 You have not an awful lot of time left, you're running out of time and you need to challenge. It doesn't look like a training, balls in your court really isn't it? Well it's true, the first stage today we've had some transmission issues which we've had to change now, we're having to learn to drive scratching my stomach and rubbing my head at the same time because I have to shift up with my, I mean down with my paddle and up with my lever which is not where it's meant to be so it's a little bit of excitement but the tight stage, the one right over above the needy, where I thought we'd really struggle with against the four-wheel drive, we were only a second behind Glenn so that was quite good. The last second, last stage I still think we were the last time to him although we think we came through there quite a bit quicker than we had, we made up, we nearly caught Martin through there so you know that was 30 kilometers we'd nearly caught him so you know we're doing okay you know as long as we don't do anything stupid and long as we can keep the gearbox to hold up to the end that's going to be the next challenge. Well you know right now we're just trying to stay consistent and not overly push too hard because we're not going to catch Glenn unless he makes a mistake and we've got a big gap over the rest of the field so you know the goal now is just to hold the car together and stay to the end and you know maybe you know fortune will fall our way and Glenn will have a little bit of a problem get a flat or something don't want to crash just want to have me to flat tyre it'd be nice just to let us catch up. You haven't thought of having a word in his ear and trying to psych him out yet? No but I'm not beyond trying to bribe him I guess I could go over and offer him a bit of cash if he'd just want to slow down for a little while. What's it going to cost Gavin do you think in terms of bribes? I'll get a good co-driver so it cost him a hell of a lot I can tell you that much. The moment the pressure is just making sure we do everything right so that we keep car reliable we have some margin to play with which means that at a time if the stage is not going well sometimes you can't it's undescribable it's about the flow of the stage and if it's not working for you we have an advantage so that we can back off when it's working for us we push on and we did in the last stage and it was a blast. Don't know you buddy don't want the back to pass the front. Okay here we go be nice. When you get that bit of margin and a bit of comfort that's generally when you make the errors isn't it? Yeah although between stages I'm thinking of Gilly last year at seven minutes and broke down you know like countless motorsport stories where the guys way out in the front should be easy and it's not you know Richard Mason broke a gearbox on the power stage of NZRC rally when he had a ginormously so you can't get complacent because complacency will cost us this event and we're not going to be complacent. So what do you do to keep yourself on task? Just think about all those things that can go wrong and make sure we don't do them and don't make stupid mistakes. Well hey it's a five-day event so we've decided to try and go for the reliability out of it it's not the fastest car but we're doing a good job wasn't expected to be third by now you know we just thought we'd hang in there until Saturday and see we were but I'm pretty happy. We're just going to keep on pushing like we are we can't catch these guys I've got some pretty some rockets in front of us but we'll keep pushing keep them on us because you can't back out of it you've got to you've got to still push along so reliability is going to be a big thing and we think we have a package to get to you know it's like Bethes you know those guys who won that it was certainly in the back.