 It is six o'clock and I will call the fourth regular common council meeting to order. Will the clerk please call the roll for the day? All right leaders don't force people to follow they invite them on a journey All right, will the clerk please call the roll all the person athlete all the person Decker Yeah, all the person Feldy all their person Flicky Panesky all their person Heidemann all their person Mitchell Alderperson Pirella all the person Salazar all the person Rust there are nine presents All right. Thank you for everyone in attendance. If you're able to stand, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all All right next is approval of the minutes from our previous meeting Alder Feldy prove Motion second any discussion on the minutes from our previous meeting Seeing none all those in favor, please state aye. Aye. Any opposition minutes are approved Next item four is confirmation of mayoral appointments Alder Feldy. I move to confirm Second motion and seconds any discussion Seeing none. This is a roll call vote. Please refer to your Muni code All right, I'm up I guess I move that all candidates. Oh wait. Nope. Nope. Nope. Okay. I move Okay I'm lost We're just waiting for people to vote. We're still waiting for Alder Feldy flaky Pineski and Heidemann to vote You're good Joe. I Got it. Nice All right, that is approved next item five election to fill the vacancy for older in the elder district five Alder Feldy our call for a motion to open up the floor for nominations I'm call for a motion to open up nominations from You're the second one open up nominations. Sorry about that Okay, I moved that all candidates who provided applications to the city clerk are hereby Nominated Angela ramp Rami and Josh fit Voting will be done by open ballot The candidate with the majority of votes will be elected Second, is there a sec? There's been a motion in second to provide all applications All applications that provided And there's been a second. All right first we'll call up the candidates who submitted their application for The position first will have Angela Rami if you just want to come just ask the candidates to speak for Three to four ish minutes. So if you come up to the podium, just state your name and give an introduction Hello My name is Angela Rami and it is a privilege to be here to ask for your support for the district five seat on the Common Council Next spring will mark my 10th year of residency in Sheboygan I moved here from Appleton, Wisconsin to start my career at the John Michael Kohler Art Center where I'm currently the performing arts program director I'm a mother of two young daughters and just welcomed my retired parents as they relocated to be closer to us My family and I have lived in district five for eight years and we are proud to call Sheboygan our home My role at JMKC has allotted me the opportunity to work with different city departments throughout the years Most notably would be my role in the planning and implementing of the Leatherdamp-Sheboygan music series Which continues to bring our community together as we gather on the city green on Thursday nights all summer long. I Have seen firsthand tremendous progress we can make when we work together with local businesses Organizations and city departments to build community Seeing this impact is at the core of why I chose to be in the nonprofit sector As a lifelong learner I am excited for the opportunity to study more about how our city operates and how I can use my years of experience and Education to assist in the work that you have all been doing to make sure Sheboygan continues to be a great place to live work and play I Planned to fully engage in the district invite conversation and Discover what the district five constituents need for their best quality of life Thank you all for your time and consideration I humbly ask for your vote and we look forward to serving beside you on behalf of the citizens of district five Thank you Next is Joshua Fick. Hello everybody. Hello Angela We live like four houses down never even Realized that that's who I was running against So my name is Josh Fick. I have lived in Sheboygan for 34 years attended local schools and now have Five kids in the community who are also attending our local public schools and when I got the opportunity to Run for this position I got asked about it And I was really excited because a couple years ago. I ran for the school board. I wanted to help there That ended up not working out. So then this opportunity came up and I feel that it It was almost just a calling that okay. I still need to be involved with my community some way somehow And with having five kids and growing up in this community I've seen it turn into a great place, but I believe there are some things that we could do To make it even better And I believe with me growing up in this community and raising my kids in it now I get to see all that Sheboygan has to offer I've worked at the same job for the last 24 years I started there when I was 10 washing trucks empty and garbage Doing all the stuff and now I'm in sales And I sell janitorial supplies and I travel all over the United States So I get to see a lot of different cities and what they're doing as far as helping their communities I've lived in district five for the Next week will be eight years that I've been there, but I've been in Sheboygan my entire life And I really believe I can help the community And bring some positive stuff to Sheboygan I Ask you guys for your vote on this and I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you Thank you All right, all the candidates having spoken will the clerk please distribute the paper ballots and then For the elders once you are done Please just raise them up and then Meredith will collect them from you and then I'm going to run because former elders sent something and it just got released from the spam All right, I believe all ballots have been received the clerk will call the roll of the votes Okay for Rami, we have Ackley Decker, Feldy, Falecki Pineski, Pirella, Rust, and Salazar and for FICC We have Heidemann and Mitchell. All right, so having a majority of voted Angela Rami has been appointed and elected to older district five. Congratulations So it's a very shot-in approach of how we do this so you'll come on up and the clerk will administer the oath Raise your right hand. Hi Angela Rami having been elected having been elected to the office of Alderperson District Five. To the office of Alderperson District Five swear that I will support swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the constitution of the State of Wisconsin and will faithfully discharge Faithfully discharge the duties of said office the duties of set office to the best of my ability, to the best of my ability. So help me God. So help me God. Thank you very much. All right, so we have a few presentations today. First is by Brayden. If you want to come up to the podium and Brayden will do an introduction of his presentation. So my name is Brayden Schmidt. I live in District 2. I moved to Sheboygan four or five years ago now officially and I work for Kohler Company. I do market research and category strategy. So as part of that job I work with lots of data to understand market trends and needs and I'm held accountable to how we meet those needs by measuring the financial performance of my category. So we're going to talk about affordable and sustainable development and as we go through that we're just going to kind of start off with how to measure the financial performance of what is your category which is all of the land within the boundaries of the city. So I'll just start off with the presentation. All right, so look at two commercial properties first just to kind of understand what I'm talking about when I when I look at measuring value. And the first part is just actual assessed value. So pulled off of the city's website the property assessments because when it comes to the revenue that the city generates it comes from property taxes. So look at that assessed value. Look at Myer that's 13.7 million dollars also creates value as an employer 2 to 300 jobs is the average for a Myer grocery store according to their corporate website. Three businesses technically on that property because there's Myer and then within there there's a color credit union and Starbucks. 15 or 3 North 8th there's a much smaller building much lower cost $82,800 is the assessed value three to five jobs a couple on either side there's two businesses one on each side and there is also one two-bedroom apartment on the top. So when you look at this it's kind of hard to compare the value of these two places because they are so different but they're both within the city they're both using land and resources and infrastructure. So if you're going to compare these you have to look at it as how effectively they use that land the best way to do that is on a per acre basis look at the value of this place per acre. So per acre Myer creates nine hundred sixty four thousand dollars of value about 14 to 21 jobs there's no housing but we kind of already knew that and there is just that one business then if you're doing it on a per acre basis. 15 or 3 North 8th though because it's the small compact building on a small lot two stories doing a lot of different things creates three million dollars per acre it would have room for 90 to 150 jobs if you had an acre of these types of buildings 33 two bedroom apartments and room for 66 small businesses. So it would take four and a half acres of buildings like 15 or 3 North 8th to create the equal value of Myer's 14 plus acres and providing you know 50 percent more jobs in 152 bedroom units. So it's not like we can just you know plot these down anywhere and call it valuable but it just helps understand how useful and valuable places that use their space effectively and efficiently are. We've lots of buildings like this in our downtown kind of run through and you can see these different places like 902 on the avenue that's a far and girl on one floor apartment on the second floor 3.8 million dollars. One of the five top five most valuable places on a per acre basis in the city is legend Larry's 5.9 million dollars they make incredible use of their space and all of these buildings have one thing in common they're all old they've all been around for generations generating that wealth for the city for generations and part of that is that they're flexible they can change over time to meet the needs of the community like the building in the top left has been you know a vacuum store in a bike shop and now there's offices on the first or on the second floor and coffee shop on the first these things can change to meet the community over communities needs over time. Big box stores kind of like the one that we just showed you with Myer can't really do that as well they start off initially less valuable and then depreciate over time like Walmart operates on the 15 to 20 year depreciation cycle so what that means is they try and depreciate their buildings down to zero so they don't have to pay as much property tax and then they move on to a different building eventually. So these reached the end of their life you can see shopco 2019 was the last year it was open 238 thousand dollars on a per acre basis so it's 25 times less valuable than legend Larry's. So just another quick example we have a lot of quick trips so here's a quick trip and then here's a little piece of land on North 8th Street this is near where I live none of these mixed use buildings have shops in the front anymore but they still have apartments. The quick trip cranks out 650 thousand dollars per acre these underused buildings create 850 thousand dollars per acre so even though they're not being used to their highest capacity they're still creating more value on a per acre basis than something like a quick trip. So small mixed use buildings are more effective than big box stores when it comes to value and how they use that space but I just kind of want to like set that stage of measuring by value per acre. I'm going to talk about housing most because we have housing crisis and every time I come to any sort of meeting this is this is happening or being talked about whether it be the SEDC or you guys are the Chamber of Commerce everybody's talking about the fact that we need to build more housing so I'm going to compare different types of housing on a per acre basis as well. Single family versus mixed residential so what that means is just single family homes versus a mix of single family homes and a couple duplexes maybe a small apartment building. We'll look at two different spots a newer SEDC division and an older one they're about the same size in terms of the area that I'm looking at here 5.15 and 4.92 acres. The newer one obviously more expensive the older one less expensive buildings become cheaper over time for the most part but even though this one is more expensive because it's not making as effective use of the land it's creating less value per acre 50% less value than these traditional homes so they're you know sitting on the same amount of infrastructure the same amount of cost but there's more value created in this sort of mixed use traditional development and it also can become more affordable over time as these have the one on the left won't be able to become as affordable because you can't walk to get places it's not as easy to get on the bus and use that it's unlikely that you would live here without at least a car if not two or three and you can see that they're built with two or three car garages kind of having that meeting that need in mind so if you live here you will always have to own a car so it will never become quite as affordable as these other places so we still build mixed residential developments though so you can see an example here of once again the traditional one and then a newer one that has a couple of condos a side by side duplex or two and some single family homes kind of all mixed together but this one not quite as walkable doesn't have a sidewalk and then also not quite at that same value per acre and it's still not that close either it's about a 50% difference that's a lot that's also a pun because lot size is a big part of that you know the traditional neighborhoods have a lot size of around 0.15 acres so if you were to do some sort of development with a lot size from a traditional neighborhood and you sprinkle in two different flexible housing options I have some examples I'll share with you and then add some mixed use like what we just saw before you can have like a shop or you know a nail salon whatever within a walkable distance it can add some one value per acre and also make a place more walkable so here's an example I'll show you a few from this study out of Chattanooga this is a traditional size lot and they took two little cottages and put them on there so instead of being a duplex that's connected side by side it's just two kind of single family units so when I think about this when I think about where I live which is on the northeast side sort of near where the or our hospital is where that will be redeveloped something like this would be great in that neighborhood a lot of my neighbors have lived there longer than I've been alive like 30 40 50 years and their homes aren't built to be lived in when you're getting into your 80s they have second floor bedrooms they have cast iron tubs they don't have like a walk-in shower or something like that but if you want to downsize or get to a place that fits your needs better you're probably going to have to move out of that neighborhood you're going to uproot from the place where you built your life so this is an opportunity to build these kinds of places it's just a small one-story cottage you can see that back one has a long walkway to it you can make an ADA accessible ramp pretty easily to get to those and it still has that kind of single family feel you have the privacy you have your own walls but you can fit two of these on one spot you help decrease the cost because you're putting two of these on one lot and for each of these I'll just show you a quick picture of what that could look like a small cottage another one would be something like this you could put it on a corner if you wanted to mixed use we have corner stores in my neighborhood as well right now there's one that's a hairdresser that's been there for a long time so it's like a single family home in the front a little backyard cottage type thing in the back and then attached to its little live workspace that could be your work from home office that could be your you know a small grocery store whatever you want to be you could look something like this you do a cottage court if you put two of these lots together do something like that or if you really wanted to have more housing and really focus on that without getting something out of scale with a neighborhood you could do something like this where you have a few duplexes near each other and make a little kind of cottage court but two stories tall these are all cool examples that I wanted to share with you but every single one is part of this 80 page guide in missing middle housing that the city of Chattanooga Tennessee pulled together and it came with complete estimated cost of construction for the different plans different codes that they go with residential building international building code pro forma's for how to get financing for these none of these would be legal to build under our current zone codes in the city so whether it be the the setback requirements or the parking requirements or the maximum density or dwelling units per acre none of these meet those requirements so a little collage of other places some taller some smaller that also would not be able to be built legally in the city today without variances and we have places like this existing I went on a little walk through my neighborhood here's two cottages on one lot and a duplex in a residential neighborhood and a little cottage that's only accessed by the alley here's on the duplex in a residential neighborhood and then this little corner store that's a apartment up top and the hair salon on the first floor even my block which is just single-family homes it's it's zoned sr5 suburban residential five five standing for five dwelling units per acre my block is just under an acre about 0.92 and there are 12 single-family homes on it so that's 13 dwelling units per acre that's two and a half times what the limit is for that zone and that actually exceeds the limit on even our most lenient code was a urban residential 12 you are 12 12 dwelling units per acre so this is considered too high of a density to legally allow anywhere city today without variances and this is what my neighborhood looks like there's only one lot on this block that meets the minimum lot size requirement today 6,000 square feet the rest are 5,000 or less there's also a really productive neighborhood on a value per acre basis it's 1.5 million dollars per acre but there's 12 homes so it's 130 thousand dollars per lot which is how we were able to afford a house there but if i were buying today i could not afford to buy the home that i live in now not even close it was a stretch to begin with this is a desirable type of housing there's a shortage of it and part of what contributes to that is that it's been illegal to construct neighborhoods like this for decades there aren't tons of issues not a big crime issue here's the crime map from the past two years i pulled off the city website that's my block that block that i showed you with a couple duplexes on it is right here so it's not like being close together is causing a swell of crime and other there's some concerns when you have that kind of density but i don't think it's necessarily that the type of housing or how close we are together that contributes to that we can kind of look out for each other as well if someone walks past getting my neighbor's backyard they're walking past my window and i know that Jim and Kathy aren't going to their backyard at two in the morning so there's some some eyes on the street some natural surveillance that comes along with that so i love where i live i think it's a great place i don't think making more places like this should be you know outside of what's legal in our zoning codes but for decades it has been so what we've been able to do is build what's legal where you buy the land on the edge and kind of spread out where you can have the right lot sizes and the right setbacks the right dwellings per acre and the right parking minimums but the trade offs of lower value per acre and small infrastructure and service liabilities as you kind of spread out higher carbon emissions because you have to drive everywhere and then more improve services as you pave more parking lots and streets and then you kind of stack the deck in favor of these big boxes that aren't as productive as our local small businesses and i'll show you an example that here's a stonebrook subdivision eventually there will probably be a bus line out there but right now there's not you still it won't be as easy to take a bus as it is to drive at any point there so you'll likely drive if you wanted to get downtown put me public library in the map it's 13 minute drive kind of the middle of downtown it's much easier for you to shop at deer trace mall in kohler or to go downtown sheboygan falls that would only take you 11 minutes compared to 13 for our downtown or you go to usper in 10 minutes so by stacking it out there on the edge it makes it easier for them to go and shop anywhere but our downtown so the problem is that we've been building these kind of financially unproductive housing types these lower values per acre in locations that don't encourage patronizing your most valuable places where you need a car to survive and that have these proportionately higher infrastructure and service costs and we've been doing this for a generation and that has some negative effects so here's a map of sheboygan 1960 here's this is you can see the voting words on there so you can see let's change it's kind of neat here's the map today you can see what's been added out on the edges it's a lot of those kind of larger subdivisions kind of the swirly curvy lots and then also all these big box stores like tailor drive and self-business drive and the strip malls and things like that that are lower value per acre so here's what it was here's where we are to understand that again you know this kind of sprawl that we've done in 1960 our population was about 46 000 people we had 108 miles of roadway to maintain and then all the pipes and fire protection and water and all things that go along with that now our population is about 49 9 so about a 10 increase but we've nearly doubled the miles of roadway so we've built out all of this infrastructure and we haven't built the wealth needed to sustain it so when you see the backlog of work that needs to be done and the roads that are in poor shape this is a huge contributing factor the fact that we've added all this without adding what we need to sustain it but it's not all bad news right we've done some pretty incredible infill lately utilizing spaces that previously were underutilized or used a different way so taking advantage of the existing roads and infrastructure that we already have there making upgrades as they're needed like south pier so I don't have a living memory of south pier ever being a coal dock but that just blows my mind when I see that kind of side by side here's this spot is now high point high points the single highest value per acre property in the entire city seven pen is up there as well so we've been knocking out these huge projects and it's kind of go through our different affordable housing studies and things like that there's always this mention of how easy it is for us to work with developers and that kind of reputation that we have of working well with them so we're knocking out things like high point and seven pen and the oscar and all these different huge projects but you can't just have this giant hammer in your toolbox you could have some other tools because a small project these these little things aren't worth the time of a large developer but a small would-be developer or a landlord or someone like that doesn't have the know-how or the time or the ability to take on the risk to go through all those processes to get variances and things like that so it's about adding these smaller fine grain tools to kind of fill in the gaps and we have a lot of gaps that'd be like city-owned underutilized lots like this one on south 12th I grabbed a bunch of empty parking lots here that are just underutilized where there's empty buildings and things like that or just empty lots in general where the spots they'd be filled in if it was rezoned and the zoning laws were changed to make it possible to do that this is my personal favorite I like King Walk it's one of my favorite food trucks they used to have a restaurant in the strip mall this is such a desolate barren wasteland of a parking lot they no longer serve food out of there they parked their food truck out at the edge of the parking lot near Calumet Avenue so to kind of address this need to prioritize that missing middle development so that stuff that I showed you that's kind of in between a single family home in a big tall apartment building all those little things like affordable condos starter homes senior housing mixed-use buildings focus that on infill and areas that already have some amenities and you look at publicly owned property first because you can directly impact that and then reform the zoning codes to legalize that kind of affordable productive development so allowing multifamily by right adjusting known setbacks and parking requirements and maximum dwellings per acre I'm reading through this really fast because these aren't my ideas these are all from our website or pull us off of our own affordable housing market study the types of units that are needed and the location being infill and the types of zoning reforms that are needed and that kind of mapped out spots over these could go look at our sustainability plan it's kind of the same thing where it talks about compact neighborhoods with mixed uses and mixed housing types affordable housing with multi-unit and single-family homes again that mix having multiple uses in an area to make it more walkable or desirable place to live and work and then focusing first on redeveloping underutilized buildings and strip centers and parking lots so I didn't really do any of this myself value per acre analysis is done all over the country so I kind of knew what I was looking for when I did that just pulled into excel off our city website it's super easy so ever set that up to make it easy to pull off thank you for that and then I just kind of took the time to go through these reports but like if you guys spent enough time to read every single report that you're handed nothing would get done and I don't just mean the council like this is a lean organization so it's difficult to to pull all that together this took me a long time slowly over time just piecing this piece by piece but part of what motivated me to do this was seeing that this there's this property being purchased on the south side of the city which like you know how I feel about sprawl already so it's probably the time when I should tell you this is a bad idea but I don't think it was I think this is a really incredible opportunity because the city is going to have control this land it can decide how you're going to use it so you can make the kind of changes that you need to these young laws or to the setup of this decide to focus on infill and then spread out over here as you need space etc maybe you need space right now when you kind of figure that out all that but you have the opportunity to control that it's not you know at the whim of a developer but it'd be really easy to get this wrong you can look at the place just to the left of it we have those kind of subdivisions with cul-de-sacs I pulled the diaper acre of that subdivision it's four hundred thirty five thousand dollars which is half of that traditional neighborhood I showed you those kind of mixed and it's a third of my neighborhood which was you know much smaller lots than even the traditional one I showed you before anyone can can do this all the towns and villages around here can can do this better than us they have more space they can spread out in more directions and they also haven't had the decades of development compounding in terms of the infrastructure costs that we now have to face as we deal with replacing pipes and roads and things like that and also they don't have those unproductive big box doors to the same extent that we do they can drive in and shop at Meyer on the edge or festival or Walmart which we pay for the infrastructure of to maintain but then the sales tax and that goes out to the county and gets redistributed so we're stacking the deck against ourselves if we build something like this this is really a great place to build for someone and like the township wagon they can build this it'll be new they'll have lower taxes now if we build the state it'll be desirable because it's new but it will never be anything other than what it is and it will never become as affordable as something that's more walkable it kind of talked about so a blank slide here just so I can kind of talk for a second in case I haven't talked enough this is the hard part because this is where the work needs to get done first there's there's not many places that have kind of done the research that the city has already pulled together so aren't a ton of places that I have I can point to is like success stories yet we're all kind of hitting this at the same time those who have figured this out often struggle to make changes specifically in these more suburban areas that feel this pain earlier they don't have that same inherited kind of wealth that we have they don't have the productive downtown they don't have these traditional neighborhoods that already have these different types of housing baked into it so just like us they need all these different types of housing they need the tall apartments they also need the single family homes and they need these kind of in between things but where are you going to put a six-story apartment if all you have is sprawling suburbs we have spots where you can put those we miss spots where you can put duplexes where we already have them in these different neighborhoods so we kind of have the deck stacked in our favor a little bit there and then the final thing here is I think there's probably even fewer places where a conversation like this could happen do you know who I am the answer is largely no because I'm not anybody I don't have many connections anybody who knows who I am knows me because I've emailed you in like the past couple of weeks or months it's like Todd and Brian and Chad and Roberta thank you for responding to my emails and setting it up so I could have this kind of conversation and have the chance to share this with you so I appreciate your time and the chance to talk about this and share what I was able to pull together thanks thanks Brayden any questions from elders Roberta I see you reaching for it all I said was wow I appreciate it I recognized all of the homes in my district so thank you for that um as you were going through I was thinking who else should we put this man in front of and the the nearest in my mind is the six plus acres that Memorial Hospital will be vacating so and and that is the neighborhood so um we'll get you an appointment with Memorial Hospital I love that that can work that can work perfect thank you holder sales are I'm also going to echo the wow so thank you for sort of I guess bringing us to our attention I guess I'll be honest with you as an elder we have a lot sort of flying at us sorry Angela and so I appreciate you sort of doing the work that we've already implemented or that we've put out there as the city and it's great to sort of see have somebody with fresh eyes sort of bring that back to us um and sort of kind of spotlight some some of the things that we have already said as a as a unit and really sort of refresh our mind of how to think differently about sort of some of our spaces I think for a while there we've kind of just been scratching our heads and leaning at the team members that we have here but I appreciate you sort of bringing back the conversation to the table um and I hope that my fellow elders here also appreciate that and that we can sort of talk about this um and really sort of dig into it and see what we can do and make some changes because housing is an issue on many fronts so thank you thanks older sales are other elders older apprela yes so I want to echo that I mostly I really appreciate that you took the time for doing this and to to be so thorough about it and do the work for us as well so I really thank you for that Brandon thanks for those comments alder decker yes I guess I would like to echo those those comments also and I'd like thank you just for giving us the opportunity to look outside the box um and that's something that we're going to have to do in the future with some of these things I think that we're you know we we can't keep doing things exactly the same way so thank you thank you alder decker alder sales are follow-up sorry I'm gonna come back to it um so quickly uh off the top of your head like I guess some of the things that you were highlighting are there sort of if you could just like reiterate maybe like the next three steps or things that you think we could implement that could easily impact some of this change yeah so I think the the best thing is just look at these historic neighborhoods these places where you have that kind of incongruence between what exists there today and what the current zoning law says there is so for example where I live you know the minimum lot size does not reflect the reality of the neighborhood the the maximum dwellings per acre does not reflect the um neighborhood and then maybe you look at the the allowance of duplexes by right because there are duplexes scattered throughout so be just those kind of changes like look at what exists today and just allow that to continue to be built you don't need to like change the way a neighborhood looks or acts or works I don't think many people would want their neighborhoods to change they oftentimes bought them because of the way that they are just make it legal to continue to build places like that and currently sorry I'm gonna follow currently we're saying that is illegal right is that what you're saying so there are a number of things on my block that that made it illegal so it's a bill without variances yeah so that's still current now yeah yes okay thank you holder Feldy great and that was an excellent presentation you did um I even asked for all the person flicky paninsky um who you were um I'm sorry um but but I'm impressed and um um for all the years that I've been on this council I have talked about affordable um everybody's definition of affordable housing seems to be different so um keep with it and keep pushing for the affordable and I I will be there with you thank you thank you holder Feldy additional comments from elders I'll allow this exception older sales sorry I know I only get to can you share your presentation with a yeah absolutely thank you I'll have to compress it because I've tried to send it today and it was too big to share so I'll create an abbreviation too many animations yeah too many the dramatic animations yes I appreciate that thank you I'm done sorry additional uh comments from elders seeing that no one else is buzzed in thank you Brayden appreciate it and also thank you to whoever actually did all the work that pulled those plans together because it's incredible work it's like I'd read reports for living and that's good stuff all right we'll take a quick intermission I'm kidding now next administrator will well introduce uh for our next presentation from our friends at Ehlers come on up gentlemen but you can use that one you guys pointed to each other I thought yeah I don't care all right so I would like to introduce Ehlers um we're going to have David Ferris who's basically the backbone of the of the data and information and his uh cohort Phil Coulson Coulson Coulson from the south side of Sheboygan originally but we won't talk about that what I did want to point out is back in 2021 we talked about the and actually having the city do a strategic financial uh plan so that when we look at our borrowing year over year we would have an actual five-year strategic plan the city of Sheboygan has never done that I called in audible and really made David happy and we changed it from a five-year to a 10-year so one of the things that many of the elders may recall is the fact that we do our our five-year capital improvements program so for five years we basically look at our first year that we're going to be borrowing next meaning next year and then the four consecutive years after so we have kind of an understanding of what our debt or projects are for up to five years we're going to be looking at 10 years in the future because we are a city of the age that we are we have so many projects that have not been brought forward so in today's presentation we're going to talk about quite a few projects this is borrowing only and it's just kind of a starting point it's the foundation of where do we need to look and what do we need to look at we've been very conservative in our borrowing we've been really balancing our balance sheet no pun intended and we've been really working hard in having more of a strategic plan and where are we going and what do we need to fix and what are the priorities so part of that goal is going to be having these gentlemen explain this program it's a it's just the very first round and then we can pretty much adjust it year over year moving forward so i'll pass the pass the baton all right thank you mayor council members good evening phil costum with ellers nice to be with you again we had the i think we had the presentation up as well and you have a hard copy as well i believe as minister wolf indicated this is not the final product first of all i want to really start by saying we hope this is a document they read as well okay not all plans get shelved but this is not the final document this is really step one in the capital look so we're we were contracted to do a kind of long-range planning for the city we're not just looking at your capital we're also going to be coming back and talking about your operating needs as well long term not 10 years but five years in that case this is our first attempt at at really putting together a capital plan over a 10-year period that one meets the needs of the city and brings forth not just your ongoing capital like streets and equipment but some of those legacy projects that are kind of on the horizon that we want to make sure are incorporated into the plan so we spent quite a bit of time talking with city staff to make sure that those legacy projects were put in place in this plan and day later on day will go through some of those items some of those legacy projects you'll hear about are the DPW building harbor improvements fire station remodel are some of the projects that you'll see that are listed here this is not the wish list we'll start by saying sometimes we come forward with a what it's called the wish list everybody puts everything they want to be done all the department has this is really more of a structure of what we think you've done up to this point and then build off of that what we are the items that we need know that we no need to get done so we don't have an escalator for like road projects and things like that so there may be coming forward a wish list and then we can show you the differences between those so on this first what we hope to accomplish when we go through this is one establish where you are today that's kind of what we call the base case so before you take on any new capital borrowing where are you today we'll talk about that in a little bit day we'll talk a little bit about the actual 10 year capital project list which again include all those equipment and three projects you do annually and those little more reach projects that those legacy projects that are on on the horizon now we're going to talk a little bit about structure of debt the city's been very conservative over the last couple of decades and how you structured that you've done 10 year notes which is great it's a quick payback you pay back less interest you have flexibility but in some cases where you have an asset that is going to last a long time we will look at structuring that debt out over a longer period if you're doing a major remodel of a fire station or remodel the DPW building we're going to want to just stretch it out over a little longer time period to match the asset life we're also going to talk a little bit about tax levy and tax rates ultimately it's great to put together a plan but you need to know the impact of those plans financially to the city and we do do boil it down to both levy and tax rate and then the city does have a cap that's in place right now on their on the use of debt limit for borrowing debt limit as 60% will show you where you are today on that debt limit and kind of where this 10 year plan takes you on that debt limit as well so as well so with that on to the next page I've touched on a few of these already but again what we do know for sure is that these projects will move around we want a flexible plan that enables enables you to move projects year in and year out things will will be on the list I could have to get moved up for various reasons one reason can certainly be water major water main break or something and then that prompts possibly moving a project up on the list so we want flexibility again we want the flexibility to take on these legacy projects that I just mentioned and we'll talk about in more detail we want to make sure that we have a plan that allows us the flexibility to bring in other funding when available things like grants different fees use of tax increment financing potentially to fund some projects as well and then ultimately what we hope comes out of this is that the knowledge and that we can then re establish if need be some of those policies and goals working collectively with you one thing we want to put on the table because we heard about it meeting with staff earlier the department heads is that like it or not debt is kind of part of the game it's under levy limits there are significant restrictions on how you can raise capital and when you have large capital items debt is part of the game that you're going to be focused on so we are going to be focused on that element of it today so the base case I'll just touch on real quick and that's the next slide that we had in the packet the base case all the numbers are on the first page and then the second page is the some of the information regarding the base case and I'm just going to take you left or right through this very quickly and then we'll build off of this in the first column that's your existing debt your general obligation debt so not debt related to the water and sewer utility but rather general obligation debt you have your total obligations identified in the yellow column after that we have a number of columns of abated sources that come from the word some other source of funds are paying for some of the debt in your case the primary sources tax increment financing where you've gone out and borrowed for tax increment finance projects there's increment that's coming back to pay the debt service on those projects now so we ultimately get to the total abated sources amount the net debt service levy is where you end up levying against all the different property tax pairs of the city so you take that net debt uh debt service levy divided by the total value of the community and you get to the second column from the right which is the debt service tax rate so that tax rate is where you are today dollar 22 per thousand for 2022 and you can see over the next couple of years even without taking on any new capital uh you're going to see an increase to a dollar 36 and then start dropping off after that so that's kind of a a little bit of a hill we got to overcome with this long-range capital plan because our goal through this process is to work with you putting together a debt levy number that you can live with so we don't have kind of this roller coaster effect one year it's up the next year it's down next year it's up but rather stable over time and we can build out the model to show you that which we'll do in a little bit so that's kind of setting the stage where you are today again we've taken the information provided by staff up to this point to start to build out that 10-year capital list against not a reach list it's what you need to get done at this point and then um I'll let Dave take you from there I noticed on the prompt uh that it said that Phil was Dave and and I think he'd probably be complimented for that right yeah so uh just just to kind of walk you through where we've been I mean Phil kind of set the table a little bit but I'm sitting here with a really tiny tiny print list of all the projects that the staff provided to us I believe it's being considered at a meeting either today or in the future but this list has basically all your projects for the next 10 years uh broken up by department broken up by how we're going to fund it um and really just an amount in some cases just a place holding for the future but we really have in this one it's so detailed that you get down to you know where you know what like Phil was talking about where there's other funding whether it's your america rescue funding or your or your impact fees or things like that those are all listed in here you've got a couple different sources that pay for it so really at the point that we receive this from the the city um like like Phil said we started with five years uh staff decided that it might be a better presentation to bring on the next five years at least because there's some projects out there that have never been presented to the city council before and it was something that was important to have it at least in front of you so that you're considering what might be down the road that might impact you so we've we got the best estimates of what those numbers would be summarized it by department and and like Phil said we've always used general obligation that for uh notes that is and and really like I told staff earlier notes pay back faster it's something that the rating agencies like to do but in some cases we're using 10-year notes that maybe have a uh asset with a useful life of maybe 20 years or so and we aren't not we aren't naturally matching that that useful life uh with those repayments and and I think generational uh generational what was the second word intergenerational equity yes uh was brought up and and really the the thrust behind that is is that whoever's using the asset is the one that's paying for it uh we uh we understood in the past there was a lot of funding with cash and really what that ends up doing is the person that lives here today paid for all of that asset and the person in the future doesn't get that benefit and if you look at a different way it could be that person that paid for it all moved away and doesn't get that benefit so it's kind of something where you can use that debt as a way to have the actual user you that's using the asset pay for it as well uh the capitalist has uh some one-time items as was talked about before a remodel of a fire station a dpw addition a transit building addition harbor projects some of the things that were added after we got through with the first five years going on to the next slide I'm not going to go through every number don't worry uh basically what this did is it summarized all of the borrowing items that was in that big list that I talked about into these certain items that were in the plan so we summarized it by basically the department some of them are are are in in here in order of like the bond uh statutory purpose but we tried to summarize it down so this document it's two pages long with all this kind of shows you exactly all the things that are in here you take those project costs per year there's some issuance costs and basically that golden box down on the bottom is where we get to the size per issue that we tried to take that and then structure it in such a way that we could come up with a flexible plan for you and we'll show you that in a couple slides and as I think Phil talked about earlier this this project list that we have is not your wish list so some of the things that are in here are your typical cip with those with those legacy projects on top and there are some issues you know with you know are we keeping up with the items that you know are in your standard cip are we keeping up with all the things that need to be reconstructed are we falling behind that's some of the things that I think maybe you know some staff information will tell you whether you're keeping up on your maintenance of some of your infrastructure but at this point this this really says we're just going to keep doing it the same we are for the cip whether that's right or not I think that's something to determine and then we added on those legacy projects so I won't go into too much detail on these two these two pages with the sizing of the issues I'll go on to page nine yes okay so what we want to do is kind of show you what the current list of the staff has provided us how can we fit that within a certain structure and have a stable tax rate so we took your list and and knowing that we were at a 2023 tax rate which using an estimated value for 1 1 of 22 it really gives you a debt service tax rate for next year of $1.36 per thousand of equalized value and that's the number you know it's based on how we we did the issue for you a couple week or about a month or so ago and and really when we got up to a dollar 36 we were starting to implement that five-year plan as far as building up to an amount that would be a sustainable flexible number so there was already a start to getting you to a point where you're you have a tax rate that's starting to be a little bit more flexible you know when you look at the plan the the existing debt really shows that you have 10-year debt it falls off really fast some of the some of the things that are in here that are kind of our assumptions is you know there's some tid closures that you approved recently you'll see that in the value column that we have some decent growth because of those closures otherwise we have a 2% annual growth going forward and without any tid closures for 2022's tax levy that 2% growth it was about right on target you had about 2.5% increase one thing that we also considered in here is that interest rates have been climbing I think when I stood here for the the borrowing issue we were talking about the rates going up really interest rates have gone up about 10 basis points which is 0.10% basically each week for the entire year so right now if you looked at what the rates were like back in January we're about at 1.60% higher than we were at the beginning of the year basically all along the maturity line so it's you know and it hasn't slowed so what we'll we'll show you on the next page is we set up a structure to stabilize the taxes and I think that's best shown by moving there because they're ahead of me on this one so moving across this sort of like Phil did with the base plan that first box on the left is really what he showed you it's a summarized version of the base plan it shows you where you're where you are today shows you that dollar 36 I just talked about which was the product of after the 22 borrowing then we took the 20 the 10 years of issues and this is the pink column is really the summary of all the structuring we did of the of the principle for that 10 years of projects and then the next columns are what is paid by other funding sources so in this case it was the TIF districts have a few projects that are within your capital list taking that away from the amount that the existing debt plus the new debt had you get your net debt service rate levy which is about five or six in from there so where we're at 4.4 million after the 22 borrowing would we'd be potentially up around 5.3 million but what I really want to have your attention go to is that green box I think it's green it's like green up there it's a little darker on the paper but what we did is we said okay if we take your 10 years of projects can we what kind of a rate can we have and what's the lowest tax rate we can have and have it be stable and be able to fit that 10 years of projects in and so a dollar 52 is where we're holding and so since we only had 10 years of projects we're holding that dollar 52 per thousand of equalized value and we're doing that through 2033 then we don't have any projects in our list so if we had an 11th year we would be structuring the debt payments to be at a dollar 52 that year but what you can see is how fast that drops off you really have a lot of flexibility to add those projects when we get to your 11th so that's why you see that tax levy dropping down what we've also shown you is is really the impact on that taxpayer once we hit that level that we feel it stabilizes what it takes to to do your projects you'll see that the taxpayer doesn't really have an impact from year to year with this type of a structuring so you know we go up to about 16 dollars per hundred thousand value property in 2024 and then we basically hold steady for that year and we would try to do that same thing even after the 10 year when we have the newer projects come on you know would that tax rate go up there are things that would make that happen if rates keep going up the way they are we might have to adjust that if you have another legacy project that we don't have in there that would make that happen if there's infrastructure projects that have been put off where we're trying to catch up to you know whether we do enough streets each year or something like that it could be that that's not the lowest number right now but it's something that you know we can come back with that if you have you know if you instruct staff to kind of come up with you know maybe not a wish list but maybe something that keeps you in line with what you need to do for maintenance purposes so I think you know that the biggest takeaway here is how do we stabilize that tax rate and as you know with levy limits the operating is already pretty much held flat if we can also flatten out the debt tax rate we can we can have basically do our projects have a stable tax bill for each each taxpayer and get the projects that you want done so that's really the thrust behind this plan and then the next page page 11 is just how that plan that you have right now affects your debt policy so the city has an internal debt policy that you won't go above 60 percent of what's the overall debt limit set by the state which is five percent of your equalized value that's how much you could borrow totally when we talk to our clients and and they're all different sizes you know we tell them not to go about 75 percent you have more value here you're able to take on your projects and keep that number down your policy that was established I think quite a while ago is at 60 percent you'll see that the plan gets up to about 35 percent in 2026 but that like I said like we talked about this is this is the status quo cip it could be that you know if we were to plug in a few a few more million for streets or whatever that number is or other projects that may not be included you know we might be closer to that line so it's something that at least you know you have capacity if there's other projects that aren't accounted for I think I've basically talked about the page 11 or page 12 you know your policy is 60 percent with the projects that are included what the staff gave us it's at about 36 percent you know you could consider adjusting that policy or have us come back with another plan with some numbers that maybe are taken to account some of the things that the departments might be able to share with you the other thing would be is you know this also assumes that the financing of the utility debt is done through revenue debt and that we're not including their stuff so that's just a kind of an add on just to know let you know that this does not include any utility projects so I've said quite a bit and Phil addressed the table pretty good to get me started into the details but I'm we're happy to answer any questions questions from elders elder parola thank you so much for the presentation I just want to understand in a few words um so you took the cost some of the capital projects for the next 10 years first of all how did you do that um I mean we we we have a cip for five years right so how did you scale it up to 10 years so the city provided us with the five-year plan to begin with and we actually had that ready to go to come see you but there was a bunch of projects that that were brought to our attention another list was provided by staff and that's where the additional five years which would be harbour projects transit building remodeled fire station those other items so yeah the stuff provided okay so then um do you have a projection so we have a projection of the capital needed and you made a projection of the the debt needed I mean the the borrowing needed and the impact on the taxi the tax levy on thousand per thousand correct yeah it's it's the tax levy rate that we have in here is per thousand of equalized value which would be like your market value of your home or property right so and that that in in this last page the debt service tax rate is in addition to what the current tax levy is no no so you're at you're going to be you're at $1.22 right now after the after the borrowing you did in 2022 you'll be closer to one one dollar and 36 cents so that's only uh like 12 cents more 14 cents more so really we're gonna go we're proposing that you go from $1.22 to $1.52 so 30 cents very good but the debt thank you for the clarification but then the debt itself um obviously is not going to be exhausted in 10 years right so you made the calculation so I'm just trying to understand why did you calculate it on 10 years no what we tried to do is stabilize the tax rate for all 10 years okay so really if if you'd given us a 25 year list we would have had $1.52 for each year if that's what if that's what it took to do that you know all the way down to 2056 on here so it's just that we only had 10 years of projects and so we're stabilizing the tax rate for the years we know if you'd given us 11 the 11th here we would have structured to $1.52 again and so really you're just holding steady the whole way down is what what the plan would be very good thank you so much other questions from alders alder fliki paneski thank you um i am looking at the debt limit chart sure and if i'm reading this correctly we are borrowing approximately half of the borrowing power we could do is that accurate at this time the total amount of outstanding general obligation that you have is at about half of that yes and you would hold at that level so you're pretty much holding at that level okay so when you start to calculate a dollar 52 of equalized value does that move the green part closer to the top of the red line i missed the first part of that if if you raise the debt limit to the levy limit to buck 52 instead of where it is now so per thousand we we factor in we factored in a two percent growth each year and that two percent growth so as you see the blue line growing that's the growth in the equalized value so your equalized value times five percent is your statutory number and so we have that top line growing by two percent each year which is representative of your past growth so the top line will move and the green line will stay stable i'm trying to get the relationship yeah so so let's say let's say that the top line continues to grow and you have the same amount of debt outstanding each you know at the end of each year your total amount of outstanding amount stays the same okay then the green line would be separating from the blue line the blue line would be pulling away from it okay thank you yep next we'll do mayor's announcements oh oh anyone for public forum no one this evening okay thank you now i'll do my presentation scott can you pull up my powerpoint i'm kidding that was a joke so right can i have for former alderman marcus avalia come on down um so as you all obviously know um former alderman marcus avalia has resigned from the council and him and i uh are trauma bonded if you will um in a sense that we were both elected to the common council um at the same time five years ago um obviously it's been good reasons why alder avalia has resigned um his family is growing he bought a new house uh in a new district his wife jillian is here they just had uh the uh a girl right yep so um a healthy family so so they're exciting their family is growing so as we always do with outgoing elders we wanted to present um older person marcus avalia with five years of dedicated service to the city shavuigan april 18th 20 2017 to may 4th 2022 so there you go any parting words that you'd like to say scott if you wouldn't mind pulling up my presentation i'd really appreciate that okay you can't use my jokes it was too good it was too good thank you mr mayor for acknowledging my service to the city of shavuigan i've been blessed that i get to raise my family here that i've been able to start a business here and that i've been able to call shavuigan home over the past five years i on the council i've watched our city focus on focus on what matters most roads housing good paying jobs and creating a vibrant community with many things to do i'm glad that i was able to lend my ideas and thoughts to help guide a talented group of city staff members behind me out there at public works everywhere i'm also thankful for all the hours i have spent learning from and growing with my fellow older persons with the city staff and with residents of our community in the pursuit of a better shavuigan for all of our residents now none of my service would have been possible without the support of my and sacrifices of my beautiful family especially my amazingly supportive wife jillian thank you for all you have done and for our kids and for me i look forward to serving this community in the future and i cannot wait to see what shavuigan does next on one final note chad over here has a wealth of information in his head i'm pretty sure he put together most of the two presentations that braden mentioned tonight chad i would love if you were to redo the the zoning code for us and just tell them what to do because they will listen to you thank you so much and have a great night everyone right well i'm sure marcus it will still be around in some capacity in the community so uh we'll we'll see him around we appreciate his dedication to this community as well all right next uh could i have uh police chief christa magowski come on down all right so we have a proclamation uh to to present today um whereas there are more than 800 000 law enforcement officers serving our community across the united states including the dedicated members of the shavuigan police department and whereas since the first recorded death in 1786 more than 23 000 law enforcement officers in the united states have made the ultimate sacrifice and have been killed in the line of duty including two members in the shavuigan police department whereas the names of these dedicated public service officials are engraved in the walls of the national law enforcement officers memorial in washington dc and whereas 619 new names of fallen heroes have been added to the national law enforcement officers memorial this spring including 472 officers killed in 2021 and 147 officers killed the previous year and whereas may 15th is designated as peace officer's memorial day in honor for all fallen officers and their families in the us flag will be flown at half staff and now i therefore ryan sorenson by by authority vested in me as mayor of shavuigan do hereby proclaim may 11th through the 17th 2022 is national police week and throughout the city shavuigan publicly salute the services of all our law enforcement officers in our communities and communities across the country so i'll present this to chris tamagowski any words or yeah i'd just like to say thank you to the mayor and all of you for your support and then as part of police week there's a county wide law enforcement memorial service on thursday in front of the courthouse at 11 a.m. everyone's invited thank you very much all right thanks chief all right well today is monday the 16th still and it is bike to bike and walk to work week this this week so in a in true fashion in a full suit and tie i rode my bike to city hall this morning so there's a lot of great programming that the shavuigan active transportation committee is doing throughout the community so follow them on different social media platforms as well if you bike or walk to work and on your way you want to stop at paradigm coffee house in the uptowns parking parklet anytime between six a.m. and ten a.m. they're handing out free coffee and treats as well too so i got my fix this morning on my way into work may 30th is memorial day so we'll pay tribute to those that have lost their lives in the line of duty protecting our freedom and democracy in this country so as usual the parade will be at 9 a.m. following the parade there'll be a program at fun park as well in may is young professionals month so check out the shavuigan county chamber of commerce their website they got a lot of different programming activities for young professionals and young professionals at heart so those are my announcements for this evening thanks everyone all right now we'll discuss the consent consent agenda items 11 through 2020 or 22 excuse me i'm gonna say 2022 is that we don't have that many items on the agenda alder feldi thank you i'll try to stay on track this time i move to receive and file all our o's receive all our c's and adopt all resolutions and ordinances second been a motion second any items for discussion on the consent agenda seeing none is a roll call vote please refer to your muni code we'll get you set up yeah can eyes all right consent agenda is approved next is report of officers items 23 through 28 will be referred to the respective committees next item 29 resolutions resolution number 17 22 23 by elder persons feldi and flaky paneski amending resolution number 73 21 22 adopted on october 8 2021 establishing the wards and boundaries for the city shabuigan alder feldi thank you mayor i asked to suspend the rules any objection to suspension seeing none please proceed i move to adopt the resolution second there's been a motion in second any discussion on this item alder pro why are we adopting it now the city clerk it was adopted in october however the state redrew the assembly line and when they did that it went through some of our wards so we had to create new wards it split ward number nine ten and seventeen so we had to add some new wards so this is an additional change to the one that already have been done that we are aware of right so we adopted the one in october right and then they changed the line for the assembly or they adopted a line for the assembly in that split award okay thank you you're welcome additional comments seeing none this is a roll call vote please refer to your muni code it's ten highs all right that item is approved items 30 through 35 will be referred to their respective committees next is report of committees rc number 1 22 23 by the finance and personnel committee to whom was referred resolution 2-22 23 by elder persons michel and flicky paneski authorizing a transfer and establishing an internship program within the mayor's office budget alder mitchell thank you mayor i move to receive the rc and adapt the resolution second there's been a motion second any alders wishing to speak seeing none this is a roll call vote please refer to your muni code ten highs all right that item is approved item 37 rc number 22 23 by the finance and personnel committee to whom was referred resolution number 7 22 23 by elder persons michel and flicky paneski authorizing the issuance in sale of up to 39 million 430 thousand and 18 dollars to the water utility revenue bonds series 2022 providing for other details and covenants with respective thereto elder mitchell well thank you mayor i move to receive the rc and adapt the resolution second there's been a motion in second any discussion on this item all right this is a roll call vote please refer to your muni code there you have it ten nice that item is approved item 38 will be referred to the licensing hearing in public safety committee we've exhausted the agenda holder feldy i move to adjourn second all those in favor of adjourning please state aye any opposition we are adjourned for those at home or adjourn in the council meeting but the next half of our programming will begin for committee the whole meeting so so we're adjourned for the council meeting we get a five minute reset