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The man in the miss the left talk 10 it's 11 11 can't wait to get the residuals on this all right he's getting multi-language dubbing rates now oh yeah that's right boom yes well we're here to talk about home voiceover studios you know it's definitely a niche but there's so much to it that we just keep coming up with things to talk about yeah and but the most important thing you need to remember is that you have to have professionals get your studio set up you can look you can go on Facebook you can go on LinkedIn you can go to all these places and ask questions and get 10,000 different answers all of which George and I will tell you are probably wrong unless the people who listen to us because we've worked you know everybody's an expert in one studio their own right except us too and there's some really great names out there who are really great experts in their own studios that are very smart and they know what they're talking about but they're still really know their own studio really really well they're not in your closet yeah you know they don't they don't understand a lot of engineers who say well yeah you gotta get this and you have to have this that's what they use yeah they've spent 25 years learning how to use all this stuff and then they expect you to learn it overnight doesn't work that way no there's a simple way to do it we've got the formula we know we know what it's supposed to sound like what it's supposed to sound like whistle there's a way it's supposed to sound and getting there isn't as hard as you think just a number of different different formulaic things that we know how to go through to customize it to your space and what you can't go wrong look you two experts like us you really can't go wrong so if you want to work with George which lots of people do you go over to his very extensive website george the dot tech tech if you want to work with me that's where you're gonna find me you're also gonna find a whole team of folks who a huge team you've got no specialists why are we not only specialists but we can only be one person at one time right so I've got back up of a lot of great folks and I have folks who also do on-demand support which to me is really one of the best services we offer because when you have a gig that you might lose because oh my gosh I didn't realize that my ports not mapped or oh my gosh I didn't know this happened or holy cow this device rebooted and it won't you know whatever it is we do have 9-1-1 support now so and there's a deep bench of folks including Dan who might in it answer that call and help get you back online so that's that's something I'm really proud of among all the things that we do at George the dot tech but if you just want to go right to the source talk directly to the mustache you want to go to home voiceover studio dot com yes yeah and and I've got a number of things I can do for you number one if you got a problem with your audio I got to hear it I keep getting people saying I got a buzz I got a click I've got this guy one last week it was somebody's phone why does it oh your phone is right we were saying that we wanted to do sort of a stump the chump did you was that something that came up but what didn't we say that it was a phone noise it was a phone noise and so we solved it of course it was right what are you gonna do okay it was I'm like all you run you run through your scenarios in your mind okay could be this could be that what it is it's the phone was the person's phone because this afternoon I was working with some stuff and had my phone up close to these monitors monitors are like yeah I'm like it's the phone there's a lot of RF that comes off of that yeah those they're very sensitive monitors and they'll hear that okay you figured that out you got the guy back to work and that's because you are the home studio master exactly and but I also have my service of the specimen collection cup which is what I'm getting to and that is a great service you click on the specimen collection cup at my my website takes you to a drop box explain to me and it's really important to tell me what microphone you're using what software you're using what computer you're using how are you set up because they'll you know someone will send me read and I want it raw because people will send me processed how does this sound well it sounds like crap because you don't know how to process this stuff you know it's like having processing doesn't mean you have to use it it's as simple as that and if you don't know how to use it don't as I always say you know how you something don't use it you know it's pretty simple or if you don't know what it did turn it off right if you turn something on or add something and you don't know what it did turn it off because probably it did something that somebody else is gonna hear and oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I hear people running noise gates I'm not running a noise gate yeah I can see you're running a noise you can tell you can see you can hear it anyway go over to a home voiceover studio calm and I'll be happy to work with you talk to anybody that's worked with me they'll tell you I'm even friendlier than that because I'll help you as a voice actor I can also give you lots of advice and how to succeed in this business by trying a lot there's a lot to it anyway you've got your tech update this week and there's been lots of software issues in the past week so give us the lowdown what do you want the bad news or the good news first always go with the bad news okay bad news first alright well the first bad news that really threw people for a loop in the last couple weeks was audacity dropped a new version 3.4 like a bomb yeah like a bomb you know 3.3.3 maybe was the previous version does that sound right to you sound like that and it was working fine it was not there was really nothing wrong with it and that's because that was the point 3 that was the point x version of point 3 right so it had several repairs well point 4 dropped and well there was some pretty serious issues and I think the main one was surround was around recording in 24-bit if you tried to record in 24-bit you had what happened what happened nothing it would know it was oh the level wouldn't the level just peg you would just peg like that just garbage right so there was a workaround but it was really it you know you had to mess around with the system so they did it seems like they're more rapidly responding to bugs now and rolling out fixes faster so they within a week or two they had 3.4.1 and then that seemed to fix it for some issues and other issues still persisted so there's a 3.4.2 coming any day now says Paul Lysimeli for I'm gonna say his name right what I'm gonna say his name see the right name George I'm gonna see if I get his right name while we're here chatting yeah well Paul like a melee it's a Lysimeli or Lycameli L-I-C-A-M-E-L-I sorry Paul yeah he's ruining your name but anyway he is he's a contributor on the Audacity voiceover users group on Facebook that's where I was reading which is one of the one of the places to get your help with Audacity stuff and he is one of the very very long time contributors and developers of Audacity so he knows so anyway 3.4.2 is coming sometime soon but the bottom line is if you're on 3.3.3 or another earlier version and it's working great do not upgrade it yeah I upgraded today because I'm like oh maybe they fixed it because there's a fix in there put it in there hit record nothing oh it just didn't even roll okay yeah so it's still they're still working out the kinks on that one now on the on the Adobe side Adobe audition released 24 point oh and the way Adobe's been releasing things lately at least an Adobe audition is they just they're on this annual release schedule they do it every year same time of year whether there's something new or not and this is any difference there's really been no difference at all of any real material change in the last three or four years so if you're on 21 or 22 ain't missing nothing if it's working today don't upgrade it but anyway 24.0 did come out no new features but the bug lists the bug fixes include sometimes silence was added at the beginning and end during an mp3 export that would stink that's fixed apparently in 24.0 fixed the destination is full or no longer available error which would also really suck you're trying to save a p3 I've had that one it's that's a reboot and redirect and that apparently is that hopefully is fixed in 24.0 and improved scrolling with the track pad in a waveform and multi-track and in the waveform and in the multi-track view so better scrolling we get used to how software scrolls when we scroll back and forth it's twisted wave is really smooth when it's not smooth it's annoying so apparently that's fixed so those aren't those aren't really minor things those are some pretty important fixes but those are in 24.0 now waves plugins which I have quite a bit of now training with them I've had Mike Pearson Adams from waves teaching some webinars for us at George the tech and I just got to recently chat with him on the pro audio suite my geekier podcast hyper geeky hyper geeky podcast and we found out that clarity which you've probably heard of by now it's been out a year and a half a very powerful noise reduction tool has a cousin now or a brother called D reverb so there's another D reverberating D reverberating tool out there that is using the machine learning method of removing reverb which basically means that they have a huge huge huge database of audio that's been analyzed in different situations where they go this is voice and this is not voice but now focusing on the reverb part not the noise part so that is out and I finally had a reason to try it out I was helping a voice a lot of voice actors per se but a television personality I'm gonna play his audio and then see if anybody recognizes his audio because you've probably heard it the guys done a lot of television so we'll see if you know the sound so so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna play an initial dry sample of the audio that was sent to me this is after treating the room by the way so he's moved into a new home with them a pretty large office space it's got a high ceiling it's pretty long and so we did acoustically treat it we put a whole bunch I didn't we I just came up with a design and then we had his installer put everything in right and it was like a it's a it's a delicate balance between making it still look like someone's nice home office and making it look like a recording studio we still wanted to look like an office so we didn't go too crazy there's still a bit of empty space right so it's a little bit well slightly reverberate let's see if you guys can hear this maybe that's why CBS Sunday Morning profiled artist Ed Rushe in 1982 and again in 2011 and a third time today okay so I played that sample back and you can hear a bit of the room around him and he's also using at the moment of this recording a large diaphragm condenser mic like a VO mic so it's a mic that hears a lot of things around you and he's in a big space so I wanted to make a little processing chain for him and I wanted it to have as little color or modification of the voice as possible but dry up that reverb so I tried first the isotope RX 10 version then I tried the waves clarity VX version the two are subtle enough that I don't think you guys are going to make up the differences they're subtle but the clarity D reverb was pretty impressive enough to impress him enough to use it now and that's what this sounded like and a third time today Glenn Lowry is the director of New York's Museum of Modern Art which is presenting the biggest Rushe show ever it's not dead dry it's not like you're in a little tiny booth sound right but it did soak up a lot more of that room ambience that you can you can adjust it and do it is non-destructively and just yeah there's a knob you can turn it you can add more you can take away so in that sample I'm using I think maybe I think like a 70% out of a 70 out of a hundred pretty high setting and I was really happy with how it didn't it didn't degrade the audio quality you know a lot of people doing voiceover for TV and radio that are they don't always use a high quality side address condenser mic they often will use a dynamic right and it won't expose as many flaws in the room he's in a big empty room with not a lot in it it's a little bit Spartan and using a I think he's using a warm audio something WA 47 it's a high quality condenser and it here's a lot more so there you go there's in a comparison hopefully you guys could make that out on YouTube and I was really happy that in the end we didn't have to just keep throwing more panels up you know I could have said well let's put ten more panels up and yeah we could keep soaking it down more and more and more more but in this case the room still feels good it still looks nice his wife doesn't you know throw up in her mouth when she walks in you know important things and and now we can get a sound that that is that he's happy with and that's really important well let's talk about that for a second because I mean we're always talking about how one of the things we do one of the most important things we do when you know working with somebody and building a studio for them is you know to me everything is physical you know you try to create as dead a room as possible you know and as little sound coming in but as we've explained that's literally impossible in a home you know you've got furnace refrigerator amazing how many times refrigerator is in there yeah all sorts of movement that's going on in the house something you know construction next door yeah that one a few times we floorers and the neighbors stuff and people kids playing basketball next door yeah sometimes you just have to have something that's going to take it out without affecting your voice and you're you think that we're getting to that point now where we can do that transparently far more transparently than we used to right you know by using these tools we're not creating weird artifacts where you sound like a robot right or you sound like you're underwater or whatever it's it's missing little frequencies here in there yeah yeah yeah so at the moment waves kind of has a little bit of a head start I think over isotope in terms of using these machine learning models I can you can guarantee that isotope is working on their take on this kind of machine learning stuff you can it's table stakes now folks I mean there are so many plugins and little applications some free some not that will remove reverb and noise it's it's becoming way more common but just kind of cool to hear how well that actually worked and I'll be doing interview with this person later so at that point I'll reveal exactly who it is but it was really cool to get to work with someone who does a lot of on-camera appearances and but still also runs a podcast both so cool it was really neat anyway let's move on to your topic of discussion yeah you know I get this a lot from people people who are as we were saying are in different various size rooms and you know if they're doing animation or they're doing gaming it's amazing how many different genres of material there are available but if you're if you're working from home and a lot of us are I'd say the majority of us are you have to learn how not to over modulate and what over modulation is is when you know you peg it in the red and it stays there and essentially what you're doing is you are over modulating and it distorts now there's new there's new technology coming along that can prevent that takes a little while to figure out how to work it with that particular microphones working in 32 like a 32-bit float thing yeah right but not everybody has that and most people don't yeah I know I presented you know where we've been recommending this great mic the the new road wrote NT one fifth generation which really just continues to blow our minds about what a great mic this is especially for the price which is a deal and a half 240 yeah and they know I forget to mention that it came out with the NT one so I don't know special edition yeah which doesn't have the USB but they've painted them in a bunch of fun colors because they had a lot of them sitting around painted well how are we gonna move these make a panel so if you want a fun-looking NT one you can get that anyway yeah great but no great microphone but how do you not over modulate and there's two ways and the character stuff especially right especially on character stuff I know dynamics yeah Pat freely used to have this great thing you talk about you know if you're you know if you don't want to over modulate and if you're yelling you don't yell in somebody's ear unless you're really trying to torture them like some people I know but you know his thing was you know he would he would talk about how I'd say you got a commercial where your dad's talking to girls upstairs like you turn your head and you go hey what are you girls doing up there what does it sound like it sounds like you're hitting the mic it sounds like you are talking up the stairs there's the theater of the mind if you're a ninja in a video game and you're cutting off somebody's head you don't do it right into the mic unless you turn away or you back way off and then watch the levels now the other way is writing the game which requires you to have your interface right in front of you like say if you have a focus right to why to or a solo or something like that you got that game dial and of course I'm always telling you always in the green always in the yellow maybe an occasional flash of red and there it goes and start to go into the orange transient a quickie yeah right quick in the red is okay that's fine because you can control that you know it's it's not gonna probably hear that no and you're not a more transient or spiky right as opposed to really loud which starts to distort right so what you need to do is learn how to adjust your input volume and that requires writing the game now sometimes if someone's doing a video game and they'll have lots of lines that are loud and there's lots of lines that are more conversational do they break them up that way for you they don't unfortunately think they would but it's a good idea to do that yourself do it yourself do the soft stuff first then do the loud stuff because you do the loud stuff first you might wear your voice out right before you get to the loud stuff will change the way your voice sounds on the soft stuff because you've just tired your voice out exactly so use your voice normally yeah and learn what your conversational setting is and on a 2i2 or any interface of that matter you take a sharpie and you go this is my conversational level and you mark it and then you know you're coming in it happens with audiobooks too and and gaming and animation where you're gonna be a little bit louder test what you know learn what distances are right and learn how loud you really are doing specific characters test it out first and go this is the setting for being a ninja yeah you know and that's mark that and so as you're writing the game it's like okay I'm coming to this turn it down and that's how you do that it sounds simple you got to learn to listen and you have to look and you have to understand what the waveform is supposed to look like you don't want the waveform going above zero yeah I really don't want it going above minus three yeah and you definitely don't want to like you know we use the word right in the game because back in the classical engineering days the engineer might actually control the level while you're recording right and that's doing it dynamically over time that's much more difficult but to make a like a preset almost in your brain or like you said with the pen right this is my softer read this is my louder read you don't want to have like seven or eight different steps in between you're never gonna keep track of it all right you're never gonna get it right just have two settings that you know work for those two styles and you'll be in good shape also I've had a few clients use the pad switch to their advantage oh that's a good idea as well because if you're Mike has a easy to reach pad switch not all and do minus 20 or minus 10 DB I can't I mean gosh I don't know if you're doing some really crazy loud stuff you might need 20 right a lot of mics have like a 10 right and that seems to be enough for most people like in audiobooks right now audiobooks you don't really yell right video games you do right right yeah video games is realism audiobooks is more it's a little more theater you don't you don't fully on full on screen when you scream it's it's a theater scream or whatever you don't go all out so 10 DB seems to work fine and and the problem with like the audio technique is the mic is a little switch is like it's like you need like a pen and it's very hard to see but like the Mojave I don't know if this one has anything yeah some mics do some of them have that mic switch that switch very obvious where you can see it and you can flick it there that one doesn't have it but some mics have those actually none of the none of the mics we are using tonight have a pad switch folks isn't that interesting they can't the caddy 100 s does that's right it does and the 80 the 80 not the 20 the 80 2035 does 2035 it's kind of hard to see it the AKG's all have a very clearly labeled switch there's a couple others you know because I've been dealing with this a lot lately yeah why can't I get a level okay what are you oh it's an NT1 or what an NT1 a which does have that mm-hmm and it's a matter of NT 1000 maybe it might be the one and the 2000 there's a bunch of different mics that have that yeah many many times they'll go which mic model is that I know I literally will say what Mike is it and I Google it find a picture of it like where's a picture of the back of the mic okay there's the switch where do you have that set oh I've got it set to minus something rather all right put it back to zero oh it's amazing yeah you have your level back miss set it is often miss set right yeah yeah yeah so there's another way to do it that's right anyway if you've got a question for us throw it in the chat room I'm sure you have like there are a billion questions popping out of your head right now this is your last chance last chance 2023 for 20 for the rest of the year if you want to answer get your question answered now's the time to do it Jeff Holman will write it down or type it in or send up smoke sniggles or something like that sniggles sniggles yeah yes but a little bit of mouth has been working quite as well that's all right you can call me on all my I'm careful with you you're you're not actually a 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chat or conferencing thing you're gonna be kind of shocked at the fidelity and the quality that you get over Source Connect it is quite startling and that is why the pros use it so if you want to become more oriented with it and get used to how it functions I would recommend instead of just getting a demo just go over to Source-Elements.com and actually sign up for your Source Connect service you can get it as a subscription and get started that way you'll actually have their support you can only get the support for free if it's on a subscription so we recommend that you do that and that way you have their excellent support it's award winning support by the way so anyway that's it that's it no more Source Elements for this year thank you Source Elements for yeah just use it then we we really appreciate Source Elements for supporting us all these years let's get on to the last spot and then into your questions right after this well hey there it's David H. Lawrence with VO Heroes and wouldn't it be cool if there was a very simple tool drag-and-drop tool that would guarantee that the audio you need to upload to ACX or any other audiobook platform is perfectly set up in terms of the tech standards the root mean square normalization the peak normalization the noise floor guess what there is and I want you to have it absolutely free it's called Audio Cupcake and you can find it at audiocupcake.com I helped create this software it was built to my specs and my standards for when I do audiobooks and I know it's gonna work for you now it's only available for Macintosh because you Windows users you have the ability to use other tools that work for you but in this case you edit your final raw WAV file for a chapter you drop it on audio cupcake and outcomes the 192k mono mp3 file you can upload immediately that's audio cupcake.com audio cupcake.com I hope you love it hi this is Bill Farmer and you are watching voiceover body shop it's great and guess what we're back to answer your questions because for the last time in 2023 that's right kind of emotional about it I'm a little perplexed I know we're gonna say you know one of the things we're gonna start doing in 2023 is we're gonna start talking a little bit more about podcasting because you know and as I always say just because everybody can do a podcast doesn't mean everybody should but if you've got something to say or have you you have a great way of telling it you have a passion maybe you've got either an idea for a story or you just have an amazing family history something that just is really unique maybe a podcast is for you that's right and it you know and the great thing about podcasting it be any length it can be any any format interview format storytelling it could be edited that's right and that's a great thing about editing is you can sound like crap and then we raise things in a sound suspect yeah we recommend the edit it right if you're new to doing a show you're gonna absolutely be editing it because nobody wants to hear you ramble um and all that stuff all through you know an hour long podcast but anyway yeah it's something we're gonna talk about a lot more and we love doing it we've done quite a few studios dan's produced a bunch of shows sue our very own producer is a podcasting pro herself so we're gonna talk a lot more about that subject in 2024 slightly different bent if you know if you're a good voice actor you've got a good studio though podcasting should be easy yeah yeah it can be and hopefully we'll be here to answer those questions too right so be prepared in 2024 when we start talking a little bit more about podcasting but we'll still cover the voiceover stuff absolutely because it's all about capturing a performance and a microphone whether it's somebody else's script or your own you know right podcast is like the self-scripted of voiceover in a way if you think about it that's right and there is no script for this show no there is no and you can usually tell yeah all right let's get to the some of the questions here you go for the first one from fiber gen there he is in YouTube asking about the new road NT one signature that's the mic I actually mentioned a minute ago yeah is it the same microphone as the road NT one fourth gen but with color options and also a much lower price okay good question and I believe the word on the street is is that it's the road NT one fifth gen mic without the USB functionality inside the mic okay I don't know if that makes sense because you would think they would still have a lot of NT one fourth gens and that they would just paint those I wish we had a nickel for every one of those we've sold yeah I know but I so that is what I've heard and there's source right now I can't name because I can't remember who said it so take that all with a grain of salt but my understanding is it will sound exactly like a road NT one fifth gen just without those extra functions and in a bunch of fun pastel cool colors and that mic sounds great on its own it's a damn good mic to start with and now at a hundred and fifty dollars wow mind blown yeah road has the scale of production to do that kind of thing and it kind of when the road NT one fifth gen came out at 250 with USB and all that it made me realize these guys have some unbelievable production scale that they operate at right I was pretty blown away at that price point because the mic that before the prior generation the fourth gen was a little bit more expensive and didn't have any additional function it was just a normal condenser so pretty mind blowing cool another question do demo players color the sound of your recordings and if so can you recommend players that are more neutral thanks well that's that's an easy one no they don't do anything they shouldn't know an html player is just that it's playing your audio through there yeah now usually an mp3 right now at world dash voices dot org we have a demo player if you join the organization you get the demo player that you can put on your website as a digital signature in your email so it's like you want to hear my demos click on this all your demos right in the email and we know it sounds great because I mean demos sound great as well as they are recorded yeah and if you're using it there's no change difference between them now there's other demo players some that are really expensive that have all these tools and stuff and whistles that you don't really need but you know somebody uses them people are very good their marketing and getting all the analytics and stuff yeah that's fine ours gives you a little bit of analytics with all the different you know how many people are you getting it what cuts are being used where it's coming from stuff like that important stuff yeah so uh you know join world dash voices dot org and get the demo player from there we worked really hard on it it's if you do have a player on some website template you're using and it doesn't sound exactly like the original audio don't use it something's wrong it should only simply queue up and play that file from the server exactly as it was stored so there should be zero changing quality and exactly as it was recorded yeah uh Sharon mckig sounds like mckig Sharon mckig uh thank you for writing that yeah i appreciate that a beginner question and that's why we're here what does loopback capability mean i i have an ssl2 and use adobe audition oh great starter stuff yeah that's uh i don't yet have a source connect if i do a live directed session over zoom how do i loop back to say i mean i can play back just what i recorded well i'm glad you gave us those additional details because that's exactly what it means yeah zoom has its own zoom actually has a way to do it it's called um screen share with audio share audio right so you can it's a weird thing because you have to share your screen but who cares as long as what you're on screen is literally just the audio right right and so when you share a screen with audio i'm not going to guarantee it works every time but but if it should well it should automatically create that loop so that when you play that audio is fed back down the line on zoom um now it that should be the way it works with the ssl2 now ssl2 also came out with a new firmware which has what they call loopback and this is where things get confusing software driven it's a software loopback but loopback isn't a loopback isn't a loopback so um the what i've what we've surmised so far is that the ssl2's loopback function is not designed for what we want it for what we want it more of is really more of a playback function we want to play a take and let the guest or the director whoever the client who's listening hear it the loopback function that is using the ssl2 the Audient Evo 4 and a couple others is actually more of a music musicians or podcasters thing well what it does is it sends the audio that's coming back from zoom into your computer but on a different set of channels so now you can record yourself and you can record the person coming back to you if you're doing music that could be the audio coming back from a synthesizer plug-in or something or soft software soft instrument and you want to record that to another track that's what that loopback is for so knowing which one does what is can be confusing i can tell you that the Yamaha AG03 has the right kind of loopback they've got a new one out too the mark 2 is out yeah which is a great piece of gear um the i think it's the ur series the steinberg ur 12 22 has the correct kind of loopback the new focus right 2i2 fourth gen i think it has the wrong kind of loopback well it's got the fairer thing but is that the same thing no it has some new driver that lets you do a loopback but i think it's the wrong kind as you can see it isn't that straightforward and it's a good question so i'm glad you asked it but you zoom it's a lot easier it is well if yeah it's not the most part if it's a zoom directed session that screen share with audio function will make that a lot easier on you so it's a good question yes for asking absolutely i'm gonna skip ellen cochran's question for a little bit okay you got that's gonna require a little bit longer of an answer yeah you're right but jeff you're on you you've got the gas gear question oh let me get mike let me get that mike okay mike's hot mike's excellent yeah so in regards to writing the gain on my pre sonus revelator i o 24 the gain function you have to like hit a button and then do the dial and the dial is like you know numbers it's really like a right set position so is there a like a preset that i can like go pow and just like hit a button it'll go right to that gain you can the the revelator has that those two little numbers on the yeah and those are for recalling presets so i believe it's been long enough since i've used mine that i could be giving you the wrong information but it does have preset functionality that can be recalled from the face of the unit i just can't remember the actual how to do it right now but i know it can so you could do exactly that you could make one preset for the spoken word your your who calls it the hundred percent voice is that cashman must be just your normal speaking voice and then you can have one where the gain is much lower for your high output stuff and just recall that by pressing a button but i don't remember right now how to set that up it's been too long but yes you can do that absolutely cool thank you yeah yeah yeah keep it simple i've even seen people do like another preset for just muting the mic which isn't that simple to set up but um that's another one i've seen people muting like unplug it exactly always works thanks for the question do we have any more or do we do have one more from ellen cochran who uh which requires a little bit of thought yeah it does require a little bit of thought and i'll let you go first and her question is hi guys what are your new year's resolutions before thanksgiving even hits yeah let me guess you've already decorated your tree people are starting to put up their lights around here some of the radio stations are playing a rotation once an hour of christmas music used to be right after thanksgiving they would start now it's after halloween i i did get a fresh batch of lights that cost go the other day okay 40 off so um anyway new year's resolutions well i guess mine are more centered around i mean because i'm in i'm in business mode right now thinking they're more around my business but um i've got some things that i want to have happen for my business in 2024 i want to have um multilingual content and support so for my company for george the tech i would much i would really like to be able to provide content training content which we already have a huge library of content but i like to get that stuff localized we just had jeff howl on talking about that i would love to localize and dub all of our content in as many languages as possible obviously this is no small feat obviously it's not cheap to do it you imagine someone trying to dub in your 300 episodes of this show it'd take about a century it really would um and obviously ai may be a part of the process but will certainly not be the voice of the show of my content we will be using humans for sure um so that is a that's a big one for me i want to have international languages and i want to have an england international website so someone coming in from portugal or uh brazil gets a brazilian version you know those websites that have little flags and you can click on your flag right and that's translated to properly that's a dream of mine to have a website that's in those in multiple languages so it's maybe a dream less of a resolution but that's what i could come up with off the top of my head and from a personal standpoint my resolution is to um encourage my daughter if she's watching she's probably not but if she is elijah get back into voiceover will ya my my i want to get her back into voice acting and coach and getting coached by martha and uh hopefully we get her to vio atlanta and um she's back in the swing of things by vio atlanta so that'd be another little resolution that's to for me to encourage my daughter to to get back started up in voiceover again there you go those are a couple for you all right well i go off in so many different directions and sometimes in the same moment which makes it hard to get either one of them i mean we've this show which takes a lot of a lot of time and effort and we take you know and and doing voiceover like doing voiceover this morning for some turkish company and you know like okay this doesn't translate very well uh and i'm president of worldvoices.org which is almost like a full-time job because there's a lot going on there but as a resolution i i really i want to start learning how to live in the moment and experience what's going on i find sometimes i go through life or i'll drive somewhere and i don't even remember driving that yeah you know or or like like i had with last week with jeff howell you're having a a mitch mcconnell moment if you live in the moment and carefully and really concentrate on what's happening around you that helps now my new car doesn't allow me to do that because it does all of it for me wait does that mean it lets you daydream? somewhat which is why i don't remember where i've been you know you know it's like it keeps you in your lane it it it says there's a car but you know in your blind spot you know it used to be just a you know a little yellow light now it's like ding ding ding crap gotta live in the moment and it's not easy to do i know there's some people that really work on living in the moment and experiencing life you know at my age you gotta go you only have so many more chapters to go and make the most out of each one of those now my mom who's 93 this week happy birthday mom happy birthday hey yeah uh you know still sharp as attack wow sharper than me as i say it's a blessing yeah she says how is it that you know she has a mind of a 36 year old and the body of a 93 year old yeah how that happened it happens you know uh living in the moment means you know being there for the people you love being there for your clients and concentrating on really making yourself there and not drifting all over the place which is somewhat it's tough for someone like me who's a little bit on the you know adhd side uh yeah you know it's like squirrel yeah um yeah so that would be my my new year's resolution it really is to try harder to live in the moment you know and we're gonna we're gonna be living in the moment when we continue doing this show next year like we said we're gonna make some changes it's not that we've run out of things to say with voiceover because there's always something new you know there's a lot of people in this business uh but there are 10 times as many people doing podcasting yeah yeah or at least trying to do podcasting yeah uh and we just have so much to contribute right there's we there's so much to say about it and we've we've all been involved with it for so long right just feels like it's a right time to introduce that to our especially with audio because how many times you listen to a podcast and it sounds like they recorded it in their bathroom you know and or or an interview that the guest sounds terrible and well how do we make them sound better that kind of thing right you know there's so much to talk about right i mean i was doing a podcast last year and they were an open window in midtown Manhattan and there's ambulances going by and like can you take that out uh you could take that out by closing the window and perhaps not being in midtown Manhattan when you're doing this or in a very reverberant dining room or something along those lines we want to teach you guys how to do that properly and those of you but doing voiceover you'll understand all this stuff but we want to encourage people to do podcasting because as i like to describe it it's the great democratization of broad game it used to be those programs you would hear it's saturday morning or sunday morning at 5 30 a.m and it's like you know and now it's time for this you know and they bring some priest on or a rabbi or somebody who's working in social services or something that's all podcasting is intro body outro and we want to teach you guys how to properly format it but most importantly making it sound good what we you guys like refer to as broadcast quality except you're not broadcasting you're on the internet it's streaming quality streaming quality broadcast quality means it doesn't sound bad yeah all right yeah so that's going to do it for us this week we've got a little bit more to talk about on the other side of these this break so don't go away we'll be right back at voiceover body shop tech talk right after this this 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wobo part of it world voices organizations we speak for those who speak for a living you're still watching vlbs and i'm gonna assume that we're back we should be one last time for 2023 um you know well we forgot jeff jeff has a new year's resolution and make it quick it's a good one though but we should throw jeff jeff tell us your new year's resolution my new year's resolution is to get on a cop show i've always wanted to be on that cop show like fbi or swat and now that i've lost 130 pounds now i'm all ready to all right what's his imdb throw it up there too give us our imdb again it's it's uh imdb.me slash jeff holman there you go with one l one n all right can't wait to see you on an episode of bosh legacy hell yeah which is there you go great show about los angeles meet at delong pre park i'm like oh i know where that is you know or are there a trejo's donuts or a trejo's tacos or something along those lines i love it the trejo trejo's transmissions does he have a transmission i don't know but he might he should the guy's very inventive and uh you know very well loved by the community yeah thanks i appreciate that thank you uh if you need help with your home voiceover studio you can come work with me by going over to homevoiceoverstudio.com and check out all my services or the guy that's got more services on his website than i know it's a bit of a greek restaurant menu we all know what that is like the menu at uh at um what's what's the one we used to go to down the street was a h yeah oh uh h down the street start to an h heroes hugos hugos it's got a heck of a menu oh great restaurant but my website's got a lot going on we understand that but if you go to george d dot tech and if you click the green button at the top left that's a good place to start if you just don't want to read through the site and navigate it you can get help uh with what help you need right there and that's a good way to start but if you also like coupons you like discounts george d dot tech slash v obs is where i will have our coupon codes and um maybe we'll have some juicier ones for the you know it's that time of year so we'll kick it up a notch so stay tuned over there wonderful time oh no oh no did they just defrost what's her face again yes they did actually they defrost around halloween they start really early now um anyway oh and we're also we have three booths for sale that were brokering two massive studio bricks about seven feet by six feet and it's and one diamond vocal booth dot com series booth uh all here in la they're on the website now uh if you go to the services page because that's the only place i had to put them you'll see them on there we need to get these sold for our clients uh they are taking up some serious space as you can imagine and they need to get them out of there so if you're interested reach out to us actually sue is helping with that oh good put her in charge of that uh too so you can email sue and she can get you get your information and get your bid in the ring throw your hat in the ring okay get one of those um let's get to the oh oh one more thing oh but wait there's more we want your contributions all right yeah i mean if you've been watching this show for a while uh which a lot of you have for like 12 years some of you uh in the last year or so if there's been a real golden nugget something that you thought a guest of ours talked about or something that george and i uh brought up on the show that you think would make a nice little short because we want to throw a bunch of those on on our social media during the next month or so before we retool a little bit right to us and say this was a good section this was a good segment and and we will curate that down and get that out because we want that information getting out to be a link to the youtube of the show or at the very least the episode number of the show and approximate time talking about timestamp of when and what we were talking about that we 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voices dot org where i am the president and ceo and chief bottle washer uh we got some great stuff over at world dash voices dot org please join us and uh be part of lots of cool stuff like we got a big conference coming up in chicago cool next year that's right it's gonna be it's gonna be great anyway uh we need to thank jeff holman put up as i am db one more time because he's been you know he has been so loyal thank you jeff we really appreciate it we really do appreciate it man yeah right on a lot of work in the in the chat room there and no it makes the show so much smoother we appreciate it and i am db dot me i am db dot me this for all you listeners slash jeff jeff not the other jeff holman not within a there's no h o l m a n right the simple thank you and and thanks a whole lot to sue merlino who's suffering you know with back pain and uh you know and she but she gets it done not even here we like having awesome job because she's real pleasant to have around but it's also great that she gets this done uh so take care of yourself and thank you looking forward to working with you in 2024 yes feel better sir yeah so anyway that's going to do it for us tonight mr mr widum you know it's always a pleasure yeah it has been a pleasure but you know it's missing and we didn't get to thank who lee penny and of course lee penny just for being lee penny where are you lee yeah come visit us france arizona i don't know somewhere in the kitchen i'm sure it's around that guy that's right uh anyway look we're here to help you with your home voiceover studio and advice on how to run a voiceover business because it's an entrepreneurial business kids it ain't showbiz yeah add a little bit of showbiz it is a business and we want you to learn how to do it right mostly we want you to sound good and there's a lot of ways to do it but we've come to the conclusion that if it sounds good it is good i'm dan Leonard and i'm george widum and this is voiceover body shop or vio bs tech talk 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