 We welcome back good friend good friend of the program a man who Has a lot of power And we got questions the man who I believe best describes his job detail as I'll say head odds head bookmaker head odds maker for Fandall sports book Welcome to the program from New York City by way of Ireland, Scotland Johnny's here Don't worry from again Ireland I knew it. I fucking knew it. Hey, congratulations, New York Yeah, it's exciting man Didn't expect it to go as quickly as it did but obviously very very excited to get up and running on Saturday morning We're ready to go. Okay, so it happened quicker than you thought are you screwed now? Are you putting in 24-hour days not going on the next couple days, man? The way this slay days on the NFL this week we're putting in 24 hours anyway So I think New York to the to-do list isn't gonna kill us Okay, so I was that was one of my questions like with with this weekend with how much is it? That are you just do you guys have people in every locker room was telling you who's gonna play who's not gonna play? Are you just looking at wrap-up or tweets and figuring out that way? Are you just looking at the standings and guessing if guys are gonna play or if teams are gonna play if they Care about their playoff seating. How does that go into this weekend? Yeah, it's really really tough look It's the same for the public betters out there, so I don't want to look for any sympathy, but it's just really difficult this week I think we're using all of the sources that you mentioned there We're trying to get any information we can that gives us the clues that who's going to be on the field To try and set some lines that are accurate because right now it's all up a little bit up in the air but you know we're paying attention and spending a lot of time looking at tweets and Looking at bets coming in to understand exactly what people are thinking and what way the teams are going to line up before we kind of Lock in our lines and our opinions for this weekend So part of it is you're looking to see potentially where money's how much money's coming in on a side or potentially Like say you have a market Say in Pittsburgh and you see money coming in from that area on like maybe they heard the news first Is that like a situation that goes into play? I think we look at bets for sure because every bet is new information for us So there's some people out there that we will respect very very much So we just saw a flood of money for you know The likes of Carson Wentz under passing attempts this weekend And I think that makes sense a lot of people maybe projecting them to be up big and for him to sit down Later in the game So, you know, that's the sort of information that we don't have we form our opinion and then you know We assess it based on the money that we see When it goes to local, you know biases towards certain teams or players, we don't really see a whole lot of that I think the insiders in the NFL and social media people that everybody will know Are pretty fair and they get it out as soon as they get it They don't hold on to it as far as I'm concerned the value in it for them is getting it out as quickly as possible So I'm sure like many betters out there We all have notifications on our phone and they keep beeping all day long. Yeah this week in particular Yeah, and by the way, we're talking to John Sheeran from Fandle sports book head bookmaker I forgot to make a bottom third so people know who we're talking about that is on me. I'm a bad host So this weekend what we were talking about when okay, so the bangles they opened it plus three They then go to minus three and now they're plus six Did you open it at three at plus three because you thought you know what bro And then probably aren't gonna play and then you had speculation that they are gonna play And now that they're definitely out. Let's make it six Yeah, exactly our numbers five and a half with the kind of teams the way that they are right now It closed at six and moved up a half a point. Well, like you said, it's all over the place I mean, we didn't expect any of the Green Bay Packers starters to play either So that line has jumped all over the place and even right now We're still not sure as to how much time on the field Aaron and the starters will actually get we're guessing the Majority of the first half, but that's just really us fingers in the air stuff It'll be nice to get more confirmation tomorrow and have more confidence in the numbers that we're hanging But they're all the sort of problems that you have this week. It's nothing new But then you add COVID into it this week and it just seems to be worse than ever and Trust me Aaron was on the show on Tuesday. He comes on says they don't want rust They're gonna play. I immediately put a bet in on the Green Bay Packers two minutes later AJ or Pat says what a couple drives and he goes, yeah Oh, maybe couple drive and then I immediately regret making that bet. So trust me. We're in the same situation Speaking of Aaron Rodgers There was an MVP voter who came out earlier this week and said I'm not voting for Aaron I don't think he's a good guy. So I'm not going to vote for him. Have you take do you guys take any of that into the line? No, I'm not that nonsense. I mean he's obviously a voter and he's got one cast Obviously, there's some information in it given some people have that view But no, we'll concentrate on you know The body of work the performance levels how the team and the individual has performed and kind of start from there and figure out Where that takes us in terms of probabilities for that person to win the award obviously Historic to the main driver and I think you know, Aaron is rightly in the driver's seat there regardless of what one Individual's perception of them is agreed. Yeah, John. I'm knee deep in the college basketball right now These lines are moving like 10 points a night. Is that something you guys worry about? Is it all just based on who's betting on or how much money or how does that happen? Honestly, I just think they're moving so much because of who's on the floor right now There's such uncertainty around COVID and how how healthy how fit some of these guys are and you know I see the notifications come through all day as well where you know these lines and key players are being You know have been on the court warming up and then sit and don't play and people are You know guessing that they're going to play and then the line is moving even in the last few minutes So a lot of sympathy out there for people betting college basketball right now It's really difficult to be certain about your bet and who's going to be on the court I think I saw a guy yesterday wearing a face mask on the on the court I mean if that's where we're getting to we're in big trouble Hey good for you for being successful at college basketball bank everyone's Once again, we're speaking to John cheer in a fandom sports book What is your official time? I don't know. Call me whatever I've been called worse. Okay, Johnny, but Johnny books Johnny books Johnny books Johnny books. Um, I got it. I got a fucking question, dude Joe burrow It's got more yards more touchdowns better completion percentage a lot of better things as far as the numbers go then Dak Prescott who was favored to win the division at the beginning of the year Joe burrow was was in Fourth in division as far as the odds were concerned at the beginning of the year, but for some reason Joe burrow is a dog to Dak in the comeback player of the year odds Is that because Dallas is a huge market or is that because we saw the injury on TV and it looked really bad Why is that do you think? I Really good time and we actually had a pretty big debate about that in the office yesterday here So I think Dak is the rightful favorite and strong favorite for it. I think Look, I think his body will work over the piece I know you'll point to the stats, but if you look at his touchdown to interception ratio, it's heavily favored towards Dak I think it's 42 8 versus 49 19 something like that. There's a pretty big discrepancy in it I get the overall numbers the completion percentage all of those things are really sexy and I Understand why people lean that way? I think my view is that Dak's injury was worse particularly given He's obviously not as young as Joe burrow I think to come back from you know snapping your leg it in half and the way that he dealt with it How strong they came back at the start of the season? I think they are all really really big plus points and I just think The achievement to get back performing at the level that he's doing is a greater one from Dak than it is for Joe Burrow I love Joe Burrow loved him at LSU. He broke all the completion Accuracy records that we've ever seen in college football since they've been collated and when you leave him time He's lethal in the pocket, but I think overall Dak matters more And I think to come back from what he had I'm not belittling the the cruciate ligament issue that Joe Burrow had That was a pretty horrible tackle and a nasty injury, but when you're younger those things I think are easier to come back from so I lean pretty heavily Dak But I can understand why we've seen some money this week for Joe Burrow I think it hurts him a little bit that he sits this week I mean people betting it a plus 155 early in the week probably thought that he might play Yeah, and now he sits so let's see how it goes, but for me Dak is the right right favor Yep, that was that I was on that some of my money. I also took I think what John just said is you lost your bet. That's not what John said John didn't say that We're speaking to Johnny bookmaker of Fandall sportsbook Gumby Pat. Hey, how are you did is he backer? Okay, don't be go ahead. Yeah, John. Can we get some more footy boosts on the old Fandall there? You mean soccer, right? Yeah, you got it boss Of course. Yeah, I mean, there's no reason we can't I think you're the only one out there betting it Hey a guy that actually here's a good question. Do you know This guy who's gonna ask his next question and when you see him tweet a pic Are you guys super pumped that you know which side is gonna win? The football game or the basketball game or whatever and here's Evan Fox Oh, no, yeah, I was muted. Hey, Johnny, you definitely don't know me first and foremost second off I'm normally not on this show. So this might be a stooge question But I'm honestly just very curious about it out of all the sports Is there one that's harder to make the lines for than others or is it all pretty much the same? I? Think yeah, I think it is a really good question. I think for us The head odds makers that we have for this different sports definitely lean towards the NFL and the NBA Just because we've got more experience. They mattered more Internationally before Fandu launch. So I think for those two We definitely have a preference and probably feel like we it comes more naturally for us We've a bigger database to be able to you know, host our ratings and rankings off as well So I think for that reason we're more comfortable in those spaces I think the college sports are difficult because you get the term right every couple of years you get new Faces in and new people in new coaches sometimes as well So I think those two as well as maybe hockey for us are probably the more difficult ones I'm pretty sure you'll find plenty of edges and hockey for anyone out there betting it with us That's the one that we struggle with the most and need to do better That's good news John come get your fucking ass in that game. You know I'm in John Sheeran Head bookmaker at Fandal Sportsbook I'd like you to introduce you introduce for the program Pat McPhee my boss Friend who can't be happy that I didn't make a lower third. Well, that's we were screaming John because we're watching out there And we know who you are obviously in the office and we're big fans of your work sometimes, you know Sometimes it feels like some of your lines are a little bit gotcha lines You know you're trying to get us there, but there's no nameplate on the show So we're screaming out there this dude deserves one not Foxy's fault not digs his fault It's our fault because the world should recognize this guy who creates the greatest odds in a game That's very kind of you pal. I really appreciate you having my back Once you don't call me an English man like you did before I think we'll be on good footing moving forward I would never do that. I know you're from Listen, I'm talking about What's that called the shameless does the bows of the Belgium or something 20 beats of the Belgian or something I'm all about good Irish chitchat Whatever you think about Do you get scared to death of weekends and this might have already been asked I'm not sure But do you look ahead to weekends? You're like, oh my god We're fucked like this weekend for instance We talked to Lombardi earlier and digs has been saying it and we've kind of bounced back and forth on a lot of games Looking ahead to this week 18 where we have no idea who's gonna play why they're gonna play how they're gonna play The seating matter who's gonna rest. Do you get scared to death going into some weekends or no? I Don't think scared. I think this weekend is the edge case though part where we're in a situation where You know, we usually sit down on a Wednesday Formalizer opinions and figure out where we want to be aggressive in taking money and who we want to keep for Fandil a little bit as well. The big problem this week is we don't know what that opinion is worth So for example, you know, we might lean Miami a little bit at seven points But God knows who's going to be on the field and for how long it's going to matter given the other games Implications on that so this week is a bit of a pass for us But in general we're pretty excited to go in towards the weekends You know, we normally have had a couple of opinions throughout the week and the money's either the markets either come or gone against us And you know, they're the ones that we live or die by and really enjoy But this weekend is really tough for everybody. How much do the sharps effect what you do? How much do like the people that for instance, I'm on a run right now against the spread I'm like I think I hit like 11 10 10 9 like I think I'm on a run here and I'm not saying I'm not a sharp. Okay, but do you keep you guys actually keep eyes on the sharp money? Is that why some things move and how many of those are out there roughly and do they know that you are watching them? Yeah, they know, I mean, they'll see the lines move once once they bash and you know We need to be wary of that, but there's not that many of them We probably have you know two or three accounts that I would say that are really really respected That will really move immediately on an NFL game or if we have an opinion say this week We like San Francisco a little bit if we like them and we're sticking out on the other side And this guy comes in and bets it then we'll re-evaluate our position for sure and say have we got this wrong? Or are we happy do we understand why he's maybe taking the other side apart from the idea that he's getting the best line Or the best odds with us and then figure out if we want to go ahead and go to war with them or not You know that happens on a daily weekly basis and it's part of the old bookmaker against the better You know adversarial Challenge and we enjoy that as well. Do you think you think they're out there? Do you think you guys should send like a title bout to them and say like hey good on you good year? Yeah, like is that something like you said there's two to three you guys have Hundreds I think I don't know how many people but a fucking lot of we had 44,000 people on one bet that we had I assume it's a lot of people two to three is the elite of the elite Do you learn about them as they go? Do you track their progress or did you know when they got there? I will track their progress progress and and and build up a betting pattern You know behavior from them and see when they bet how much they bet where they bet where the line closes for us That's the most important assessment of how good you are It's not about you know you going 11 and one four weekends in a row We still pretty happy to take your bets back But you know when we see the sharp guys out there, they're betting they're moving the lines are betting minus two It's going off minus three and a half Crossing the key number tolls are coming down a couple of points if they're on an under doing the inverse if it's on an over And once we establish those guys then we really respect them and that's just on NFL sides early in the week Of course, there's a lot of sharp betters out there that pick us off on player props Etc and we do the same with them and sometimes we have to limit them and protect the business We need to earn a wage as well But yeah, there's there's plenty people out there making making a pay last question for me And I apologize for just coming in here and kind of bombarding this thing The super boost the boost that you guys are presenting to people You have to hate those things hit like hey the ones that I'm opening the thing and it's right in front Hey Pat take this bet basically is what hey, this is a good boost. It's normally this it goes to this those things are hitting Like and I don't know what percentages I'm sure we could find out and I'm sure you know exactly is that how is that game played and how do you decide those things because Immediately upon seeing the boost for like two weeks straight You guys were hitting hitting hitting and then we saw the college football Semis and it was like well this team's gonna win and the overs gonna hit It was almost like I was playing against you guys like okay So I think the under's gonna hit now because they've been given too much out and it did end up hitting that way But how much of the boost is really? You know something like a thorn in your side verse like oh shit We are losing our ass on these ones that we are telling people to take basically Yeah, look, it's a good question. I think our view is the boost is the way of giving generosity back to loyal customers There's a max cap on how much you can have on them. They're not there for professional betters or for big Big betters they're there for you know the 40 50 dollar 100 dollar better who just wants to get some value and We basically look at that as a way of giving generosity back to people and the boosts we do with you or the boosts We do ourselves a super boost on the website. There's really not a whole lot of thought going into it I know people think we know what the outcome will be or we'd like to take money on one side or the other More often than not we're just trying to give people a bit of value and hopefully Keep some money in their wallets and then the ecosystem for them to bet on whatever they want afterwards Very nice of you Santa Claus, dude. Hey, John How come Should we look into You know the key number of like three or two and a half When you know all the money's coming in on one side, but you guys won't fucking move that number at all I don't think so. I think what you'll see is if we're off market It means we have an opinion on the game and if we are in that position then The amount of money on one side or the other won't matter to us. We're not moving lines just because 90 percent of of the money is on one side or another Uh, george alabama coming up on monday night. We have I think I look 16,000 bets on the money line on alabama and 600 bets on the money line on george We're not moving the line just because it's that lopsided or one sided You know, we're happy with the line happy to take action We believe there's profit in in those bets. We're laying on both sides and that's kind of the way we do We don't worry about you know moving it just because all the money's on one side or the other follow up three points at home That's all bullshit, right? Yeah, it's all bullshit. That's Yeah, it definitely look at it. People always say that right because as soon as they see they're like, well, they're getting three points for Being at home. It's like, I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's an accurate Is it not like that anymore? Especially with the records of home field advantage over the last two years last year Covid year first time I think since like 1960s something in which the home field Had a losing record and then this year it's only like three games off or four games off Do you guys take into account any of that and for the playoff? Should we look into that more or less? I think uh You we look at it all the time and everyone out there really should Home field advantage is different than every stadium in the country Um, obviously you've got a factor factor in scheduling and travel I think the teams have gotten better at that We've seen that in pro sports in general in every sports soccer, for example Home field advantage continues to decline over time and the same is happening in the mba and the nfl Um, so for sure you need to be paying attention to it I think the average is more like two just under two these days than the old Idea that it's worth three points and some stadiums Are really not worth anything at all. I think about the likes of miami in october Got a benefit people to go there, particularly if you're from buffalo or pittsburgh You John I got two more for you. Uh, thank you, john. Thank you, john Retirement games we just had a retirement game with ben rosasberger Uh, we had a jersey retirement last night with dirk We got john madden's family lighting the torch, uh in vegas this weekend. Do you guys? You guys take that into account when you're when you're making a line because we do No, not at all Come on john I mean Did ben play that? Well, I don't want to be Guys buried everybody listen. You wished me good luck into that game. So I know how you feel. Okay. They won they covered Yeah, they did and I thought a lot of it was motivational based on On the night that it was so for sure there's an element of it But if we started getting into, you know, how good a night's sleep some quarterback had Because he's got a new baby then we're starting to get ourselves in bother. Okay last question. Um There's places and they're I believe they're all Uh location they're not online. No, I don't think anybody has it on an app yet Will there ever be a day where we can do survivor or pick five a week against a spread contest, uh in the nfl online on an app Yeah, I mean to be honest with you, we probably should have done more work on prioritizing Contests like that. I think they're pretty popular here. Obviously Just a busy road map and other priorities for now meant that we haven't necessarily focused on them But there's got to be an easy way to have a good engaging customer proposition for Either survivor king of the hill or whatever you want to call it. Um It seems like there's enough demand therefore We just got to go and figure it out put it there somewhere on the app But I think so. I think there's enough demand for us for us to be able to do something All right, john on our way out. Who do you need? Who do you need most this weekend? You know what? I think this weekend we'll need alabama more than anybody else Um, or sorry, georgia more than anybody else the way to money for alabama as the dog is pretty incredible I alluded to the numbers. Yeah, there. We have a pretty good position on georgia in the future book as well They'll win us a couple of million dollars easily if um If they go our way and I think sunday night football is really interesting provided the colts I look after the jags, which I think we all think they will The raiders charge your game on sunday night. It's going to be pretty incredible I think that would be our biggest handle biggest swing of the night And that game will be the most important to our profitability for the week for sure John sheeran head book maker johnny books at fandals sports book. We can't thank you enough Good luck with the new york launch this weekend. Um, hey, good luck this weekend in general. We'll talk to you again Thank you guys. Appreciate you having me on. Thanks john