 Here's one away from Fendt Hopper, 50 bucks. I think masculinity and femininity are package deal concepts. And most people aren't on the same page about what that package deal is. It's hard to define an essential to either. Different sexes can hold traits from either package deal. So I don't think they're package deals. I don't think that femininity has in it both package deal is when you put in things that belong and things that negate, things that are like self-interest is a package deal in the way it's dealt in the world today because it has in that folder both people pursuing rational self-interest, people being productive and people who are lying, cheating, stealing SOBs. And they put them together as if it's the same thing but it's not one is being self-interested, one is being self-destructive and actually the opposite of it. So package deal is putting different things into the same package and calling them the same and pretending they're the same and treating them as the same. That's by the way the idea that cis women and trans women are both women makes women a package deal of something that is a woman, a cis woman and something that isn't a woman, a trans woman. So that would be the package deal. But masculinity and femininity certainly don't have to be package deals and I don't think they offer the most part. Masculinity is particular traits that are associated with male-ness being a male and it doesn't mean that every male is only masculine. These are particular traits that you could have in particular quantities. It's about strength and physicality and masculinity and so on. And femininity is soft and more sensual but men can have elements, so a man can have elements of masculinity and femininity. A woman can have elements of masculinity and femininity. So you don't define a man or woman based on the masculinity and femininity. These are elements, these are the attributes. But so this is where it's beyond my field. So the exact relationship between masculinity and femininity and male and a female, man and woman. The exact relationship, how much of that is psychological? I think a lot of it's psychological. How much of the masculine and how much of the feminine is there some element of biology there? Some men have more testosterone than other men, more estrogen than other women. To what extent does that shape our choices of these, what do you call it, psychological characteristics? I don't know. I don't know, anybody knows but I don't know. But I don't think that in any sense, package deals, I think they're real phenomena that need to be studied, is that need to be studied and figured out and we need clear definitions of them. And I don't think this is a job for philosophers. That's why I don't think it's a job for the Iron Man Institute, it's a job for psychologists. It's a job for psychology. This is primarily an issue for psychology. I mean the issue of the trans activism, these intellectuals, that's philosophy because we're dealing with definitions, we're dealing with epistemology, we're dealing with reality, we're dealing with truth. But the issue of what is femininity, what is masculinity, how do they relate, that is all issues of psychology. They're not issues of philosophy and therefore they're not issues that the Iron Man Institute needs to deal with and they can be legitimate disagreement about these things than they are while accepting a particular philosophy. Doesn't mean all those differences of opinions are right, it just means the differences of opinion and some are right and some are wrong. Or one is right and many are wrong more typically. Go figure out which is which. Thank you for listening or watching the Iran book show. If you'd like to support the show, we make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me. You get value from listening, you get value from watching, show your appreciation. You can do that by going to iranbookshow.com slash support by going to Patreon, subscribe star locals and just making a appropriate contribution on any one of those channels. Also, if you'd like to see the Iran book show grow, please consider sharing our content and of course, subscribe, press that little bell button right down there on YouTube so that you get an announcement when we go live and for those of you who are already subscribers and those of you who already supporters of the show, thank you. I very much appreciate it.