 All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our first panel for the conference excited for this one The very first question is how many genders are there and so leaving it up to the speakers to get the ball rolling Thanks so much all of you for being here. The floor is all yours. All right. Hey, do you want to start? Sure? I'll start There are two genders Yeah, so I think really the debate is more about the word gender and language is ambiguous people can use words in any way that they Useful and they were brought up using so I think really the topic is that Some a large portion of the community was brought up using the term gender to refer synonymously with sex so there would be two and There's this new movement for the feminist liberal movement where the genders refer to a psychological state or an identity of some kind which then broadens the word to a significantly more number of genders and Really nobody cares like that's fine. Like if you want to use gender in a Multitude that's fine But if you try to condemn other people for using it in a way like cake did it's just to that's really the problem The problem is when you are condemning people because they're using the word in the way They were brought up using it which is completely legitimate usage of the word if in their community They use the word to mean to then that is the correct usage in that community and you demonizing people for using that Usage is completely wrong like simply you can prove this isn't an inherently transphobic or sexist Labeling of gender by saying it's just to because if you just imagine if there was a group of people in a country who never Heard of these other usage of gender and used it exclusively to be synonymous with sex and They used it to mean just to and then someone who identified with a new gender came into their community and they Continued to use gender in the two-way thing would they be racist or sexist? No, I mean clearly not they just never knew about it This is just how they brought up use we're using the term so clearly It is not the case that the using gender to mean two things is either Incorrect or in any way bigoted towards the other group, but I think that's really the topic that matters here All righty. Well, I guess to talk about how many genders there can be we have to talk about the origin of gender my understanding of it is that early humans were only able to Observe very few differences between the human sexes and most of them were on a very surface level If you were like an ancient, I don't know like a hominid living out in the prairies, right? You ancient human or something most likely the vast majority of your life when you saw a new human being born You were gonna see humans being born with you know certain genitals and humans being born with other genitals and from there I think as we sort of developed society from very very early age in our civilization We sort of built that conception of two different genders two different Things that you can identify as that inform how you behave in society in the world that you play And that's just sort of been how we've done it for a very long time Nowadays our understanding of biological sex is very very different. We've got a lot of much wider understanding of it There's a lot more to it than just you know, genitals and whatnot So the vast majority of the academic community on in the world right now seems to agree that a distinction between gender and Biological sex is important and when you think about genders being a socially constructed phenomenon Then technically there is no limit to how many genders there could be if a certain group or a certain social space Recognizes there as being five genders then sure there can be five genders them if they recognize it that way If you consider it a socially constructed idea then whether or not a certain society or social space Recognizes it is what makes it true or makes it valid So I think widely if you look at society for the longest time And I would still say this is true in many circles that people see sex and gender as synonymous They really mean the same thing a boy is a boy a girl is a girl This is because many of our discussions about society and like gender specifically I'll go always been very surface level and You never really engage in casual conversation about the complexity of like gender norms and what is a man and what isn't a man? What is a woman what isn't a woman and what societal standards make a man a man and a woman a woman? So I don't believe I agree with T jump in the way that if somebody was to say yeah, man's a man's a woman's a woman I don't think that makes them like racist or sexist or evil I think that just is how our society has functioned and how we have talked about these things And it is something that is built into people from birth because that's how we talk about gender and media That's how we talk about gender and Popular culture and it's if you're in your 60s and 70s sitting your grandmother down and having a complex Discussion about neo pronouns is not going to be the most pleasant experience in the world. I'm going to be honest So I but if we do have this discussion I agree largely with Xander Hall in the idea that there is a distinct difference between gender and sex If we're talking about sex, I do believe there is two sexes of course that excludes people who are intersex Of course, and then there is gender where it which is since I'll societally constructed now Xander Hall was talking a little bit about how in Olden times, you know people talked about gender and sex because they could only see certain very surface level features And people but there have been multiple societies in history where gender was not confined and just of men and women There's been societies across the Asian subcontinent and the African subcontinent where there were things that are widely now considered by Archaeologists to be considered third fourth fifth genders Because these people served different societal in what you would say gender roles of using modern terms That we would see in the modern age as these are people who are third fourth and fifth genders So I would agree largely was Xander Hall in the idea that gender is largely socially constructed And so when you ask a question like how many genders there are it would largely depend upon the societal standards of the time and Discussion around gender and in each society and so it could actually be like well It could have an infinite amount of possibilities. You could actually have different answers depending on the culture. You're you're participating in The the only times that I noticed that you guys brought up the possibility of evil is with More traditional people who say no, there's only two genders, but there's a there's a I Guess that could be considered evil if somebody's being malicious about it or something What do you mean evil? Because some of the people brought up Transphobic sexist racist or evil. That's what I mean by which you guys are talking about with evil What what does transphobia mean to you? But I'm not done yet The other the other evil that there is that you guys haven't mentioned is supporting people's delusions part of love is loving the truth and Supporting truth people have a right to Think or believe or feel what they feel you can't you can't stop them from from feeling or thinking what they're thinking But you don't it doesn't mean you're supposed to support them in their in their wrong Yeah, it doesn't really seem like most academic and medical and psychological Institutions in the world right now recognize being trans as a delusion. Is that what you're referring to? Yeah, I don't support those those institutions because they are pretty subverted and just divorced from reality because the more intellectual you are the more you can rationalize evil and go into the This gray area go outside of people's area that areas of expertise and make claims That there are multiple gen multiple different genders more to be on the two but in reality you just stick with what's simple and And then you can have more clarity whereas those people support people in their delusions and These people end up more miserable as a result if you don't Support large academic institutions because you think they can rationalize certain bad ideas Who do you get your information from who do you trust? I trust what I see around me and my common sense Okay, those people do have they can present some facts that you didn't know about for example like I mean, I didn't really know that much except for in school about Intersex or hermaphrodites and stuff like that and so you can learn stuff from them But you don't support where they go outside and where they start to draw conclusions and make judgments could you give me some examples of things that you think either transgender supporting people or trans people broadly do and Our society you think is harmful or is delusional Well, they push it on they push it on children for sure. They push it in education They push it in the mainstream and so they're pushing it a shamelessness and then and a like a female minded Oh, let's support this. Let's feel sorry for them. They're bullied and all that stuff where you just need to stop Give them basic rights, which is what we all have our basic rights, but not go further than that not pander and cater to them I Think that for the most part the fight of the trans community isn't so much for rights that are not unique to them But more so for broader societal acceptance and recognize like recognition, right? So for example, if you want to you drew a comparison between transphobia and racism before you listed them I don't think that for example Transphobia and racism are very comparable because the things the types of societal pressures that the trans community is trying to push on broader Society the things they're trying to change are very or somewhat different than what like POC in this country are trying to achieve So I don't think like it's necessarily that comparable, but what what is your understanding of transphobia? I'm curious Well, first of all, there's no such thing as racism or transphobia. There is people who don't Understand what's going on or don't Don't support what people are doing and that's frequently called racist or transphobic, but and there is a Shock that happens frequently where people are dating or were at a club or whatever and They find out that they're not dealing with what they thought they were dealing with and there's a vicious reaction sometimes and that's long but it's not transphobic that's that's a new word to to add add evil upon something that's you can already describe as evil the assault is evil the hatred is evil You don't need to add some some new word to it. It feels like the Ascribing the term transphobic to an action to you seems like a moral judgment rather than a Utilitarian Utilization of a behavior in order to help like, you know Understand the way people behave and how they think Could you explain them or what do you mean by that when you say that a call when someone on the left calls someone transphobic? You're saying that that is a moral condemnation a moral statement of somebody at least in my case when I say somebody is transphobic I use it more as like a Useful umbrella term to refer to somebody who holds a certain set of ideas Usually if I say someone's transphobic you can generally yes a bunch of their ideas They probably think there aren't more than two genders They probably think that like trans people are you know not valid as their identity that they identify with like generally You get a pretty decent rundown of what their points may be. I do you disagree with the utility of that label? No, I understand that I can understand that as being a Useful term, I guess but it's also carries with it a Moral condemnation sure yeah, I mean generally on the left people think less Those they view to be transphobic. I guess I'll let you go Dylan because I have been talking for a hot minute But um, I guess the final question that I had is so you said before that you're one of your biggest problems with the LGBT and trans community in Particular is that they're pushing it on kids and in education and I brought it before that pretty much every single academic institution In the world validates trans people's identities and the existence of Gender dysphoria and how you deal with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we could go on for a while I guess the question is that different from delusion Gender dysphoria is a mental condition of the overwhelming majority of the scientific community through studies and through like long-term analysis of certain patients has come to the conclusion that allowing the transition and Recognizing trans people and their identities as valid massively improve their mental state from massive drops in suicidal ideation To self-harm to just generally a higher improvement quality of life in the short term But is it still in the long term in the long term? I don't buy that. Is it still a delusion though? What what do you mean by delusion? What's delusion a delusion is you're believing something? That's not true How do you know it's true? Is it a delusion? Why I guess I'm asking you how do you know it's real and what's true? I'm not going into that. What is it a delusion? No, I don't think so, but you just admitted that it's gender dysphoria meaning they're believing something about them and And supporting that delusion is helpful for them supposedly in the long term according to you and according to the academics, but But I don't buy that From a it seems like gender dysphoria is a Dissociation between you and what society labels you as which wouldn't classify as a delusion It's not a factually inaccuracy there and saying that society gives you this label and you don't identify with that label So I don't really think that would necessarily count as a delusion simply by virtue of his word But it's also a bio biological reality I don't I don't think that most trans people think that they weren't like assigned a different gender of birth They're born a different set I don't think most trans people are like have like convinced themselves that they that they aren't trans or something I think they know I don't think it's like Some sort of mental block going on. Have you heard about the people having these troubles and these attacks upon them when they're detransitioning? Detransitioners are like a very niche subject basically like every Detransitioner that ends up having any amount of public notoriety ends up having like a Russia today documentary done on them So the detransitioning thing, especially as our like medical Processes for dealing with gender dysphoria and identity have gotten better has gotten a lot more rare as like I don't want anybody who's Detransitioning to be assaulted. I don't think that's something that I stand for broader left stands for at all Okay, so I wanted to kind of circle back on that racism thing you said earlier You said that racism doesn't exist right so how Because you can because nobody actually hates anybody just because they are a different race I mean you what you can what you can People will have a people do have a natural preference Or people do have a developed preference based on experiences, but it's always based on something else not specifically because of Because they're white people don't hate people because they're white So when the clan you know go out and they lynch somebody say post confederacy or during the civil rights era They weren't doing that because they were racist. They did that because they were what I don't know if it was the clan specifically that was doing that but We're doing that Whites were doing that and some blacks were lynching people as well and whites were lynching whites as well It was usually seen as these were two different communities and when an outside community allegedly does a rape or a Robbery or a murder The men of the town there weren't many cops around the men of the town took it upon themselves to collect down hard on that outsider community to You could say it as a form of terrorism to Because it's a political act in addition to a Bring the lamp bring the law down on them so it was rather than it's kind of like when illegals come in and Do a DUI and kill somebody it's seen as an extra insult on injury So that's why they would Commit the lynching so when I think of the members of the clan who who most certainly did lynch people for any number of reasons They lynched people because they thought this black person shouldn't be and they're all white neighborhood They've lynched people because they believe that they did a crime or they were with a white person That was something they also did not like interracial relationships or sorts And so they would go out and lynch them and the reasons they would lynch these black people is because they thought the black people were Lesser than and they shouldn't be in the white community They should not be with the white woman or there or in some rare instances the white man They should not be around them because black people were less than white people in the interpretation of the clan Which is just by a dictionary definition racist. So how would those not be racist acts? Well at that point if you're thinking about somebody being less than if you're claiming that one race is less than That's how everybody thinks everybody everybody feels that they're great. I might just be projection No, in general people if you're angry at somebody you are feeling superior to them See jump. Do you think black people are less than white people? No, I was under holiday believe that not particularly I think that just might be you know, I don't say that I never said that I'm saying people generally feel great It feels superior to every other everybody else. Well, yes, but not based upon racial terms The clan believe that upon racial terms. There's a difference there and that's what makes it racist I believe that was better than Vanderhoal because I have better hair. That's just fat But the difference between me believing I was better than say a black person would be I am believing that based upon race Which makes it racist. I don't buy that they all felt that they were better than maybe not all of them But the problem even the so-called people who you would call racist a lot of people just don't they wanted that separation enforced Why did they want to separate most people because they because as a as a way of keeping the peace And why did they think it would destroy the peace for black people and white people to be together? Well, look at the results today. We don't really exactly have peace today I was I was born and raised in Prince George's County. I I know white people and black people can live together peacefully I would say in fact the reason that many instances that we don't is because of the racist we're discussing right now The what the racist that we're discussing right now is many of the instances of why we don't always live in peace Because of his blacks are racist against whites. You're saying well No, because because of racism in general. No, it's not racism. There's no it isn't racist to go lynch a black person No, it's evil to what is all is evil and racist. No, it's not it's not racist. It is racist No, because there's they're out there outsiders Because they're out which makes it racist But it's not it's based on the fact that they are outsiders, and they should they wanted to keep them Yes, but why are they outsiders because they're black therefore making it well It's not just because they were black. They were there were former slaves They're just a whole they have a why were they former slaves by the way because they were for sale, and well Okay, so I understand that part. Yeah, even though they shouldn't have been So, but why would they Up for market because white people were not Sold in that way. There's not the white people's fault that they were not but so would we even I would say in fact Maybe slavery and I you know, I'm gonna take a bold position here. I would say slavery might have actually been racist I do want to redirect us just because we have gotten off the gender top. I just had to you know I just that was an interesting point he brought up It was definitely worth investigating it But I do want to point us back to genders before we go any further with this one I think this is actually a very good way to get us back to the gender topic because I think it's related to we were talking About transphobia earlier It seems like you're averse to ascribing specific labels for actions that you do seem to deem morally reprehensible You say they're evil, you know assaulting someone on the street because they're black is evil You know saying that uh, you know a punching someone in the face because you find out their trans is evil You agree with that but you seem to disagree with applying a label to that like transphobic or racist Yeah, partly because Let's say liberals have the habit of Calling somebody transphobic or homophobic or racist or Islamophobic or sexist What they're doing when they do that is they're blinding themselves to their own judgment against the alleged racist or sexist or Transphobic or whatever in reality. They are the ones hating the person when in the other end frequently the person being called racist Or the person being called transphobic May have perfectly good will towards everybody and they're just telling the truth Usually they're called racist or transphobic for telling the truth Sure, I would disagree however Okay, the word transphobic, what do you think the left thinks it means? Left thinks it means that they hate transgenders or are afraid of them No Okay, so the idea behind transphobia to put it as simply as possible is to hold ideas Prejudice towards trans people now this could include anything from you know, literally seeing them as lesser than you or behaving in ways That are violent or discriminatory towards trans people or anything as simple as just denying the validity of their identity because trans people's Identities in the way that you know, they advocate for their rights is on a different level in that of many other groups Right their identity being seen as valid is one of the things they fight for to be done in our society So the question I have for you is if all these academic institutions view their identity as being valid and our society is getting Progressively more and more protrans and we're starting to recognize gender and sex being different things They're being more than just two genders so on and so on And you know our academic institutions are all on board. I guess the question is you know, what's the problem? Well, the academic institutions are not friendly towards Christians or towards normal white Americans towards men They're those are I mean they've clearly been subverted and they don't really Have the best interests of the transgenders at heart either. It's just In many cases there they have an agenda that's not based in reality So I would have to ask you in many instances academia has actually served a purpose of reinforcing Many times a white power and authority when you talk about a lot of race science that happened A lot of it was built upon the idea of like, how do we justify segregation? How do we justify a lot of these like I would say evil things to use one of your terms? So I would say that how could you say that the these institutions are unfriendly or hate the whites? I mean they do today. It's clearly back then how yeah They push the idea that racism is real and that whites are the primary offenders of it. They push Real I mean we don't want to get back into it. Yeah, but they push they push That I mean there's openly quite anti-christian. They're openly leftist. They're not for like normal Conservative American decent people so and whites by and large are the most conservative group in America especially men So there's a lot of academia and academia that disagrees a lot and there's many academic institutions that are funded by large right-wing individuals who specifically do this so they can put out pro Christian ideas and pro many of the Groups that you just put out there But it's also not the institutions job to coddle white people or or Christians or or right wingers The institutions job is to try to seek truth on a specific issue Well, you're just saying they it's a very broad brush I'm sure there's so many institutions that are that are bushed that specifically out through the push an agenda But you're you're painting and an entire institution with an extremely broad brush here and rightly so are you not aware that? They are largely leftist and that they have been subversive leftist. Yeah, do you say the majority of academia believes in like What owning the means of the workers owning the means of production most of academia probably isn't even interested in those topics Are you saying that you don't know that the majority of the? academia is leftist why do you think that is Because intellectuals tends to fall for lies like that You said that you said that transphobia has nothing to do with fear It can be rooted in fear why it's called phobia. Do you know what phobia means fear? No, it means a verse Like hydrophobic like if I took some hydrophobic spray and put on your shirt and then like put some water on there would beat up It's not afraid like it's not like your shirt is afraid of water. It's it's a verse. It's the term interesting Yeah Actually, I wanted to bring that up a little bit So it seems like transphobia is a label from one group that applies to somebody else without their consent So it seems like the word gay in the 1950s It was a word that is used in large part to be derogatory to some other group now Some people may not use it as derogatory but as you mentioned it that word could be applied to someone who's super Bigoted against the group or just some mild belief that may not be in the benefit of the group And so because that word can be applied to a large spectrum to those who are definitively Morally averse in the worldview of the people using the term It seems like that word is very synonymous to the way gay was used in the 1950s Some people could use it to be a derogatory term and many people did even though it could maybe apply to just more feminine traits So why is using transphobic to apply to a group who don't want to be labeled with the term any different from People in the 1950s using the term gay to apply to a group that don't want to be labeled with the term I want to give you a chance to respond Xander and then we do want to transition into Whether or not the left is progressing or regressing but sounds good. Um, yeah, so I Guess I have a question. Do you Think that maybe the term Transphobic can be an apt the label to apply to somebody and can have some level of function and for it to still be Wrong to use it incorrectly to mislabel someone that way like for example if I called Dylan transphobic right now I think every single progressive person in the room would be like bullshit And they'd be right because that would be an absolutely false way to label his identity or in his politics, right? As for like trying to compare or as for like the comparison you brought up between I guess you said using gay as an insult back in like the 80s and using transphobic now Well for one you can't Change being gay as far as our institutions are aware. I know you don't trust our institutions But why would that matter because the point here is that the word gay could apply to because there's a very big dream There's a very big difference between insulting someone for perceived characteristics that are unchangeable and then insulting someone for beliefs They hold well that seems to be subjective to you like if someone's insulted because they like Pokemon cars And you're making fun of the fact that they like Pokemon cards That's still an insult so you're giving them a derogatory term which they don't accept and you're forcing it on them And it can go from an extreme which they may or may not apply to something very very narrow Which isn't necessarily derogatory that seems to be like the same in the case is that if there's this term that has a broad spectrum use like Nazi like If you call someone a Nazi and you're comparing them to someone who gasses Jews or the word could be applied to somebody Also just apply to anybody from Germany Well then this word is not something that is a good thing to use because we're just using the word Nazi to apply to any Germans Including those that could guess the Jews though since the word seems to imply or be used in the negative connotation to a much greater extent Using it to a German a German would probably be very offended by this be like but oh, no, no I don't mean the Nazis that guess the users mean anybody from Germany They're not going to accept that you're clearly this word has a huge negative connotation to it And so applying it to somebody without their consent would seems to be very analogous to using gay in the 1950s Well, there's nothing wrong with insulting somebody's ideas that they hold I think that in our society We've kind of become a little bit more accepting of the idea that we probably shouldn't shit on people for things that they can't Change like if you're making fun of somebody for the way they behave like nobody would have a problem with like if some random Asshole ran through that door and started screaming and I yelled fuck you with that guy No one would have a problem with it But if I just you point and yell fuck you at some random person in the audience who's not doing anything that would be a problem There's a pretty big difference between Ascribing a label that's typically kind like associated with negative feelings towards somebody That's an insult or a label based on what they believe as opposed to how they are how they're born What things they can't change about themselves a mutable characteristics per se? I totally knew that Yeah, that's the point. It's an insult though that it is clearly an insulting negative term Which is they which is the reason they don't want to be labeled with this And so it saying that there's the spectrum between the super bad Transfobes in the moderate super beliefs superficial beliefs, which may be anti transphobic clearly This is an insult like that's as you just mentioned. Yeah, this is It's not very persuasive either Sure I do want to move forward I well, I'll humor you Hague because there was one particular point you want to bring up and we hadn't gotten to that question We brought up immutable characteristics Generally human beings don't really have control over Over what how they feel what they do? We don't really have control and so it's not I don't believe that the choice versus born that way Dichotomy I think that's a that's a set up But I think that what it is is you guys are seeing something along with me for seeing something along with you And so you're calling it transphobic, but in reality, I'm just normal So the fact that you use the term normal to refer to yourself in a political debate is a little bit off-put Because we all have everybody has different political opinions and nobody's views are normal normal is a very relative term There is no such thing as a normal at least not in not in the world today We're very normal. Do you think saying racism doesn't exist as a normal thing to say? Yeah, because normal people are normal people are not Normal people think that what much of what's called racist is just being normal being fine And you're normal. Yeah Maybe a point to move forward in terms of the second panel topic Namely whether or not the left is progressing or regressing in particular the democratic platform in its current state Someone had asked about whether or not we could discuss that. I'll let you get the ball rolling for that Okay, so I believe that the when we talk about progressing So it's regressing there is two different things I usually discuss when it comes to this when it comes to the Democratic Party There are two groups I would like to say and one group is the vast majority of Democrats and the vast majority of elected Democrats Their priority has to do with stimulus bills. It has to do with child tax credits It has to do with marijuana legalization. It has to do with cutting down childhood poverty It has to do with protecting gay adoption rights. It has to do with helping repeal the transpanic defense It has to do with doing stuff like gay marriage Which was a massive achievement for the left in this country Then you have a second group and this is the group that people usually say are regressing the country And this is a group of what I would call college weirdos And when I talk about college weirdos is that these these people on campuses who had really weird ideas about like segregated Dorms and weird type of stuff that if you ask the vast majority of the left in this country or the vast majority of Democrats what they think of this stuff? It'll be laughed out of the room. Nobody knows what any of this stuff is Nobody really generally cares about these issues when it comes to the vast majority of Democrats And so when we talk about the left progressing or regressing a lot of times these conversations center specifically on Colleges and what happens is on college campuses? And I want to make sure that when we talk about the left in this country Particularly the Democratic Party even though some people would disagree calling that the left But I'll leave them to their message for their reddit pages I would say that this is stuff that is largely being trying to progress the country forward when it comes to infrastructure energy Drug decriminalization and civil rights for LGBTQ plus people and we should leave the college weirdos which have historically always been weird Okay, everybody on college is weird including me. Okay. They're all weirdos College is where you actually see people Experiment it's a time of people growing into themselves and they're gonna mess around with weird ideas They're gonna mess around with with more radical fringes This is always historically been the norm on American college campuses and internationally in the West college campuses always been like that So when we talk about whether the left is progressing or regressing in this country I want to make sure we stick to what the vast majority of Democrats are actually trying to advocate for the vast majority of elected Democrats are trying to advocate for and what the Democratic and left-wing base in this country once which isn't conversations about say Aggregated housing or even CRT. I I ask any of you to find me an elected Democrats That is in their platform like one of my main issues is enforcing critical race theory that is not a main issue for Democrats It's a main issue of Republican straw manning Democrats And so I would like to say that I think the left in this country is generally progressing and we can see that with civil rights accomplishments Gay marriage being the one I've referenced you most clearly Yeah, I think just by definition the left is progressing I think the left will generally what we see is the left or our society just getting more and more open-minded Which is sort of how the left-wing political ideas come from and our society is getting more and more progressive more and more open-minded I think that this is sort of like an unstoppable wave that that's just going to happen The left will continue to progress. I don't think anything's going to stop it I actually don't think Hake and and T jump are gonna disagree with me here though I think that the right is inherently regressive and then that's I think you guys would argue. It's a good thing. Yes By regressive do you mean conservative because the point of the right is to make small to bring to bring us back to a previous point I knew changes made by the left to maintain the status quo and make changes at a smaller rate It's not regressive. It's saying we're still want changes like the hulking politicians are still pushing policies to make changes Like we're still trying to pass bills to do stuff. It's not like we're trying to just just cancel everything There's clearly progress being made on the right and many presidents and the right who have passed bills to change things clearly The right isn't trying to just regress. It's trying to make progress, but at a slower rate It that's actually surprising me because sometimes I'll talk to conservatives and they will proudly say yes The right wants to regress the right wants to undo all the things the left has done for the last few decades Because they argue the left has corrupted our society in the last few decades And that anything the left has done ought to be undone and that by definition the right is regressive And that's a good thing. Well, that would be a comparison between like the rate at which they think society to change is Positive but they think the left has gone too positive until they want to style it back So it's like if you go too far to the left on the road. Yes, we want to go back Does that mean we're being regressive? No, we're just trying to go back to the road So they don't want to be regressive in the sense that we're trying to get back to the 1980s 1950s we're still trying to make progress but in a different direction than the left is pushing so they yes We do want infrastructure. That's the thing that Republicans want. We do want Good health care, but they think that in many ways the kinds of health care that the left is pushing for is too extreme So they do want progress just not to the same extent that the lefts are pushing for so conservative values are to make progress In society just not to the same level as liberal values. Okay, since Dylan Burns is more of the policy guy I'll let him handle anything involving the Democratic Party, but I am curious to know. Do you believe that? Do you believe that the left is regressing? Policy-wise in the Democratic Party, no but I think that the ideology of the left is in many ways regressing not because of Their values, I think their values are perfectly fine Their goals and motives to be better for humanity to be more inclusive totally fine But their argumentation in their epistemology is completely regressive like all of the arguments they're using are so overtly fallacious to the exact same arguments that we that are that I criticize in the theist movement So like you brought up the origin of the word gender like that's a genetic fallacy. The origin doesn't matter It's the usage that matters So if it has a usage that has changed over time like the word gay as an example Does that mean that because the origin was different that the current usage is wrong? Obviously not So bringing up the origin of something doesn't make a difference. What if it was came from a Nazi? What if a Nazi invented helicopters does that make helicopters bad? No So the fact that there's many arguments like original sin racism is in everything racism is inherent You can't do anything about it. It's exactly the same as original sin in Christianity There's tons of these fallacies that are used. It was created by bad people. Therefore. It's bad It empowers bad people therefore must be wrong facts are evil facts are racist There's all kinds of different fallacies used in Left ideology about that one facts are evil facts are racist Yeah, do you really think this is something that is perpetuated in large scale on the left really in large scale? I mean, it's an argument that's very commonly used commonly. Yes, can you name any like major political figure? Well, I'm not talking politics here. So again, as I said from the political standpoint, I don't think the policy thing is regressing I think the ideology is like academics. Maybe are you talking about like I'm trying to grab any academic So you're talking like it's so it's like the college weirdos that I brought up earlier, basically No, it's not the college weirdos. It's a large portion of the common view of the left right now There are many many academics There are many academics who have literally said that and there you can find the quotes if you want But the point here I'm not arguing against the Democratic Party or the policy thing because I think most of that is fine But the culture of the ideology of feminism and social justice many of them Intrinsically use fallacies in the basis of their epistemology to take critical race theory standpoint epistemology by definition Is an anecdotal fallacy it's saying that we should allow the people who experience Racism or whatever to define racism that would be like putting the defendant on the jury That's clearly this is a bad epistemology So there are fundamental epistemologies or fundamental fallacies in the epistemology used on the left Which is more the problem So your statement isn't necessarily that the left because you're talking about a certain like number of academics who are perpetuating Look at me like I'm like Understand what you're saying that's what I'm trying to get out right now because it sounds like what you're saying Is there a certain amount of people in academia or pushing an ideology that is regressive in nature? While pushing left-wing ideas which is separate from the actual politicians and policy that I was discussing earlier Well, there's lots of groups on the left So the politics thing was not originally in the topic So I was just talking about the left in general and there's a large portion of the left to use critical race theory and feminist epistemologies Which have overt fallacies in them. Is this all of them? No, like I'm not saying all of the left is regressive Perfectly fine with many of the goals and politicians are just endorsing it in order to get votes They don't really take it seriously like you mentioned There's very few politicians who put any of this in their actual policies But there is a large portion on the left who is adopting these really crappy epistemologies and that's the part that's being regressive Okay, I think something I'll actually let hate go first. Yeah As far as whether the left is progressing or regressing I think that may be a false dichotomy too because the left is Truly, I think seeking to new lows whether Whether is whichever side the left quote-unquote was on during like the Civil War and 600,000 Americans died that that was killing people but Now they're like killing souls. They're like support Encouraging the POC's to hate the whites and falsely accused them of racist when it's not they and and that's Mainstreamed I mean though even the rhinos are ousting like congressman Steve King for just basically supporting America and Western civilization and then They're supporting killing the babies in the womb, which I think is more and they're in many ways Shameless about it in the most shameless ones and not being Condemned at least not as far as I hear from the more moderate left that much And so in many ways and there's more more than just that but I think the college weirdos as Dylan said those people are Influential they take hold they take power later on and so the college weirdos of the 60s are the ones running the show today And they're just got gotten even worse Off the deep end nice Um Yeah, so basically you brought up Steve King. I forget exactly what happened with him, but I'm pretty sure he said some shit that was a Little suss Okay, he said that white supremacy is an offensive term No, it was it was a yeah It was a miss quote from it was kind of a sneaky miss quote from the New York Times article But they've been gunning for him for decades. Well, Steve King kind of makes it easy with the history of comments Like what like I just said white supremacy is an offensive term What he does a direct quote from MPI? It's not a direct quote. I just read it I literally looked it up because I was remembering it is or is not Is I can bring it up again if you want me to read it directly for a supremacy is an offensive term We bring it up again Because there's no like that's a meaningless statement like on what on what In what way? It's a slur against whites frequently last suspense here to find out if Steve King is racist What um Well while Dylan looks for that because I mean I we might as well. I something I want to say is I Think a huge problem that conservatives have with people on the left is that I think this is just a problem generally Your politics don't necessarily sorry. It was actually worse. I misread it He said why are white nationalists and white supremacist? Offensive why are these things bad right? Because that's not even that's not even what that's worse That was from the New York Times. It was a miss quote. No, that's him No, he wrote the article. He said how is it a miss? He wanted out loud to the New York Times He wanted so what so he was saying Western Times reporters saying like why is white supremacy so bad? Why is this old like why are these things? What I'm shocked that you even believe that he actually said I'm reading it right now Yes, he said Western civilization that was the way that it was lumped Let me read the actual quote the actual quote is white nationalist white supremacist Western civilization How did that language become offensive end of quote? Yeah, so he's he's talking about how it got lumped in with Western civilization White nationalist that stuff got white supremacist He said that stuff got lumped in with being for Western civilization because the Charitable interpretation Interpretation it's not an act. Yes, it is Because you're I can't believe you're falling for it, but then again all the rhinos fell for it too I guess they just didn't want him in office because he was for so you think the republicans decide you think that he was for white supremacy Do I think Steve King? Yes, I do you think he's You think you would tell the New York Times I'm for white supremacist I think Steve King is not the brightest bulb you think that he would tell the New York Times He's for so-called white supremacy. I think he was dog whistling and he whistled too hard He was people say that Western people say that Western civilization No, hold on. Let me finish people say that Western civilization is a white supremacist dog whistle That's why that's why the words got all lumped together like that. The problem is what gets me They may have quoted him, but that's not what he's doing What gets me about this is the Republican Party gotten the trenches to defend Lauren Boeber They got in the trenches even to try to save major Marjorie Taylor Greene the Jewish space laser lady But they didn't do it for Steve King which shows just how different and how reprehensible Steve King was in particular when Marjorie Taylor Greene was able to pass by even though we saw those Facebook comments Which look like endorsements of threats on politicians and she still got by when it came to the Republicans But this guy didn't this guy was a different animal. It's a totally different situation. He's been in Congress for years He's a man. Yeah, so it's even worse No, it's not because that shows that was established even with established ties He wasn't able to avoid being removed. They kiss up to women. She's new So you think the Republicans are popular and hot right now, so they're not gonna do anything to her If maybe that years down the right the road they will get rid of her What benefit is Marjorie Taylor Greene serving the Republican Party? I've looked at her like a bill pop popularity Yeah, right now he's not he was kind of on his way out in terms of popularity because they kind of subverted the The demographics of his area and you know, he was he was subverted the demographics of his area Like he grew up like he brought English only to Iowa, I think and it was primarily quite area and then it's Who subverted it generally the country like ever since the 1960s So the country like subverted the area or did it just naturally evolved? It's I mean the 1965 immigration act isn't natural. You can't just say it's just natural Immigration pop well the thing is you see these subverted his demographics as if it was like this in the tour Like this nefarious action when I think it was just people move there of a different demographic They looked at Steve King and him putting out comments like this and they were like probably not my 1965 immigration act was subversion Whether you think that it's natural after that or not What's that? What do you mean subversion like subversion? They said they said the immigration that was primarily from European and Christian countries Was a racist thing we need to bring in all different races all different countries. Well, that's not what they said what they said was Prioritizing Western or white immigration over other terms of immigration is racist now I don't think I could ever make you think racism is real in the first place So I don't know why I'm trying but they're saying that and that would be racist if I was to say Yeah, we're just gonna accept or we're only we're gonna prioritize immigrants from this continent instead of other continents And that's what a country has a right to do But if I was to say I'm gonna accept the white immigrants, but not the other immigrants wouldn't that be racist? Well, you don't believe racism. That would be normal. That would be it would be normal to only accept the whites Yeah, if you want to call that racist if you think racism is a good thing, I suppose so What's normal mean normal means countries? Preserving their nation as their nation rather than becoming So you think that's diverse. So you think and say a majority black nation if they had a a Immigration rule that home that didn't allow a lot of white or Hispanic people in or people from any other Ethnic group right and they only let people into that country. You'd say that that was normal. Yeah, okay So you're you're basing it on a subjective idea of how many people in a particular nation are a majority of a certain group Because it's like reality brought in. Okay. Yeah, so what is normal is However, whichever thing there is more of in a given space. No, I'm saying what's normal Is it for people to want to be amongst one another? So when I said that that what's frequently called racist is is something that's normal behavior Traditional people no matter where they're from want their children to marry the same race Okay, so that's something that's normal so what you're talking about right now is is what we on the left we either call implicit bias or just basic like Tribalism right the idea that humans tend to sort of like draw lines in the sand between each other start fights But you know sort of like that kind of thing happens. There are conflicts whatnot. I think that on the left we would call it I'm sorry. I'm blanking on the word for right now. We would call it There's a term for it. It's a I'm actually brain farting on the word right now It's a it's a type of rate. It's got what we're going to attach to it No, no, no, it's got racism attached to it. It means that it's not active It's sort of in the back of your mind prejudice. Yeah, some sort of implicit bias, right? I Don't think that's necessarily I think you're making a broad Judgment of the left's tendency to use a word like Rick because you don't believe racism exists You think that when you see the left to mislabel somebody with that? I feel like you're Bringing that you're sort of extrapolating that to racist racism doesn't exist because the left is so crazy about they're using the label Is that where this is coming from because it's part of it's a it's a pretence that it's some wrong thing Frequently because most of the time when somebody is called racist. They're called racist for saying something true or being right I wonder why you think that something that they have the right to do What do you mean have the right to do right there right to do or say like Donald Sterling when he he was the owner of the Clippers he didn't want his lady friend v. Cibiano to hang out with with black guys because it looked like It was embarrassing to him That's something that he has the right to do she recorded it secretly and gave it to like TMZ And that was and then this whole racism witch hunt They took his team away from him find him all these Find them all this money and maybe they paid his him for the team, but it was a big witch hunt over something that he has a right he has a right to have that Ask that request of that female friend Yeah, and I don't think that he doesn't have that right, but doesn't everybody else in America have the right to judge him for he said honestly, I Don't think that they they have that right to judge him for it I mean they they will and you can't stop it and he I guess he should be wiser than that But I mean you're not supposed to see the leader court people in California, but How is his rights to judge her any different from everyone else's right to judge him because he's making a request based on their relationship and So he's not even necessarily judging her he or even like Magic Johnson or whoever he was she was hanging out with he's expressing a preference What else is doing is expressing the preference towards his opinion? But they don't it's not even their business. You know what I mean like it's he has his business with her But they didn't even know about this and now that they know about it They want to have a witch hunt against him. Are you only allowed to have opinions on things? What are your business? I think that you should mind your business. Yeah So does that mean that you shouldn't have an opinion on like anybody else's position on this debate? But when they make it when they This is public politics, so it's a little bit different. So they have their right to their opinion I wouldn't want them fired for believing that racism exists and stuff like that These people wanted his team taken away from him. They wanted him fired I guess they can be mad at him because you can't stop people from being mad, but it's truly his business. You know, I mean So you're it's it was wrong that she Illegally recorded him even though it's actually their conversation Time you're allowed to do that. What in California has to be both people Consent I don't know about a while can't avoid you But the fact that it was brought public like people do have a right to be angry at him as you said like they have a Right to form an opinion. I don't think there's a right to be angry They they can have an opinion, but they shouldn't take his team away from him. He was Well, it seems ridiculous. Oh We're ready for the Q&A. So two minutes. Okay. I guess here's here's a comparison that I'll make Because I guess it's somewhat analogous Let's say you're a friend, you know, just a friend of yours you hang out and whatnot And one day your friend like you're on the phone leaves the phone on all right forgets to hang up on you Yeah, after the call and you hear that person say, ah, I hate him. So oh fuck him I can't believe I'm friends with this guy. Don't even though you weren't supposed to hear that Wouldn't you come out of that thinking? Oh Well, fuck that guy, you know like wouldn't you judge them a little bit even though you kind of hurts them Say something that you weren't supposed to hear it would definitely be a temptation But there's like a Bible passage that says don't pay too much attention to When you're the curses that your servant may say Against you because you know very well that you've cursed others in your heart So have some grace for people in general people have sometimes may express some Hatred toward people even when they are friends with them. So you don't you don't have to Take it so personally and we've seen there's a huge nasty evil division where the left hates the right right hates the left There's this whole witch hunting against races and sexes you can If if I were to call a black man the n-word Nothing is gonna happen to the black man, but I could lose my job. So People are being called people who are getting called racist or rapists or me too They're losing their livelihoods and many and many times. It's quite unfair. I mean, yeah But I could make I could say the same thing right like a black person in sundown town over nights It might get like a tax and you get you might get canceled if you say the n-word, right? Like tons of people get shit if they do a certain thing in our society I guess the the main question is why aren't we allowed broadly as a society to Morally judge somebody when something is made public about them that previously wasn't known like I guess Epstein for example, do you think that it's bad for the public to judge Epstein after we did became public? I don't know what all Epstein did That stuff yeah, I mean the the law should deal with him and the rest of us We can have we can have some opinions about it, but in general if he if he violated the law Then yeah, he should go to jail for the record. I want to take the anti-epstein position And before we go to Q&A There's one last thing I want to hit on because we were talking about the agenda earlier And I want to just pivot back to that for this before Q&A So I work a lot in my local city politics and in Maryland politics That's my primary job streaming in this online stuff is secondary and I've been to a lot of city meetings recently and The annual city budget for my city is 21 million dollars, right? That is a decent some of some of money and we use that to repair drainage systems We use that for speed bumps for for city events for for programs to rebuild Trees and green space, which is a big priority for me on the environmental board Biden's stimulus bill what she did to rebuild this country gave our city access access to 22 million more dollars 22 million more than an entire year of our city's budget and the impact that that is going to have on our city When it comes to rebuilding drainage systems when it comes to rebuilding green space that we have been losing when it becomes to improving safety measures in our community when it comes to after-school programs is Massive and he gave it to localities and has been showed by Harvard economists time and time and time and time again That when you give money to localities, they know how to re rejuvenate the economy much better than the federal government does directly and This is something that he isn't able to take as much credit for because he's not directly Implementing all of this spending but he was the one who helped make the funding available to our city And that is something I will always be thankful for the Joe Biden administration for doing for my city And that is something that I want to highlight here when we talk about whether the Democratic Party is Regressing or the left is regressing or progressing that is the implementation of decades of economic research Into a decent stimulus package, which has helped rebound our economy and that's something I'm very thankful for Excellent. Thank you very much and we will jump into the Q&A folks So if you happen to have a question Coming down the middle toward the mic and then in the middle isle as well one line going back So this is very much in the beginning of the debate you said Oh, can you hear me? Okay? I'll start over. This is a question to James very early in the debate. You said that Because like we're pushing trans like the trans agenda because the society is developing a more female mind My question my two questions are what is wrong with the female mind? And how can you comment about gender when you only respect the male gender? well first of all Women need love and guidance not so much respect They need love and guidance. No, it's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with loving guidance. Yeah, they need love and guidance They don't so much need respect Right Yeah, because What's happening is men are openly being Disrespected in America and so it's so it's like the roles have reversed. It's because Like a woman should respect her husband and the man should love his wife. So What was your question? My question is is like oh a female mind Yeah, what's wrong with the female mind? It it frequently will listen to Satan. It'll be illogical Like a woman is more A woman is more emotional Frequently more intellectual and by intellectual I mean getting into your mind and like what I said about liberalism leftism rationalizing evil where You you turn gay into being okay You turn the transgender into being something that you should really support when in reality you should dispute should be decent to all people Like Because they live in the same okay So why are you even culminate on gender if you only respect the male gender then no? I mean I respect the gender but the female gender Well the women should Women should really be quiet about politics Okay, then I guess I'm done here. No, no, you don't have to be done What do you mean hey you just won you got your goal right you're the normal one Sorry completely different topic. I was just thinking about it just kind of struck me James talking about the NBA owner but the racist stuff is said and all this Yeah, so The thing that bothered me was when I heard you say a couple times like if they took his team away like who's they my understanding is the League felt embarrassed by this guy the other owners of the team were embarrassed by this guy So they took action against him because they're embarrassed of what he did That's private. I mean what do you call free market or capitalism if you will like what I mean I don't see the problem. Where's the problem and it's phony because it's just appeasing the mob when you saw Adam Silver No, no, they were I mean the owners. I don't know that they cared that much they were I don't think that they cared except for the people were Forming a lint the the useful idiots were all upset about this white racist and he's not a normal white person This white racist guy Who said this evil thing in private with his girlfriend or whatever she was so It's it's appeasement. It's a mob mentality. It's it's a bandwagoning thing. So they do it Have an opinion. I mean if somebody says something terribly racist, I think that that's a terribly racist thing I have respect for this person and if they're representing an organization I'm gonna think less of that organization now now the value has gone down You got to get rid of this guy if you want to bring the value of your team back up What's the team supposed to do just keep going until there are sponsors and players boycott I was just googling like players were starting to play off there's something Isn't that a reason What we want is to Unbrainwash the blacks on the team who are all upset about this because it had nothing to do with them You know what I mean? So we want to fix society not not lynch the guy Yeah, let's not talk about lynching again. That's a bad idea. Yeah Progress in gay marriage were brought up multiple times Do you think we should keep progressing to the point of allowing ancestral relationships? For instance to consenting gay brothers. They can't reproduce. So why not just allow it? That is the notorious incest question. I'm glad that you brought it up Yeah, I think that the incest topic when there isn't a possibility of like Abuse or of a child with any type of like Any child period being born once you start to cut away all of the possible bad outcomes that can happen from incestuous Relationship you have a hard time finding like factual moral arguments against it on like a very fundamental level I highly recommend like thinking about it for a little while. It's interesting as for legality I would probably still side against the idea of making all incestuous Relationship or even specific incestuous relationships legal probably Yeah, even like two gay brothers that met each other in college and don't have any like prior Experience of each other that can lead to any type of power and balance their twins at the same age all that Well, then you have the well now you'd have the argument that there'd be some sort of Mental issue with that right because they knew each other as siblings. I don't know It's it's really weird. It's a weird question, but I'd probably go with the no I'd say that should be legal. I don't see any problem with that Well, do you know why a reverse cowgirl is illegal where I come from? No, it's illegal to turn your back on family Yeah Round the home assassin you're looking at me like you're looking at me like I'm gonna answer the question No, I want to run for public office Freedom you were so books Alexander you previously said that you believe that there can be an That can also be seen as like there really isn't any meaningful interpretation of gender and therefore it would lead to gender abolition For everyone on the panel, what is your thoughts on gender? Well, personally, I think it's inevitable I think that there are a lot of things that we can't change that are just going to happen as our Society progresses whether or not in favor of it or not Generally, I think our our social ideas is on a social level in our society have been continuously getting better I don't really see any areas where our society has gotten like worse on a social level And I think it'll it'll probably happen and I think it'll probably be a good thing I think it'll open up more avenues through which individuals can express themselves outside of broad Umbrella terms that apply to so many people We should definitely get back to this man and woman boy and girl I think language is ambiguous and the usage can be anything in any society So all language has infinitely many ways you can use it And I think that it wasn't a good thing or a bad thing that words are adopted or changed over time It's just however people tend to use the word So it's a good thing if that's how people choose to use in the future I don't really know much about gender abolition. I don't know enough about Neo pronouns either a lot of the more niche stuff But what I will say is I personally identify very much with being a man and the idea of being Addressed as anything else besides a man is very uncomfortable for me That's probably just because of how I've been socialized problem most likely, but I would say for me I would not like that, but it's large part probably because of how I was raised I This question is for everybody on the panel How should the government or how do you think the government should deal with trans rights? Should they keep it as kind of like a cultural Decision how trans people are treated or should there be like trans rights or should the government be hands-off? I guess I'll start because I am more familiar with this particular topic I think the government absolutely should be and not enforcing necessarily in the way that you would think but um in some way Supporting trans rights like for example including gender identity broadly as being a protected class So just in general people can't deny you service for you know a business or if you're trying to buy or rent a place They can't say no because you're trans or because you're a man or because you're a woman or anything like that I think that's good. I think when it comes to trans health care That's probably where the government is going to have the the biggest responsibility I think that expanding the ability for trans people to get their hands-on hormones hormone blockers surgeries or even just access to a A you know medical professional that knows what they're doing and can help them You know go about transitioning the most safe and healthy way possible. I think that um, yeah I think that's something that the government's gonna have to take care of Yeah, I totally agree. I think that They every human should have the same rights and so for medical rights as he mentioned that should be a totally definitely thing that the government should do to Provide medical care for trans people just like everybody else So yeah, I think that we should apply trans rights as we do to anyone else's rights And yes, they should be a protected class. You shouldn't be able to kick someone out because of their identity So yeah, I'd say this for sure. I Work at Free State. I'm on the board for Free State. It's the Maryland LGBTQ plus civil rights organization The organization was deeply involved in trying to repeal the trans panic defense in Maryland It's going to be involved in this next session in the Inclusive Schools Act I believe in providing trans people with with affordable health care options and I believe that they should be treated just like any other human being and I think fundamentally if you were to sit most Americans down and ask them Do you believe trans people should be treated like decent human beings the vast majority people would agree with that I think there's a lot of dialogue in between those and between that But I think that most people would agree with that and I'm with that as well I don't trust anything generally that the federal government does with regard to people I think we should get rid of anti-discrimination laws generally because it just is a setup for division and nastiness and I mean the corruption of these the federal police are as bad and as far as health care goes I think that they should get the same normal person care that other people get but they shouldn't be Like in prisons and I don't think that they should be in the military I think Trump was was right on that they shouldn't but much less should they be getting the transition So-called health care because I don't think that's benefitting truly benefiting them Go can I ask you about that? He said normal person care So the vast majority of people don't have rare diseases scoliosis Alzheimer's and so I guess you would say that wouldn't be normal person. What what's normal I mean normal is as in right and wrong normal right and wrong normal Yeah, so like they if they get scoliosis or if they have some type of strange disease Obviously the doctor does no harm, but I think the trans supportive So-called health care is doing harm. Yeah, well, but it's been shown again a time and time again And I don't know I mean of course you don't yeah, but it's been shown time I'm saying this mostly for the audience time and time again It's been showed by multiple medical institutions that providing gender-affirming care helps the mental health outcomes of trans people Anti-bullying programs and public schools helps the mental health outcomes of trans people lgbtq plus people and this is surprising outcome Straight kids as well anti-bullying programs centered on lgbtq plus rights actually helps the mental health of straight kids as well And so when you say that what's right or wrong? I would say making less people kill themselves is probably the the right thing to do I know but there's another way to do right because what you're doing is addressing symptoms with another wrong thing Because yes that that may that may help in this way But there's another way to help them prevent from suicide and prevent the bullying thing is such a scam Yeah, so like the with with regard to bullying for example We need a return to like strength Rather because the because the the bullies are weak and the bullied are weak And so we're just weakening and enabling that weakness of society So yes, you're solving some problems short term and maybe even quote-unquote long term But at what cost there's a lot of there's a lot of Feminization of society that's going on with this very strong. I actually agree with Hank. I think there's way too much Too much female thinking in our piggybacking off the last question You talk about normal see but it seems like you're kind of abnormal in your beliefs So when you say normalcy of right and wrong, what do you mean by that? Like Yeah, normal by normal. I don't mean typical. I mean normal as in like as God would have it What people would normally be if they had a good upbringing and they were moral people You kids you could say that but but I don't mean normal as in typical what you see nowadays. I went like Right, yeah First of all, I'd like to apologize for not having been here for the the whole panel I've only been here for like the end of it and just this Q&A So I Am a Christian who believes that there are two genders corresponding to binary Sex difference of male and female which in case anybody's curious is something that Jesus himself actually affirms in Matthew chapter 19 But my question for Hake is you speak of you speak of How the female mind listens more to Satan When when Eve presented the fruit to her husband Adam He ate of it just the same and when the Lord confronted them Eve Honestly said the serpent deceived me and I ate whereas Adam said you gave me the woman So Okay, so here's the thing You said that so Paul the New Testament writer who is often considered to be misogynistic speaks of women prophesying and serving in the the the weekly gathering and Here you're in Christ whom in whom there is no male and female you talk about How not only that there's a difference between men and women, but they should be treated drastically differently And and and that one should not I mean are you really seriously saying that Ephesians chapter 5 is saying that women should not be Respected does not does love not include respect anyways Sorry, that's the kind of a side question But then all other than that you then speak of ethnocentrism as something that should be considered normal when in Christ There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ There's also neither slave nor free my question for you primarily is Who you are first and foremost your identity is a Christian, right as it should as it should be if you consider yourself one Then your primary Obligation is to preach the gospel in what possible world. Do you consider yourself as drawing? Anyone in this room closer to Christ who is the truth knowing whom would set them free? So you brought up Paul. I wanted to Say I don't know what Paul said about women speaking but I know that he said that he does not permit a woman to speak in church and that She should ask her husband and she should not lead So there's definitely a difference between men and women here on earth and also here on earth We have societies and when we have differences between each other. It's been proven that When there's physical differences between people that's a temptation to say oh, he's just treating me this way because he's white He's racist when in reality. That's not always the case. So it it breeds division. They're like so it a nation is generally diversity is not diverse the kingdom of heaven is Diverse as God has it but the kingdom of Satan which is the world is also diverse But that's a false version of love and that's it the left is pushing So I guess this could anybody could take this bit closer like sorry I guess I anybody could take this bit as primarily to T jump I just had a question about because you had talked about progressivism and Just about how you'd say that both parties are basically moving toward progressing society and in the past Things that we would oppose today like prohibition and eugenics were considered progressive At least by some in America. So my question is what would you define? to be progressive Higher quality of life standards for everybody in the society I agree with that. Generally. Yeah, that's a pretty that's a pretty accurate definition I'd say just generally trying to maximize freedom for as many people as possible to maximize happiness in general when I hear people say progressive I think like basically just borderline communist So the question was how would you define progress in the society, but he said progress. Okay progressive. I must have been How would I define progress in a society? Lower quality of life standards for people in the society because they're killing them Yeah, it's misguided frequently The idea of progress is frequently misguided and as it is today. It was back then and it is today Yeah, so I believe in moral progress So I think that's not really a thing that most societies move towards when they're trying to gain progress And it's not really a platform of the Republican Party. We're not really they're not really advocating for eugenics today. Thankfully You State that you do not believe racism actually is a thing in this country nor do you believe in systemic racism? I remember you had a debate against ifrit where you stated that They even slavery the slaves actually liked it We said that you said they enjoyed being slaves In this country, I mean we had slavery we had the fugitives the fugitive slave act we had the Indian removal act we had black codes we have Convic lease system. We had page act of 1875 Scott act Benedict law act We had Gary act. We had Jim Crow laws days laws. We have all these acts and laws that are basically holding people of color Down and these laws are actually still happening today even with the justice system When you see these things, okay, you see it clear Okay, how can you say that there is no such thing as systemic racism when you actually see a certain set of people? Black people there are being affected by these laws. How can you say that there's no such thing as systemic racism or things like that? It affects specifically black people present day. I see I see blacks suffering as a result of black crime and There is a lot of pandering to blacks, which is also a disservice to them Calling this calling this and that racist Feeding feeding them the constant suspicion of Racism is put in their mind on the white people when they should be looking within at their own Their own hatred of their own hearts and that's a total disservice to them If I get caught with Let's say a pound of weed You get caught with a pound of weed Who gets the most time I? From what I understand typically you would get the most time. Why is that? I don't know exactly, but there's a lot of there's a lot of reasons often times. There's often times. There's more crimes Okay, if we live in Dallas come here Literally if we live here, I get caught with a pound You get caught with a pound. Why do I go to jail for 20? You probably go to jail for five Sometimes there is priors or there are I know but I don't this is a theoretical situation So we don't really know that with the truth of it is oftentimes there's plea deals They plead down they've committed other crimes that they they plead down for a lesser crime and they still they get the harder time so there's there's a whole lot of stuff going on and Honestly the justice system is turning Yes, the justice system is corrupt and it does it does burn a lot of people and it's also Turning towards burning more whites now, especially with the federal government because there's this anti-racism push No, because it's an anti-racist push Like it when it when there's a thing for example George Zimmerman George Zimmerman was not going to be charged But because the mob mentality the the negative press he was charged Right, but it was it was all evidence showed self-defense and they had to assume self-defense no prosecutor could have Thank you Just so they can hear you If you do fun progressive is just like raising the quality of standards doesn't like pretty much every ideology wants to raise like the quality of life in my opinion I thought progressive was more like kind of like Challenging the anti like challenging the establishment Nobody believes that they're pushing for evil nobody believes that they're in the wrong Nobody believes that they're pushing for something. It's going to cause harm to the world Nobody on this planet believes they personally are doing that I'd say that progressivism to to I'll add one extra word on here to make the definition a little more succinct progressivism seeks to maximize human freedom in order to maximize Possible human happiness. I think it's a good way to word it Thank you Thank you very much folks We are going to let you go to lunch and then we'll be back for more debates appreciate it and things most of all to the speakers fantastic