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We have a lot of really interesting stuff in the news, including a discussion topic that I think a lot of people, especially those that are interested in journalism, are really going to want to stay tuned for. But first, let's go ahead and get into the headlines. The Verge has sources who say that Microsoft will hold a massive hardware launch in October to unveil two new Lumia handsets, a 5.2-inch 950 and 5.7-inch 950 XL. As reported last month, the XL will include support from Microsoft's Surface Pen technology and a new smart cover that has a circular cutout for easy access to notifications. Both handsets will ship with a 20-megapixel peer-view camera and the XL sporting a triple-LED flash. At the same event, Microsoft will also reveal the Surface Pro 4 and the Microsoft Band 2. The charging mechanism and overall design of the Surface Pro 4 will be similar to the Pro 3. There are no details about the new band just yet and no date has officially been set for the event. This doesn't appear to be quite the exciting announcement that some of the Microsoft press has gotten so far, but what do you think? First off, I would say that it is pretty much agreed Microsoft is making amazing hardware and software. They've done some really awesome things in the mobile space. We can all agree, right? Right now, I'm going to give you a comparison. Apple and Google have like 98% of that mobile handset. Right now, smartphones are either Apple or Google. It reminds me of like, I love the Amiga. I love the Commodore Amiga. It was awesome. It's graphics were way ahead of the curve. You could do amazing things. Modern video, nonlinear video editing for the masses was based upon using the Amiga platform. It was never going to be a contender. There are still fan clubs and conventions today for Amiga, but there was just two giants already at play, Microsoft and Apple, and then Microsoft became the behemoth. And of course, now I think it's Microsoft turned to be the Amiga. And you have to wonder whether these models are going to be reflective of what we'll see from Microsoft in the mobile space in the next five years. You know, Sacha Nadella, of course, the Sacha man who is raining Sacha madness all over, you know, all the Microsoft fandom has been very pragmatic about just getting good hardware and any element that people naturally want to interact with the Microsoft ecosystem. You have to wonder whether or not what the future of Windows Phone really is. When there was talk of like, what was going to be the legacy of Microsoft and Linux was making inroads into, you know, really taking out a big part of the corporate market and taking a lot of big share, which they did. You know, you know, Linux in variance there absolutely had a profound effect on how we did things sort of on the business side and as the internet grew, there was talk of like, you know, making a version of a Microsoft version of Linux of doing that. And there were actually development teams or people like making like the Microsoft flavor that that might be the only way they could survive which didn't happen. But now, do we need a Microsoft version of Android? I think we're going to find out. The BBC reports that a fresh set of files that appear to be leaked from Ashley Madison's data dump has been uploaded to part of the internet known by some as the dark web. The data dump was accompanied by a note addressing, sorry, address to the infidelity dating websites boss saying, hey Noel, you could admit it's real now. The name of one of these files indicates that it contains nearly 14 gigabytes worth of data from the chief executives email account one security expert who has managed to download some of the other files said they appeared to contain instructions used by computers to run the website. A very scandalous story that has kind of spawned its own little cottage industry, not unlike the Sony data hacks. Andrew, it feels like we're going through the exact same thing that we went through a few months ago where you have a lot of salacious information and then everybody had their second day think pieces about well, should we have looked into this, should we have made such a hey on obviously stolen and illegally obtained information and now we, you know, the booze is back in stock and now we run wild yet again with all these stories. I feel like we're in a Cory Doctorate novel, you know, where, because you have, the interesting thing here is the hackers where have a very moralistic point of view about why they're doing it. They're like, hey, you're cheating cheaters, now you know this and also, you know, the critical of Ashley Madison has this $19 fee that you pay to have your file erased, which apparently it weren't erased, so, you know, the prospects of this company surviving don't look extremely positive, but I'm fascinated by the point of view of just, you know, hackers with this agenda other than trying to exploit bad security or, you know, some sort of crazy, we wanted to face some political organization but say no, we don't agree with what you're doing ethically, so we're going to expose your members personally, I'm a bit, you know, it's, you know, now because of the leak, people know that I am, in fact, not married. Well, you know, hey, listen, the truth comes out. To give us an Android Wear update, we are joined by our producer, Jenny Josephson. Jenny? Our technical reports that Google announced an Android Wear update today that will add interactive watch face support, which will allow developers to write watch face apps with customized layouts and buttons that reveal information and trigger new activities. The update also has a special bonus for LG Watch Our Owners Wi-Fi support. The update will roll out to all Android Wear devices in the coming weeks. You know, whether or not Android Wear survives as an ecosystem remains to be seen, but the fact that there is a market for customized layouts for smartwatches I think is without a doubt, I would love an Apple Watch Marketplace where I could get specifically designed watch faces that are plugged into the apps that I use the most and find the most useful on my Apple Watch. Yeah, it's a good sign for the overall market. Andrew, is that something that you would be interested in? I'm watchless right now. And I had an Apple Watch, I have an Apple Watch, I wear it from time to time, but it's made me rethink a lot about how I use technology. Really? I liked it because I said, you know what, it keeps me from taking my phone out, it's easy to respond to text messages, but you know what else I found does that? I'm not taking my phone out. So I have not made up my opinion on it, but I do have this sort of like, we talk about the wearable future and I'm in of a mind like, I don't know if I want that. I like my computer time to be my computer time and I kind of like my other time to be my other time. Microsoft introduced a new feature in Bing Search for Android that analyzes what's on your screen to bring you useful, relevant information without switching apps. The new feature is similar to Google's now on tap in the upcoming Android Marshmallow OS update. VentureBeat reports that the new Bing feature works with any app, just long press the home button, it will read the contents of your screen, image and all and display related information in an overlay. Microsoft also announced a new Bing Knowledge and Action Graph API that developers can use to integrate Bing's smarts into their apps. Microsoft will launch with the new feature first on Android and will follow on Windows 10 desktop and mobile devices. The company is also exploring options to extend it to other platforms like iOS. Another interesting move by Microsoft to kind of put their technology and as useful a place as possible. Could you see iOS going for something like this, Andrew? I think that there's been a talk that the nuclear option for Apple that they really wanted to go to war with Google is to come out with their own search engine that's not as dependent upon accumulating data about you that's useful to advertisers and Microsoft is certainly you know the making big inroads for trying to make being a very useful tool. I'm told it's very good for searching for pornography I don't have no first-hand knowledge of this but making that available to other people making those tools available for other developers to incorporate I think is a great way. There was a lot of early support that Google did for like hey how to incorporate this into your site, how to do that and that's still there but then they dialed back a lot on that and I think that creates an opening and I think that's an area where I still think that Microsoft has a lot of potential because once you change your little search bar you don't think about it. It's a heck of a lot easier to get somebody to do that than to switch over to a new device. Absolutely. Amazon said that starting in September it will no longer accept flash ads on Amazon.com or the Amazon advertising program sorry, platform. According to Digidae.com Amazon said the move is a reaction to the recent anti-flash tweaks from browser makers which have taken aim at flash over the past few months. The company posted a statement on its technical specs page writing this change ensures customers continue to have a positive consistent experience across Amazon and its affiliates and that the ad displayed across the site function properly for optimal performance. You can file that one under S for sick burn. Flash in the final days of its long and proud life, right Andrew? We saw when the iPhone came out and Apple announced they were not going to support flash and there was a lot of outrage over this because it's a very very convenient tool for creating things and there was Steve Jobs wrote an entire letter explaining this. He foresaw the problems with it and one of the things that you would hear the statistic like oh 95% of video on the web is served by flash. You break that down yet 94% of that was advertising material and that was cramming through your phones, cramming through your computers, filling up your bandwidth was how much was being used to serve flash ads and to do that and that was the real tool and why it existed for so long is because it's an advertising tool. It has great great game applications on things but ultimately that's the purpose it served and it just became Kledger and Kledger and Kledger and so thank goodness. The Guardian reports that the UK's information commissioner's office has ordered Google to remove nine links to news stories about a 10 year old criminal offence because the information within the stories was already removed from search under the EU's right to be forgotten. The British ruling stated that this is a case where the information is about an individual in public life or we're making the information available would protect the public from improper or unprofessional conduct and that quote the information is not reasonably current unquote because obviously the commission can see into the future and knows that removing this information will never have any impact known or unknown on future decisions by other people says every journalist ever in a huff. Google now has 30 days to remove the links sorry 33 days to remove the links but can appeal to a higher body many many many more words on this topic in the discussion section. Yes in an effort to make selfies less painless to take the Verge reports that Huawei is putting the camera on its new Honor 7i smartphone on a pivot. The pivot allows the camera to flip over and use the high quality f2 aperture camera as well as the flash below it to take a healthy pic instead of relying on a low quality user facing camera on most smartphones. The Honor 7i runs Android on a snapdragon 616 processor with LTE on a 5.2 inch 1080p screen and offers a choice between 2 gigabytes of RAM plus 16 gigabytes of storage or 3 gigabytes of RAM with 32 gigabytes of onboard storage it's right now only available in China with prices starting around 250 US dollars sadly no one has yet come up with an effort to make selfies less painless to look at. The Verge reports that Gamefly streaming gaming service is now available on select smart or Samsung smart TVs support for Samsung's TVs were already available in a few countries but today support has expanded to involve a number of key markets including the US, Canada, Mexico, Britain, Ireland, Poland, most of western Europe and Kevin Bacon. Gamefly says that the service should work on most Samsung smart TVs made from 2014 onwards. The Verge also reports that Sony officially unveiled its smart band 2 after accidentally publishing the details earlier this year the smart band 2 which Sony calls a life logging device now as a heart rate monitor but doesn't have a screen instead it uses vibration and LED to convey notifications from the user's Android or iOS smartphone the smart band 2 goes on sale in September for around $132 and will be available in black and white at launch with pink and indigo versions added quote-unquote shortly after. Andrew, we had a little mini discussion about wearables in general is here's what I worry about this market are we just involving too many ways to try and communicate it feels like we're very much just throwing a lot of spaghetti against the wall to kind of see what sticks it's either a mirror of your phone or it's some other weird way that we are trying to figure out your watch or wrist wants to communicate with you and what they want to talk to you about you think something as basic as this might be the right way to do it because it's so simple I think that there is IoT Internet of Things you talk about the idea of having all this data and trying to gather this stuff from the quantified life and there is tremendously a value to it but we can only sort of see the short to the horizon right now and that is my phone's talking to this and it's doing that sort of stuff but the really interesting stuff is a little bit further out there and then when that happens we monitor your heart rate throughout the day and we notice you got really tense around 2 o'clock and you talk to your boss and if you have caffeine before it makes your life a lot more difficult I don't know how we get there and we are going to be trying a lot of different things to get there like the Apple Watch we said before you still use yours, Brett wears his I wear mine time to time but I kind of realize like man I sometimes just want to shut all of that stuff off so yes we have to throw spaghetti I don't know what the right spaghetti is Well PSFK reports Static Moon Studios is throwing some more spaghetti against the wall developing the prototype for another kind of wearable the freewheel is actually designed to track activity for people who use wheelchairs the device attaches to wheelchairs without interfering with the user's movement or the wheelchairs function and it collects different type of data including inclined to decline acceleration and speed the information is then transferred via bluetooth to the user smartwatch or mobile app and can be used for fitness purposes but there is a possible broader application where it could be used to crowdsource a terrain map for other wheelchair users which would actually be pretty amazing if you think about it again still just a prototype the company is working on finding the right partner to release the wearable but this one seems like in comparison to an Apple Watch that maybe people are like yeah maybe I could use it, maybe okay this could be immediately useful and even life changing for a lot of people That sounds really cool and that sounds like a great idea in defense of the Apple Watch too though the ability for it to collect a lot of data for like medical research and other things is great and you could probably within there using the sensorometer and using the accelerometers and other devices you might be able to do something like that with this but I love the fact that here's a company saying hey how do we improve the life of these people who have to transport themselves where six inches up a curb can make all the difference in the world is very fond of the function in Slack that allows us to endlessly post Giffy GIFs inside of our chat space but sometimes Giffy doesn't quite deliver the right GIF for our exact intent well today Giffy released a new app that allows iOS users to create their own five second long GIFs with stupendous ease add some meme friendly graphics and share across most social media platforms the app even switches the file over to a looping video and apps like Instagram that don't support GIFs one limitation the app doesn't yet allow you to cobble together previously shot images inside your camera roll that requires users to take fresh video seems like we are getting close to the ultimate death star efficient GIF making machine you know although I don't know how much this gets used it's only new video this is very exciting functionality wise I don't know how exciting it is going to be even for the GIF crazy like we are here at DTDS if you have to shoot something new every time Andrew the beauty of GIFs and things like that is to quickly pull up something you already made it's a wonderful form of communication and it's an efficient form of communication when it's quick and immediate create a new one as you pointed out that seems to get away from why these things are popular you know you can always check us out on reddit reddit.com.r it's where we find so many of our news stories one that came in from flying spatula is that the latest terms of service the latest terms of service sure to cause hand ringing courtesy of Forbes privacy policy today should you accept it you will allow Spotify to access the sensor information on your phone so it can determine whether you are walking, running, or standing still it also wants to know your GPS coordinates grab photos from your phone and look through contacts it may share that information with its partners so a whole load of companies could know exactly where you are and what you're up to last for comments Spotify said throughout the privacy and security customer's data is and will remain Spotify's highest priority I mean behind money and our success you know us doing well and being competitive in the marketplace Justin added completely editorially too far a bridge too far for Spotify Andrew I mean if you're Spotify there's some questions you want to know are people listening to this sitting still are people listening to this in their car where are they listening to this in their car and you know that opens up the opportunity like oh man you know Justin has this route to work and he passes a lot of coffee beans on the way there and if we have this if he gives us this data then if we want to plug in a commercial man hey how about some fresh coffee bean why don't you get some coffee you know what Justin there's one just a mile up ahead on the right it becomes an incredibly power advertising tool which is what I think it's for is that's purely how do they better deliver advertising content to you through there well and for Spotify with a gigantic unpaid audience that is a massive massive issue for them they really do need to monetize that should they want to be as successful as they can hell ever customer satisfaction is at an all time high in a very competitive marketplace with a very very well healed competitor who is going to do any and everything and has been very active in pointing out where they do not want you as an advertiser speaking of course of Apple music and sent us this a tech spot report that Google's data center in Belgium lost data after it was struck by lightning four times it wasn't struck by lightning it was actually the power grid apparently that was the update to it that the power grid was struck by lightning I guess not in Google's data center all right well as per the latest report I could keep it wrong the initial the initial report cited a Google incident report indicating that automatic auxiliary systems quickly restored power that the systems were also on battery backups that an experience extended or repeated battery drain Google said manual intervention was required to restore the systems to their normal state and unfortunately a smaller amount of data was permanently lost company said it takes full responsibility for the data loss and said it is also in the process of upgrading the storage hardware that is less susceptible to power failure mode that triggered the incident hmm hey Andrew Main will you do me an awesome favor and drop your speakers just a little bit because we are getting some feedback and we determined it might be coming from inside the house guys pre-show pre-show I'm sorry that's not what I can do now oh dear all right well hang in there everybody star fairy Zeta Senneth the Engadgett article about scientists from the George Washington University which just so happens to be my alumni school who recently presented to the American chemical society something that could potentially be pretty radical turns out they worked out a solar power process to pull carbon out of the atmosphere and turn it into carbon nanofibers since most scientists agree that the earth already has too much CO2 in the air this could have some future beneficial effect and in an article in the MIT tech review it's claimed that with a large enough facility the process could maybe I'm not even going to say actually just maybe return the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere to pre-industrial levels in just a decade but what can you make with those carbon fibers that you're sucking out of the atmosphere well you know aircraft fuselages cars artificial diamonds so it turns out Lucy that your diamonds really were in the sky after all very interesting scientific breakthrough and I want to leave it right there instead of venturing into the political hotbed world of climate change very interesting technical information and that is our headlines alright let's get into this decision by the UK's Information Commissioners Office it's a ruling to Google and it is enforcing the EU's new push to have that citizens have a right to be forgotten the British ruling stated that this is not a case where the information is about an individual in public life or where making the information available would protect the public from improper or unprofessional conduct and really here's the big money quote here the information is not reasonably current Andrew the knee jerk you know old newspaper journalist in me wants to get up and stop my feet and say that this is you know at best an overreach by government and at worst an Orwellian memory hole am I going too far the knee jerk patriot going back to the founding principles of our country and why we decided to distance ourselves from the ideals of the old world has an equally strong reaction to that being said since we're all going to be in agreement that the right to be forgotten is a horrible fundamentally evil concept I will defend it all right there we go get on you know get your boots on and tell me why we are being very very silly with our our Google way we didn't live in a world of facts and information in that we need to live in a world where we all feel better about ourselves and that you know we should not have our feelings hurt our things that we did in the past or maybe didn't do or whatever you know be brought up again I think that it doesn't go far enough the right to be forgotten I think that not only should we ask that Google not link to this stuff I think we should ask for things to be totally retracted both not just online I mean these we still have libraries in places I think we should develop tools that go through people's computers and erase this stuff because it's still there it can still creep up and if we're going to follow through what we think is the right for us to sort of move forward with our lives if Justin Robert Young has access to this information that we deemed is not relevant to the presence he should not have access to it and not just stopping there I think we should develop technology that maybe overwrites the way we think perhaps too so we can take it out of your memories because the last thing I want to be is a cocktail party where you're there talking to somebody else and say you know what Andrew did years ago in a Taco Bell oh my god okay shouldn't happen because my feelings would be hurt and I have a right to be forgotten not just online but in the real world so the moral thing to do is we need to develop that men in black memory wipe technique and just continue this now in the Jeff Goldblum life finds away philosophy the BBC has listed a comprehensive a diary or a blog post of all the links that have now been removed by Google so they are still occupied in one I'll be a very hard to navigate big soup of various BBC links Jenny let's go ahead and join in and make this a three-part harmony how screwed up is this this is so screwed up I'm so sorry I'm just gonna come down completely on the side of I I will go as far as to say that I suppose there are certain cases of absolutely 100% inaccurate information about a human being a single individual that could be corrected in some form by somebody and I would suggest that modern day newspapers on the internet have a really great way of doing is which they go into their article that they already wrote and they put in this one word and it's called update or maybe they write article about it saying well it looks like earlier information was incorrect and then they update it and then that appears in search so there's one way another way is if say you're like some business retailer a real estate guy and making big deals in Ibiza or something and maybe you break the law 10 years ago and you want that removed why don't you take some of your earnings and hire a crisis PR firm to get you another article in the paper and do something to update the public's perception of you but about that thing though you're assuming that this is some wealthy business person that can afford to do that though you know I'm we had an incident with our with our eye tricks our news site make this very clear Andrew thinks right to be forgotten fundamentally evil okay that being said we had an article we ran a thing about some guy who was arrested or charged with like ripping off like a magic shop or something he worked at you know and we got a request a couple years later because he was when he typed in his name he was the number one fine search there he wrote to us he said hey you know this is affecting me could you pull this and at first he did not he was he threatened us in a way that was not the way to get us to do you a favor you know and we're like not not with that attitude and then he was a bit more conciliatory and whatever and says could you please do this and Justin I talked about it we're like alright we cover news we're we're an entertainment site we're not a site designed to get into crime stories reports things like that like you know what we'll pull it you know we'll pull the story we'll pull this there because we don't want to adversely affect this guy in this way and that's not our mission if we were doing a regular a tech news site or something like that absolutely would not have pulled it you know that was relevant would have been important statement that was fine we had another thing come up where we had somebody else who did something else that we had covered and because we are the you know the biggest magic news site and you know we thought about it we said we've done that a couple times because for our site and what we do we thought it was okay with our mission where we you know a conventional news thing to do that but to be forced to do this to whatever if we were we wouldn't we would we would have refused to have done it if we were being forced to do it but you just pointed it out Andrew this is about fairness we're reasonable and we decided that that was the right thing to do because it was what's wrong with just a referee between the aggrieved and the publisher that just makes a reasonable understanding that some things just need to go away who gets to the government I'm sure the government is exactly the right entity to do that Justin I'll just say absolutely without question well and this again is the EU so the overarching government that this is the UK's information commissioners office enforcing the right to be forgotten by the EU so it is one level even removed from the local element of that for the BBC I'm sorry go ahead I have one we've seen to that effect we have seen abuses local governments and otherwise far extending versions or things about that to shut down criticism of city councils and other things and we'll use these laws to protect their own you know you look at what happens what's going on the veterans administration right now and just the shredding records things like that and then you look at how anytime you say no we have a right sometimes to say you don't have you ever we have a right to tell you sometimes you can't say something that's true where does that stop well there is one thing coming which is how about that a racer law that's in effect in California since may that there's actually you know something things might like this might be coming to the United States like it's not just the European Union at this point like we there are inroads and people say well maybe we should have this too and if it's not gone in the US maybe the EU will turn around and say hey this should be global you know like this is not just something unfortunately that we can like say that's just Europe you know oh there there are people in this country who equate you know who think that you will call you a nut if you're super pro free speech there are people in this country who do not support the full application of the idea that we should have a right to say what we want you know be held accountable we say things that are inaccurate but that's you know they you get debates and it's not we're not all 99% for this it can be in particularly in college campuses in areas now today you get a lot of anti-free speech you get a lot more well feel people's feelings matter most and it's this the idea of the right not to be offended yeah well you know we will have to see where this goes I certainly the first thing that came to my mind in reading this was this is why I am I am proud to have somebody like Alex Jones in our media landscape not to say that I agree with Alex Jones I disagree with him on quite a lot but if there is somebody yelling and screaming about stuff that is far more trivial than these kinds of overarching government laws and enforcement of said laws then I think that maybe you know there there is a natural antibody within our media ecosystem that you know is keying in on these kinds of over arching decisions let me sum up I'm 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I've heard great stuff about these books absolutely check it out and send your picks to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com and you can always find Tom's picks at dailytechnewshow.com slash picks got a couple messages here for you Ryan from perpetually cloudy Rochester New York right hey guys had to email in about the film that changes based on the viewer state of mind where Scott mentioned brothers of brothers of viewers having thoughts like don't go in there causing the system to load the scene where the character doesn't quote unquote go there I think that the technology for movies can do that with better will be better suited for responding to a specific mood frustration from a rough day at work as one example as opposed to the outcome of the film from there to try and evoke a more positive mood it could also work on the contrary someone who's upbeat might be inclined to tackle a tear jerker now Jenny fill me in on this on this story that Scott was talking about last it's pretty awesome there's a guy who is developing a technology so that it movie just a short film becomes something of a choose your own adventure except you're not doing the choosing the movie makes the decisions based on what your brain is giving off like your brain is afraid and says don't go down that hallway you're either going down the hallway or not going down the hallway depending on what they decide that is it's it's incredibly amazing and let me I'm pulling it up from yesterday but to give you more specifics about it but it just like it's pretty wild and you are a of course and published author a creator of so many stories not only in the narrative side but also especially for magic theory and performance there's a lot of very intuitive cycle or psychology that goes into that you were wincing at the at the description of that technology why the winds it's a horrible idea it's a horrible idea if you want to call it a game that works that way it's fine but you know interactive cinema there every it's it's been tried for a long time remember the nineties they had a thing where the audience could vote on which way should we go here should we go there which is just a big dumb game that's not that exciting we had a huge argument a huge argument on weird things and after things about star wars canon and and brian who was emotionally damaged by I mean scarred scarred for life over the fact that they said you know what this version of things that happen didn't happen and so you know a idea of watching something and then have it like now we're going to cater to the way you want because I don't I mean these things get proposed often by people who have not interested in narrative structure I guess and to me it's just like I don't I can certainly see there's going to be a tremendous value netflix read me tell me what I'm going to watch tonight but at a certain point you know somebody has to be making a decision and there's been cinema where things play out differently whatever it's a novelty but I want George R. R. Martin to tell me the damn story he wants to if we you know we get upset like oh don't do that don't do that but the brain that was smart enough to think out that part it's going to have a much better ending in mind than I am but isn't it just a matter of creating branching endings that the creator is still obviously in control of the endings but it's releasing control of that narrative structure to the viewer that it's creating multiple stories like a multiverse of stories as opposed to ruling out you know ruling them out it's not saying you can't have the ending that the guy intended is just saying he intended you to have a whole bunch of different things well let me let me let me ask you this because that will also direct everybody that both of the Jessica Blackwood novels are available the angel killer and name of the devil on Amazon and wherever you might find all your favorite books Andrew I know through your creation of both of these you did write multiple different pathways for these characters you wrote multiple different endings there were different decisions in various forms of the final product that had them in different positions would you feel comfortable giving the audience the choice so that they might find themselves more fulfilled because they get the version that you approve that they like the best no no it would not I mean as a kid I loved reading choose your own adventure books choose your own adventure books were a lot of fun there and they were based on a game they're actually based on going further back you know a dungeon or a tunnel cave exploration game type style thing and that's games if we want to talk about games that's fine but we're talking about narrative narrative implies one pathways like yeah I wrote another version of one of the books that I then said you know what not happy whether this is let me rewrite it and actually went back to that earlier version that's what got published the second version isn't there you know certainly other artists can have other ways that they want to entertain and create and can create these multiverse things like this I think inherently when you start pushing more of the decisions up to the user you're creating a game and just to call it a game but otherwise a narrative should be in there this is a story I'm gonna bring you here I'm gonna take you places you don't want to go but to the end you know I'm gonna entertain you well you can find out whether or not Andrew made the right decisions for Jessica Blackwood and all of the characters in both name of the devil and it's forbearer the angel killer by going and picking up both those books in e-book and print copies anything else that we should know about that you got going on Andrew I would love for you to check out if you go to boing boing dot net we're doing an event called weekend of wonder and weekend of wonder is going to be this event where you get to chill out for several days at this fantastic location where at the Riverside mission in Riverside it's this amazing historic in the just absolutely beautiful built like 1877 are 1902 are renamed but anyhow check this out go to boing boing dot net weekend of wonder it's September 18th 19th in the 20th and you're gonna have such interesting personalities they're like me I'll be putting people in straight jackets maybe letting you out showing you how that works you're gonna have Olivia Olson and Martin Olson as we know from Adventure Time and Martin Olson did the adventures of Phineas and Ferb I'm gonna be there like I said we're gonna have a bunch of really cool guests there and surprises so check that out you know go to boing boing dot net read about the weekend of wonder buy your tickets if you are in the Southern California area or can get yourself there and after all that why don't you scroll down the page a little bit on boing boing dot net to see their little write up on a Kickstarter called the contender card game that me and a couple other people put together it has done very very well thanks in large part to the dedication and support of daily tech news show listeners thank you all so so much we are in our final 10 days and this is the last chance we're going to have to make this base deck for everybody who's already put in as big as possible so go ahead on over the contender dot us slash Kickstarter take a look at all the rewards if you want to upgrade another one now is the time and tell a friend tell a neighbor tell your congressional representative that they need to learn about the contender because if we get to 2000 backers we all get 50 more cards in that base deck so go ahead and check it out the contender dot us slash kick starter we'd also like to thank all 5000 34 patrons who support this very show daily tech news show dot com slash support our email address is feedback at daily tech news show you can call us 512 59 daily that is 512 593 2459 and listen to the show live Monday through Friday at 430 p.m. 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the microsoft amiga the web is dark and full of data leaks which I really like don't you forget about me haha yeah where'd that go ow don't flash me bro I can't is this on is this on don't you forget about me simple minds isn't that by glass tiger though uh wait what isn't that by glass tiger don't you forget about me no isn't that by okay I give up I don't know a flash in the band I don't quite get that one simple minds simple minds whatever one of those 80's bands how many times do I have to say simple minds how many times is this you only heard it the last time you said how many times do I have to say simple minds how about don't you forget about me as a title dumb idea what a great idea you had dumbest idea I've heard you have a lot of dumb ideas out dumb your dumb self dumb ideas oh tinvec is pretty sure we use don't you forget about me before well that's because it's a dumb idea about the dark dark web yeah because the dark dark web whatever you said before I'm going to try to take credit before don't flash me bro yeah why didn't Spotify get your mass text it's verified it's in your context um oh spyify ooh I like that one um let's see ow um sorry I mean Spotify's got a little uber in them like they kind of don't care and they're a little aggressive yeah do you know who directed the straight out of Compton video who the original video the original video oh wow really that's amazing Tom is writing me how did the show go still going uh let's see all right let's pick one pick one you guys are title pickers pick a title uh yeah uh I like spyify okay I like that too Bryce I think it's so as long as we've already somebody double-check that we have used don't you forget about me um hold on I don't know it might have been on show the older um I don't let's see if I can figure that out oh I have no problem stealing from that franchise how would I best figure this out I guess dailytechnewshow.com and search uh oh people are saying it's not on uh oh never been used all right that's it don't you forget about me don't you forget about me all right double minds did that song do you know that? simple minds trust me guys it's going to go down as the worst idea ever put that in parentheses for the title I do love spyify I have to say but I'm going to go with I'm going to go with the consensus of the crowd um by the way thank you guys for not uh noticing that I or not saying anything but I accidentally closed out all of chrome forgetting that I was on google hangouts wait wait wait you know what maybe it should be don't don't don't don't you forget about me this is this is moot the question is moot uh brice you pick it you make the call don't you forget about me it's great you already typed it in I also really typed it in two places I have to type it in all right so it's selected you know selected um let's see what else is going on people oh the contender yeah I didn't realize you guys got written up written up on bling bling that's awesome yeah um Mark from Mark Froenfelder hey that was earlier this morning that's great yeah and that in large part because contender is awesome because contender is great yeah um and uh we you know it takes a village to raise a Kickstarter and uh I've had tremendous help from so many people including uh Jenny and Andrew I uh uh since I'm doing that event with boing boing I went to a pre-event party to talk about what we're putting together and uh then I pitched him told him about the contender and then Mark came to the link and then Mark texted me yesterday he goes hey is that Brian brushwood in the video like yeah he works as an extra you know for fun you know whatever it's uh um yeah I watched that video again last night just to re-familiarize myself with it it is really good that's a really good Kickstarter video oh thank you well done we were happy with it if I could do it again I'd make it a little less formal but I think it's fine for what it is I would have made my speech a little bit more natural because when I'm not like doing a thing nah I don't know Justin no I don't really get that much better or not I don't know maybe it does don't you forget about me is what the title should be the simple mind song I don't think it was simple minds guys and uh I think it's still a horrible title in the movie soundtrack he was featured in the movie I feel like I'm being watched pretty in pink holy crap we're in mid-August and they're only at Hurricane Danny the first hurricane of the Atlantic season is it DA and I please tell me it's DA and I like a stripper it wouldn't be the first DA and I to make her way to south Florida where it lands sorry wrong wrong John Hughes wrong super formative 80s movie what did you say oh wait you said pretty in pink I said pretty in pink second dollar first and that was Molly Ringwald played the song for John Hughes he said oh cool so he kind of wrote that for Molly that is a very adorable child was that some sort of new Amazon I'm part of I'm part of a club and uh after you turn in about a hundred premium stamps you get one of these sir that is an awesome club it is that is a beautiful child there I thought I was getting sea monkeys and I got a kid oh well you want to know what I thought that would be late for a hurricane hurricane Andrew formed on August 16 and made landfall almost weren't they trying to do something with the names I remember about naming hurricanes to make it less offensive or something I don't know it was like a year ago a couple of years ago I think they should sell the naming rights to like rival cities that would be great you know what you could pay in it would be kind of like a Lotto system putting your entry form and if you win you officially get to name the hurricane as long as it's not offensive why limit yourself I mean like a hurricane trump or something you know like we got like Miami Dolphin says like well like maybe who would be like a rival like bills are patriots probably the biggest dolphin rival so you get a bunch of new English leaders to pay name it after the New England whatever kind of thing and so when it ravages through the city of Miami they can just treat it like a victory yeah I mean there is the whole likely death thing you know you put 80,000 people into a stadium not everybody is going to go home alive fair point now they're saying in the Ashley Madison leaks that there are people with White House email addresses White House and Pentagon Pentagon I believe Pentagon is a huge bill it employs thousands of people but the White House I don't know so question that's shocking to you Roger that people in the White House it just seems like are you using your White House email yeah that's my point why wouldn't you just use a Google email you know what I mean hello why not use your White House dot gov thing if you're trying to impress somebody and pick somebody up why get it they didn't say which administration so it depends on how long Ashley Madison has been around whether it's just the Obama administration or whether it's been around since and it could just be some low level staffer I like being let around by the nose being mercilessly those are both options Madison can you just imagine like the entire staff of Gawker being recalled from their summer vacations and locked in a room with this data and just being told like do not come out until you have everyone Ashley Madison launched by avid life media in 2001 yeah alright so lots of White House officials could be part of it I'm curious to know it would be interesting if it was like you know some cabinet member and it's like really that guy I very much believe that I do not think that creepsters looking to cheat on their marriage is a party issue no no no I know but I'm just saying like it's less of a party issue and more of like you know how high up do you need to be before you realize well you know maybe this isn't the smartest thing to do apparently congress level well congress I believe they're all very venal individuals anyway that's a broad brush there's 535 plus 100 of them they can all be venal most how's that you know they got in there somehow like a high ranking congressman who maybe was married to somebody heavily involved in a current political campaign could have his name pop up in it oh wow I wonder if the right to be forgotten could tie in with that with the Ashley Manis well I signed up a long time ago I want to be forgotten that would be so great if we just like rammed through the right to be forgotten yeah all of a sudden the right to be forgotten is going to be real popular in the United States congress yeah but that's the thing like if there's enough dudes who got busted in this that like doesn't have to be dudes dudes and chicks and they have enough for a majority you know in congress to ram a law through it's the embarrassed caucus that really is actually a scary thought and that is really the best argument for the right to be forgotten anywhere all right I'm out of the post all right awesome I'll drop in the note notes do you need me to handle archive video Jenny? sure that would be awesome coolio all right I gotta deal with this one so I will see you guys and great show Andrew and that guy's name is bye gang see ya Bryce are we at alpha geek? no we are not yet I would say super proprietary things after