 So it is 615, pretty close to it on July 10th on a rainy day. And we posted this meeting in three public places. And on the website and email interesting parties correct. So we can move forward with this select board meeting of the town of Rochester. And I'm going to start off with the minutes from the prior meeting of June 26, which I was able to join the zoom. So I can look through these and they look good to me. And you guys have any corrections? I do not. No, then I move to approve. On favor. Okay. And we also have a set of minutes from the special meeting on seven seven in which we set the approve and set the tax rate for fiscal year 24. And that looks good to me. I would move to approve those minutes. One favor. Okay. That's those two. And we have. The rain, which. We're looking for a signature on the better. Rose Grant Colbert replacement for Rogers Brook and Buffalo Mountain. And I would encourage us to go ahead and approve that one. We can replace. And we also need a signature for the amendment one on the West Hill Bridge geotechnical investigation. What exactly is the geotechnical investigation. It was extra. They need extra funds to finish. In the very beginning they were. They had to do something. Right. And then you needed extra funds to finish that test. And so it was done back when Joe was. But he didn't have the paperwork completed. So he finally got to that part of this job. And sent it along. So he could have a signed copy. And then as the client, we need to authorize that. So. I would move to. Okay. The. The. The total of the cost is $65,000. I think that is. Part of that. I would move to authorize. That was already done before. Jason just didn't get it. And finalized. Okay. And then next on the agenda, we've got, I think this was requested by you, Robert. If you're there about the two rivers out of Quiche discussion. Regarding public infrastructure grants versus personal real estate. We want to. Elaborate. Elaborate on what your concerns are. Your computer's muted, but we can hear you on your phone, so. Yeah. Yeah. You're, you're echoing. That was with regards to. The, the town's concerns today. D Mendele is in major pain. And. I called forth to. Chris Bump. And a number of other people to help him. And that, that is a sidebar. So I want to go forward with regards to. Two rivers out of Quiche. Grants. Public infrastructure. And personal real estate. And I'm going to put forth the question. In all the state. Secretary. Documents. Hendricks. Hendricks. Is represented by his name. Leslie. Why in God's world. Is he signing. And putting forth his name. In proper. I have. Many nicknames in the town of Rochester. There's probably 12 of them. In a legal and public manner. My name is. Signatured. With Robert John Franks. So I don't understand. And moving forward. I want to know. Grants that were put forth. With regards to the. Quote unquote stable in. What, what are the numbers. And are the taxpayers paying for that. I reached out to. Two rivers out of Quiche. The state of Vermont. And I cannot find any. Responsibility. Personal. Real estate. Promotions or whatever. It's a gigantic question. And so I'm. I'm very simply. Reaching out to. The town of Rochester. And, you know, it's okay. I just want to know the dynamics of the, of the numbers. Are there. Taxpayer numbers. Are they. Federal numbers. Are they. Documents. Are they. Supported by. What has been put forth to the secretary. State's office. What is. Where are the numbers coming from? The question to pose to the select board. On the select board. Did. Did not apply for any. Any specific grants. For any business. In our town. So we have, we're not privy to that information, nor should we need to look into this because. I don't know how. The high school and all the goodness they're doing. And where the money comes from. Because we are. Inundated. With over. Property taxes. Supporting the school. And everyone just says back. And just says, oh, it's all good. Okay. I guess. You're asking us to look into something. About. Where does two rivers. Get their funding from. Well, it's not just where they get. Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a patty. I think it would be more proper for doing to. Address this situation. Not you representative to two rivers. Right now. So it would be a problem for me to look into it. I think that's a question for two rivers. It's not really a question for this board, but if you're asking if. Any money came from two rivers to. Contribute to my personal projects. There's no money came from two rivers to contribute to those. I don't know if we even got much advice from. Two rivers. They are the regional. Commission. And they are in. In trusted with overseeing the brownfield development program. So I guess. I'd like to say that. I'm not very concerned. I'm not very concerned with the project and involved with the school project because. Any. Brella brownfield money is administered through them. But in terms of your insinuating that. I'm. Having tax payers pay for my personal projects. There's, I'd like to see any. know already. Well, I think the town should go forth to the Secretary of State's office, the documents that are signed by a gentleman named Leslie Hendricks, or Hendricks, but not signed. But I think it's, I don't see where the slide board has any jurisdiction over this. And it's really, it's a personal issue for Leslie, if that's the way you want to address him, that's fine. We all know him as doomed. So, but Leslie is the right word, that's fine with me, but we don't have any jurisdiction over who gets the grants or who's awarded the grants. They're out there for any business that comes in and wants to enhance a downtown, they're available through the state. Two rivers basically steers you in a direction and the homeowner or the business owner needs to fill out the grants and dot their eyes and cross their T's and do everything there's involved in getting that grant awarded to them. And there's always a financial catch with these grants, it's not just the total package isn't free, it's there's money involved that has to come from the person that's getting the grant. It's just like our towns, when we get a grant for like 50,000, there's a match portion of that that we have to pay. And it usually comes out of our budget, we try to put that in our budget so that we can get that extra money to help address the issue that we're trying to address in the in the budget or the road project that we're doing. And it's it's there through the state and through federal agencies that supply these grants. And that's the only way that towns can exist with the kinds of costs that are associated with any projects going forward. Now on a business point of view, the zoning has always encouraged the development of communities to stay within the community itself. In other words, our village zone has always been zoned so that you want to keep the center as vibrant as possible. So with Mr. Hendricks doing what he's he did, it was a good thing for the community that we didn't back it at all. It's it was all through this grants, but his foresight to do this was to improve the community in his area of town. And it's a bonus, it's a bonus to the community to have someone that with a business sense that wants to address that issue and bring it forward. It's no different than the hardware, the the cafe or any other business that wants to enhance it. Now, they're not all eligible for grants. I'm sure Leslie and Annie had issues when they went to address these grants. I'm sure they didn't get every grant that they wrote and spent time getting. And there's not there's a lot of work involved in doing that. And I take my hat off to them. The government supplies every individual that wants to do something that has the right amount of tools and the time to do it to fill out these grants and see if they can get an award. So, you know, I don't know why you think it's a slight issue because it is. It's a personal issue. And if that's what you're driving at to make it a personal issue, then you're in the wrong form here. I think Frank over there. I'm having trouble hearing you, Robert. Robert, maybe you want to hang up your phone and then unmute your computer perhaps? Yeah. Okay, hold on. He just hung up his phone. And then there you go. Okay, try that, Robert. Thank you, Kristen. I don't mean to go forth in aggravation or anything. It's just a call forward to support the people of Rochester. And if we have to depend on Tuva Rosada Quichy, that has been very, very helpful with the redevelopment of the school and everything that's going on. But personal property using Tuva Rosada Quichy grants is, I believe it's not. Did you not hear that we have received no money from Tuva Rosada Quichy? And any grants, we did get a facade improvement grant from the Department of Environmental, you know, it wasn't environmental economic development. There are grants out there. There are no way to connect with the town. So if you have problems with the Vermont Department of Economic Development offering grants, that's something to bring up with them. But nothing that to select for it here has got any control over. But no money is coming out of town pockets to take care of my business. So I don't see what more there is to say. Thank you. Thank you for your opinion. The next thing on our list was minutes and more generally regarding slavery in Vermont. Yep. And that was a guest and they're not here. Hi. Thanks for having us on again. And they're on the phone. Sorry. Can you hear us? Yes. Sorry, Bruce. I didn't think that you were here. I didn't realize that was your phone number. Okay. Thanks. You're all set. Thanks for having us on. I think we tried to clarify some things because I think it's important that the town select board hear certain things that have been going on and with the letters and notifications. So I think all we have is a few comments concerning maybe the minutes and clarifications in that manner, which sort of summarizes maybe what we've said. So, Janine, can you hear me? Okay. Can you hear me? Yes. Hello? Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Yep. Okay. Great. Yeah. So yeah, thanks like Bruce said for listening. And in terms of the proposed minutes, we wanted to go over a few things. We did send through Julie. We sent Julie something amended because when we had sent the last notice document to Julie, and then we sent a copy to the town, as you recall, the town official. So we had the exhibits mixed up and we apologize for that. So we realized our mistake. And we've just been dealing with sleep loss for too many years and too much work and illness. So we fixed that. And so Julie probably got that through priority mail already. If not, it'll be coming soon. And amended copy of that, which was filed on the docket. So in terms of the minutes, I'm just going to read a letter that we're going to send to you. I've just been really sick with Lyme. So we haven't been able to get this to you yet. But just we're stating no judgment or anger about this just for clarification and communication that the synopsis with the proposed minutes is unclear in certain specific ways because above all, it misses clarification. The main and most critical points we made at the 626 select board meeting, which were number one. These are the most critical main points. Number one, we've stated the town has been a grievous leap, brutal, and dishonest toward us regarding the situation with Lyme and Hull Inc.'s plat map, meaning the plat site plan of 2003 and also the claimed corrective quote unquote corrective plat of 2019. And we say that the town has not been honest and has not done their job. That it's time for the town to finally do their job. We stated that ethics and then honest reckoning needs to be honored herein. So we stated on June 26th what we have numerous times stated before to the town, both verbally and in writing. And when I say to the town, I mean to the planning commission and, you know, now obviously to the select board. So that the zoning administrator do needs to send a notice of violation that Lyme and Hull Inc. and Lyme and Hull Incorporated stating that their plat map violates both local bylaws and laws stated Vermont and that Lyme and Hull Inc. must remove it from land records. So that's regarding both the 2003 plat slash site plan and also the 2019 corrective plat, which needs to, once it's removed from the shelves, it needs to be held in trust, as we stated, to by the town clerk to Lee Smith needs to hold that until, you know, the constitutional court of record resolved the issue of the Lyme and Hull Inc. plat map. So just to make really clear, we're not asking the town to resolve the issue of what happens with the Lyme and Hull Inc. plat map that is completely an issue within the realm of the constitutional court of record. So number two, again, clarifying what we stated and want to make really clear of regarding the 626 elect board meeting on 626, we asked for the town to support both zoning administrator Dune and town clerk to Lee to do their job and to stay within the realm and role of their job descriptions and responsibilities, meaning for a notice of violation to be sent to Lyme and Hull Inc. as we already said, and for the illegal void court on Judas judgment order of June 6, 2023 to not be recorded in the Rochester land records, which is a void judgment order regarding which we stated on 626, 2023, our financial instruments, illegal financial instruments in land records, which violate laws stated for month for fire safety, local bylaws at all. Yeah. So, and of course, when we say illegal financial instruments, we're referring to the two Lyme and Hull Inc. plat maps of 2003 in the corrective one of 2019. So we also want to clarify that it's time stamp because we're going to be sending you this letter, which has an exhibit of a transcript of the 626 select board meeting tape. So you'll have that for reference. So we clarify that at time stamp 4956 to 5003 on the transcript had Harvey stated as Bruce and I had begun to transition out of the meeting room. She said, when we confer with counsel and they define Julie and Dune's job, that will take place, end quote. So we make really, really clear now that Dune, the zoning administrator job and Julie, the town clerk's job, are defined by statute by case law by Vermont standards set by the Vermont League of Cities and Towns by standards, which town officials and town employees are held to in Vermont, et cetera, in a situation where in town officials, only powers convert to them by the state. We remind you that Vermont is a Dylan's rule state and that power from the state itself is derived from and is an expression of those of the people of Vermont in town officials and employees serve. So we note that again, the constitutional court of record has clearly defined Julie Smith, the town clerk's job in the notice documents given to Julie, including the amended one that was if she hasn't gotten it yet, she'll be getting it soon. It's basically the same thing, the same thing that just has the exhibits corrected. And this isn't remains the law of the case. So in terms of that, the town can think whatever they think about this, the Court of Constitutional Court of Record, that's fine. The town can think what they like. We're simply saying that's the town's business. What they think that's up to them, the town. Yeah, we're simply stating what is and the law must be followed, which means that the zoning administrator, Dune and the town clerk to Lee need to do their job as their jobs are actually defined for actual law. Jeannette, can I interrupt here? As long as you're saying something new because you're saying the same thing several times now. So what's wrong with that? What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that is we're trying to get to some clarity. Okay, just read the documents. That's all you need to do. Read the documents. You'll find out what the clarity is. Okay, thank you very much. Nope, there's no. So in a search for clarity about these documents, we did. I'm having a hard time hearing you and can you repeat that? I said in our search for clarities around these documents that you have submitted to us, we submitted them to our town legal counsel and he has had trouble finding any legal validity to your arguments. And if you're asking, there you go. Thank you very much. First, you need to let me speak. Look Dune, whatever, like we said, whatever you think of the documents, hey, that's totally up to you. Town officials can think whatever they want about it. There's already been a decision. There's already a judgment in the case. There's a valid judgment to get the hell out of my life. First, you need to stay calm. I'm sorry he's getting upset. We've been through years of obfuscating brutal trauma with this situation with Lyman Hall Incorporated and seeing neighbors become incredibly abused as well. It's really too much for us. We're an intensive PTSD with this. So all we can say again is that the town is free to think whatever the town wants to think. That's totally up to you. Your counsel can say whatever they want. They have no jurisdiction and you have no jurisdiction. You abdicated your jurisdiction long ago. Thank you very much. This is not what we were taught. Look, I'm sorry, but it's just getting so upset. That's just our message. We wish you well. We wish you all peace. We wish you self-reflection at what actual honesty and ethics are because we have an experience that from the town officials from coming to the planning board all these times in communication with certain town officials with the court system. We have an experience that with Lyman Hall and their legal counsel. It's all about lies. It's lying. It's a clarification. It's changing. It's important, but not like us. But we just say it's not lying. It's lying. First, you're not helping. First, you're not helping. No, it's about lies. They're liars. I might just have to ask Kristen to mute you. But not treat us very well. First, you need to hang up if you're going to start yelling. It's not helping. It's not. It's not. He's very traumatized soon. You have to understand. He's profoundly traumatized. We want to see the house go down right now. First, you need to get off the phone. You're not helping. You need to get off the phone. You need to hang up. It's a motherfucking trailer park. Brace, you're not helping. You know, we're going to say goodbye now. You know, you're not respecting me doing if you just hang up because I have not yelled and you need to take this in a little context that when I'm on the phone. Yeah, I'm on the phone. First, you need to hang up the phone. You are not. I would like to be done. Of course not. Robert Franks would like to make a comment. Okay. Yeah, I think you go for it, Robert. Public comment. Yeah. The most important thing, Dune, or Leslie, Patty, and Frank, Kristen, Julie, is that there has to be some compassion moving forward. With regards to Dune, or to Bruce and Janine's case, you have to address it in a proper manner. You cannot put this forth into a disposal. Dune, you have to address this. It's a very important thing. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. Lyman Hall. Now, be careful that you don't put yourself in legal jeopardy by slandering people here, Robert. I, Dune, Leslie, I, oh, legal jeopardy. Well, maybe you should reflect on to that because legal jeopardy is in my conscience and my goodness to support people of Rochester, Bethel, and so forth. So you can just sit back and I'm going to ask this request one more time. I'm going to ask that Frank Severi does not laugh at me. Patty Harvey doesn't laugh at me. And you dispose the concerns and the communication that we're trying to put forth. So Frank can sit back and laugh. You can sit back and laugh. Patty Harvey can sit back and laugh. But I'm making this point very clearly that you should not deny the concerns of the public. So Kristen, I see you there. Patty's making notes. Dune sitting back. And let's go forward. But most importantly is that I, the only thing in my life is to help people and support people. I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not on this meeting to reject people or to deny people. I'm here to just support. So let's move forward with the meeting and we'll see what happens. Okay. Thank you. Yep. There's, is there anyone from Zoom on the library? No, not from the library, but Martha does have a question. Just a request. I think I mentioned it to you already. I was not able to, I didn't remember in time to call before this meeting to ask if you could, if I could put my request to have for the players to have Harvest Fair on the park on September 9th. So could you, I think I mentioned it to Julie, but I just want to make sure that the Julie and Kristen would add it to next, the next select board meetings agenda, something for you to approve, please. Yep. Julie added it. Okay. Thank you very much. Report from the highway. There's no dust anywhere. I didn't talk with John later today. We've had some minor issues, mainly shoulder issues and some culverts, but nothing drastic. Everything's knocked on wood is pretty decent. So we're fortunate. He is in the process of moving roadside. So this rain couldn't have been at a worst time really because we rent the vehicles for a couple of weeks and he's, he works Sunday, the mall, so they're doing their due diligence. And another note that they went through their request to do the, the riverbrook bridge or covert because they didn't get any real good bids. Nobody would give them a bid because they weren't trying to get a bid this year for next year. Nobody wanted to do it. So they're withdrawing that request and they'll throw it out in the spring. So that's how it, John did approve the driveway for the folks up on the bridge out there on Larry Strauss's road. The guy bought a chunk of land up on the upper mountain road and he's going to put a driveway up there. We had tabled that last time. Yeah. Yes. And John approved that. And I sent the guy a letter moving that driveway. He wants a third foot landing strip there and an 18 inch hole in support of it. And I haven't heard any response. I CC grade Harvey on the note and I'll be meeting with Chris and at some point so we can get the extra 20,000 for the bridge that we need to do. And I'm not sure what John's plan is with the Rogers brook covert, but if I know Bethel has some issues with that, they're rolling over there now on the camp brook side. So I don't know what's going to happen there. We may be looking at a road closure for them over there for a bit. We don't know. And maybe John will want to stop that cohort this year. So I don't know. We haven't had a chance to talk about that yet, but I'm sure we'll, we'll get to it. And we'll see what the Frank Franks. I just want to put forward, please don't laugh at my concerns. I haven't been laughing at your concern. Please don't, please don't laugh at my concerns. And I want to, hold on. I want to put kudos, kudos to do Leslie for reaching out to Dean Mantell. He's in serious trouble. And I try to contact Chris bump the V trans stretch to get up there. He's evacuating his property this evening. So I'm very sad. And I don't believe me. I believe me do Leslie Frank Patty. These are not personal comments. These are public comments. So I want to move forward with something to help Dean and Connie down there at that bridge that was never repaired during Irene and Dean and Connie are evacuating. So I I did talk to Dean and they're at that point, they're the roof coming down through their yard had not jumped the bank, but they're not going to sleep there just because they don't want to worry about about that. So I think it was probably prudent and I was able to get in touch with Chris bump and alert him to the situation. So we'll see what what comes from that. Well, Leslie, I just want to thank you for reaching out to Dune or to Dean to say, Hey, we're going to take care of you because it's a disaster down there. Well, it's not quite a disaster down there. It's a potential of a disaster down there, but it seems like we might have dodged the bullet and the rivers seem to be going down, but it's not too much. But thank you for your concern. Most importantly, it's just Robert Franks. Martha, you look like you're falling asleep. I'm not falling asleep. I'm coughing. I have asthma. So I'm wheezing occasionally. Pardon me. Well, Martha, if you ever need help, you just dial my number and I'll be there. Thank you, Robert. That's a fact. Come back to Leslie. We're still not actually talking about the highway. Yeah. So you're pretty much we're left it off that they're going to reissue a bit for that cover. They'll put that back out a bit in the spring. And we'll probably do the same with this follow. I couldn't get it out in time. I couldn't get signatures. And we couldn't get the signatures to the people that we need to do a natural resource for the river work. So we'll put it out in the spring. And the same with the river drive. So is there Terry? No, no. How about Jeff? No, no. How about any grant updates? Nope, you signed that paper and that's all I needed for now. Yep. Yeah, was there someone else? I did want to make you aware that it looked like Bruce and Jeanine were in the waiting room again. So I was going to ask for permission to let them in, but they've since hung up. So they're no longer there. Yep. I would like if it is proper, I would like to put out a message to Nancy Woolley. Go for it, Robert. Well, you know, I didn't know that Nancy and Woolley or Nancy and Charles were sailors. But I find it hard to communicate the things to Nancy that Charles, her dear husband, so much be involved. You know, it's very hard for me. So Nancy Woolley has been a structure, a statue, a wonderful woman. And I never got the chance to spend time with Charles. And, you know, it goes back to Ted Turner. It goes back to wonderful America's Cup races. And Nancy, who is a, I don't even know how to explain Nancy Woolley. She is a dear and wonderful person. I think we all echo your sentence. And I'm going to agree with you. I know she's on the meeting. Yep, she is. Perhaps I'll talk to you and Charles. She waved. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Robert. I was expecting the motion. All right. Have a good night.