures and videos you know i said okay you know we have dispension for you know spreading fake news and people are coming and i could smell it and i could smell it um so what the federal government has come out to say that this is not true it's not a lakdodam responsible um do you agree are they trying to to say face uh with all the narrative of all the federal government didn't build their own dam they were meant to build after kemeron built theirs on the river uh niger or river ben rasid where um the issue of the flooding is one issue that um i don't know if i can just make a comment or two uh but it's it's pretty fundamental fundamental to the end that when you see lives affected when you see what people are going through and you read the different commentaries there's a very clear disconnect between people in government and the essence of them being there in government i don't want to know why the people have not eaten i want to know the effort you are making to make sure that if they will soon eat i want to know what you are doing to address the situation now i want to comment at this point a man like mr peter obi that i said come o presidential candidates we are going to be facing this issue again very soon because a year comes faster and this comes every year what can we do even holistically or you know uh completely to see how we can address this can we can we have a talk on it or something because when you see some of the images and and imagine that that could have been your village that could have been your relation that could have been your people our hearts must go out to them on one hand and the government must be asked to sit and tell us what they want to do absolving the Cameroonian government of any complicity or wrongdoing i don't see how that solves it puts gary on the food on the plate of those people that are that are homeless please tell me what the problem what your short-term medium-term long-term solutions are and how we are factoring it we have just sent a budget for next year what is in the budget that shows what we want to do against next year you know i think it was um we seen Churchill that says that hope is the anchor that stabilizes the soul let this will actually have hope that maybe in the nearest future they'll be able to go back or something so i'm not really impressed by say oh which is not their fault whose fault is it yeah you've already said so this is one aspect of um of what the the minister said and i mean you're right you know but uh one of the things that we're grappling with this in this country would also be information management with this administration we know i've done so well with and uh i don't know if we can fault the minister for first pointing out that okay let's let's address this issue because it uh it rubs off badly on the government when uh i mean they we hear that they're not doing their part or they didn't do their part of the of the agreement to Cameroon and that's where we're started uh misinformation can do some harm you know but but just to address your your your your very very important point on what are you doing what he's saying as part of the story is that um he raised the issue what the punch is saying rather is that he raised the issue of floods in the country during the budget ministry's budget defense is the minister of water resources the budget defense and uh what efforts the minister was making about uh about the the what do you call it the situation so i think that is a covered and he was asked this question he had to he had to reply respond to it so they've done that as far as the budget is concerned but like you're saying uh probably you're trying to say more needs to be done yeah yeah it's you know if you are if i government i say it again you need to understand how governance works you know one of the things i found i was being the housing that was vice chairman of the national housing update and review committee and and um one of the things i saw was that it was said that the cries of the people woke up government woke up that's the word that was used now government applies what they call lines of least resistance so if i was the minister for waterways and things like that long before now what i would have done before going for budget defense was to have a major engagement with the people which are allowed to do that and let the people make this noise so loud and clear that there's something has to be done you should say what should be done and they say this is going to be done it's going to cost so it's like an interaction with the people so by time you go for budget defense they would already have heard so much known so much and you know it's a strategy game there are people in government lack of strategy and it bothers me so him going there as a lone voice all those people in the panel they are going to be looking in terms of with all due respect what is going to come in there for them and those that are not directly affected are going to be complacent but if they had gotten you know the the the public behind them then before you even appear at the budget defense you realize that they would have been aware already you would be presenting to them what what what was the consensus within the public within the public space so i think that well i thank him for the efforts he's made and clearing the air on certain area but i think that we need to be a little more proactive and again it comes down to our governance style there's so much problems so much so that a hundred percent of our budget cannot effectively address one segment of our concerns so the issue is what sort of governance system and structure where do we cut the waste stages nobody's talking about this these are the things that should really be concerned when you see the move the train the movement to support mr peter will be let Nigerians sit down and think why this man it's not about him coming from Ebola no i am one person you know i belong to a different party though my party is having quite some issues right now on the presidential beat and them but i have been a student of peter will be over the years if we go to my facebook page peter will be governance what does it mean a governance system that you have value you have feelings for the money of the people where you think in terms of value for money so so we're able to capture all the issues quickly because we don't have time on our side and let's quickly take a look at you know the daily trust newspaper it talks about brain drain and the reports from the nigerian medical association were left with 24 000 doctors looking at the statistics from the world meter elaboration it's the latest data from the united nation where the current population of nigeria is at 217 million people plus some fraction and so health is wealth that's what they say what becomes of the health of nigerians with 24 000 doctors to look after 217 million people plus i'll tell you this number one is that my wife is a medical doctor very very senior and highly resident many you know medical consultant physician and number one is that the parents spend a lot of money to send her to school number two she's got a lot of bills to pay number three is that she did education as a means of livelihood to a great extent like every other person so the issue is where do i get value for money and my services appreciated nigerians don't think that the health care is a priority as a result the treat health care you know a specialist or those that deliver health care with with levity with with no respect to start with it's not a priority to them we have more priority on what they call 12 subsidy this thing that is a president called a scam as opposed to things like education health care housing it is a lack of so these people go to where they have been welcomed and they have been well remunerated you can stop them the least you can do is sit back so many of them that would have left many of them alternatives are stained but because of their parents maybe they are those taking care of their parents and you know if i am sitting with my mother aged mother and i can't leave or one thing or the other so many other people is not about for for lack of a better incentive but if if if these other people couldn't care less and leave will be left with an abysmal number that we want to want to talk about bottom line is this let the incoming let us put pressure on all the presidential candidates and ask them for their policies on health care on education on housing those basics to start with that's the only way to address these issues holistically unless you give the doctors something that makes sense some of them are very patriotic extremely patriotic but they are not going to die because they are pictured but but uh is it going yeah i took that sounds very fantastic it's okay for us and Nigerians to put pressure and ask those who would be taken over office in 2023 what their plans are but but if you want to juxtapose it with the entire constitutional process i mean the fact that it's still lingering because you have only 11 states who have actually said given a not to it and 25 yet to give a not to some critical bills it's a lot of process i don't think you know one person one man alone can solve the problem uh being a president because you would also have uh you know a legislative house and so it's a lot let's pray that we get to that point where everything works let me let me let me shock you let me shock you Nigerians are about the most understanding set of people have seen in the whole world and all they need is a leadership that's seen and committed Nigerians are very understanding this is the time that if we have a president we must have a president that communicates with the people all the time we must have a president that has capacity to communicate with the people of the time any president that's able to communicate with the people and has charisma the chance to carry Nigerians along will get away with no other to be able to do a lot of things but we have a president right now who is with us effectively so everybody knows what to do if you have a president comes up and say guys this is not okay we've got to get this done i want to tell you that the national assembly the state after assembly the governors that come in let us be careful who we are going to vote for in 2023 once we have people with the same hair who come in for service they will do what is in the interests of the country because the throwing money and all these are entrepreneurs you know poly trainers who are just coming to collect money once they come in they will never take an action that will be against their money you know grabbing initiative see what's going on in n dbc unfortunately we cannot get into it and i think that i've been closing up to the leadership of n dbc and i got the pressure put on them from the national from the presidency to bring that money to fund the nation and sometimes i don't know if i have to excuse the leadership of n dbc because they're just points and tools and the pressure is enormous to fund quality to fund quality to address our qualities and not about governance all right then i took we have to go but we appreciate you and your time on the program thanks for having me it's always a pleasure god bless you all all right then that's the much we can take at this point and off the press i took her as being you know with us kofi and it's always you know great to have him share his thoughts on some national issues we'll be right back we'll take a look at what happened today in history today being the 20th of october 2022 and where we come back we start our special coverage of ansar's protest leaky massacre two years on stay with us