 What according to you is The source of defects in our civilization. I can put it up put it this way quoting quoting Friedrich Nietzsche To live is to be unjust There is a kind of Fisher that runs through every human deed every every human heart Which leaves a stain in the world every act of human beings is Projected into the world that is always already stained we as human beings We as beings in time beings of transcendence We are so to speak irreparable to our to ourselves and I think the great challenge that we face is Not so much how to save the world But how to make all life flourish in the world that cannot be saved. Okay, this is this is all too metaphysical for me I want to get physical really one definition of the world is the physical nature of the planet The first thing that Donald Trump says he will do is abandon the climate change a call But you only came into being last week sort of amazing to me that actually if we're talking about saving the world The first thing is actually doing something about arresting the The appallingly threatening atrocity of climate change the fact that Donald Trump It's not a problem for him actually that he could and someone who by the way has a large house in Florida Where slimy inundation is already lapping at the foundations can do this Means that actually reason is dead to the entirety of the election campaign was a victory of lies falsehood Irrationality over reason so the first thing we have to ask ourselves is how do we actually? Develop a form of communication, which is not intellectual exactly. I'm so interested in your in your out brilliantly outrageous interpolation, how do we actually How do we actually make reason entertaining? How do we speak how many Millennials are there out there in the darkness actually if you put up your hands? I couldn't see you anyway, right, okay okay not enough of you showed up to vote in Minnesota and Arizona and and This is you know if we start with a basic question of how to save the planet earth Then we get to the question of how do we find a language that deals with the entertainment of unreason right But I still want you to elaborate on your opening statement that On the Enlightenment which was killed by amusement or right Why why your faith in the Enlightenment why? Miroslav was talking about The false beliefs of the Enlightenment well I have very low threshold of acceptability for the Enlightenment. I'm not talking Dr. Pangloss here I'm just saying the possibility of affecting a political decision by distinguishing lies from truth That's you know kind of ground zero of the Enlightenment really things follow from that that has been essentially Confounded it didn't matter that you know when Donald Trump was caught out of the lie He'd as we say in America double down on the lie That seems to be something the marquee at a condor say could probably not to anticipate it fascism Totalitarianism Authoritarianism in America This is too much so It's unproductive and It may not be true Let's be calm and affirm our values this I'm just gonna say is unproductive language right now Let me ask you. How is it working for you? How is it working for you to call people fascists and racists? Are you winning? Are you is that a good strategy days to try it? You know was that a good way barely at strategic operational planning? Was that a good strategy to ruin this election is surrender? I think calmness is capitulation Calm did not work in 1933. It will not work now. We need excitement but seemed also important to me is that We in the Western and Increasingly in the broader than Western culture have invested all of our energies To speak in biblical traditions in turning stones into bread into kind of economic activity that Organizes entirety of our personal but also political I think outing lives But the result of that is always proving to be disappointing that the levels of happiness have not matched the levels of of increase in wealth increased in sense of also physical well-being and I think there's a kind of crisis of meaning that's that's Haunting the world today