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It's been terrific When you leave a five-star of you it makes a difference because the right people find us So my question to you today is have you ever felt That reality contains a spiritual dimension hidden from your five senses Well, my guest today is Transformational leader and author Lee Harris who says that Spiritual dimension became startlingly real one day when he began communicating with The Z's a group of non-physical beings from another plane of reality Lee Harris has written a new book and that book is called energy speaks He's also an intuitive medium musician and visual artist and in 2004 Lee began holding channeling sessions in readings in his home and today he leads workshops throughout the world He's a native of England, but we are so lucky to have him now based in, California You can visit Lee Harris online at Lee Harris energy Calm Lee welcome to dear to dream. It's all amazing to have you Debbie. Thank you for having me It's lovely to be him. Thank you for that lovely introduction pleasure and As I alluded to you in the beginning and just to give a profound Thank you, you know there are but I know I used to have clients who are channels I do a lot of media consulting out in the world and they used to call people who facilitate connections runners And so using their term We have a runner and my friend Amy is the one who Several times said wow, there's this guy and I follow him and in every video He puts out is so profound and sometimes it went over the top And she always had a send out the link to myself and another friend and say watch this watch this And I would because the conversation you provide is the conversation. I enjoy so it was Lee Harris So imagine my surprise not When your publicity manager came to me and said oh by the way, I've got a client Would you be interested in interviewing them and now here you are connecting with me? Well, yeah, thank you. Thank you to Kim who is the New World's library The publisher I'm with their publicity manager for connecting us And and thanks, you know, it's funny you said about the conversation. I I feel like so I create these energy updates every month the videos you're referring to and they're free on YouTube and I feel like My job is to be a conversation starter in those videos for for for us all of us to kind of If if you resonate with those videos, then you can have conversations with your friends conversations with yourself I often feel that my job is really to Translate energy into the best language I can So that all of us can make it more real because energy is so real in our lives and yet None of us really grew up being taught that or being asked to focus on that And I think that's what's so fascinating about the time we're in now where that's becoming part of the conversation Globally in so many different ways. So yeah, it's really interesting I appreciate what you just shared and even the title of your book energy speaks because It's the one thing I've gotten right in my life, right? And and that's not to put down my life or my choices because I feel like I've had a Lot of great things happen. What I mean is the one thing that has consistently been Perfect is when I follow energy It seems to be the one thing I can do, right? Because logically I've never been able to make a choice or decision with great ease But when energy presents to me and there's a sense of something like just this big yes No matter what goes on here. I have learned enough to just blindly if you will follow it And it's amazing to me what unfolds How does that work for you? Very similar, you know, I think I think the one way that I followed energy when I was younger was creativity So I was a highly creative child. I now know I was also very intuitive But I didn't really understand that in terms of people that didn't happen until my late teens and Probably not unlike you or anybody listening at first. It was It was having to will myself to follow or trust my instinct I had to learn what's the difference between a mental thought and a feeling and usually the difference is The mental thoughts have all the answers or they think they do and they can tell you why you should or shouldn't do something Six or seven ways, but the intuition is usually a little mysterious and you don't really know what you're walking into a lot of The time and sure your thoughts can help you strategize or can sometimes stop you putting all your life savings into an Instinct, which you know, I think many of us have jumped out of the plane without a parachute to learn that But but intuition is always leading us forth into creating something very new in our life or or going a way that we wouldn't normally go and It's interesting because I've done this work professionally now for 15 years and One of the things that surprises me is how much we as people don't understand how intuitive we are So especially if I've ever been introduced at a party as a channel or an intuitive You always know who you're talking to based on how they react So, you know, there's some people and you know, they'll go. Oh, that's interesting Or what does that mean tell me more? And then there's some people who like They fold their arms and and and so what what what what it took me years to figure out is we're all intuitive because we all read Energy all of the time. So for example, I Could come on your show and say to you hi Debbie I'm so happy to be here and my energy is what tells us what those words mean So, you know, I could go hi Debbie. I'm so happy to be here or I could go Hi Debbie. I'm so happy to be here and immediately all of us get a feeling of what my energy is So I always question anybody who says they aren't intuitive I think we're all reading and sensing all of the time But you have to number one believe that that energy is transmitting information that you're picking up on and number two learn to trust it and Trust your gut feeling more than what your sister tells you you should or shouldn't do based on either her experience or logic and and That's the bit that I think we all tend to find difficult Because that's not how most of us were raised certainly not in our generation Jenny Debbie I think more people younger people have that maybe but our our generation. It's it's not what we grew up in most of us Yeah, absolutely, and it's not supported at large in society either So it's a it's an interesting way to function because it has a lot of flow to it And yet it's actually against the flow of what we're shown or taught is correct out there Yeah, yeah, and you alluded to your beginnings and and how you were intuitive But not in touch with your intuition and I know that in the year 2000 when you were 23 years old This is when your whole life really started to change and I love this that you heard the voice of Your spirit guides for the first time on your way to work on the London underground train I mean what a public place to have that happen So can you talk a little bit about that transformational time and what occurred for you? so I was on a path of healing I had gone through my teenage years dealing with my sensitivity and my intuition and Also knowing that I wasn't a heterosexual and kind of trying to figure that out and Recognizing that was going to be a problem in society or at least that's what society was telling me I dealt with that through becoming addicted to sugar and I was taken to Weight Watchers age 10 I was in and out of diet clinics all my teens yo-yo yo-yo-ing with weight And then I kind of crowned it with bulimia in my late teens So I had a lot of personal healing to do I had to kind of pick myself out of the rubble of all of that and it you know it took years and years and years and I Went to lots of healing workshops and was very interested in metaphysics But no part of me either thought I would be a channeler or wanted to be a channeler because to be honest It's kind of inconvenient especially back then, you know, it's not like you know You go into a I was really passionate about music and that was where I thought I was going So if you say to most people, oh, I'm a singer-songwriter Most people go oh cool because everybody likes music and if you say to people I'm a channeler It's like oh, you know as the whole and I was like, oh god. I already had to come out as gay I don't want to have to do this as well. So It was it was a bit of a shock when it happened But also part of the reason that me having that happened to me on the London Underground was so weird Was I really had it in my head that I should have been on a vegan diet three months into meditating in some Monastery somewhere for that to happen. I didn't understand But actually the power for me of it happening on the underground is that I now tell people all the time Oh Channeling does not it's it is it's a sacred thing in a certain way But you also have to kind of come down to earth and go all of life is sacred We can have a heart opening on the tube or the train and we can have a heart opening in a monastery And they're just they're just different places different spaces. So When I first heard them After kind of realizing it wasn't schizophrenia because I had to stay open to that for the first 24 hours or so I just heard this direct voice and I was sifting through all the negative Beating myself up thoughts that I had that morning, which is typical for me at that time And all of a sudden there was this voice from the left that said that's a very interesting idea, but you're wrong I was like, huh? Cuz this this had never happened before and The thing I was really thinking about in that moment was an argument that I was having with my then partner and They proceeded to explain why I was wrong Why it was my fault? What was triggering me with no I didn't feel chastised. I didn't feel shouted out. I didn't feel judged But as soon as they explained what was going on everything in my awareness and my body just opened and So I Asked like is this schizophrenia or you make they said we're your guides and we've been talking to you since childhood But you've never been able to hear us and that triggered some memories of like dreams a recurring dream I used to have when I was a kid and I talk about that in the book and What happened for me then was I spent the next three four months asking them questions every night when I would come home from my My day job, which at the time was in fundraising I would ask them millions of questions about my life about people in my life about The universe at large and to this day. I still channel and I still channel publicly in on some recordings But what actually happened for me through really trusting and working with and listening to my guides is it made me trust my own intuition even more and It it it gave me this new relationship where the world was no longer black and white It was suddenly many colors and I had to include spirit The one thing I will say is that was very easy for me personally because it always felt like home and talking to them does Still feel like home. What made me most nervous about it was trying to explain it to other people and Having to deal with other people's reactions toward it So that was that was the trickiest thing about it, but the minute I met them It was like oh we're family. I get this. I don't know how but it just it was just undeniably Useful helpful loving and a game-changer Beautiful, you know, I was so grateful in the beginning in the introduction of your book when you talk about your child Frankly, there was so much I could relate to There was a lot of talk about the emotional pain that you felt and Trying to find comfort from a world where you felt like a stranger like Very powerful and you went on to say that this is a quote from you that we as human beings are never truly alone And never really outsiders that each one of us is has an irreplaceable part of something greater than we can imagine So true and we're we're all I think of us all as jigsaw puzzle jigsaw puzzle pieces So we're part of this tapestry and we all have a part to play in for example One of the things that I learned and I love hearing that you related to the introduction because I I really feel that You know, there's one voice among us There's one story among us and it doesn't mean That everybody's story is gonna connect with you in every moment of your life But I feel that the more I have done this work and gone around the world and met people and given voice to Things that I've experienced all that the collectives have experienced it gives us all a chance to Liberate ourselves from the old story Because that level of sensitivity Either to the pain of others or the pain of ourselves or the pain of the world It's a real roadblock Until you figure out the gift within it and how to access the gift within it So for me, I was stalked by my guides with messages for people Until I kind of surrendered and did it as a job and then I realized I was on my path Even though this was not the path. I thought I was going down. I was going into music This wasn't even a career Surely no one would come for a reading when my friends suggested you should do readings I you know, she was a shaman and a yoga teacher Should I've got a mailing list of 300 people? Let me send you out to them and I did it because I was just daring myself to face all my fears at that point Based on some of the workshops I was attending I didn't realize it was going to take me the way it has taken me But I feel that that's where we have to listen to the intuition the intuition will walk us into opportunities experiences and Essentially help us break our patterns If we're willing to go with it. So Yeah, you just have to get you have to get good at discomfort I think when you live intuitively which I'm sure you and everyone listening knows Yeah, you have so many big big Subjects in this book. I love it relationships sex sexual energy I mean, it's no joke and and as I was teasing you like just a few notes. I love seeing that. That's so cool abundance Yeah opening to love so I want to try to bring some of these aspects in here because I felt they were profound But I yeah, sorry, yeah, I thought I thought you'd finish but carry on please the end of that thought is this Because you addressed something that I really appreciated here, which is About people who are sensitive and empaths. So I for sure Claire sent him Impa 100% don't know what else but for sure. I do know those And as a sensitive if you will it's a beautiful way to title that These subjects I thought were really important To talk about so I have ideas and questions that I want to ask To facilitate maybe some of the listeners, but I also want to acquiesce to what popped for you as well Well, I was just going to say that you know one of the gifts I was writing a whole other book and it was in my voice and it was a much more intuitive It was yeah, and that book may still still appear But everything started pointing towards put the channeled material out So 85% of the book is channeled material and because we had 15 years 12 we started the book three years ago. So about 12 years to pull from I was able to literally go Okay, we're going to do the greatest hits. We're going to do the most popular topics We're going to do the best that the kind of recordings that have been the most consumed Because I wanted it to be of the most use to people And I also didn't know if I would ever do another channeled book again. So I was like, okay Let's just really put it all in there But to kind of pick up on what you said next This the words sensitive and empath are tricky because people tend to I've kind of seen everything with those words Empaths sometimes believe They are better than other people because they're empaths and my argument is always that we're all everything So just in the same way that we're all somewhere on the autism spectrum So to Yeah, all of us all of us are on every energy spectrum somewhere We might be at 0.1 percent of it, but I believe that we're all intersecting with everything on the planet at the time I really do and So empaths and sensitives are people who have a very high degree of empathy and sensitivity versus The average person existing at the same time on the planet But the problem can be I think that many empaths and sensitives have lived with their wounds for so long for some of them It can become an identity And feeling like a victim in the world can become an identity And I certainly had my times where I felt like a victim of my sensitivity. So one of my great passions is Okay Human life isn't easy for anybody and I'm not saying it doesn't have its wondrous high moments It's peaceful because it has all of that But it's also challenging as well. And that's a truth for everybody who's walked this earth so What are the sensitives and the empaths here to teach and I believe that the healed empath and the healed sensitive Who isn't being dominated by their wounds on a daily basis? Sure. They'll come up for healing periodically. That's part of being a human They have gifts to share with the world that are going to help the rest of the world get in touch with their empathy and their sensitivity So my passion is really working with that group To help them find their powers. So one of mine has been creativity and one of mine has been Using my healing work to help others heal themselves And I look at you debbie and it's like perfect. You are here Giving voice holding space Bringing positive energy to people. So I think that's where the sensitive and the empath side of of my work in this book um Why it had to play such a big part because I feel like empaths and sensitives at this time in history Are poised to go to the next level in their lives to kind of shake off the shackles of being marginalized or feeling marginalized and boy, oh boy When that group Have their stuff together and are able to put stuff into the world It awakens the empathy and the sensitivity in every single soul on the planet to the to the degree that They need so I will just caveat by saying We also need doctors. We need people who are driven. Everybody is needed. Everybody is their specific jigsaw piece, but That was a part of my mission and a part of my jigsaw piece to kind of help be an activator for the sensitives and the empaths An activator and a support Yes, 100% Thank you for that and I think the pieces that are The many pieces in this book are very helpful for them to be poised because without the self love How could they without the abundance? How could they without the right? Relationships and partnerships. How could they and so much more? So it really is a very nice map if you will to help people fill in those places and spaces inside So we can be the light workers we came here to be and I want to say too The reason why I laughed about the book With the media stuff. I do the visibility stuff. I teach book writing, right? I teach and coach had to write a book And I tell people this all the time like we're literally as authors giving birth To an entity if you will which is the book and it has a voice and I've done that too I've written an entire over 200 page book when the book said I'm not it It's something else. I'm like really great We're starting all over again But I you know you have to honor the voice and the timing and the energy and all that it is what it is I love hearing you say that that's fantastic and and you know, I always Whenever I've talked or taught on creativity. I always say there is a divine timing You know, it's not necessarily that you're blocked. Yeah, sure Maybe you are but if you're producing something for the rest of the world The rest of the world has to be ready to receive it and everything has to line up and the biggest thing I always kind of Like to remind creatives is the ricochet effect that happens at you when you put something out into the world It's like you're making it. You're making it. You're making it You put it out and then there is going to be a ricochet effect to you So it's such a metaphysical experience. So I love that that's A big part of what you do and it's great that you're you're you're sharing that message I could have used a phone call with you about two weeks before the book came out when I was like, why do I feel strange? Oh Oh, yes, what a it's it is. It's the most amazing process for very brave people without a doubt Well, we're going to be taking a very quick break and when we come back We have so many amazing questions for lee harris including about relationships with others and being or not being prosperous This is dare to dream where I feature successful fascinating transformational leaders who have created major goals So what about you? What would you do if you knew you could not fail? And what would it take for you to feel completely free and bold for you to create your dreams? This is dare to dream podcast. We are the number one transformation conversation And if you're enjoying this show for one dollar or more if you choose you can go to patreon.com Slash dare to dream and donate and make a difference You have a really Big job if you will for your soul to fulfill and patreon.com slash dare to dream is about supporting the show Dare to dream is always going to be free to you And to help the show flourish and become sustainable on the business and the operational end Go to patreon.com slash dare to dream. We are past 12 years on air And we love having you as part of the team If you're tuning in after we've started this is debbie dashing her on dare to dream and i'm interviewing lee harris globally acclaimed Intuitive messenger you can visit him at lee harris energy com So lee i wanted to start with the aspect of relationship you talk about in the book That regarding being in relationship with another that there is a big secret. I love the word secret There's a big secret to success And that's about keeping committed To being present and to being self loving So why your presence and self love important components and what do they bring when we're in relationship? Well, I think you know if you think about people that you're around who are very present and who have a high degree of self love They feel good to be around you know They they and a high degree of self love is also knowing your boundaries So it's it would be me saying to you hey debbie I would really love you to come out on friday night and and just hang out with me and you might go Yeah, no, I can't friday because i've just had a really big week, so i'm going to go home and rest But I would love to do that another time That's going to make me unless I have a rejection wound which is a great chance to process it I'm going to go oh cool. Well, I can trust debbie. She's always going to kind of know who she is and where she is and She was just saying no for now and so those kinds of vibrations From us to other people They really sponsor the growth of that in others So for example, if I am Mirrored by that. Sorry if that is mirrored to me by somebody Then I have the chance to grow into that and I also have the chance to go through all my wounds and all my healing If i'm like, well, debbie didn't want to go out with me. What's wrong with me? Then you and I are not really going to be a good match And it's probably not a good idea if we're in an intimate relationship or a close relationship to try and stay together Because it's just going to hurt both of us. You're going to be like, well, I know I need to have friday to myself I could compromise to try and make li's wound happy and so This is where we have to really be sovereign in in intimate relationships I think so many of us were kind of brainwashed into the one day your prince or princess will come and it will all be Fabulous and of course it isn't really like that and it's not a fairytale And too often because of those beliefs we have a sense of ownership over other people It's like, oh, well, they're my partner. So they should That's your own mind talking. Um, you know, that's actually something you might want to talk to them about and say Hey, I have this belief that because we're partners you should want to go out with me on friday night And not stay home and repair yourself at which point you can go Okay, well, I have an experience of if I go out on friday night I'm going to be dead on saturday and sunday because I can tell I'm tired So can we reschedule and if you and I can find a common ground in that? So that takes a certain level of presence and self-love to be able to communicate through that hard stuff And I think the old paradigm of relationships is changing on the planet One of the things that I I didn't really understand many years ago But I now understand what the z's were driving at They say in every relationship Your job is to be yourself as much as you can be yourself Which is very contra to the hallmark card, which is be loving be kind be a good husband be a good wife be a good parent But whose standards uh whose standards are saying what good is so The more you allow yourself to come out The more you will be a benevolent presence on the earth and you will be better for your partner if Your decision makes them slightly uncomfortable in the moment, but you know for you it's the truth And that is hard and it's hard for all of us to Practice at first but the more you do it and the more you make it your norm And it isn't selfish or narcissism as some people would believe and hey if if you are experiencing it as selfish and narcissism You shouldn't be with that person either because that means there isn't enough connectivity or give and take between the two of you So they say that if you practice these principles and they talk about it in a bit more detail in the book That that will get you to be in your What's the word your true vibration in every relationship? True vibration and I love those words benevolent and sovereign that carries a lot of Royal power it feels like in it for oneself and there's a really profound passage in the self Love journey chapter in your book that talks about how really important it is for us to parent and care for ourselves You point out that I love this line just like our actual parents. We probably don't parent ourselves perfectly and that's okay We can make incremental improvements right now So I appreciate the idea of seeing and hearing and holding and celebrating and loving ourselves the way we want those aspects to be and that it's Time for us to turn our attention inward to give to ourselves That which we want in other words those things like I had a rough childhood too You know I grew up around a lot of narcissists and a lot of loneliness and I also turned to sugar quite a bit Um, both is a way to leave my body A food for me was a way to leave my body because I didn't like being in my home But also sugar. I don't even know what that was but it was it was definitely an addiction And so, you know the idea that they did this, you know at a certain point It's like yeah that that needs to that story needs to change. It's not serving us. It's not healing anybody It's actually stuckness. So for those who are living in that still but Love this idea this yumminess you're talking about about really parenting ourselves and finally giving ourselves what we've been longing for Are there ideas or suggestions that you can offer that we can start to insert that kind of presence and that kind of self love into our lives? If you ask any parent on the planet is parenting easy None of them are going to say yes Some of them might say oh It's not easy, but it's the most beautiful thing. It's the most challenging and then some of them are going to go Oh my god, it's not it's really hard and I sometimes think i'm doing a really bad job So I always remind people of that and myself with self parenting. It's not easy. It doesn't It doesn't protect you having an attitude of self parenting It doesn't protect you or take away Some of the negative thoughts negative feelings challenging moments, but it's an insurance policy for when they do show up If you have agreed I am going to Self parent and be kind to myself then whatever comes your way You're including that in the conversation and it sounds, you know, and I'm sure many people listening had similar experiences to you and I debbie My old mode was to follow the negative thought down the downward spiral My new mode is to recognize that Too many stressors too many challenges too many negative thoughts are a sign for me that I need to breathe I need to replenish. I need to give myself a short break I need to take on any of the tools that I have To help my body come back to center as much and as fast as it can So that I can be present for life So really self parenting is really about the commitment to I'm going to come back to presence as much as I can and You are absolutely not failing if you aren't living that way 24 7 In fact, when you start self parenting and presencing yourself It's quite normal for things to get quite In a big way at first because your body goes. Oh great. She's finally self parenting me Well, then I'm going to show her this tantrum that I've saved since the age of 13 Now I'm going to show her this sadness that I couldn't access at the age of 18 So the body wants to heal and we want to heal and when the right teachers support or circumstances show up in our life The healing begins. So when we start to go I don't know if I'm any good at this self parenting thing But I think I understand the principle when I catch myself kicking myself Replace the negative words with a positive thought. Okay, so I just told myself. Oh lee, you stupid idiot. You got it wrong again And I caught it. That's great. That's awareness. Okay. Well, that's Okay, now I'm going to say lee you are doing the best you can I love you. It's all okay. I'm going to say that out loud So that I negate the script that I have been running as a pattern for my life And I start to turn it in the other direction So like actual parents in life Self parenting is going to be a mystery and a challenge at times and it's very much your you're learning it in the moment But it's just you agreeing to be kind to yourself When you feel the world isn't being kind to you Your story isn't being kind to you or the world itself is an unkind place because those are states that all of us Have been in can go into and in those moments when we have a child that's freaking out in the room Or that's in tantrum or in terror We soothe that child we do things to bring that child out to try and help them regulate to try and help them come back to Reset so self parenting is just recognizing the child in you is doing the best they can And that at moments, you know adulting is going to seem a lot more scary without some self parenting I want to talk also about being or not being Prosperous being or not being abundant having or not having money all of that Because you mentioned that it brings us back to parts of ourselves that are destined to be united with These aspects money prosperity abundance. That's very powerful And you suggest that money is our mirror So how do we use our current financial reflection? To change to positively change our financial domain They've they've talked a lot about abundance and Finance and money over the years. Um, and and it's always interesting to me because especially when you look at how Unjust our money system is on our planet We already are working in a system where there are people in countries who have nothing And we do not work Cohesively as a world government to try and change that And then you have people who seemingly have everything material, but Still not happy still miserable still depressed still anxious So for me abundance on the one hand money is part of it, but it's really The feeling of freedom in being alive Um, the feeling of having your needs met having the resources that are going to help you meet your needs and feeling that you can be a creative creative Force in the world rather than someone just trying to survive, which I know many people do There is a starving artist starving healer syndrome And I you know, I came from the starving artist background Being in music and doing theater as a kid So I knew that one well, but I didn't realize that it also existed within the healing communities And I think you know those are the worlds I've worked in around abundance, but I just think it's it's a worldwide thing Um, it is something that I'm beginning to see change on the planet because there's more of an understanding of Your thoughts create reality or can contribute to creating reality So it's important to identify What did I grow up around when it comes to money? What were the beliefs that I inherited that aren't necessarily my truth But that I have taken on and that are now capping my ability to earn and what are the things that I say out loud And affirm to other people Because these things are very very, um powerful. So for example, if you're oh, no, I can't go on holiday this year. I'm broke You've just said out loud and that person's gonna walk away and go. Oh Debbie's broke. Oh, okay Oh, I won't ask Debbie to do anything that is involved with money again because Debbie just told me she's broke So we have to be very careful about what we say But but even more than that we have to really know what our values are Because there are all these stories out there of yeah, you too could be a billion dollar entrepreneur and have a private jet And you know and I've met many of those people and some of them are really enjoying their life and some of them are miserable So for you it might not be about having a million or a billion dollars It might be about having freedom and yet because of societal pressure or societal belief You're kind of confused about where you should put your energy. So often abundance comes from simplifying and from Really paying attention to Areas that you might be losing resources financial or energetic And those two things go very hand in hand if you're really bad with your emotional boundaries If you're somebody who gets Used by others a lot or taken advantage of or because you can't say no You find that you're constantly exhausted because you're serving everybody The mirror in your financial life will be quite acute Because you're constantly giving everything out and you're never filling yourself So you also won't necessarily be being taken care of financially So I often see that playing out for people people who have kind of adopted kindness and generosity as Really a cover for feeling they don't deserve to keep or retain anything or receive anything And that's why there's a chapter in the book called the art of receiving Where they really talk about our inability to receive by nature We are generous benevolent people and that's what we would be if our true spiritual divine nature was allowed to come out If our soul was allowed to show up in our life more We will naturally become Benevolent and generous but our soul will also Mean that we're looking after ourselves and that we are able to Feed people because we can see how much food we've gotten the cupboard And we don't give our last bit of food away And just trust that some food is going to come into the house in a week and then be in terror for five days because you're starving so Really abundance is what I have noticed and work. I've done with people. I have a course called abundance upshift If you really want to shift your abundance, you have to be willing to really examine who you are What your values are what you learned as a kid that might still be running that isn't helpful Be grateful for what you've got taught as a kid that's really helpful And just do a kind of examination process and really know what you want because too many of us Don't have accurate dreams around abundance because we're trying to outrun scarcity So for example, people go. Oh, if I just had a million dollars, everything would be fine actually if you had an extra $15,000 a year or $20,000 a year You'd be okay because that would be enough to get you where you want So that's what I mean by really understanding what your values are what you want But we tend to be scared to look at it because money brings up such emotion for us That we tend to just back away and think that we don't understand it and we don't know anything about it Or we don't want to look at our bills and all of those things contribute to Not really allowing abundance to run through our body because we're keeping it at arm's length That was a long and varied answer. That was good though. Thank you No, I'm so glad you fleshed that out because you just gave me actually a huge piece there at the end What I really like about what you said and it feels different to me is that it's You're giving us an invitation To act as a forensic investigator So there's a lot of detachment in that which I think is important around money, right? We all know money is an illusion. It's an energy. It's silly It's just a piece of paper and yet we attach so much significance to it and the way you just explained it It's a way of looking at our past lives what we're carrying forward and Really looking at what is right now and inviting in a new possibility But there's a forensic aspect to it that occurs in order to get some hot I'm going to actually start doing some things because of what you said. I feel um I feel so blessed sometimes around some of the things you're talking about because lord Jesus in the apostles I have come so far around You know scarcity like I was an actress and a singer for the majority of my life, which means work work work make money Yes and creatively also For my soul. It was incredibly painful to have that no thing Because all I wanted to do was create and then again finally getting hired again and create or create money money money that brah It was exhausting for me difficult But it also created where I came from created financial stuff living like that created financial stuff And when I shifted to be an entrepreneur mama mia, you know, no one gives you a business degree and you're sort of Loudering to figure out how do I bring a client? So it took A lot of healing. I feel like actually Way more than learning business stuff. I just had to do a lot of healing. So My resonance changed around all of this And there's so much ease today And I still find this so fascinating to go deeper with it. Yeah No, I love everything you just said because I know the entrepreneur's path myself and I didn't understand business But there's things around me grew. I had to learn otherwise Um, there were gonna be car crashes And I had a few small car crashes that told me. Oh, I'd better know how this car moves, especially now there are more people in it with me Yeah, and I I love what you just said about the um, you know being an artist Because I also have that I have an artist spirit, but I have a creator's spirit so I think when you have that spirit it it fits entrepreneur entrepreneurism very well, but One of the big learnings is you know as artists and creatives We love freedom because you have to be free and you have to be in a free state to let the good stuff come through Yet to be a good entrepreneur. You have to have structure And I definitely learned the hard way. Um and with a bit of kicking and screaming Structure can give me freedom if I understand it will and I organize my structure as well So for example You know now 15 years on I have a team of 10 people that I employ and work with every month to put all this work Out into the world and we have a rhythm and we we have marks to hit and yet I've found I'm more free right now Then I've probably ever been and more abundant, but if you had shown me this picture five years ago I'd have gone. Oh my god. That looks like too much work And what do you mean? I I can't take a month off if I don't want to do an energy update Or how do I know I want to do an mp3 that month? But what I learned was you you you you figure it out as you go along and you create the freedom Pockets within the structure and the structure will then give you a freedom But so I often think there's a lot of um you you mentioned healing There's a lot of reverse learning that goes on for us Which makes sense because we're all here to grow and change and shift as we go through life So, um, I think the entrepreneurial journey which I know many people are embarking on now It's a really rising thing on the planet, which is great That is a path of self growth like no other Amen brother Well when we come back we'll be talking about Where you can finally I want to make sure you know that where this youtube channel is So you can listen to these amazing updates And we're going to get just a little more clarity around what I think is a very very powerful concept Boundaries. 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You can find him at lee harris energy dot com And um, yeah, I really want to talk about this Boundaries holy moly And I love the juxtaposition of the words you use because you say Boundaries are actually an entry point to profound freedom Funny because it is very much aligned with what you just talked about being a creative and an entrepreneur Looking at the structure you created in five years ago. You would have gone But today you go. Oh, yes the recipe actually for freedom and prosperity. It works So talk about boundaries. Why are they so important? How could like give us some kind of hot yummy tip Take out there and really start to create change So, um, it was oh god, it was over a decade ago and I was doing this channel for a group I think I was in Germany at the time And there's a line and it's in the book, but I don't remember it exactly right now, but it's something like Your the development of your boundaries Will open you to life and people like never before and I remember thinking Hang on a second, you know, and I mean, you know, I on the one hand I trusted it enough to get it But I remember thinking Surely that's a contradiction in terms, especially Um, as you know, certain people in the spiritual field and I remember when that quote first started going out Certain people on the spiritual field will kind of get on their high horse about that statement and go Well, that's not true. I'm just open to everybody and you know, and that's fair enough Maybe that's how they're living and I you know, I'm always amused when people feel they have to argue with something I'm like, it's okay. It doesn't have to be for you. It doesn't Sure, you you have a different experience But but this quote means something for the people it's it's meant for and for me as somebody who Kind of had a You know, definitely a powerlessness over certain people and places Or, you know opportunities I I I learned many many years ago that I needed to learn to say no more often Because if I didn't say no, I wouldn't be able to say yes when the right opportunity came along So for example, you know someone I will go back to the example of going out on a friday night You know, I go, oh debbie, please come out with me on friday debbie Debbie you owe me because I came out with you last month And I was really tired and debbie you're gonna be fine. Look, I'll give you I'll give you like some vitamins and you'll be fine with that saying if you cave because of me You go, okay, I'll come, you know the sign is in your body's reaction If you ever say yes to something and immediately start to go down before the event has even happened So if you on thursday are like, oh god, why did I say I'd go out with leon friday? I'm feeling really having lots of not good thoughts about this. I'm not feeling that's the sign that you can solve So a boundary at that point would be I'm gonna say no and I go debbie you said yes You can go. Yeah, I did and now I've realized I shouldn't have said yes. So I'm saying no, that's a good boundary But debbie I'm sorry le I know what you want and I understand what you want But I cannot give it to you. I wish I could but I cannot And there's your boundary and then you are free on friday night to fill yourself back up because on saturday You're going to meet somebody really important for your life and you need your energy The instinct always knows what we can't see up ahead So boundaries are a very intuitively felt thing And people are often like, oh my god, I can't say no and I always say Just do the first few knows And you will find it will get easier And you will not be having to lay down boundaries with people all your life You do the first person or two and it starts to become not only a muscle, but your energy field starts to emit An energy that people don't try and mess with so for example I always say you know those people at parties, you know and they walk in And then they walk in like this and you're like, oh, I wouldn't mess with them You can just feel it, you know Do not mess around with that lady who just walked in because she is taking no prisoners If you do something she doesn't like and it's not that your energy necessarily becomes that aggressive or combative But there's a surety about you that when you say no to somebody they go, oh Oh, okay. Debbie just said no Or there's the boundaryless version of us. We're like, oh li you know, I I would love to but you know I kind of think I should go home and rest. Oh come on Debbie, you know, there's maneuverability. So You have to learn to say no the first few times And then it just gets easier and it becomes set in your energy field. So I always say Take your time if you have someone in your life, you know, you need to say no to and you're terrified Get help with it write an email to them that you don't send just to practice Have a few lines and sentences In your head so that when you go into that conversation You've got some kind of structure that you're going to hang on to even though you're nervous And don't beat yourself up if you don't get it right the first time because you won't the first time you go Oh god, I I did manage to say no, but it didn't You know, it's like don't worry practice and and you'll just get better and the first time We have to say no when we're scared of someone's reaction It can be a big thing But the more we do it the more we get used to it that discomfort turns into an incredible comfort because You know that you are thinking of the bigger picture You are prioritizing what you feel about the bigger picture And what you know about your needs and the bigger picture and you are trusting that More than you are trusting someone else's wounded Desperate or demanding need of you And that's really important and what I always say is because this is one question that comes up a lot Well, Lee, how do I know I'm not letting someone down who really needs me and I say you will know when it's an emergency And you know part of you will hesitate to give your time your energy I remember my sister taught me this lesson very young My two nephews who are now two my two oldest nephews are now 20 their twins Um She I'd be with her when they were little and I'd hear the kids scream and I'd be like Are they okay and she'd be like, yeah, yeah, that's fine and we carry on talking and then you know 10 minutes later There would be a different kind of scream and she would be Out of the chair because she knew she knew when what was real And she knew what was pattern or what was to get attention And so she never hesitated when she heard that it was desperate And I always say don't worry if someone is desperate And you are the person to give it to them You will feel it and you will move everything to give it to them but That's very different to freeing yourself From serving other people's needs Without including your own at the same time And that's something that many of us people pleases or recovering people pleasers have done to our detriment And you have to learn the lesson Otherwise nobody gets where they need to go least of all that person because If you're not the right medicine for them Say no so they can find the right medicine for them someone who's meant to be with them on their level In that moment Otherwise both of you are going to feel a little Like you've just had a mcdonald's, you know, it tasted good for like five minutes, but Sorry mcdonald's, you know, there's not many nutrition not much nutritional value in that You can cut that if i'm not allowed to say uh say say grand It's so good. That's like saying, you know, what this is what I heard with what you shared Rather than draining yourself when you know you need your time or attention Or space to give give give when you know, you're empty vessel at this point And what I heard in this example is that Essentially, it's like saying, you know, everyone has a god and i'm not it Yes, I don't have to show up to be that they will be okay The person is meant to be there or not meant to be there, but it will be perfect for everybody Yeah, when we're desperate We don't Stop when the first door closes in our face We then go to the next door and that's also what I meant by you can feel it when you're someone's last chance Or when you're the right person for them because you will just feel it. There will be no negotiating in your mind But it's also important to not make yourself so important To this person's future that you must help them even though everything in your body is saying i'm not your person That's when we get very distorted and yeah, the there is a Sure, we're puzzle pieces, but we're only puzzle pieces It's an amazing jigsaw and it's fun to connect with all the other puzzle pieces and feel the infinite universe But we're only a puzzle piece. We're not everybody's lord and savior And boundaries are sexy. I gotta say I really think so. I think it creates mad respect for somebody Okay Well, if you think about it as kids kids love the teacher Who is caring and loving but has boundaries, you know, also that they feel like oh good someone's in charge So I don't need to be 100 percent. Well, lee, this is dare to dream So what are you next dare to dream? What are your future dreams or goals or What do the z's have to say about any kind of dream to be created? Well, that's really interesting because I've just had a period I've been working, you know in in the healing arts for 15 years And music was really where I started and we have brought music in over the recent years But just in this last couple of weeks. I have felt the call around music in a really big way And kind of realized that over the next year or two I need to give that more of my time and energy and attention. So that's a path I'm embarking on right now and had a meeting for a music website this morning, which is fun Um, and and I think that intersects with what the z's are saying You know, one of the things that has come up and I'm perhaps a few months behind everyone else with this um, the dreams Dreams that you had Have been resurfacing and maybe they're in a different form now or they're possible in ways that they They weren't but the z's talked about this about six months ago When they gave a kind of annual forecast for 2019, which is free on youtube. It's about an hour long Um, and where is that? What is that channel? So youtube a channel is lee harris energy and my website is lee harris energy dot com So if you go there, you'll see all the links to everything and yeah on my youtube channel, it's called 2019 I forget what it's called year of something Um, but it's there. So if you type in lee harris 2019 year of but my youtube channel has everything um there One of the things they were talking about was dreams resurfacing But what they talk about within this period that we're in of many years So they were they often talk about between now and 2030 They say that many of the challenges that we're seeing Because of the consciousness and the heart frequency and the light that's pouring into the onto the planet Um, a whole load of ugly is being kicked up And they say what you see playing out in the world stage is not going to go away in a hurry They say so stop wishing for it to be gone next year Start being the solution and start giving your voice feelings and energy and attention to Ways that you would like to see the world Change progress and what you would like to see it become And it's interesting because I'm a you know, I have I have some friends who social activists and some who um are you know Only believe in meditating and I think everybody is playing their part whatever you're doing but I really Trust that thread that they keep bringing out. They say you're going to see innovation Happening on the planet and solutions happening on the planet a lot over the next decade But your news will focus you on all the problems all the negative because it is still playing out an illusion of control and trying to maintain A control over people and we're going to see that break more and more as we just keep going through these coming years So they say look after yourself recognize it's intense You know, you're not wrong if you're tired or why do I feel like this today? It's like welcome to planet earth circa 2019 You know, it's going to feel like that that is going on but But find ways to not only stabilize your own life force But do it so that you can create what the world needs next and just over a year ago They said you are needed and now is your time And that's a message that I Repeated for like a whole year to everybody because it was so pertinent You are needed and now is your time that might be With a child that you are helping to raise or you're a grandparent of or that might be A book or a project that you're doing that's going to affect hundreds thousands hundreds of thousands The numbers don't matter what matters is you feeling purposeful about where you're putting your energy in your time That was such a beautiful ending for me to hear And youtube folks lee harris energy.com is his website And youtube go to lee harris energy for all his amazing pre videos and again the name of the video He just talked about which is so prevalent I'm going to recommend to so many of my friends who are currently at a crossroads very successful and being called To their past gifts It's called 2019 year of so I will be checking that out as well And lee, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It's been an honor and a pleasure Well, thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you for the light that you hold here And it's been a real pleasure for me to connect with you and your listeners I end today's show with a quote from lee's book energy speaks And you can go out and get your copy too and make all your fabulous notes And the quote is this your biggest job here on earth is to love yourself and to learn to love yourself Especially when you feel unlovable When you learn to nurture and love yourself as you would another when you give yourself that attention Things change very fast things move in you. This self love is a pure remembrance that everything is love You have no idea how lovable you are It's incredible. You're so very lovable And so very loved Breathe you are clear You are love Next week on dare to dream radio podcast youtube I'm featuring jarard powell who's the owner of the transformational resort in costa rica called rithmia Rhythmia offers groundbreaking medically supervised plant medicine In instruction along the spiritual guidance for their guests to experience a healing and an awakening And we're going to be talking about jerry's amazing journey his life advancement center at rhythmia and his book called Shit the moon said So subscribe to this number one transformation conversation and get these in your inbox every week Thank you so much for joining us today on dare to dream