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Yes, please introduce yourself and let people know where you're from, what you do. Yeah, my name is Katie Montgomery. I'm a British feminist and LGBT rights activist. I spend a lot of my time arguing for trans rights in the UK, and it's 1.30 a.m. for me, yay. Oh my God. We apologize. Yes, yes. I did another show. I did my, I've got my own call-in show for trans rights, if anyone's interested. I called the Trans Atlantic call-in show, and it's on Thursdays. And I did that, which is two hours, and then I went to sleep for three hours, and then I've woken up in the same hair and makeup. And then I'm here, so it's all good. Oh my gosh, I feel so bad for anyone that is, you know, across the pond. That is really brutal. We really appreciate you being here, because it's bad time for you. I feel so bad, but thank you so much. It's really nice to have you. No problem, thanks for having me. Yeah, Lance is back, and... Nice to meet you, by the way, Katie. I don't think we've been on any stream or anything before, so nice to meet you. Yeah, and you, yeah. Yeah, same. Yeah, I didn't know, yeah. Oh, it's nice to make new friends. Oh, new enemies. Come on, Mike. What is this, Mr. Rogers Neighborhood? What is this? Yes. You would be a good Mr. Rogers. I can see you hosting like a show that would be very wholesome, yeah. I would enjoy that. You know, you've got to make new friends to replace old ones. Also, yeah, we should mention that. You should start a kid's channel. You should be the next blooper. Oh, wow, that one just went way over my head. I can't believe it. I can't. You're too late. I can't do that, no. We should mention that Ola is off this week as well, I believe. I mean, she's not here, so... Yeah, she's taking a couple weeks' vacation. We squeezed in a little time to make a video. I think me and Mike did a little interview with her that she released. If you want to go check out the Oluver Natty and go subscribe and thumbs up and all the good things and go give your support to her Exploding in Popularity channel. It's like basically episode 30.5 of Leftist Mafia. And I watched her interview with Laverne Cox. It was fantastic. Like, I watched that as it was premiering. And usually, like most celebrities, I don't, you know, they're celebrities. I don't really care, right? But even like Laverne Cox, I don't know all that well. I just know her from some of her work. But that interview, just the way that she was very open and the way that she presented her positions. And she's a very interesting person to listen to and has a lot of insight into these sorts of issues. So it was a really good interview. Definitely check it out. And, yeah, Ola did a fantastic job also, just as the person interviewing her and getting her to open up on some of these topics is really good stuff. Yeah, because it's hard to hear. Yeah, yeah, that's wild. Is that Laverne Cox watches the left of Mafia? That's just, it's so cool. You know, I was a little bit starstruck. Yeah, I don't know if you're watching right now. Oh, this is gonna be awkward. Right. So, I don't know, a lot happened this week. Though also not a lot happened, but a lot did happen. What happened in my world? I've been on all over TV in Canada and Egypt all because of Instagram threads. Which Canadian shows have you been on? CBC, maybe. I'm not sure what show though, but CBC. I talked with Sarah, I forgot her last name, a host of one of the CBC shows. Did they pay you in syrup? What? Did they pay you in syrup? Being a guest on a show doesn't pay my friend. Oh, yeah, that's true. I used to be on a... Right, Katie, being a guest on a show doesn't pay. What time is it again? No one has money on the left, but these networks maybe should pay some of these people. There was a morning show I used to be on the radio on a regular basis in Toronto. Like one of the biggest AM radio stations. And you got to wake up really early. I had to drive there, it takes 40 minutes. And it's like a 15 minute spot, but then there's no pay ever. And I swaced in my entire morning. Imagine waking up really early for a show, huh? I know. And not getting paid. Yeah, that was suck. One interesting thing was someone said to me, someone tweeted at me today, oh, I enjoyed hearing you on 1010 Winds, which is like the major AM radio news station here in at least in New York. I don't know about the rest of the country. And I was like, oh, that's interesting because I didn't do 1010 Winds this morning. So I was searching for this radio broadcast that apparently I was on and didn't know about. And I was like, did someone like use AI to like fake me? And I found like the podcast version. And what it was, was I can't believe they did this. I did my live stream last night on threads and Twitter for like my podcast, like for both doomed and scam economy. And they apparently saw it and they just like clipped portions from it and like put it in, like they introduced me as if I was on the channel and just like used portions. Away. What? I mean, I don't care as long as they credited me, which they did, but it was very weird to be, to hear like, oh, I enjoyed hearing you this morning. And that interview and I was like, I didn't do one. So wait, they actually presented it as if you were like a guest on the show. They didn't really say that, but they worded it in a way where it was like, according to, you know, reporter Matt Binder, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they played me saying that exact, like a version of that exact same thing on my show. So, you know, they didn't like introduce me as a guest, but it was framed in a way where it sounded like I gave them like this specifically, but I don't mind, it makes my life easier. Please all broadcasts, feel free to clip my show and use it all you'd like as long as you say it's me. Just clipping one second segments if you've been like, yes and no, isn't that right Matt? If people need that, I'll be happy to upload a video of me just saying words like that. It'll be used against you. Yeah, well maybe. It's gonna be weaponized. Did you genuinely think that there was like a double binder out there? Like a look-alike? I honestly had no idea. I was like, what is that from? Like I've done 10, 10 wins before. They've invited me on previously, but I didn't do one today on threads and the app just launched. So it's not like I have this whole library of content that I gave them. And they literally just saw the live stream from last night. I may have to dip out for like five minutes to switch computers because I'm... Oh no. Yeah, I'm getting a lot of robot sounds from Binder. And I think it's me and not him for the first time. I think it is you. Yeah, yeah. It's happening. I'm not getting it. All right, let me dip it. I'll be back folks. Okay, no worries. Oh, so it's not me. Wow, is it real? It's not me. I sound clear. Wow, wow. Okay, so Binder, tell me what's exciting about threads? Why are we excited? Why is all of our data being sold to the man who smokes meat? I'll tell you the number one, the best feature on threads right now is that it is making Elon Musk very angry and upset. It is the number one feature. I'll download it. Threads is doing it better than anybody else. I mean, Twitter's lawyer just sent Meta a legal threat in the form of a letter saying, we are going to look into suing you because we are alleging, we are accusing you of hiring ex-Twitter employees and we are alleging that they use proprietary information to create threads. Now, Meta is completely denying that and I don't see, looking at threads, I see nothing that could even be confused for that. It's just a basic text posting app. But that's how upset Twitter and Elon Musk is about this because they are going so far as to make legal threats, which they did not do to any of these other alternatives yet. Isn't that incredibly expensive and deeply, deeply profoundly sad and pathetic? Sounds like Elon, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, guy spent $44 billion on Twitter. What's another couple of a million for a petty lawsuit? Does he even have the money left for that lawsuit? Like it just sounds this is gonna be a waste of time for him. I mean, it's just a legal threat so far. So we'll see. I mean, he's also claiming he's going to sue all the various web data scrapers that have been, you know, compiling Twitter's data for their own purposes, which I don't think he would win that either because the courts have ruled in the favor of data scrapers when LinkedIn took one of them to court. So yeah. It's all just building up to this cage fight between Zuck and Elon, isn't it? I mean, this is also the perfect way. This is also the perfect way, though, for Elon Musk to get out of that cage fight. I don't think he's gonna go through with it now. He already did. His mommy said not to do it. She's like, don't do this. Yeah, but he didn't. Just get back to the emerald mind, you know. We need you in the emerald minds Elon. But he didn't respond to that. I think this is gonna be what he uses. He's gonna say I'm not doing anything with Mark Zuckerberg when he's stealing my app's, you know, IP. So this will be his way to get out of it, I'm sure. I mean, Zuckerberg clearly definitely wants to do it. So if it doesn't happen, it's because of Elon. Hopefully this sounds better. Is there anything exciting about it besides that? Oh yeah, you said great. I mean, it's lacking a lot, but it just launched last night. I mean, the killer feature that's been so good for threads is a feature that isn't so good for me. And that's how integrated it is with Instagram. You know, all these huge Instagram users are just clicking a button to sign up for threads and all their followers are automatically following them. So you have people who already have like a million followers on threads in less than 24 hours. Mark Zuckerberg's been boasting about how the app already has over 30 million users in less than 24 hours. It's obviously because they're just people who already have Instagrams coming over. And if you're someone like me who has never been a big fan of Instagram, it doesn't really work for what I do. I don't have much of an Instagram following. So I didn't have much to pour it over. So I'm already a big old loser over on threads. Yeah, I like 6,000 followers on Instagram, which is another 70,000 on Twitter. It's a big gap. And as you said, there are people who are super famous on Instagram and have no following on Twitter. And now they're reaping the benefits of Twitter exploding when it's just so backwards. It sucks, yeah. That's why I'm preferring Blue Sky. Because someone put together this app that looks at the API and ranks every Blue Sky user. And I am one of the top 50 Blue Sky users of like the over 200,000 people on it. And you know what, I will take it. Because eventually I will not be as more celebrities join that platform. So as long as I am on there now as one of the cream of the crop, I'm going to, I'm gonna use it. I'm gonna use it. No chaff, I'll eat, that's wild. Hey, I'm in a worse situation than you Matt. My Instagram just got straight up deleted. It's gone forever. How'd that happen? I just got mass flagged like three or four times in a row in an event. So they just took it down. I mean, what's the problem? No, no, we're not gonna fix it. I would celebrate that. I would be like, this is fucking awesome. I got away with it. No, it was, it was like the channel or sorry, the account kept getting flagged. And then they eventually just deleted it. So I'm gonna work this out. I think one of the like main killer features of threads is probably gonna be the moderation there, isn't it? Cause like people politically like to say, oh, I don't like censorship. Oh, I like freedom of speech. Then you go on Twitter and there are Nazis queuing up to call you slurs. Like a relentless pace, like so many. And you're just like, why would I go on here when everyone on somewhere else is nice? Cause all of the horrible people get deleted. I don't know, I still like that's how it's gonna win because like blue sky, I'm sure is like, it's very, it's like more tech and, you know, they're doing all this protocol stuff and integrates with other things, but it's not gonna have the same go on there and all your mates, so they're having fun kind of vibe which will lure everyone into the thread. So that's what I'm feeling anyway. So there can only be one Twitter clone which will, someone's gonna eat Twitter's entire user base because they'll have this like tipping point and suddenly everyone will be on there and if you need to see the news, you're not gonna log on to five different apps, you'll just go on one and it will probably be threads. I mean- But do you think it'll be Highlander rules for sure? Like there can be only one. Yeah, I mean, how many things can you post on the same format? Like if you haven't an inane thought, you need to write it somewhere and you're not gonna write it in five different places. And if you cross the place, you're only gonna read the replies and what, I don't know, that's what I think. I don't know, that's what I'm, I was always someone who was just like, I'm just staying on Twitter, it's a lot easier. And then Elon Musk messed with Twitter and then I was like, well, I can't put all my eggs in one basket anymore. I need to obviously pay attention to the other platforms and now that's what I'm doing. I'm posting, if it fits, if it translates to the other platforms based on like who's on there, I do, I post the same thing on Twitter, Blue Sky, Instagram, not Instagram, Mastodon and now Threads. It's- It's a lot of effort, isn't it? It's- It's keeping up. Yeah. Most people are not gonna do that. That's why like, I do agree with Katie here. I think like in terms of the mainstream appeal, like of one really taking off, I think right now Threads has the best chance and it's because of the built-in support from Instagram, like bringing over that those people, it's so easy. It's like one click. My mom follows me there, which is really disappointing now because as a joke, well, not really a joke. I posted a few Threads traps because I'm like, I'm not getting follows. I want to get some. So I posted a few shirtless pics and then my mom follows me. Wait, what? It's like, Jesus Christ. I thought you were joking at first. What? That's what I was gonna say, you should do. No, I did. Your Instagram game is weak. I like, no following there. So I'm like, no one's gonna see these anyways, whatever. I'm posted as like a joke. And then my mom follows me. As long as she followed you because she was like, oh, it's my son rather than like, oh, who's this? No, no. Jesus Christ. Oh, God. It's kind of connected to Instagram. So she, so I didn't think she would get the, I didn't like, she's not gonna get the app, whatever. But because it's so easy that she got the app and was like, oh, my son's on here. Oh, look at this. Like, oh, great. My Instagram is just dog and cat pictures. That's it. It's wholesome. Yeah, you're very wholesome Instagram, you do. What you see now, the amount of skin you see right now in this little box is the most of me you will ever see. So I want everyone to know that now. That is the- Enjoy neck. You're getting some neck action right now. Some hot neck action, everybody. Enjoy. Yeah, some elbow. Maybe you'll catch a knee as I- Oh, some secular flesh. What we got here, the secular fresh presents. Maybe when we do the leftist mafia live shows, you might catch a little bit of stomach if I like, you know, wipe my face like this on my shirt. But that's about it. That's the most you'll ever see. Same. I really hope someone just joined right now. Like just at that point. You're just like presenting yourself. Oh, by the way, hey, we have a celebrity amongst us. Mike, you're in that commercial I saw on TV. That one about Rhonda Santis and it's really horny and confused and insecure and weird. I would love to play it, but I think there's copyright music on it, right? We can't- Yes, it is copyright- I'll check and play with up the music if you want. You can play with up the music. This is the irony and a commenter pointed this out. I cannot play an ad with my face in it due to copyright problems. Yeah, it was really weird because I saw that and then I saw, and I was like in the group chat asking you all like, did the Santis' campaign post this? But like part of his rapid response did because they're part of the DeSantis War Room, Christina Pusha. And yeah, they played it on CNN. They talked about it on News Nation. They asked Pete Buttigieg to respond to it. And it's just, it's so crazy. The first half I think you can play, right? It's the second half that has the dubstep. I'm not sure. I wouldn't risk it honestly. Well, we'll see him. There's the chat guy. Yeah, the chat guy. There's young Brad Pitt, American Psycho, Christian Bale. There he is. Famous. Yeah, very weird to see. It's funny, I sent this to my niece. I'm like, I'm going to run to Santis' ad. And she's like, oh my God, congratulations. I'm like, no, that's not a good thing. Because like, it's just, it's so wild. See, and that, that's them, that's a microaggression, okay? Zooming that close to anyone's face is not very flattering. But I feel personally attacked by this. Yeah, so for those of you who haven't seen the ad, basically the gist of it is that Trump is insufficiently homophobic and transphobic. And to Santis is the true homophobe and transphobe. And I have a video coming out about this tomorrow because the fallout from that ad is hilarious. So to Santis defended the ad, and he's, I swear to God, he said this. He said that the ad was fair game. The attacks on Trump were fair because Trump is a pioneer of the gender ideology movement. I kid you not. I kid you not. And what's funny is that he's a trailblazer. I mean, Donald Trump walked so we could run. No, but it's so wild because that ad has led to a lot of infighting within the gay conservative community. And it is the most hysterical thing I've ever seen in my entire life. It's against groomers. Gays against groomers versus fairness first. Yeah, so I have a video coming out on that tomorrow. It is very funny. I'm laughing at all of these losers. It's basically a bunch of gay conservatives who are completely shocked, surprised Pikachu face that the conservatives who were coming after trans people are going after them next. Shocked. Who would have thought that they'd come after us? Like, it's hard to know, isn't it? Are people actually that stupid and unable to see trends? Or are they just willfully ignorant? Like, I still genuinely don't know. I feel like they're standing on a train. It's like the trolley meme or whatever. And they're standing on the tracks pulling the lever and then it crushes the three people in front of them and they're like, ha, this is going great. And then suddenly they're like, wow, how did this happen? It's like just incredible how anyone can be surprised or shocked or anything. I'm always amazed how dumb people are. It's just, it is surprising. Yeah. No, go ahead. I was just gonna say like in a way, if you look at it in a certain way, Trump is kind of a pioneer of the gender ideology movement in the sense that gender ideology is something they've made up to rage against. And Trump is one of the people on earth who's like super mainstreamed this idea of gender ideology. Cause it was just, I mean, it was like a bunch of British gender critical knobheads until like, you know, 2020. And then J.K. Rowling brought it out. And then the American, you know, you guys all picked it up over there in North America. And then Trump is one who's like gender ideology and now they're all talking about it. So he's kind of a pioneer. He's made like day one promises, hasn't he? He's like, we're going to have to stop like, you know, the mutilation of gender ideology and day one kind of stuff. Re-open the camps. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's really scary. Like he immediately started to try to go further than DeSantis when he saw that, you know, there was always gonna be a race. Yeah. Right, it's a race to the bottom and it's really scary. I did post a tweet or a link to one of the individuals who resigned. So people are making fun of these gay conservatives in response to their shock over the DeSantis ad. So people I've been using the leverage in my face meme. This shit has made me laugh so fucking hard because this is one of the directors of the board or whatever on gays against groomers who resigned. But in response to the whole, I never thought leverage would eat my face. This is his, this is his response. He posted this. It's his pinned tweet. And he thinks that it's so hard to not call him the Epsilon but he posted this. And he thinks this is like a, ha ha, I'm actually smart. I am the leopard. This is such a cell phone. It's incredible. We're like, you couldn't write something so ridiculous. When I saw this for the first time when I was prepping for my video, I cry laughed. And then I wasn't over it because when I recorded, I cry laughed because I'm just like, bro, I want to bully you. I want to shove you into a locker. Like I want you say homophobic things. You're turning Michael to a homophobic. What have you done? Yeah, what? It's making me homophobic. I would know what exactly. You know that meme of the kid who's like straining? That's me trying not to call him the Epsilon in my video. Like the thing through his head and like. That's me. Like I just, oh, I can't. Like I want to bully. Like the instinct is so overwhelming. I mean, you could, I guess, technically, right? Like it's not a problem if you did, but. I could. I try. It's also probably not productive, but. I don't think it would be productive and they're just going to use that against me. And then, you know, but it's. It would be the most gentlest clip, but this time on this slide. Right, right. So yeah, I'm trying to minimize the amount of clips I'm in. The jokes aside, it has shown and revealed some interesting things that like apparently there is some direct connections. I'm sure you explored this in your video between the DeSantis campaign and people who work for Gaze for Groomers or like are involved with the organization. Yeah, that's actually what's fueling a lot of the issues. So Caitlyn Jenner, she actually spotlighted this originally and she said that the Gaze against Groomer founder, Gag, if you will, has financial ties around DeSantis. Gage. Every time I see it, every time I look. Right? You know, it's an unfortunate coincidence. But so her affiliation is causing problems because people want her to denounce DeSantis and she won't and she is financially attached to him. And now she came out with this really long Twitter threat attacking Caitlyn Jenner, dead naming her, misgendering her, you know, expectantly, right? And accusing Caitlyn Jenner of her trying to get into this elevate the status of her own anti-trans organization, Fairness First. And that's why she's kind of throwing Gaze against Groomers under the bus. And I'm paraphrasing, but that's the sentiment where it's like, oh, you're only calling me out because you want to be the main, I guess, transphobic, gay slash trans, conservative group. I mean, all of this is making my fucking grain melt. But just to see all of these losers fight each other. I'm the biggest transphobic. No, I am! It's like, yeah. The Omega Transphobic. Yeah, it's like, you're all losers though. Like whoever wins and who is the dominance, anti-trans legislation, you're a loser still. You're all fucking losers. You're embarrassing your imbeciles. I'm sorry. You're so stupid. And speaking of which, a whole bunch of people like log cabin Republicans have come out since that ad came out and they're all so mad now. They're like, this is homophobic. I was like, what do you think the fascists we're going to do? Stop it like one of the letters along the way. It's like, okay, fine, we're safe now. No, no, these are fascists. Come on. Right. I mean, there's this meme. It was like a cartoon of this conservative guy. I think he had like a Confederate flag and then a gay guy who's like, LGBT without the T and they're shaking hands. And it's like, nice. We finally got the trans and the drag queen's band and then the gay guys like, so who's next? And then the conservative just looks at him and he's like, who? And he just looks, you know, cause it's so stupid. Like if you come after trans people they're going to come after you, idiot. Like they discriminate against all queer people for the same reasons if you defy gender norms. So for them to have so little self-awareness and to have this shock and feel so let down, I find it the most hilarious thing ever. There was even an op-ed in The Daily Beast by a lesbian DeSantis supporter who said, that ad, that was the final straw, which is, it's so shocking to me. It's like, if only he gave them some indication that he was a little bit bigoted towards gay and trans people, then maybe, it's so hard to talk about this. It was a commercial, not the legislation he's already passed what we were talking about. Like he's already done the bad things. He was like, oh, well that commercial was in poor taste. I gotta say, you know? But at least it's a step up from Tim Poole, who's turning on DeSantis because he used AI images of Trump in one of his ads. And that's the step too far for Tim Poole. The unauthorized, unnecessary roughness in the form of AI imagery in your video. That's just ridiculous, but that's Tim Poole's reason for going balls against the wall against Ron DeSantis. With the people who are surprised about the homophobia, I feel like it would almost be understandable if they were like 10 years old, or if the panic about gay people had happened a hundred years ago. If we were seeing a resurgence of arguments used against women's suffrage or something, people might not recognize them because they'd probably take a specific form and they would all be recycled and reused again, but no one's seen it. I lived through some of the gay panic and saw the same arguments being used, and they're like word for word the same arguments they use against trans people. And they must recognize them. I don't know how you could when they say things like, you know, they're coming for our children and, you know, they're all mentally ill and all this kind of stuff. It's like, they're literally saying that about gay people in my lifetime. I mean, they must have said it about you. Some of these same people said it on this, maybe even on Fox News, that like the same shows about you. And you must have seen that. It is amazing. They didn't even change the playbook, copy-paste. No. There are some DeSantis supporters. So I saw this, I think it was MSNBC. They did a segment, or maybe seen it, a segment on Women for DeSantis, the support Ron DeSantis, and their support was all built around his COVID response. So they were supporting him basically because of that. Because he was, I guess, in their minds, he did a good job on COVID, which of course he didn't. But so they're seeing this, his focus on what they're considering to be the culture war. A lot of it's just about human rights. But what they consider the culture war, they're seeing it as an electoral distraction and a barrier to his success. So they don't even really care that he is a bigot. They more care that he's gonna lose because this is his focus right now. They want him to focus on COVID stuff, it's interesting to see what people will prioritize and not care at all when it comes to the lives of other individuals. They just don't care at all. But as long as they're talking about my one issue, then I support him. Yeah, it's, yeah, yeah. What do you say about them? It shouldn't do if you're an ABC News or a mainstream publication. Maybe don't do glowing reviews of some of these hate groups, like Mums for Liberty, the ones that put Hitler quotes in the newsletters and shit. Maybe don't talk about them as being feminists and firebrand bums and all charged up and stuff like that. It's so frustrating. Like you kind of have a responsibility, you're failing the moment, badly. The whole, I mean, I feel like it's slightly better from non-British media. And obviously I'd spend more time reading British media because I'm stuck here. But in Britain, it's just completely standard that any media that presents any argument about trans people will just call anyone who is opposed to trans rights of feminists, even if they themselves have explicitly said they're anti-feminist. Like one of the- Like Sargon of a Cat? Carleton? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, might as well. Like Posey Parker or Kelly J. Keene is one of our biggest exports. And you might have heard of her, like touring around the world and doing all these hate speech talks and stuff. And they still say, oh, feminists have concerns. And she's like doing a show in front of, you know, thousands of people saying, I'm not a feminist. I don't just have concerns. I want to take trans people's rights away. And this is like, I feel like, you know, people must be going out of their way to maintain this narrative because they've decided it's good for clicks or they themselves are gender critical and interested in repealing trans rights and- Yeah, it's all the above. And they always have this desire to show every issue from two sides, even when there isn't two sides. And like the media has always done this and try to play like, oh, we're just being neutral. No, you're ignoring the objective reality of what is happening to trans people. That's what you're actually doing. And the consensus of the scientific community. Yes. And they try to, it's the same shit that it did with climate change for years where it's like, oh, climate scientists say this, but then there's the other side who doesn't think this is a big deal. Like it's just- That's 3%. It's just so dishonest. Scientists, yeah. Yeah, I was really curious. I wanted to ask Katie about this because I was watching a video from Cabernacle. Cabernacle, excuse me, shout out to him, who's a British content creator. And he was talking about the massive transphobia in the UK. And he said that labor was basically so far behind the Democratic Party. And the Democratic Party is actually good compared to labor, which is, it's striking to me as an American because the Democratic, not necessarily just the Democratic Party, but when it comes to these types of social issues and social justice causes, I feel like the US has always been behind Canada as well. But the UK, like when it comes to abortion, when it comes to gay rights, but on this issue of trans rights, it's, they're so far behind. Why do you think that is? Can you talk to that? And maybe like the media climate, because I know it's toxic, but like just to give US viewers a bit of a sense of how bad it is. Yeah, I mean, the UK has this weird kind of, I mean, we've kind of been doing the mainstreaming transphobia thing for a few more years than you guys. We had this, we had the conservative government in charge in 2016 announced that we're gonna reform our Gender Recognition Act. You don't need to know the details. But at that point, the UK, there's this like index rating by major LGBT charities in Europe. And the UK was ranked like number one or one of the top countries in Europe in terms of LGBT rights. And since then, we've dropped to like 13th or 14th. And you know, things are just getting worse here. I mean, that is also due to other countries overtaking us, but also because of the like extreme anti-trans media and attacks on politicians. But since the announcement of this act, basically the entire British media from left to right has just gone in. Not just like just asking questions, showing a balance, but just constantly publishing anti-trans propaganda. And I mean, I think there's a few reasons why that is. And it's a sort of a complicated web. But I think at least one of the main differences between the UK and say the US, for example, is all of the media here is so like incestuous and interlinked that you get these people who write at these, you know, the far right newspapers or on our crappy far right news channels and stuff. And they like used to work at the left wing places or they all attend the same dinners. They all live in London. They all in the same like little cliques and stuff. And there are just no trans people working for them at all. So I think that- But they switch sides politically. Like they'll work for like a left wing paper than a right wing paper. Well, I mean, we don't really have left wing papers. I mean, we've got like- Center right to- Yeah, we really don't either. I don't know what, Lance is out of Canada. But here in the US, we don't get- Democracy now in the US is the closest I'd say. Democracy now, totally. I don't know if you saw the Guardian US actually wrote a letter condemning the Guardian UK's transphobia of the US. Wow. Which is quite, I think it's quite a big deal. Face to US Guardian. Your own US Guardian. Wow, that's good. And then right. How much of this is also due to, and I hate to give this one person so much credit and I'm sort of half joking, half not. How much of this is because of J.K. Rowland? Well, I mean, she's like unlimited funds. She's still regrettably well respected. And she has absolutely lost her mind to this. So I mean, obviously she's, she's posting in tweets that she will fund people's legal defenses and help them out with flights to tour places and stuff. So, I mean, she's obviously spending a lot of money on this and spending a lot of time on this and her reputation and her resources and stuff. I mean, I feel like she helps sort of super mainstream it here. Not globally as well. She's such a weird figure. Yeah, absolutely. And also one of the, another big difference I think is, and again, sorry to just kind of compare UK and US and unless they're like Canada and stuff. But in the USA, your homophobes say the FSA, like your transphobes just say they wanna wipe trans people out. They don't give a fuck. People in the USA say what they think. And it's terrifying when you see them saying we should eliminate trans people and stuff. In the UK, we have people with exactly the same views but people don't talk like that when you want to eradicate trans people. Oh, proper British. Yeah, you say like, I'm a centrist and I have just mild concerns about the way things are headed for children who are being manipulated by people with- Oh, like Anna Kasparian. It's, yeah, exactly. It's this kind of wrapping your bigotry and sounding reasonable. And that's the core part of British politics is however extreme your views are, you have to present them in the most kind of like, restrained, conserved sort of way. So you never say like, oh, gay people are destroying the family and we must get rid of gay marriage. You just say like, oh, I just have concerns that what we're teaching children in schools about homosexuality is, and what you're doing is presenting the same thing. People understand it that way, but it does just sell better. If you're like- Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, if you're just a person who doesn't really pay attention to politics and you don't really care, and then you see someone like, what's his face the other day? Or like someone like Matt Walsh. You know, if you're a British, random British person who doesn't care about politics and you see Matt Walsh saying things like, we must stop this child mutilation. We must eliminate trans people. But here, for my British people, the other side seems crazy. I'm not interested. When you see J.K. Rowling saying like, I respect trans people a lot and I would march with them if they were truly discriminated, but I'm concerned about the numbers of autistic girls who are believing that they are trans identified. Like, you're like- Oh my God. Fair enough. Like, I'd like- You were insidious. And yeah, and people just buy into it and they aren't gonna listen to trans people. The British media is never gonna give us the chance to actually explain why she's- what she's actually saying and why these views are garbage and stuff. Yeah. I think long-term, that's gonna make it so much more potent because they give themselves this plausible deniability that cloaks everything they're saying in legitimacy, right? So it kind of like, people are more inclined, I think, to let their guard down and listen. And that's really frustrating. Like even, I think it was this year, James Stephanie Sterling, they're a video game content creator, but they talk about like capitalism, transphobia, stuff like that, where they had to break it down why J.K. Rowling is specifically transphobic. And they went through each and every single, like all the receipts and whatnot. And I checked the comments- You've got an amazing article on that, by the way. Still some denial. Oh, do you? A full article on all the reasons why she's transphobic, breaking it down piece by piece on her sub-sec. That's a great resource. I still get it, like, I did a video about J.K. Rowling using one of my tweets to prove how unreasonable trans activists are. Cause I just, I tweeted, transphobic trash, go fuck yourself, something like that. And even in, you remember, yeah, it was, it was, I got- I think it's quite funny. Oh, not very cool, very cool. So it was a positive thing. But even like in my comment section, as I explained how she's transphobic and how she was propping up, I believe my response was to her using like this conversion therapist. Anyway, like the comments were like, how is she transphobic? And it's just, it's so frustrating. I mean, one thing that she said that's transphobic, just one, we're using our own words, not your own interpretation. Yeah, it's- It's amazing how well that works. It's infuriating to me. So I'm glad that you're pointing this out cause it's so validating because, you know, these people are cloaking what they, like they're hiding the ball. And it really, it helps them, I think. Yeah, I think it's gonna take people a while to recognize their language that they're using and why, what it actually means. Cause they really do go out of their way to speak in dog whistles, like almost exclusively. Like when they say we wanna retain single, we wanna retain single sex spaces and sex based rights. I mean, most people, if you just teleported here from like 2010, pretty much anyone listening to this would just be like, yeah? I mean, that sounds good, right? We want women to have rights. But you don't know that when they say single sex, they don't actually mean single sex. They mean specifically cis people. And to explain that to just a random member of the public, like, oh, by the way, yeah, and the word cis means non-trans. And when they say single sex, they actually do it. And it's like, there's all these new categories you have to introduce to them. And then they'll just be like, nah, cause she says she supports trans rights, so. That is so infuriating to me. One thing that I'm seeing more and more of, and I'm convinced this is astroturfed here, is there is this attempt to sow division within the LGBTQ plus community. Like the LGB without the T's. And I don't think that that's sticking here. I mean, we have conservative gays who are dipshits that are anti-trans. I think, cause they're trying to like throw trans people under the bus to save themselves, but then you have like, even within that, you have Blair White, for example, trying to throw non-binary people under the bus to save. So it's just kind of like this game of, no, then first, is that something that's common in the UK too, where you see this attempt to divide? And how is it sticking within like the LGB alliance? We pioneered this stuff. Like, I feel like, you know, you guys over there are like three years behind us. All of the stuff, yeah, so we've got this, I mean, we've had several of these groups. And I think, you know, there's a number of gender critical groups and they originally started off by doing this kind of feminists versus LGBT people or feminist versus trans people specifically and creating this fake, you know, battle between women and trans people. And that sold really well in the media. And I think they've realized, and we're like, we can just do this again with other groups. So they come up with LGB alliance and that's what they are. They're like, oh, it's gay people and trans people are fundamentally opposed. And like, they've done loads of different versions of it. Today I actually saw one which was autistic people against gender ideology and they're just trying to create a new group which is opposed to that. But yes, specifically inside the LGBT community, it's, they've pushed quite hard on that. And the amount of, I mean, I do a lot of sort of warring in the trenches on Twitter and the amount of straight people who are like, actually, lesbians have said no. You like to trans people and it's like- I speak through the lesbians. If you believed, I mean, if you were to just read, if you're a straight person, it doesn't have any gay friends and you were to read the British media or you go on Twitter and see what the gender critical movement is saying. You'd be like, wow, okay. Lesbians have a real issue with trans people. And then if you look at the polls, cis lesbians are the most supportive group of cis people, the most supportive demographic for trans people, you know, of cis people. And it's just totally turned upside down. But this narrative, they really managed to get it to stick. Like when you go on new shows or you talk to radio people or whatever, they sometimes ask you like, oh yeah, but what about lesbians? And then you have to say, oh, but lesbians are the most supportive people. And then- Did you ever see that thing that Graham Lenehan did where all of a sudden he was pretending, oh no, we put on this costume and then he joined a dating app for lesbians to try and prove that like, they're as transphobic as he is. And then do this whole thing. He was like, yeah, look, I made an account. I'm she, her, all this kind of stuff. And it was like, this is like a 50 or 60. I don't know how old he is. Anyways, dude, and then he's like making, he's like putting on main and broadcasting how he's going on a dating app, trying to pick up like 18 year olds. It's so creepy. He did that. And then a little while later, some other gender critical men did it. And they were posting like, because when Graham Lenehan did it, he went on and he found some like a couple of trans women who were on this app and then posted the profile pictures to shame them or people he thought were trans women anyway. And then, so some of the like, you know, lesser grade B gender critical men did the same things. And genuinely some of them, because they all signed up at a similar time, some of them found each other's profiles and posted it. I'm like, look, look at this man on it. Oh my God. And I was just like, is it critical? I don't know. No. Like. How embarrassed. Wow. They were like, fishing each other and their own stupid ideology and they're getting so angry about it. Yeah. And everyone's so surprised that they're all getting divorced. It's just like a little bit Crowder, Lenehan, Elon Musk. Why are our wives leaving us when we're just obsessed over this one thing? It's a new like, an archetype, isn't it? It's the sort of middle aged man who absolutely loses their mind over trans people. Yes. They get divorced and then ruins their finances. That seems to be. I love how how Graham does interviews. He's like, they took everything from me. They took everything. I was like, no, they didn't. This is a new problem, you weirdo. No one took shit from you. He's never going to change. We've just done this LGBT Alliance thing. I don't know if you saw, probably not, but. So LGBT Alliance are actually a registered charity in the UK. And I don't know what the rules are in other countries. We're made lost there. Oh, yeah. So the UK has some charity commission and you're only a charity if they approve you to be a charity. And then there's extra level, you know, they have to check your finances and they also have to check you are doing charitable things. And LGBT Alliance just aren't. I mean, just straightforwardly, they're not doing anything apart from campaigning against trans people's rights. And so the Charity Mermaids, which is a pro-trans charity, basically took them to CORE or took the Charity Commission to CORE. They did some UK CORE rubbish to try and get their charity status removed. And today they announced that they weren't going to change anything. And they didn't lose in court, really. They just said Mermaids didn't have the legal standing in order to bring this case in the first place. It was like dismissed before it went to trial. But the Charity Commission then released a statement and they were like, well, you know, as long as everyone treats everyone else with respect, then it's OK. And it's like, literally the foundation of gender critical ideology, what LTV Alliance, how they formed is a total disrespect for trans people. But that is nothing they do has respect in any sense. They're a hate group. Yeah, but it doesn't matter because they present themselves in a kind of moderate way, just showing they have concerns, never raising their voice, never swearing. And that works in British politics. Wow. That's that dynamic is really interesting. Yeah, it's I mean, there is some of that in the US as well. Like like when whenever people are are a lot of politics around like freaking out about certain things is pointing out, oh, this person, look at these people protesting. Look how rude they're being. Like there is some of that. It carries through like there's for whatever reason. I mean, I guess you can kind of assume why when people are polite with their bigotry, it's easier for the masses to consume and be fooled by it. Whereas if it's like, you know, overt, it's definitely there. There's still like a massive audience for that. I mean, look at people like, you know, as you mentioned, Matt Walsh, they still have massive audiences. But in terms of actual actually convincing people, there is something to the idea of, you know, if you do it politely, just going to be more effective. And it's it's hard to combat that. That's that shit. I mean, you had to eat a Brian and she, you know, she did that, didn't she? Like campaigning against gay rights in whenever it was the 70s. True, she did exactly that. It's kind of this concerned Christian mothers, you know, politely and I don't know if you've seen that thing where she gets hit in the face by the pie. And then the immediate response is to just pray for the person who's just trying to fire her. And like, you know, that kind of we're just normal people just trying to try to get our views across. Yeah. So to David's point, though, there's also like if there's an entry point that the right wants, they're using wedge issues. Like they'll talk about how, hey, by the way, the science is kind of out on PewDiePie blockers. It's still not FDA approved for trans people. It is for cis people, you know, bathrooms, jails and prisons, professional sports. These are all where they can find and create what they call the debate, right? That's how they always respond to this. You'll see like the daily why I'd be like, we're just trying to have the debate. And on the other end, it's like, well, no, this is basically one side trying to have civil rights. And then on the other side, you're trying to prevent that by having the debate. It's amazing how well this works. Like I think particularly for like older straight cis men, not to stereotype too hard or anything. But if sometimes they'll say things, you know, they say this horrible stuff to me and then they'll come in my DMs and we'll talk a bit. Like, do you genuinely want to like ban me from the toilets at work? Like that's that's what the people you're supporting here are campaigning for. And that is a thing that the UK government is genuinely discussing. Like, do you actually want that? And they're like, but what about this teenager in America who won a track and field and dominated all the other girls in sport? What about UFC, like Fallon Fox cracked a woman's skull? And I'm like, what? I'm not talking about sport. I'm talking about my ability to like live and exist in everyday life. And then they're like, yeah, but what about winning weight in the Olympics and stuff? And people really do just see trans people as like one issue, like a single thing. And then they see something like a trans woman who raped someone being put into a women's prison, even if that didn't actually happen or not. They see that and then that is trans rights to them. And it's either usually prisons or particularly sport. That's really what seems, that has really worked really well for hooking these kind of like straight cis men. They imagine, oh, well, if I was put in a UFC ring with a random woman, I would destroy her because I'm big and strong, even if I was wearing a dress, therefore we should take away trans people's rights. And I think, having it compounded into one issue has really worked for the like anti-LGBT crew. So yeah, certainly trans people as a wedge issue is a kind of a separate thing, but they'll try and just merge it in. And then it would be anti-LGBT. If you support LGBT people, then that means you support Fallon Fox breaking the skull of a woman in a cage match. Yeah, and it seems to work for people. It does, I saw this on TikTok. I cannot remember her name, but she's a pretty big trans influencer on TikTok. And before she transitioned, I believe she was like into kickboxing or UFC fighter or something like that. And she responded to one of the comments that she got saying, why do you wanna hurt women who are boxing? And she's like, I'm not even doing that anymore. Like I don't wanna hurt women. What makes you think that I wanna hurt women? You know, it's that automatic baked in assumption that, oh, you didn't just become trans. You aren't just trans because that's who you are. There's some ulterior motive and it's nefarious and other people are gonna get a harm. It's like people connect the dots that don't exist. Like they jump from point A to point Z without having enough evidence or information to make that logical leap. And you just see it and it's so unhinged to me. Like, why would you want to wear a bra unless you had a fetish for wearing women's clothes? And you're a sex pest. I was like, well, cause I got boobs, mate. But like, they really can't, they really can't, you know, people jump to these things. And one of the big sort of divides that you notice on this is how they treat trans men and trans women and also trans boys and trans girls. Trans men and boys of any age, they will treat as confused lesbians who have just been tricked and they don't know their own minds. And it's so easy for people to be confused. And I'll say this about like 28 year old men, you know, or even older, but for trans women and trans girls, like even from like age six, they will describe them as predators and fetishists and, you know, dangerous to the people around them. And I've had people, some of the more respectable gender critical is just straight up say to my face, they'll be like, oh, you know, all trans people have a fetish. And I'm like, yeah, but I knew I was trans when I was six years old. Are you saying I had a fetish then? A little bit like, yes. And like six year olds have sexual fetishes. And then you'll turn around and accuse me of sexualizing children because I want to say LGBT people exist in that school. And yeah, that divides seems to sell to people because of the stereotypes in society. It's so weird because it's, you know, these people, their brains have been completely taken over by propaganda. You can tell they haven't thought about this logically for two seconds. I mean, six year olds, like I had a gender identity when I was a little kid. Like as soon as I could choose, I, you know, gravitated towards, you know, masculine toys, you know, action figures and stuff. Like every kid has a gender identity, but they don't think about it that way. They just think of trans people as the abnormal, as not of the norm. When gender identities is something that every single person, you know, or I should say most people have, right? So it's just they, the struggle is trying to educate them. But when there's so much propaganda, it just feels like a really difficult, like it's an uphill battle, right? I don't want to say it's hopeless because I do believe that, you know, eventually we'll win. But it just, it's so frustrating when there's so much misinformation and it's like whack-a-mole. When you educate them on one issue, there's some other thing that pops up. Like what about this? When it's clear that, you know, they're kind of working backwards from the transphobia, right? Working backwards from the conclusion that trans people is scary. Yeah, trans bad. I mean, what does this mean for me as a cis person or a straight person? What does this mean for me as a mother or a brother? They like, it's this fear that's so irrational. And that they try to apply, you know, logic and reason to it when in actuality, if you strip away all of the talking points that they've been fed, it's just straight up fear and bigotry. Yeah, I like, I spent a long, a lot of my life trying to de-radicalize transphobic people because I know in my experience, like certainly when I came out and when I just go into society, sometimes I go to the pub or whatever and you meet someone and they're a bit transphobic. And then you talk to them and after about half an hour, they're like, oh, you're just a normal person. And often they'll say that. They'll get a drunk and they'll say it to your face like, oh, I used to fake trans people or all perverse. But now I'll say you're a normal people. I'm gonna put you nice to you. And it's like... That's amazing. And I've had that quite a lot. You know, certainly earlier in transition. But when you meet people on the internet, like I've spent months talking to people in DMs, you know, individually learning about their lives and stuff and asking them things. And the problem is, is when they don't have you directly in front of them and when they log on to whatever things they're addicted to on the internet, there's a constant stream of anti-trans propaganda. Like particularly on Twitter, the algorithm really fine tunes transphobic propaganda. And, you know, they can spend half an hour talking to me in DMs or something one evening and be like, you know what? Katie seems like a normal person. And then they close our DM and then they see like, breaklists in your daughter's bathroom. And instantly you're straight back in there. And sometimes they do this little one of the good ones dance like, oh, I don't hate trans, all trans people, Katie. I think you're one of the good ones. I don't wanna ruin your life, just everyone else's. And they make that little exception in their brain. Yeah, but even then they still just end up getting sucked into it. And it's grim to watch. I've given up on de-radicalization because it's to the like risk reward or the cost benefit ratio is just not worth it. There's also this thing where a lot of the right is making people play like defensively, right? Like if you look at that whole controversy around Call of Duty and Nick Merks who's just just incredibly famous gamer, Call of Duty, the brand drops his skin in the game because he said, and this is all that this really in the thing, right? They should leave children alone. Now, without context, that sounds innocuous. That just sounds like a very, who disagrees with that statement? Honestly, on face value. Would any of you, if you did, are you child abusers? It puts you in that really difficult position to all of a sudden defensively be like, yeah, but we agree, but what we're saying is trans kids exist, gay kids exist, bisexual kids exist, asexual kids exist. They're gonna go to school like everyone else. They should also feel safe. That's what our side of the argument is saying, right? The thing is, I feel like this is not obviously not entirely the media issue, but particularly sitting from watching the British media do this. They will just report and they will say, Call of Duty has banned someone because their profile said, leave the kids alone. And that's it. Yeah, exactly. No explanation. That was the purpose. That was the reason why they set it up that way. We should point out too that he wasn't even banned. They just removed his gamer skin. No, but it's like, I also need to point out is every time I hear this story, I can't help but laugh at a joke someone made. The way Call of Duty Twitter account framed how they wrote it, they were like, due to his statement or whatever, we are removing Nick Merck's skin. And someone was like, someone was like, pretty brutal punishment, but you know what? I respect it. The game is the game, you know? Like some Game of Thrones shit. Like, you know, next they're going to make Nick Merck start calling himself Reek. Does someone who doesn't follow gaming, it can't come up as kind of morbid, like, oh, what the hell? Remove his skin. Yeah. Oh, what was I going to say about that? Oh, sorry, I've lost my point. I messed it all up. I'm sorry. I'm quiet listening and then I chime in and I fuck it all up. I was just going to say, like, I feel like, even if they just fact checked or gave a little explanation, I feel like that's kind of what good journalists do, though, isn't it? They have the context so that you understand what's going on. But I feel like there must be somewhat, because there must be loads of amazing British journalists, but there must be some editor at The Guardian or whatever who was just saying, no, we're not including that bit. We're not saying that leave kids alone is a phrase used by anti-LGBT people to say they want to, like, remove LGBT kids from their parents or something like that, which would be such a little simple include and is factually true. It's not an exclusively Turf Island problem, too, like media in Canada and in the US, like New York Times, for example, as well as like The Atlantic is the one that published that Jesse Sengal article that was used in order to try and pass anti-LGBTQ plus legislation and reference, hey, look, this is a, not a right winger or a far right extremist or a far right extreme publication. It's The Atlantic, this is a liberal. And look, they're also calling into question, is this dangerous? Is this child abuse? What about detransitioners? What about all these issues that they won't let us talk about? Why aren't we not allowed to have a debate? Which I think is like, it's so irresponsible for journalists to do that simply because like, this is not something that's being debated amongst the scientific community in the same way it is in the fucking plundered class or amongst like media personalities, right? Like they've, it's been settled in a large part. Like again, every major medical association in the United States agrees on gender affirmation and using it, right? So if we're debating it on the other end, like why should we be given the time to both sizing the stuff when it's like this is civil rights, you know? And that's always the most dangerous transphobia is when so-called liberal papers or liberal outlets or progressive outlets are spreading transphobic garbage and just saying, well, I still support trans rights but you know, there's questions around athletes, there's questions around like none of this shit is like people, trans people are under attack. Like that should be, if you actually care about human rights, that is the focus regardless of whatever little edge case you could find about, oh, this trans athlete lifted all these weights, who gives a fuck? Like trans rights are under attack. Why would you put any focus at all as a so-called paper or outlet that is focused that is supposed to be focused on, you know, reality and facts and data and caring about people, human rights, why would you put any focus at all on anything else except the human rights of those individuals? It's amazing how self-centered it is when, you know, I talk to trans people who, you know, whose lives are at risk and like some of the stats in the UK horrific, like 25% of the people in the UK, the 25% of trans people in the UK are homeless at one point in their life compared to 0.8% of cis people. Like some of this stuff is really, really serious. And then they want to invite me on to some show like an hour long debate or something about the word cis or about pronouns. And it's just like, this is so meaningless compared to the real issues. But you want to talk about this because this affects you because suddenly you have to listen to the word cis or you have to remember that someone is called they. It's just, it's so self-centered. And like another example is this recent fiasco. I don't really follow the Young Turks, but they're a thing of like the pregnant people or whatever. Oh, here it goes. We're going to get into it now. Here we go. The viewers right now are licking their chops, rubbing their hands together. Look at the numbers. Like just 800 followers. Well, to be fair, I kind of brought it up. But anyways, yeah. I thought that was smart. Maybe what you were leading to. But like with something like that, I mean, I would have a feminist discussion with someone, you know, in a feminist book club about the situation when we need to recognize trans men and non-binary people. And also the fact that we don't want to remove the fact that misogyny is the key force behind removing bodily autonomy and taking away people's right to abortion. And you know, trans people are just a happy coincidence that they're hurt too. Like it's an attack on women and it affects trans people rather than this attack on people. But we could have that discussion maybe when abortion wasn't taken away and trans people weren't having their healthcare taken away which is way more important. And instead we've got to have this like now multiple week long debate about the term pregnant people, which doesn't really matter. What I do is when someone says pregnant people, I then say like women and trans people are affected by this. And I just rephrase it or when I'm having a conversation with them, that's what I say. And then I don't have to have this. Well, now I am currently having this debate about this and wasting time. But it's just so selfish and self-centered and unable to see past the end of your own nose. Like, okay, you're offended by the term pregnant people. Okay, but you know, like I'm more than offended by maybe getting banned from public spaces. So that's slightly more important to me. Maybe we could spend more time talking about that than for now. So I'm not accusing you guys of bringing this up or any, you know, just having a general about this. Yeah. It's an important point to point out. Yeah, yeah, because it's like they'll people and this is the right-wing go-to tactic where they will take one anecdote of a trans person being unruly or doing something or one small LGBTQ organization saying, hey, bonus holes, we should use that in lieu of vagina. But it's like, I haven't even heard of that until this week. And very clearly, I from- Yeah, like- If you ask me to sell- If you ask me to sell- If you ask everyone- If you ask everyone- And now it's like the focus of a major, like progressive news outlet. A bonus hole? What? Why are we talking about this? The fact that we're talking about this shows that how far removed we are from the actual conversation we need to have. No, this is- Yeah, so directly, Mike, you have to understand. It's obviously some like random kid on TikTok said it at once. And now it's like- It's apparently some group in the UK, actually, that brought this- But it's more of a discussion- The actual- 2020, three years ago. It's three years old. Three years ago. Just now, Oli London popularized it. That's because it's an Oli London yet again, once again, promoting this idea. And this is exactly what the right wing does. They'll point something out that is funny, like bonus hole. That's a ridiculous thing. I would not use that if you want to use that, whatever. But I'm not gonna use it. It's stupid, in my opinion. I'm like, dude, it's hilarious. I think it's hilarious. But like, they'll take this one edge case, which most people will find humorous or ridiculous. And they'll be like, look how unreasonably people are. They're trying to make us all say bonus hole. Like, no. No one heard of this story. This is not a thing. You now have made this into a thing as a way to try and make this entire movement, this entire fight for human rights, to be ridiculous. And for anybody who is even remotely near the left or the center to fall into that shit, you gotta be either a grifter or you're fucking stupid. Like, it's one of the two. I think my favorite example of this is- Or in the cities, you know what you're doing. Yeah, possibly. Now, my favorite example of this is there's a Daily Mail article by someone called Janet Street Porto, the British journalist. And the headline is, I'm all for transgender people getting equal treatment, but please don't make me sacrifice my breasts in the name of political correctness. I was like, what the fuck is this about? And it turns out, what it's about is one small section of the NHS, like in the Southeast somewhere, released one handout for their nurses and doctors, one practice or whatever. And it said, when talking about breastfeeding with women, you've got to talk about this. And it had this huge, all about breastfeeding. And then there's this little section at the bottom that said, don't forget, some trans people also do this. And some of them will be trans men and some of them might not necessarily refer to their breasts as breasts and they might not like the term breastfeeding. For example, they might say something like chestfeeding. I don't know, whatever. So just be aware of that. And then this snowballed into, you must sacrifice your breasts for political correctness. It's like, it's so dishonest. And this whole like long article about how, yeah, you know, I want everyone to be equal, but how dare you ban me from saying breasts? Like, yeah, that's just illusion. These aren't real problems. This isn't real oppression. This is made up like oppression simulator to make it feel like there's a real thing going on. No one is calling people by these things. Someone in your chat, Mike just said bonus bags. Yes, bonus bags. How dare you use the term bonus bags? I refer to my breasts. I, I fucking, I take insults of this. I see that person for writing that article should have to sacrifice their breasts. They have the UK government come collect them, but they lost it. Right when those are mine. I don't know, I'm just a little bit shocked. You guys don't base your entire political outlook and ideology on one single term. You guys don't do that. You guys don't hear something. That's it. That's it, that's everything to me. I hate media. Also just want to say no surprise. David Dole is not going to get any use out of a bonus hole, but go ahead. Let's, I have a child. That's true. That's true. But I just have to get that in there. Go ahead. Before David. It's, it's amazing. Listen to the show too. She does it. Yes, yes. I know. We're so sorry. We're so sorry again. Let me know. You did a great job. He's a wonderful human. It's, it's amazing how often people will say, like, I supported trans rights until, and then we'll show an example of a trans person saying something like that. Like, you know, oh, but they said, do you have to do this? Oh yeah, but oh, this trans, or even like this trans person is a criminal or something. This trans person said this just as like, do you expect every trans person who says something to be like speaking on behalf of all trans people? And is your position really, oh, I want to remove Katie Montgomery's human rights because, you know, first name bunch of numbers on Twitter said that I was disgusting or something. People genuinely cite that. Like, this sounds kind of crazy and branding about this, but this is one of the most common arguments I hear from people is, oh, but this person said something horrible to me. So that's why I support JK Rowling. As is incredible how people's minds work. So your beliefs are basically based on whether or not people are nice to you in any category because they're not actually based on principles and, or you don't even have like a, I'd say a stringent ideology in that regard. It's like, well, which group is nicest to me online at any given time, right? Which is why I was like, sorry, Graham. No, or something like a single term. Yeah, exactly. It's math, sorry, Graham. There's an issue with like this model minority thing that non-minorities try to like push on people where it's like, if you're in public and you're not completely well-behaved and then you could be like the only experience with that community. And this is something that has haunted me since I was very young. Like when I came out, I was the first gay person that my family had ever met, I think. Because it was my cousin, but they never like, they kind of live far away. But so realizing how important representation is and putting a face to the community matters, but at the same time, it really kind of like, maybe it inadvertently caused me to develop this complex where it's like, oh my God, I'm that gay person possibly that maybe this new coworker has, is the only gay person they know. So like if I'm a dickhead to them then they're gonna extrapolate and say all gay people are dickheads. And this is kind of what we're seeing with the trans community where it's like, wait a second, that one trans person said this, that one trans person is mean to me. Therefore, other trans people, how do you explain this? And it's something that, it's such an irrational thing, like it's childish, right? But we see that and this is what's being done, but like on the media scale, right? Where you have actual outlets promoting this where it's like, well, this one trans person like took a shit on the floor. Therefore, is this a problem that we need to discuss with the trans community? It's comical and you would think that growing adults would understand that like we're all individuals and one person is not representative of the entire community. No community is monolithic, but we are having to have these conversations, which is so frustrating. Like imagine holding, imagine holding like the entire, like all white cis men accountable for the actions of like a single white cis criminal, like yeah, for Trump, a great example. Like imagine going to every single white man. What are you gonna say about this? Like if you're a free one there, it's just so scary. I am responsible for, I will take full responsibility for Donald Trump and all everything that cis gender men do, I will happily be the bearer of that load. So what's the point? Have you seen fucking cis or straight Twitter lately? The red pill community, just pearly things? I mean, what's going on with the cis straight people? I mean, something's up there. Maybe we should take away their fucking rights. You know what I mean? They're ukuleles, take away their ukuleles. No more policy videos for groomers with ukuleles. Fuck that noise, those days are done, right? Yeah. Right, I mean, if we were going off of that, then like the straights would have nothing left. You know what I'm saying? You take the ukuleles. I don't know if it's similar to this or the inverse of this, but like I feel like when I'm discussing my point of view, sometimes I'll say this is what I think or I could say generally this is what trans people I've encountered would say, or trans people are asking for these rights, it's just kind of a statement of like in general, this is kind of what people say, but I don't speak for everyone. But when you see particularly gender critical people speaking, they, instead of saying, I think this, they just say women think this. I don't know if you've seen this, like especially when they're trying to do this or they do gay people think this. They're like, lesbians actually think this or you know, women have said no, women are concerned about you in women's spaces and stuff and they always seem to talk as if they're a monolith. And you even see the cis men doing this and sometimes they, if you, you know, like you see them saying women believe that trans people are a danger to them and then you click on the profile and they're like, you know, 45 year old man called Gary or something. And it's just weird to see them. Not Gary, not again. It's weird to see them like, because they treat trans people as a monolith and then they also kind of treat themselves as a monolith. It's almost a way to try and galvanize, like support, be like all women think this. So therefore this is very normal to think and you must think this too. Like that's, it sounds like that's the argument they're trying to make there. Yeah, I'd really do think, like I totally agree. I think a lot of the pushback against like cancel culture in general is that it really does have a strong effect on people to believe that what they think and do is normal. And when they see someone getting reprimanded for having a view they do, they worry about it. Cause they're like, oh, this isn't normal. So the solution is to like, all massively rally around this person and make a big song and dance about how actually they're the normal ones. You know, they definitely do that with transphobic stuff. Like people, they say this all the time often when you'll see them talking, they'll be like, oh, I'm actually, I used to vote left wing and I'm very normal and every, you know, no one's ever called me a bigot before and now all of a sudden I may call it a bigot and that's like the full argument rather than saying, oh, the thing I've said isn't bigoted because here's the logical reasons behind it. Instead, they give you a little rundown of their like history politically and stuff. And that's the full argument. There's no willingness to just have some introspection and like analyze, hey, maybe this thing I think, maybe I should reassess why I think this and think from the other side, like what they're saying and like, it's very much just, I was called a bigot, therefore I am now against whatever you are for and there's no assessing at all. There's no, like all of us at some point in time have been either called out for something or thought something that was incorrect and we have reasset, like, I think that's a very... No, you're supposed to be for yourself. Linda was born perfect, I forgot about that, but the rest of us. Yeah, yeah, he's an actor. He was born without original sin, it's really cool. That's true, it's true. David's totally right. You made a great point when you were talking in your video, David, about how like you wouldn't do this kind of stuff to other people's different forms of healthcare. You wouldn't go after children who have leukemia and be like, oh, excuse me, the chemicals you're putting into their bodies are going to mutilate them or things like that. You'd stay the fuck out because it's a stranger, it's their kids, it's none of your business. I have no place in the fucking doctor's office with these people. It's so weird. Yeah, this over-focus on like trans health and the puberty blockers, all this stuff, like these are discussions between doctors and the people that are getting the Medicaid and like the families, like that's what that discussion is. We don't get in between, you know, cancer patients and the doctor and be like, well, this medication actually has these side effects. You should watch over that. Like imagine there were giant stories about like the side effects of certain cancer meds and like every medication, every treatment has side effects. And they're told this when they get the treatment. We don't have to be doing news stories. Like there are people that look into the shit. And yes, there are, sometimes there's like, I don't know, certain medications for certain illnesses or whatever that end up not being as effective and they're reassessed, but they are never taken as a political wedge issue. They're never taken and blown up to this major issue, this cultural thing, because it's not a culture, all it is is healthcare. And yes, that's it. I think this is kind of like what Mike was saying. Earlier is really the actual premise is trans bad and everything else is just an excuse. Like I am disgusted by trans people. I don't want them to exist anymore. So I'm gonna look for a reason. Oh my God, have you seen the side effects on this medicine that they're giving to kids? That's horrific. That justifies my gut reaction and that'll do. I don't need to think about this anymore because I've been proven right. And they just do this all the time with everything. And it's why they were all, you know, lary about trans healthcare, because what part of it is because they want an excuse and part of it is because they find it viscerally disgusting because they imagine themselves transitioning and then they're like, that would be horrible if that happened to me, which ironically is them expressing their gender identity. And they always pretend this is information that's being hidden. And I think Mike, it was your video where you showcased like this, these are, this is like a clinic that has talks about trans healthcare and they talk about side effects. Like it's on the page. Like no one's hiding, no one's hiding information around this stuff. Yeah, this is not so, but to try and like make their point and make it all mysterious and oh, there's a whole reason why they're not telling you about this. Nope, if you're getting the healthcare, you're being told about all this stuff. Like you're aware, like it's, but they have to put some spin on it. Otherwise it's not as alluring without that spin. There's dimensions to the propaganda, right? And this is true for every issue. Like, oh, this is being suppressed. I mean, that was the same thing that we heard about ivermectin from anti-vaxxers who didn't want people to get the vaccine. So they said, oh, we can't talk about ivermectin. I mean, you can. Joe Rogan talked about it on this podcast and millions. You just don't want to be criticized. And then there's also this First Amendment angle. Well, you know, why don't you want to debate? Aren't these ideas worth discussing? So like they can wrap their propaganda in different packages to deliver them to the right people to see which one, you know, is gonna work. And that's what we're seeing with this, you know, with gender, from and care in particular, because people don't really know what that entails. Like I have a trans family member who's young and her parents were called groomers and genital mutilators because they assume that, you know, a trans kid, that's gonna be, oh, surgery on Tuesday. Your kid, like they just, they genuinely don't understand what that entails. You know, it's social transition. It's just letting them choose whatever clothes they want to wear. So, but they don't know that because there's been so much propaganda around and so much fear that you just immediately assume, oh my God, kids are in danger. Or maybe if that doesn't resonate with them, oh, what's this? Somebody tried to call out, you know, gender, from and care and they were banned from Twitter free speech. There's so many ways that they can reach people. You know what I mean? It's hard to get through to people. I mean, the only real antidote is like, oh, it's all ignorance, isn't it? So it's like education, but it's very difficult and it is kind of a complicated topic. But I mean, people have got to get bored of it eventually. Just on this kind of, my ramping down, that was a really terrible segue. I'd probably better go to bed in a minute because it's now three a.m. No problem. I have work. I have work today. Oh my goodness. But is there any like closing things? Well, plug all your stuff. Please plug your stuff. Find your work and people. Yeah. I'll look it up below later as well. Okay, wicked. So I am still currently on Twitter, which is my main platform regrettably, just at Katie Montgomery, which is where I'm at Katie Montgomery on everything. Katie Montgomery.com. You can go on YouTube, Katie Montgomery, apart from Instagram, because someone else stole Katie Montgomery. So now on reds, I can't be that either, which is very frustrating. So I haven't decided what I'm going to do there. But yeah, I have a YouTube channel. I have some sort of series discussing what's going on in the world of trans rights. I have a trans rights calling show on Thursdays, which you could call in next week and talk to some real trans people and ask us any questions. It's a skeptical trans show. You can be anti-trans and call in and give your bullshit opinion and we'll just debate it with you. It's like a no rules other than if you start calling the slurs, then it's kind of a waste of our time. And yeah, so, oh yeah. And one other thing I wanted to mention earlier is when we were talking about people changing their minds, I have a video called I'm a trans woman and I used to be transphobic. So if you're worried that people are judging you for things or whatever, you know, I used to be transphobic and now look, I'm better. So. It's probably a good video to share with people too, to like the people that are transphobic and just like, see what Katie has to say about this. Like that's definitely helpful, I would think. Former bigots are some of the best advocates when they realize how wrong they've done and they try to make up for it. I think that's a powerful thing. So don't be afraid to come out of the closet with the closet being the bigoted closet and say I was wrong, I fucked up. It's okay. But that doesn't include that lady who used to be in Westboro Baptist Church who did a- Oh, she's canceled forever. For JK Rowling, which is- Oh yeah, yeah. Well, she's still a bigot just in a different way. She's re- She changed the target. Re-angled it, yeah. It's just like the same thing. It's the same thing. Yeah, yeah. Anyways, thank you so much. Thanks for being late, coming on late. Yeah, thank you for like losing sleep literally to come on our show. We really appreciate it. Well, I'm hoping because I had three hours sleep before and I've done less than three hours on here that I can just, you know, humans to find with just splitting up sleep schedules, right? I don't know. Let's hope so. It's overrated anyway. Yeah, it'll be fun. Yeah, nice to meet you all. Thanks for having me and follow me on things. It's been great. Thank you, Katie. Great, thank you. Take care. Nice meeting you. She was great. Yeah, she was. It was really interesting to hear, you know, we hear about it, but I don't think, I mean, at least on my show, I haven't yet had on anyone to bring out like a on the ground personal experience about how things are regarding trans rights in the UK. And, you know, obviously online, we hear so much about how they're, they somehow, they've managed to outdo the United States of America and being as backwards on something. Yeah, yeah. Does that, does that make you Americans feel good? Is that, is that a little, you know what? We're not the worst. I'm a little. Everybody else feels about America. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I ate. This is what it's like. Two days ago, I pounded down 20 hot dogs while thinking about this very issue and going USA, USA. Because I knew it was something to finally be proud of in this country that we are not the most transphobic nation on the planet. We're at least second to. Not the most. Yes, we do. There you go. Yeah, I'm curious. So basically it's about the same in Canada, probably not as bad as the United States is the transphobia in Canada. I'm curious. Like in terms of legal protections, you have better legal protections here in large parts of that bill that Jordan Peterson mischaracterized. But what it was, it was. Wait, how many, how many Sissies got jailed? Zero, zero, no. Zero people. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But the whole idea behind it was that you could, prior to these protections, be fired from your job or evicted or denied housing in Canada, simply for being trans or having a different gender expression than what is considered the norm in a Siss, right? So having that in language that it's protected in the same way that other categories are protected in Canada, such as like, you know, ethnicity, religion, stuff like that. Well now gender and gender expression is part of that, which does add a lot of benefits. And I've spoken to people who have transitioned fully through the Canadian healthcare system and it is in certain provinces, pretty comprehensive, like pretty, pretty good. You do have access to, you know, a lot of resources and things you need. Like I have heard very good first hand accounts, as well as some horror stories because it's like anything else, right? There's bad things and good things. But yeah, it's one of the reasons why Rainbow Railroad actually, the charity that we're fundraising money for on July 15th, by the way. Next Saturday, right? Next Saturday, they partnered directly with the Liberal Government of Canada to bring in as many queer refugees from the US, from red states or far red states, trans refugees too, into the countries possible. So that's also amazing. That's so amazing, yeah. I do worry though, about the cultural impact of what's happening in the US and the UK on Canada. Like if this shit continues going on, like Canada, we always feel, it always feels like, at least culturally, we're like a couple of years behind the US. I'm like, this shit's gonna spread out out here in some way. The violence is here. Like do you show that? Waterloo, right? Three people just got stabbed. And that was like, gender studies class. That's right, gender studies class, yeah. Just happened. Oh no, no, no, real world violence is here. Like in my backyard in Kelowna, that's where that story where the old man was yelling at the eight year old cis girl, being like, oh, you must be trans. That's why you won at this fucking meeting. Like, no, Canada, this is fucking terrible. Oh right, that was cool. Everyone tells you it's not transphobic. It's not homophobic. It's not racist. It's racist as fuck. This is a colonial fucking resource extraction project known as a country called Canada. That's one of those, it's racist. Well, hopefully Canada can be saved because that's like plan B for me. You know what I mean? For the first time, like honestly, for the first time, and it's not just me because I've talked to other queer people about this as well. And everyone I know is basically like, yeah, I have my passport updated. I'm getting one for the first time just in case. Come to Vancouver. I mean, you never know where life is gonna take you. It's close by for you, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. And so it's like, things can change so quickly in this country. I'm going election cycle to election cycle, right? Like who wins in 2024? What is that gonna look like for me? Because even though I'm in a blue state, that doesn't necessarily change the climate right of the whole country. And so even though red states, you've got to get out and that's terrible. In blue states, like that culture war stuff, it does, and I say culture war in quotes, but it does like trickle over. So it's like, I mean, what happens if like, you know, it gets worse. You know, if we start actually losing more and more rights, like what do we do? And it's like, you've got to have an exit plan. And it's a little bit paranoid. I'll be sure, like I'm not gonna become some doomsday prepper, but I think that just looking at the climate and trying to be realistic is something that at least gives me a little bit of psychological comfort temporarily. And I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who's doing this because other people are saying, yeah, you're not like absurd to start thinking or to start catastrophizing really about the situation because you never know. I mean, nobody in the Weimar Republic, you know, predicted the Holocaust, you know, everybody was just sitting there and it just happened, right? You always need to prepare and protect yourself. So that's kind of my thinking. So do you guys want to do super chats and then throw out the super chats? I'm sure the two way two, I'm sure someone brought up the two way two stuff. I already see one. So if you want to go further on to that, we can address it. Oh, do you mean to make a segment on it? I mean, I feel like I've talked about that all week, you know, I've watched both your videos. They're both excellent for different reasons. They both go real hard. I love David's fact-based approach because like you laid it out so clearly where it's like, this is not really a topic. It's not waiting for dissent. This is not waiting for this. It's not wanting to politics. And then I clip David. So be good, personal. Mike's video is really good. Check out Mike's video. And we also got David Dole in Mike's video too. Yeah, that's right. But they were both excellent. It was just, I couldn't restate what he said better. So I'm like, I'm just gonna fucking clip David. It's good. It's just, it's just amazing to me for people who are, look, the polling should not dictate what you fight for, right? Go back to the 60s. How was polling on civil rights? But like, let's say that is how you drive, a lot of your coverage is around polling. What's really popular? What's poll? For you to get the polling wrong in your attack on trans rights, like, and that your focus is polling, if that's, and you're still wrong. Like, you know, I'm getting closer and closer to the belief that this is a grift. And I know it's taken me a long time. I should apologize to Ole. But like, it's, it's just, it's like, you know, we all should. Yeah. But like, I didn't say anything like, you never had a position like this. She was so right. I already, I already realized that I, you know, I think Mike put his money where his mouth is by putting his YouTube channel in, yeah, in the position it was for so long. And I should point out, I went out of my way to like, before people accused me of being like this drama baiter, I went out of my way to avoid the drama when I think people probably put two and two together. You didn't even talk about it till you couldn't get the monetization back. Like, yeah, you were, yeah. I even credited TYT, because they're, they're a person who works with affiliates was really helpful, you know? Like, I was trying to go out of my way to not make this a drama thing. Like, I'm leaving TYT because of the, like I just quietly tried to exit. It was a nightmare, of course. It would have been easier to stay, honestly. But like, I don't want the drama. Like this has literally taken a toll on my mental health because I get transphobia from my family with my trans family member. And then I log on to the internet and I see more transphobia and it's not just the discourse, it's the comment sections, right? My comment section is usually pretty good. Like I try to cull the bigots, take away the slurs. But when so many eyeballs are on us specifically, they kind of brigade it, right? Because we're in the center of this, right? We were accused of gaslighting when, which is one of the most fucking amazing things. I've heard them like, God damn, I got attacked for being too kind. Like, our segment, we started by me showing, hey, these are all the videos they've done on, you know, helping like pro-trans rights, whatever. Like just to give context that this is like a one-off thing. We don't know why she said this. And to claim that we were gaslighting when we were attacked for being too nice, like, are you out of your fucking mind? And Ole was the target of that as if Ole was just so uncharitable. I went back and I said this on Ole's show. I watched it. We were all kind. Ole got targeted somehow, which doesn't make any sense to me, aside from other, you know, reasons. But we were very fucking kind, which is astonishing to me. I feel like- We were trying to, because at the time we were trying to be like, okay, I'm not sure what she's reading, what's going on here. I'm not sure what hole she's fallen down, but we think she can come back from this if she understands like, again, if one of you made a mistake, said something ridiculous. Like, this is how the approach we would take. Be like, okay, no, like this is why. Okay. Listen, I have to tell you what it is. I totally agree. I totally agree. I wouldn't even ask all of you, I would be like, hey, what do y'all think about this? You know, I want to get a read. And if you were all like, Lance, this ain't it. I'd be like, why? You explain why. I'd be like, oh, okay. Unless I wanted to do that, right? Like just fucking- Well, and this is what, to David's point about it being a grift, that this is why I'm here as well too. Because look, we're all human beings. We hate criticism, right? The entire fucking leftist mafia was at the center of this Blair controversy. We were getting bombarded. Imagine if we handled that situation in this way, where we just doubled down and like, no, we're right. The audience is wrong. They're so pure. Like imagine if we responded that way. No, listen, we apologized. And we admitted that we were wrong. We can do that. We're adults. That happens. But I feel like Matt, you ever had, I don't know if you made a video about this or talked about this on your stream, but I feel like we should give you the chance. Matt, it's my stage and I'm just completely... Oh, yo, you're talking about it. That's a good pan. Say your piece. Before we do that, we're talking about the grift. So I thought this would be the perfect segue to let everybody know that I've turned memberships on my YouTube channel. Ha ha ha ha ha. Imagine if you just... He is. I saw a opinion that- So by the way, this is the big announcement. So there are people joining. This is the big announcement. YouTube.com slash Matt Binder. It's been requested for so long. Ha ha ha ha. And YouTube will give me a couple hundred bucks if I get 30 subscribers, not counting the gifted memberships. So someone tried to help me out by giving away 10 gifted subs. Unfortunately, that doesn't count towards- That's so stupid. Yeah, so I need 30 individuals to sign up and YouTube will give me an extra couple hundred bucks. I think it's like 500 bucks. So YouTube.com slash Matt Binder. It's open now. All right, now back to the top again. By the way, you might be reaching now. I'm seeing a lot of new memberships in the chats here. So we'll get to the chats in a second. But yes, you may be getting close to that. All right, here we go. All right, so let's be serious now. I just thought it'd be funny to do that. But I did talk about it earlier today on the majority report for a little bit. It was their return back. So everyone wanted to hear what Emma had to say. Everyone talk about it? Yeah, okay. Yeah, and I mean, I think it's, you know, Emma doesn't need to put out a statement every time she's not affiliated with the Young Turks anymore and is not addressing her in this, like she addresses the leftist mafia, but people still wanna hear from Emma. And so we were talking about it on the show earlier today. I'm not gonna repeat what she said. You could go listen to the majority report to hear it straight from her. She's great on this topic, obviously. But what I said earlier today was I personally have no connection to Anna Kasperian or any hosts, period, the Young Turks hosts included. So for me, I don't have a friendship or any relationship with these people. I didn't grew up watching them. I understand and have understood for a long time what their place is in progressive media and progressive politics. And to me, that's why this matters. I don't care what Anna Kasperian's personal feelings are. Just like I don't care what Cenk's personal feelings are. I'm not disturbed by Anna's comments on a personal level. I'm not someone who can't believe this is coming from Anna Kasperian because I have watched her all these years and feel like she's no longer the person she used to be. I care about this because clearly they are a very popular influential show on if not the left, you know, progressives. And there are undoubtedly young impressionable viewers of the Young Turks who trust what Anna and Cenk say. And they're watching this right now. And there's at least a few of them going, you know what, if this is how Anna feels, then it's okay to feel this way. I was questioning it myself too. Instead of, you know, my heroes, Anna and Cenk, setting it straight for me in the right direction. I'm hearing what they're saying here and you know what? I agree with their politics on everything else. This must fit right in line with that too. So I now feel this way about trans people because Anna Kasperian and Cenk Yuger feel this way and these people are the embodiment of what my politics are. And to me, that's the problem here. That's the issue here. That these very influential progressive commentators have made this turn. And this isn't the same. And I know TYT over the years has had, you know, debates and arguments over a number of issues and some hosts have taken, you know, not always the progressive, you know, stand on certain issues. And that's where these debates between hosts happened. This is not that. This is clearly something else here because the double down has been so strong and the issues in which they feel this way are expanding too. This is no longer just, oh, you know, this one carve out thing in trans rights. This is where I differ from everybody else and we could disagree on this, but at the end of the day, I'm on board with everything else. Maybe it was that many, many months ago, but it is clearly no longer that. It is delving further and further and the issues in which they feel this way are expanding. And to me, all these things are what's important here. Not how I feel or you guys feel or how anybody personally feels about their good friend or their favorite, you know, leftist host and a Casparian. The issue here is how their audience is going to digest and interpret what they're saying. And there is no doubt a non-zero number of people who are going to hear what they say and be influenced by it. And I think that's a real problem. And that's the shame here. That's the real shame. And can I just say one? Sorry, go ahead, Lance. It's like, if you care about anyone's feelings, Matt. Oh, yeah. No, I was gonna say that, you know, I've seen the criticism. I saw a comment in our section that it's like, oh, see, this is just for their proof that the leftist, you know, they blow small things out of proportion and it's not like they're your number one enemy. And that's not what anyone of us is saying. Like that's missing the point, right? We live in a media ecosystem where we've seen the Dave Rubens, the Jimmy Doors and it starts very small, but then it grows and expands, the double down happening. It starts to happen. I'm not saying that like, you know, there's gonna be, you know, Jank, Jank and Anna, you know, Prager, you videos, like that's not what I'm trying to say, but people are skeptical of content creators because it is more liquidive to grift towards the right. And so I think that Jank and Anna have to be cognizant of that. This is why people are very hypersensitive and it's not like we're being overly sensitive, you know, as Matt was saying, like it's not just the trans issue. It's the issue with regard to crime and homelessness. And, you know, on fucking Leftist Mafia episode zero, the first election stream that we did with Lance, you know, I was talking about how frustrated I was when we were discussing the LA mayoral race because Jank endorsed Rick Caruso, who was a billionaire Republican trying to buy that race into me. That felt like a betrayal because I was somebody who really had a lot of faith in Wolfpack and I still do, but Jank founded Wolfpack. And so like he made me see how important the issue of money in politics was, how important the commodification or the decommodification rather of elections is as an issue. And so for him to do that, to me, I felt like a betrayal, right? And so it's not just like, oh, you found this one minute area of disagreement and now you're blowing that out of proportion. It's when you step back and you see all of these little things, they start to add up, right? And when we're in this situation, again, where we've seen people start Left and shift right, I don't think people are unreasonable to ask these questions, to ask them to do better. Absolutely not. And also just like, I guess both of you said at this point, we have given her the benefit of the doubt so many times. There's been so much good faith. Like for anyone else at this point, if one or two of those things had gone down, you probably would be like, this person is doing a lot of turf talking points. The latest one, the Jesse Singal, the puberty blockers, the safety of them, we don't know, the jury's still out on that. Hey, by the way, there's this LGBT group that is talking about bonus holes. Look how wild gender ideology is going. This is by design. If it was anyone else by this point, because all of us either have respected what they've done in the past, been colleagues, worked on their networks, or done something with them, or for whatever reason, we have been giving them a ton of benefit of the doubt, but this is bad. It is getting to a point now where it's just like fucking really, really bad take after bad take that only serves the far right in their anti-LGBTQ plus crusade. And this idea that the activists, like I guess there was trans activists that stopped a speaker from speaking or something, that somehow being unreasonable and then going on to say on Twitter, some like one of the dumbest things I've ever fucking read in my life that the civil rights movement was just peaceful and that's how they got it. Like, are you, like, you, you. What? We didn't. What? We didn't. Like I'm Canadian and I knew that's not, I knew that's not true. Like, come on. So it all feeds into this narrative of like, oh, these trans people are so unreasonable. Even if you say it, this goes back to the thing like what Tim Pool does. Oh, I support universal healthcare, but I'm gonna spend my time attacking everyone that supports universal healthcare. Like you can't say I support trans rights and then spend at least a portion of your time pretending these minute things are big freaking deals when they're not. Like this is the impact you have. And as Binder said, on that audience specifically, this is an audience that is malleable, that you can move in the direction you're clearly trying to push them into. So it's people like that, especially from that, from where they're sitting, from the network that they have, it's even more effective because of the audience they're speaking to. This isn't like Matt Walsh who has a built-in audience and either gonna be with them or not. These are people who otherwise, to most viewers, seem like reasonable people. For them to say this shit is really harmful. And that's why it needs to be just called out. And that's why we're calling it out. Yeah. And we're being used as evidence that, oh, well, you know, see, it's even the young Turks are getting called out. So like they're contributing to all of this. We're not dealing with dumbasses. Like we're dealing with very smart people. This isn't a Jimmy doorbell. It's like, oh, well, maybe I can see how he's like walking backwards into this right wing. Like these are very smart people. So that's why at this point, I feel like I have to deduce that this is intentional. Otherwise it doesn't make sense, right? They're not stupid. They've been in this game longer than all of us. And one thing that I also wanna say, like it's really so fucked up the way that they've targeted Ole because Ole has went above and beyond to be kind. Like before the leftist mafia started, I remember watching, before we worked with Ole, I remember watching that video where she went on to educate them about abolition. And I remember cringing watching it because Cenk mistook what she said. She was speaking about Copaganda, but I think that Cenk, if I'm remembering correctly, thought that she was calling them Copaganda or something. Like he took whatever she said as an insult, right? He was accusing her of basically in that they spread Copaganda. He was really speaking about spread Copaganda specifically. And then she was, and I think in very good faith, trying to point out, if you hyper focus on a very specific story, one that is going to fear monger and enrage people towards violent criminals and no one is gonna defensively be like, I'm gonna stand up for the person who just stabbed a grandmother 47 times or something like that, right? But it makes them have to play defense. And it obviously serves that narrative that the streets are violent, filled with criminals and we have to do something to take the streets back. Yeah, but like she, yeah. And thank you for explaining that. It's been a while since I've seen that. But like she went out of her way to be kind to them. And I remember feeling really bad. This was before I met Ole, just like, oh my God, like Cenk treated her like complete shit. That was so fun. I remember watching that interview and being, I was watching with my girlfriend. We were both like, what the fuck? Like why is he being so mean to her? Like this is ridiculous. Like what the fuck's going on here? It was irrational. It was, yeah, it was. It's out to me like I was watching it. This is before everything? This is before leftist mafia. This was like last. I mean like mentally I think. They had a debate on prison abolition and she is so calm and basically articulate in terms of explaining all the key concepts of abolition to a point where on its surface, like I would say fundamentally they agree, but they just kept reverting to, yeah, but like that's never going to play in elections. No one's ever going to buy that. No one wants this. We don't want the rapists around the streets. That's like, that's not what abolition is about. It's that rapists already get away with rape. That's a problem. Can we do things that have better outcomes? Yeah. Not to mention like this idea that all activists have to be concerned about like how Democrats are going to do in elections. Like it's activists are always going to exist. Like that's, you can't like, this is another issue I have just quickly, like not to go into tangent here, but the idea that activists are not going to change their strategy based on what Cenk Ugar is saying on the Young Turks, like all trans activists now. Well, you know what Cenk, Cenk said this and now we're not going to talk about this issue. Like that's clearly not going to happen. So you have to think about as a someone presenting this information to the public, how is the public going to receive this? What is the actual impact? And the actual impact of what they are doing is not on the activists changing their minds. The actual impact is on promoting transphobia to people that are your viewership. And that's the actual impact of what you're doing. And like you two pointed out, by the way, when it comes to the like legislation passing, they use center, center-left, liberal or progressive people in the actual fucking trying to like describe why they should pass those bills. Like Jesse Sengal, the same Jesse Sengal. Like I don't want to get to a point where it's like anarchist sparing of the Young Turks is referenced the same, the puberty blockers could be dangerous for children. And then all of a sudden in that state some new draconian law gets passed. Like that's the real world danger of what can come from this. Yeah. And the idea that their number one thing too is the electoral side of things. Two things here. Number one, the 2022, excuse me, the 2022 midterm elections were clearly for the right about the, you know, the trans-panic culture wars. You should watch my video. There you go. That's what I talk about, yeah. They got their asses handed to them. And then secondly, it does take real gusto to talk about how you're worried about how these trans activists are going to translate to electoral politics when you literally ran a campaign, the most direct translation to electoral politics and you lost really bad. I mean, clearly your issues and your way of framing things wasn't a winner either. Yeah. I just want to say, and I don't know, like just my closing thoughts on this is I think that we have shown that we are good faith actors and we tried to go above and beyond to be charitable. Ole, despite what Anna and Jiang says, she could have like disregarded them after that interview. But the fact that she didn't and was still very kind, but yet she's somehow the most unreasonable and it's absurd, okay? She was very kind to them. We were all very kind to them. So there's nothing left that you can say. We tried, we tried to reach out in good faith. It didn't work. So I washed my hands of the situation. And also she's been falsely accused of calling Anna a racist when what she says, like we don't have to have the cuddle, the white woman hour. That's what she said. She didn't say, Anna Conspirian is a racist. Those are just such different statements, you know? There's just like, that's a false accusation. That's a false accusation logic there. Right. Did she also say something that I haven't watched? I have no interest in watching. I've seen some clips. So I've no interest in watching the full thing, but did she also say, I've seen this going around, that she can't talk about certain issues because she's afraid that she'll be called a Karen or something? What was her exact word? No, no, no, no. Her words and we can play the clip if you want is that she now starts to feel a little bit awkward about talking to, you know, people of color because she's worried about what she might say and if it's gonna be interpreted the wrong way. And I was like, that says so much more about you. Yeah, that's not her problem. I literally like, like sometimes, like I'll be like thinking about something and I'll crack a joke here. And I don't even think twice about it being misinterpreted in any way because people know what my politics are in my... You're uncastable. I know, he is. I mean, people know what my deal is. Like, you know, so if you're worried about that, so you make a comment that might come off bad or at worst inappropriate, you own up to it and move on. And if people know that you're legit, like I think everyone knows the four, five of us counting Ole obviously are, then any mistake in phrasing or wording that we make, we just own up to it and that's it. End of story, no long-term consequences because people know who we are. If you're worried about that, then you're not being honest with yourself, quite frankly. You're trying to get by with saying what you want to say that isn't that, that's plainly purposefully and maliciously wrong. You know it, but you'll hide it by that framing of it. You wait, you and Ole are outnumbered by the LGBTs on this podcast. Do you not feel worried that you could offend us or something? Binder may say something terrible that will offend all of us. Yeah, I never. Straight on this animal. He's always on the eggshells in every discussion. I probably have set the most homophobic shit on this podcast. That's right. I really have, yes. You and me teach all of us. Earlier you said you wanted to say the F-slur. I think you have something like that. Hey, you know what? Before, I probably would have been like, eh, maybe I can't say the word shrag it, but Mike has said it's okay to say on this show. So here I am saying. Binder, you have to give me the pass to say shrag it. Oh, that's right, that's right. It's your word to empower. Yeah, you have to reclaim it. You have to reclaim it. You have to reclaim it. So Mike, you know what? I don't give you that pass. Screw you. You sexist, that's sexist. What would it be? You, what? I don't even know. Heterophobic. Son of a bitch. Heterophobic. Binder's like a sweet, where it's like, I say breeder, and Binder's like this shoe. He would. He always brings the seats too. You know, that sounds good and done. Yeah, I think we've proved that you, like we make pretty edgy jokes on this show. None of us are on edge. Just, that's a you problem, man. You've got, if you feel that way, you've got to venture out and really talk to other people. Challenge yourself then, you know? Yeah. You have to be okay with being wrong. You have to be okay being challenged. Anna Kasparian did a, it was a short-lived show, but she did a show on the weekends with Michael Brooks when he was around. And there is no one I can think of on the left who walked up to that line when it came to jokes and said hilarious shit without crossing it like Michael Brooks. The dude literally had a character called Right Wing Mandela, Libertarian Martin Luther King Jr., all sorts of, he had a nation of Islam, Barack Obama. The dude was legit and he was able to joke about these things because the points he was making in doing these jokes, in getting these points out to people were real, legit, well thought out from the heart leftist politics. And he used that sort of edgy humor to get that stuff out there. And the idea that she did a show with him and she's saying this when there was never once any sort of movement to cancel Michael Brooks. I mean, give me a break. Give me a break. Yeah. It's also worth mentioning that that show she was on, by the way, I don't want to show a clip because I don't want to give those people any fucking attention, but the show she was on, before she was on, the other clips they were doing, right before she was on, they were attacking Emma on Tim Poole. Acting like Emma got, like she got owned on Tim Poole's show, which, what world do you live in? That's what happened. But on top of like, I don't want to get into this drama, whatever's between them, but I thought they were friends. And for Anna to go on that show when they're attacking, what was her friend like? It's just, I don't know. It's insidious. It's terrible and I don't know the intent. And as Bender said, I don't think that's the most important. The most important thing is the actual impact. And I think that's, we would discuss why that's clear. Also, I also want to say like, people think like, oh, canceled for like, they're coming for, listen, if she was to actually still sit down, she wants to come on this show, I'd be happy to have her. She wants to talk with us, I'd be happy to do it. If she wanted to sit down with any sort of left-wing activist, whether it be a trans activist, or just a trans person in the space, and wanted to talk with people and sort of recalculate her position based on what she hears, there's gonna be no like, no, there's no coming back from this. That's not what this is. I want people to be absolutely clear. Like, obviously you can't ask every individual to be open to you afterwards. But in terms of my position on this, because again, for me, it's not Anna Kasperian personally. It's, the important thing is, if she was to listen to people, really think things and come out and say things in a different light, I think it'd be very helpful to her audience and I would support that wholeheartedly. But that's also not to give her, not to give her the kid gloves here and say that like, just is what it is. These are the facts. I would welcome it, but I will also continue to criticize her if she doesn't go in that direction. Yep. Yeah. All right, I can start doing some chats, some memberships and stuff. Lance, feel free to stay, feel free to like, don't feel pressured to stay if you don't want to. I can stay for five minutes, is that cool? Absolutely. No, get the fuck out of here. It's a whole thing or nothing at all. So I am seeing a bunch of memberships. I'm guessing some of these are for Binder here, but maybe it's for, or maybe they're not. I can't tell because they're not linked. No, I think, sorry, this is I think for Mike. So there you go. Oh, okay. Oh, very cool. Thank you. Thank you, Karma. Welcome to the fam. This is also for Mike. Wandering, Kentucky and nice, nice to see you and nice to have you. Thank you. One of these are for me. One of these are for you. John F has two new memberships here. So thank you, John F. Very cool, John. There's the other John F, there you go. Nice. All right, first question here. Scott, I think this is Mike. Oh, okay, Scott with $10. Thank you for that. Howdy, first time ever joining live, I am the one who drew the schoolgirl fan art last week of y'all. Thank you to the entire panel for your advocacy for human rights and informing us on current topics. Well, thank you so much. That made our day, obviously, because we were gushing over it. I really appreciate it. I love it. You are very talented. Yeah, yeah, I was actually, I didn't have time this week, but I wanted to make that our new thumbnail that I use just because I think it's so good. I love it. Yeah, I was gonna, I tried to make it into one, but I had to zoom in too much. And then I think next week, I'll try to put it into one, or Mike, you're better at Photoshop than I am. I could try to figure it out, yeah. I would love to make it through the next week's thumbnail. It's beautiful. It's awesome. I'll be honest, I was a little bit disturbed by the bows in my beard. You see, I didn't mind the schoolgirl outfit. Didn't mind any of that. The stockings, my, me being the only person with my one leg kicked up behind me, like a giddy schoolgirl didn't even mind that. But something about the bows in my beard was the step too far. It was very disturbing. You know, it's funny. I keep learning new, or discovering new things about that. So I didn't even notice that if you look at Olay's hair, there's little bows of Raheem. I didn't even know this until somebody else put it in front of me. Oh, I didn't notice that either. Right, it's subtle, but it's- The details are amazing in that thing. Right, it's incredible. But every time I look at it, we're gonna see something new. Thank you so much, Scott. You are very talented, my friend. This is for Binder. All right, damn, Cedar with a super chat, preemptive Binder mic check reminder, left his best. The mic worked fine today. No problem. Yeah, the mic. Much better. So when it works properly, it has this thing where it'll crack like a couple of times between sentences, but your entire voice won't crack. So it's really, I'm not sure. Whatever software you're using, I don't know what's going on with that, but you'll see what you'll find today. Thanks for ruining my celebratory mic. It still sounds great. It still sounds great. Dynamic Editor says, David, how do you reconcile your anti-gun stance with the fact that you're absolutely packing? That's like a hilarious. I have to say, I had to stretch, that we're talking about the photos I posted earlier, I believe. I had to go a little far back to post some of that stuff, but it's not quite how it looked like right now. That's a good one. That's a funny one. It's just the right level of cringe, you know? No, I think it's good. That's a pickup line you can use at like some leftist like meeting, I don't know. Well, you're not a leftist meeting because leftists are relatively pro-gun, but if you go to like an anti-gun rally, you know, use that. That's pretty good. I like it. Oh, it's for me. It's for me. Tokyo Hans became a YouTube member. Tokyo Hans, my first YouTube channel membership. Thank you so much, Tokyo Hans. I guess you are truly the number one Matt Binder supporter. I appreciate it, my friend. There you go. 29 left to go, Matt. 29 left to go. Here's the next one. Oh, Ryan Lennon-Fan also became a YouTube member. Ryan Lennon-Fan up there with Tokyo Hans and being long-time listeners, long-time supporters. Thank you so much, Ryan Lennon-Fan. Narader also with the YouTube membership. Now, Narader is my big buck's supporter. Narader's the guy who always drops the big super chats. So I appreciate the extra support here with the monthly subscription on YouTube, Narader. I really appreciate it. This is for Binder. Oh, Scott with a super chat. Scott's the same person who made that anime thing. Here's five buckaroos for my favorite Kirstie Punk commentator. Thank you so much. Mike Thompson says, thanks everyone. Thank you, Mike. Thank you so much. Lawn gnomes, this is for me as well, says, which leftist is posting the biggest thirst traps on thread since LinkedIn and stuff? Well, yes, that would be me. Hey, I got like 100 extra followers out of it, so maybe it worked a little bit, but not to the degree I needed to. I wanna get the hell off of Twitter ideally, like completely, and so if we could just move I don't mind me using Blue Sky as well. Blue Sky I feel like is, I like the audience there. I like the, I don't know, the whole, people that are there feel like they're intelligent, funny, great people. Threads is more of like for the masses, mainstream, and I don't mind, you know, having to use both, but if I, as long as I got off Twitter, that would be wonderful. You stop with this Blue Sky slender. I will not accept it. I like Blue Sky, but it ain't mainstream, and it's not their fault, you know? They got limited resources. Stop it, stop it, stop it. I'm one of the top 50 followed people on that site, and of course it's mainstream. I'm super famous, people, listen. If I'm big on Blue Sky, it translates. Well, there we go. Maybe you're the most mainstream aspect of that place, I don't know. This is Bender. Feresto Mintero of the Super Chat, canceled my TYT sub because of Jenks and Transphobia. Here's the $5 I would have given them. Thank you for not being infected with the Neolib mine virus. You know what, first of all, I really appreciate that Feresto, but also, I know people like to take on TYT sort of centrist, you know, vote Blue no matter who takes a lot of times, but this is not that, honestly. Like a lot of neoliberals don't care about the trans issue at the very least, like we're seeing from them, like trans panic really is a very right-wing thing. Most people, even outside of the politics, people are either supportive or just think they should be able to live their life and they don't care to even get involved at all. Yeah, you would find that a lot. Like you would find that a lot of those, you know, centrist Democrats who you probably rightfully dislike on many other issues actually are behind trans people on this stuff. So I mean, again, not all, but this isn't, being anti-trans is not necessarily a neoliberal or centrist thing. It is most definitely a right-wing take. Yeah. This is me, Howard, Howard Schoonover. 20 bucks, very generous, Howard says. I stole this 20 from Elon. You guys are accessories now. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it. This is for Binder. Ooh, let's see. Wanda with a super, $10 super chat. Happy birthday, Ezra. Thank you so much, Wanda. My son Ezra turns eight years old on Sunday. Oh, wow. Tell him happy birthday. I will. Thank you so much. He's really into soccer right now, super into soccer. He plays, he got me super into it once again too because I was into it back when I was young and now because I live vicariously through him, I'm super into it again with him. We went to an MLS game at City Field last night. All he wants for his birthday are a bunch of soccer jerseys and I managed to, I managed to cop. You have no idea how hard it is to find. Even all these months after I managed to cop the official Argentina Messi jersey for him. So freaking super hard to get. I remember you telling us about that. Super hard to get, been sold out almost every time I've checked every single month and then I got lucky a few weeks ago and found it. So once in David's chat that you had a kid when you were 15, is that true? What? Me? Me? Me or Binder? Binder had a kid at 15. I guess because I look young? They're probably joking. I'm 36, so if my oldest is eight, I'm not 15. Yeah. I was in my late 20s when I had my first kid. Fair enough. Which does, that seems pretty normal or even kind of young for nowadays, like. At least in New York, in the big metropolitan areas. Like everyone I know either accidentally had a kid younger or had a kid much older. So there are very few people at least that I know in New York City had a planned pregnancy or planned kid in their 20s. Yeah, I didn't have my first son until I was 27, 2013. So. Lance, are you okay? No, Jank is fucking tweeting out, calling out Benjamin Corolla right now, saying that he's twin. No. Now saying she's too pure for us. She's an unhinged person who called me evil, racist, transphobe and other endless insults and lied about our private conversations. Wow, what a level-headed person that could learn from and grow by talking to. Great idea. He's attacking his former employee. Yep. Yep, tweeting through it. I'm not gonna look right now, it's just gonna piss me off. Wow. Yeah, that's fucking unbelievable. Ben, folks, YouTube.com slash the rational national, YouTube.com slash the humanist report, YouTube.com slash Matt Binder, YouTube.com slash, what is it, Ole or not, her username on YouTube is so hard. It's hard to spell, I still don't know how to spell it, but it's under this in the description box. We link to it. It will be embedded there. Yeah. And of course, the twitch.tv slash the surf TV, right? That's what you're on there, right? The surf times and the surf TVs where I put the documentaries, YouTube.com slash the surf TV. And what's Benny's YouTube, do you know? Yeah, let's link to... Benny Corolla. Everybody, go give Benny a sub. She is a content creator. Let's get Benny out. Let's get Benny on the show. I know you already spoke with her. At B-L-L-B-L-O-M-P. So, at B-L-E-P-B-L-O-M-P-B-E-N. There you go, B-L-L-O-M-P. Everybody, right now, go subscribe to her and leave a comment on her video saying the leftist mafia sent you. Shower her with love. The bombs, that's what we're doing. Shower her with love. Yes, yes, because she is a gritty person and she has the purest intentions and she did nothing wrong, nothing wrong. I'm gonna go do that, right? I'm gonna comment the leftist mafia sent me. If you don't know who the leftist mafia is, saying the mafia sent you could be scary, but she'll know it's us. All right, let me get to this next one. I'll be right back. I see, but does that... I think this may be, is this for Mike? Whatever, I can respond to it. I just wanna make sure, it doesn't matter. I see, two bucks, thank you, says anyone else see David's thirst trap on threads? Oh, Jesus Christ, what did I do? You posted a thirst trap on threads? I think you did it on the list. No, no, no, threads, that's where it was. No, don't try this until you got 100 followers. Because I'm like, I want new followers. I think this is how you do it. It worked for a bit. He wants thirsty followers. How many followers do you have on threads? Last I saw like 500, I'm like, this is not fair. Oh, damn man. I mean, I guess all I gotta do is show face and I get 4,500. So... You gotta show knee, you gotta show knee, baby. You wanna see knee, come on. Damn, imagine if I did post thirst trap. Maybe you should. Damn. All right, you know what? Consider it, consider it. I had to dig deep for those fucking pics though, man. It's like 10 years ago, almost. Oh really, 10-year-old photos. Well, almost, almost 10 years ago, no, not necessarily. That's awesome, that's more shameless than Binder. I'm shameless as hell. This is Binder. I'm a spooky kitty with a super jet. I think Anna is trying to reach across the aisle. Enlightened centrism is a mind virus. Also, Mike, please unban me. I did nothing wrong. I have no idea what happened over Mike's channel. Can you ask the mods? Adrienne, I see Adrienne. Are you able to look into this person? I am spooky kitty. I'll look into it, okay? I'm not really sure, but we'll give you another chance, okay? Also, I don't know about Anna trying to reach across the aisle. I don't think she's trying to connect with anybody, except maybe help connect her with the right people to get a possible payday out of being the latest. Michael Trey C. Jimmy Dorr, Dave Rubin from the TYT Network. I really think that's sort of something that isn't, I know I've mentioned it on this show before, but it really, I think about it, whenever these things come up, no leftist progressive left of center has a track record like that. But something is fundamentally wrong over there when this is consistently happens. I'm sorry. And I think about it quite often, honestly. I didn't wanna look it up, it's gonna piss me off, but some, okay, this is what he's responding to. Somebody says, weren't you willing to have on, Benny on the main show to discuss the clear issue with TYT? Real progressives are willing to hear differences, grow and learn. This is an opportunity for you to do that too. He responded saying, one, she quit. So she is too pure for us. Two, she is an unhinged person who has called me evil, racist, transphobic and other endless insults and lied about our private conversation. Wow, what a level headed person that I could quote, learn from and quote, grow by talking to a great idea. And somebody says the mask is fully off and he responded to that saying, it's true, the mask is off. I disagree 2% with Twitter activists. Someone sound the siren. This is your former employee. The brain worms are in fucking deep. It's unbelievable. I just mentioned, didn't Benny say in her video that I wanted to talk with Cenk on air about this and he decided to do a phone call, which I'm glad they did a phone call, but like an on air conversation would have been probably better. And I'm sorry, her video is so fucking reasonable if she's frustrated, yes. But how could she not be? I'm not going to comment because I'm... I don't know what's going on there. Oh, sorry. This is a new member for, I think, Mike. Oh, Boz, welcome, welcome. Wow, read the room, Boz. Oh, this person read the room. This is for Bender. Here you go. Here we go. Pinker bell with a super chat. The thing I like about Blue Sky is the absence of brands and ads and sponsored content. Surely that won't last long. I hope it lasts as long as it can. That is a stark difference. A stark difference, I should say. Even on threads is, listen, I'm liking threads when you get the right people and I'm building a little community on threads too, but it's the stuff they send you that get like tens of thousands of reposts and likes and comments is the most banal sort of banal, I should say. Shit from brands trying to be all silly and posting news and stuff. I saw a lot of Wendy's posts today on threads. Like, okay, Wendy's is being funny. I don't need to see Wendy's over and over again. But no, that's definitely something that I'm worried about that they're just gonna, like right now there's no, as far as I know, there's no sponsored content on threads either, but it's coming, right? Right, and another thing you see, well, according to threads, they're not gonna start looking into advertising until they hit, I think, one billion users, they said. We'll see if they listened. I mean, it's not gonna take them very long, honestly, probably by the end, but in one year's time, because they've already hit over, probably, it's probably 50 million now in 24 hours. That's wild. But, and think about it, most people, like normal people who are not online-brand, probably don't even know what got launched, you know what I mean? Like most people aren't spending every minute on a line like we do. But I mean, just, you look at some of the people on that, even when you don't see a brand, like Twitter has brands too, doing that stuff. And it's easy to see those company accounts, corporate accounts, brand accounts, and just be like, all right, block, or just scroll past it, because it's quite obvious. You see Subway, or Wendy's, or McDonald's, or whatever, and you're like, I don't have any interest. But the thing that Threads has already incessantly, because Instagram is so flooded with it, are the annoying influencers who are all about treating their own personal account as a personal brand. And they speak in corporate, sort of like girl boss, lingo, and all this sort of ridiculous shit. I mean, it's so annoying. It's so annoying, and it's already filled up Threads. But hopefully, once they fix shit on there, you could stop seeing this algorithmic stuff that has no bearing to your interests. Yeah, once the feed is fixed, hopefully that improves. This is also you. T-Types with a Super Chat. I'm on the fence about subscribing and flashing some skin. Might help me decide, oh, you want a little, you want a little knee? There you go. There you go. Damn, look at that knee. Shadow Project says, David Dole, you're trying to thirst trap your new accounts. David Dole, the naughty national. Someone else on Twitter wrote, you should change your name to Rational Fought, T-H-O-T. But that was pretty fun. That is good. I am not the naughty national. It was one time, it was one time, and some of them are old, and I posted some of them before, and some of them are already on Instagram, so it's not too hard to find. But it's all good. J.S.Fan, this is for me, says, is David and the rest of the lefts mafia crew subscribed to the YouTube channel, not just bikes? Someone mentioned this last week as well, not just bikes. It's a great channel. I still humbly believe that David Dole and Jason Slotter share a lot in common. So this is, I check their channel out. There's someone that is, I believe from what I gathered from the channel, is more about public transportation and riding a bike and basically moving away from using a car and a lot of the contents around that. And it seems really interesting, and it's also a very popular channel. It is someone that I think is definitely on the list for someone that we can talk to. We have so many people that we should bring on the show. I talked to a Cabernacle as well, I'm like, you should come on sometime. Oh, I'd love to have them on, yeah. Yeah, I like Cabernacles, he's good people. Yeah. There's so many people that want to come on the show that we're going to roll out a new monetization scheme where for a little free of... He was a muscle style, nice. 1999 a month. Blockchain based, amazing. Yeah, we got to bring on Benny next week so she can have a regular episode and people can get to know her, not just from this whole drama, so people know. I think that's also fair to not just bring her on for what was going on this week, but also just bring her on just generally. Because she's a good commentator aside from all this bullshit, she's great. I've been watching her for over a year. This is for Binder. Whoa, here we go. Before the cause gaming with a $20 Super Chat. Namaste, good people, heart emoji, praying hands emoji. Much love to all. Thank you so much because the cause gaming and according to YouTube on my end, this is the first Super Chat from you on this channel. Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. I just want to go back to JS Fan for a second because I didn't recognize that $20, I just went right to the chat, but thank you so much JS Fan for the very generous. Matt didn't scold you, David, like you did me. Oh my God, $20, amazing. Trying to do the, you gotta hand it to the big bucks, you know, you gotta give it up to them. You do, you do. That's very generous. Everyone's, to be clear, everyone's generous. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So obviously if it's like 20 bucks or 50 bucks, it's going to be a little crazier. Our voice has got to go a little higher. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Impossible for me, but yes. You're ridiculous. I think this is for you, Mike. Oh, okay, John Finn with 499. You are all amazing, sending love. Thank you so much. And I have to point out that the color of the Super Chat matches your glasses and it's very aesthetically pleasing. Love those glasses. So thank you. I just lost my place. Here we go, Binder. For Resto with another Super Chat, this leopard eats something other than your face. Um, I'm not sure exactly what that one's in reference to, but it actually probably fits quite a few things. I think we still have it up, right? Can we, can we bring it in? Yes, we do. We do. Oh, this one, I forgot about this. There we go. All right. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Incredible. This picture has brought me so much fucking laughter. Holy shit. Uh, new member for Binder. Oh, the synapsis with the membership on the channel. Thank you so much, the synapsis. Really appreciate it. Also this person. Austin, Drace, or Nellis. I'm so sorry if I messed up your last name, my friend, but Austin, thank you so much for becoming a member on YouTube on the launch day of the YouTube memberships on my channel. This is Mike. Archangel, $10. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. That's a big super chat. Mike, I loved your take on Ben leaving TYT. It helped me see that they were shifting that way and I didn't see it. It makes me sad to see TYT is going this way. I plan to distance myself from them. I appreciate you saying that. I have just one perspective based on my experience, so I'm glad that it was helpful. Ultimately, everybody can make their own decisions, but I feel like it's important that I speak up. I'm in this space. I have a very large, we all have very large LGBTQ plus audiences, trans audiences. I appreciate you finding it helpful or saying that you find it helpful. Bender. Let's see, narrator with a super chat. Moms for Liberty are literally the rebranded daughters of the Confederacy. I'm not sure if you mean literally, because if literally, literally, then I want to look into that, but they certainly have that same aura about them. That's for sure. Let me know though if you are saying literally as in they actually are, because I would like to look into that. Narrator with a $50 super chat. Oh my God. If my soundboard works. Yeah. Yay. When you have rational, national... That makes rational, national sense. There we go. That makes rational, national sense. Narrator says I have reached the regrettable conclusion that, oh, great. I can see what this is. That I wish I could do the Michael Brooks voice, but I'm not going to even try. That the black straight stumbling block in the stride towards freedom is not the white citizens council or the clan, but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice. MLK. There we go. There we go. For a second, I thought it was like putting on like a joke. Okay. It's a serious quote. Thank you. It's a good thing you didn't try to do them. That's why I'm like, oh, this is a joke. I'm going to read in the joke voice like, no, no, no. I just want to plug a really good pallet cleanser on the subject of Michael Brooks. Look up the Halloween special, I can't remember what year, where he was playing Jimmy Dore and Sam Siebert was playing H.A. Goodman. That is going to improve your mental health, I promise you. I've watched it multiple times and I laugh hysterically each and every single time. It never gets old. It's so fucking funny. It is hilarious. It is very funny. The only unfortunate thing about it is while the Jimmy Dore impression stands the test of time. No one remembers H.A. Goodman. H.A. Goodman. Right. No. Yeah. The sketch was a product of a very specific era on YouTube. Kids these days have no idea of the H.A. Goodman era. They don't know. Here's how Bernie will win part 625 and the date on the piece is November 2021. I wonder what he's doing. Well, he became a Trump guy. But is he still around? I wonder. I don't look up. I'm actually very curious. I'd rather not do that. You could do that. We should hate this one. It's for you, Bender. Oh, it is. Let me read this before I check out H.A. Goodman. A crew of ten dollar super chat. You guys talked about superhero movies in the last two weeks, the only one in the last decade that I think has any leftist perspective that actually challenges it that actually challenges is Batman versus Superman, the ultimate addition. I haven't seen that. But man, if that's the best represent if that horrible movie is the best representation of leftist politics, then I don't know. Is that a good thing? It might be an animated to be fair. It might because there's a bunch of animated. Oh, what is it? I thought all the animated one directors cut. That's what I thought. No, you're thinking of justice. The Snyder cut. Yeah, but it could be an animated. I'm not sure. Isn't it the comic? Am I wrong in that? I think I'm leaning towards that being right. No, this is the one. This is the one with where Wonder Woman makes her debut. The live action. I'm OK. The ultimate addition. The ultimate addition is 30 30 extra minutes of footage. That's why it's called the ultimate. Oh, yeah, I wasn't going to watch that for 30 more minutes. Yeah, you're right. I do and doomsday is one of my favorite villains, too. And they completely blew it. So I mean, I know the I love Superman instead, comic book. That was a great one. I mean, they shot making them longer. Doomsday should have been just as big of a deal as like Bane in the Batman in Batman in the Dark Knight movie. But he just he doesn't come across that way. He just like he spoiler alert for anyone who hasn't seen this twenty sixteen movie yet, but he breaks. He breaks he he he kills Superman and then Superman comes right back. Like what, like twenty minutes later when Superman dies in the comic. That's a huge fucking deal where Doomsday kills him. And that has long lasting ramifications. I remember being a kid and reading like the four different Superman that came out of Superman's death. And like it was a big deal when like I don't remember how long it took months, if not a year or something. If not years, I don't remember for Superman to actually return. And and get his revenge with with Doomsday. I mean, for them to do it within twenty minutes in the same film is fucking ridiculous. This is Mike. Oh, Chris or or more edgy. Sorry, I'm I'm so sorry. Let me try that again. Chris or more edgy for ninety nine. I'm probably still butchering it, but at least there is, you know, a little bit of a mess. Hey, David and Katie as an autistic person, how are disability rights in Canada and the United States, respectively? You know, the kingdom. Oh, did I what did I did I see United States? Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm trying to I'm trying. So this is an issue. I have to be honest. I'm just not all that familiar with. But I'm trying to remember there was a specifically around covid. I remember there was a debate where disability rights advocates were were asking for, you know, reasonable help and they were not getting it. I feel like it's not something I can really speak on it with any sort of, you know, knowledge. I'm not sure if you lance no more. Directly speaking about covid, I actually have spoken to disability advocates who much like what happened in the UK will be quick to point out that a jaw droppingly high amount of people who initially died from covid were also people who had common abilities, disabilities and a whole bunch of other stuff. And yeah, it was a disgusting kind of, you know, you can see class stratification in that not only was it old people, but predominantly people in lower income brackets, poor people, people of color who are racialized in society. A lot of them, just like in the United States, other parts of the world were amongst a lot of the first people to start dying from the disease. Well, I'm being I'm being corrected, by the way. Apparently, I misremembered the movie. Superman doesn't come back in the same movie. Sue me, Sue me. But that's how memorable that movie is. Yeah, I forgot about it. Isn't there like a shot in like the coffin and then you're you're like seeing like, I don't know, like the soil or something like rise. Is that the same movie? And like it's it's it's basically it's basically giving the indication that, hey, he's not dead or that may be a different movie. I don't know. But that's that's what I remember. Yeah, I don't remember. My brain purged it entirely. So you could tell me anything about that, I believe. Oh, and I'm a good man. H. A. I keep saying, ah, because they look like, ha, but H. A. Goodman update. He is still going at it on YouTube, posting daily videos. Wow. He's got 200,000 subscribers, which what the fuck, man? I can't even barely I'm breaking 30 K. And this guy's got 200 so with the prize luck. But he still seems like he's a charm. Oh, my goodness. And it seems like he's spreading disinformation in every video, being that one of his more recent videos is titled DeSantis endorses Trump and ends campaign in early 2024. As far to governor losing momentum, he's already making that prognostication, I guess. Wow. Oh, he has a good track record. So let's see how this works out. Oh, God, guys, now I'm really starting to worry that Ron DeSantis will now actually become the president of the United States. All right, where am I? Narrated. It's going to start. This is going to start a beef arc with AAC, and he's going to see this and react to it. I wonder if everyone's sorry. I got to go. It's eight back. No, take care, Lance. By the way, guys, we have so many freaking chats. Oh, God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. I'm not saying I'm just saying like maybe we need to figure out like a different strategy here because this is we're not. We're not getting past these before like 1 a.m. Like, oh my God, now we are. We'll not get out of the next hour. You'll see. We'll not get out of the next hour. All right. I hope so. Anyway, if you need to leave, I can I can stay, David. All right. Then at some point, I may have to brush your mind. But this is if both you have to leave, I can keep it going for as long as people keep sending me money. You can't focus me, Mike, or host once once we both leave, you're done. We could just like leave the stream going all night with none of us here. And then well, then it'll then I'll wake up in the morning and still go. Do you guys see this censorship regime going on here? How both Mike and David have teamed up to quench the growth of my YouTube channel. Well, Mike is on the West Coast, so he he's unlimited time. Well, I wouldn't say that. You all have unlimited time over there. You'll all you do is like swim and like, you know, go to the beach and shit. I hate all of you. I wish. This is for you, Mike. Oh, narrator with twenty dollars. Wow, thank you. That's a that's a big super chat. I appreciate you. It's great that people support LGBTQ rights, but passive support isn't enough. There are too many people who quote support those rights, but will vote in a bigot because that support is in a priority over lower tax or something precisely and that's a really important point. That's like just being a passive supporter is the bare minimum. That's just being a decent person. But those aren't the people that are going to be there for you when you really need it. The people who are the best allies are the ones who stick their necks out for you. You know, speak up, even if that makes them feel uncomfortable when they when they hear something. But yeah, passive support, it's very fickle and very conditional. So yeah, I'm glad that people are noticing the difference. This is also you. Oh, OK, Panda Gay with five dollars. Absolutely love all the work that the Mafia puts in. I really hope you all keep kicking ass. What do you guys consider having JT from second thought on? Second thoughts, second thought. That sounds very familiar. Why am I? Oh, oh, oh, oh, yes. I love second thought. I had to think for a second. Yeah, he does basically like relatively short video essays. They're like 20, 30 minutes. He's a socialist. Really, really great work. Yes, I don't think I've ever heard his name, but I do know the channel. Second thought, my some of my oh, man. Patron channel. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, they put me on to his work and he's great. I would love to have him on, honestly. I don't know if any of us has a contact. But if any of us do, it'll be Lance or Ole, because they have all the contacts. Yeah, they know everybody. Yeah, yeah. Most of the guests. This is Bender. Rachel Kay became a YouTube member. Thank you so much, Rachel. Really appreciate it. This is also Bender. Night Owl and the Moon with a $10 Super Chat. Love your humor on the show during the Super Chats each week. Thank you so much, Night Owl. And this is also Night Owl's first Super Chat on the channel. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Glad somebody appreciates my humor. We all appreciate it to varying degrees, you know. Goblinty Nuts, one of my biggest fans right here, says this is for Bender, F. Mary Kill, you name the name. Fugazi, Idols, Black Flag. True. It's a good one. I'm going to go. You know what? No, not that order. Fuck Fugazi, Mary, Black Flag, Kill, Idols. Are we talking about wrestlers or punk bands? Punk bands. I think this is punk bands. OK, OK. I love the weekly FMK questions from Goblin. Yeah, they're always interesting. This is for you, Mike. OK, Forrest Dudley with $10 of love for Matt. I'm switching my $10 subscription to Mike's Patreon. I love that this meme is still going instead of subbing the TYP. Looking forward to hopefully chatting with you tomorrow, assuming I can find the link for it. Yeah, so I'm doing my Patreon chat at 4 p.m. Anyone who is a $5 plus member can join the Zoom call. I send it out about 15 minutes before in the community tab or in a post on Patreon. So that's how you can find it. Looking forward to meeting you. This is for Mike. Oh, OK. Yes. Dazzbo's Flash with $5.99. Hey, Matt. Here's a solidarity super chat for the demonetized humanists. I love this. Oops, wrong number. PS, I really love the last four words of your TYP bid. Thank you. Thank you. I after I said it, I second guessed myself. But then I thought, no, I have to be honest with myself and my true feelings in the moment. And if you haven't watched Mike's video yet, those last four words is subscribe to Matt Binder. There you go. I love him, too. Man, you're always so creative with how you grip at something. I know. Yeah, I know. And then I look at both of your subscribers and I look at mine and I realize that all that work is for naught. It doesn't matter. You just turned it on. You'll get there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to talk about the paying memberships. I'm talking about subscribers for some reason. For some reason, I trance you guys on like Blue Sky Twitter and threads where it doesn't fucking matter because they don't pay shit. But where it matters and you guys get paid and make an entire living, that's where I'm a little. Not to mention, new stations also also clip you out into like their news reports. Yeah, I know. Apparently nothing will. Apparently I just really I'm just really that bad at this that people I'm all over the place. And people like, you know what? We're going out of our way to not go to that channel. And everyone's fighting ways to like not give you money and like not watch your videos. Subscribe to Binder people. He doesn't work. Yeah, come on, come on. Every single leftist mafia person should be subbed to all of us. That's right. This is for Mike. Oh, okay. Night owl in the moon with 999. Thank you so much. I adore you as if you're a family member of my rainbow family appreciates all your passion and work, that means so much. Thank you so much. That's really kind. I appreciate that. Wow. Thank you. That makes me feel really good. This is Mike. Kowalski, 199. What did they do to us? I'm not sure. What were we talking about when I came up? I cannot remember. I love his chats because they're always you got to like place them and like he's always got something going on. They're very cryptic. He makes you he makes you really think it makes you. Yeah, it makes you think. Justin Watt, twenty dollars says love y'all. Thanks for being so consistently cool heart. Thank you so much, Justin. You're cool. Very nice. This is for Mike. Psycho farm with ten dollars. Thank you so much here about the viral Twitter account that was pretending to be a stereotypical liberal saying crazy things get suspended. Makes you wonder how much online discourse is completely made up to cause chaos. I heard of that. I don't know the details, but you're absolutely right about that. You know what's funny is the last time this whole birthing discourse took place, David found accounts that were kind of like going on both sides. I found that again about the same. I don't know if it was it's probably a different account because I blocked that last account. But yeah, taking both sides of the argument, leftist mafia, they're terrible. And then they usually tag people's what I noticed that they're trying to get people like to react to whatever they're saying, which let's be on like in this case, there doesn't there doesn't need to be people that are like there's already we're already discussing it. We don't need some extra fake people coming into the conversation to take different sides. Yeah, I suppose like the stick poking us has been very busy. You know, we were already at each other's throats. So yeah, yeah, I've seen that. This is Bender. ADJ became a YouTube member. Thank you so much. I really appreciate everyone joining right now because like I said, YouTube's gonna give me a bonus check. Talk about bonus holes earlier. YouTube's gonna give me a bonus check. I'm at bonus chess going right in the bonus hole. That's perfect. I hate that I now know what bonus hole or that that's a thing. I just I hate it. I feel like I'm gonna use that now my personal life and just really piss off my girlfriend as well. It's gonna become a thing, right? I don't know about that one, buddy, but. No, she'll just laugh. She finds it funny. This is for Mike, I think. Oh, okay, Izzy Sanchez with $10. The right always wants to use fear for the LGBTQ plus people is all about kids. If it's for migrants, it is about the jobs. If it's minorities, it's about the crime. If it's about homeless, it's about the freeloading. It shakes my head. Exactly right. That's a really good observation. There's always some victimization that these marginalized groups are supposedly committing. You're very astute to pick up on that because it's true, it's a propaganda tactic. And if you're aware of it, then you can't unsee it. So I appreciate you pointing that out, Izzy. Thank you. Bender. Aaron D. Meyer with a Super Chat. What's the wrestling equivalent of the heel turn TYT is pulling right now? Oh man, okay, I got a really good one. I can't believe this came to me this quickly. And if you are a real wrestling fan, there's like a double bonus for you in how equivalent it is. It's like Hulk Hogan turning at Bash at the Beach 1996 and joining Scott Hall and Kevin Nash and forming the NWO. Hogan's first mainstream heel turn. But in this situation, unlike with that, the NWO thing, Anna, Jank, and we don't yet know who the third man is. If you're a wrestling fan, you'll get that. Wait, so wait, who was the third man? The third man was Hulk Hogan because. Oh, that's right. So wait. So wait, but in this case, who do you think the third man is going to be? We don't know who's going to be the third man. We have no idea because Anna and Jank are the outsiders. And no one's bigger than Hulk. Like Hulk, it's not a complete comparison because Hulk Hogan, I would say, is probably Jank, right? Like who else would Hulk Hogan be? Yeah, what if Hassan makes the turn? Oh, shit. Oh, shit. What if Hassan, I mean, nothing would be worth nothing. It would go wild. Hulk Hogan turn. Right. Right, it would be. By the way, speaking of Hassan, I was watching his stream about this. Hassan is fucking hilarious. He he was trying to talk about this in a very, like, reasonable way. And he was going off on chat because he pulled up the tweet and they noticed that Anna had unfollowed him. And that's all that they would focus on. He's like, you fucking drama perverse. Like it should have so funny. Hassan cracks me up. Yeah. Oh, my God. What is going on? What is in the water over there? Is LA OK? What's going on in LA? Oh, my God. By Twitch, I could have also stream on Twitch, too. And Twitch is going insane over the Hassan mention. You would never do that. You know, I know. Yes, I know. Hassan's already come out against all of it. We're joking. That's why it's hilarious. That's why it would be the ultimate turn because no one saw Hulk Hogan turning heel in 96. He was on the team with Sting and Macho Man, Randy Savage. He was the representative of WCW. He was the ultimate good guy. That's that's the that's the equivalent. That's the joke here. I'm actually kind of surprised that that back in the day when that happened, that the audience bought it, that they that they that it wasn't something they just turned against. They were they were in Bobby Heenan with that call. Who's the third man and the crowd watching as Hulk turns and does the leg drop on Randy Savage? The crowd was throwing shit in the ring, which you don't see that much anymore, at least on the. They were throwing cups and food and it was insane. Oh, my God, I feel like as a viewer, that that's got to be one of the most mind blowing things to ever happen in wrestling, like to see that happen. Like that would have been crazy to be there at the time. Anyways, moving on, we will be here till like 1 a.m. I know I'm actually seeing the stroll bar. I'm like, oh, fuck, David's not going to try to go through these quicker, so we're not. Yeah, I will try to stop the chat at one single thing. Unless there's another wrestling question. Otherwise, we'll be here for another. Send any wrestling super chats to Matt. This is a vendor again. Nicholas Bridges with the super chat. When will Lance take accountability for the fact that his friendship with Ole broke Anna is what? Am I missing something here? I think they're joking. I know they're joking, but what's the joke and reference of? Was there an actual? Is there a I think it's just the fact that it started the podcast. Well, then again, we know we didn't we didn't do this. That we were reacting to something else happening externally. So even in that scenario, it's not necessarily what happened. Also for you narrator with a super chat, T.Y.T. is an embodiment of why the culture war is a distraction. It's such a dumb position. It ignores the human cost of the war. All right, I mean, also, you can't have those takes and say the culture war is a distraction because you're adding to it. You're fueling the flames. You're fueling the fire. That's true. Like you can't like it. It's like being the person who I don't know shot friends for an ending being like, all right, let's all move on and let's not. That's a good analogy. This is for Mike. Oh, it just shows in randomly with five dollars. Canadian switched from T.Y.T. member to your Patreon due to transphobia. Well, I appreciate you becoming a member addicted on housed comments. ETC, where do we get notified about the monthly zoom event? So it's always going to be in the community tab on YouTube on Patreon. I'll make a couple of posts. Usually it's the first Friday of every single month. And I'll usually do a couple of reminders at least two. But if you don't see the reminders, if you miss them, it's always going to be the first Friday at every single month. And I like it starts at four. I usually am there until like seven, 30, 8 p.m. But they're usually longer because people will stay after I leave, too. So just, yeah, some look forward around around like four tomorrow, PST. Binder. Mr. Hustin, notice how the people complaining about bonus holes probably never have seen one in their life. That's an interesting, you know, a thing to say after David Dole complained about bonus holes. I didn't complain of bonus hole. I love the word. I love the term. I'm utilizing like I've never used it, never used in a bonus hole. David, I think he professed his love for bonus holes. No, I said I professed I don't profess my love for bonus holes. I mean, I'm hyperboleizing a little bit, but, you know, no. But I'm going to I'm going to exactly I have a child. Clearly, I have utilized a bonus hole before. This is the weird conversation. There's plenty of ways to. Is the bonus hole? See, I actually if we're going to if we're going to use like biggest slot machine lingo here, we should call it like a jackpot hole, right? We should just call all orifices meat wallets and be done with it. OK, there we go. Perfect, everyone's happy now. Also, who's to say which which which hole is the bonus one? Yeah, you could argue the bonus hole is a different hole. But everybody has, you know, not all of us have the bonus one. You know what I mean? So that's where I think it kind of. Oh, yeah, yeah. So in that case, you're right. That would be the bonus hole that makes. Yeah, yeah. OK, that's enough of this. We've really dissected that a little bit too much. Perfect super chat from a ton boss. Oh, you knew that shooting buckets in the bonus hole. Oh, I hate bonus hole. Oh, my God. Mike. Narrator with twenty dollars. I think this is the second one narrator has sent. Wow, thank you. I really appreciate that. Friendly reminder, Jenkins and his position on affirmative action is that affirmative action is bad because it causes people to be racist and devalue or belittle POC in positions of esteem. This turn for TYT isn't surprising. Yeah, I can't speak to Anna's position because I don't know it. I haven't seen their video, but I did see Jenks position. And yeah, it's it's one of those frustrating things where they're basically against something because the right is mad. Like I'm sorry, I'm not a cuck. I don't count out to the right. So yeah, I I hate that logic. If you want to be against affirmative action, then I disagree with you. But that's really weak reasoning. And Jenks always had this position against affirmative action. Like this this one is in Newford. Like he's always had this position. Like there's old videos in the same thing. Oh, I didn't know that. OK. Yeah, yeah. So it's but it's a I mean, that's terrible reasoning like the idea of like giving in because of like it's just. And again, as we said before, that's not going to stop people saying those things, right? Like it's just yeah. Yeah, no progress because, you know, other people will be mad. Brett Wingers will be mad. Yeah, it's just really stupid. This is also you, Mike. Oh, Wellington Smith, five dollars. 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Like, yeah, yeah. You know, and by the way, like just if you want to support the show, but you can't monetarily liking the video goes a long way in the algorithm, honestly, and like commenting. Like sometimes I'll just see comments like comment for the I'll go. That's a huge huge that's huge. You know, so yeah, I can't so you know when videos go live. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, listen, if you can't if you can't afford to become a member or send super chats or whatever, what you have on your hands is probably time so you could, of course, donate your entire life to us and watch all of our content and just nonstop. No, I'm joking, obviously. Bonus hold deposit. Dominic says that. Bonus hold deposit. Oh, my God, that's going to be for you, Bender. Emo Dragon became a YouTube member. Thank you so much, Emo Dragon, really appreciate it. Also, Bender. Emo Dragon narrator with. Oh, my God, geez. Oh, boy, $50 making the love around. Damn, narrator, Muscatine, Iowa's July 4th parade, had a white woman dressed as Matooka, parentheses, Pocahontas. Bound by rope being led by a man riding a horse celebrating the kidnapping of a 12 year old hot take. That's an honest celebration of America's founding. I don't know what was what was their point. I think it's important to know what their point was, what it was in their context before I have an opinion. I would have to see it because it sounds like it could go, I guess, either way. Right. Mike. Mr. Catherine with $5. Thank you so much. Anna is a great example that no one is immune to propaganda. True. TYT likes to watch Fox just to dunk on them, but now they are starting to sound like Fox. Yeah, and that goes for us too. None of us are immune from it. Little tiny things can seep in, and once that seed's there, it can grow. So you've got to make sure you are constantly trying to correct that shit. Don't let the propaganda get to you. I just realized either I skipped a bunch of mine, which I didn't, but they're not showing up in order here for me because I was waiting for the next one that I see on my list, which is from Parker. Maybe it's further down and it just comes. Oh my goodness. I hope it does. We'll have to see. Unless these are for me and you. Just so people know, the chats for Mike and me, I can't tell who's for who unless I look in my own personal chat and see if, see if mine's in there. So Mike may have answered some of yours that are for me, whatever, at least we're responding to it, but I just want to make sure I get to all of them. So I'll keep going. I was looking up this thing from that last super chat and I got to say, I was thrown off by narrator saying how an honest celebration of, you know, America, I am all he said, or she said, and I was thrown off by that. After looking it up, it doesn't seem like it was in. It was good whatsoever. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was thrown off by how he phrased, I think he was being, you know, tongue in cheek about how. Okay. Yeah. Excuse me. Oh, here it is. Okay. Maybe it is working fine. This is Parker says, I just can't believe she seriously said quote, I don't feel comfortable talking to people outside my race because some of my things say I'm racist or a Karen. Yeah. I she I guess tried to clarify it the next day. I'm not sure it really clarified it. It was really, it's a really weird thing to say. Didn't she also say something about Kyle Rittenhouse? We didn't touch upon that. Didn't she say I didn't watch the clip. So I feel wrong. Right. Saying what I heard she said. Did you catch that? No, I don't want to comment if I don't know specifically. Yeah. That's why I asked. Yep. Yeah. This is bender. For rest though, the super chat, the fact that Anna declared she watches Jesse Sengal regularly and sees no transphobia there's wild. His entire content is unsubtle transphobia. Yeah. That was very bizarre. That was, I mean, Jesse Sengal is basically like the leading transphobic voice in, you know, U.S. sort of coverage of trans issues. He's everywhere on that beat. And to say that you consume his content and don't think there's something suspect with it. Because, and that's putting it mildly is bizarre. Yeah. Yep. This is for Mike, I think. Oh, wow. Joe Winograd $50. Oh my God. Thank you so much. That is very, very kind. I really appreciate that. Mike been subbed to your channel for years now. Love to hear that became a supporter today. Can't afford more on my Starbucks wage. Oh, please. Well, listen, please do not ever feel compelled to monetarily support the show on your Starbucks wage. Just watching. That's all I could ever ask for. So please don't, you know, offer monetary support if you can't. I hope more people like understand that too. But thank you, though, for your kindness. After watching your bid calling out, Jankin and Anna deeply sharpened my perspective as a syspan. I think the work you do is incredibly important. That means the world to me. I really appreciate you saying that. I gotta say again, people, if you haven't seen Mike's video, it's really good. It's definitely worth watching. Check it out. It really breaks down the whole situation. And yeah, just a fantastic video. Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad to be very honest. Yeah. And it was like, it was, you know, it was measured. Not that I would mind if you were just sitting in there and screaming either. Yeah, but it was like, it's informative is what it is. It's very. Yeah. Because I always try to be honest, but measured is the word I was looking for. Right. Like where it's like, I'm trying to like, I'm still trying to like, my first video where I talked about that I was trying to reach Jankin and Anna this video, I'm trying to reach people. Right. So I hope that people kind of like got what I was or picked up what I was putting down. Yeah. Yeah. Getting tired. Sorry. No, no, no, it's fine. For me, it was the exact same thing. My first video was more like the first time we covered it was more trying to reach, you know, Anna and then the second one is like, you know, now I got to reach their audience like that. I want their audience. I know I know just a portion of their audience watching me, right? So it's like, no, I don't want you falling down this trap thinking that trans people are sinking elections. That's so fucking the opposite. Exactly. Exactly. Ridiculous. This is like. Oh, okay. Narrator with $5. Thank you, narrator. Hey, hey, I love. I love when they do this. Hey, David, can you ask Lance what Matt's favorite Chuck tingle book is? And then this goes to you. I'll have to ask Lance what my favorite Chuck tingle book is next time. Chuck tingle. What is that? I thought you would know. I assumed he was a wrestler. No. I'm looking at a suit. Author. Chuck tingle is a synonymous author primarily of niche gay erotica. Okay. Even with said book, it's like if there's a name I don't recognize and it's to Matt, I just assume wrestler. I feel like that's that's been successful for me most of the time. Yeah. I don't. I don't. I didn't know who Chuck tingle was until now and I'm interested in. Chuck tingle's work. Are you now? Joe Hobson. $5 super chat. Thank you so much. I've been watching Katie on transatlantic and the line for a while. I love that crew so much. Great guest. Yeah. Yeah. And she was absolutely fantastic guest. Love her. Yeah. Fantastic. There are a portion of that I want to clip onto videos because there was there's a lot of a lot to discuss there. I'm sorry. I'm reading some of the titles of J tingle. J tingle. That's actually is someone who listens to the show Chuck tingles. I'm sorry. J tingle. I'm looking at Chuck tingles. Bibli bibliographies. That what it's called when their line of work with books. Whatever. The titles are something else. Helicopter man. Pound's dinosaur billionaire ass. A novel. My billionaire triceratops craves gay ass. These are book titles. I'm gay for my living billionaire jet plane. Space raptor but invasion. I have no but and I must pound. These are very creative. You can see why there's a following there. Apparently they've won a Hugo award before. And so then one of their titles was slammed in the butt by my Hugo award nomination. I want to check this out. This is good. I'm officially intrigued. I am. Wow. That sounds crazy. Bender. Kowalski with a super chat. The United States will always do what's right. I think we also got another super chat coming up. Yes. Kowalski continues another super chat after exhausting all other options. This one is for me. Kowalski. I'm not leaving the U.S. I'm going full John Brown. Well that's always an option. Well then we'll all come to Kowalski's farm. He could keep us. Hide us there. We'll form a fashion or an anti-fascist militia. Bender. Narader with a super chat MLK had a 75 percent disapproval rating before he died. This is true. And also in reference to you know when Anna mentioned how her reimagined version of civil rights in this country which is honestly a version that a lot of white Americans believe because it's the sanitized version that taught in school where the civil rights movement was successful because they were completely and entirely peaceful and the country saw what the police were doing to these peaceful protesters and their heart went out to these civil rights protesters and they turned on the authorities and stood toe to toe with you know toe to toe with the civil rights protesters and demanded justice for them which is just not true. That's not what happened. This is Bender. Wanda became a YouTube member. Thank you so much Wanda really appreciate all your continued support. This is for me. Lobowski says would you ever have the amazing atheist on the leftist mafia he would make for an interesting conversation on your show. It's not someone that really comes to mind for me personally. You know I've seen a video here or there. I don't really watch much of his content but I don't know. I've watched TJ for a while. I'd love to talk to him. Not right or the super chat Matt you're grifting wrong you're supposed to not care about the buddy money face emojis. See that's why you'll you you have that Matt Bender guarantee that I'll never be able to grift because I just can't do it right. There you go. And you got two new members here. Andrew Clement became a YouTube member. Thank you so much Andrew really appreciate it and Jesse link became a YouTube member really appreciate it. Listen I'm I'm I'm jotting down the names of everyone who becomes a member on the launch day of the YouTube memberships on the channel and I will be shouting you guys out for all eternity on the live streams and you got more coming up in a second but this chat's also for you. Oh Blex actually with a super chat. Thank you to Tokyo Hans for gifting me a membership so I don't have to pay Bender any money directly and we should mention I don't think StreamYard caught this I guess they don't catch gift memberships earlier Tokyo Hans gifted 10 memberships to the channel. Oh wow which is fantastic I get that much I should be clear I get that money but according to YouTube's terms the gifted memberships don't count towards that one time incentive they want individuals but listen that's the one time incentive gift memberships you could continuously do and I'll still get that money. Awesome this is you new member. Venetia David thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member I really appreciate it. This is for me PitchforksDragon thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member this is for you. James X became a YouTube member thank you so much Donald I'm noticing all these the usual suspects who are always in the live chat I'm noticing you guys thank you Donald also for you think Ronicity thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member and I'm also noticing names that are not familiar to me so thanks so much think Ronicity Jay Cass says David and Lance can you guys sponsor me to migrate the hell out of here first of all Texas will then to concede Canadian bacon greater than regular bacon yes it is especially if you have I'm forgetting the name of it now but there's like a breakfast it's like my favorite breakfast thing and it's too late I can't even remember but there's like eggs and then there's hollandaise sauce on top of it and eggs Benedict freaking amazing my favorite breakfast thing and Canadian bacon it is fantastic I agree thank you Jay and sorry we can't sponsor you I just it's like from what I understand it's actually pretty hard to to immigrate here but it is I've actually looked unironically is it yeah it is yeah it's a tough process I mean maybe the first the first step could be moving out of Texas maybe yeah just move somewhere blue a little easier you know but Texas has some real good you know I've never been but I hear so many nice things about Austin and Dallas and other major metropolitan areas I hear the people there generally are pretty nice and well right this is you Binder oh Pinkerbell thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member you got four in a row here oh nominal times thank you for becoming a YouTube member Moe I'm sorry if I'm saying your username wrong but Moe know up thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member and Katie Sheppy thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member really appreciate it all of you it means a lot I'm actually going to hit that 30 very soon man pleasantly surprised how quickly it's yeah I wasn't recognized from Twitter she's actually yes I do as Katie as well she does look familiar okay yeah am I following let me make sure I'm following her think this is so they redacted the message so maybe I shouldn't read it the message is redacted in my chat but it's here but it's over here I'm gonna not read it because maybe you want me to read it but thank you thank you Nathan for your super chat I was not following Katie already that sorry Katie Katie this is for Mike oh a super sticker from Linda Juliana I'm sorry if I put your name thank you so much I wish I could see the super sticker let me check really quick okay it's a it's a little fox with some hearts and he's making like a little scary phase it's it's kind of tiny but thank you it's very cute love it this is for Bender Venetia David with this another super chat let's get Matt that cash I'm pretty sure we're gonna do it the YouTube incentive I already got it for signing up for the membership and I think we're definitely gonna hit it so I really appreciate it you guys really I mean little YouTube's gonna give me free extra money just for ex turning something on that every that you know Mike and David already have been doing so you know I really appreciate you all helping out there because it's means a lot to me. Ezra's gonna have a good birthday this year folks make it pay off at Jersey there you go yeah yeah Bender Themic with a $10 super chat none of you addressed Team Rocket running loose for decades pro crime left typical now I'm going to be every type of phobic because of this fringe issue I've cared deeply about for the past minutes listen we got to give it up for Team Rocket because they've always been prepared to fight so I don't know you got two members Bender here Daniel castle will become a YouTube member thank you so much Daniel Bay photo becoming you brother so much for gonna be here so long I know okay try to roll through speed up when Anna says transphobic anti poor anti unhoused tough on crime bullshit their own chat is like nope that's not it that's not progressive that's interesting I would so I've actually gone and read like YouTube chats after the fact like on the videos but I'd be curious live because the live audience you would assume is more is gonna be less you know right wingers being like yay I support whatever you're saying so that that's interesting that that there is some pushback there that which is good I mean good to say I just noticed something really quick I'm sorry I don't know both of your guys channels like as you know as the show progressed and obviously we get into the super chat area and it's getting late some people decide to leave your channels have you know your your your your your viewers are smart and they've went to bed my channels gain viewers as we continue let me look on my analytics here oh yeah I might go down a little bit since so we do do super chats interesting I've been checked one yeah hmm I guess it's probably because you do like you do a lot of streams so yeah people are probably used to it I mean last night I was here to one so oh my god Christ this is for me snack panther five bucks thank you so much says I watched Lance's video and I wish I was shocked with the heel turn of Anna and great show tonight folks thank you so much snack bender you got two more of these dig it Dave became a youtube member thank you so much Dave really appreciate it and Matt Claremont became a youtube member Matt great name too by the way great taste in a who you give your membership to and great taste in names kudos to your mom for naming you shout out to Matt's mom Mike that's a lesson one 99 we need more women here imagine how tired we are yes yes we do yes we do Mara villa 3x says would you guys invite Anna Casper and until I'm such acknowledge the podcast what we said earlier yes we would absolutely yeah if she I mean again it depends obviously I'm not sure I can't speak everybody everyone here right like on the whole podcast but in their city as I said yes Mike said yes I always say I'll talk to anybody you know I there if anything there's I mean that's it's worth it in terms of even if you know I want to dimpool show just like Lancet and Emma did and the purpose of all of us going on these shows is never like we're going to change that individuals mind hopefully in you know in in a case of someone who supposedly is on you know the left that conversation be more fruitful than one with someone like Tim pool but at the end of the day it is like I said the point is to reach to those viewers of that other person and give them another perspective on this and hopefully you know change their mind at the very least or give them a new perspective to ponder about Nathan Drake says the New Brunswick provincial government passed a new law requiring the trans students under 16 be outed to their parents yes sorry I did hear a little about this that we didn't address earlier I'm surprised you and Lance didn't cover this yes no that's right I typically don't cover many provincial like unless it's my province Ontario so I'm more familiar I'm just people expect me to like be very knowledgeable on what's going on in Canada that's not what I read about and cover every and follow every day like I did I maybe I should be but it's impossible for me to juggle all these things at once so I typically know like federally what's going on I know provincially generally what's going on but separate provinces like I don't follow that closely there's just there's a lot of news and it's hard to disseminate all of it but yes that did happen and I'm glad you mentioned that thank you Nathan this is for bender Mr. Houston we were able to forge the path to gay riots through a riot yeah mm-hmm gay riots through a riot yep banquet of leviathan says let me know if this works it does 20 bucks thank you very generous thank you so much oh wait I don't think that last super chat was for me but I read it anyway I'm looking at my own channel this one this one should be really that I don't think it's linked to you the only chats I do know are yours are the ones that I do know who they are who they belong to are yours because there's like an extra icon glitch on YouTube's end over here because this one's not showing up weird I believe you though uh this mine yes snack panther says make no mistake trans rights or human rights you can't call yourself progressive and human beings exist are in peril yes absolutely binder narrator you are I don't know what you got going on but wow man ten dollars super chat from narrator the true test of an ally is calling them a bigot they can defend themselves they can attack back or they can take a moment and ask introspective questions only the latter is a true ally I mean that's a great point absolutely narrator right I mean a term like that would only really bother you if you were actually worried of being outed as an actual bigot otherwise you know that being called that wouldn't mean anything to you it would just cause like you said that introspection as to why someone would call you that yeah uh hello somebody says one is not anti trans and they are not becoming a right wing grift because I've watched every to it episodes in 2015 just like how I've watched every Mike Dave clip since near inception alright so I will say this is it's gonna be hard for you to so in terms of the actual intent again no one knows for sure why they are saying the things they're saying what matters is the actual impact so that's what we should be focusing on is the actual impact we discussed earlier what their words are on the audience they're saying it to but look I can relate in terms of or it's your unwillingness or it's your attachment to this idea of what they are because I began watching them before you did actually 2012 2013 around the Mitt Romney Obama elections when I began watching TYT so it's you know you watch somebody for that long you develop like you know some sort of like familiarity and relationship with that with those people with that show and it's very hard to accept when those people who you trusted for so long are now saying something that is so clearly destructive so look I'm not sure I'm not gonna change your mind in terms of maybe how you think about them or what they're talking about but I just want you to understand what they are saying is harmful and we've already discussed like go watch Mike's video I would say Mike's video even over mine like to really give you an idea of of what the whole discussion is about and to give you a really a clear breakdown of all of it because it's yes it could be hard to digest but you have to be willing to open yourself up to changing how you feel about them real quick I just want to say that for me if you watch my video I hope that the takeaway wasn't that I'm calling them anti-trans or transphobic they make anti-trans comments but for me this is about being good allies and bad allies my contention is that they are shit allies if they're even allies that's debatable at this point and so the goal was to communicate why I think that as allies they have fallen out of that status so I'm not trying to make like an umbrella categorization, transphobic, anti-trans that wasn't the goal overall because you know hopefully that makes sense sorry Matt didn't mean to cut you off no no I wanted you to say something to someone like this I would say I would say this let's say on these let's take the thing where you know where this all started with Anna coming out out of the blue and making a whole big deal out of what was it the birthing person term that was the original trans-inclusionary language that bothered her if let's say it really did bother her but as an ally and as someone in the space and someone in her position she just had to take a look at how that's actually affecting people's lives, how relevant that actually is and what her opinion on this personal issue that no one is really dealing with no cisgender woman is being called a birthing person on a regular sort of setting where it would bother them please so instead of looking at that and seeing how coming out against that would affect the broader trans discussion an ally would at the very least been like you know what it might personally bother me you know if I was referred to by that term but it's not worth bringing up the pain it's gonna cause, the outrage so that's a personal pain I'm just gonna keep it to myself and continue to advocate for trans issues and be an ally on the the policies and the trans rights that truly do affect people by and large on an everyday basis but she didn't do that so at the very least she couldn't even decide when to just like not speak out on something like that so you know I think that's like something to consider too if you're someone who doesn't want to admit what they're saying is wrong think about like what was the purpose the relevance of them coming out and doing that why did she have to make that stand on that issue and I brought this up to her on Twitter and then she didn't respond to me this is a more recent interaction where I'm like you have to understand the power of your platform like what you focus on matters the way people are listening to what you are saying I forgot my exact words but basically saying what you decide to make a discussion out of that matters you meet what you're focusing on, what you're highlighting using your platform doesn't matter, that in itself has an impact and TYT has discussed this before this is where I learned this shit how mainstream media, how they frame issues what issues they focus on, how that changes narratives this is shit they know about which makes it all the more bizarre and one last thing that I want to say about that is that Matt's point about second thinking more deeply about what you want to say the broader impact is really important but like all of us it's not even that hey you shouldn't have done that recognize that you got it wrong and then apologize because nobody expects somebody to be a perfect ally I don't expect even my own family members to be perfect allies my mom sometimes will admit I'm sorry I shouldn't have said this to you I hope I didn't offend you we're human beings nobody expects perfection but if you mess up then you just simply you can either choose to double down and harden your stance or you can try to learn from these people in the community who you purport to be an ally of and if you choose to not do that you're not a good ally bare minimum just drop it completely and stop talking about it bare minimum that's very easy to do yeah this is for me Pandora Bryan thank you for the $199 says so awesome to see Katie on Left's Mafia yes absolutely I'm glad a lot of you the audience knows who she was there's so many people out there I had no idea to Lance invited her on I'm really glad that she was on and we had that discussion I want to bring her on more but I feel about it just to be up in the middle of the night that's the same thing I said to Kavernak I'm like I would love to have you on I feel forced I don't feel pressured because I was like 2am there I feel so bad this is for Binder Omega with a $10 super chat this went so far even for Benny's taste Anna and Cenk seriously need to open their minds given how TYT got many of us many of us in leftism and this polling and election nonsense as a crutch that's false and cringe AF yes I agree Omega this is hello somebody again says thanks for the $10 says I fear a lot of the trans combat on Twitter recently as a result of 20 years of instigators and provocateurs trying to divide the left what does OTOH mean again I don't know checking I forget what that means on the other hand on the other hand and as a result Cenk and Anna are acting like children oh okay so you get it this is from the same person earlier yeah right yeah okay well because we're not randos right like we're not instigators we're friends yeah okay to that point I'm sure as we said earlier yes we have discovered people out there that are trying to instigate but that doesn't change what they have said on their platform like what they have used the platform regardless of any instigator if there was no Twitter that existed what are they saying these things Twitter is not the reason why we are engaged in this debate yeah losing my place Mary Mary Morrissey with a very generous $19.99 thank you so much Mary says I never liked TYT but I really feel we're gonna find a financial grift going on here too Anna called out Olay because of his giraffe yeah this is something that we all have to deal with understand at some point getting called a name is not the end of the world being sworn at or someone being mean to you should not dictate where your politics are like that's also what's with white people getting so angry about being called white it's the weirdest thing in the world I know as white people and I say this as a white person so I'm not racist against white people let's not be super sensitive if coddle the white lady makes you mad you need yeah that's like a pretty kind insult actually and we were coddling her we were going out of our way we had kid gloves on where's the lie fair for a reason at the time and we were wrong we were wrong Olay was right I'm gonna prove her wrong later on I'm really surprised hello somebody again thank you so much very generous today says 3 I watched Benny's and Mike's video today and I am not convinced I think 2IT is simply acting defensively and they have had wrong takes there was also a lot of so I guess the crux of your argument is a grifter part of it I would just say it doesn't matter what their intent is I don't think there should be an over focus on that because it's impossible to know obviously so if you don't think they're grifting that's fine then they're useful idiots to me behind the scenes kind of had a disagreement about this I don't think useful idiot is a kinder thing to say than a grifter I don't think useful idiot is like a defense of them some people may think differently but I don't view that as like a defense of somebody I just think it's a different intent behind what they're saying but regardless the impact is what matters and you don't have to be convinced what I want the take away to be from my video is like how to be a good ally you know and I'm just sharing my own perspective on this just if you want to be a really good ally don't do what 2IT does but I mean you don't have a large platform so even if you did it wouldn't have the impact, right? this is for me Robbie, 82 thank you for the $2 says gets sandy love us from left of the box I think you didn't you bring them up in your video? yeah I put a little clip of them in my video they also had a really good take on this I'd love to bring them on really really insightful also Canadian so yeah I'd love to get them on this is I think it's for you Mike? okay so Jeff with $10 thank you so much on Philosophy Tube there's a video called I emailed my doctor 133 times the video is on the horror of the trans healthcare system in UK I learned a lot, interesting I have not seen that I do love Philosophy Tube I'll have to check that out though because yeah Abigail Thorn is amazing huge shout out to her yeah I'll check that out hello I just realized hello somebody has a lot of chats coming my way on this it goes to seven so I gotta say thank you very much hello somebody wow it's not just on Twitter if you boil it down however it is my impression that it is just one big misunderstanding I happen to agree that we should not emphasize trans women in sports I don't think it fucking again I watch my video it doesn't fucking matter I don't understand that term though we should not emphasize exactly this is the thing as well nobody is the right wing is like no one else is emphasizing this this is not a thing which is also that why that video from them is so bizarre as if like there's no one is emphasizing this point the right wing is making this into something like putting it like that makes it sound like there is like someone's pitching a tent and like signing up trans athletes on the spot like there's no emphasis there's just literally just a few instances literally just a handful of instances throughout the country and usually at the high school or college level so in a lot of cases we're talking about literal kids who are trans they're actually sports that match their gender identity and sometimes they have no choice there are even many occasions where there's the famous example of that wrestler I forgot his name I think it's Mack or something like that where he wanted to face other men but because the school viewed him as female he had to face other women and then the right used that to say oh look at this trans woman beating up other women when it was actuality a trans man being forced to face other women wow it's amazing how they twist because they work on the ignorance of people that's his name that's why the propaganda is successful is because they work in that ignorance and on my channel dozens of trans videos like two of them are about sports yeah it's not a fucking it's not a thing yeah whatever there's more I'll get to the rest of their chat in a second here but this is I think for Mike okay Jcast with $5 thank you so much who do you all think is the next left commentator influencer to grip to the right my money's on David definitely not from Matt Bender's camp I think we've been asked this question before too I don't I don't want to play guessy games of people that are currently saying doing the right they're gonna go to the right it's let's hope nobody okay Sam Cedar is gonna make it the ultimate I would think probably out of anybody he's the one I would least suspect so it's gonna be right right yeah he's the third man except except ultimate swerve the team he joins isn't the team we were talking about before the team he joins is jimmy door and Dave Rubin looking for a new member oh my there'd be no bigger twist than that he couldn't even pull that off he's too smart to pull that off he would just be like he'd have to play really dumb and I'll think he's smart enough to play that stupid exactly well you don't know Sam Cedar shots fired so they have done those parody episodes where him and Michael pretended to be like right-wingers so that it is possible they could do it hello somebody I think finishes their point here so this is the next three ten dollars super chat thank you again says because it's a long so this is okay just to end from the previous sentence I happen to agree that we should not emphasize trans women in sports because they're losing issue not just electorally did you you give me so much super chat money here did you watch my video it's not even if this is the point that you're like dying on it it's not a loser electorally midterms we're all about this shit anyway sorry but because it has given the ammunition to the right that sticks and it's okay to have minor disagreements you understand so let's look even more broadly for you we're not just talking about this issue affecting trans people this issue is also going to affect cisgender mainly cisgender women there's already story after story after story of someone looking you know someone at their granddaughter's track race granddaughter's swim race and there is a woman there facing who I guess has slightly more masculine features than what that parent or grandparent deems is makes you a legitimate feminine person and they demand that this child's genitalia being checked to prove they are actually a real cisgender woman it's ridiculous and this stuff does not just affect trans people and we want to talk about like the disgusting sort of shit we put our children through in this country this trans panic is going to not just greatly hurt trans people and trans kids but it's also going to really fuck the heads of cisgender kids as well who have to go through this bullshit just because they don't look feminine enough in the eyes of some you know 75 year old boomer yeah and let me just say I want to plug David Dole's video again it's not a losing issue also on the note that Matt Bender pointed out I actually did a video a couple of weeks back about an old man he's a grandfather in Kelowna who actually did this he accused the cis girl of being trans and in that video I provide you with arguments about why this issue is being weaponized by the right and counter arguments that you can use to respond I'm not a sports person but the arguments that I have are political in nature political arguments about how hey did you know that there's only 150 trans athletes in total in the united states so statistically you are more likely to get shocked by lightning or bitten by a shark than to encounter a trans athlete this is a non-issue did you know that attorneys general or republican politicians can't cite what example of a trans kid causing a disruption did you know that there was only one known trans athlete in Kentucky and that little girl helped form her entire hockey team but then she was banned from her sport she's a middle schooler so these are things that you need to think about because it's don't argue on the right's terms reshift the narrative right because you don't have to see it ground to them if you think it's a losing issue you can still hold strong not see it ground but also dismantle what they're saying because what they're saying is fucking bullshit we have the facts on our side they don't which is why they cherry pick these little anecdotes and just to be clear so we're not called like bad faith or anything like so Jenks position is that he doesn't care about high school like high school trans kids like he doesn't care about them being in whatever sport his issue is like at the professional level like the Olympics or whatever which is there's like what's happening exactly it's not it's not he mentioned like some somebody in like I don't know in some some Canadian city which I'm in Canada never heard of this case but some Canadian person was like weightlifting and they're trans and they lifted some this shit so why is he about weightlifting in this country like what is what is weightlifting been something you've been paid attention to exactly the idea of conceding to any of this is completely ridiculous and I don't this is anyways we've spoke to death about this let me I know we six says again hello somebody says time will tell and did not follow twitter I simply think TYT is arguing the wrong way I think is arguing defensively like a child yeah the amount of like screaming and vitriol he had on this like it was like so disproportionate to like what is actually important happening it was wild to watch and seven says and OMG they are not expanding to the right Mike Mike Bender Bender and now all I disagree with TYT often but you are wrong with your description as I type you are creating imaginary pulses that they're moving their audience to the right like whether or not you think they're trying to get a right wing audience there the audience that currently what this is the actual threat the audience that currently watches them that I would say is not on the right largely obviously they're moving them to the right on this issue that's that's the the issue with the focus on these things that are not worthy of focusing on right and this is for Bender ooh let's see narrator Anna is not going to self correct in the spotlight the work she needs to do has to be without an audience her pride isn't going to allow otherwise I mean I don't know but you know that's that's too personal of a but I suspect based on most people you're right you know that's probably how most people would react when they're put on the spot to double down so they don't you know look foolish publicly yeah I will say I will say it's 1213 um do you guys mind if I roll through mine really quick feel free yeah no I totally get it you know you're good you're good I gotta wake up brother to bring my kid to you know daycare and stuff and I'm just so late holy shit it's very late all right um gotta take your kids daycare for another day of making youtube videos that's life both both parents work I know I'm joking also actually daycare and just generally gets I think it's I wish I was in daycare when I was there because I think I would be a lot better socially like my kid is getting exposed to socially in the way that I never was that's good yeah just that like that alone is worth it for him uh Bayfoda says there's so much I could say about Jack and Anna but instead I'll just ask David to give my money to Olay Olay has an actual cash app yes yes I forget what it is but there you go um sorry this may not be for oh this is for me uh so rent says did you ever finish warhammer 40k bolt gun I am stuck on a boss and I have not gone back I hate I don't like hard boss fights be ruined so many games for me but I do want to go that game is super fun I do want to go back and finish it when I can let me find the next one it is from banana banana slug dragon what a name um here we go uh the fact that Ben let the fact that Ben felt the need to leave TYT I love watching John Jr uh doctor I think it's Richard Rashad uh says you have all been more than kind you need to be more you need to be on more than once a week um yes absolutely thank you for saying that uh sorry I found my place here um there are two members uh Thoreen and Robbie 82 thank you so much for becoming a member uh Mary I will find you the amount of scrolling I'm doing here guys we love we love this support I'm not complaining I'm just like I'm amazed by how much support there is tonight there's a lot tonight I'm telling you this show this this show is uh taken off we should we should maybe start really looking into people who have been requesting that live show because uh yeah people want want to want to see it this is this is wild uh oh my god okay I'm I'm gonna find you I hope I didn't skip you Mary where you at what time is this posted up Mary was 11 20 here we go uh Mary Aberto says I thank you so much thank you so much for all the work you three do you guys really make a difference and help many of us keep sane with all the craziness going on in the world of media thank you so much Mary that's really kind thank you very much next one is EJ and 124 EJ says I need to see Emma on here soon yes we we we are very bad at planning and inviting people but yes well actually I made the joke to Emma today when I was on majority port that it actually probably worked out in everyone's favor for her to specifically not be on this freak show but it does feel like she's a little more open to maybe discussing some of her feelings now on this so yeah she she definitely maybe she'd be okay with it I also I also think she doesn't want to you know be pigeonholed into the fact that she needs to speak out every time oh absolutely yeah yeah I want to put her in an uncomfortable position no I wanted to have fun she's happy to do it but same as Fanny like I want her to come on and have fun and not have to talk about you know bullshit so yeah yeah Carl Peter says take my TYT money Jank is similar to Trump every time he every time he turns on someone yeah it is it is wild to see him not be willing to open up to new information and he's the one that always discusses how hard it is to get outside of your own perspective and then here he is stuck in his own perspective like good lord how do you go is wild Kauru says what is a bonus hole that's okay you can look it up you can look it up we don't need to rehash that discourse this is gonna bonus holes gonna be coming I'm sure you brought it up earlier it's it it's a thing that Anna brought up an arriving podcast and it was a way to be like look at how crazy some of these people are these trans activists and it wasn't even like a some LGBTQ group just suggesting from three years ago a different word for you know the bonus hole to break it down even further the entire it's so important of an issue you're the entirety of your politics needs to revolve around it there you go you should fear this one thing and yeah it's funny I've not heard a single person like know of this at all like not just like queer people but like this in general it's literally the same thing as the birthing person thing it literally is the same thing a very specific terminology that's used in such small specific settings that the vast majority of people are never going to be in and even the people who are in it mostly do find themselves in those positions do not hear that term either themselves to like even make a thing of it is so ridiculous Wow I'm strongly passed a lot of new memberships for bender so you got a lot of names to read out later buddy you definitely hit that number you definitely hit that number I'm trying to find here we go Canada Rock says I was a TIT member until about two weeks ago before the tweet and I confirm that the chat really was letting them have it especially me I was done with their BS even before that tweet good shit I'm that's interesting I'm glad it's 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with a $20 super chat hey Binder I saw the cramps at CBGB in NYC in the 80s plus I joined Patreon and oh my god Jenk is off oh no cringe face emoji heart emoji and salute emoji yeah I was actually shocked the last time CBGB came up on this stream and it seemed like the majority of people did not remember or if we're here of CBGB which was a little bit scary to me really showing my age I guess really showing our age good for Gabby but good to know there's someone who remembers it with me hang on I don't think we're that apart in eight how did you say you were I'm 36 oh I'll be 36 in a couple of weeks oh I think I'm gonna say in 10 years I appreciate the compliment but no you've got another member oh Christy Coates thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member on the channel really appreciate it I honestly cannot believe how many people begin I love that you hit you probably hit the 30 I don't know yet we did yes for sure that's awesome you got a super chat the narrative dude with a 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perceptions reality is brought to you by lee atwater already we at the late stage yet left his best hope all as well thank you spin me a sale cloth um I believe this one is from me uh parker with two dollars gen calling someone unhinged no irony awareness I don't like that he called I think that's very very fucked up um another one for me 199 meteor dreams it's sad to see the left become more conservative yeah um people change unfortunately some people grift but it is sad regardless thank you so much for the super chat um let's see I believe this one's from me uh if you see if it seems redundant and I'm rereading over something that David Dole had read then we'll just disregard it but I don't think I've seen this one so tin man excel with 499 for me thank you so much I was a TYT viewer going back to air america radio wow that's before I was even listening and today unsubscribe they have lost their credibility as far as I'm concerned um I don't blame you yeah I feel very disappointed um $10 for me from Cy Abelman love your videos Mike thank you so much by the way I really appreciate the $10 super chat and the kind words can you guys recommend any specific books or authors I can show people that give a good overview of trans issues and why we should all be fierce allies right now thanks um in terms of books I haven't read many books specifically on on trans issues um here's what I'll recommend I'll recommend a couple of journalists that I think you should follow definitely follow Erin Reed her sub stack is Erin in the morning she is I think probably one of the best if not the best on this issue and also one of our former guests Alejandra Carbio follow her as well they're phenomenal I haven't been reading a lot of political or theoretical books lately because I'm trying to use them as like brain cleansers before I go to bed um but yeah check out their work um because they have some amazing reads and they write very frequently too uh so I can't recommend them enough um so I've got a member Robbie 82 thank you so much welcome uh and then we have a super chat for you Matt dig it Dave with a super chat are using windows try disabling audio enhancements I had similar audio issues now I'm using a Mac Mac mini m1 um I think there's some issues still with some apps that uh aren't quite maybe built for specifically m1 max yet or m I mean that's m2 now so who knows maybe it's just maybe I just got a shitty computer maybe I got a bad one I mean I have the m1 and I'm I had the switch to this one which is not the m1 I think it's I don't know which intel processor but yeah still having issues um right the problem is the m1 the the m line the the silicone chip max are really fucking fast and uh once you know these little kinks are worked out uh I mean it's it's clearly the the uh most affordable most powerful computer for like streamers I think not for gamer streamers for people who just stream to account if you want if you want a game you still gotta get a PC gaming uh on on mac is a is a no go no go don't even bother we have another super chat for ya snack panther with a super chat happy birthday Ezra the messy jersey rules thank you so much snack panther really appreciate uh uh you wishing my son happy birthday I mean I was gonna say I I he'll appreciate it I'll let him know that my uh my audience on YouTube wish them happy birthday he'll get really excited because uh he thinks YouTube and all these social media platforms is a big deal oh that's awesome yeah it'll actually mean a lot to him that's cute another one he looks he yes he asked me about like my follower account and he's like what you guys he'll be like what he'd be like I'll be like uh what he thinks a lot of subscribers and he'll be like 1000 and I'll be like check out how many Twitter followers and he'll be like what that's that is so cute because he's gonna look up to you so much like oh my god my dad is a rock star I love that yeah but then he watches this game streamer who's got like 10 million subscribers on YouTube and so I look like small that's funny this one is for you too damn cedar with a super chat Brooklyn boy binder recommend a good punk album quickly up top of my head the album of the anger and the truth by the unseen it's got a number of my favorite unseen songs on there okay we've got a couple for me here we have archangel with two dollars thank you so much I won't make this Friday I will be in the future I might be too tired to comprehend that but I will see you around speaking of Friday which is that's tomorrow yes today's Thursday left us mafios on Thursdays I'll be on Jeff Waldorf show tomorrow at I think 1 p.m. PST so be sure to check that out and another one for me Sally Thompson with five dollars thank you so much Sally Mike it is still early here this beautiful evening in Portland Oregon thank you for a great show as always love to you all thank you so much love to see another pdxer in the chat really appreciate that yes it is I want to go get water like 30 minutes ago and David was still here and it was still nice and bright out I was expecting it to be dark but yeah it's dark now though for sure probably um let's see this one's for you Eric a champ oh I'm sorry if I mess up your last name Eric I'm going to try here though Eric a chiampong with a super chat you guys are great if by some off chance Ezra is into anime there's a pretty good soccer anime called blue lock also hugs for his son he's not quite into anime yeah I'm sure oh he did watch that Sonic the hedgehog anime that came out in 2002 but that's more because of Sonic the hedgehog not because of his anime but yeah I'm sure eventually he'll be into anime judging by what he currently likes and I'll definitely check out blue lock thank you so much Eric um let's see this one is for me from meteor dreams 199 thank you so much why is there a segment of the left that is anti-gay um you know it's hard to say right I think that we all kind of have a lot of internalized homophobia myself included even as a gay dude because we're we're raised in a heteronormative society and that doesn't just mean that like oh there's all we see is um is straight people um but it also means that like being uh straight as the only option is kind of what's pushed on us right so uh we're kind of challenging that and you you don't just like erase those beliefs what has been embedded into our brains like that it takes a lot of time to program yourself and it's a constant battle so I think that there's a lot of leftist that um think that just like not being anti-gay is is good enough um but you know it really requires a lot more introspection it's difficult right I mean when when I was a kid this was completely taboo so society has completely changed throughout my life so it you know that's a lot of deprogramming it's it's complex right and people don't want to search within um so maybe that's that's a very convoluted answer but I'm getting tired so hopefully that answers your question though um we do have a new member for you Matt oh uh uh and Andre Sakura just became a youtube member thank you so much Andre also I want to shout out uh riverboatjack just uh rated uh my twitch channel uh thank you so much riverboatjack and also while I'm there uh genocide 2002 subscribe via prime uh twitch you could still you know if you're an amazon prime subscriber already uh you should definitely use your twitch prime subscription that you get whether you subscribe to me or to someone else on the leftist mafia or someone else all together uh amazon gives it to you free every month one free subscription to a twitch user costs you nothing extra and it gets your favorite twitch user paid so definitely use it it's so many people subscribe to amazon prime I totally get it it's very convenient so take advantage of when they're giving you free money yeah uh we've got a lot of super chats for you in a row so here's the first one uh Marla Serrat with a super chat 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in the wwf and they put him in a feud with the undertaker and ddp who was like the wcw's version of like the people's champ you would come out of the crowd the crowd be patting him on the back cheering for him he was like the rebel who is fighting for the good guys but like he wasn't really part of a team and he would constantly take on the nwo all by himself sometimes wf finally brings him in after they purchased wcw and they turn him into a stalker character who is stalking the undertaker's wife and the big pay off was for the undertaker's wife to beat ddp in a match and that was basically nailing the coffin for ddp's career in the wf he never was able to really recover from that I mean I guess I know what you're saying in terms of like the disappointment and the level it's at but I think in terms of like actual analogous storyline I think the nwo one's pretty good we've got another one for you here and I was back just in time that was perfect actually another one for you this one's funny damn cedars with the super chat Hassan already had his fall from grace he bought a house I love so much that it's a meme socialism is when azan no house that is fucking hilarious so this one I believe is for me 0pe499 I would love for someone to ask Anna if she thinks her recent moves honors her friendship with Brooks I brought up Michael Brooks in the context of how there is a prime example of using edgy jokes to get across the point you want to get across without having to worry about bothering anyone because everyone knows exactly what the point of the joke is and where you're coming from I wouldn't want to use Michael's name in an argument in terms of how good of a friend someone was or if they're properly honoring that friendship I don't think that's necessary I get where you're coming from but I don't think it's necessary to do that I think use Michael Brooks to literally show people his content and how good of a commentator and educator and leftist he was and how he was able to be a prime example of using entertainment to teach people all those things very well said and also check out the Dark Web audiobook with Sam Cedar I've been checked out but I know that Michael Brooks's book was amazing I read it when it first came out and I thought it was incredible obviously yeah check that out let's see here so we have another one for you AOD fan with a super chat Lance and Ole need to star in a remake of Taxi I mean does that movie need a remake with does someone need to remake a Jimmy Fallon movie I could be mistaken wasn't that a remake already of an older movie or am I wrong because there was the Jimmy Fallon Queen Latifa one from I think like 2005 but I could be completely wrong about this I feel like that was the remake right I don't know if it was a remake I think it was just oh it is a film of a 1998 French film of the same name so I don't know what it is it's technically a remake but it's not like the modern day remake where you just take an old US post do it again a couple years later that happens throughout cinema where a foreign film gets an English language remake so not remake in the United States for every couple years we reboot alright this one is for you Adam Iloff with a super chat the third person will be the surprising return of Jimmy Dorr or Dave Rubin yeah also for you the emo dragon Binder give me your best Bonesaw is ready oh boy let me um I gotta do it to do a mantra man I gotta get into the yeah Bonesaw is ready I don't know why I can't get the gruffness tonight I think it's cause my voice is already getting shot from 4 hours now I mean having no reference point I thought that was amazing so um okay this one's for me Kowalski with the 199 the b-hole the b-hole is a loophole in the eyes of the lord calling it a b-hole just does not Kowalski just as the fucking bangers um let's see here I'm pretty sure this is one that was for David that he read off but I'll just put it up here just in case um let's see here also for David bonus hole Matt this one's for you zero PE with the super chat bonus holes for everyone we all need a place to put our junk you all are on fire tonight I think what you're looking for is glory the most amazing element of the discourse that came about this week is this fucking term holy shit which has gotten more play than it ever has gotten I assure you that um okay so this one's for me 199 from zero PE thank y'all for not holding back on TYT's BS um thank you you know I feel like we were charitable so we don't have to have to keep the lips on anymore um oh god uh this one's for you Alexander the super jet jenki's still tweeting up a storm and just compared Benny to jimmy door what oh my god face somebody take his phone covering eyes this trans guy thanks you for hashtag bonus hole I gotta he's compared to Benny to jimmy please tell me that this is not true I don't even make sense in this context um let's see oh yep yep I've lived through this movie many times and this is always my favorite part jimmy door fans and Sam Harris fans and sargon of akad fans all thought we were dying because we disagreed with them we have uh we had 450 million views last month yeah you really got us okay so maybe maybe not a direct like you're the jimmy door okay okay and unless I'm missing it but okay it's I always think it's a very it's a very lame thing to bring up how popular your content is when people are talking about a topic that is not that I mean I tweeted tweet so maybe he was replying directly to that but clearly I wouldn't even respond to that person because there's clearly a broader more important issue people are actually going at you at the very least it's deflection right and people are calling you out because you're popular we know you're popular that's what you know that's why we we we want you to do better whatever I don't um so lots and lots of members for you there are like nine or ten it's getting wicked now so we're at the point of the night and I'm 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dude but he calls everyone dude um there okay there are some people who use who just call everyone dude actually have a friend in real life that calls everyone uh bro um I've I've I've been someone who does that and um yeah I can I can speak directly to this actually because I've I've noticed this is years ago now probably like at least like five years ago now but I would notice I would say this uh to to trans people I I I know in real life and um you know I quickly realized that you know are they cool with it I don't know so I had to sort of just stop myself unless I was told otherwise I would just have to stop myself when I was about to say it and and and you know little by little I would get myself out of the habit of calling everybody dude and I think it's fine to call everybody dude if everybody is fine with it but you know you shouldn't go up to someone you don't know and you know they're trans person and call them dude because you don't know if they're friends with you you can call them dude that doesn't matter yeah with it yeah the context matters and for me uh I I when I was younger I would say dude almost as like a verbal tick like you know how we'll say you know or you know um I would say dude as like you know if I pause like and dude like um and that's what I would do sometimes yeah cis woman corrected me like I had a co-worker she's like I'm not a dude I'm a lady I'm like oh sorry yeah like I'm trying to use it in a non-gendered way but they just didn't like it so I kind of like had to get out of that habit um but yeah it just it just depends on your friend circle you know if you have friends that don't care it you know then it's not a problem it just people don't like it don't say it um this one is like Mike actually Mike actually broke out into that Aro Smith song when his co-worker said I'm not a dude I'm a lady hahahaha hahahaha I mean that's wrong she might have said something else other than lady but I'm pretty sure she said lady like I'm not a dude or something like you know I'm paraphrasing but yeah yeah there's a good opportunity for that song regardless right I mean I think I think um you know I don't know the context that the amazing atheist or whoever put said this in but generally I think it's totally fine as long as it's totally fine with whoever you're saying it to um and if they especially if they you say it and they say that they don't want to be called that then you should most definitely stop if they explicitly say no about that exactly um this one is for you um I of the river the gender ideology BS has crossed the language barrier I see more and more of it appear in Quebec media and it's honestly scary gender ideology is that I think hahahaha that's my best French accent hahahaha it doesn't mean you say what do you mean would you say this cease I don't call me cease hahahaha okay that's good don't call me cease okay so this one is for me Jeter with 40 rupees I believe right uh Cenk helped Mike re-monetize Cenk bad in three weeks um let me be very clear when I said that TYT helped me um their TYT's rep um Aaron he's the one who helped me um he represents all the network partners and he represents TYT um so and by the way I criticized Cenk before that so I just um yeah yeah Cenk bad in three weeks though for sure um this one nope that was David Dills okay so we've got three members for you oh here we go Jacqueline Terrell Pitchforks Dragon and Logan Hill thank you all so much for becoming YouTube members and a super chat uh check mark verified account which I uh love as a user name how do I get verified on threads alright so here's what you do you go on to uh to instagram and you pay meta $15 a month and you get your check mark on threads as well yes seriously um however uh meta is still unlike twitter meta is still verifying users who apply and they deem as you know uh how the old twitter verification worked they deem that you are somebody who could be impersonated and you are um you know uh notable enough they will still give them for free uh on instagram which would then get you on threads but most of the people you see on there who have it and aren't notable they have it because they're paying $15 a month okay I do not know and it doesn't get you that doesn't get you verified on facebook as well so if you want the if you want all the facebook all the meta verifications that it's gonna cost you 30 bucks a month I'll pass um okay um okay so we have $5 super chat for me from danable lector thank you so much I was disappointed when door changed and recall an agent calling on his grift sad to see them now do the same essentially um well let's hope that they stop themselves before they go full door um but I mean door was always kind of a dumbass and we tolerated him until he became too intolerable for some of us um let's see here $199 for me from the programming uh or no this was maybe for David dole have you guys seen Jenks last to about any yeah that pissed me off um let's see here $5 from narrator for me uh imagine a group of leftist starting a Kickstarter to buy twitter and make it the first internationally democratically owned and run social media um if we can raise enough money to purchase twitter I think that that money would be better used on something else besides purchasing also I think I think if every leftist in the world including Hassan uh was to get together I don't think we would have even one billion dollars let alone four billion yeah yeah I don't even think we would hit uh a hundred billion dollars I don't even think we'd hit a million dollars well I think Hassan alone would he if if he so chooses yeah yeah um okay so I have a new member for me November DeMark thank you so much really appreciate that welcome um let's see $5 for me from Ignor Husky thank you so much anyone love punk went to a punk show and saw an awesome ska punk band called Los Angeles mall hublados y'all should check them out uh that's more of a they're called low low small hublados you said Los Angeles you automatically said okay okay okay I should have connected the dots there anyone love punk are you new here Ignor now thank you for the recommend I actually am not familiar with that band I'll check them out I'm gonna google right now alrighty so uh two members for me we have Bruce Allen Ross thank you Bruce Allen Ross uh and Stoic Jeff welcome I believe that's a member of you too really nice um we have let's see here okay another one for me uh Ignor Husky another $5 thank you so much also have some videos uploaded of the house show where uh low small hublados played um another good band to check out is the last responders and MDC cheers so uh two other recommendations for you I I do know MDC if they're talking about the same MDC that I know of and by the way MDC uh the band I'm thinking of the MDC stands for millions of dead cops oh shit um okay so this one is for you uh Pinkerbell with a super chat TYT cultivated an audience around media literacy and critique then they get mad when that lens of analysis is turned on them yeah um $2 for me from misty Catherine uh right now Jack attacking Benny on Twitter for quitting um misty looks familiar at maybe she sent another one uh David Dole so I might have read this but yeah um we did see that and yeah it's yeah you know my thoughts on it uh $5 from uh John Moore for me great show tonight Katie is the best thank you so much yeah I love meeting all the new people on Letters Mafia uh most of the guests uh actually maybe all of them so far have been introduced to us from uh Lance and Ole so yeah they they've done a great job um Lance is really good at knowing all the various creators he has a ton of connections Ole is really good at bringing uh you know like the creators who come out of like uh Black Twitter and I guess you know Black YouTube I guess you could call it cause I'm not familiar with the a lot of creators Lance or Ole bring to the table cause they're just not in our wheelhouse which is awesome I'm learning about whole new like communities on all these different platforms when uh either of them bring a suggestion yeah it's it's it's so nice to uh you know uplift voices of people um who don't have as big of platforms or even if they do just like getting to know that like Jesse gender is huge uh but I never had a chance to like stream with her so um yeah like meeting new person every every time I have a guest is great um let me see here uh this is $5 for me from Sally Thompson well by the time you got to my earlier super chat it got late here in beautiful Portland but uh still love you and Matt still here Sally thank you so much yes I love Portland and is I just that's my home uh we've got another member for you Matt oh uh Sergeant Vowell thank you so much for becoming a member on my youtube channel really appreciate it all right $5 I think you might be the last to subscribe on the first uh day of the channel membership so thank you all all of you really I appreciate it so much uh you know you got me that incentive from youtube which is a slam dunk it's it's free money like that free real estate meme it's free money uh this one is for you uh narrator with a super chat uh without googling why do you think the first chainsaw was invented um to give Leatherface something to murder his victim as well is that okay correct um hmm I would say it was invented to uh cut down trees that's probably wrong otherwise you because that's the obvious answer but I mean maybe it's a trick question right where they want us to overthink it um apparently surgery surgery oh that's horrifying I I don't like that I know that um okay so we have this one is from me from narrator with 5 dot narrator thank you sent in so many super chats really appreciate you uh which right winger do you think has the best chance of being turned or redeemable left his best good night hmm I mean there's a financial incentive there which is why you don't really see it happen very very often um I don't know honestly that's a really tough question I guess I if I had to really guess it'd be one of the uh marginalized conservatives um maybe like a trans conservative um I don't want to say blur white because she might be too far gone but she kind of went through this phase where she was seemingly shifting and kind of exposing disingenuous actors on the right I mean you can't be part of a movement where they hate your community so if I had to guess it'd probably be like a gay or um or trans um conservative but the most likely option is none of them will turn um okay so yeah I don't really want to answer that question because I don't feel like um uh giving anyone that sort of uh a fictional benefit of the day they don't deserve the grace I mean I would love to see it I mean there's a few people who come to mind but I'm not going to go on the record because I'm most likely not going to happen I don't want to put any like false hope out there or make it seem like I view them as um you know better than others um true yeah um okay so this is $2 for we got a couple for me in a row okay so uh $2 for me from uh Dapperize uh what's your favorite NES or SNES game soundtrack oh without question it's Donkey Kong Country that uh lives in my head rent free also Super Mario World too that one is uh that's iconic um $10 Super Chat from Derrick Peterson do you uh thank you so much Derrick by the way do you think either Jank or Anna or Anna or Jank sorry I read the backwards but it doesn't matter will eventually be one of the why I left the left types um I'm not sure um I mean it's it's certainly within the realm of possibility but um I hope not um another one for me Andy boom with $10 here's a Super from Mike just to break things up thank you Andy really appreciate that um you all have the same thought because I've got a couple in a row um let's see uh Patrick P Roy Ferreria with $5 Canadian thoughts on the Twitter collapse I was happy to see Twitter crumble but sad to see threads replace it short form social media is a bane on society um yeah at this point I I'm willing to take anything over Twitter um so yeah I have I have actually a video about the uh lawsuit threat from Elon Musk that I filmed it hasn't been edited it'll go up sometime tomorrow um so be on the lookout for that I'm still holding out hope that um uh Elon's investors force him to sell oh god that would be great because uh I don't I don't you know these alternatives all seem interesting and good in their own right but they don't seem like the replacement they seem like just an additional another platform to use um none of them are replicating Twitter's most important feature which is the ability to share real-time breaking news right the public none of them are made for that yet um they're too small too insulated to walled um and Twitter still has that uh it's just that you can't use it for that purpose right now because of the policies that its owner is uh subjecting it to yeah um okay a couple more for me here we have Candice DL uh who became a member thank you so much uh really appreciate that welcome uh and oh my goodness massive massive fucking super chat holy shit bold action gamer thank you so much I'm noticing a bio shock a big daddy in your um in your profile pic I love that and thank you that is so incredibly kind I wanted to call into majority report sometime to share my story about growing up with my mom who hated my ethnicity Mexican because of the divorce uh she expressed nothing but contempt for them I wanted to ask is this a common occurrence thank you for what you do I honestly can't speak to this like how frequent it is um but like just from my personal experience I have family members who have been married to interracial partners um and that did not end in racism um and so it's it's weird right um that that's kind of the take away it this kind of goes back to what we talked about earlier in the stream where it's like if you have a bad experience with like one gay person or like a trans person then you extrapolate and generalize so like you know your mom perhaps um you know because of the divorce you decided to extrapolate irrationally so that's really sad though um I'm sorry that you had that experience I here's what I will say I would recommend you calling into majority report because odds are if somebody else has had the same experience and I mean it has happened to other people it'd be really cathartic to hear your story so yeah uh thank you for sharing uh I would recommend for sure calling uh because I would love to hear that personally or call into bender show too because bender also does call in so yeah that'd be really interesting I'd like to hear more about that just to get some additional context because I find that really sad um okay we have another from uh for me from November to mark with ten dollars I just found humanist report two weeks ago no kidding and I'm so stoked to find that there's a group live streams thank you for all you do hey that is awesome I love to hear things like that um you know it feels like I've been in this for so long so the audience that I have now is as big as it's ever gonna get but the fact that more people are still finding and finding the leftist mafia love it I love hearing stuff like that it is crazy that we're like in such a bubble in like the political streamer space that it's like oh my god even when like people like find like the majority report or something it's like to me I'm like oh my god like that's crazy but like it makes sense that the vast majority of people do not know about our shows because it reflects in our subscriber base even majority report which has over a million subscriptions obviously there's a lot more than a million people on this earth mm-hmm yeah yeah yeah it is weird to think about for sure got a lot bigger audiences uh potentially so we're still growing baby um okay we've got a couple of super chats for you all right ricks americana started watching before the Hollywood Bowl concert heading back out now and the hardest working dudes in shot shots are still working are you talking about what uh I'm so tired I have no idea what you're talking about tell about us I have no idea uh thank you though I appreciate it another one for you uh D Waffle bakers with a super chat Matt is today the day for the youtube incentive yes today is the day I started for the youtube incentive but I should say that you know if you're waiting for a payday or something the I've already passed the incentive but if you want to get involved in being like part of that opening membership group who helps get me the incentive you have until the end of the the month to become a subscriber obviously I want the youtube membership to become something well beyond just this month for the incentive I'm going to obviously roll out different bonuses for youtube members as well um so if you would like to join please feel free to do so I appreciate it you've got to do some monthly zoom calls like I do they are very fun and getting to like meet the meet the viewers face to face is super cool all right and again if you prefer patreon you could still go there to patreon.com slash map bender I'm not closing that just you know I have a lot of people on patreon but a lot of people are also requesting that they prefer youtube just like some people prefer doing the twitch prime or some people can pay the twitch subscriptions which you know if you prefer going through that that's fine with me too whatever makes things easier for you I was under the uh perception that the easiest best thing to do was to send everyone to one channel and I was aiming for that to be the patreon for the longest time but it's pretty clear that people don't share that they want many different options for whatever works best for them which I'm also happy to oblige yeah youtube's convenient on that note though we've got a couple more members for you we got two so this one is for you I'm sorry I'm mispronouncing your last name but I think that's right thank you so much and L.M. Morrison thank you so much for becoming members and one for me Jen I appreciate that okay so we're down to two more super chat okay there's more so they keep coming let's see if we can beat this let's see if we can finish reading these where anyone else sends more let's do this let's see let's see oh my god okay this one's for me Matt Claremont with five dollars it's all right to tell me what you think about me I won't try to hold it against you Matt we think you're amazing sounds like you're reciting lyrics to the song honestly well nevertheless Matt we've got two dollars for me from Timber Dan thank you so much thanks for all you do keep it up Timber Dan really appreciate that thank you we've got a super chat for you D Waffle Bakers another super chat say no more follow with a yep day Waffle Bakers became a YouTube member thank you so much that was a fun little back and forth interaction I enjoyed that and was that for me too? that's for you too wow the Loomer 6-6 I was going to add another 6 there but the Loomer 6-6 thank you so much for becoming a YouTube member okay so we have a super chat for you Scott 1994 I need to be stoned more often often that's true for all of us but I have too much anxiety to smoke but okay so let's see here what I noticed is all the late night Matt Bender streamers are migrating over to leftist mafia and these are getting these are getting I think this is we're like at four hours I want to say oh my goodness you all are so kind though okay this one's for me tungsten 10 with 499 we started out as Mike's subscriber before I heard of majority report or 2ID that's interesting those outros are fire but I wish some of them weren't like the Peterson grandma I apologize for that did you say we're over 4 hours now we're about to hit 5 hours my friend are you fucking kidding me oh my god Lance and Ole are going to see the bottom be like what the fuck cause Lance left like how many hours to go like 2 hours ago I think oh my god yeah for those who are watching this isn't a super chat but ponderosapien over on twitch just commented shortest Matt Bender stream okay so here is a question for you Mark Anthony Centeno with a $20 super chat what's your schedule as it pertains to your live streams so usually it was Tuesday night doomed live stream and then Thursday would be majority report stream during the day left this mafia stream at night and then on Sunday I would drop the scam economy premiere but in the past couple of months the schedule has been a little bit hectic cause my kids are now off from school and the scam economy scheduling with me just rejiggering the show a little bit to broaden it so it's not just crypto right now it's a little bit all over the place but you know that there will definitely be at least one live stream most likely Monday Tuesday or Wednesday usually Tuesday still though and then left this mafia majority report on Thursday and a scam economy episode randomly scattered and I'm hoping that you know post August the schedule is back to it being a more routine thing but definitely subscribe to the channel I mean subscribe like not even pay just hit the subscribe button hit that bell notification so you will receive any notification when I'm about to go live cause I do I usually just don't go live straight away I put it up so people will get that notification that like stream starts in an hour stream starts in 30 minutes stream starts what you just reminded me I forgot to tweet about our stream I usually tweet out the link with the guests I did not do that I did and I gotta say I think you had your biggest you had your biggest at least for leftist mafia stream so you get like 850 or something like that viewers at peak I think tonight stream yeah wow that's really cool okay so yeah this one is for you actually Ziggy Lynch I posted the discord of Benny and the MR discord and someone replied please let this discourse die that felt so hurtful I left the server thanks for discussing the MR the MR audience is really big so if it's just one person that said that I would you know I wouldn't be surprised if they receive shit from other people but don't let that cause if you watch the show I mean you know Emma, Sam Mattleck Bradley and then when me and Brandon Sudden are on it's very clear where we stand on this so don't let one random viewer on a show that has over a million subscribers on YouTube you know make you feel a certain way just ignore them if it was a broader thing with multiple people and it was on the regular then that's a real problem and something should be done one person they're probably already dealt with and if they weren't I'm sure if you raised it with the mods they would do something yeah another one for you I have the river you need to practice your French accent some more and we've got another member for you Daniel Meeker becoming YouTube member thank you so much and I should say that Mark and Ziggy who dropped those super chats they were both first time super chatters I appreciate it oh nice and another super chat Gabriel Gorski I really appreciate the work you do all of you thank you so much Gabriel I appreciate you saying that yeah this one is from me $3 from Presto Wing thank you so much counter your remixes always crack me up Mike thank you so much okay I do see a little doggie you know I've got a point at the doggies cute doggie thank you Presto and then we have $1 from Timber Dan no message maybe it's a super sticker let me double check really quick that is not a super sticker well thank you so much I have a member Donald James X thank you so much and we have one for me $5 Australian is your guy good day Mike hey good day to you mate and last but not least is your guy to me says good day Matt hey is your guy that's John from Australia regular caller into my show always brings the great takes when it comes to like issues and crypto issues always look forward to his calls okay so far the last one this is for you Bender Matt Claremont only $2 for the leftist mafia 24 hours let's go chat I don't know but maybe we should actually consider that one day where like we take over for each other you know maybe that would be something we could do but we would have to think of like some sort of fundraising drive for that randomly do it yeah there's got to be like a charity incentive or something like that right yeah like we are doing Matt the Matt Bender human fund no for real though you're right Lance has that charity stream coming up next Saturday right yeah yeah I still don't know if I'll be able to I have to let him know hectic couple of months with the summer and the kids being off but I'm gonna figure it out yeah it's a busy time for all of us but yeah I'll be there for sure I won't be able to stay for the whole thing but I will be there regardless and yeah well folks that's it so really appreciate you all I can't believe we went so long but we will see you all next week the official stream yard time 4 hours and 50 minutes oh ok I am seeing that this is the longest I mean it's post episodes it's not like you know the main show but holy shit well anyways I still got work to do so I will see you all next week what time is it over there for you it's not even tomorrow yet you're living in Thursday still right it's still Thursday for sure I've got a lot of it's 1.30 am here so hahaha everyone I just want to thank you all for helping me with the youtube incentive with the memberships and obviously it won't stop there I'm gonna take the youtube membership stuff very seriously with bonus stuff thinking about what to do you already got the emojis which I think youtube is gonna unlock more for me now because I have enough members for them to do that and you know other fun stuff in the works probably gonna do the member only live stream chats here and there like Mike said to the zoom calls scheduling and when to do that stuff of course the patreon members will be invited as well might be harder to invite the twitch people but I'll figure out if that's possible because twitch doesn't give you much on them yeah that is hard yeah but yeah I'm looking forward to all this stuff that we're gonna do with yeah youtube as emotes ponderos recipient absolutely alright everyone take care youtube.com slash the humanist report youtube.com slash Matt Binder Mark DeRue with a last second under the wire joining my channel as a member thank you so much Mark I'm gonna raid someone random right now on twitch are you gonna do the same I'm gonna raid Amy C3 alright Amy hold on let me let me pull the we'll do it at the same time because that's always fun alright you you got it going I'm queuing it up I can't click it yet alright alright 1, 2, 3 wait hold on I'm pressing the star raid it takes those couple of seconds for me I was just queuing up in general and away oh I guess 1 2, 3 go take care