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Mr. Kolaole Okay, let's begin with the punch newspaper this morning the headline the major headline is saying Senate to probe Buhari's government a mepheli over 30 trillion Naira CBN loans the riders are Senate links food security crisis to reckless ways and means loans under Buhari's cabinet and then panel to investigate CBN's 10 trillion Naira Ancoboros came 24 billion dollars for ex fraud and others your take on that The kind of move that the Senate is about about to make In a way, they're very strange to me Why do I think it's strange? it is strange because some of these loans that The Senate now said to want to start a problem Well, actually approved by them And some of the people you find the Senate today Why in that Senate when these loans were being approved? all the radio the television woman right organization at that period in time Christ and we both They approve of those loans by the National Assembly But all entreaties to them to do the needful To stop that reckless borrowing of money or reckless printing of money and spending me The Senate or the National Assembly? Tony a blind either me blind there and the death yeah, you will recollect the incumbent governor of a two-stage Was the first to raise their land? But the Buhari administration was nearly printing money and spending it and that the consequences on the nation on the economy Was going to be fired and totally damaging But in a given agenda saying this isn't doing anything with respect to governor of a techies outcry and that wasn't time for them more They were also beneficiary of that money in terms of the package type of office That were provided for them from some of those ways are made That general Muhammad will value and back for fun so as they will not be seen So pro indict Condemn and not sure for which they were prime beneficiaries He's very strange to me Honestly speaking I would rather Want to see a situation? and with the National Assembly and the present government in power at the federal level and at the different state levels and all that concerted efforts on salvation Whatever is left of the Naira I'm making sure that the economy gets back on track The issue of this country has thought it's not that No probe has ever yielded any positive results most times The report of a pro is usually set under the capital simply because Those who should take action on those rules Those who are on those pro Those who use to implement the report of those two Agents are usually inducted By the report of those of by the report of all our posts. Take your mind back to since independence No probing this country has ever yielded any positive results It's usually set under the capital and then we begin from Zero from Grand Velo or as they call it Begin to pick up all the points from those costs So it's helping mechanisms to me That's all I thought it wasn't the cancer he's an escapist a way of giving the present government and not the time for not facing serious governor up or not Timing solutions and not doing the possibilities for governor That's the way I see it. Okay. Well Meanwhile, the federal government Blames opposition for food crisis on cover 32 smuggling routes. I Chocked when I read that and you I don't know how you feel federal government is blaming the opposition for food crisis Arguments People are smuggling food across the border What is the constant looking? What is immigration looking? What is the Nigerian army looking? I'm more importantly The country to which they say this food is being smuggled. Oh, which is basically in a very public And sometimes Kalleroon countries which borders with Nigeria Have been shot down for a long time And where they are now shot down The armies are supposed to be Who are said to be in the safety control of those borders because of the activities against the Bukwaram and then the bandits That are operating in those are more importantly more to remember than the J Republic But I have always said It's like a second home to our northern border It could be this has an ascended of Nigeria Why food has taken from Nigeria to Nigeria and not a place is there You will find out that a lot of good services Also flowing from DJ Into Nigeria It's like things things like onions and water So if you say you're going to speculate shot down for that the consequences will be You might be generated Not just in Nigeria But also in the very public more important to the tool it is doubtful whether brothers and sisters in the north will complete it too in shopping them the passage of food across the border Because you'll find out there are some families in in other Nigeria Who also have an effect of their families in the daily public How much everything is in the daily public pick out that language And those who don't pick out the language they speak for food is full and in language It does the artificial border that we have been there. I don't see how we can enforce the secret closure of that border and total stoppage for food from curfews in between Nigeria And it really probably between Nigeria and Cameroon okay, well On the on the on the daily trust and the Guardian newspaper and also here on punch that we are dealing with right now We we see that state police has passed Second reading the bill for state police creation is has passed second reading but here on the punch They say governance to appoint police commissioners a bill lease conditions for CP's sacking the rider is CP's can't be removed without PSC Assemblies approval. Okay, state police here. We are now second reading and we are already seeing some parts of this bill What's very quickly say not except is a mutual cooperation between the national assembly The state of your family within the presidency and the governor We may see this far far away From achieving the objective of having state police in this country. Why do I say they? We collect That is police. I mean the police is under the exclusive the legislative list Which only the federal government can handle If you are going to put it on the court in the state is made Then you have to amend the regular constitution I'm ending the conclusion is not a very easy task at least 24 Of the federal assembly must give their consent And then the national family too must give their consent and no one it is passed from both the House of River and then the Senate When the president can be signed So except the corporate To give you the kind of accelerated approval Both the state level and the federal level We may see the very very far away from it then more importantly too They already started making some mistakes in there saying that It is a police service commission Which I suspect the federal police service commission that will give a prover for the removal of state police And the state commission of police at the state level. Yeah, I beg to disagree with that The state once the state police is created the state should have their own police service commission And it is the police service committee at the state level and the state's House of Assemblies That's why final decision Or no get a prover as commissioner of police and who gets sucked at Commissioner of police at the state level It was the following we made in the judiciary In which we have the federal digital service commission and then the state's digital service commission And we killed the state's digital service commission by a service in the NJC Which now takes effective control and total control As regards a vision of justice in Nigeria, as well as the management of affairs of authorities in the country Without too much regard for the police service For the state Digital service commission If you say you are part of the federalism You must pass these two federalism in the two sense of it Anything that belongs to the state they should have effective control of it Anything that belongs to the federal they should have effective control of it Not that you now establish the state police and then must get the independence Of the state police So the federal police service commission and then you Turn the police at the state level They may have to place a bulldog It is not going to have matters of thought I will also want to enjoy the national assembly Not to stop At the police at the state level alone It must also be included in that deal Local government police It must also be included in that deal Police at the corporate level If schools in Nigeria If churches in Nigeria If some other big bodies like corporations Feel that they are the way that means To establish the police They should be licensed by the state police at this commission To have their own police And then to be kept All that you require to do Is that in licensing them There's the parameters And training and standards An oversight function That must be made On the police at the local government level And they are the corporate level Nigeria is too big To be left alone For the police at the federal level And at the state level In most other jurisdictions In most other countries of the world Police are even hard At the level of countries Municipal authorities They collect in those days Ibrahim Nagos Especially Nagos Island Used to have a very effective municipal authority Which was running its own transport Running its own supply of water My mentality is gold and water That is what two federalism is all about That is where we should go into So In establishing the state police We should also have police at the local government level And police even at the At the mosque At the church And then at the corporations level That is the way to go And those must get the police At the state level To their constraints At the federal level But even though we want autonomy We want independence Of the state police Do you think the recruitment process should be left to the state Or it should be like for instance Jam Where you take jam But you are going to various institutions Some people have expressed fear That the recruitment exercise might just reflect The The person in power The people in power That should include their voice That they use for political gains Into the police force So that they can get away with everything Get away with everything So do you think the recruitment process Should remain at the state Or the federal can do the recruitment And let the states run the service I agree that Some of these things Will be subject to appeals Like the governor In the respective state And we have the little bit of that Only the second republic In which they say all the religions Add a lot of power Over security You'll find that whatever party Will remain at the regional level Will use the native police Under them To create all sorts of mansions And have what can make life Typical For their political opponents Sometimes we read in the post In which the native police authorities Will go to the mutuality Carry dead bodies in the mutuality And go and dump it In the premises Of the Political opponents Of the people at the regional level And then the same police The native police withdraw And go and arise those political opponents And begin to prosecute them For murder That is not impossible We have also seen How The state governors are in the past The knowledge or skills Of abusing and muchepong Of abusing last month Against their political opponents This is not impossible But when you also look At the federal level Too many times too We have seen situations In which the police at the federal level Have been used Or abused By the people in power at the federal level To arise Detain Or press And make life impossible For their political opponents What we require to do To stop all these abuses Is to ensure We provide the noble rules In the law that we establish In these police So as to minimize abuse Furthermore The fundamental right Forcement procedure in Nigeria And our cause Would have to be strengthened And punish my maids cheaper By anybody, by any governor Whom I want to abuse Whatever state police Are established under them I want to wait Not only abuse By state police Or by local government police To be found as gross misconduct Which will be an impeachable offense When these policies At the state level And the local government level Whatever are established All Nigerian politicians Have the penchant And the predilection So at peace whatever powers Are confound them It is the Nigerian people Across the spectrum That would have to rise up to that challenge And then whatever governor May want to abuse Whatever state police Is established When this law is eventually Apart Like we have always said Development Abusive Is only possible When citizens Negrate their obligations To be vigilant To be ready to make sacrifices To stop whatever abuse Any person in power May want to abuse it on them That is the way it is done And it's not law But say It's the people who must decide And challenge How they want to recover After how many are these governors How many are the local government The senators are now that So if we lead them to our peace Our rise Of course we will continue to abuse it Whether at the local state level Okay Well we are going to the daily trust Now let's lift a story from punch And take it to the daily trust On punch it says Federal government seeks $10 billion To stabilize exchange rate As Naira tumbles And then daily trust The leading headline is Dollar Heats Okay despite federal governments clamp down Dollar Heats 1900 Naira And pound 2250 Naira To the dollar The riders are BDCs Rated operators arrested Trial and error not solution According to economists Partner asked to address volatility Operators tell government Once dollar pegged at 850 Naira So dollar is now 1900 Naira Just Tuesday we are alarmed that In one week it moved from 1600 Naira to 1730 Naira But in two days it has risen From 1730 Naira To 1900 Naira Who knows what will happen at the weekend My brother My brother Let's Take note of what I am going to say This guy is not stupid The Naira is on the way To become Another Zimbabwe dollar But when you want to buy Maggi You want to buy pepper You want to buy onion You have to take millions To the market In fact To buy those items Why is this so What determines the value Of the nation's currency Is the level of productivity In those In the country Not regimentation You cannot begin to dictate How much Your currency Will be valued And the fact That all the efforts that the federal government Has put in place Recently Has not helped the Naira Since all the people in government The regimentation This Quartermaster approach To managing a nation's currency Will not solve the problem We have to look At our productive way And so that we begin to become More productive Almost cost down On the cost of government And all that All the measures that they are putting in place today Were measures That the Naira had tried When he was misread of paper And then in 1984 and 1985 He didn't work He also tried to denominate the Naira That was the only time He didn't work On the communist civilian president He also tried to denominate the Naira And then also change the color and water He didn't work He did not work Furthermore When the nation is facing the kind of challenges That we are facing We are having wars in your hands We are fighting Islamic Fertility We are fighting banditry We are fighting kidnappers And what are those What sort of nation is what they do What they do Is to adopt or go into A war economy In which you streamline a lot of things Cost down a lot of spending Look at ways that are made And with some of the things that we import You stop importing them And begin to produce them internally Look at a country like Ukraine It is a fighting war For more than One year now With a war power With Russia And here Ukraine is fighting With rice and water The country also announced recently That it has manufactured A ballistic missile That can travel as far as Seven to fifteen kilometers And that can hit anytime in Russia That is a war economy That is a war economy They will not be able to do that So If this government also wants to cut them And then make sure that Never get back its value They will have to prune them The policies and programs That they want to implement I have advised That this government should Just concentrate on agriculture They should just concentrate on Security They should concentrate on maintenance Of existing infrastructure They should concentrate on Power supply And of course education All the other things for now To be put in a bayon Until we get its rights Until we get the health Or until the economy gets Recovered Its health status Anything sort of that Is never likely to be helpful Furthermore Look at these sensations Going on in the National Assembly Going on at the federal level Going on at the state level For the past six months or so All the states All the local governments Are getting good, good money From federation accounts Are they translating Into any improvement In the web being of The people at the state level And at the local government level The answer is no This is what the government should be looking at And also it should be paramount to the government That before the finality That we have in this country There is no alternative to those refinalities Let's get those refinalities Working again Then we will tell the finality We will not solve our problems Then we will tell the finality We will replace Like any refinery in Dubai Like any refinery in Russia Like any refinery in the United States It will send us very competitive And not otherwise So All this breaking wood And work back an iron mark approach To solving the problem Of the Naira Is never likely to help us at all Okay Let's take this You know that there was a truck intercept Set like we find in In nature news Zamfara government intercepts 50 trucks of grains heading to Georgia or Niger rather So on these daily trucks They say customs subsidizes Distribute seized food items Partners Media trust Okay so now The plan Is to distribute The trucks of The food that was seized To people in Nigeria And I'm just I don't know Let's say it is illegal smuggling And then they are going to distribute it To Nigerians in the coming days Five trucks of food You see When you embark on this thing It's like a price control It's like finding Of Freezing of food from one place to the other What you get is kind of A black market A new underground market to the Naira Which will now begin To operate and blow some So that when this problem is solved It is difficult for you To rein in How to stop those underground markets That would have become one and Can establish Smuggling Is an activity In that activity All over the world The solution to smuggling Is availability Not banning The price regulation Not suppression Of the people From engaging in their ordinary commercial Activity And then they could weigh by which They are going to participate In this item And then distribute them Without following due process of law I'm not comfortable with it Both government and individuals Ordinary people obey their own laws Not food items That have been purchased By some people They are paid for it And if they bought those things And then they paid for illegitimate claim They are entitled to have Those goods supplied to them These things that they get That say due process has not been Followed in the purchases Of those items Then you can engage in the kind of activities The custom is said to have engaged in And not because you have The problem of supplies At home Then you begin to complicate and command there Because that's what my fear is Because it is coming At the time where government is calling anybody Who is saving food in the house Or keeping food in the house As hard as they say You cannot take food outside You cannot keep food in your In your ban or anything So you don't even know What really this is But It's disturbing It's disturbing I don't think If a man has envisaged That they are going to discuss City of Food And they are taking steps To supply food To guarantee food security For his family Or if a farmer Feels that He wants to make better profit From whatever policy comes from his family And he puts those policies Of Products And some silos and solidities And all that I am not to show That the law allows you to go and complicate And command there Whatever you may have cared for Your own wealth And burn out of your own sweat You must make a law Before you can Appropriate Or take that away from me Or you buy the legitimate From him At the prices You see that those goods Or those Or those pamphlets Are worth We should not begin to Behave As if it were a law Without a constitution Without law That we can just Span from people And command there And take away Whatever belongs to them Legitimately The problem is at hand Even though looks are very big There are solutions to them Very simple solution If The Nigeria in their life Will Be committed To enshrine That this ban is free That this is a kidnapping going on All over the place The end The topic Because they want to start mining Precious mineral resources And selling the international market For their own profit Or for their own wealth And all that Then they can find solutions to the full crisis Because We have in the rural area Is due to the fact That certain parties and armies Certain people To be able to take over Some lands And then begin to spoil Or mine Whatever precious mineral resources Like gold, titanium And what are used Are in those places And look at the weapons That the bandits are using Who has the capacity Who has the ways and means To be able to import And make this kind of weapons available To the kidnappers To the bandits And to the Bokwaram That we have all over the place Is basically the Nigeria in their life Not you and mine So if the Nigeria in their life Are cutting their own losses In order to spy themselves Then should please Meet the rest of Meet the rest of us alone They should let us Not our own And find solutions to our All to the problem that they have input Or not After people Okay, there's a story that All the newspapers Carried On punch it is motorist lament Poor drainage as floods Submerges Lagos roads Is the same thing On the Guardian rather Nema 151 houses Affected by downpour in Lagos And also on nature news Which we are concentrating on now Nature news 151 houses Affected by flood in Lagos The rider is Lagos flood crisis And not Central's delayed rainfall On veil Nigeria's Weather challenges in 2024 According to Nema Lagos state Being flooded Just one rain or two rains Or you know The rainy season has not even come We are seeing flood And 151 houses Which is quite a number Have been affected by flood The truth of the matter is that Climate change is real When you look all over the world And take a place like Pakistan That will in the past Not explain what rain falls In the year They are now having massive massive flooding In those places When we were also growing up There in Nigeria And Nauda There was a reality In the northern part of the country If I can recollect That sometimes Special prayers And in the churches And by the traditionally Foreign to fall Before it began to fall in those days But you see what is happening In the northern part of the country now We are having floods In those places So that's helpful That Climate change Is not a joke It's the audio We are the people Must Get more prepared For all these Climate changes By creating Artificial canal Canalization Widening some of our roads And adopting A different methodology Of building our houses Along the coastal areas And the river line places And all of them Part of Lagos Are below the sea level But our houses Build to withstand The challenges of the soil Of an environment That is below the sea level The answer is no So there is no way we will not be having floods If our houses are not built To take cognizance Of the below the sea level State of Of a legal state Because of the canalization That we also have done In a place like Lagos for example They have not been done So those things have to be visited Furthermore The attitude of our people To dispose of their waste Is also blocking the damages Recently Within the federal government And the state government Have said they want to ban All these plastic Containers And also the sake of their drinks Because they continue to constitute Very serious Environmental hazards So when those things Are used We nearly throw them on the ground We don't find a way To dispose them In such a manner That you will not put the damages And water them And you know what You can take about the only year Before they can decay Before they can biograte Before they can De-generate and then turn to soil again The only years is a long time And also there somewhere That there is no technology yet To really be able To take care Or collect Waste that is De-generated By all these plastics And the nylon Containers And water You have to do it manually So if this is a challenge You must get prepared For it Furthermore the legacy government Used to do massive Masses Drainages, clearance And water bill Before the rain starts On the yearly basis And then Consume And you need some resources To be able to do that I think there is no way out of that You must continue to Ensure that Drainages Are clean The sand that have coated those Drainages Are cleared out Before the rain starts on the yearly basis By this way This is where we have to wrap up Thank you so much for being a part of our program This morning We sincerely hope that You can rejoin us next week For another edition of the program Thank you very much We've been talking to Mr. Tunde Kolaule Legal 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