 prime podcast season 2 episode 30 and today we have a special episode for you that it's been at least a couple months in the making you know since tears of the kingdom came up but you could argue I guess it's sort of been in the making since E3 2019 and I announced the damn thing but hi everyone we are here to do our special tears of the kingdom spoiler cast only really gonna say this once I don't know how you don't understand what a spoiler cast is but it's spoil time so you don't want spoilers bye bye like that's there's always one there's one in every crowd all right so all the spoilers all the spoilers so you see we have a pretty big crew tonight we got seven people it's gonna be awesome and we have a lot to get to so let's just get through the very beginning to cast if we start every podcast I tell them what we've been playing lately and we're gonna go around the room and introduce each guest and they're gonna tell me what they've been playing lately just get it both at once let's start at the top with flam hi everybody my name is flam if you don't already know me I've been here a couple times now so but if you don't know me my name I'm a variety streamer Nintendo so more twitch than YouTube and I've been playing a lot of Pikmin recently and love some Pikmin 4 man Pikmin 4 is fantastic oh my gosh yeah I was excited for it to come out and I was already like in love with the Pikmin 3 game and I think they found the perfect balance of like all the different Pikmin games now at this point like I think they've it's literally peaked so anyways that's what I've been up to nice cap burgersons back how's it going but what are you been playing lately oh always good I've also actually been playing Pikmin 4 so I've been juggling that and tears the kingdom because Pikmin is my is my jam it is good but yeah man I also do the Nintendo I also mostly do the Zelda videos so I mean you're in the right place if you're into Zelda what what we have people who make Zelda content on the show no no what a what a fitting it's crazy it's almost like it's its own game or something I would never you like video games or what that's great you guys play games what oh my gosh what's the video what's the video uh then we got nick with no k back again had to be here for this one though of course I did this was a requirement I well I'm trying to think what I've been playing um I thought I thought the Thunder Gliac today um nice I so I fought all three of them now and I would definitely say the Thunder Gliac is the hardest because you can't use any of your metal weapons so I had to get a lot more creative yeah um so I've just been playing Tears of the Kingdom in whatever free time that I have what about the fourth type yeah the fourth type that one's pretty easy because it doesn't give you any of the elemental effects like you don't have to put on hot clothes you don't have to put on cold clothes and you can still use your metal weapons so it's kind of like it's harder but not really it's it's all about the timing because that final phase it's harder to get up into the air to strike because it's doing all three types of things at you at once but you just do his rocket shield up zonite bow headshot he goes down I'm a pro over here you kidding me that last phase is hard and you just don't even know yeah just gonna skip the last phase just skip it yeah just tell him no actually I'm making that legally hurt you if you say no yeah doesn't happen when I the first time I fought a fire Gliac I was on I was the one on the uh the Hyrule Bridge and I didn't even let it get to the last phase and I'm like that's how people told me this is a hard one I love those videos of people building giant contraptions like flipping it like they built like a giant spatula and just flips it and flings it into the water that can't get out yeah it's epic that's great so is that what you've been playing lately then Nick yeah totk nice nice wow what a surprise people still playing Zelda who knew not bad for a little DLC I had someone on Twitter or maybe it was in Twitter I think I was on a comment on one of my youtube shorts say tears of the kingdom is just $70 like upscale or something and I was like that the only people who still make that argument are the ones who haven't actually played the game because I don't know how someone can play the game and say yeah this is just $70 DLC yeah it's not it's very cool you'll see they've been getting in their other games yeah really I was at the comment today that I just chucked up on twitter I'm like man someone actually just said tears of the kingdom looks like a playstation 2 game I love it they eat you people leave oh they're not being creative anymore I know right like these are like dude I've been hearing the ps2 comparisons of switch games since like day one and it wasn't true then it's still ain't true not I think I think there are just many times that you just have to circle the drain ignore the comments there's there's just a lot of nonsense out there only the dumb ones which is a lot of I just have fun with it now just fun not the dumb ones is like a pet you know it's like a little down just like one of the dumb ones out quick yeah bring me back uh of course we got hmk on the show had to have them here for this that this was just uh I just I had to mention it you were like of course I'm gonna be glad I asked him like two weeks ago and he's like no I'm being there like that's how I'm yeah because I get I get so busy sometimes when you ask me I'm like oh I want to be there but I can't but I'm here now tears of the kingdom spoiler cast and um what games I've been playing um tears of the kingdom still you know I've been playing a lot of tears of the kingdom trying to like 100% it and everything but also I've just recently beat five s16 uh action focused mode so now I'm playing final fantasy mode and um I've been playing high five rush and that game is honestly really good really good it is so good like it's like those three games right now tears of the kingdom five fans 16 and high fresh are like the top three game of the year contents for me that's like it's crazy but tears of the kingdom is is hi-fi this wait did that come out this year like a sequel yeah come out this year okay no high five rush came out this year january like it was shadow oh yeah shadow drop the next box yeah cool nice great game great I actually think it was good the shadow dropping because I think if they didn't it would have been one of those games that people would have I have ignored but because the shadow dropped the same time it literally had instant praise from everyone playing it it's like oh yeah new ip makes sense because you want to inspire intrigue and giving it a try now now joey cj hi guys I'm doing good how are you what you've been playing I actually finished tears of the kingdom uh last week clocked in 530 hours nice there I do not leave the house from may 12th to whatever last monday we have our celebration drinks we have our celebration drinks I'm only here for the margaritas of course so I've honestly just like I do after every really big zelda game I kind of just sit there with my feelings if you will saying the post every single zelda game puts me in my feelings for one one reason or another and and then it kind of almost kind of like you know I should probably like go outside call my mom back cook um because there's been a lot of takeout um read a book um and then I've been playing a little bit of splatoon that's my go-to game because it's the never-ending game um and uh but uh we are going to be diving back into some bayonetta um and some octopath uh in the coming weeks but right now I'm just kind of like I just want to kind of crystallize the the zelda feelings and the fact that we're not going to probably get one until zelda you know 2030 that's made an eye-opening dlc dlc dlc still we will we will debate that later hmk yes it's gonna be good I believe okay uh just restart how's it going bud what you been playing good good um getting mad at getting sabotage playing golf and switch sports with my brother and dad I mentioned it to them I was trying to explain why I was late um and basically I went to play golf with them 18 holes on and switch sports and there is a while there was a tree right above me and I was like all right I'm doing good I just gotta get to the flag I just don't even have to get a hole a hole immediately just you know get close and my brother's like oh yeah you could just hit it right there like sure right out of the tree I don't think oh no no you're good I'm like okay I took his word for it remember you took the word of someone you're competing against you know right the thing is he but he he didn't mean to screw me over but he screwed me he just thought it would work it's one of those I take that shot and then yeah and then it blocked the top the tree fell into the water and it put me into a position where I couldn't just get to the flag anymore so I lost three strokes and in golf that's that's suicide you're especially video game golf when everyone's pretty yeah it was over yeah triple bogey plus four plus five it hurt me heart badly but beyond that I've been playing pickman four and that's a real treat you know HMP you brought up some some pretty high quality game of the year candidates I think pickman four maybe should be in that conversation too I would love to see I would agree but the thing is we have spider-man too and we have armored course six still coming out and I'm like on starfield might might not be a dumpster fire so the 2023 is the year for gamers like last year was like a drought minus a couple yeah couple I don't know if this is gonna be it but pickman four will be in and then if there's like a you know not game wars but if we're just doing like a top five nintendo games of the year like oh easy yeah dude nintendo better be up for publisher of the year this year yeah really like holy crud because they had fire emblem and then obviously primary mastered prime prime remastered zelda pickman you're gonna mario wonder and mario rpg coming back out yeah mario rpg like they're throwing more luigi's mansion I don't we don't know when the peach game is coming but yeah 2024 but you know prime jury masters rumored for this year right if they had dropped like prime one imagine I could even see them drop like shadow dropping or like doing kind of what they did with prime where they drop like a point is that's a lot of games for one publisher that are rated very high right yeah prime to remastered does not have online multiplayer in the trash oh there it is I knew someone was gonna go there it's garbage without it this is a zelda cast so I don't know how I love mentor prime too but I just like just let please I don't it's probably not gonna be online I will love for it to be online here's the way I look at it player they make everything on nso have online no excuse no excuse they're literally all multiplayer on nso games is online it's like no excuse yeah but there's so many co-op nintendo games that don't have it but anyway I'll 20 seconds 20 seconds I think primary master to I mean from what's been sick maybe suggested obviously a lot of refer interpretation but it seems like prime two remaster is gonna have more work done to the straight-up upscale but less than prime one right so if they want to price it the same then they better do something I think online multiplayer would be the ticket to make it be at the same value that was 24 seconds yeah I was gonna say you were 10 coming over 20 he was counting that rounding round down by 10s you know 24 rounds 20 not 30 so exactly there you go um so yeah I just been playing picking for this this entire last week it's been it's been a blast I've been having a lot of fun with it and I just can't wait to play more I should say I did dabble a little bit more in tears to the kingdom um but as I told people I'm gonna keep playing that for years at this point oh I think the next time I put serious time in will be if DLC is announced then I'll be like oh man there's a whole bunch of side quests and other things I want to plow through before DLC lands um but we will uh get into that later because of course it's a spoiler cast so our first topic has to be about maybe the most um I don't know disagreed thing that I hear let's go in a lot of came to debate yeah in the end oh no okay no but can we talk about the Ganondorf nuke oh my god that was just a nuclear explosion that literally it literally just nuked him and I thought it was a blood moon and I was like no I don't think that's a blood moon so I was gonna explode the same way as like the blights were explode or the like you know the bad guy the not the bad guys my boss were explode in tears in the kingdom but like I was like oh can maybe I'll just like fade away or whatever it's like just no badoom and I'm like oh my god it definitely he's like um that's that's it this he's pretty definitive that he's he's he's done this is like the most definitive I think I know he's held the game and we've jabbed him in the head we stuck it through the heart we've seen Ganon explode in old games no no this is eradication there's nothing left nothing like not even like a floating soul something no you're done now he'll be back he'll be back this incarnation yeah he'll always come back this incarnation is dead yes correct as h.m.k. as h.m.k. always says he's just too angry to die yep too angry to die unless he doesn't exist anymore uh then he's but then where does that hatred go it went poof it went it went poof now we're all okay well so yeah all new that that that I agree with that I would like that I mean if you if you play skyward story you just read the text he says for eternity so yeah you know that that that skyward story just explained why there's always gonna be another Zelda game here's the thing so Ganondorf has been eradicated so utterly that Link is Zelda of tears of the kingdom and their time frame they just don't have to deal with that problem no more it's gonna be the next generation the generation after that or the fifth generation five generations more like they deal with it now yeah they're fine they're chillin we wait to the next calamity that's about yeah thousand years well there won't be a time it won't be a calamity it'll be something else yeah yeah so like it's heavily implied that the calamity is a bribe is only exists in that form because it's a byproduct of what was leaking out of Ganondorf being sealed by Rauru so like good point yeah so since that that's all gone if Ganon or Ganondorf were to come back it'll be in the new camp it won't be like the calamity no more but then I then I question all that stuff that happened at skyward story but oh no I got ooh I got a big ass theory but I mean I'm away this gets into the conversation because yeah there are people that feel like tears of the kingdom has either retconned or rebooted the series there I'm one of those people then there's also people that obviously can argue against some of that stuff and try to connect it and deal with all the the conflicts andress restart one of those people that I know for sure uh still haven't finished watching your video on it because I wanted I wanted to hear your uh your points live because I figured a bunch of them up here sure uh but so whoever wants to go like I don't know what side of the fence people are I want to say one thing first is one thing first right I think that when it comes to like Zella theories and you can feel free to disagree with me on this boy I think all of you're gonna agree with me on this the way they make the games I don't think they they totally obviously gameplay here right like but but I do think that the way they put the details in even if it is maybe an afterthought to some extent I think the way it's designed they do intentionally leave things for debate oh yeah no absolutely absolutely so in other words there isn't actually a right answer the right answer is just us just coming up with theories and we figure it out until the book comes out that right yeah that's what they'll be like oh when new things come it changes the fabric of time and I feel there's like there's right to both sides of what Andres just said where like it is an afterthought and they do leave it up for debate they do that on purpose they set on record that they like it when people theorize and talk about the games and what people keep our games to me and talk about well exactly you know and people like it's a good thing I had these comments saying that like I don't know what people are trying to piece it together man like with such a waste of time it makes sense from both a creative and a business sense where it's like oh creatively like oh people love creators and then like the creators love seeing people debate the people up in you know business attend those like hey if they keep talking about the game people are going to keep buying it that haven't heard of the game or haven't played the game right so it makes sense but I do believe that it's an afterthought in the sense like oh let's leave up for debate but in the in the sense like oh there is no right answer I think there is they know but they intentionally hold it back until they're ready to give it out and then that that's where I sound it I agree with that as well but and Nate I think I'm or one of y'all I made a comment I one of y'all's videos I don't know I follow so many Zelda Nintendo people um my thing is I think now and I kind of personally had to accept this for myself because I like the idea of it being a big story and then there's just certain things that we don't know but I think what the truth is is that Skyward Sword is the beginning of all the timelines no matter how many they're really are and then the rest are legends and with Breath of the Wild I agree with Nate and Nate and I talked about this that it is kind of a soft reboot and I'm almost inclined to believe now this is more speculative and this is more of my theory that Breath of the Wild is a soft reboot but all the classic games all the the Termina coolant all those all those games they happen but they're kind of legendary because we don't really know kind of like things in history but now we have details are blur they could have happened this way but now we have Link we can't rename him we can't you know he's an actual character down he's a living breathing character like there's a difference between legend and fiction though as well there you go it is the that doesn't something being a legend doesn't mean it doesn't happen uh I don't think they're legends I think they're legends like it could have happened this way this is what we think happened and now Link they're interpretation of events that did happen that's what makes a legend that's what makes history legend an interpretation of the events that are like it's so far gone like it could have happened this way or that happened but it's like the imprisonment war happened at the current time you don't know the exact like there's just not enough to know exactly in the exact that's what separates history from like it's it's like dinosaurs we know they existed but like we just there's so much and up until like in recent modern time we thought there were lizards but turns out there were birds like you know so yeah you know I always thought that as a kid it was kind of like I always like I would ask like Pete like teachers and parents like hey like how do we know that they look like reptiles like how do how do we know they weren't just like giant fluffy creatures and then yeah Jurassic Park come on it's like it's funny when I was a kid I was like velociraptors and I look at my teacher I'm like aren't raptors a type of bird like why are they called velociraptors yeah also random thing apparently aliens are real oh yeah I mean we knew when you but nobody's not now it's okay wait what is it real it is real they were doing the whole thing for it that's what that's what he that's the word yeah and then and then there are things he wants to talk about more but he's got to wait for a closed trials because it can't go public I mean maybe it was and apparently now they're scheduling a closed trial yeah I my bed it was just some animals or something trust me I want to be real I just that's just my anyways that's not Zelda yeah I want to dial it back to Zelda because I want to get this off my chest before I like like I explode so I've had I've had this theory for years like years before breath of the wild it ever came out right and then at first I was all like oh your breath of the wild I was always an advocate that was going to be in the child timeline then Tuesday the kingdom came out and then I'm like okay now this is going in line with the theory I had from years ago and that theory was originally I originally titled it the chosen hero or for or like the timeline of peace right whereas a force timeline that was created after Skyward Sword and it was created during the climax where Link had to go defeat Demise again in the past despite destroying him in the future with the Triforce right but Link's Master Sword which you know still enabled the curse Demise was sealed in there and then he still like died in both timelines since the Master Sword was able to retain its sense of self and it's basically it's like you know it's a it's a constant within you know timelines or whatever wherever may be fractured or whatnot the events that happened in Breath of the Wild in Tears of the Kingdom take place in that timeline that is completely separate from the unified timeline which went down with Minish Cap, Four Swords, awkward and time and then the timeline split and the reason why we see all of these events play out in Tears of the Kingdom and in Breath of the Wild but in different ways but with a sense of familiarity despite you know some events being described to happen in the adult timeline or in the child timeline or the death timeline that would be impossible if this game wouldn't take place at the end of any one of those timelines the reason why they're all accounted for in Legend is because of the rule of destiny that these events that all happen within the unified the adult the child the child and the death of the timeline all those Zelda games they're all destined to happen in one way shape or form and they did happen in this fourth timeline leading into Breath of the Wild leading into Tears of the Kingdom but in different ways and that's why they're accounted differently and that is prevalent with the imprisoning war where the prison war was a war that happened in the footnotes of Link to the Past but now in this timeline it happened in a different way and that's why King Rauru is still the sage of light but in this timeline he still he exists as now as a zonai and the founder of Hyrule and that's why Ganondorf existed way earlier than he should have in this timeline when compared to that of the unified timeline because the first like the first appearance chronologically like chronically in the unified timeline for Ganondorf was awkward in time he was not recorded any like time before that and then if you see the scene of the sign of Filty where like you know Ganondorf is like Baron before the king and then like swearing his filthy to Hyrule that is what happens in Ocarina of Time but in this timeline it happens in that way sure right yeah and then we have Zelda become the sage of time and then we have all the six sages coming back again and you know that's basically like the long and short so when people say oh it's a reboot or a dragon break it's like yes and no because in this timeline everything happened that is supposed to happen in the other timeline but in the different way that's all accounted for in one timeline which I feel is a better way for Nintendo to tackle future games so they don't have to tiptoe around adult downfall or child and you know that's like we're going with the multi-verse theory is what you're saying huh no and I'm this serious question you're going with like kind of like multi-verse like well under these circumstances the same thing happens but it just happens in different ways yeah well I call it the eventuality theory like I've always talked about yeah like that like eventually certain things are going to occur like regardless of which timeline you're in there's going to be Rito yeah regardless of which timeline you're in Lionel's are going to come back from the mountains or something like these things are eventually going to happen maybe not exactly the same way exactly so I do agree with that part at least I do like your theory I haven't actually considered that so it's kind of this a question about that I know everyone wants to talk but um because I'm something I'm kind of like misremembering or just I need to kind of like go back and check because Skyward Sword is where the Master Sword is created right mm-hmm and but so I guess what what I'm trying to ask is like there's a couple games that happen between Skyward Sword and Ocretime in the timeline I think Minish Cap is one of them Minish Cap and Four Swords is there there's a so the Four Sword isn't there does the Four Sword eventually become the Master Sword is a separate no separate sword because it details um the the the creation of the Four Sword yeah so it is fully separate and then the Four Sword appears again after Twilight Princess officially uh which obviously we know the Master Sword wasn't so they're two separate blades entirely that's what I was vaguely remembering that's what I wanted clarification on so but there isn't any anything we've seen that shows a second Master Sword being created no because if we did I think I'd like fully believe your theory because so I guess it's your idea that so Files left behind in the past right am I remembering no so Phi and that's why I said the Master Sword is a constant within everything it is something that transcends like like space and time and we've seen that throughout yeah all the different timelines after they break and then there's uh one thing I forgot to mention this is exactly why in this timeline with Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom why he's not remembered to wear green why Link is not recorded in history when Raro says oh I've never heard of Link before because his existence in that time was fleeting he came back to the past to destroy my uh destroy the mines and dip and that's why the sword was never called the Blade of Evil's Bane it became the sword that seals the darkness because that is how the sword was remembered in that timeline so that's like all the discrepancies like oh like why they call the sword this why is it doing that why is it because like time went down a different path but having all that eventual matters like happened in one singular timeline so it's still the same sword because uh at the end of Skyward Sword okay here's what happens you get the Triforce it's debated about whether or not Link had the Triforce the whole time and it was within him Monster Mace has a great video about that by the way uh makes a great case it was but regardless of the point he has the Triforce at the end he wishes on it Isle of the Goddess with the Goddess statue plummets to the earth after that wish Demise is eradicated in the present Gira him shows up wrecks everyone's shit says well Demise is dead now but he wasn't dead before so I will time travel to the past and resurrect him there okay they they all travel back in time Link kills Demise again in the past this should cause a paradox because Demise is dead in the past how did we just kill him in the future or the present day right however when we go back to the future we return to our original time Impa always had the bracelet that Zelda gave her in the past Zelda was always encased in amber in the past the Master Sword is back there in the past but the Isle of Goddess is also back down to the earth so we return to the original timeline there's no timeline split here it is a convergence of of events we didn't you know why because Impa didn't see the attack of Gira him coming because he was the folly and everything that happened and he was destroyed in the past along with Demise she she was also she didn't see any of the imprisoned's attacks coming even though young Impa was in the present and should have seen all of those because she was in because she was in real time there she didn't see that the so she was in real time when Gira him also showed up right no because like if because how not huh how I'm not like I'm I'm not following so so please explain I'm because if she had to remember that she had the bracelet in the first place then that had to have happened right for it to make sure it's like you see I would tell you we're gonna I was gonna see you again but the only way she could remember that is if they had to go back to the past and change that because she didn't remember that before but she remember that when she got back right or what did she not remember or did she just not say anything about it though why would she not say anything about it though like she's really like waiting for Zola to die like not all that for her to come back to die because she knew that she was gonna come back yeah just one last one last goodbye because why not no I don't buy that we're trying to place a timeline split in an era that's literally called the unified timeline that's it like and and I know that's just a verbiage thing and that's an issue with it but the ending of Skyward Sword hammers in constantly that it is not a split because if it were a split when we came back like none of the events would have grues wouldn't be on the surface demise wouldn't have to have been sealed in the ceiling no none of that would have happened no it's the same rules as awkward of time because if link did all that and went back to the past then the past would have been different wouldn't he but they still went and did a split and it even had a what if split like downfall adult and child I also need to remind everyone yeah that nintendo introduced the idea that if link dies that can be a split they literally introduced that knockering of time and he failed yeah split so let's say he killed him in the present and then he went back in the past and he died that would be another timeline that we don't experience I got a theory on that I'm coming back in the second y'all had to handle I just had to throw that out there like I understand there's this complex way to try to get a split also Nintendo made a really easy way to split any game timeline was on purpose yeah I said it something something that I'm kind of thinking about right like what causes a timeline split and when I think about awkward time my understanding is what causes a split is the presence and or absence of link right it is the the the triforce link splits the triforce or the triforce in awkward enough time when he goes back in time because he brings the triforce of courage from the future back in time with him and it's shown on his hand and sorry that's when that's what yeah that's when ganondorf gets it and he he gets access to the sacred rump because he goes in there with him and he obtains the triforce of power so at the end well yes but when we have the end like post-credits scene of awkward of time right link goes back from the chamber of the sword to meet zelda he brings the triforce of courage that he only unlocked within himself in the future back there with him that's what causes the split in that timeline of the triforce because that moment happens before ganondorf actually went into the sacred realm so when he causes that split by bringing basically an extra piece of triforce back in time with him basically reality has to correct itself so it just automatically gives people their own respect to triforce pieces which is why in twilight princess's execution scene ganondorf didn't know he had the triforce of power it just awakens within him suddenly because when link brought that piece back in time the triforce had no choice but to basically disperse among its like chosen wielders as it were all right so that that explains the triforce split that's like that's like like staying into the ground and everything but like the whole idea of because like what Joyce was saying earlier like zelda has always been multiverse like everyone's saying different timelines different timelines this but like in order for multiverse to happen in you know what we're dealing with time travel here it's like i just said the absence or resurgence of link because link coming back from the adult timeline doesn't mean the adult timeline goes away it goes on without it right and then him coming to the back to the past and change the events to be using the triforce of courage as proof as it was noted in the books he's like hey why why would the king and zelda believe it because he was actually sent there before he met zelda right and then he's like why would you believe my story of like gander's attack or i have the triforce so like that's me telling you and then that's how gander was subjugated arrested and then eventually executed but it's not that he brought the triforce with him the triforce was the was the proof of his story right but the triforce itself is not what breaks the timeline because the triforce as shown with that split it's a constant so like if at any point that it's not complete it has to be complete if it's not complete it has to find its way into other people and when it is complete then it's complete it's you know that but in the absence of link either dying or just eliminating himself from the timeline completely like he did when he went back into the past that's what creates timeline a splits not exactly you know the triforce going here the triforce is going there all right now i really do accept that i think the downfall timeline was done on purpose for sure oh absolutely i think i think link lost on purpose and kind of going back to what andres was saying that's an eventuality that he i think adult link planned for like well what if i don't win i can win i always win because i'm link but what if i don't oh that margarita is kicking in yeah we put that class it hits me because i'm gonna be like oh shit pick up the water okay so but it's because the thing about it is like what if i don't win you know what happens and then we have uh i know there's other things that happen uh in in between but then there's wind waker where we find the goddess will find a hero so um it's not from links bloodline is not necessarily from links it's links i guess spirit line what's the right term because if we don't have a biological link because some links are related i know people get mad at me when i say that but some links are biologically related and then there's some that are you know it's just spirit of the hero and y'all and y'all feel free to correct correct me because y'all make videos on this i just be playing shit yeah you know something that's interesting i don't even know this debate about this um it's just kind of like thinking about like what qualifies as a spirit of the hero like does the spirit of the hero mean that personality reincarnated in a different body or is it just kind of mean like the mission of a just a different the one who has the balls to do it seriously because you tell me i got to go face the big ugly a crazy pig man baby i got shit to do no but basically what i'm asking is like so like when like the hero wins is if he's not the same person as the hero of time like they are just two different people you know they were like in the same time they would be two different people they could be friends they could have a dialogue they just so happen to take on the same role for the respective times that yes and no because it's never really like outwardly stated like the criteria of the spirit of the hero only that it's something that inhibits all link and that it's heavily implied that if links are blood related then the spirit of hero passes on to him but then he stopped to prove himself through trials and tribulations or whatnot and when there isn't a blood relative available then the spirit of hero either is cultivator or reveals itself within that of a new hero you know i.e hero wins the hero from a link to the past moving forward or whatnot but uh to what you're saying like oh if they were to be friends i really doubt there could be like oh two heroes in existence because like the master's orders man power wars that game okay but correct me if i'm wrong though two heroes did kind of co-execute all tech yeah i mean talking the heroes uh the hero shade or the old man from a link between worlds both okay so like it's heavily applied with the whole with the old man right it's like outright confirmed heavily raviol is like a dip like it's raviol not link you know raviol is definitely not spirit of the hero but he was he was a self-proclaimed self-express coward so everybody in low rule has a that like it's like they're doppelganger it's like they're total but it but they're total opposite yeah right we also have um four swords and i guess they're like more like clones right they're clones yeah it's a it's the sword splitting link into four i love how we haven't even gotten to teal the tears of the king i know i don't even get back to anything it's just because i got some questions we should go back to that all you guys so i got a spoiler cast right we went up the rails with like the timeline it was bound to happen it was bound to happen can i please ask a question no i asked i asked me this i want y'all because y'all are even better than me with the lord why link ain't got no shirt on at the end of tears of the kingdom please explain oh no it's no nintendo knows there are all weirdos all right so they're like no it's like we gotta keep the hands at you on the top and the and the and wherever he's wearing on his head gotta go imagine playing out the cutscene where link is saving zola and he's wearing the yuga mask i didn't know that did the rita arrive another round i did like a circuit run out i had the diamond crown circuit thing my brother brought me the margarita this is your your recipe joicie i mean i i went to play king breath while i go straight to gannon run and i ended that run in just literally whatever clothes i could find and i looked like they had the most ridiculous outfit i had some skinny pants on i had the phantom armor like the bulky ass fan so like i looked goofy as hell at the end of it so yeah i think ancient case point is yeah they're like no goofy i was like you're the hero of hyrule and it looks linked and he's just like wearing this goofy ass outfit right uh so yeah like like just gotta make just gotta make link look reasonable so we can see his face exactly okay if you want the real reason how i want to replace his arm if he's wearing a shirt contact is also they got to take his shirt off that's fair that's a good point so they can fix his arm how that works i don't know i'm not gonna know how they fit that border was sort of how they how they fix the arm oh i got i go in so i don't okay oh wait oh wait i mean i have a possible explanation as well in that his arm wasn't actually destroyed raru is unreliable raru in the fact he's he doesn't know what he's talking about half the time but his arm was always there the arm was in there yeah it was like underneath i came down from the heaven over top of arm i don't know what i'm doing yeah he also is like well zelda you came from a future he doesn't have energy about you were never in the past and then ganondorf yeah absolutely recognized zelda at the beginning of the game so she always it's a paradox time travel is weird so yeah raru does the zone i in general we are like why are there these three zone i and where did the rest go and okay only you three came down speaking weird tech and then ancient stuff where did all the zone not zone i excuse me where did all the um what was the last game what was it called last game she got where else she could go yeah there's a bunch of things they just gave like an explanation and like oh it like disappeared somewhere but they at least i didn't see any explanation of the capper i literally got the number one video on youtube he's the number one video on youtube for this theory okay yeah caps about the sleigh go where did she get that so first of all um things stopped working at the end of breath the wild that much is very clear very okay so yes also all this stuff lying around this is like superpower weapons of mass destruction lying around right yeah that just terrorized your kingdom for a century you're going to want to remove it like you're not going to want to leave it lying around because if calamity shows up again he's just going to that's a free army waiting for him like they like we just learned this lesson right so they start dismantling it they repurpose what they can to build things like the sky view towers which are built out of you've got uh pedestals from the shrines you've got pieces of divine beasts in there you've got guardian legs that come up to secure you that's all repurposed sheikah technology right there's another chunk of it that was probably eaten by gannon and i say eaten in that there are chasms there are a good not all of them but a good handful of chasms that exist in the exact spots that shrines were in breath of the wild so the theory is that whatever they hadn't gotten around to yet dismantling gannon said hey he's basically learned the same lesson because he always learns from his defeats he said hey this is the technology that i killed link in the past a hundred years later they use this technology to wake him back up he went to all these shrines to rebuild his strength and stuff and then he came back and kicked my specters my ghostly specters mass and annihilated calamity again and i'm going to get rid of this stuff too so he used gloom deployed it from the depths and swallowed up and disintegrated whatever sheikah tech was left in the ground so while you're in the underground there were some shrines there were some shrines left still and then okay that's a fair that's a fair actually it's a theory well that that helps explain factors yeah my my my comment was going to be well how the hell did they get because like what is it they i think it's like five years or something like that between then and uh when it's never always people are like it's around that you can play based on Madison kid Madison looks about seven or eight yeah so i had thought that that's a good point is a lot of people are like madison is seven years five eight years and i've said and i've combed through all of the text i agree nowhere is her age actually specified so all there's a reason they strategically did that they do strategic i so i i actually made a video on this right um and i watched that one too it and it's and the the fact matters we don't we don't know the answer from what everything i've seen right Madison is our best tell but we don't know her actual age but there's another character age up to yeah like drooling hoko and um cast his kids yeah reju looks like a woman now as opposed to a teenager i mean there's some debate where's cast where is cast his daughters are still but we also don't know about Madison though real i'll say this we don't know how the race is age and we don't know what a year there is that that part is true that part is true but other than like it is implied right that Gerudo girls when if they're born outside of the Gerudo village they have to head over before they start to fancy men mm-hmm so the idea is that they go there shortly before puberty now if you look up the average puberty ages and woman right like you know that can make that's our world not there second very yeah and we don't know when Gerudo right now i have a woman and i can tell you right now it's it can be anywhere i'm as scary as it sounds it could be anywhere from nine nine to two up to eighteen correct so you wanted to make sure it happens she's obviously not eighteen though before that yeah definitely not my theory on the age and uh because like everyone's looking at Madison and then like oh Madison didn't exist in breath of the walls like how old is she now and like here's the thing comparing it with the other characters that we've seen that actually aged up i'm honestly thinking the ballpark of three to four years but they're like oh but Madison is walking around and like look how big she is i'm like yeah and she's also a Gerudo girl who are known to be like very tall that's a very good point right that's what i mean her height is not really what i take into account so much as like things like her speech and yeah her reading and writing capabilities multiple languages yeah that's true but kids are language sponges kids are absolutely language sponges um and so we're comparing this too much to the real world being bilingual what else do we have the fantasy made up universe but she can be too strong we know like yeah okay can we all agree can we all agree that Zelda that zelda and link are at the fairy amen yes yeah there's one there i think they're 25 i think that's like that's like oh i'm gonna go like this like i'm gonna go like this all right we know they're at least a hundred because a hundred years past yeah as i'll say they're either he's physically yeah they're in their 20s they're in their 20s yeah can we also agree that they're like they're together yeah yeah if you if you want to deny they're together then you're just that's because you don't want them that's you because you don't want to literally took his house like come on obvious yeah their house their house their house house okay just to give y'all this perspective me and my boyfriend been together probably i think it's going on like 16 years yes we're not the married couple i have issues so here's the thing i have my own place he has his own place i love him more than anything i would literally die for this man i really would but you know my place is my place and you know that his place well you know he lived here well to back up your point here and that's what us girls do so that's how i knew they would they take over yeah with zelda and link living together in that house right she contracted bolson to build her a secret room to get away to be able to go study in peace if she if link didn't live there with her if she lived alone why would she need that she has her own you know and why is he took all this cool swords off the wall yeah anyways and so my headcanon is that link just went and gave him back to to everybody that's why siden has me fuzzled spear and etc etc so but he just but like the flames or come on i keep a flame i always put champions arms up there you know it's funny the game is so aware that there's this part where you in the gerudo area when you get your shimtar your bro's and shimtar and date breaker where the jeweler says i expect you to use these items yeah and i'm like not a going in new house they know oh no no no no no the shim the shimtar the six that that weapon is that's the lionel rhino lionel rider weapon was that with with the lionel saber horn yep oh yeah 139 let's go beautiful and then you toss that sucker into a rock to rock to get a see if you can get that attack boost if you can if i'm not i'm not here playing i have to myself can we go through the story because i want y'all to explain it to me because i've had a oh yes so i by the way mate please jump in because you know hi i'm moderating i'm good okay can i can i can i give the story synopsis please do all right cool so i'm gonna speak a little bit generally but yeah so beginning game you're in the bottom of the castle you and zealot are jumping around dupe dupe do you're discovering the lore of what actually happened with the calamity war of the demon king get to the bottom of the castle you find the demon king being sealed by hand and i guess by crazy random happenstance because the gloom was leaking out so much the seal was breaking in the moment you get there it finally breaks completely and hell literal hell is unleashed from across the world you fall into a pit with zelda zelda poofs away because she picked up cool little little tear-looking stone and then you and you go away as well and you're saved by the arm that was sealing in the demon king what is the is there a time frame of how long it's been since the since that and then when you wake up in the great skyline it could be anywhere from like two seconds to like i want to say it's like i want to say it's weeks i want to say yeah enough time that they know link and zealot have gone missing yeah they made posters they made yeah they may post i don't say i feel like it's been like a week or so at least you wake up in the great skyline raaru teaches you basically it's another great tutorial great you know great plateau bada bing bada boom you get your cool abilities cool abilities you get are you get uh uh you get ultra hand which lets you it's basically magnesium but you can do it with anything uh that it doesn't happen you get to build transformers yeah yeah you get cubits you get uh what are the other oh my gosh what are they all i'm blanking uh you get timer ascent yeah so you can if there is a ceiling above you and it's uh within a reasonable distance you can just straight up phase through the ceiling and get up on that ledge it's pretty yeah the steam's escape rope yeah you really do get an escape rope but it's pretty it's pretty nice i don't lie funny that was a debugging feature that they left in because they're like okay we don't see any yeah this is the no they're like we don't like backtracking they're not gonna like backtracking especially because they took out revolver's gale which we'll get to but yeah uh you get time reversal which when there's objects in motion that you can ultra hand you can also use a time reversal technique on said objects to recall them yeah to wherever that you where they were in the past it's a pretty complex and impressive system honestly especially for the nintendo switch uh what is the last one that i'm forgetting uh fuse you get that later so with ultra hand you can fuse said objects that you move around together and make a big structures and and like contraptions and weapons as well yeah oh yes sorry yeah weapon and then you also get weapon fuse where you can fuse items to either your sword or your shield or your arrows or and literally just about anything yeah literally anything literally it's kind of impressive it's pretty fun um get down from skyline there's four corners that where there's great nature travesty's happening uh i'll do them in the order i went in so you go to the the north north like we skipped a major event i know you're talking about generalities zelda done let's get well well for starters uh uh before we get before we get down there the master sword vanishes and ends up in oh yes zelda's hand where is zelda what is going on yeah i'm so sorry yeah when you were fighting the demon king or when you first encounter him you use your sword but the sword shatters and so you give your sword away when you before you go to the surface to what we presume to be at least as lake presumes to be zelda and zelda and a time before gets it and is like all right i'll heal it uh and we'll figure out what that is and it's like i got this yeah that's crazy i already took all your other weapons away from you off your wall yeah exactly it's so it's so sad the little desolate little little chode of a sword you get out it tried it the best leave it alone hey it was right it was hey i took out like two enemies with it come on no this is still kicks a mess those contrasts yeah um so then there's the the great weather calamity things that are happening in the world again you go to the north east north west excuse me you go to the rito village you go all the way up in the sky and you meet up with tulien who is the the new sage of wind and you you go and you go to the sky boat which is my this is my favorite dungeon and also boss fight in the game by the way uh and you fight music is ace ace it's great it's fantastic it's also just a cool spectacle of a boss fight um you beat that and then you find out you get this the same cutscene four times over throughout the game about the demon king and how the sages were like yeah we're gonna beat him and then they don't beat him um yeah and you do the same thing in the an ellen volcano with uh with uh what's his name you know you know go you know that's it gotta stop the drug crisis yeah that's all right yeah what i saw like they did not do this that's great i thought that was awesome well soon as i realized it was drugs i'm like this is great this is yes nintendo did anybody go to the stable right before that area and saw see all the guys in their underpants yeah i was going around teasing uh those of you guys that have livestreams that i made if i'm able to attend i was like just remember when you go to get to elden it's underpants and demon possession because that's exactly what it was like really yeah i didn't i wanted to find a better way to than to say drug use because i felt like that was clearly giving it away yeah so it this was like week two of of the game being out yeah so yeah you go there you deal with the drug the drug crisis then you go to uh the sidon's area with the water where the where there's something's pooping out of the sky dragging some mud yeah a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot of sludge fall from the sky you go up with sidon and you which arguably i really wish sidon's ability wasn't better i think his is the weakest and it makes me yeah i agree it's just it's also the worst dungeon in the game as well i have no i agree with that i go water temple water temple the worst dungeon in goren temple is right there no i love i love our temple is better you get to ride rola coasters in the fire temple ain't nobody got time for that man i love that i love that no no bro out here and try and make me use your stupid ass donkey kong carts man i really use ascend am i glider and i'm like get me out of this dungeon some water that's the beauty of it is the air bike it is air bike everywhere through it's i love that the water dungeon was amazing i love the water it was it was too easy it was low gravity though it was it was less complicated than inside the time honestly here's a thing siden makes a better character and a better i love siden yes no yes but the water temple was not that can we talk about it because i didn't realize on the one on the one that you could undo the sludge on the thing to get a wind gust to blow the object up to the other sky island this is like the one that's on the left so this whole time i'm trying to use platforms and like build weird contraptions at a time that i wasn't very good at building and i probably spent like two hours failing at that before i realized what you were supposed to do do you want to know what the best part of the water temple was siden in terms of in terms of explorable environments i'm sorry andrey no we're good all right we're good oh the floaty stuff that part is solid but the best part to me was under the lake yes oh yeah the ancients or waterworks that they should have just expanded that and made that the dungeon oh my down there is so good yeah i would have liked that a lot more than being in the sky i feel like the water temple should have been a space dungeon should have been the space temple listen man listen dlc if the space there's gonna be the space yeah we see we went in the tiers we forgot the outer space here though yeah we have one more each expansion pass is a new tier rosalina shows up and yo let me ask you guys a question right because you know if you make videos right there are people in comments and say hey you shouldn't say this you shouldn't do that so you kind of i'll forget those people things well we what yeah forget those the secret stones for the longest time i just called them tiers because they look like tears the motive of tears of the kingdom is tears i felt like it was pretty fair to still call them tears i call them secret stones now because that's still accurate it's more accurate and that way people don't get mad at me but they're still tears to me agree or disagree for tears yeah no hundred years shape they're magatama they're they're i it's it's intentionally they're they're intentionally made that it's intentionally looking like tears like it's not like the dragon is freaking crying as you're standing in a little place of violent princesses yeah let's get to that so created by the secret stone rum chada look they ain't playing it look i was trying to think i think like do we have a five dollar super chat i'm already drinking so i'm like the shots are five dollars and i'm like what's the weakest alcohol next to me at the moment that's what i got that's valid that's valid so if it's not my marmalade a recipe if you put rum chada mix a mix a little bit of milk with that and then like crumble like an Oreo in it it makes it really nice like creamy martini nice dude i put some rum chada with Oreo in a milkshake oh so good that sounds beautiful so i want to talk about i we're just going right in directions right there's no i didn't finish this enough i'm so close yeah okay all right so last place yeah we're two you know we're three that was three oh sorry so last there's the next the best one best on the group yeah which is yeah that was a pretty good dungeon lighting temple for the win yeah that's probably it's my second favorite but it's it's still it's a very close second if they will uh there's the lighting temple in the grotto desert you have to solve their problem where a bunch of zombies are are hoarding the village and it's and there's a giant sand storm and it's crazy best in the game yeah you solve everybody's problems there's two other things that you you can potentially do is like a side quest that you don't have to beat the game but is highly recommended for you to beat the game and kind of completes the story one is the drag and tear quest so there's these weird higher glyph things all over the map you go and you explore all them try to do them in order because you can do them out of order and it kind of is crazy that you can do them out of order but you do do them in as best the order as you can there's a there's a way to do that there's a in the temple of time there's like a circle that shows them all um and you basically get the story of like how the demon king war happened where this old ganon was born and he and how zelda fell into the old timeline or like back into the past met raru and uh sophia sophia sonia sonia my bad sonia uh from there they meet ganon ganon's like i'm gonna take over high rule and then raru's like no you're not and so they don't and he pledges his allegiance and by pledging his allegiance he means he stabs his wife in the back um no no no he punches her and breaks it's a punch damn it's a it's a final punch it's a real back break yeah yeah um so ganon uh oh my gosh what's her name quinn stacy's uh let's just sonia sonia i'm sorry i like sonia and he gets his own power stone and becomes the demon lord very very demise looking everybody thought he was demise leading up to this game yeah yeah yeah um so you learn that backstory and to save everybody so they all confront the demon king and lose right that's what we've learned in the temples at that point we uh didn't you try zelda's like i only have one last option so she takes her stone eats it and becomes a dragon it's so sick it's so goddamn cool i was i was losing my shit when this happened she becomes a literal dragon and she puts the sword in her forehead and heals the mask wait what she becomes a dragon there's dragons in this oh come on yeah sorry there's the big spoiler guys there's the big one would you still love me if i was a worm i know literally the all those videos so you that's that's that's that's optional story main story thing number one optional main story thing number two uh there's a fifth temple technically in the game uh what is it called is it the spirit temple spirit temple yeah um also a big thing that we had talked about there's a third layer to the world called the depths and you can do and it's basically another fucking overworld area that you could explore and find cool things and rematch old dungeon bosses and find new dungeon bosses and yada yada yada very cool very fun so you go to the depths or there's like a quest for in the sky then you go to the depths uh you get the oh what's her what's her name what's the spirit's name minoru minoru you you interact with minoru and minoru is like hey i'm in a mech bot come build this mech bot thing and you can ride me around and use me as a mech bot which was also uh pretty freaking sweet so you get the mech bot and she is technically the fifth sage that you collect in the game uh at that point you can just go and defeat gannon which he's hiding somewhere but he's just under gannon he's just under the castle again you just go down there and like find the hole and you're like oh he's like literally in the same place you left yeah he's literally in the same place like where is he he's just exactly where you've found him before that i missed that what'd you say the puppet part where you go to the castle the puppet part that i know you have to do the castle part where you fight puppet zelda i still wish you fought her i wish you fought phantom gannon at like you fought zelda instead of fighting gannon that would have been emotionally recovered from that i would yeah that would have stopped the game right there's some serious spoilers right now i'm about to start yeah this is like some serious yes i'm playing it yet like so all right drive safe you're good i don't want okay and there's more of this in the fridge on the counter okay remind anyone to refill up buddy this is very strong i'm gonna have not driven a lot today he can drive he can't drive home uh i'm not going on over here i'm about to beat up my neighbor but real quick don't let him drive home these are not you you can't drive home daniel no you can't i said no your couch crashing tonight by your couch crashing your couch because he's getting the game it's on the couch do not let this fool you okay do not let this move taste fool you it with it oh no this is great this is great great yeah uh-huh see how you feel in about 20 minutes no i'm don't worry i'm a big boy no you're gonna no you're gonna feel fabulous you're gonna feel fabulous yeah we're talking zelda it's a double high let's go anyway all right i need direction plan was saying what there's so much peace i'm sorry you go and fight gannon it's a freaking epic boss fight you get to the boss you you get to the perian you you get to you know what is it uh fury you fury rush him and then he fury rushes you back and you're like what i don't know you could do that i never never and the best part the best part of this boss fight in my opinion is when he turns into the demon king and his health bar just keeps going to the other side of the screen i didn't think they would ever do that at any nintendo that's like some totally hot shit that's some undertale shit i thought i was like oh no this is we're gonna die this is it anyways you beat that phase and then you go into a more what's more of like you know the the spectacle phase three than anything but that's also a really badass part he does with zelda and he eats his tear and he becomes a big dragon but then plot twist zelda comes to and then you have this two dragon battle and you're stabbing the dragon's little pimples and then finally you put the sword in his head and as we were saying earlier kablooey big old nuke and scene there is a lot more her really yeah we have a we have a crying it's not even the end of the gameplay there's still more gameplay and then you gotta catch zelda exactly zelda you you zelda's back zelda she's not a dragon anymore large scale recall large there you go fly through the sky massive recall it's so far left of this weird race that we still don't know that much about yeah really dlc baby i feel like that's what they're gonna do in the dlc is like explore like zonai stuff more i just want to that's probably what it's gonna be i've seen a lot of theories that like park gonna explore the dragons the ferocious nature and first nature and then raw i would say if if if this is how the dragons are always made then it's like what are the we'll have to get to like the stories of those people and how they they went there will not be dlc don't know okay don't say that don't make crush my dreams like that have reasons his dad works at nintendo guys come on yeah my friend worked at nintendo i'm gonna eventually work at nintendo like seriously well i mean hell yeah i already wrote a zelda script and now i'm working on the second one remember just to send me the dms via discord whenever you see the metro or donkey kong promotional material just no what's gonna happen is you're just going to get the mysterious dude at your at your doorstep that's like are you want to restart please sign here and that's it that's it and then when you get a mysterious uh invitation to the oscars oh yeah uh yeah i'm i'm that good um i'll take it i'll take it i'll take it i'll take it for the movies that good i'll take it i love it yeah anyway as you might get me to go to the yeah uh yeah so just a little thing about about the the recall part at the end i just think it's really poetic um you look at breath of the wild right so like the big part of the promotion so the first teaser is like jumping to the air using the bow right the bow is a big kind of like focus of his abilities and then to the kingdom you look at like there is a statue that had the recall symbol right uh recalls the most important ability you kind of get in terms of story and it's something that zella learns to use it's something so many you use it's something that you use at the end um well it's not confirmed but it's high it's it's implied based on the gold particles and all that the zell has brought back so i just kind of like the kind of like poetry of all that it's kind of like a like a you know yeah it's full circle you know recall the beginning recall at the end it brings her back pretty frickin i just really like that we always get zelda back but we know but we lose somebody else that's just the way the games have always been set up good thing they're supposed to be dead a long time ago anyway in manurals case that's why i didn't hurt as much who we really lost was wolf link that's true we just get a pile of meat now it's so sad i'm like where's my wolf zella how many secret stones are there seven at least 11 are there seven yeah at least there's seven confirmed 11 implied because of the the the dragons oh okay i see but they're you know there could be more we don't well actually at least 10 overlapping at least 10 zeldas is an overlap yeah zeldas or sonias are overlaps correct well no zelda has a yeah zelda's raw there and then gander takes sonias oh that's what oh yeah sorry i understand and i was mistaken i think it's 10 right because you have the seven sages it's three dragons secret stones for its respective yeah it's 10 zelda because zelda throws it off because she jumps in i'm always been confused i'm right because it was raaru's hand right that was holding him down so why would it be raaru's secret stone it is like it it is it is okay phones are universal though they know how sonia's power yeah zelda's okay different the secret stones they don't grant you new abilities they only so zelda finds raaru's secret stone yeah and then it it like changes when she remaps it it changes it remaps raaru's secret stone i would argue yeah but yes yeah uh it changes from being white to gold basically when zelda gets it so there's no wait i thought zelda had both and zelda so no she is minoru states that she has both time and light powers but the stone is only amplifying her time power that's because she's like a descendant of them to both of them both yeah that's why she has both powers because she's a descendant a descendant of both though does that then explain away her goddess powers and breath of the wild yeah i was i tried for it but the try force wasn't in this game yeah like it was in this game the color scene always when zelda is killing the master sword the try force is glowing like all hell on the back of her hand and the power is coming out of the try for symbol and going into the master so does she have the full try using the try force to like where is like the physical that's not the try force that we gotten like awkward in a time like where is that we we it's still happening so like the try force the try force is like the try force still on account for in breath of the wild and in tears of the kingdom the symbol that appears on link on on like on zelda's hand is just to signify that she is able to use the sacred power that has been passed on throughout the what i call princess the mark of the try force does not designate if you have the try force or not we've seen multiple incarnations of link have the mark but not the try force right so it's her piece of the time for it's her sacred power that she just her piece into that so how do we know she does she well the thing like is it just on the hand because in breath of the wild it's also in the air briefly like when she activates it it shines for a brief moment but it's not directly out state to be the try force it's just like our power like it like they don't it's been so long and their historical records suck so bad that all this stuff is like lost to legend and myth but then retroactively if raro was the first to found high rule then you know he would talk about the try force he would say like oh yeah we have to make sure we keep this hand or not but like now he descended with different stones unless the secret stones are just more powerful than the try force so there's a big duke around that it's implied that their offshoots or at least created from the try force or from the same entity because they're passed down from the same gods that the zoni the sums just descended from but like it's one of those there's so much mystery there there's so much unknown with the actual zoni origin story but see i have a question so the thing about it is is that i've this is the way i've interpreted this so you guys tell me from mom um link and zelda from skyward sword they found it the land but then zoni came along and they were the the actual king and queen of and named it high rule no there's there's so many what happened i'm saying it's a reboot so yeah there's either that it's a reboot and it's like the other stuff's not even direct like link to this technically i'm so glad there's also this is like i'm so happy what you're saying like ocarina time and win waker and uh the drawers mask and like every zelda game before this other than skyward sword took place before breath of the wild so it wasn't or yeah and before tears the kingdom so it wasn't the king it wasn't the kingdom of high rule as like we knew it in those games or as we knew it that's a theory that's because yeah joey so you're not wrong these are just these are different ideas yeah and my theory is is just rebooted the whole franchise so i want to i want to kind of go over where i want to go over my food in skyward so i'm kind of understanding of this right like i just kind of set set it so we know like where i stand on this right i kind of and again like you know i i've as that we didn't know to be in the podcast everyone has different theories right and you can you can kind of pick and choose right like does zelda have the triforce does she just have the representation of the wisdom part like there's there's just so much room for debate and even if in regards to which side there's still mysteries like it's just it's just the way it is sure but um my perspective of the of the timeline place some of the memories i kind of take what rara and queen sonia say at face value they say they're the founders of high rule okay they're the founders of high rule which on on its surface implies that this takes place after the events of skyward sword because skyward sword the founding of high rule has not occurred yet yep yeah that i was talking about though people debate if this is the first founding of high rule or you know they just kind of ignore everything and that's kind of like an interesting conversation but just to kind of stick to this idea that this takes place after skyward sword i like the idea that the memories take place um literally as the true first founding of high rule and there's some interesting kind of details that sort of support this but of course there's debate uh one is for example um ganondorf has two companions they are talking coame and call me and go talk yeah yeah there's several signs that show this and they're young and in their prime and what's really interesting about this is that in arcane of time when they pass away uh we learn i forget where but i know we there are supposed to be about a 400 some years old yeah they when they're bickering when they're dying they're like i'm only 500 it is like no i'm only 400 it's like yeah i'm only 280 right we're 20 it's hilarious but what's cool about that is that based off like what we understand like arcane of time could be taking place about 400 years after the founding of high rule so it does fit so you have to assume either it like so the possibilities are that this is what it is um or b um it's a recurring of events to some extent kind of like what you're talking about earlier hmk how certain things can happen but in a slightly different way or they just decided to not really care at all and they rebooted everything and they just kind of put in details for us to kind of argue for no reason i but we're doing a sport game that came out months ago yeah like yeah i'm just gonna stay i think it's a really trap because as as i was playing through the game there's just certain stuff that like doesn't make sense within the context of what's already been tell me and i'll argue i'll try every other point oh here we go here that's why every that is so right captain like that that is so right yeah but tell me them and i'll try and i'll try against it just because first one what are the secret stones where do they come from space nope that's such a bad idea another plane of existence why can the power that ganondorf has amplified by a secret stone destroy the master sword oh i got this this sword that is supposedly 10000 years of training in anger i love this i like to solve the puzzle i actually have a video about this coming up tomorrow oh there we go solve the puzzle let's get a preview let's go yeah so as we all know the master is divine in origin and somewhat in nature if we're going by what like how it's created in scouting right uh got a sword it was forged by the gods highly and then reforged uh using the purifying flames of the goddess and then the final blessing of hyla in order to make it the true master sword right so why hasn't it broken up before when gander of his class would get what link has clashed with gannon gander for all forms of evil time and time again it's because gander for smart and because he was empowered by a secret stone first a lot of people gloss over what is actually stated in breath of the wild and in multiple Zelda games that not only is the master sword mapped only to link it also acts as his counterpart and a reflection of himself right when he sustains damage it sustains damage and we've seen that in breath of the wild right link's arm was dismantled so badly that his heart his health got reduced reduced to three hearts which is way below the 13 he was supposed to have when wielding this sword right and it could be argued him having the 13 hearts by getting all like you know defeating bosses going through the trials in the sheikah shrines that is him proving his worth as a hero and you know he was a hero back then when he first originally uh pulled it out of the sword but when he had to pull it out of the pedestal in breath of the wild he had to prove himself with 13 hearts so if his heart's reduced down to three that kind of puts his own heroism into question but not like that's also applying the fact that him his body was severely damaged to that point so the master was reflecting that damage and it was also had a piece of like you know gloom stuck to it as well and we have to consider that even though gloom which is also like the same kanji for darkness is evil in nature just like you know when arguing all or the tears or the secret stones offshoots of the triforce which do not distinguish between good and evil the zonai secret stones are divine in nature which puts them at you can put some like equal footing to clash with the master and possibly shatter it if it was depowered if it was weakened by what we saw with link's own body and you know the uh yeah the the the gloom on the master sword and there was one back of your point when you're done i'll throw in a couple pieces but keep going there was one last thing i forgot to put put on oh why hasn't it broken before because a lot of times when link had to face ganondorf why couldn't ganondorf just do the thing that ganondorf did here when he had the triforce it's because link always had some for some sort of divine blessing or a sacred guard in order to shield him from that possibly as we see in our career of time we had the triforce of courage even though the waves of darkness was affecting navi it wasn't really affecting him so there okay i have a detail after you guys like i'm going to add to that point um like when tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow no i'm just saying i look forward to it uh when ganondorf first attacks link or he goes for zelda first right with this this this attack of gloom uh link initially is fully able to use the master sword to deflect that blow like completely and it doesn't break like that it is only after it attacks and and mangles link's arm that the master sword is vulnerable and then by the same token when you face ganon again at the end of the game he's not able to break it in that final battle either because link is you know full of vitality even stronger than he was i don't i don't think that's why it's also part of that's why the sword's the most powerful even more powerful because of zelda i think that's healing it yeah did your guys's um mind didn't break through that whole yeah through the whole thing it will not break my mind is always broken so that adds to h in case theory yeah in in the ganondorf fight it will not break at all it's like it's it will not break yeah it will break during the broken in breath of the wild it broke in uh in the demon king army fight it will break there lose power yeah but it will not break during the ganondorf fight yeah well okay i remember it break in breath of the wild it just got depowered for a moment but if it can get damaged it's broken yeah if i wake up but that's not it's not the same i'm sorry i'm sorry we're talking about like oh it will like it when facing ganondorf it will not run out of erin g but facing calamity again it will run out of erin g but also like link being hurt like you could be at one heart and it's still not gonna do anything i think that the reason it doesn't break in the end is because it's literally told in the story is that is that zelda the whole reason she did the dragon thing is because she was trying to power up the master sword yep to a point that it's never been like more powerful than the sword has ever because it's it takes time it takes a lot of time with sacred power to power up the sword and while it wasn't what we perceived to be the max power in breath of the wild then at the end of the game we we've just never needed it to be more powerful because it's never rested in a place long enough to get the strongest version of ganondorf yes this is ganondorf yeah yeah that that too that by the way and with me thinking it's a reboot anyways i just kind of go we can argue that a lot of those other games are happened and if they never happened and this is the only ganondorf that's ever existed and he's been sealed all this time we have a story in breath of the wild about how the calamity version of him came forth before and they were able to beat him back that's why the sheikah tech was created they beat him back at some point the calamity version they didn't know about the version underneath hydro castle they beat back the time whether they did it with link or without link i don't know but the sheikah tech existed at one point to fight back and then obviously he came back again and then and this time link existed and that's what maybe kicked off all the events that were eventually going to lead ganondorf because what are we here in tears of the kingdom raru was told because of zelda about link and that link he might be the one that can you we can't beat him maybe link can and we just need to get this to link's time link is the last line of defense and he told gannon to his face remember that name can i say i'm disappointed that that line that zelda said link i don't think you can do it this time when does she say that oh she doesn't want to remember this yeah he doesn't want to remember in the which memory is it in the master sort of time i really recorded it today again yeah okay i couldn't i have all the memories i'm like well i can find it so when she she's like all despondent inside the temple of time she's just remembering what happened where raru is stealing away and then giving him life and he's like link i don't think you'll be able to beat him and then her power starts going off and then she finds the master sword in the master okay so that's it's not a dramatic that's probably in context matters because she was thinking damn link doesn't have to master sword i'm not yeah wasn't even so it didn't feel as dramatic as as as they set it up to be yeah so that's probably why it totally overlooked it because it didn't it didn't feel dramatic i mean so what's interesting about it is that while the context does help to explain why she lacked faith in him she didn't really lack faith in most of circumstances but it is all her the reason she's like that is because she's seen just how strong he is so by the way who was it that suggested maybe gander was not as i'm kind of curious what your perspective is that gander was not what that he could gander might not like in in tears of the king that he's not maybe as strong as he's ever been i mean in a like capacity as the full triforce exactly this there's versions of him that have all the all three pieces okay yeah that's it yeah i think i think that's the thing is a secret stone it's the triforce we default to the triforce and yet this ganondorf without the triforce did more than any prior ganondorf maybe you need a new to believe that the secret stones might actually be more powerful did he do more or was he you know like he was he was held in place by someone who didn't have the triforce for like tens of thousands of years right like roger just like pinned him down yes why another one has a secret stone he was held down by another secret stone yeah i mean why would he have another secret stone to hold him down i think and he was seated multiple people with secret stones theory the other thing is like with with um ganon also you have to remember he takes he doesn't just like break your heart so you can just eat or get a fairy he takes away your life yeah if you get down to zero you're done so here's something something i want to kind of get at right in the memories that that time it's ganondorf but there is no link or zelda and he's supposed to kind of come around when there's a leak in zelda my speculation unless dlc comes later down the road and kind of debunks that is that well sonia and raaru kind of take the place of link and zelda for that respective time and with that i mean the the whole idea that raaru can't be such a beast that he could hold back and or for thousands of years or actually maybe longer i think it's pretty believable i just want to throw a little just or it's not based on the triforce at all tiny little see you mentioned not as important as it once was that there's no link and zelda and i do think that raaru and sonia fill that spot there are a lot of on the same page thematic ties between raaru and link and sonia and zelda but what i think makes things kind of more confusing is the fact that we know after if you finish all the shrines there's a specific outfit that you get yeah that is well you don't need to dodge around it this is the spoiler yeah but the ancient heroes aspect is and that's hero he's the hero in the mural that's a different time that's a different totally that was during the collect the first calamity okay that was one of them but he's a zonite right um that outfit looks exactly i need that story if anything it might be evidence towards their legacy because people debate that uh raaru and sonia didn't have any sort of offspring i think they did it was just off screen like they're clearly very mature they had to have because yeah because it's inferred that although it might be long they literally say it's blood relation yeah so like there has to be a descendant and and minaru didn't get like it ate minaru or maybe there's another zonite we just never see the whole time but according to what they say in the story in the memories everyone else is dead by that point so they never say dead they say they're not around yeah like ganondah they're dead yeah it is inferred there's more zonite somewhere else yeah but you don't we've collectively assumed they're extinct or they're dead or whatever but all we know is that they're just not around you know they're not in high rule the the zonite being the twilight theory is not deconfirmed i would say common ancestry is more likely than that exactly yeah well that's but that's what i mean though right like because the twilight weren't the twilight till it became the twilight they were just they were just magic using people um that perhaps got too close to the sun metaphor it was speaking right later so i i we're on the same page yeah sure no um brian doe brought up uh nobody's talking about zelda being part zonite no we we we totally we all get there we were just talking about we're talking raw roose descendants why she has the time and the light like she shot both because they are her adoptive parents which really just means they're her great great great great great whatever yeah it's all the way to ancestry dot com it would say her genetics would be 0.28 percent zonite yeah she's so far down that generational like well like yeah to put out those zonite genes out of here that the kingdom of hyrule's founded right and then whether we want to take the rest of the timeline into account or not because apparently apparently some people just want to write it all off um yeah at least enough time has to have passed for hyrule to become a technologically advanced civilization then a calamity happens then 10100 years happens and then its breath of the wild so we have an insurmountably huge amount of time between whenever roru and sonia's age was and whenever the present day here's the kingdom was and here's my other theory about that is that you know when it comes to um maybe uh because i know i said earlier skyward sword zelda was first or second and you know something like that i don't know y'all i'm drunk um so here's thing so think about it so think about it like this what if um linkin's uh okay so zonite were there first then link and zelda come from the sky they somehow intermix because there were other people that came from the sky as well um intermix we're talking about um genealogy we're talking about uh genealogy with zonite and hyrulean people so because thing about is even though they're not the exact same hyrule hyrulean seemed like they have the same kind of ears that's what really sticks out for me and i don't and i paid attention a little bit better um this game and i was like not everybody has the same ears depending on where you go so i'm wondering if it's a thing where it's um somebody from the zonite and somebody from skyward sword hooked up and eventually got to raaru and um sonia who eventually got to more hyrulean people and kind of went that way because because also linkin's able to look a lot alike hey now hey i know that's right i i think that's just a couple thing that's just a couple's thing you know yeah you just see a real couple's that look a lot easier they're not cousins they're not easy with the art let them be they just want to yeah they just made a good looking face and they said you know what a good face yeah if it makes you feel any better right if we assume that the hero's aspect is like the offspring or like the grandchild of um sonia and raaru he looks pretty different from the got from the the you know the princess or of that time in the tapestry so you know i want to know that story who's that guy i'm just glad i put the good guy again in theory oh right i was so tired of that uh yes i'm gonna say this right now the ancient hero a lot of people was like oh like led to this let's let's let's like hey listen we don't really have a good blueprint of what a zonite looks like all right raaru and minru despite being brothers and sisters there they got some mad differences especially with their ears and their hair and whatnot i'm saying this right now that ancient hero he just he just showed up everyone's like oh minru and so i mean minru and raaru the last zonite it wasn't really said anymore that's that's what i just said yeah and i'm like one of them like the ancient hero he just came you know what my uh my my long term off-related founder of this land you know he did something about this dude once and you know what this dude's become on a problem again yeah exactly care of it you know we'll have to rise up i want to be worshiped it's my time to shine there there is also something to be said for like characters in universe giving us information and how much do they actually know versus like our meta knowledge and stuff like that right like raaru isn't a totally reliable source exactly yeah exactly it's like there are definitely characters uh like take callip for example characters he's like a zonite researcher in this game but he does not know what he's talking about when you talked to him about all this zonite research he's just thank you he's talking about his ass all the time he's he's talking with his ego oh yeah he sounds like an expert and it's awesome yeah i believe him on my mind so there are definitely times where danondorf says like oh there's no more zoni around or whatever it's too bad huh he's being all koi in that scene just because danondorf might just be making an assumption based on the knowledge can i can i say something really quick during that scene with raaru just like listening to gandorf just say oh and you've taken a hyruleian woman and you and your sister are the only ones here bro him talking all that shit i want to throw his ass in the dungeon for saying it was it was a pretty prejudice why bro he's out of line yeah atiam k gets it i 100 percent agree i was i yo i love gandorf but i was getting heated hearing him say that shit like to the king of bro yo he was talking about his wife all of that right that speech was like out of pocket yes also it was so out of pocket like oh my god so nobody hearing the tension nobody hearing the sarcasm am i the only one hearing this am i misinterpreting this what no no you're but even raaru knows what is going on cuz zelda's like i don't trust this guy and i was like yeah duh like you never let the enemy lead you gay said put him in the dungeon yeah yeah uh 10 000 noodles uh here's the difference hylian is the ignisity hyrulean is the citizenship there you go no said that multiple times that's oh interesting yeah that's the bottom of that yeah that's that's why it's like when we talk about like this war pre-arkin time it's the hyrulian civil war because it involves uh many races within hyrule not can we please laugh at nate real quick just yes i'm always like i'm going for a number two bro hand it over nate nate back and forth across he just put the straw in it he just put the damn straw in the picture nate this is number two for me the don't don't do it number two the bra and this way it was whiskey this come join us andre come join us strong it's been it's it's real it is very real he just didn't put the strawberries in it but that's okay it's still just that doesn't change how strong it is i had to freeze the strawberry like you know it's funny what's gonna happen i'm not giving y'all no more ideas i don't know i think responsibility it's the thing is like when prime sent me when you see this on the rest of my stream for the next week you know what's up when i when i saw the listen you're just like okay tequila all right lineman right cool cool frozen strawberry i'm not getting this it was a lot it was just a lot i had to do is freeze the strawberry the strawberries were optional though i have filthy cherries so that's that's a couple cherries you're good you're perfect you're perfect i just do what you do it it's jungle juice you just put what you got in and also this is really sweet this is more like dessert so not everybody's into super sweet anyway okay so we're talking about drunk we're i just wanted to laugh at nate for a few minutes because i just saw the whole blender and i just needed everybody to laugh with but i have like there were other things i did notice um you know kind of some of this subliminal stuff i kind of like that this was the story of zelda in a way in a way she was more important now than breath like in terms of like being active in the story like she was a lot i mean she was literally part of the the font the final boss fight she was a pivotal character hell yeah the drake it was great we can hear you hmk yeah but my mic keeps on saying like hey you're at why is it what the it does sound like you're now in a different place oh it has a just my a just microphone man been drinking you've been drinking leaving me no it's a like i forgot to take off the thing that says oh i'm actually just my phone i'm like no no what are you doing live from space ladies and gentlemen did you spill a drink on it it keeps turning on yeah really and i don't know bro technology is weird i'm glad that i have that exact microphone too over there on my i want to finally got parents in a sense i mean yeah like sonia was a mother yeah rara was a father figure that was that was that was amazing and that's where they're drinking tea and um she's like starts gushing about link which is so adorable it was such a mom and dad and the guy talk yeah and and rara was like wait that's not a name i've heard before but can we talk about how tears of the kingdom is literally like one of the saddest of the games ever like oh zelda went through three mother figures in her lifetime three all i know and had to lose everything all i know is before i knew the end and i saw that that torch on the ground oh yeah that was i didn't i almost cried yeah well no sorry i did cry i can't chat's gonna hold me to it i was live streaming i cried it's all because at that point i didn't know she was coming back like i knew she was alive as a dragon obviously but i was like yeah but she's like you don't know those other dragons are flying around they didn't get to come back as something so why would she get to come back so i'm like exactly so i'm just like and this and this will be and i didn't know about the dragon fight at the end or other so i was just like man this might be like the last remnant i see of zelda ever besides the random dragon flying to the sky so it was just like uh and it's a call back to the last time that link and her were actually physically together and it's like oh no you got me nintendo you you got me with that this game does like a way better job of actually like enlisting me to care about zelda's a character because like i have historically not been a zelink shipper uh i i have i would say like okay a sky would start i can accept its canon but like yeah i don't really care about it that much sure like this is the first zelda game that has actually kick him off podcast out of me but but but also i think one thing that does help this game is that we've already had this zelda for a whole game yeah so there was another layer to because like if you think about we don't spend hardly any time is a why do we care about what zelda's doing in the it's because of everything that already happened like we already had an adventure with her sort of um or at least relived our former adventures with her and dealt with what she did in sacrificing 100 years of her life just to bring me back because i tried to save her and i got my fucking ass kicked so that was a great thing then that awakens her power because she's just fucking pissed which of course she is you kill my man because you already know at that point it was in her diary she fucking loves them so you kill my man that awakens that that awakens the power zelda said not with my man you ain't all that where it's like you know oh it wasn't that great of a story you know what breath of the wild was a perfect story in my book because the way it played out in tears of the kingdom really how emotionally attached i was showed that what they did in breath of the wild worked and we just didn't fully understand it until we saw the end of the supposed journey these two are on now i i i always argue this fact where people are like brettan wall had a bad story like no at a great story it had bad presentation that's where a lot of people can't really separate we're on the same page we're on the same page i agree yeah yeah so like you know the way it was like you know presented in the way how people digested it it was like you know sure tears of the kingdom does a very similar route but i think tears of the kingdom does it better because we're not getting context to what happened like in like what happened while link was there we're getting context or like okay how are we gonna figure out to beat this how are we gonna figure out to beat gander like well what do we need what we need to do and where's zelda right it's like unlocking the mystery of what's happening in real time rather than discovering what happened to you and your own memories so sorry i thought i did not mix that well enough it is the most good in this even worse than the first one even worse than the first one that i the blender mixed it i'm very happy with tears of the kingdom you know i i think you bring up great points like that i think the story they did a better job of telling it feel it makes even though there's memories it feels more present because while it is memories it's events that are occurring that are relevant to the ongoing story in the present right and there's right there's more characters that you kind of interact with um they have a little more personality like i think they did a lot in tears of the kingdom that really kind of appealed to um priors of the fans um and while still maintaining that opener formula so i was really i just feel like tears of the kingdom did pretty much everything right save for maybe like the seven million imprisonment war stories that were basically the same secrets telling us about dragons way too early yeah because we were everybody with the question who the fourth dragon was before the game released because we saw different pieces of it sure um and we were like is this nature or is this a different dragon we right because like from a distance i'm like yeah but yeah but i can't tell i thought it was an ovary and then when we got in the game it's like oh there's just a fourth dragon and and then what was it like third or fourth memory it's like oh there's your quantification and i'm like why you tell us now it was so they mentioned that like oh if you eat the secret stone i was like yeah i would bring that out here's the thing my brain brain washed me to like like hey no right so luckily it was still a little it still hit me when like it happened but the thing is when like uh uh mineral saw about your quantification i'm like okay that needs to become a dragon that i mean like i was going along the lines of like okay the zone are already you know drag very dragon like and i only got this cut scene until after i was hearing stories around the world of zelda acting weird right so i was going in the lane that like oh she got her stole she ate she like oh she's definitely gonna eat the stone she's gonna go through chef confecation but in that sense is like oh she still retains her appearance but then loses her sense of self it's like hey it looks like zelda but he ain't acting like zelda it's like oh that's probably like the secret stone but then after i got the cut scene where you know sony got the whole razzmatazz uh it's like oh that's um that's puppet zelda it's public zelda right so yeah i did like um how i know this is a little bit off track of the story but i so enjoyed the giga clan this time even though they're yes they're so easy they take two hits but i love master koga i was like lord of master koga he was amazing i'm like you're still in stroke but i thought that was definitely better in this game and i like that the only reason koga is even down there in the depths is because we knocked his ass down there in the last yeah i was like that's so cool can we talk about how much of a bop his boss fight theme is it's so yeah i'm listening to this i'm like yo am i playing tech in right now like this is this is nice like oh my goodness right i want to ask y'all a question oh it goes oh i was just gonna say i would i liked about master koga this time is like you're crazy you're you're kind of a joke boss in a sense but i believe you i think you really think that you're gonna win or you're helping like he has an irrational confidence in what he's doing that makes no sense to any of him and i'd like to believe that ganondorf has no idea like you're just either it's unaware or you're a master koga you're irrelevant to their their ass when i'm when i'm when i'm summoning back linals and like you ain't shit yeah even if one of the the yiga diaries it says that like the monsters in the depths will attack the yiga clans that are down there like there is no alliance yeah they just get messed up to let me build this ultimate machine i'm like dude he's whatever you're about to build the joke and let me just this so speaking of ganondorf i want to ask y'all all around the table really quick so how we feel about the laugh like oh my god that scene was so fun we're like in context it's a full anime character yeah it's so funny i loved it i absolutely loved it yeah people were like oh he looks so mean and then he looks like a like a like a like a troll face and i'm like no that's that's straight up anime laugh like whoever like did that was watching a lot of like the crazy anime like laughs in him and my favorite part about that by the way matt mercer killed it as ganondorf oh he did absolutely absolutely my favorite part about that laugh is that like it's not a mad laugh because you know how ganondorf's like and his like mad eyebrows yeah like his brow actually goes up so he's like legit happy he's like yeah that's exactly why i think it works and that is because he it just shows this moment of like he's been cool and collected and calm this whole time and now you see that underneath all of that he is unhinged like he is off his rocker he's a society yes exactly and he's not just he's a brilliant mad man that's quite literally a mad man he's not just like on a path to like meet his goals or whatever he's taking joy in killing people as well like he finds that shit fun the the craziest part about that scene that seemed was amazing that i think that's like one of my favorite memories in the game we're like he kills sonia and then zelda like you know how in anime or in video games when characters are distressed their pupils get like a lot smaller right like you see those pupils get smaller and she's worried and the thing that hits me the most is that like as she's trying to wake sonia if she looks back at garrondorf while he's just there just like laughing his fucking head off and i'm like damn this i want to mention that the the facial animations in this game are so much more expressive and detailed and they were in breath the while and it really helps to sell all of those different emotional things like when in the memory right after sonia dies when you see ganondorf like powering up you zelda doesn't have to say a word you can see the horror on her face of how she is terrified of this man and i'm just like thank you yeah even link spatial animations are like way better in this game like he you get that final memory um and then you know link comes out of the memory and the dude just looks gutted and people are like there's no personality whatever i'm like no no he it's nuanced it's subtle you know it's not exaggerated but like sometimes less is more and just the way that he looks good or in the final battle just the sheer look of determination on his face like i found that very popular there are some memories that it comes out and it's literally it comes out and it zooms out on on link's face and i was paying really close attention to some of the more emotional moments like like like like if it's a realization for me it's a big time realization for this motherfucker and you could just see like a subtle emotion down like i i'm the guy they said i'm the guy i got to hold my shit together he's literally like i'm like my girlfriend just he's just fucking ripping apart inside like he's just like no she did this all for me but i got i know i got to hold it because if i fall apart now she did it for nothing so it's like uh now imagine taking an internal turmoil a little bit and put that on top of like when link has to go and find the yiga clan who are disguised as zelda like that's gotta hurt that's gotta suck all the castle moments how she's like beckoning towards him like that is some really also yeah that's like weird like can you imagine oh that's my girl and then it's actually creepy demon king ganondorf yeah like the puppet when she's like deactivating i'm like oh you know what and of course it reminds me of twilight princess which you know i'm sure it reminded everybody but i thought it was much creepier when it goes into the cut scene it's like remember the way we used to be yeah this has actual emotion and character development behind it yeah it's no have you ever met a crazy bitch like that i mean i pray that y'all don't i think andres the only one that's not married so i'm gonna pray for you boy i'm not i'm afraid i got you you don't want you don't want somebody like that that really that's the part that freaked me out i kind of felt like hyrule castle okay from a gameplay perspective it kind of lost the ability to kind of make it almost like a classic dungeon but the cut scene and then the big battle that you have afterwards and all the heroes showing that it was just a giant mind effort that whole trip was just about effing with things mine yeah that's exactly what it was yeah yeah yeah yeah even though i wish i had found a key somewhere to unlock the door i kind of missed that a little bit i still i kind of missed that a little bit a little bit can we talk about just how much of a technical showcase to the kingdom is oh sure like like maybe on the surface some might think that the graphics aren't substantially better than breath of the wild but if you look they are there's more draw distance there's more enemies on screen there's more mechanics going on and the textures are actually the draw distance with all the all the mechanics alone just lets you know like yeah but here's so far beyond here's a crazy part you can do all these builds ultra hand you can literally attach 20 things at a time they can do different things and then still drop items and you could have five stages out with you at a time fighting an entire other arm a small army but you could have an actual battle alongside several other mpcs there can be like 40 characters on screen fighting each other with all of your builds going on at the same time and the game while there probably will be some frame drops there's a few in those instances it still plays it depends on the level totally playable that's just totally insane playable the thing about that i like structural environment on top of that yeah the thing i love about that that though and the theme for this game is like you know when they kept saying you were not alone i know that that wasn't necessarily directed towards link but it was directed towards so everybody in the game from NPCs to people in different towns people are not just sitting around waiting for destruction or waiting for you know the hero to come save them they are doing research they're working they're they're like hey i don't know how to fight but i know how to cook you know so i'll feed the army they're practicing it at the sky tower look out landing area everybody is doing something and i love that it's like if we're gonna go down we're go down swinging i love that and it all culminates like when we have those the the wave of enemies right before the final fight and your friends show up for you that's the greatest time of need you've been on this journey alone you just had your mind eft with no one was with you on this journey you have whole armies being summoned to kick your and i'm sitting there wondering like this is the most amount of enemies i fought at once they legitimately might kick my ass and this is before i realized i could i could i could kill them pretty easy but in the moment you're just like holy shit you're scared 20 he said 20 mother fuckers at me i can't dodge all 20 this is gonna be a problem did you guys have all silver um the cobblons and and mobblons and all them folks i did i had i had a i had a bunch of silver ones i was like i can't get like five red ones i can kill like one head but when when the real when the real ones showed up and i'm like i honestly didn't expect because you lost our stage ability down there because we had the sage abilities i'm like oh they're not this is just they don't have to be here right because we already sort of have them here as avatars but then like from an emotional standpoint no no no we're not avatars anymore we're here we're fucking deal high rules on the line we are you did you guys know that if you like speed run it and you go down there before uh i was about to bring that up yeah they that you have to do a basically a boss rush of every boss in the game it's so cool yeah you have to fight multiple fandom ganons it's just it's just unfair it's just crazy are they different yeah they saw speed runners they said fucking bet good luck because you had to fight the one you get to fight the one from hyrule castle and i'm pretty sure you have to fight the one from the great dicketry too uh that's you that they're part of the that's crazy you mean the spirit of and there's a there's a spirit loss as well the spirit of one yeah yeah you have to fight everything out like i have like 10 physical copies of breath of whatever we're talking about here's the kingdom i am going to so try that because my digital one is that's my real one i'm gonna try that now your main yeah yeah my main to piggyback off of like them coming in like the sages coming in during the final fight i got a little emotional in the castle when yes ganon's like you know what fine i'm gonna do this again and he throws it at you and link like puts his arms up because he's like bracing himself to just lose another arm yeah like oh yeah like all we're doing this again it's gonna work he's like oh shit and then the sages show up and sidon's like we're here for you link we got your back this time and i'm like let's go yeah tulin best little brother best oh best age such a good move he follows he really acts like links little nephew or something like you know especially once you power him up and you go around on your regular travel he's just sniping people left and right yeah oh my god yeah he's definitely the best sage yes i love him i still love him he's ability wise and also be character wise he's he's in my favorite well side on is a close second if not first but otherwise tulin's the best tulin's the best side on is like forever loyal top tier ability why can we talk about how freaking nintendo saw all the the link and side on shippers and we're like hey let's put this let's put this let's give him a fiance you know what i'm a but they also did the statue they also they do yeah they also like paint homage to you simpers but that's not the story yeah but you were you were you're thinking the past he's growing up now he's moved on it works though i mean it's it's great for sidon to have someone who is like supportive of him and and right like really gasses him up you know i like it's also nice showing like her hate she gets on the internet no she doesn't know she's absolutely doesn't i just think she's ugly what one thing that absolutely she's a fish no no no because of the the the head the head shape and it doesn't help that her head is shaped like she does like uh like muzu muzu exactly the races from the first game like i didn't help that like you know shame so i'm not gonna fault you for finding a fish not attractive yeah one thing i think no i think it was really neat about that the relationship community is the only community online where you will get attacked for not being sexually attracted to a fish yeah so when people were shipping it i i kept telling myself back when they were shipping it in breath of the wild then i sat there i'm like yeah but like have you ever had like a really close best friend that you just you love that you love that dude that's what i'm saying really close friend was like a brother sitting in them in that way but like it's it's as tight as a bromance can get or as tight as a female group or side on is hot that's why but i know it's always like yeah hot people can be best friends it's alright like it's okay they suffer the same problem girls but here's and here's in the kingdom just sort of like reaffirmed that like no this is just one of those bromances that if you've ever had one you know and if you know here's the thing this is what confuses me about the internet side on is the dude that we all swear that we like he's open with his feelings he doesn't care he wants to give link a big hug you're my bestest friend ever there's a whole freaking statue in zora's domain now dedicated to uh uh link and side on but side i was like but wait let me introduce you to my wife or my future wife you see what i'm saying but he's like excited about it too and i'm like nobody beyond together wild nobody's put together that link has a thing for zelda and a majority of games he does and the only exception i would say well there's a few exceptions but one of the main exceptions is twilight princess that was a total business transaction oh yeah yeah yeah he had a he had a girlfriend back home yeah i only half i asked remembered him for by the way if you this is super niche if you read the twilight princess manga the manga is absolutely absolutely nailed him yeah oh but but i guess we guess who kissed in the manga though don't make no stop don't mention it why not i don't want to talk about it yes i don't want to talk about it in the finale in the finale yo like so link link and min the kiss like they they're eating their face off and shit i'm like bro they go that hard no no no no no no but i mean it's very it's very like it's hard for anyone who's gonna say it i'm like it's it's a little hard but it's very yeah it's so it's like it's what you might imagine maybe could have happened if oh oh i gotta ask this question so because you know how sometimes i and l look the same depending on is it aylea or is it leah aylea aylea aylea it's aylea aylea aylea aylea tears are the kingdom related but aylea and link i i ship it i get behind it i mean yeah i think no no no no no see i thought i thought it for a moment mid and left and zelda and him have I have a business transaction, but you know what else was he going to go home to? No, no, but he's a childhood best friend. The woman at the tavern. He didn't go home to her. But in my real historian page 117, bottom left paragraph, Mr. Miyamoto said. He retired to Selma, just let it be. Mr. Miyamoto says that he went back to Ordon and became page 117 cap. Summon it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, page 117. Let's go. That's fine. Dang. Or is it 127? Let's go back with him. What's the page? What's the page? What's the page? What's the page? Is it 117 or 127? It's one or the other. Okay. It's 117 or 127. She had that memory. Yeah. Dude, I've been shipping this shit forever. That's awesome. The way I will die on this hill. Traces of the hero of time. No, that's not it. All right. Gander fully resurrected. The resistance. All right then. So that's probably the other one. 127 maybe. Is it 127? Hold on. I'm going to get mine. I have a mark. It's not here. I'm on the digital copy. So all right, Link, the descendant of the hero of time. I have a digital copy on the Wii U. I need to get the physical copy. I don't know why I haven't got it yet. Oh, I have it right here. 118. It says Link returned the master sword to the forest and went back to Ordon village. Yeah, he did. And then he left. But where does it say he left? No, it shows you in the game. Wait, I thought he said that he became a share. Mr. Miimoto said he became a share. Hold on. I'll find it. You'll find that. Whoa. That's sweet. I share it. He definitely took it right now. He definitely took it. You're doing a share. If you need to come on to a big stocky woman. Come on. Nate, I had this pulled up from when we were talking about the technical prowess. Why they search for that? Can you show? I would like to share my screen and show a cool clip of some of some cool contraptions you can build in this game. Yeah. Has everyone here seen that like fully walking mech that was made like two weeks ago? Yeah, I saw it. Amazing. Where are we going to be six years from now? People are going to come up with things. Well, I bet the DLC will make it crazier. I did this on my live stream. I made a homing missile. Oh, Lord. What? Uh-oh. Oh, there goes my hero. Wow. Isn't that cool? You attached the targeting head to it, right? Yeah. Okay. The target activates when it sees a bad guy. Yeah. My man just has really committing war crimes. Yeah. I said we're committing war crimes. I want to make sure you understand how you did it. So how do you, how does the second rocket not? Okay. Hang on. Let me, I'll pull back. I thought we'd be done. I don't know how the second rocket didn't go off until it's awesome. And that's what I'm telling you. If you put it on, okay. So you can kind of see it here. So below it's in the grass. There's one of those spikes, right? Like the ones you can stick. Yeah. One of those things that hold it. Yeah. Yeah. On that you attached four bomb flowers and then above that you put, you attach a stabilizer and then on the back of that you put a rocket and that's like your initial. I get that part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the second thing attached. So this is like a little, uh, one of they called the things that just, Yeah. So they don't, whatever is attached to that doesn't activate until it sees an enemy. It's like when you attach, Cause the flamethrower doesn't go off. Exactly. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. That one doesn't. So that rocket is attached to this. It doesn't activate this launches. It sees the other enemy. It locks on the enemy. And then that rocket activates and shoots it into the, So it's not a hundred percent homing, but it, It's homing enough. No, no, no. That is a hundred percent. When it sees the enemy it goes. That is a hundred percent homing. Yeah. It's homing plus because it launches off into the distance, finds the target and then home. Yeah. Even the letters. The only downside is if you get too far away from it, like it'll like deactivate itself sometimes, like if it launches too far away from you, cause you know that it does. Oh yeah, the distance. The distance. You have to be somewhat close to your target still to do it, but yeah, that's probably the maximum amount of distance you could get it. That's pretty bad. Did there's so many? There's so many. I'm going to do it in six years. That's just one I did. I was like, I'm very proud of this. You saved that sucker to auto build. Oh yeah. A hundred. I was going to be like, I was like, I was screaming at you guys. You want to see something you've never seen another person pull off yet? Mm hmm. You know what's an update they need to do? Auto build. I've been waiting for that. DLC. Yeah. Okay. Actually, while we're somewhat on the subject, this is a mild criticism of the game. If I may, you take it back. So auto build, we can have like favorites and that reduces medium. It's, it's great. It's great. Right. Why can we not have favorites for fusing arrows? If I'm true, if I've decided I'm going to try and fuse something for the first time, I got to go and sort and just want to fuse it to an arrow. And I've never done it before. And now I've got to just like scroll for like three minutes straight. And you, you better start using it a lot. Yeah. Otherwise, like for things that are most frequently used, you can use frequently used. It's kind of a favorite. But if it's your first time using something, you're going to use it a lot before it'll pop up before. Yeah. Yeah. It was page 118. Sorry. I wouldn't look. I had to go hunt my book down. Like it's still partly in storage. So, so was it more to it? Or is it just that pair? Is it more to it? Like did it say it was a sheriff or something? That part was from a Miyamoto interview. So that's what I was cross-referring. Let me see if I can find that interview. I can find that interview. And in the interview. And in the interview, he said, I like to think that. Oh, that they end up together. No. He's a shepherd. He's a shepherd. He's shipping. And also, also, Miyamoto didn't even write. He didn't even write. He's part of the problem. I will say this though. He said he liked to think that, that Link went back to Ordon and became a sheriff. But the official Hyrule of Storia says that Link went back to Ordon. That's what I based my script off of was really more of the interview. Yeah. See that. I'm not finding anything about a sheriff. That's the thing about Miyamoto. Look, I would love to respect the guy. He, this is, this is one of his babies. He created this baby. So if he wants to come in right before he rides off in the sunset and he just wants to say, all you guys are wrong. Link is this, Link is that. This is that. You know what? I will let him do it. Because it is his baby. As much as it might piss me off. As much as it might piss me off that you're just, I'm retconning all of, you know what? You do what you want, man. This is your creation. You do what you want, man. I have that much respect that I can forego the decades of theories for whatever you say, man. It's just, you've earned that. You've earned that from me. Because without you, we wouldn't be even having this podcast. So. Fair. True. But you know, you've brought an interesting point that is totally not really related to this conversation. I mean, it's other related. But like. There has been a stirring. It's not just from me. Not saying it's rumors. It's just like, you know, the speculation that what if the tone does remake Ocarina of Time? Isn't that the last game that Miyamoto was behind? Like what if like as one of the. It is also the 25th anniversary this year. Well, I mean, it's not going to happen this year. Yeah. We don't know that. Maybe a late holiday release. Yo, give it. They've been dropping stuff late. We also don't know the sun will rise tomorrow, but I bet it will. You know, give it. Give it the resident evil treatment, please. Yes. Yes. Like, but like what if we're just, you know, yes. Like. Just like even that was like. Yeah. Seven. So. So. Only two Zelda games has Miyamoto actually directed. And those. No. The director matters. He's been produced around a bunch. Yes. The director matters because director is, is the primary one that really comes up your lies and puts the shots together. Yeah. And it was Legend of Zelda and then Ocarina of Time. That was it. Yep. They took a break. Well, he was still heavily involved, but he was got to remember Miyamoto at that time also was like all those other new franchise. I mean all the franchises he made were new. So like he was really spread. Across a bunch of IPs. So he couldn't just make Zelda games because he's also handling Mario is also, you know. I'm not trying to be shady here, but Miyamoto is the reason Miyamoto is the reason we didn't get Twilight Princess 2. And we got Lynx crossbow training. Yeah. This is true. Yeah. Hats are on mine. Yeah. But we also the reason we got first person adventure Metroid Prime though. I think I know why he didn't direct a bunch of Zelda games because he actually was directing a lot of the Mario games for a long time. Yeah. He directed a lot of them all the way all the way up to Mario 64 he directed. Y'all saw what I got from Japan. What? I want to see. What you get? Oh. You're about to meet. No. No, you did not. I'm jealous. I almost bought it online, but it was for premium. It was too much of a premium. I'm going to send you my shipping address. Can you just get us all one? It was too much. Yeah. I'll pay you. Oh, yeah. Oh, we got to pay him. I got you. Well, you can have me bought online, but they're sold out of premium because they're important. I'm going to give you a number. You tell me. You tell me. Even if I want to sell that, it was a gift from a friend. So like, there's no, I'm parting with that. Makes sense. Oh, sweet. That's a really companion. Yeah. That is really nice. Let's talk about getting it. Well, you know, if you're ever. Thank you. God willing that you're not on the deathbed before me, but if you are. That's left to me. I will be at your right. I promise. I'll come back to you. Every few years, him and I around the same event. So I'm not going to say things are going to happen. Wow. No, I'm saying. Yeah. No, wait a minute. Nate. What did I say? What did I say last night? We can. We got to wait till Zelda 2030 so we can all do this again. You know, you know, we y'all can't. Speaking of that. Why wait that long. Transition. Future of Zelda. I don't want to transition to that. The wild three baby. Anything. It really could go in any direction. There could be a new gimmick. We could honestly, we're such an eye high. The next one's got to be a bad one. Right. Like it's got to be another spirit. No. I got a button for that. There we go. That's a top eight Zelda game for me. You don't mess with my spirit. Really? Top eight. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Already done. No...?) Top eight. Really? Top eight game. Let's not get it to Nate's Rankings. Nate's Rankings are gonna trigger everyone No, no, no, no. Make triggers and Here's the thing, I want to ask y'all really quick what in your opinion is like in my opinion there is no bad Zelda, but what is the facts where's the least what is the I love Traverse okay the obvious CD thank you wait wait we don't talk about the CD game what did Nick say oh my god links awakening I played through that on the switch this year I hated every second of it man all right all right I didn't realize I didn't realize I would use this button more than one yeah get them out of here get them out of here they're not the scream as you left my favorite Zelda is fat is look that's what everyone wants to do when I when I tell people where I rank ocarina of time so this I I just happen to be in charge Joyce you're you're you're muted Joyce you're going off over there I'm my bad y'all I apologize um who said that they hated every minute of links awakening I just want to talk me it was boring five minutes the game was a fetch quest for items that I needed but it didn't explain where to get them here's a fun story that's like every Zelda game pre-breath the wild is awesome I don't like the ending because it's very at least I look at it like this at least Termina is still somewhere out there I know Miyamoto dream I don't believe no Terminus bye like um here's what I this is why I think links awakening is my least favorite um Zelda game and that's not because of the fetch quest or anything like that I've played all versions of this game and I really don't see where everyone's fascination or mystique with this game is it is a like at least like people like oh it's charming I'm like is it though and like it is it's it's a like it's a lesser version of a link to the past which also has some of the worst dungeon design in all of zola like you're gonna tell me that links awakenings in your top five when the game has eagle tower and I'm like excuse me oh god right too much done back here halfway I definitely it's definitely like I think it's I think it's not awful but I definitely don't think it's awful but I don't think it's like yeah you were like I would say it is I would say in terms of all the zelda games I would say it is a pretty air quotes mid experience but I mean that in the nicest way possible I gotta man dragged a link to the past through the mud in this I say links awaken is a lesser version of a link to the past that's why I don't think all right no he didn't have one of my margaritas honey he fucked up so look oh my god sorry that's unladylike but look one's in a chat if you like the cdi games we don't talk about the cdi game yo okay when are they playing the cdi games to switch though that's why I wanted to get spiritual successors maybe that the next thing that's coming out this year is there just okay um let's go ahead and kick nick with no k from the chat I didn't say I wanted it I just said maybe that's what they're gonna do okay I think I think why would you want that for us don't you love us I think it would be fun do we either bust a tier list out like right now what do we see I mean I do you want to be on that one yeah that'll be fun I'll be I I'm suggesting that would be a heavy debate on the tier list yeah wait a minute I have to defend link's awakening in this sense no you do no yes I yeah I do I do it's a great game it really is a great game and they get to sell and it and it pretty much is just like all the top down games from before um it's very classic Zelda it I like the dungeons it was I forgot which dungeon it was but it's the one where you fight the face and the face is like dude you do understand if you wake everything up you know what's gonna happen right oh spoiler cast I'm sorry let me just say you do understand we're not real right you know that's what broke my heart you're tripping right now yeah you are so want to ask the trip and that's what mario is taking in mario wonder coming down in a few months so the thing is is that it's that's what makes links awakening a little bit bitter sweet and a little bit forgettable is because it's not real I did what major's mass did it better major's mass did do it better that's not saying much it did a lot of things better than most games but terminal is still out there and thriving and doing their thing or no it's gone it's gone as as soon as link is still there no it's not no it's not terminal is gone terminal is gone and terminal is only tumor only exists because it was created by the power of the major's mask and yet terminal existed in flashback scenes before the skull kid got major's mask so how does that work no no no we only like that that part where he's like hanging out in the forest area outside of the swamp area it's implied that like oh this is just you know a different part of the lost woods that they didn't want to like recoder makeup for just a cut scene we're just gonna use this for like you know we have this we have this backdrop for right we might as well use it right and because remember he like um he carved the same thing that he was gonna that he carved at the end of the game and a stump within the lost woods but he carved it into like that hollow trunk that was like in front of yeah but it doesn't exist it's gone what we're witnessing in real time terminal is real in real time is this podcast could be a 72-hour long podcast because we could really we could literally that's what happens you get a bunch of zelda people do so that's i love that about the zelda fan base you wonder why there's so many zelda youtubers and zelda this and zelda that because dude when you get people passionate together talk about zelda man you can go all over the place but the original topic was the future of okay here i'll get us started on the future link to the past is the best one still out of the whole series here we go stop with the tear i think keeping it on topic i think one the next game is going to be very indicative of what's going out the timeline uh because it we'll see if they double down on like the secret stones and the zonai and like going that direction or if they go back to like oh well it's just the triforce and you know the goddesses and then the goddess i'll probably argue the secret zones vanished yeah like it it was all a dream even i would argue they're not even gonna talk about it exactly i didn't i'm gonna talk about it they're never gonna they're not gonna talk about it just like you know like they all zelda games are known for introducing concepts items and tribes to never talk to mom again but where's the magmas idea idea where's cat oh my god i want the why man because we're not going to see the next big news zelda probably for another five to seven years there's one thing in between to kind of hold us over there'll be maybe some dlc but also maybe that thing we keep talking about maybe we get a free time remake on the switch but one or the other right and maybe say for example we get an awkward time remake maybe they put in a little cameo if you look very carefully off into the distance in the clouds you might see a dragon which i i'm a mind like here's the thing the big awkward time remake that people want i don't think will happen because i don't think they'll trust anyone to do it right outside of the zelda team and i'm just going to take the zelda team's word of face value with what alnuma said we ain't looking back which means they are interested they interested in using that main zelda team to remake games so it's going to be whatever they can get grezzo or tanzler someone else to do and i just don't think what i'm not saying they're done with remasters they're done with remasters they what are they going to do next they're done with remasters they can have grezzo do more they're not i just mean they've remastered on 3d zelda's already get mercury steam to remake zelda to yes it deserves it thank you it deserves it thank you no what listen to this man that's first of all it is a good game and if you think it's a bad game and i hate to say this because i hate i just hate whatever skill issue yes skill issue i hate to say it is skilled games in the series like if you legit you watch like you watch a legitimately good player play it and you suck at it you're gonna be like what the yeah you can get good it is a highly skill based game they're cooking with it it is it is like it is there's there's some horseshit in it i won't lie but there is some stupid shit in pretty much every zelda game it's called chelus and there's anchorax but there's like beneath that there is a fun adventure that actually does a good job guiding you between dungeon to dungeon with its like hints contextual clues item gating and stuff like that and it's got one of the richest most challenging combat systems in any zelda game even though it's magic system and then there's that you get some fun magic spells today zelda is just a good game but it's underappreciated and and and it needs the metroid two treatment yep if that's what it needs also the map is cool because the section the section of the there's like a small quadrant of the map that that's just like the map of the original legend zelda which also is also technically the just the map of of Hyrule in breath all into the kingdom which implies that the actual world of zelda is like four to six times larger than what yeah it's like that whole landmass to the north across the canyon there you go there in zelda too you go there it's just out of reach i want to go back i'm okay with remasters but on the same note and maybe this is just the the the 80s baby and me talking um i feel like it's a time long gone it's a time long past let's appreciate it for what it was i'm glad it happened hence so i'm so glad it happened full from the ground remake full remaking i won't i will buy it but i don't need it but i will buy it and i will buy it i need it listen if i want to play ocarina time we don't need any of it if i want to play ocarina time i just gotta grab my 3ds i well i just want to go look if it's 3ds version is bad and i'll grab the 4 zelda games for like five six seven years no i want us to just say you know what zelda is now like mario it sells 20 to 30 mil spinoff time something to go all out with spinoff but give us all yeah zelda would spin off i was about to say zelda car i'm gonna say zelda car because i already put they already put that in mario car car goes zelda derby you're gonna ride race out of all school like like why can't we get a paper zelda spin off why can't we get like other there's there's so many other ways that you can use the zelda studios chicagame like stuff like that well yeah there was a chicagame pitch that had it when we yeah there was a second retro studios pitch that was like an rpg game that had like a party of characters you had like a gore on azora a rito and that sounded dope like that sounded so freaking cool it was like bro it was like a tactics like i think now is the time zelda is more popular or never let's go with the spin-off yeah retro retro studio also they could ride the the tactic fighter genre because that's like every game easy that's like every every big franchise has been coming like the what is it persona has won now uh final i mean final fantasy has always been kind of like that but they've all been like oh freaking mario and rabbits all tactical fighter whatever and i was just like uh you know i just if mario rpg can exist and be so beloved and such like a like a well regarded game why why don't we get a zelda one a zelda rpg because i won't play zelda too was well yeah but like you know like a modern day one modern day one all right guys i actually have to be out so i that's all right show ends in nine minutes either way so oh yeah i think joey's just decided to piece early no not actually but we lost but it's been super fun thank you so much for having me oh good yes i look forward to your video tomorrow i'll come to you in the tier list episode's gonna happen because that'll let me know let me guys anytime all right peace out everyone take care later so now oh man so no seriously like the future of zelda right like i i've been debating this a lot um internally about what they could do because there was a huge part of me that thought hey let's have a third game they're just gonna milk it because this is selling too well and then the ending we got happened and it felt so definitive it does feel really definitive like it doesn't mean something else can't happen they can make up anything something else happened and this zelda link have more stuff to do um absolutely nintendo can do what they want and you know we already know that uh the director has ideas for the next game anyways you already said hey i already have them like i kind of sort of know where i'm going to go with this so cool so what is that next game like where do they go from here because i think they it's gonna be open world we know that but that's like the only thing we know i think they try to find they try to perfect because like breath of the wild obviously had the dungeons and then they were improved in tears of the kingdom and there was much more of like an active story in tears of the kingdom so some of the things that people didn't like about breath of the wild they improved upon in tears of the kingdom but it wasn't quite perfect yet i think they just keep moving in that direction of figuring out how to balance everything and finally move away from having memories be a key part of the story and actually have it all be in the present i think they go that direction but with a different link and zelda i think we're done with this link and zelda because i played through that ending and that did feel very like we're done there is no loose end there's no oh well what if this thing happens like it's done yeah at least has to be an entirely new world i love just the kingdom i do and and maybe choose the kingdom is my favorite game of all time that's we'll see yours down the road i have to think about it replay it a few times and stuff but i do kind of feel that while they did do a lot the change around the world i also feel that if this was an entirely if imagine the like the the sheer breadth of this world if it was all totally new it would have been even better i would like to see them go to a new land like let's keep this this feels like a definitive high rule to me yeah let's not come back to this high like let's come back to this high rule someday down the line but maybe when the high rule has been fully rebuilt up we've never seen it fully built up so let's not so let's wait a thousand years or whatever it's going to be before we come back to a fully rebuilt one and for a game or two let's go somewhere new there's other lands out there there's other lands in zelda history let's let's go somewhere new or they pulled the zelda to move and we just come back to your high rule later and it's just one corner of the map mm good and and if the game and if my theory is true that it's a full reboot there's infinite possibilities high rule is just one section of a larger world that we've never never been to yeah that would be crazy that would be nice the crazy part is if they do that like how do you make a game that's four times bigger than tears of the kingdom well you don't have to really well but you also don't have to necessarily make it four times bigger like you don't have the depths and say you don't have sky islands but instead you have say actual islands like wind waker style but the islands are actually like half the size of a normal high rule and you have like five of them or six of them and people will be just happy with that like I think trying to be like oh we have to top the size of tears of the kingdom we have to top like I don't know you necessarily need to do that when it's all new yeah I do think we have to kind of hit a point where we either reach and like have a new incarnation of our characters uh to have sort of a reset on the story or we take these characters completely somewhere else out of high rule or or like both ideally but I think this is like the time where we wait till we have a new console where the hardware can maybe achieve even better things than what they've been able to achieve on on this admittedly uh you know old hardware and it's to me it's incredible what nintendo has been able to put on switch and especially this year like pikmin again is like is it gorgeous how does it look that good on switch um yeah so it's like I keep thinking um like if they wait till that next piece of hardware comes out like how good how gorgeous what how what mechanics can they optimize and make work I'll say this on a new console say this but pikmin all the pikmin games always look really impressive on every hardware they're on but a lot of the stuff that looks great is not interactable like it's just there you can't like like even even if you just look at the beginning of pikmin like you're in the house and the house looks really gorgeous well there's the pillow yeah but when you hit the pillow nothing happens it doesn't press it or anything it's not interactable so like they're just static objects that have just been real life scanned into the game so that's uh that's actually a common trick pikmin's been doing since the beginning doesn't mean it doesn't look good no it looks fantastic but that's the trick it's not it's just presented to you a high quality texture that was scanned from a real object for sure but I mean like but it looks good for for the kind of game pikmin is it works obviously yeah absolutely yeah I mean it's crazy like the switch is I mean if you look at primary master pikmin and tears of the kingdom like these three games are definitely like in the top 10 most impressive switch games maybe top five like it's just it's kind of a cool like I don't want to say it's the final year of switch right but you know we are I think we are close to the hardware the final four clothes yeah right so I mean when the switch to come switch is still being supported for a couple years but I do think this is the last Zelda made for for switch like I think that that's probably obvious unless they have some top down one they're dropping something like that yes but in terms of like an open-air Zelda that's going to be made exclusively for new more powerful hardware and you like and like even if they had like ps4 level power and I think it'll be a little bit better without because of modern just imagining what this seems to do with that kind of power yeah like oh I felt limited by that what do you mean you felt limited wait wait bro what are you doing now yeah like like horizon looks amazing but imagine if the zella team worked with horizon engine on that kind of hardware like we would be talking about a game that would just like they might not want to work with that engine but you know that I know what you I know what you mean I just mean in terms of yeah like the visual it's the visual quality and stuff yeah the visual fidelity of it like imagine this is all the game that can be to that level like from a technical perspective but then have that that level of interaction those physics involved and probably to another level because they're they're not going to just I'll say this find even more ways but maybe it won't ever look at that level because they are focusing on interactivity and a lot of the other games that look to that level don't do that and there's a reason they don't do it because they have that level of visuals takes away processing that you would need to have the interactivity and have it be smooth I'm not even talking about forbidden well I'm talking about the no no I'm talking about in general like I think about the interactivity of Zelda's world there's like hardly any AAA games that are like that anywhere counterpoint though all they need like I think they could stick with this art direction all they need is better hardware I'd like if you if you run Breath of the Wild on Simu okay um the game itself is unchanged but you're running it on on a more powerful piece of hardware yeah um the the the level of visual fidelity you can get the particle effects in the air the detail on the ground all of these things it is incredible and honestly the switch doesn't do the game justice uh because you can have like you can put ray tracing on it too and it's the amount of poppin you get on switch like when you just like just like run somewhere and look at the ground and I'm talking about my favorite games ever here so like I'm not a hater but I'm just saying like you know just run somewhere and look on the ground no they're doing poppin it's gonna happen it's hard to unsee yeah once you see it I try not to look down for that line because once you see it you can't unsee it yeah yeah I saw that a lot in the what is it glooms approach or whatever or something like that it looked at the ground and it was like it was flickering yeah for me now it didn't happen every single time because I went down there like twice so far I'm gonna play it again later but uh but I saw that like this like both times I went down there I was like and it was in the same spot and I was like and then it creeped me out because I was like there's bloom everywhere you know when you're when you're in the depths and you activate one of the the light the light roots the light roots yeah I can feast them with the with the seeds but yeah the light roots like there's a whole bunch of like um foilage like a little bit of grass around yeah you can see a whole bunch of new flowers and grass being added right in front of you so walk around it like you don't even they don't even need to add that much but they just wanted to like there's it's like you can tell they want to do more than what switch can handle yeah like it's very obvious if you're paying enough attention it's like oh they really want like the zeal the team wants better hardware like that that's sort of the thing it's like oh and me and for a couple oh we don't need better hardware and like I'm just sitting there like I played tears of the kingdom and it's amazing and I love it but you can tell things that team is doing where they're begging for you to give them something more powerful to realize their ideas are so big and they're so good at optimizing it but like I let you want to see what they could do with more power I think that I think they could do amazing things like that's the team at Nintendo that that can be like hey yeah we want we need more I think the next elder is gonna be on what even bigger oh no I just even bigger we're gonna go even bigger how about a base map that just one level wise is twice as big as I I didn't mean literally I just meant in terms of like hype like I think oh hi like that when we're getting when we see the I remember when we saw zelda for the first time yeah like that moment seeing that I'm waiting for that moment because we haven't had that moment in a while we're gonna get that if I had done Nintendo's marketing you would have had that moment for tears of the king sure but but even if we did like the hype for tears of the kingdom was real and just look at the initial launch sales it was massive and you could argue bigger overall in terms of sheer number of people hyped than the original breath of the wild but hardcore zelda fans were super hyped for breath of the wild and they maybe didn't get hyped in the same way but they were going to buy they're they buy zelda no matter what and though out of there was more players there was a much larger player base hype for tears of the kingdom but it might not have been as high of hype on an individual level but I will say this these were probably two of the most hyped zelda launches of all time and at least in modern history octavia time was was pretty high back in the day but the fan base was disjointed because there was the internet wasn't big enough yet to come connect us all together so these were like the two most hyped ever the two best selling ever when that next one comes on new hardware unless they do something to it which I can't put it past the zelda team to do something where they really some strange visual style that everyone's like wait what the fuck is that because they've done it in the past and it turns out like when windmaker it was a really great decision and I love it but also at the time all zelda fans were like what the fuck are you doing the zelda excluding windmaker has ever been an art style that fans were like majority against not that I can think of no that was that was the big one zelda zelda two's drastic difference was another one that zelda fans were again yeah there is a way that they could present a new game that could make like we're hyped for it and then we're like oh that's not what we thought well I think they're smart enough with what they did with these two games that clearly showed it which here's the kingdom that like hey we're not going to do that again we're not stupid we're not going to ruin the popularity of zelda by going in such a drastically um obtuse thing from what what what people love now that we're going to push them off and I and I think you are right that when this one hits it's going to be the first brand new zelda game in another five six years it's going to be on brand new powerful hardware after we just saw what they could do you know five six years ago on old hardware and I think when they show it and it's crisp and it looks amazing and even if it's just a teaser like they did for breath of the wild right like the initial the initial teaser that teaser will blow us away we're yeah it is going to be trending if I don't know x is still going to be around to be trending on whatever social media platforms are popular at the time for literally until the thing comes out for neck the next three to four because what they have done now and I look so the games are coming out my whole life breath of the wild was an event here's the kingdom was an event this next one's going to be an even bigger event than those two can let's let's put us in the perspective for a moment because yes each game has taken a long time right um they I mean like skyward sword came out in 2011 that's great we're gonna get breath of the wild until early 2017 and then we had to wait until early 2023 right like that's that the gap is huge between those games but we you came out in 2012 and switching we are fairly close there are some bottlenecks we you had but in terms of power they're they're comparable they've basically been making a zelda game for hardware from 2012 in terms of like capability like obviously they're I'm taking some liberties here but you understand my point when we do get that next zelda like there is going to be a substantial leap it's gonna be a generational leap like it's going to be significant uh and it's I can't wait for I can't wait to be told it looks like a ps3 game by people who never played a ps3 game yeah there's a ps3 game to look really good absolutely still to this day but also like come on I wanted to say something real quick I think with the first zelda one and zelda two um well zelda one and links uh adventures wait what was it Nate like some like that the first two zeldas y'all I'm old yeah adventure zelda adventure the adventure of link thank you the adventure link it's like how the why not I was like why are you referencing me all right because it's zelda two got it yeah because I know it's one of your favorite but the thing about it is I kind of feel like at the time that was the zelda team saying you can go with this or you can go with that and it's like okay you want to go with this and that's why we got a link to the past which is my favorite gaming I will fight you if you say that it's terrible okay or bad or say anything negative about it so but seriously I think and that's kind of where what kind of set up our our quote-unquote classic games and breath of the wild is really really what Miyamoto wanted if the technology um had been attainable at the time for breath uh for zelda one that's really what he wanted he wanted this huge world where all you do is explore and there's monsters and there's things to do and things like that tears of the kingdom is what we wanted which is nothing but game and depth and decent story and things to do and I mean like I said I clocked it at five five hundred and thirty hours and I was not trying to blow through the game at all and that's not even all the Koroks so saying all that when we could talk about new hardware and all that other stuff I kind of have a little bit more faith in the business side of of Nintendo than the creative side because the creative side is up kind of in a way it said to me to me um we can do what we have to do on whatever hardware we have we're going to make it amazing we're going to make it fun the fans are going to go nuts it's going to sell I think on the business side they're like yeah but everybody's screaming that they want you know more power more power more power which then just makes the creative team say okay then we're going to put in more stuff more guys I am not a tech person whatsoever I can barely work my work computer so I'm I hope you can kind of fill in the blank blanks with whatever gigabytes and terabytes and floppy fights and boss fights and whatever bullshit you can put in there so what I'm saying is I I think from the business side they may do bigger hardware but I don't think that that's necessarily what their goal is it might just be kind of like I feel like the fans made tears of the kingdom I kind of feel like the fans are going to be the ones that say okay you guys want more power fine bam here's your $500 system you're going to buy it of course we are but yeah yeah right it's a little bit of old brain talking I'm not so I I think um like the Tendo does you know that does things the way the way they do it right they Nintendo yeah but I mean that's the most accurate sentence I've ever heard is Nintendo does things the way they do it exactly you can put that in so many contexts and it works Nintendo will always Nintendo my point is that you know and given that it's kind of like it's sort of interesting like so the game to Wii was like a kind of like a minor leap then to Wii U was a significant leap and then Wii U to switch is kind of like a minor leap if there's a pattern we're going to get more of a major leap this time but also mobile technology has been improving and this next system is going to be is going to be a pretty big jump now big jump it could be like ps4 range which is already kind of an old system but when Nintendo has that kind of power they just tend to do more with it like they just there's a lot they they get a lot more bang for your buck because of what they can do so oh yeah I'm not saying I need the file sizes of triple A games it's crazy yeah like like you got these games that are like I don't even I can't even quantify how big like 50 gig games that are on like ps4 think 150 and think about smash ultimate yeah think about how how high quality the textures are how much music is in the game how much characters in the game how much files are in the game that game is huge but it fits on a cartridge yeah and I remember there was an interview with sock right a little ways back and he just made mention that Nintendo has incredible incredible technology when it comes to fitting things down that they know how to do it they they do yeah here's the thing too is that like people are bringing up in the chat for example like ps4 ps4 pro levels of hardware and stuff and I'm thinking like even companies like Microsoft and Sony aren't even taking advantage of the hardware that they have on the markets right now which is why most games that are that are being released for ps5 are also being released still on ps4 because I think that just game design is not that the the level of hardware that that's coming out these days is just above what is reasonable to make a video game to the standard of do you know what I mean like there are exceptions there are still games that are like ps5 exclusive that are not on ps4 but most ps5 games you can play just fine on this like 10 year old hardware because just like game game design that like that is just like not out of place well I love how like they're bringing rift apart to uh to a pc and they're just like yeah you don't need an ssd anymore to play this game yeah they made a big deal about how you absolutely this game's impossible without an ssd and it's like no it's better with one but it's not it wasn't impossible that was just a fib to sell hardware yeah so I don't know just like thinking again what nintendo can do with this this hardware they're working with now even just giving them ps4 level of hardware yeah it's old hardware I know but like also most powerful and incredible yeah they can also do incredible things with it um that would make more probably visually stuffing and more fun and this is why people want nintendo to go third party I'm just going to know what you're saying right now because they want nintendo's talents that have unlimited hardware access right sure I mean I'm not saying I want that but there there is something to the idea of having limitation limitation does for force you to be creative and think of ways to make it work with I think it also the nintendo's development teams are so good because they've always had to work within limitations rather than having unlimited power all the time because I think that's led to a lot of the industry problems that exist where games aren't optimized as much and I know there's a lot of budgets and stuff that go into that too but um having limitations I think spurns some creativity like would would she was looking to be as inventive if they didn't have to work with their limitations I don't know and then that goes well then with the next harm no that's a harm because maybe they want to go beyond it's I don't know we don't know what's going to happen the future is is wild and nintendo is in a good position please don't mess it up now did we talk about dlc I'm sorry we briefly got to it but we actually have to wrap the show up before I'm sorry you know I'll talk about it in trouble I'm the one that's going to get in trouble if I if I look I could keep going this is dlc this is although I could be talking no yes no yes wait well how many votes do we have oh wait I'm back and I'm I'm on the fence will there be deals that's that's the question yes yes I'm on the fence yeah I think I think it's too much for kaskal for them not to so we have four four yeses and two noes but you know what there's one more no than I expected nick you said yes I thought you were saying no I said no you said no oh okay but I said I'm on the fence am I the only one I said no I said no oh okay okay I've been I've been saying no will hmk also said yes earlier so well he's not here he also said link should uh should be with midna so he also said links awakening was a bad game I love the guy he was spoiling a manga he wasn't he wasn't trying to say he's just saying what happens in the month hey listen everyone actually said by the tender to be non-canon anyways but everyone's vote counts for unfortunate this is true I'm on I'm on the fence because I can make an argument for why we should get dlc and why we couldn't and Nate knows that I will say I'm just a researcher just try to say oh everyone's vote counts for one I think my channel's name is I'm the name of this podcast I might come for two it's still before the three either way how do we kick Nate from the chat we start our own podcast obviously I know I know and by the way I know a majority of people are really excited for potential DLC it's just until it's announced doesn't exist in my mind and typically DLC would be announced already so you could argue that that's the point against DLC but then some DLC happens later if we get to the end of the year and haven't heard anything about DLC I'll say it's not happening I don't agree with that I agree because I will I have said that if they do DLC I think the the best way for them to do it is to use it to transition to the next hardware yes so that's why I'm kind of like there could be DLC I don't think there will be DLC you can only play this DLC how many years Nintendo switch pro after Mario Kart 8 deluxe's release right if they announced a totally different thing I'll tell you what I'll tell you what years of the kingdom still 16 million units in the next couple of years they will release DLC like three four years later the transition to the next Zelda game I think if you get past this September and December and there's still nothing then it's definitely not happening that I agree with now that I I do it look it's two comes out and still not been announced you know it still might happen don't worry I'm just all right all right all right we can keep going forever as I said it's a never-ending conversation one thing one more thing okay so wait one more thing oh also after that one more thing all right so after so this is the third to last thing Oracle of Ages and Seasons that's awesome right yep um is that the Zelda thing that's not related to the kingdom that Jeff was alluding to I don't think so because don't we already know what's coming they were now already announced yeah I don't think that was it we knew yeah we're coming yeah I agree but is it possible we're getting a remake and that's the thing that Jeff is talking about well that he's gonna he doesn't know and we'll know on the next last of the Nintendo probably make some off-handed comment and no I wasn't Oracle would they drop the game on nso to begin with if the remake was coming because like they did that have an awakening didn't they after links awakening came to nso after oh was long yeah because I don't think adding oracle season oracle of ages suddenly we have millions of people signing up to subscribe I just I don't think it's moving the needle at all I don't want people to not buy the remake because they're like why can't just play the original it's already yeah the people who play the original I love the original would absolutely buy the remake I don't I don't think that's a deterrent I know that and you know that do they know that Nintendo knows they're not done but I mean here's the thing it's all it's probably topping out 34 million sales anyways um let's let's just get to the the wrap up here otherwise we'll be at this for another 10 15 minutes so uh flam where can people find you I mean at your everything's linked below we want to tell people who you are more they can find yeah no uh so you can find me primarily on twitch.tv slash flam tomorrow we'll be live with Pikmin 4 and then Friday I do stream with my own podcast crew we do like a game we're starting to do gaming segments and then I have a podcast called the boost of you podcast if you follow anything that's mine today please follow that podcast there's my passion project right now yeah on x oh yeah I always oh yeah oh yeah my schedule yeah I put it out on um I'm still calling on twitter I put it on there on discord all but yeah anything me someone literally I forgot to turn that off the alert just went off someone just turn the channel baby let's go Kat Bergeson what are you got going on who are you working to find you oh my gosh uh I'm Daniel I'm Kat Bergeson you can go check out my channel if you want to see somebody talk about a single dungeon in a Zelda game for 30 minutes straight 50 times because that's the kind of videos I make it's amazing and they're all good wait for his next tears of the kingdom theory video gonna be a banger you did a link to the past you're my best friend I'm still working through the link to the past dungeons for those videos but they're coming along nicely a new one comes out next Friday actually uh which is august 4th I also stream every wednesday and saturday wednesdays are always zelda days we stream so right now obviously we're streaming tears of the kingdom obviously but uh saturdays are just like whatever whatever else I feel like playing so lately also that's Pikmin but you know it'll be other things when I finish that game so that's me stream on twitch or youtube on youtube because twitch is sometimes occasionally stinky yeah i started on i started on twitch so that's why i'm still there yeah um all right nick wouldn't okay who are you working they find you mr nerdy podcast i'm nick um you can follow me on twitter at nerdy is nick i tweet stuff all the time just about random stuff yes you can also follow my podcast the nerdiest podcast we talk about movies and tv shows uh sometimes video i subscribed i saw that thank you i know i was like why am i not subscribed i was just watching an episode we also two big things coming up uh one is next week so next weekend i'm going to meet my co-host in person and we are recording our 100th episode which comes out the following Monday hype and crazy for like a little teaser because it's not officially announced yet but a little teaser for everyone who's here we are doing our own nerdiest podcast direct on monday and we have all kinds of cool stuff to announce um you also might have gotten a little peek at my hat um so we got a lot of cool stuff coming out um and that's one of them so on monday i think it's 12 15 p.m central time we're dropping our second nerdiest podcast direct which i'm really looking forward to so that's gonna be sweet as i'm sitting there i'm like man you're doing it in person i start to think how many weeks ahead till my 100th on season two and flying everyone out that's a little more complicated it's just the two of us well maybe you always have eric at least yeah you know that'll be the one week he can't come for some reason of course of course um all right andres restart who are you what are you guys going on where can we find you um i'm andres you can find me in space that's where i usually am mentally um yeah so i make nintendo videos including zella theories and speculation about just nintendo in general uh today i put out a little metroid video kind of debating if there's going to be a physical version of the rumored metroid prime two echoes i don't think it's a given because metroid prime two sold less than metroid prime one but uh we'll see check it out and uh tomorrow there there may be a zella theory video so uh look out for that nice i love the zella theories and joey cj look you're a moderator you're a super fan where can they find you at dj joey c on twitter um i'm just an old lady who loves video games zella's my my favorite friend uh series and um of all time really but i do like my other ones i do love mario i do love bayonet a lot um octopath is what i've been playing so or what i'm going to be getting back into and i'm always down for a good split in match joey c streams when we want to see that we want to hang out have margaritas come on margarita saturday now every saturday you got to give the people what they want oh no i'm coming to nate's house uh to nate's stream and i'm just gonna crash from now on look we have room we have room because i've been following him for so long that he he was like okay god you call me and talk to me about zelda like i'm discord every single week it's like every week it really is and it's gotten crazy so just come on our spoiler cast and so now i just know that um i can just crash and i'll and we can always have margaritas margaritas are great i'm gonna give her the stream key and let her go let her go just give her the stream key yeah do you need to ask so much yeah we need the key like tell me when you want to go i'll set it up you just dream have fun yeah and you and then i'll be the guest for you i will guest call in and if we make any profits you get to keep them you can drink for me i like that there you go there you go night off a drink in but i still make the money and say i like this but yeah this sounds like a pretty cozy arrangement for me yeah yeah it works out great that works out great unless we start hitting mr beast numbers then i want half but until then well do we start hitting we started in those kind of numbers you don't worry about nintendo i might be worth more than them then we'll make that zelda movie we'll just rename on the locations and characters it's fine they do have alternative names for a reason but there is there's a canonical reason for the reasons or no really it's an actual reason like in the story like there's a reason their name is certain thing and then there's a reason why they're linked zelda as well that's it you don't see this i like to write i'm i'm a nerd happens yes all right well thank you guys for tuning in i am nathana relegence otherwise known as nintendo prime you can catch the nintendo prime podcast everywhere podcast i heard you can support the podcast directly through patreon.com slash nintendo prime otherwise guys it's been real it's been fun we'll be back next week we got some bro nation coming back lots of hype one of the og six pack coming back and i don't know who else maybe eric where who that what's the topic next week do we even know i don't have i don't know more zelda stuff there is there is one thing i have an idea for a topic for you but i haven't decided yet so i mean when they don't switch to next week that'll be the topic so thanks no you talk a lot about you okay if they do if they if the very off chance they do i'm gonna be in seattle but if they do i will i will get my laptop out or i'll be on my goddamn phone yeah hey didn't nate say something like if they announce switch to this year then i get like a whole dedicated video because i've been on the 2023 train i don't know i remember hearing that somewhere yes i think that's a great idea i think it's announced yeah i that is absolutely true nick i didn't tell you i think september direct we get it 100 hey nate if they if they announce switch to you on some ridiculous time frame like next week i think we should go back to our to your tattoo idea and we should both meet up in wisconsin and go get tattoos the funny thing is i didn't clear this idea with yulia but she has wanted me to get a test she has wanted me to get a tattoo i just don't know that the name of the system is the you have to get a name whatever the name is whatever it's system name oh my god in a cute place where everybody can't see it you just take a picture of it in a cute place i have plenty of tattoos and nobody knows that i'll have to i'll clear it should be like she'll just tell me yes but then i need to get the tattoo she wants me to get on top but you have to remember the switch to is not our pro or nx64 super any whatever the brick it is it's not being announced it's not gonna be a super long name and i can do a band around the arm yeah but it's not going to be next week it's going to be at a reasonable time it's going to be a reasonable time next week might be reasonable if it's next week i'll shave my head if it's next week i will shave my head the first week of august like right on the second here we go oh i will say it has been a slow news week the last couple weeks so yeah well that's true you know well we think that's a big deal nintendo that's like nothing yeah they release games every month i really i still think it's sometime september pikey i mean we don't have a game for august or september we were told the directs happened in september because of course there is but see the nintendo live in the games com happens right away in september like it's literally like the first so i'm like you know there's something they have to show there beforehand it has probably what it's gonna be it's gotta be in august if they're gonna have hardware it's gotta be announced in august august or bus yeah hardware and august or bus august or bus maybe one's games august or bus for 20 games com is uh let's see here games comd it's like labor day weekend right uh it is the end of august so august 23rd to the 27th and that leads right into packs west and that's the deadline oh my god and they have nintendo live this year what if they announce the system and then show it off and we got three weeks guys three weeks to announce if it doesn't happen then it's not yeah it's not then it's out this year i believe nothing i'll accept defeat after that point yeah if it's not out if it's not announced by september i've done of course the moment i say i accept defeat they'll announce it right after that week after all that fun stuff ever like oh yeah here's i want to punish myself because i was wrong month and a half later actually by the way you pretty much were right you're just just right yeah we wanted to shadow drop we just committed to the holidays so well i don't think you thought it was gonna be shadow drop like nobody thought it was that was being shadowed was a big is a console been shadow when's the last time a console been shadow dropped a console ever has there ever been one ever one of the sega systems i think was okay that'd be oh yeah they like three failed yeah one of them was shadow dropped imagine the machine doesn't release like saying you they had a lot of peripheral or add-on stuff yeah all right well thank you guys so much for tuning in uh we'll have to do this again sometime and it's been a lot of fun see you guys later thank you guys bye