 All right, chair, you may begin. Thank you. Good evening, everyone. This meeting of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board will please come to order. Secretary, could you please take the role? Sue Allberg, Jeff Ellen Vogan, Manoj Gangua, Paige Lewis, Dan Olson, Robert Fudum, Katcha Stokely, and Council Liaison Aaron Rodriguez. Thank you. Thank you. This is a reminder to the public. Anyone wishing to speak during first call, public invited to be heard, which is item five on our agenda, or during final call, public invited to be heard, item eight, we'll need to watch the live stream of the meeting and watch for instructions on how to call in to provide comment at the appropriate times. Instructions are given during the meeting and displayed on the screen when it is time to call in to provide comments. The address will be limited to three minutes per person, and each speaker will be asked to state their name and address for the record prior to proceeding with their comments. Please remember to mute the live stream when you are called upon to speak. Thank you. For item number three, I just want to welcome Nikki Davidson, who is our secretary this evening she is a new administrator in the parks and rec in recreation and she'll be working with Veronica and Aurora and so welcome Nikki and thank you very much. Item number three approval of the agenda. Is there any discussion raise your hand if you have a discussion point seeing no discussion I'll ask for a vote all those in favor of approving the agenda please indicate by raising your hand and saying I I think the agenda is approved unanimously. Item number four approval of the previous month's minutes. I'll give you a couple of minutes to look over those minutes and indicate by raising your hand if you have any questions concerns or corrections. Okay if everybody is happy with the minutes. I know it was a long time ago. I wanted to ask you to vote to approve the minutes from March 9. If you approve please indicate by saying I and raising your hand. I wasn't there so I assume I shouldn't vote. Similarly Dan abstains. Okay secretary are you good with this vote. Yes. Thank you very, very good. So, the previous months minutes or the previous meetings minutes are approved with two abstentions due to absence. Item number five public invited to be heard. We will now take a four minute break to display the in the instructions and wait to see if any members of the public wish to join the meeting you're free to mute and turn off your cameras during this period. Secretary do we have any members of the public waiting to speak. Thank you for your time at this time. Thank you. A reminder that there will be a final call for public invited to be heard as agenda item number eight. We move on now to agenda item number six new business modification to the open space disposition ordinance Dan. Thank you. And I greatly appreciate this opportunity and bring you all together virtually. We'll be going to council at their study session on July 7 and in your packet you should have a draft council communication that we've prepared for that meeting, as well as the disposition of open space ordinance that was passed in 2011 as well as the modifications in your packet. Just a bit of brief history back in 2010 11. This board in particular with the assistance from our city attorneys spent numerous meetings discussing how and when we would dispose of open space for whatever purposes that would be there are quite a few with this board as well as city council to decipher and determine how and when we would dispose of open space for a variety of reasons. So as we were going through back in October, looking to sell the fee title of the double six ranch to the dochef dairy. We were intending to retain the conservation easement. Our city attorney's office, looking at this disposition indicated that there was no way that we could separate the fee and the conservation easement based on the existing ordinance, because I believe on your page. It looks like page 10 of 21. It indicates that in no event shall the sales price or the transfer costs be less than the original purchase price. That created a problem for us, especially when again there's elements associated with an open space property that we would like to dispose of. In the draft council communication I think there's a couple of examples, for instance, currently we own three water taps that are underutilized or actually, you're not being utilized at all on any of our properties. Those water taps value at $75,000 a piece. And because the way this ordinance currently is written, we couldn't dispose of those for anything less than the original purchase price. We're currently working on the new beat property, which has a total of four houses on it to those we would like to carve off. Sell those take those take those dollars and put those back into the open space program for future development or acquisitions, because of the way, according to the city attorney's because of the way the original ordinance was drafted. We couldn't separate those out. So, what we're doing it. And I tried to highlight the elements associated in the original ordinance. And then you'll see on the draft, where we made the modifications to include, let's say for instance the sale on page 12 of 21 to include the fair market value of the property's interest conveyed. And then additionally on page 13. The highlighted looks like line three, where two and three actually where we're going to promote the health and wellness, the safety and the general therefore, the residents of lawnmower and we result in that benefit. So ultimately what I would like from the board tonight is a recommendation that we can take counsel that you review this you understand what's going on, and what will actually happen by the modifications will allow us to pull out some of the rights as we acquired it. They are not beneficial to the open space program so that we could either sell those or transfer those, whatever is been deemed appropriate in order to do that. That's the only thing that we're changing in the ordinance. The disposition of open space. Both the city council city council decides whether it's appropriate or not at that point in time, refers it back to the parks and recreation advisory board for a public meeting that must take place within 90 days. After that recommendation we go back to city council for the formal action by ordinance that has to be by a majority vote of council to move forward with that disposition. So this recommendation and modification allows us to separate some of those property rights, whether it would be, you know, residential units, a water right, a mineral right. You know the transfer of fee while we're retaining some of this to break that apart without having to pay or receive payment for what you're reaching to pay for the entire property. So with that I'll certainly open it up to questions in an address. Anything that might come up. Recognize Dan Olson. Thanks Dan, I have a question in it in your later update so page 19 of 21 under open space, your update for the for this ties together so land acquisition. This is the 1234567 eighth line of page 19. It's open space has been completed we will look at selling the fee to the double six ranch. I don't understand your use of the word fee, a lot of the time, both in the ordinance and in this paragraph. How do you sell a fee. If somebody else is going to pay it for you I don't get that. A few a couple of times and page you may be able to help me on this too because I know that you understand someone. A fee is basically all of the development rights, all the rights that are associated with a particular property. That's the entire bundle of rights that are incorporated into that property is comes with a fee. So what it's got nothing to do with the way I use the word fee. You know, and it really does see your head. And it really doesn't, you know, when we think of a fee it's a price for, let's say a recreation class or something that right. It's the, it's the right, your, it's the property right for you to develop the modify to use that land for whatever purpose you'd like. So in, in this first in this particular situation, we will sell that fee to the dochef ranch for the double six ranch. What we will retain is the conservation easement, which basically purchases or acquires and maintains the development right so that the dochef dairy. The only thing they can do on that property is to is for purposes of agricultural production that are likely raise hay and graze cattle on it. But we have retained the right in the conservation easement for any of the development so so they cannot separate it subdivided build apartments do those kind of things. And the intention is for agricultural purposes. So that's a component of what the whole package is. If you look again I think it in on the on the backside of the of the draft communication on page six, it talks about these original acquisitions, we typically have a bundle of sticks, all of which have a purpose. Conservation easement is one of those mineral rights, maybe another stick, a water right is another stick. So what basically what we're doing here is, we are retaining the development rights and the water rights, and we're giving. Well, not giving the don't chef dairy is buying the agricultural purposes in the land and we're retaining the development rights. So therefore, the entire whole package. Now we're taking this stick out, which reduces that value. And this depends on indeed passing this new ordinance. Correct. Got it. So this is a concrete example of why we wanted, or why city council and we may like to do this then right. Absolutely. Okay, got it. Thank you. And then the other examples that I had were those three water taps that are not being utilized on any of these properties. We've got, I know, by working with the water district, they have buyers that want to would love to buy these $75,000 for water tap. So I had the ability by changing this ordinance. I could sell those generate the 250 $275,000. Roll that back into the open space fund and buy more land or further land development of our nature areas or open space properties. Rob, cut him wheat ridge. In which a developer wanted a park, a city park to put in the development, you know, some kind of commercial thing. Think in terms of Spangler or Lunar Park or something like that. They offered land outside the city worth far more than the park. So, you know, in some sense, it was a good deal. It was a bad deal because the people there lost the park and they got land somewhere else which is so far from where they were that essentially that park was gone. In general, I'm opposed to giving away or selling open space. They don't make any more. And I'm very reluctant to let it go. On the other hand, I think reading ordinance 2011 10. It seems that the council has control, ultimately, which is a good. It's not the, not the staff that has the control. It's ultimately the council. So in general, although theoretically opposed to giving away open space, I think this is it. It's a good alternative to giving the staff some leeway or some flexibility. That's all I have to say. Thank you, Rob. Any other questions. Hey, catch Steve Rand's water here. Rob, just to clarify. Parkland and open space have different. Okay, sorry. Have different criteria for a park land within the city to sell parkland has to go before a vote of the people vote of the Longmont community. So we can't just we can't sell land to a developer for park land to make it outside of the city without a vote of the entire population of the city of Longmont. The definition of open space is different than disposition of Parkland. So just to make sure you understood that. Thank you. Recognize Dan Wolfer. Sue, I'll get to you. And Robert, I want to just assure you that we are not giving this land away. As you look at the ordinance on pages seven and eight, it talks about the intent of the open space program. So if it's a net value of everything, we certainly would look at if, if a developer work were to give us and in exchange, we would exchange that at a rate that would be to what we would be giving them as open space or greater only. And then anything of that value would then be put back into the open space program. So the intent of the disposition of open space is not to ever have a net loss of open space. I want to thank Steve for clarifying the thing on the parks. I just used as an example of trade, you know, how, how things, something worth more good deal. That's all but I'm, I'm convinced it's a good idea that the ordinance is one that's needed. Thank you, Rob. Recognize Sue Albert. This has been well thought out, but my one concern is so you sell the rights to something to one person. What happens when they choose to sell it to another and another. Are there any kind of safeguards in there that the city still has some kind of ability to review or something. I'm just curious. Sue, typically a good example of this would be the conservation easement that we would keep as we would sell double six ramps to the goat chef dairy. That conservation easement is in perpetuity. So no matter who owns that we will retain the conservation values of that property. Certainly at any point in time in the conservation easements. There's a section about notifications so that we know as they might be selling that property to yet a third person that they are being notified we're being notified and we can reach out to that new buyer and assure them that we still have an interest in this land and which has maybe a priority over what potential right they were thinking they were acquiring so the conservation easement that we would be retaining there is in perpetuity. So if you sell off properties that you don't need. Is there also some kind of safeguards so that that can't be developed inappropriately or fracking or just I'm just trying to think of the future like years down the road deserve. In an example that we would do on the newbie property, we're looking to sell to the residential lots would sell those residential lots, we would assure that we would retain conservation easement on those lots, and limiting the size of those houses or development to either residential single residential use or an agricultural use, potentially limiting the size of that footprint and you know assurance that in that conservation that that lot, then again couldn't be subdivided and then redevelop some other way. So, again, we're looking at it from that perspective and trying to make certain that we have some level of control and understanding of how that's going to be developed. Many situations not develop. Recognize page Lewis. Go ahead page. Thanks. Thank you for the adjustment that you're making but in reviewing the original ordinance. I had a few questions and just saw a couple areas where it could potentially be strengthened and so I wondered in what context would we have an opportunity to potentially review that ordinance and make recommendations to strengthen it further. You see the draft of the ordinance here that will, we're intending to take to Council on the seventh if you have recommendations for I'm talking about the original one. Sorry, the 2011. Yeah, so we're, my suggestion might be if you have suggestions that would strengthen the original one. We're already making this modification that I would think that, you know, certainly the board could make further recommendations and then we could run those. If it passes the board, then we could make those recommendations to our city attorney and let them weigh in on whatever language. The board might agree on. But you're hoping to do this at an upcoming meeting right. I don't necessarily want to complicate your ability to get this passed. I guess for and from my perspective, we were modifying it once maybe down the road will make a second amendment or second modification. And then we could run the level of complexity of what your language change might include. So Paige, would you like that to be added as an agenda item in a future prep meeting. Yeah, that would be great. I don't know that it would be anything super complex, but I think it's worth revisiting just to make sure because it's pretty important that I really don't. I don't know that we have the time or if this is the best setting for us to talk about that. And I don't want to complicate what they're trying to do because I support that but I would be interested in discussing it at a future meeting. Okay, so Nikki, if you would please take a note to add that as an agenda item for a future meeting, possibly coordinating with Paige on the best time to do that the best month. We'll do. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions for Dan on on this. Dan, I just want to ask sort of the, the straw man question which is, what was the advantage of the original language and what would be the argument against making this change. I really believe that this was a difference in language between two separate attorneys back in 2010 and 11, and a review of the current city attorneys and the difference of interpretation. I think all along. Even when we acquired the double six ranch, it was included in the council's original communication that we had intended on retaining the conservation easement and selling the feed to the dope chef dairy. So I think it's a lot of this is just interpretation of how the ordinance was written. And with this modification with this current group of attorneys, it gives us the flexibility to dispose of elements of the open space program that are not being utilized or underutilized. Thank you Dan, any other questions from the board or comments from staff before I request a motion. Okay I'm prepared to entertain a motion at this time please raise your hand if you would like to make that motion. I know that we support the proposed amendment to the ordinance on disposal of open space. Do I hear a second. You can indicate by raising your hand thank you Sue Alberg has seconded. Okay, all those in favor of the motion. I'm sorry just a moment Nikki did you get the motion. I did yes. Thank you. All those in favor of the motion please indicate by raising your hand and saying aye. Aye. The motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you for your support. We now move on to agenda item seven, six, the second agenda item six items from staff. Let's start with Jeff. Oh, did we did we skip the ongoing tonight for the sake of time. Okay, thank you. In that case items from staff Jeff Friesner would you like to start. Sure. So, one of the things that I'm sure everybody is wondering about is when will we if ever start opening some of our facilities. So I wanted to do just a quick update on where we're at. I would just remind everybody that opening reopening our facilities and activities has been somewhat of a moving target. Changes continue to happen on a regular basis. And anything that I would say tonight is all in a proposal that is going to the Harold's leadership team tomorrow. And they could send us back to the drawing board or give us direction to move forward. One of the things that for sure won't happen is we will be canceling all special events through the end of July. Except the fireworks, the fireworks is done by a group other than the city of Longmont. And they are still very interested in doing that but rhythm on the river and the concert in Thompson Park will be canceled that that notice will go out to the public sometime this week. Athletic fields. We have been given direction that the fields can open both for practicing for games. Again, this is part of what the proposal that is going to the leadership team tomorrow. There are some requirements that each user group and I'm talking about baseball groups, softball groups, soccer basketball, any, any, anyone that uses city facilities to offer their programs including those programs done by recreation. You'll have to follow guidelines that require only 25 players on the field at any one time. That number does not include the umpires or any coaches with the youth sports programs. It has to take into account social distancing, the ability to be able to disinfect equipment that may be shared dugouts. That sort of thing with adult sports, the recommendation in the guidelines is that there are no spectators that only the players would be at the complexes. And with youth sports only fit direct household people living in this house same household can sit next to each other, but everybody else needs to be able to do the six foot social distancing. And, and in that in those cases and with spectators they would need to also wear masks. The order was changed originally we we thought that masks were going to be required at all times, and generally with us, the, the order that came out late on Thursday, that had an update that masks are required or should be worn where feasible. We are starting to, we have proposed that the recreation center would open up. We're proposing next Monday the 15th. With that opening, we would require everyone to do a pre reservation for their spot to come into the facility. And they would have a time limit that they could be in there. We'd have exits mark marked out where people can go in the front door, everybody will be guided out in other doors to try to limit the number of folks that are in in the libraries, specifically. Mask would be required coming into the building, waiting at the front counter, people would be able to go in, work out without their mask and then as they're leaving. They would have to put the mask back on social distance markers will be put on the floor. We'll have staff roving the building to help monitor the social distancing. And what we would do is, we would have the gym track and weight room would all be outlined as one room up, you can have up to 50 people in that room at a time. We would have fitness classes in the studio or the fitness room. That number in there will probably be somewhere between 15 and 20, because of the size of the room. The pool will start doing reservations for lap swimming. People will have one lap to themselves again with a time amount of time that they could be there. After that time they would have to leave. We would not open the climbing wall baby setting the hot tub steam room or sauna at during this first phase of of opening Centennial pool or let me back up locker rooms. And when I say locker rooms I say that because it's all in the same room lockers cannot be used during with the current guidance. Only those that are using the swimming pool would be able to use the showers. Everyone else would be asked to come ready to work out and go home and and change as needed and and we don't think that's going to be a big issue because we believe the swimmers are often the bigger user of the locker rooms, except in those cases where people are coming to work out in the morning and going directly to work or working out at lunchtime and going back to work. Centennial pool would be opened for lap swimming only to start with. Once we had worked through the issues that that might bring again the locker rooms and changing areas would be available but we would lock off the lockers that they could not be used. Once we get past the initial, I'm going to say three or four days, depending on how things have gone, we would then start opening up additional things, such as open swims, some modified swim lesson programs, and, and then also we would certainly do fitness classes in the water. Then the next item would be that we would look at or we've proposed that sunset pool would open two weeks from today on June 22. We would open up with reservation time reserve times also one lap swimmer to a lane, but in that case we would start doing open swim right away, and, and we would do it with a modified number where again by the guidance we can have 50 people in the pool. We would do it with a modified number of maybe 20 to 30 to work out our guardians, what we need to learn to keep people six foot away from each other in the water. And, and so we believe that is doable but it's going to be a challenge because when you have young folks swimming they don't always remember that they need to stay away from each other. Everything has been open to childcare since late March we started off with childcare for city employees, children only on May 26 we we move to more of our summer day camp model. Of course that still is is modified format where we have four groups of 10 kids that are all in separate rooms. The requirement for our license is that those kids cannot commingle across rooms so that the 10 kids have to stay separate from the other 30 kids at all times. And of course there's modifications where it's not really a true day camp like we've done in the past because we really can't go on field trips we haven't been able to go swimming we probably won't allow this day camp to go swimming until our numbers can can go up to a larger number. So general programings will will start taking place as soon as our facilities are open. We can have nine people in a class at a time with an instructor. So, kind of a quick summary, anybody have any questions or comments. Please raise your hand, and I'll recognize you Sue Albert. Thank you for your question and I know it's been a stressful time in the for the city. But how will you, how will you, how will a reservation system work that will be fair to people. Because you'll have you'll have more people who want it, then you'll be able to, you know, provide, and how will it, you know, you kind of spread it out I guess is. But what people will do is go online to our rec track system. We are currently this week doing all the different reservation setup that we need to do. People will also be limited to only two times per week. So that somebody's not coming in, you know, five, seven times a week. We're trying to limit it just to two at a maximum so that it provides as much opportunity for everyone as possible. So what about families? I mean, like when they're coming to the pool this like to to in the family or how will you well families will be different right now when the rec center opens. It's only going to be for 16 and older based on the things that we can do sunset is going to be a different thing where where families will be able to register. So moms or dads could register for their two kids if they have them and and mom and they could take the place of four people. But again, they could only do that two times per week until our numbers get larger. And how far in advance will they get to register was like, you know, that's an excellent question we haven't, we didn't talk about that I would say it's probably going to be about two weeks. Okay, because otherwise someone like me I'd go in and pick all my dates right in a one time. So I'm just, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Jeff Ellen Bogan. Will there be a way for people to do this if they don't have computers. If they do not have computers they will be able to call into each one of the buildings and do the reservation over the phone. I have a question. Go ahead. The athletic program, which I am seeing being allowed as 10 to 25 people. How city was going to monitor it is this self self guidance or city is going to monitor it. The city is not going to monitor it unless we get complaints. Each group is going to be asked to provide guidelines to our staff that outline how you will monitor your program and follow the guidelines that have been outlined. If there becomes really repeated offenses of, of your group or some other group, then the city would consider removing your opportunity or their opportunity to use the fields. It's the only way we can truly monitor this because we just don't have the resources to have somebody at all the parks and all the different complexes. Makes sense. Thank you. Any other questions for Jeff. Dan Olson go ahead. Hi Jeff you know what I'm going to ask about and that would be master swimming in particular. Is that part of lap swimming or is that part of a recreational class. I believe it is a part of lap swimming and are working on a modification. That would allow up to three swimmers in the water at a time. That's going to be a challenge because not everybody can stop at the same end. So if you have three in each end, somebody's still swimming and if you need to rest people have to rest on the opposite ends. We are three per lane. Is that right? Three per lane. Yes. Okay. And we're working that with the, the different swim clubs also. So that means starting next week and you have to make a reservation, etc. Okay, yep. What about you folks sent out an email. Gosh, it's got to be three two months ago now about extending passes. Do you think the time starts counting again or do folks say when they want to, you know, start again or any thought about how you've done that yet. Yeah, that's probably going to be the biggest challenges of opening back up and trying to find a way to do it where it's fair. So our proposal would be that passes would not be used to start with as we get open back up. We'd ask people to pay the, the daily admission, we will continue to extend the passes, however many days, it would be until we can fully open the direct center. And the challenges is because you have limits, because not all of the direct center are going to be open. We're trying to find a way that's the fairest to everybody, because it with our system. So either all the passes are on, or all of them are stopped and I think this is going to be the biggest challenge that we have with with real starting to reopen is how we because some people, I get it we've been sitting on on their passes and they're money, and they're they're not want to get going to pay anything more. But if you look at the bigger picture, it really is the fairest to all pass holders. I agree that the 20 punch thing is like paying that I get it but if you have a quarterly or an annual pass, but you only get to use the facility once this week or twice that's not what you paid for right now you're right it's a can of worms. Yes, it is. Other questions for Jeff. One more. tennis leagues. You mentioned sports teams and competition and stuff. tennis is a special case because it's organized by either the US TA or the Colorado tennis association, and they do the scheduling and want to reserve court space and various places in town. So far, they're all sitting on their hands because all of jurisdictions have differing rules. Have you folks been approached yet, or is there any plan in the future you can share. So yes, we've been approached by everybody for multiple weeks with different questions all related to team sports. I believe that if we are given permission tomorrow to do the athletic fields like I described I think that will include tennis courts that you will be able to reserve them and do leagues. The guidance is very clear in that LTA in this this instance on my tennis association, they're going to have to come up with a way of how they're going to be doing disinfecting how they're going to monitor the social distancing and the last thing that we can have happen is a group of 15 people show up at the quail tennis courts, ready for their turn to play tennis. So, anything that LTA can do to stagger starts to help monitor those those things will will be good. There's no tournaments whatsoever the guidance is very clear that tournaments in any sense are not allowed at at this point time. So I think after tomorrow if we get guidance LTA or any tennis group will be able to start making plans for their leagues to start Sue Alberg. Just to clarify so everyone who makes a reservation is also going to be paying at the same time that's part of the reservation system. Yes. Yep, preferences that we limit the amount of time people have to stand in line. All they'll do is will have a roster, your schedule to come in at 10. Yep, so you're good to go. You will be your class will be in the studio or your, you're good to go into the swimming pool. Again, trying to not have a great deal of exchange of money or running cards, at least to start with. And like your silver sneakers clients. Everyone is in the same boat everyone pays. Correct. Silver sneakers is is a bit of a unique animal and we need to get guidance from the leadership team of how we're going to address programming for those that are 65 and older. The guidance that was given makes it very clear that it's recommended that those 65 and older don't participate. If I use the opening of the golf courses as an example of that 65 and older people are golfing and golfing on a regular basis on the golf courses. I don't see that there would be any way that staff or the city of Longmont could exclude somebody because of their age. I think we need to make sure we're doing a good job of education to let them know that we're disinfecting to the best best of our ability, but there's really no guarantees that, you know, it only takes one person that could be infected with the virus that could could spread it so people will be asked to sign waivers I believe that will also acknowledge that they understand the risk of going to a public facility in a time of COVID. Do you have people coming into the rec centers and whatnot of course you'll have a track of who who all has been there but for the other organizations are they being required to keep logs for future contact tracing. Yes, that is specifically that the sports teams have to have a roster so that if there is an outbreak, they can tie it to the league, the game and who else was playing that evening. Following on Sue's question about silver sneakers that also are you implying that those folks would have to pay an individual because normally the silver sneakers folks have basically an unlimited pass forever. Right. We would we still are working with silver sneakers on how that will work. My belief would be is that because it's a unique thing where silver sneakers do not pay that we would be reimbursed by activity that we would probably not charge them that because we're getting money in a different venue. And so they, they would be allowed to do that and the way of the system already set up to track and bill that organization for their use. Okay, thank you so much, Jeff, continuing with items from staff David Bell. Yes, it's good seeing everybody. And I just want to thank everyone for the support on the open space disposition, and again did a very good job and something that I think he was correct on. This was always the intent of this language. And I do really think about what council has directed us to do, which was really to give, or have someone acquire a conservation easement on our open space properties. The wet that interpretation were not allowed to happen. So, again, I do really think this was just clarifying language to do something that was always the intent of our ability to do that sort of disposition for the purpose, especially of conservation easement. So thank you Dan and thank you everyone else for working through that. The next piece I just like to kind of touch base on and Jeff is going through right now kind of this slowly, easy into how you start opening things back up which is definitely a challenge. But from the beginning of the whole COVID stay at home one things that I just want to say to this whole group, what a important piece of the city's assets we manage and take care of because when people are told to stay home the one thing is we have a great outdoor activities. We have great trail systems, and believe me people took that the heart and we saw increased uses at every one of our trail heads at all of our parts and all of our open spaces. People I don't think ever got out into a back country trail were at Button Rock, they were at Union, people that typically have been out of sporting events or taking family to brunch were the only place they had was our trails and open spaces. So I think it was just a critical piece to people's physical health and mental health to have them getting out and using on these properties. So along my heads just a great job with over 100 miles of trail, 41 parks, people really use them to the full extent I believe. With that said, they are still using them, they are still loving them, and we are now getting the push like Jeff did to start increasing the use of the facilities within the park so as Jeff's going through this right now he helped me quite a bit as we've moved through. How do we then the first thing we opened up was where the tennis courts so tennis courts were opened up first line for tennis and pickleball. We were then able to open up basketball courts volleyball courts and skate parks, and all those came with some challenges you know it really was pushing some of that burden back on the public to say, if you're going to use them we're not going to be the people checking to see from the same household if there's more than 10. So we're going to put a lot of burden back on you and the only thing we can really do to leverage that is take something away. You saw that at Union Reservoir we could not maintain social distancing at Union and we, we took away the ability to have the Swim Beach open because we just could not manage that so I think starting out strong and saying we mean this was important because we did the same thing with the skate parks and said we will take this away and I think we've seen a much better compliance now that we've done that. The next piece that just happened today was the playgrounds. So playgrounds again are under the governor's orders we've opened playgrounds and our shelters and we have really just told the public through signage social media that the city doesn't have the budget of the staff to continue to clean that equipment. So the responsibility is back on them if they want to use it and they feel that needs to be cleaned they have the responsibility to have the Clarks wipes and their hand sanitizers with them so we've been constantly going through this process and we're just kind of coming out the other side of that getting all the outdoor facilities open as Jeff's kind of moving into this phase. But with that said, even with those opportunities out there now, Union Reservoir we have again trying to say compliance with reducing number of people in a certain area, trying to reduce staffs contact with people in the public's contact. We're limiting the number of cars to about 135 cars coming in and is still just a very busy place with the Swim Beach being closed people are still running paddle boards. The boat runnels are up. The fishing is up. Everyone's having a great time out there but we're still backing people up to Conline Road as people wait to have one car leave a one car go in so I think it's just becoming a common feeling for people you wait for a reservation and a restroom to wait to get into Union they are they're just showing up and using it again as we scaled it up, trying to keep the pressure down we really just did a single day pass only we now have increased technology which I was told we couldn't do for years now we have the ability to do online season passes we've only done that for our Longmont residents again because we want to dampen the use that we know we're seeing from other places being closed so I think that is going well for people. We just saw a whole different clientele up there as people got up into that area and really started experiencing and enjoying it. We were seeing 100 to 100 plus vehicles illegally parked along the road that we're not allowing emergency vehicles in work with Boulder County to get some additional parking signs up there we worked with our public safety department we now have two police officers up there we're with Timbertossi's group to get some park staff up there to help with parking. I think it's been going really well but I don't know if you saw I think it was last weekend prior we had an emergency rescue up at Button Rock where we had to get emergency vehicles in through that access road on Conline Road 80 and back to the back of the park where a woman had slipped and fell into the creek got washed to the side and we had to get everyone up there and again I think just kind of working with our public safety officers our staff who were able to do that got everyone other safely. And then the other place that's really seeing a big hiccup is Macintosh Lake. I think as people were looking for some place to go kind of our little hidden gem in that community is no longer a hidden gem. And I think as people start looking at well I can pay to go to Union or I can go free at Macintosh I just think this is going to be something that's going to be a continued challenge on how we start managing the number of users out there. And then finally Steve's on here as well the last place we were just seeing that uptick that they saw in Boulder with the same sort of attraction is moving water in a creek through a town area so Boulder shut down Boulder Creek up by Evan G Fine. I will tomorrow morning be closing one of the bridges at Dickens because it is a jumping spot for young adults and adults will be closing that off tomorrow. We've tried signing it Steve's been out there. He's one brought this our attention so he made it my problem and Harold's problem so became Steve's problem after that so he has been out. Signing that bridge and it kind of sort of those bridges in Paris with a little locks all over them, but it's zip ties for where Steve keeps hanging signs and they keep coming down. So we just cannot manage it by working with people. What was the last straw was Dale right of makers out there tonight with his daughter, and he tried some people telling some people why they should not be jumping off this and he has basically told what to do several times and in several different ways. And he called me and said what do we do about this so it really is closing down that one bridge I did talk to Steve I think we can still keep good pedestrian use the park is accessible we don't have to take the stream measure closing down the park like they did at the G fine but I think one of the biggest challenges there is that water level fluctuates so much and these kids are not going to recognize when there's eight feet water or there's four feet of water or two feet of water so they just know they did it yesterday and that water can change in 24 hours when we change water levels of button rock so that's kind of where we're at the big local parks are staying really busy our trails are saying busy but again I'm doing as much as I can to keep as much open as possible. One because I think our community just needs and depends on this, and to the thing I'm working with other agencies is the minute one agency scale something back it pushes that problem someplace else so I think it's just, you know, part of being a good neighbor in our community is how do we all work together to to solve this problem is neat from the community so that that's really my my update at this point. I do see some questions. Jeff. I was planning on bringing the bridge to the attention so I'm glad that you already mentioned it I'm curious when you say close the bridge, I have done quite a bit of tubing tubing up there I'm curious how is it going to work are you actually saying no bikes no pedestrians or correct. I was moving and get back up to the top of that bridge is closed. So, there might be a little bit of inconvenience there but the way we did it we had it again, fortunately, we've learned through experience and down at sandstone ranch when the trail was washed out we had to figure out how to close that bridge off down there. And we learned a lot of ways you can't close a bridge off and people can get around it but we finally figured out just by fencing it and using I think three padlocks precise, we can actually lock off that bridge that makes it really a challenge and I think it's going to be a piece that if someone has seen on it, everyone's going to know they shouldn't be there because we did start seeing some Facebook posts that were telling people the city encouraged that support of that we made it safe we dug that area out to make it safe so this is going to make sure people know this is not safe there's the other bridge to the further to the west. That will be the access point there so if you're walking farther off and then cross there where you want to jump in here and that's his park so I'll let him talk about a little bit. Steve. Oh, yeah, no it's yeah Jeff. Yes, it would be a longer walk. And I really do think that people will come up to the location of this bridge and swim or walk across the river to get back to where they were coming from. I think from Ken Houston our water resources manager today I think the runoff is going to decrease somewhat significantly on the path next two or three weeks. So I think this is a problem that will go away but we at parks and water resources and fire and everybody else need to plan accordingly for next year so I think this is the first I've heard about the bridge closing. Is there a way to show that flow rate somehow because that was something I was looking for online like it would be great to know how fast that's flowing from a science perspective but also a safety perspective. Knowing if the tube is the safety kayak and also is it safe to cross. There are links on the city website as far as the different. We have different gauging stations from basically button rock down through lions and hygiene and and longmont that that give some pretty good ideas with the flow are, but as Steve heard today with all the ditches that can pull water off it changes really quickly between head gates and stuff so we can give a pretty good idea. And we'll work to see if we can get some of those links in a place that's more convenient for this group here but it's a good idea but again, we're very close to filling button rock so we scale back how much water is coming we want to fill that up pretty quickly here. So all it takes is a turn and not the button rock and that all changes pretty quickly to so. But yes we could we can try to get this one is that gauging information from the state, some places, but I mean even under the bridge would be good. I know you don't want people to jump I saw lots of people jump but it'd be cool if there was a way to see. Hey, it's two feet deep or it's five feet deep with. And those staff gauge sort of approach to what the level we could probably work on something you know. No actually I would disagree because you're right where that pool is changes. I've talked to a lot of kids out there I've been taught I've been out there, almost every day for a month. And I told them I want to reopen sunset pool. So we have lifeguards to make sure there's nothing under the high dive. But things can move by the minute by the hour by the day. There's no lifeguards out there there's nobody out there saying that it's safe to jump off the bridge. So, we have taken the stance that it's not safe to jump off the bridge and if you do so. Yeah, you know and David and I actually talked about how, if you were on swim team as a kid you can die off the starting block and only get, you know, that deep sort of thing. It's just not safe to allow that to happen so we're not allowing that. I was asking about the flow from a safety of watercraft more than jumping just to. Okay. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and that's where I think flow and depth can change to so I think we it's something that we have a lot of questions about but it's something we might be a lot I think fire and others have that same interest as far as you know, volume of velocity at versus depth because Steve said depth can change the velocities can pick up so there's lots of pieces to that. But I just have one other follow up the first of all I wanted to say I've done the biking back and forth all the way on the greenway all the way out to sandstone it's amazing I love it. I've now floated all the way down to that next take out and I'm curious. There's nothing that says don't keep going and I'm wondering, should there be advice that says stop or where can I go all the way to Mexico where does it go. I want to get you to the state park and I just talked to him that just did it recently, but once you cross under 119th or 119th Street, Boulder County has really said that's a natural area they have don't have a whole lot of interest in doing maintenance or making it more recreational. I can tell you that the the new director told me he does have an interest if we could find some time to start thinking about that because that really can get you out to the state park and Dan will for might talk to you a little more. You got to hit this right when the waters right if it's too high it can be a little bit scary if it's too low you're pulling your craft through mud out in the sandstone ranch area so that's where it gets to eventually is out to out to the state park. Thank you. Yeah, I can tell you Jeff that I'm actually meeting this sign designer on site tomorrow to come up with a series of signs that will make the boating and tubing portion of this safer. Great, including that one. Great. Thank you it's awesome we love it. Any other questions for David. Thank you so much for having me on this page. Mostly I just wanted to say thank you I've been thinking about all of you guys a lot during all of this just knowing how much I have valued my neighborhood park and just access to parks and open space trails and you know how important they are as you said early on David and those are getting a lot of pressure I've been thinking about you guys and putting the pressure of not being able to open the rec center and all of that so I just appreciate all you do and hope you're hanging in there. Well, again I thank you and that's where I think this board is a great chance to see what a great asset you manage. As we're saying thank you couldn't have been done without like say Jeff, Jeff has provided some of his staff to help out with the social distancing message in the parks that PD has been involved timbers have been involved folder county and state for I mean we have all been working together to try to make sure we can buy people a place where they can get enjoys areas without causing damage to our resource and also keeping people safe so it's been it's been a big challenge but it's been really been great to see people use it enjoy it. Hi, David I have a lot of questions or wonderments about Macintosh, it's a park in my close to my house. We go there. You know all year and own the place in the winter in the summer now it turns out lots of people as you said, it's changed forever. I think lots of people are coming from out of town, etc etc. Are you getting neighbor complaints. Lots of them. And I'm just going to tell you trying to balance that with what you know I hate saying this when you're the neighbor there and so first time you've seen this kind of increase it's it's kind of a new piece but as someone that manages properties with lots of neighbors lots of areas whenever you start seeing a park pick up the neighbors are always going to you know this is a change that's it's a big change for them and we recognize that we appreciate how we can try to minimize that but we just start talking about the staff I said we have to start thinking about as we especially move into next year and we don't see people going back to doing the sports fields and the pools and the rec center. How we manage this because union has a controlled entrance button rock has a controlled address hall ranch has controlled enters this has such a porous entry system. I can't get my head around how you how you start managing that part of it as Dan said is something that I think the city with all these great assets is going to continue to keep thinking about as it's our Ranger program and how we start trying to talk to people and force existing rules and regs. Again for me right now Dan, it really is I go out there and look at busy and I would say that I have staff members a little too and they say it's just horrible. However, I go out there and I see Longmont community residents using facility that's paid for by their tax dollars they're doing it in a way that they're maintaining social distancing majority of the time, and it's busy. I haven't seen anything where it's been like the union swim beach where I said, this is just uncontrollable and we're going to be the next outbreak of on the current buyers because we cannot manages I think once they get out on the water I think once they get other areas that congregate people that they're doing a fairly good job. That does not answer the questions the neighbors and the trash or everything else we're dealing with out there but we're working on a long term plan this I think what this is really done for us. If it's button rock if it is Macintosh if it's union is giving us a glimpse into what it will look like 10 years from now, without this is things that as we see what populations doing along the front range. We're having to figure that out now and I think some things we've done as far as online reservations people this expecting you may have you may not be able to swim beach without getting a reservation. How that's going to work so Dan if you have any thoughts or ideas I'm all ears but we are trying to have some. So, there are lots of swimmers, and I know specifically that's supposed to not be allowed right. Right. And that's the enforcement piece, how do we enforce. No, I understand you make good points and I don't. It's too late to put that genie back in the bottle. You know, I'm not complaining I don't live right on the street, you know I'm sure people who do live on the south side there are disappointed that you can no park on the street. If you're not there early enough in the morning I mean literally it's parked them on a Saturday or Sunday. There are no parking spaces and people are just people are just cruising looking for a spot so not only is it looking is the traffic of people looping looking for spots right, but I worry about swimmers and the first time somebody drowns. Are we as a city or any way liable. So, I think there's there's a difference between I think liable we have we have governmental immunity we have signage we have things are put in place we have rules and rights. I do think that one of the questions I've raised because we don't allow body contact but without paddle board and we just know that it's paddle boards, people going to end up in the water. And again, I think as we go forward how McIntosh gets managed is something that we as an organization are going to have to figure out because I do think we have above and beyond just our legal liability some obligations to our community and how we manage once we invite people onto that water. If we have people swimming there and there is no body contact no watercraft contact I push it back more on this is just irresponsible people but when we wait out onto a body of water, knowing that by choice or not choice to swim off their paddle boards and we know that to that they're going to end up in the water we have obligation this last weekend john brim had to pull they had 20 rescues out at union. I know how it is in Longmont right now the Winston is picked up here. And when that happens, you can have serious issues with with novices on watercraft if that's a paddle board or kayak or canoe. So, we're definitely seeing that those are things I'm going to think about how we start managing and budgeting for the future. The next point was the wind just came up. And I'm sure there were paddle boarders out on McIntosh going what the heck. Anyway, you're right, whether that's patrols or Rangers or I don't know what down the road that's just I'm glad you're thinking because that was me. That's basically the point I wanted to make in the paper. I guess it was just a few days ago, they talked about the wildlife buoys. And I've heard lots of people when I'm out on the lake, you know, you know, wanting to go over to that section or yelling at people for going over that sec. Is that going to happen you think this summer or never. I will take the, I will take the absolute heat for that one. If you look at the governor stay at home owner the safe air homeowner they're working it out in the workplace orders. It really is that the goal is to maintain that six foot distance, unless it's, you're unable to do that for some reason. In the city we have work that requires people to violate that six feet. If we have a water main break, and we have to get three guys down in a hole within three line space, we have to get water to people. If we have a sewer line break we have to provide that. When I look at this in the way these buoys are put out their heavy anchors in large buoys I need three guys in a boat wrapping their arms around this basically face to face, breathing heavy on a warm day. And I've had Dan looking at the area over there. I can't say there's a have to at this point. I would love to get Dan and I've told Dan over and over convinced me I can do in a way that doesn't jeopardize my staff safety as long as we're not seeing true irreversible impacts of wildlife. I'm sure that probably being some shore birds are being scared away this year but we're still seeing the pelicans we're still seeing the blue herons we're still seeing some of those that wildlife that shows up there and we're seeing in good numbers. If I had an endangered species would be threatened if I had something that was I felt like irreversibly damaged that area I would try to figure something else out but this point I have told Dan I don't want three people trying to spend a day on a hot day in mass violating social distancing, if we don't have to. No, that's fine. I was just curious, you know, I bow to your expertise. Oh, that's okay. Dan has done additional dance been out there he's done additional signage. I'm hoping to do the best we can do I would love to see him out there to on a good year where I have healthy staff they're hard to get out and this year I just have not been convinced I have to do that yet so I appreciate that Dan. And the last tip I could put in your online thing but it's quicker this way. I was at car recently and I saw your update that it's basically done. The bathroom is still locked. I don't know if it's within the playground fencing but anyway you can't get in the bathroom and the other night Wednesday. Last week I guess the sprinkler ran in one place for two plus hours directly behind the tennis courts to the south. So just FYI. No, tooth I will remind I'm going to Steve maybe I think Steve probably calling Kathy right now. I don't have the answer for you Kathy just gave an update on that today, and we're getting really close I think she's saying it's punch list items so it may be that close so I would expect those restrooms open soon. This irrigation sprinkler system so we've had some challenges with dispatch are not pointing fingers there's new people there's turnover. When those things happen, we have an on call person, and we should be able to address those those issues pretty quickly with our on call person. However, this point, people are being told they call dispatch and there is no weekend help there's no after hours help. So it's just a better job of internal communication making sure that dispatch knows who to call. And sometimes if it is two hours, it may not be worth it. We try to figure out we had we had a sprinkler system stay down for the whole weekend. And there's no way that should have happened. Dispatch should have got a hold of our on call person taking care of this we do have some work to do. Remind me, is there a way for folks me in particular to call or online email or something. Yeah, there's there's not emergent dispatch and I'm spacing it right now that Dan can look it up for me real quick but there's, there's not Dan. I wasn't Dan Wolfers up there he's he's looking right now there's there's not an emergent dispatch and they are they'll put you right in the same call call is emergent bill that uses emergency so don't worry about calling him that's what they're there for, and then they have the number for our on call people so. We'll get that to you here before the end of the meeting dance got it right now. Go ahead Dan. You're muted Dan David I I need that number two. No, here it is. Are you ready. It's 303-651-8501 I used it numerous times this weekend. Yeah, don't feel don't feel bad using it that's what those operators are there for they're going to ask for us emergency you're saying no those put you on hold for a minute and they'll get you and they'll get dispatched out appropriately. Is that for the weekend to. Yes. Yeah, Dan I talked to Kathy. Parks operations has been trying to figure out the restroom while she's building the new playground. It's not related to playground will reach out to parks operations make sure that gets open here this next week. Okay thanks just it was more of a pointer not a wine I'm not. Good that's, that's why we need eyes on the community with Kathy appreciated that you wanted me to put her on the phone right here to talk to her. And she's going to reach out to the operations folks about the irrigation thing. One thing I did want to say about what you guys were talking about earlier is that I think David and I both had an aha moment in the past 72 or 48 hours about Unions closed people are finding water at Macintosh and it dickens in other areas. Are they going to go back to pay for it while it's free. And so we need to, we need to figure that out where we might have some reduced numbers at Union, and we might have some increased uses at those two places, based on what people are, you know, as they go along so that's that's a concern of ours but I hope at least at Union or I'm sorry it dickens that runoff is going to decrease soon and the numbers will dwell except for people wanting to float in the water to stay cool. And we can get till next April or May to figure it out. Okay I'm going to pause here for a minute to point out that it is 10 of eight. We do want to get through the rest of the staff items and then items for the board so just, you know, don't want to cut off any important discussion or questioning but just kind of a little, let's move along. Are there any other questions for David Bell raise your hand. Jeff go ahead. I'll be really quick I'm just curious about the bridge one more time is the plan to permanently close the bridge or change the bridge because that's a nice way to bike. It's going to be temporary and I'm hoping that what we would get is again just like Union people recognize that we're serious and we would open it and so we did with the skate parks to we gave the Rangers and staff Harold bump that down to staff decision if we're seeing a problem we will close it off again and send that message but my goal will be to open that bridge back up. Once the water like Steve said once the water goes down and people recognize that it is no longer safe to jump there. We'll open it up here soon. So, thank you. Continuing items from staff, Steve Ransweiler. Oh, do I have anything. Do you have anything. Sure. I have, I have been graciously provided the opportunity to work with the neighbors in the creek side neighborhood with the, the BMX course that has been created in the repairing area along left hand creek at left hand creek park. I have personally well not personally but I have had contractors take these features down and past projects, but with council direction I will be looking to have some sort of a public meeting in the next 1690 days. We're going to go back to council first and let them know that our plan, what our plan is what my really my plan is just bring people out and say hey, you can't build stuff and other people's property. We may need some sort of a bike skills course in this part of town. We have 220,000 dollars in the capital improvement program for the sister's property which is just across 287 or main street to the east. Southeast of the rec center for some sort of a sort of a bike skills course. We want to repurpose some sort of property in the can of metal park or the left hand creek park parcel. There's going to be some sort of a public process that goes beyond just the BMX users and landowners and that sort of thing. I look forward to trying to engage with those kids and the adults that support them and we'll see where that goes this summer. Page go ahead. Let us know if there's any kind of public meeting on that. Oh, most certainly probably like to strongly support the value of healthy riparian areas. I mean I also like the idea of a bike skills course somewhere that's appropriate but I found the exchanges in the paper annoying. Well, yeah, I get that I find all sorts of exchange in the paper annoying. So how about that. Any questions, comments for Steve. Steve that good. Sure, I would just say that the intent is not to replace the BMX area in the riparian corridor. We will be re improving this riparian corridor sometime from fall to early spring 2021 and whether we're building something uber locally or somewhere in the area of southern southeastern Longmont, it remains to be seen, but we'll build something out there. Thank you Steve, Dan Wolfer. Yeah, is Jeff and David are working their tails off to get things open to the city and providing great recreation opportunities I'm getting ready for the COVID cocktail, if, if you will. And that is where you take COVID-19 and combine it with West Nile virus. So starting this Sunday, we'll be putting the mosquito traps out and starting surveillance for West Nile virus and it'll be very interesting to see, you know, what kind of impacts we have as I've talked before with County Public Health. They initially indicated not a problem, you know, people are staying inside so there won't be that interaction. Well, we're not seeing that in the slightest. So I'm gearing up for that and certainly, you know, the public aspect of it and getting it out to the public so that we can keep everyone safe from that perspective. But be aware of that. Strongly recommend, you know, you've probably heard me say it a bazillion times about the 40s, you know, long slaves and pants for your dress. So limit your activity in the evening hours, dusk to dawn, reduce standing water in your yards and certainly I won't recommend deep but strongly recommend repellent. So be safe as we start gearing into mosquito control season. Thank you. Thank you so much, Dan. Any questions, comments for Dan? Awesome. Thanks. Miss any staff? I don't think I did. Raise your hand if I missed you. Okay, items from Board Council liaison Rodriguez. Mostly I want to say that you guys ask a lot of great questions and help me answer questions. I've actually been about softball and baseball, as far as how my email stream looks. And so hearing what the guidance is on that is really helpful in answering those questions as well as, you know, hearing some about the sprinkler issue that I did receive some emails about that this weekend as well. And that the folks did properly notify the nonemergency dispatch and so that really is the best avenue for them. And again, thank you so much for joining us. These virtual meetings can be somewhat awkward in the emotions and votes and things like that as City Council is very well aware of at this point. So thank you guys for your patience with all that as well and thank you so much to our staff as following the guidance that's kind of put out very quickly is it's hard to keep track of I'm sure. I'm just watching the governor's press conferences and he says something and then watching how the various health departments deal with it is has been very enlightening to say the least. So just thank you everybody involved. Thank you so much. Rodriguez, I'm sorry. Thank you for your rating. Council Member Rodriguez and Dan. The sprinkler that's been going off. Do you have any, is it near the playground far from the playground. I'm trying to give Kathy some good information. I wasn't provided with specifics outside of the name of the park, which I believe is blue sky. Is that correct. This was this was a separate one. That was a separate one. Thank you. Dan was near the playground. The car park one I saw would be straight south of the Western to tennis courts in the big open soccer ish field. They ran for at least two and a half hours. They left the tennis court, only one of which has a net now. The sidewalk was flooded and it was starting to seep on to the tennis court. So I'm sure it's just one, you know, valve is stuck or the timers. So straight south of the Western tennis courts. Correct. And there was probably want to say five or six jets on that cycle something like that. Does that make sense. Yes, rotors. Yes. Dan, just because you covered it on the missing net, now that we have 25 people in an outdoor space, we will be putting those other nets up. Oh, I meant to ask that. Thank you. Okay, continue with items from board Manoj. No, I don't have anything as of now. Thank you. Jeff. Page. Yeah, I wondered when we might hear about any budget impacts to parks recreation open space as a result of just the overall COVID financial downturn. That's that's probably we'll be glad to try to get that as soon as we can but I was going to say it's it's an ongoing target because we're being asked to cut due to impacts to our revenue stream from local businesses. At the same time, while we're being asked to cut, we're cleaning restrooms twice a day which added $100,000 for our budget and paper weekend patrols out at Button Rock and other areas to union to try to keep up with the social distancing piece. So we're adding hand sanitizers and stuff to our restrooms so we're seeing an increase in my existing budget is already been cut so when I get my head around it, I'd be glad to give you an update as we move forward because I think it's an important piece. The other pieces is that if we continue to get the support we seem to be getting from the state. Some of these costs may be reimbursable as well. Okay, good to have the same update from recreation to just to hear overall. Yep, we will do that. You got good for your page. Dan Olson. I'm good, thanks. Sue Albert. Just also want to thank Park and Rec. I think you've done a great job and because I can swim sadly I've been on my bike all over town and I really am seeing people who I would say are are people who haven't gotten out before. I've seen a lot of families. It's been really beautiful to see. I hate to bring it up, since I know there's going to be budget cuts but I imagine we can't have a discussion this summer then about a possible recreational swimming pool facility. I think that's still on the agenda council had given us direction to do a public process. It's still our intention to do that. It felt it'd be best when we can have people in the same room because we believe it'd be much easier than the zoom type of meetings. I'm glad to hear that. And I personally was also glad to see the school district say that they were going to also build a pool. So that was pretty interesting. No comments there. That's all. Thank you Sue Rob. I know his time is bleeding right now. Rob, do you have anything to share with us. You're muted. I don't have anything to say. You did it. You did it. Okay. And then I guess I just will echo everybody else's thanks to the extremely hardworking staff set at both parks and at recreation and I also want to thank all of the administrative support for making these meetings work. This is, this is totally fun. Now at agenda item number eight, this is, oh, sorry, Dan Olson, go ahead. While we're talking about meetings, is this the plan for next month or is there a plan. A meeting like this. We don't have any idea. We have no idea. I would say that we would do it only if there was some action that the board needed to take. Like, like this evening with the open space. Okay. Okay. I'll be traveling. I brought it up because I'll be traveling, but I can, I think I will have internet on this, whatever that Monday is the 14th or 11th of July, whatever it was. Okay. I'll watch email. Sue should have said this before. So if that is the case, one thing that I really missed the past three months was that there wasn't communication, just a little bit of sharing with the board about things that are happening. If so, if we aren't going to have meetings, I would appreciate, you know, even just these, the reports you do on a regular basis, just being included because I felt, you know, my information came from the newspaper, which I don't think is, you know, a full source. And I just would appreciate just a little more, you know, interaction as a board member just a little more information, I should say. I agree with that. Yep. That we will make sure that if nothing else that we get a update for from David and from recreation. Okay, thank you. Thank you. This is agenda item eight. Final call public invited to be heard. Susan's going to put the instructions on the screen. And we will take a four minute pause. And reconvene in for while we're not not convening for minutes. Chair I'm not seeing anyone that has called in. Thank you very much. In that case, I am prepared to entertain an emotion for adjournment. I motion to adjourn. Okay. All those in favor of adjourning please indicate by raising your hand and saying I. Motion passes unanimously. This meeting is adjourned. Thank you everyone. Thank you for your support.