 Make no mistake. If you're watching this podcast, if you listen to us often, you work out and eat right, you are part of the rebellion. Look, I'm not being overly dramatic here. This world is organized in a way to make you unhealthy. Literally. If you follow the rules and do exactly what you're supposed to do, work the way you're supposed to. Watch, consume the way you're supposed to. If you take the pills they tell you to take. If you eat the way they tell you to eat, you will be fat, sick, unhealthy, and disempowered. In other words, you have to go against the world. The very act of being healthy or pursuing health is rebellion. Welcome to the war. I should have known partnering up with a couple of nerds that we eventually would do some Star Wars bullshit. The next thing you know, they build a Death Star. I should have known, dude. This is what a rebel alliance is. You guys couldn't help yourself. First opportunities. I am going to keep saying this because every time I do this. Sounds finally on point. There's a group of people that I roll and say things that can be dramatic. That's not what's happening. That's not the deal. Listen, it's as simple as this. That's all the sheep. And I'll get to more. I'll get to more. Okay, but it's as simple as this. If you literally just follow the game plan, like if you just live in the world like you're supposed to in the modern world, the way you're supposed to, the odds are you're going to be not healthy. You're going to be sick. You're going to be weak. You're going to be either overweight or have diabetes. You're not going to feel well. You're going to be on antidepressant medications or anxiolytics for anxiety. That's the default. So what is the definition of rebellion? It's literally going against what everybody else is doing is being different. So this is why if you're watching and you're a fitness fanatic or you just watch what you eat, you don't even have to be a fanatic. You just exercise regularly and you eat healthy. How many times you have to explain yourself to friends and family? How many times you've been told that you're weird? Have some fun? Let loose. You're obsessed or whatever. It's because you are different. You're very different. Now, here's why this is coming up for me again. I could go down the list of reasons as to evidence and proof as to what's going on. But this war, which is what I'm going to label it, is getting so bad and so crazy. It used to be 10 years ago or more where it was much more insidious and sneaky. It was like the food pyramid and it was like advice on exercise. And us who understood truly how to get healthy and fit would see it and go, my God, that's kind of wrong. That's not really what's going to help. But they've gotten so blatant now. It's so weird. I almost feel like I'm in an alternate universe. There's this woman. I think that's how she identifies. I'm not trying to be funny because I'm not sure. But it appears to be a woman. She calls herself on social media the fat doctor. Never heard of this. And she just did a poll and she's got a lot. Here's the scary part. She has a ton of followers on TikTok. A lot of followers on TikTok. There's a lot of fat people. That's why. Sad. She did this video that is now going viral. Of course, I got tagged on it where she's literally making the case that losing weight is not only a waste of time. It's bad for your health. The evidence is very clear. Up to 98% of people that attempt weight loss will have regained all the weight within five years. This is a doctor, Adam. This isn't just like some random idiot. This is an actual doctor who's saying it's unhealthy. Now, here's how she gets away with it. She says things like 95% of people who try to lose weight gain it back. True. Or you're going to see improvements in health markers, but it only lasts about a year. True. Because people gain the weight back. That people pursue weight loss in a way that makes them mentally unhealthy. True. Now, that's what we're trying to correct. We're trying to correct that, right? But what she does is she takes the data and instead of saying, okay, people are doing it wrong, everybody. There's a right way to do this. It is healthy for you. The byproduct of being healthy both mentally and physically is that you look a particular way. And the byproduct of being unhealthy mentally is there's another byproduct that looks a particular way, right? You have a different relationship with food and yourself and all that stuff. Instead of saying that she's taking this data and she's saying total waste of time, you're going to gain the weight back. Don't even bother. Don't even bother. Just go out and just follow the rules, eat everything, don't exercise. It's better for you type of deal. And she's making the case and she has a PhD behind her name. Wow. And it's infuriating. It's absurd. It's infuriating to me because what's going to happen, not because it's countered the message that we put out. That's annoying at most. It's infuriating because what she's doing is she's effectively, because I hear her arguments and I know how she's appealing very strongly to the person who feels defeated, the person that we try to reach, right? The person who's like, man, I've tried this four or five times. It doesn't work. And I did hate myself through the process and I was restricting and I did use exercise as a way to punish myself. She's appealing to those who are bold. She's emboldening their dysfunction. And they're going to hear this and they're going to feel like, yeah, thank you. Yes, you know what? This is wonderful. And for a second it's going to feel good to these people to let go of this, you know, this dream that they had or whatever. Or maybe in a temporary way, they're going to feel better about themselves because the shame is gone, right? They don't have the shame anymore. And she's potentially convincing thousands, hundreds of thousands who know amount of people to never try again. So crazy to me. So sad. Do you think this is attached to the conspiracy theory around modern day slavery where there's people that put out like that the elite wants you sick, weak. And wage. And wage dependent. Yeah. Right. And dependent on the government medically. And there's this idea that, you know, why, like putting, having slaves, we don't have technically slaves anymore. But if we give everybody just enough money and just enough government help and support to barely get by. And make them feel sick, get them sick so they're dependent on our medicine and our. Then it's just another form of slavery. Sure. So instead of my old day, old time slavery where I had to bring you into my home. I had to give you shelter, feed you, take care of you medically if I wanted you to be able to survive and work for me. I had to provide all those things. Instead of doing that now, we give them this really small wage just so they could barely pay for their housing, barely pay for their food and barely pay for their medical. And then make them feel like they're independent, but really they're dependent on us. There's a quote. Do you feel, do you feel like that's all? Well, I don't know if there's like this big plan, but I will say that there's all the incentives point in that direction, right? Like I've talked about this before, every market that I can think of would suffer terribly monetarily. The profits would go down if everybody suddenly became healthy. Not just physically, but mentally, spiritually, right? We just consume things differently. We don't consume as much. We don't need as many distractions and that kind of stuff. Like some of the best things you could do in life are free. And so it would hurt a lot of people, but there's a quote, I think Bastiat said it. I hope I'm saying his name right. So it's something like none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. Because now you don't even know. You don't even know that you're being controlled. You don't even know that you're dependent. That was the point, right? There are a lot of people that subscribe to that. You know, you don't even know and you think you're independent, but in reality, you're as much or more of a slave than during slavery times when you think about it. And the more you think about the direction that we're going for both what you're saying, like trying to keep people sick, where the medical system everybody wants medical government to provide all that for us, then you see what's happening in the housing market. I mean, if the Fed drops the rates three times this year, like they're saying, you're going to see a run on real estate again. You don't even own property. Yeah. It'll get to a point where it puts it so far away that then you are forced to have to run. Well, they did say, literally, they did say, this was a quote, you will own nothing. What was it? You will own nothing and be happy. Yeah, I think too. What year was that? Sorry. That just the WF. 2015 when they said that, right? It wasn't that long ago. Yeah, I think it was six, seven years ago. It was one of their forums. But if you look at it from the lens of these medical, like a business, patients to them are customers in a sense, right? Of course. So if you look at bottom line of every corporation, they're always assessing ways to keep people on the hook, to keep people buying products, keep people using things. So that is the inherent problem in the medical system. It's you become a customer instead of being treated to be healed. Do you want to know one of the biggest challenges? It was 2016, the World Health Organization. Do you guys want to know one of the biggest challenges that they're trying to overcome in the medical industry with psychotherapy and their use of psychedelics? Do you know what one of the biggest challenges is? This is great. So I've obviously been diving very deep in this. I went through around academy therapy. It's extremely expensive. But the data shows for many people, look it up. By the way, you can look yourself on treatment resistant depression, PTSD, high level. By the way, treatment resistant depression is literally the kind of depression that there's nothing helps, right? PTSD, even complex PTSD, which is very hard to treat. They're showing that people will do a round of therapy with things like ketamine, psilocybin, MDMA, I think is the other one. And they'll be cured. So you'll do it once, let's say two months of therapy, three months. And then you're done. Yeah. And then you're, and they'll come test them three years later and they're 10 times better. And the challenge in the format industry is... They can't patent anything. There's nothing they can make money off of. First of all, ketamine, to give you an example, that's the one I did. Compound pharmacy can make it. So you can't patent it. Number one. Number two, let's say it was patented. And you bought, you know, let's say six doses and then you're done. Traditional antidepressants are forever. In fact, going off of them, here's what's really crazy. Here is what's really crazy. Some of the most profitable medications are the ones that are hardest to come off of. And they tell you this, please do not go off your enziolytic cold turkey. Do not go off your antidepressants. Yeah, there's so many downstream effects if you go off. You could die in some cases. So, now, again, I don't think there's evil people in control. It's money. Yeah, the profits. Yeah, money. And look, the gym, by the way, I'll attack our own industry. So many times I have to bring this up. It's a beautiful example. The gym industries like this, they have gotten to the point where they charge memberships that are cheap, so cheap that they know you won't cancel, but they also know you won't show up. That's the model. So even the gym industry whose job technically is to get you to work out and be in shape, actually the incentive is for you not to work out and not get in shape. So this is what I mean by these markets. So that's why I'm saying this is a war. And I'd be firing guns at each other, but it's a war for your mind. I mean, the truth is it's unfortunate, but it's in our animal nature to conquer, control, get the top of the hill. And what we see today is just people that are playing by today's rules. It's the same. It's not, you know, this isn't a thousand years ago where you would just go over rape, pillage, dominate, and then enslave. You can't do that, right? So how can you, but you, yet you still have that, that desire internally to do that, whether you think you do or you don't. And so you do it through the chains and the means that we have today. That's it. I mean, you're just playing by the rules. It still reminds me of, I don't know, I get this visual immediately and it's not just because this lady's overweight. So calm down, but it's with an elephant that they tie up, right? Oh yeah. And they pretend like it's tied to something. They can give them so much leadway. And so their whole life, you know, they think that they're restricted. That's a circus elephant. Yes. That's true. When they're babies, they'll tie them up real hard with like hard to break ropes and chains. And then when they get older, they're just, they, They use a tiny little rope that an elephant can easily break, but the elephant's been so conditioned. Do you guys know that? That's what I feel like your average person is though. You know, we're just getting inundated with this propaganda and all of these means to help. And you might feel some temporary relief, but now you're just, you're literally stuck in this trap. So it's also in our nature though to rebel. And so there is this hope like, and I know I was teasing you about how you. You have to be aware that there's something going on. Well, that's right. So the first part is the, so before the rebellion is a great awakening. Yeah. Right. Before the rebellion is the ever people finally, and I feel like it's getting that way. You know, I feel it does. You know, some pushback happening. Yeah. I feel like, you know, the, and I really think that, that COVID kind of pushed a lot more people in that way because I think a lot of people feel they've been duped, you know? Oh yeah. And, and so I think that we're, before the rebellion is going to happen, we have to have the great awakening for, we have to have everybody go, okay, like this is some, this is some. You need to change. This is messed up. Yeah. This is some bullshit. And then comes the rebellion. Did you know a long time ago, I want to say it was the English that did this to China. There was like a trade situation. And the English flooded China with opium. And cause they traded with them, flooded them with opium, even though they, they limited it or made it illegal in, in the, in England, knowing that they would become dependent. And it got to the point with the emperor. Look at fentanyl. Yes. I know. So it got to the point where the Chinese emperor had to ban it. Is that off air when we were talking about that? It was off air when we were talking about the fentanyl desk and I thought how crazy that is. It's insane that people aren't addressing this. It is crazy. It is crazy. It's crazy that in one year's time there, there was as many fentanyl desks as there was in World War II. Yeah. And yet we don't make a, let that's crazy. It's not getting. I mean, that's in our history books. Every kid is taught about it. So fentanyl is an opioid, right? But why is it different than, is it just so much stronger? It's way stronger. Is that the deal? Yeah. And okay. Isn't it what happened recently where this lady got arrested and because her kids got into it and died? No way. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's so powerful of a chemical that, yeah, it takes just a very tiny amount to really affect you. And then so you can like overdose like really easy. Yeah. God. Yeah. I mean, this is an old strategy. It's not as obvious right now to a lot of people, but you know, you go to like other countries like these banana republics. They'll have elections and you'll have choices, but they're the choices they want you to pick from. Yeah. You know what I mean? If, if mind pump owned, like if we owned all, like all fitness and we said, oh, you have, you have tons of choices. You can get any maps program you want. Yeah. You know, you can't do anything else. Yeah. 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If you're interested, interested, go to mapsjanuary.com or just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. Hey, since Doug's not in here, we can stay in this lane without him getting all pissed off. But what do you think the Vivec? Step down, step down. Smart. I mean, smart. I'm a little bit torn though. I mean, I was like pumped for him. But he was going to divide the boats, right? Yeah. I mean, it was inevitable that, that Trump has too much of a strong base that he inevitably is not going to win and all he was really going to do, his bowing out speech was great. I mean, I really felt like he did it the right way. You know what he's doing, right? I mean, it's very clear. He's, by the way. You think he set himself up for VP? You think that's what he's doing? No, he set himself up for 20-28. 100%. Okay. Because Trump has such a like crazy following. I don't know if it's enough to have him win. Definitely enough to win the primary. Yeah. No one's going to touch him. But when Trump, if, let's say, hypothetically Trump wins second term, he can't run again, right? That's in the Constitution. Right, right, right. Vivek will be the guy that those followers will go to. Because Vivek treated Trump well, said nice things about him. So explain to me why wouldn't Vivek be as VP and why would not Trump pick him as VP? If they were that close-neck and neck, people like... He could, yeah. I know why, but I mean, to me, that's like the off, that's even more. You think that him waiting for next year's going to set him up, him being the VP would set him up even more. Sure, it would. So like, why would that, why? And I know he said that early on that he didn't, he's like, no, I'm running, I'm not going to be, he said that he wouldn't be his VP. Do you know there's speculation that Trump may make Tucker Carlson his VP? That would be crazy. I mean, we're just one more step closer to what I always said of like just characters, TV characters. It's just one more step. I mean, I'm waiting for the rock to put his name in the hat. Well, he's already been considered, right? Like he was, I think he's actually had an interview where he was like talking about like seriously getting into politics and like, oh, great. Here we go. I mean, that's when you know there's something wrong with the way we do things that where it's, it's always been kind of a popularity contest, but it's getting so bad now that it's like, it's truly just going to be people. Celebrities. Yeah, celebrities. Like would you, would you really want a celebrity running? No, the pedigree has gone way down. Oh, I mean, like in terms of aspiring to be right, it used to be like war, it used to be like war generals and things like that. Exactly. You actually had to do something. You know, like you had to be like, I mean, granted, like there, well, I played it in a business acumen and whatever. That's going to be the argument. I played it in a movie. Yeah, exactly. I think they said that about Reagan though too. Yeah, because he's an actor. Yeah. I mean, that's true. Reagan, I mean, he's widely considered one of the best modern present presidents and he was an actor. Yeah. But I don't know if I trust any other actor to, I mean, let's be honest. What are politicians anyway? I always trust actors. Politicians are actors. They're just ugly actors. That's what they say. What do they say? Someone becomes a politician because it's too ugly to become. Is that what, is that what they say? Oh, that's funny. It's the same thing, dude. It's the same thing. I can see that. You can just see the actor up there, you know, crying when something sad happens. Like, he's so authentic. Yeah. He won two Academy Awards before. So, okay, what are, so now that he's bowed out, like what are the, what are the steps? What do we see now between now and November time? What will happen? Well, they'll run a primary and then whoever wins that, then is the nominee for the Republicans. Biden automatically gets it unless they find a way to boot him. So is it, is it, it's almost for certain now that we're going to see Trump versus Biden again? So it appears to be. I don't understand how Biden can run though. He's very clearly. He's not healthy. No, no, it doesn't look good at all. And even people who are supporters are like, all right, come on, let's get someone else. He's not doing so well. Yeah. You know, do you hear the, like there's insider reports that he's like, he wanders around the White House and you got to medicate him heavily before he does a speech. Well, I mean, it's clear and obvious to everybody. Is that like the president's doing anything? They sit down and get a report. You're going to say this, do that, do this. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What if I don't want to? You ever learned about Kennedy? Well, the Nikki Haley thing is interesting to me because Vivek was, do you hear how he was like kind of portraying her as potentially somebody? Because she's so like pro-war. Who, Nikki Haley? Yeah. And funded by big companies that, you know, that she's getting propped up. And maybe it's like a switching of the hand over here from, you know, the Biden administration over to her. Of course. That's the game. Right. That's the game. That's the game, like going into the next election. I remember, as a kid, I remember, you know, starting to pay attention a little bit. And it was right around when Bush, you know, second Bush, W, when he was president. And then I got, I was very anti like war. Okay. And I still am very anti-war. But I remember seeing what he was doing. September 11th happened. And then they were going to pass those bills, the Patriot Act and NDA. And I actually, for the first time in my life, read them and had a friend who was a lawyer and explained them to me. And they said, they're going to do what? They're going to pass this bill. They can go through all my emails without me knowing. They could literally survey me. They could throw me in jail with no judge, trial or jury. And they can keep me there forever and never tell my family. That's under the Patriot Act. It's like way at the bottom and like tiny, tiny. All of that. And I remember seeing all that. And then I saw them and then make a case to go to war in Iraq. I'm like, wait, wait, Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th. What's going on? So I was like, yeah, then Obama, Obama's congressman comes out, right? And it's like very eloquent. And he's like anti-war repeal the Patriot Act. I will not sign NDA. And I'm like, I like this guy. Yeah. And then he got elected and did all of that. And then some drone strikes and, you know, yeah, way, way worse. All kinds of way worse. And I was, and I remember I was like so disheartened. I was like, yeah, what is going on? My client, but, you know, who's I trained for a while, Martin, he goes, Sal, look at the voting records and their actions. And he go back and start looking. And I started doing that. I was like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. It doesn't even matter. Oh, shit. It doesn't matter. The military dust root complex can do what they do. I remember him apologizing to me like, I'm sorry. It's like, it's fine about Santa Claus. Oh, so stressed out too. It is a lot like that. What can we do about that? It's like, well, nothing actually. Santa Claus isn't real. I know. It was terrible. Speaking of cool stuff that's happening. We are in the process of the potty training of. Oh, start that right now. Yes. Okay. I have to give. Are you not doing the three day strategy? No. So I have to give my wife tremendous credit here. So she's super intuitive with kids and like extremely intuitive and a lot of stuff she does. Initially, I was raised very old school. And so it doesn't seem intuitive to me. And I'm like, just what's, why don't you just do it? And she's like, listen, you know, the reason why kids get potty trained so early is typically because they go to school. Yeah, school forces them. Yeah. And so and they, and it's like, you have the four some and it's like this fight. And it's like, it's not really a good experience for your kid. No. She's like, your kid will let you know when they're ready. And I'm like, well, what if he's like five? She's like, it's unlikely. She goes, but you know, and she talks about like, if he has a mistake, you make it no big deal when he does go to the potty, you don't make it a big deal either. So you're taught to like celebrate like, yeah, you went to the bat and she's like, no, we don't want to do that because we don't want him to be a people pleaser as he grows up. We don't want him to think he has to make everything do everything because you want him to do it for himself to have a deal. So anyway, started the process and she was so on point. It's literally day one, potty trained day one potty trained. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Oh, I have to use bathroom goes in there does himself. He's had. Now you think it's a little early for you to be talking like this? No, we're now day four. Oh, okay. I was like, we're now on day one broke. Hang tight for a second, dog. Now might be a gift for you in here. No, no, no, day four, like he's good. Now he's, he had a couple accidents because he would be playing and you know, obviously in his, he's used to just playing and then if he has to pee, just pee. So he can't think about it. Yeah. So there's been a couple and he'll tell, oh, and he'll say something like that. Oh, it's no big deal, buddy. You're just getting used to it. But other than that, he's like, and then when he has to go poo, it's so funny. He'll, he'll say, you know, but I have to go to the bathroom. So I'll sit him down and then he looks at me and he goes, do you mind if I have some privacy? I got close. I got to do a privacy down the bathroom. I subscribed to the three day method. That was one of the most amazing things I'd ever seen. The one thing that I do remember going through it though was, I mean, God bless Katrina. I mean, it was. It's intense, right? Oh, it's three days. You don't leave aside. You literally have to like, she scheduled it out. Hands on deck. No work. No nothing. She even took, you know, she put his, where is like his little fold out plastic table that he plays on all time, moved it over on the tile, set up all day long games like by the hour, like he's going to play this and he's going to do this. And he's like, and then they tell you like the, in the book, it's like every, every 15 minutes. You just kind of remind them and ask them. And so. They're just so used to going. Yeah. Yeah. So it was like, it was literally just doing that with him for three, but then after that, nothing ever again. That's great. Literally from nothing to that. How was it at night though? Any, any accidents at night? Max's never had an accident. Wow. I was telling Katrina that not that long ago. I was like, you know, it's so weird like he didn't even have one accident in his bed in his entire life. Now again, granted. I, and now I'll obviously look at reflecting back to my childhood or my siblings, all of us that probably had accidents and stuff growing up. And then I see what happened with us is one of the things that Katrina has always done is the last thing that Max does before he goes to bed is she walked, he goes pee. Right. Like we make him go to the bathroom right before he goes to bed and he's because of that, I feel like he's never not done it. Yeah. And now I think back, I'm like, oh, I wonder how many times it was my friend who made, who had a kid who peed the bed or did something like that was they slipped up as a parent. They forgot to make him go, he went to pee. He went to pee at four and he hadn't gone to pee yet. And then they go to bed. I'm like, I wonder how many times that has happened versus, you know, them actually wetting the bed. It is so cute, though, to see them not in a diaper, right? They're not in a diaper. They're like, you know, a big old diaper butt that walk around. All of a sudden, he just looks like a big, like a big kid. He's walking around and doesn't have a big diaper butt. I mean, I think that's what would have motivated me to do it sooner is for you guys is just simply just getting tired of diapers. I mean, for as a parent. Oh, totally. Yeah. Of like having to change a diaper versus like, I mean, you forget those three days were a lot. But then once that was over, it was like, oh, finally, you don't have to worry about. Don't miss those days. But day one was funny because he didn't want to wear underwear. So he just walked around naked around the house with a shirt on though. He had to have a shirt on. It's just the funniest thing. Winnie the Pooh? Winnie the Pooh look? Yeah. It's my look. Katrina always gives me shit for that. I do that all the time. And then I always let him. Oh, you do that to yourself? I do it. I do it. It's so cute. I'm so always coming announced to your house. Yeah. Dude, I do that. I'm never just gonna walk you. Is this like in your room at night or like around the house? I mean, it's my house. I walk around my house like that. Yeah. No, it's the shirt. I get it. This is hilarious. No, the shirt is not long. I do that on vacation. It's very Winnie the Pooh. But I mean, is it a short shirt? Or is it just long enough to wear like you see the bottom of it? I mean, I don't even, I don't waste my time like figuring out which one. But you're wearing this shirt. Yeah. They're breathing. You know what I'm saying? They're out. They're out doing their thing. And I don't mind him doing it all time too. You know what's funny? This is, you know, the difference between men and women. A woman walking around with just a shirt on would be the hot. Oh yeah. I asked for it all the time. I think that's why, subconsciously, why I do it is I'm hoping she's going to do it. I think that's subconsciously I'm like, hey, let's pick up this trend. You know what I'm saying? We're just going to go over in the corner just like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you're like in the figure. Just a bunch. You see what I'm working with. A little bottom sack. Yeah. When a dude does it, that has to be the least attract like if you want to get a woman to be like, oh, walk around with just a shirt on, throw some socks on top of that. You're not getting any. Yeah. Now my wife walk around with my wife walked around with a shirt on and just socks on. Yeah. You just added a level now. I love that. That needs to come back. Yeah. What do you mean? Did it go out of style? I think it did. The long socks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, I have, I have something since you bring it, bring it up the kids and fatherhood and all that stuff like that right now. I had something that was on my mind. Last night, actually Katrina and I were up late talking about this because it just, it hit me last night when I was laying laying in bed with him, putting him down. And I was just self-reflecting like what's my, what is my greatest fear right now as a father? Right? What am I, what am I challenged with the most or what do I wrestle with right now? When I thought about it, I'm like, you know, Your son doesn't like the Warriors. No, that's not, not that. I hate that team, dad. No, I, you know what I really wrestle with right now? It's really tough. You and everybody on this podcast has heard me say this many times. You guys know that like, you know, manufacturing adversity is like my thing, right? That I'm like, I want, I know what I went through. I know what it made me. And so, I'm going through that right now. And so what I'm really wrestling with is, of course, I said all that stuff and I didn't, you know, I didn't have to really think or have to apply it or really do it much because when he's one, two years old, like, you know, what am I going to do? Like push him down the stairs like to create that. Wow. There's not these opportunities right to do that. So here's What happened to your kid? A manufacturing adversity. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He lived. He was too soft. Oh, so. And then, so then I, so I'm, what I'm, what I'm having a really hard time with and I'm challenged with right now is he, I mean, he's four now, right? Four going on five years old and he is just the fucking sweetest boy I've ever seen in my life. Like he is just. What's wrong with that? Well, what, what, no, what my point is that I know that I want him to be tough as much as I love that he's this, this sweet, hard kid. Yeah. And, you know, it's, and it's not like you're technically either or, but if there's a spectrum of tough and hard and then super loving, my son is over here. It's a protective thing, right? You're looking at him and I went through that, a lot of that, especially my oldest, you know, cause he's, he's super like sweet, like thoughtful kid and like, you know, kids would pick on him and stuff. Right. So I've been, I've been reading this book by Dr. Nicole Lepera. I think her name is she's a holistic side college. I've quoted her before or whatever. First of all, adversity is going to happen no matter what. Doesn't matter how much money you have, doesn't matter whatever. But number two, toughness comes from emotional regulation, being, being secure and being able to regulate your own emotion. What we, what we often think of as tough is our, what we develop during trauma where we can disconnect from shit. And so we think, well, you know, that's tough. I can go through anything. It's really not really what it is. It's a, it's a adaptation to severe trauma, but truly emotionally secure people are very resilient. They're extremely resilient because they're emotionally secure. So that's, that's very, that feels, that feels very, that feels very good to hear that. Yeah. Because if that's true, then he does, he is very tough too because he's emotionally regulated. That's one of the things I love about him is like, my son's never thrown a tantrum. Right. He doesn't scream. He doesn't like, think about it this way. So he's got that ability to, and even if he starts to escalate from what you would consider normal, Katrina and I have been able to quickly resolve it, but you don't do that. And like he just, he shuts, he stops. He doesn't, he doesn't keep escalating. He doesn't push it. So he definitely has incredible control of his emotions. He also feels very secure. Mom and Dad are always here. Mom and Dad always love me. Mom and Dad love each other. That's what, that breeds security. That's what you want because if you actually look at the data, like Adam, the way you, you know, you've been through some shit growing up. You've completely defied the odds. In other words, you were able to turn your shit into something that was pro-growth, but you're like one in a million maybe. Most people would be addicted to drugs, would be, you know, have, you know, three kids at a wedlock or something like that, maybe go to jail a couple of times. And, I mean, you scored a line a few times with certain things, but you came out of it. So it's the emotionals, it's the security that you're looking for. Yeah, I know. And I don't think that, I mean, obviously, I know I don't want anything near what I had in order to do that. But you have to, and I told him, Katrina was kind of taking the same position as you are. And I was like, I'm not, the fear isn't that, that he is going to be this total pussy or he's not going to have any sort of toughness to him. It's just that if, as a father, if I'm thinking, okay, you know, I, of course, I love that my son is incredibly loving and sweet and all those things like that. You just want to equip him. Yes. I just, what I don't want is it to be so far on this spectrum that he, he's really lacking on, or maybe like you said, oh, he's got it because he has emotional regulations. Well, okay, emotional regulations are, are great. And that's a, at least I've done a good job as a dad and as parents to at least give that. But I do want him to have. You want to be a growth winder? Yeah. So this, this is a little further down the line because, you know, I went through a bit of that with Ethan, but then with Everett, it's totally different like where we're at now is a similar challenge to that. So it's, it's mainly his perspective of what is hard. And this is, this is something that's, this challenging for me because it's like, it's a constant conversation of he, he wants to shut down when he goes through these different spurts of like a new skill for gymnastics or a new thing that he's presented with. He wants to just like lash out and let everybody know how like difficult it is. And so we're having constant conversations with him and trying to get that kind of emotional regulation established. But you know, at this point, I'm like, I'm looking at something and it's interesting because our friend, Jodicina actually has like a, a camp for kids. Yeah. That it's tough. Like it's, it's real hard. Like it's, it's something like, it's not, it's all like constructed in a way where obviously it's, it's well managed, like, you know, they're, is that the overnight one that he does with kids? It's like 12 days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen that. So I'm seriously considering it and it's mainly just because like everything he described in terms of, he just, he doesn't know what hard is. Yeah. Like he just, he isn't like, yes, it is hard to train for, for sports and it's hard to like go to school and be consistent and deal with these things. But I just think like if you're going to create a spectrum of what they know, your head is right where my head is. Stretch it like to this degree. So at least he knows like, wow, and I was able to overcome this. That's awesome. That's growth minded. So your head is exactly where mine is. That's exact same because Katrina said the same thing of like, you know, he has his own challenge. He explained like, you know, when he's at school and certain kids don't want to play with him, you know, some kids shut down and just go on this. Yeah. But Max will go over and go play something. We've taught him to like when people do things that you don't like, you don't come cry to mom and dad, you tell them, I don't like that. And so he's done like a lot of these things to show that. But then to your point, like, you know, his challenges or what he assumes is difficult is really not that difficult. And I want him to be able to see the whole spectrum. I want him to see like, no, this is, you want to see hard son. So this is, this is hard. I had a client whose kid, they were very successful well off and they probably babyed their kid a little too much, I would say, but their son was in high school and had developed a problem with weed. This was a while ago. So just smoking weed all the time, whatever. They sent him to one of those camps. Yeah. Okay. And so no electronics. You got to make your own fire, make your own food. Like he's not in jail, but like he had to learn certain skills. And then what they did with this kid, which I thought was, and he, by the way, he came back a different kid, came back a totally different kid. I asked him, I said, what was the most like, how was it for him? He was, oh man, it was so hard at first. I don't want to do anything or whatever. And he goes, but then I, then I started to kind of like it. And then I left. I was kind of sad that I left. So it was the part that you found that you enjoyed the most. And he goes, they put me in charge of, I don't remember how many other kids, five other kids, they put him in a leadership role, which he had no business, but all of a sudden he felt responsible for these other kids. And that was part of the strategy, was for him to see, this is why, like when you see a kid get a job, it's why it's so important for a kid to get a job. You ever see what happens to a kid when they finally will get a job? Yeah. They start to become totally different. The whole, this went off to college. He's working, he's doing a freelance shit, but the fact that he's living on his own, taking care of himself, he's come back and a lot of things have changed in a very short period of time because he's kind of got that responsibility. Yeah. So I think that's kind of, you know, the strategy or volunteer workers, people always tell me. And I know that I'm like, I know that I'm obviously early, right? Like I said, I knew there was no, there's going to be real situations when he's one, two years old, that's going to happen. And so, but I just, I give into things that I really like and I'm challenging myself. Like, is that me who I'm selfishly, I'm allowing him to do that or giving in because I like it? Or is it in my, or is it okay because it's something that's good? And like an example that why this whole thing, I went down this rabbit hole was I went to put him down in bed and the way he sat up and asked me to lay with him for just two minutes, you know? I could have went and the, I was actually getting ready to watch move with Katrina. So I was going to just go in, kiss him good night, say good night and go walk out, which is a lot of times what I'll do. And you know, he sits up and he's just like, Daddy, will you lay with me for two minutes? And I'm like, oh dude, just yes. 100% I will, you know? And especially to, I think about this week, we've come home late this week because we've been doing the launch and everything like that. And so I've been deprived a little bit of that time with him. And so the way he approaches it so many times is like, how do I say no to that? Or do I even want to say no to that? If it gets excessive. So Jessica gets caught. I put the kids to bed or put our son to sleep because he pushes that with his mom. Like he keeps pushing it. So what she did, I thought this was great, right? Where I go in, I'm putting him down. I want mama. Please get mama. I want mama to come in. So she'll come in. She'll sit down. I love you. I like you. But mom has to have time to herself and mom and dad have to go out and spend time with each other. It's important that we spend time with each other without the kids around us. And so she explains that to him. And I think that's really good versus the like, no, it's enough. Go to bed type of deal. It's like we need to have time for each other as well. And we did and he let us. He let us do it. But that is hard because there will be a day where he will not want you to sleep in his bed. I have to bring up something alarming you guys. Oh no. Okay. So I don't know if you know, but there's like people who experiment on their own, like out of their own house, like they're running their own little laboratory experiments and things. That's how a lot of that crisper stuff is going on. Yes. So that was what I thought of immediately when I saw this video, but I was like, Oh my God. These are where people are implanting electronics and doing weird shit to themselves. So those people are weird too. No, this one was like, this guy was literally creating like chimera, like new species. So he spliced together his pet spider with caterpillars. And so he literally created a new species, which was like the spider pillar. And it was so freaky looking and just wrong. Is this real? Yes. Yes. I'll show you guys a video. And it's so just weird looking and it just looks like I'm like, it's abnormal. Like it's not supposed to survive. Right. And he goes on and he's like, Oh yeah. And I go ahead and release them into the wild. No. And I was just like, What? Like what is happening? That's not just on the basic level. It could, it could, you know, occupy space for another species or. Yeah. Like you have no idea what, what that's going to do to the environment. Like you have the ecosystem. Like, are they going to make weird webs and like, you know, it was like, it was just too creepy to like go down that road. See what this looks like. Is that it? Oh yeah. Wait, what is that? Yeah. So I have a, I have a natural video. Oh. Oh yeah. There it is. Yep. That's it. What? Isn't that freaky? Yeah, bro. And then it's like eating things and. He's got to go to jail. He needs to go to jail. This is not acceptable. By the way, you know, we've done that. So not, not Camara weird. That's disgusting. Not Camara weird stuff, but like, do you know how many times we brought animals into like, not their native habitats and ruin the ecosystem? Yeah. Do you guys know that? Japanese, what fish was that? Carp or something like that. Carp. Yeah, I went into the swamps and just like took over. Well, you know in Hawaii, there's chickens and pigs. Yeah. Everywhere. Yeah. They have no natural predators. There's no predator. So they put pigs in. So I think the law in Hawaii is you could kill two a day or something like that. They encourage you. Please, please kill some of these pigs because they're everywhere. Wow. And there's chickens just roaming around the street and there's no natural predators. They were brought over there. Yeah. Is it, is it true that there's no poisonous animals on the islands of, on the islands of Hawaii? I think that's true. I think that's true. That is true. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. And I didn't even think that there's no predators to kill chickens. No. Yeah. So the chickens are just. Of course. You know, of course when I think about it, I never had thought about that. That's why they're just killing it. Yeah. They're just everywhere. Yeah. I mean, they're in paradise. They love where they're on. Yeah. But I, you know how I knew that I was reading this article about, and it said that Hawaii is one of the best places to be homeless. Yeah. Because they don't have laws. And they don't have laws against you sleeping on the beach. No. And yeah. And you could kill a pig if you want and eat it. Bro, my brother. You could kill the chickens. Bro, my brother went and did that. My brother was homeless there for like two years. Wow. Two years? Yes. Living out of his van. I don't know. Is that long? Yeah. Oh, no. He made money here and there, right? Yeah. He did. So he eventually ended up working for one of those, you know, those, what's that? God, there's such an amazing dish on the island, on the, on the north side. And you see them all the time. What is it? It's like spicy shrimp and rice. And I forget what it, what it is. I was thinking of the local mocha. That's the only thing. No, I like the local mocha too. But it's anyways, it's the, if you drive them the island, you see like 30 of these vans, like they're all, and they all serve this, this dish and their own little twist and spin on it. It's like garlic and spicy and shrimp and rice. And so he was doing that. Yeah. Yeah. So he ended up getting a job. Now, why did he leave if it was so great? Well, I don't think it was so great. I think, I think he was a young 20 year old guy who thought it would be so great. And then, you know, did it for a couple of years. And then, you know, realize that it's not cheap to live there. I mean, there's, it's cheap to be, because of the homeless, but to actually go from homeless to like having a place and paying for, Well, that's different. Well, that's just it. It's like, Yeah. He was on, what should we call it? The big one. Oh, who? Yes. Oh, wow. So you, the idea is that I think you were what I think. I mean, I can't, I don't know exactly what he was thinking, but I would assume, you know, this is awesome. I can go there, start with nothing because they are so okay with you camping out on beaches, stuff like that. No one's going to harass me about doing that. And then I could make a life for myself. But I think what ended up happening is that I think he realized the leap to make a life for yourself from nothing like, like that is extremely difficult, you know, to go from living in your car, working out at one of those little vans for, I don't know what he was getting paid wage wise, probably next to nothing is not enough to get you to get your first little apartment. Was he with the girl or was he by himself? He was originally. And that's also probably what brought him back was the two of them ended up breaking up because they went out there together. He had no ambition. Yeah. I mean, probably. He's done this a couple of times. Like my brother did that and he went out to Colorado. He's been in Hawaii. Where else did he go? And did the same thing? Yeah, yeah. But I have two brothers that kind of lived this like vagabond lifestyle where they just kind of moved around and took jobs at like, my other brother worked these seasonal jobs. There was a point where I was a little envious when I was 25, that's, I was, that was four years I had owned my house and, you know, I'm 20, 25 years old and I have, I got a mortgage and, you know, I'm working 60 hours plus a week and, you know, and here's my brother who's a little bit younger than me who's like in the wintertime, he lives in Lake Tahoe and he's a ski lift operator and they snowboard on all their days off. And the wintertime, he's a river raft guide which they provide. Dude, how funny. We literally started this episode by saying that, you know, we're slaves of the system. Maybe he figured that shit out. So he's very, he's very, he's very, he, that's actually part of that. Right. If you talk to him, he would tell you part of that. I don't want to be part. I mean, to the point where for the longest time, he wouldn't get a driver's license. So I don't want the government to know where I'm at, you know, like, if the shit hits the fan, we might have to call your brother. You know what I mean? He's got a bunker somewhere. Bro, you were right. I mean, now, now he's doing really well. Right. Now he lives over in South Lake Tahoe. He's got a good job for himself. He's actually been promoted twice since then and he's making a cool little life for himself. But I mean, I watched him do that all through his 20s where he was just kind of bouncing around to places like that. And it was just kind of the attitude of like, I don't, I don't. I would, I would love, I'm going to live in Hawaii one day. I swear to God. Yeah. That's my favorite place. I couldn't do it. At least, at least like a good four or five months. I just love the island weather, man. I mean, I love, I love places like that. But I mean, it's just, it's, I love it because I get to visit it. You don't like this is landlocked? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't do a full year. And listen, I think, I think we live in the worst state in the United States, but I stay here because of how amazing the state actually is. Not the people, not the politics, not the pricing, none of that, but the state itself, the weather and then the, how close we are to anything. Yeah, you're right. Is there's nowhere else in the, I mean, as far as I know. It's so frustrating about it. Yeah. I mean, like. Everything we'd want. You, there's not a lot of places. There, you know that I took a picture one time when this was just a couple years ago. This is back when I was living over in Monterey and I was right on the coast, right? And I was, went to our, our truckie house where I played in the snow with Max, you know, up there. And then I was laying on the beach 24 hours later at my house, you know, which is only a few hour drive in between. It's just like, where else in the world can you do that where you could be playing in the snow one minute and then literally the same day I could be laying out on the beach and it's a beautiful day. It's just wild that we have that. And there's just, and a close proximity to it. It's not like I had to drive nine hours to go find that it was four hour drive. It's crazy. I don't know if I told you guys, but I was thinking of going back to Iceland, you know, over and when it's like not freezing like 30 below. Yeah. But we just saw recently that not, not only did they have a volcano eruption, you know, that was pretty big. That was volcano tourists. Have you seen that? Yeah. So yeah, there's, there's a lot of people that are observing it and take pictures, videos and all that stuff. But there was actually one like, I don't know if it's near Reykjavik, but near one of the big cities that just like opened up as well. So there's a whole nother like volcano that just emerged. And so I was like, OK, I think we're not going to, like, like risk, you know, it's just not worth it right now. Maybe it'll still be there. You know, it'll still be there to visit. Is that on your Bingo card too? Oh yeah. There's so much going on in the world. I'm like, I don't want to like add like a little more chaos. When I was a kid, I thought Lava was the hottest thing in the universe. You know what I mean? I thought like Lava was hotter than anything. You know? So when we were kids, we were like, I'm going to shoot you with fire. I'm going to shoot you with lava. Logically, like basically anything could melt. Right? So I'd assume. You ever watched those videos of lava where they put random things in lava to see what happens? Here's a can of Pepsi. Here's a toy car. Yeah. They're not as exciting as they think. It's not that slow. It just goes over it. Kind of lame. There's no tips in there. Yeah. There's nothing that cool about it. It's not that. It's not that great. Anyway, so I want to bring up an article that I just read the other day on insulin resistance and its connection to blood viscosity. So you guys know what viscosity means? No. Thickness. How easily a fluid flows through the body. So poor blood flip viscosity, not a good thing, right? That means that your blood is not running through smoothly. But there's a very strong connection to, you know, people who have issues with blood glucose and insulin resistance and that. Exactly. What's weird is, and there's all these people now, and I'd say the wellness space, but now you're starting to see doctors and scientists start to talk about how our resistance to insulin, right? The development of insulin resistance is one of the root cores of all these chronic health issues, including heart disease and how it weakens the arteries. The reason why arteries get clogged is because your body essentially is trying to fortify the walls of the arteries with these plaques, and then if they build up enough, then they get blocked off type of deal. So I know I'm going to sound like a big commercial. One of the best ways to improve insulin sensitivity, build muscle. This is Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, you know, so she talks about all the time. It's how we're just under muscled, and that's the main cause of all these particular issues. I love that message. I love that message, and I love that coming from a woman going out there and making that message. I think that's one of the things that's going to, I mean, she's blown up already, but she's continuing to grow. Hearing someone say that from her perspective, a doctor and a female is so much more powerful than the three of us knuckleheads that have been saying it. I have an aunt right now that I'm having this discussion with because she's a registered dietician, okay? And she's getting, she's starting to have blood sugar issues, and she's like, I don't get it. I'm not overweight. I just started doing yoga, and I'm telling her, like, Zia, you've got to lift weights. Oh, yoga, though, gets me stronger. I'm like, no, no, no. You have to build muscle. And then I said, listen, look up how many people have diabetes or get heart disease who are not obese. It's like 30%, it's like it's a sizable minority. So I said it's not as cut and dry as just being overweight. I said, you need to build muscle. So she's finally going to hire herself a personal trainer. And I said, and tell them you want traditional strength training, not the kind where you're going all over the place. I'm like, you literally start training like a bodybuilder. Watch what happens to your blood sugar levels. Watch what happens. So, you know, fingers crossed. She follows through and we'll see what happens. Speaking of trainers, how fun has it been talking to the coaches and trainers? This is obviously, this episode's airing past when we're done with the whole thing. If I'm not mistaken, right, Doug? You know, it's live. With the live broadcast, yes, we're done. But the course that we have is out there. But we did a live broadcast to trainers and coaches. And so far the reception's been amazing. 10,000 people sign up for it, which is crazy. It's been so fun talking to those trainers. I mean, it brings me back to the gym days. Oh, yeah, it gives you that same feel. I'm also super motivated to create a product that is consistently evolving, right? One of the things that what I love about all you guys is that we're so committed. We want to win. We want to be the best. We want to do it so bad that that's our commitment to all of the trainers that have registered already and that have already started the course is that you get in and you start with us now and you're forever grandfathered into that portal. We're just going to keep adding stuff. We're going to keep building it. And like we did. Of course, we spent the last year and a half building this out and brainstorming. We had groups of trainers go through it and tell us things like, OK, are we? We think that we covered all our bases. We know that the inevitable happened. People like, oh, man, I wish you talked to some about this or I wish you would did something for this. And like, that's our goal. Our goal is, OK, we put out what we think is the best thing that we can put out. We know the inevitable is going to happen where people will give us feedback saying they want more of this or wish it had this. And then our goal is to go back and to bolster it and make it that much better. If you're a trainer or you want to be a trainer, that's what it is. It's a course that teaches you how to build your business and be a damn good trainer. It's what we used to teach our trainers. Yeah. And it's not what everybody, and again, this is the motivation behind us, right, is to kind of disrupt the space because there's a massive amount of money that's flooding into the marketing side for training. There are all these pitches of make this much money in 30 days. It reminds us of the weight loss in the, like, you know, take this pill or do this in 30 days and you're seeing the same thing, ironically, right, mirrored on the targeting the coaches and trainers of these quick Instagram hack or do this for funnels. And it's like, no, if you're going to be a really successful, this is going to be for your life. This is going to be your career. And if you're going to be successful, and you want to be really good at it, it's not going to happen in 30 days. Just like getting someone to lose weight, be healthy for rest of your life is not going to happen in 30 days. And even if it did happen, it's not the way you want it to happen because it's not going to be sustainable for rest of your life. The same thing goes with building a sustainable business in this career, in this industry. If you want to build a career, I'm not going to give you a hack on how to make $10,000 in the next 30 days. What I'm going to do is give you the tools and the resources to be great and to chase mastery in this in this craft. And that is the... And you know what? It's probably not going to sell as much as somebody who's guaranteeing a certain amount of dollars and a certain amount of days. But what we know, just like when we started this podcast and we put out what we put out, like in the long run, it will survive. It will be better. It will do well. I'm hoping that eventually it gets big enough to where the consumers... It will last. The consumers are going to know the difference. Are you a mind pump trainer or not? Yeah. And then that's going to be their determining factor. It's mindpumptrainer.com I got to say, I have been, you know, I'm on this this journey of reducing and then eliminating things that I used to distract myself from myself. This includes social media. This includes substances and caffeine is coming up on the horizon. I'm terrified because I have such a... I have just this relationship with caffeine where I love it. So I'm reducing it significantly and the Organified Red Juice is saving my ass. Saving my ass. The withdrawal is mild. It is not the same withdrawal that I would get before where I was like, oh my God, if I do this, I'm not going to be able to work for a week. It doesn't feel like that at all. That Red Juice is... I don't remember you brought it up. I tried a little bit. It's my favorite way to do headaches. No, dude. Now I'm doing two things. I'm bumping my sodium for that, but I'm not headache prone like you are. So bump my sodium. And then I'm going... If I want... For every... Every time you want to take the Red Juice. Yes. For every 200mg of caffeine, I'm going with a packet of Red Juice. And it's remarkable how much it reduces the withdrawal. I don't feel... Otherwise what happens, they crash and I feel worthless. That's not happening with that. So good stuff. It's funny that they don't... I don't know. I don't know why... If I'm... We should talk to Drew because we have a relationship with him. We have a smart way to market that product. Although... Like get off caffeine. Yeah, but maybe that's because that message isn't popular enough, right? Maybe there's not a message around like, hey, you should probably cycle off caffeine or reduce consumption even if your plan is a never go fully off. Those two ties to productivity. Right? With people in their mind. Exactly. Yeah. But I mean, something that we've been promoting on here for a long time that, you know, be aware of how much you've scaled that up to. It's probably in your best interest to reduce consumption. Even if it for the pair of minimums is to save money and to enjoy the effects of it. Because even if you're like, I don't care if I take caffeine. Dude, when you go off and then you take a little bit, get some med. You know who's... I want to get into Doug's level. I was hanging out with Doug Saturday. He says if he has like 30 milligrams, right? Yeah, even less. I can tell. Wow. That's it. Like green tea will give you a kick. Yeah, I'll get a little buzz. That's Katrina. But it depends on the source of caffeine too. I think green tea less so than coffee. Yeah. For example, if I were to drink like rockstar and just have like a couple of sips, I'd start to feel it. Wow. Yeah. See, I'm at the point now where now I'm okay with 200 milligrams. But just a week ago, I couldn't go less than 300 for a dose because otherwise I would feel like shit. So now I'm at 200 and then it's going to go down to 100 and then I go down to 50 and then down to zero is where I want to go. And then I want to be off. There was a time in my life where I had no caffeine. It's when I was hardcore in Jiu Jitsu. Oh, really? Yes. And the reason why I went off caffeine was because caffeine gets you amped, which is great for strength training. For me, it was not good for stamina. If I push stamina, the caffeine gives me makes me out of breath. So I went off caffeine and I remember I was off for years and I felt amazing. I remember thinking like, wow, I feel so good. I'll never do this again. Right? Of course, then you have a little bit and then it feels like this crazy drug. You feel amazing. Yeah. And now it's like, oh, gotta break those chains. Yeah, I don't know if I can, I can't tell you the last time that I had, you know, more than a couple of months off. I mean, I've done that a few times, but I can't remember having like a six month or a year period of like no caffeine. Be interesting. I don't like the fact that I feel dependent. Yes. Yeah. I hate that. Yeah. I agree. I don't want to be dependent. I mean, that's honestly, that's like I have nothing against like a lot of stuff like we, oh, I've openly talked about different drugs, things like that. Like I'm not, you don't like the feeling of, yeah, I got, I know that's what bothers me more than the others. It's not even the cocaine, oh, marijuana, oh, credum. Oh, it's like, I don't even think like that. I don't give a shit. I don't care if it's sugar. I don't care. It's like, I don't ever want to feel like that. That's what motivates me. It's like it owns you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. All right. So today's shout out actually talked about some of her work. 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You get into a private group in Facebook for just trainers and coaches for free. And you get a chance to get invited over here for a live training at Mind Pump Studios. Anyway, all that's happening. It's brand new. We're very excited. If you want to learn more, go to mindpumptrainer.com. All right. Back to the show. Our first caller is Sean from Washington. Sean, what's up, man? How can we help you? How's it going, guys? It's an honor to be here. Thank you. I appreciate you guys taking the time to go over the question I had. You got it. All right. And make sure you guys can actually hear me. I'm sitting out in my car, so hopefully my audio doesn't cut out on you. Okay, we got you. Yeah, you're good. Cool. So question I had, and I think I've kind of done digging on my own through your guys' past information that you've put out and just research on my own. But is there such thing as too much protein that I intake during my day? My reference kind of is where my targets are at. I'm supposed to be at about 2,600 calories for the bulk that I'm on, which is about 208 grams ish of protein is what I have set. And I'm usually in the realms of like 240 to 250 at the end of every day, which I don't have any issues as far as not affecting sleep, no digestion issues, no odd feelings whatsoever. Just wanted to know if like, is that too much to intake for myself? No, I mean, unless I mean, some people have digestive issues when they'll start to eat a lot of protein. But no, you're perfectly fine. Where are you getting this protein from? Pretty much all whole foods. I do have one shake a day. Usually this depends in the morning at night. And then if I have a meal in the middle of the day, just because I'm traveling back and forth, there's usually a protein bar. But that's, it's usually all animal fish, all high quality protein. So every day, you're hitting 240 grams, because that's a lot less impressive. I weigh, I weigh about 210. And I, it's hard for me to get 200 grams of protein a day. So that means you're eating like what 50, 50, 60 grams of protein, multiple meals a day. Yeah, usually I do one meal in the morning and then a larger, I call it my feast just because it looks enormous at the end of the day. But basically one meal in the morning, a middle meal in the day and then the big dinner at night. What is that macro, what does that protein breakdown look like on those meals? I haven't tracked individually, but majority of the protein will be at night. I'd probably say upwards of 60 to 70% will be at night. How do you know you're eating too much protein if you don't know what you're eating for breakfast? So this is interesting. So you're counting just total, but you, but you don't know what breakfast, lunch, and dinner is. I haven't tracked, I just don't have it in front of me to give you all the correct information. Okay, okay. But it sounds like you're eating like a pound to a pound and a half of meat for dinner. Yeah. Like you're having a big massive. If I weighed it, I'd probably say you're right. Okay. Now look, there's nothing wrong with it. Now you're probably not getting any additional benefit from going above 200 grams of protein, but you're not going to get any detriment. However. Okay. There may be some benefit from bringing up carbs and fats because those also provide some benefit. Yeah, there's better. The better question here is how do you feel your workouts are and how is, how is the bulk, how's the bulk? He already said his digestion is good. How's your, how's your progress? Are you, are you bulking like you want? Are you seeing the results that you want? I'm getting there as, as far as I can tell, the only issue is, I know usually during a bulk, it's the first one I've ever done. So usually you'll put on weight, which I have, but it's not a lot of weight. And I've only, I've been doing it since, I think I'd submitted the question in October, somewhere around there. And I've probably put on a pound or two since then. And it all seems to be in the correct areas. Cause my, no waste expansion of any sort, really that I can tell no major. Yeah. Other areas. So it seems like it's going the right way. Just go ahead. Sorry. No problem. So since October, you've been going on a bulk and since October, so now we're in January, you've gained about one to one and a half pounds. Give or take. Yeah. Okay. You could go way up in calories. Yeah. That's that's that's, now how's your strength gains in the gym? They are increasing, but again, it's at the same, it says slower progress. And I think it's supposed to be. Let's look at his workout. Well, there's a couple of things here too. Let's, and staying in the diet before we go over to the workout is if you, if you feel satisfied, you're enjoying your meals, you're feeling your strength go up even, and even though the scale is only moving up a pound and a half, and it's a slow process, but if all in all, you're, you're happy with everything. You're doing great and you're fine. You could probably accelerate the, the weight gain. If you wanted to buy, and that's where probably the recommendation of carbohydrates would come from. Like, and I know that wasn't part of the question, like everything that you've got, you've read shows that, you know, they're telling you should have more carbs for this bulk or whatever. And, and carbs are going to be less satiating than the protein. It'll be easier to eat. Yeah. It'll be easier to eat more calories. And so if you would, if you want to accelerate the bulk, you could, that would be the direction I'd push you in is more carbohydrates. If you're happy though, with the results and where you're going, then I actually, there's nothing wrong with what you're doing. You're at, you're at roughly 25, I did the math, so between 25 to 26 hundred calories, 32 years old, six foot two, you gained a pound in like three, four months. You need to be closer to like 32, 33 hundred calories in my opinion. So you're just not eating enough. What happens when your protein is high, but your calories aren't high enough, is that that extra protein is being turned into energy like carbohydrates. So there, you're taking that extra protein and you're getting enough protein, your calories are enough in the sense that you're not losing weight. But a lot of that protein is getting turned into energy. What would be better at this point, would you bump your, I would go up another six, 700 calories at least, and then take it from there. You should see, I don't want to say should, but I would be happy with in a, in a three month period, a nice five to seven pound gain on the scale. Oh, at least that if you bump him that high. Now let's talk about your, let's talk about your workout. What are you following in your, in your routine? I do a home gym workout. I've got bench press, everything there. And basically I do resistance and strengths three days a week. And then every other day is walking or yoga. That's, that's all I do. Are you following any of our programs? You know, I've since I found you guys, I can't keep contemplating getting it. It's just, I haven't been able to budget anything to get it yet, but it's on my radar to do. Okay. Well, we'll give you, we'll give you maps and a bulk. You need to follow a good program. A bulk is only going to work so much. You have to send the right stimulus. I don't know what your workout looks like, but I've obviously very confident in our, in the program maps and a ball. Follow the three day a week version. It's got to at home version. It's got, you have a, you have a barbell and a rack or just dumbbells. Yep. Yep. You follow the full program. Full on bar. Yeah. You'll follow the normal version three days a week. There's a three day or two day a week version. Do the three day a week version. Do the trigger sessions. Get your calories closer to 3,200 calories. And I would do that in both fats and carbs. Are you finding it tough to eat more? Are you like super, like are you like stuffed? Usually at the end of the day, if I hit that upper limit of that protein number, then yeah, usually I feel completely full, but it doesn't, again, it doesn't affect anything. And that was my other question. I was going to ask if I had a chance was, am I eating enough calories, which you guys already answered that one is no. Yeah. You're eating enough calories to, to be okay. But if your goal is to gain, you got to probably, it sounds like you also got a relatively fast metabolism. Although 2,500 calories, not that much for a man, your age and size. Yeah. I would go up to 3,200 calories at least. Gotcha. Yeah. You can add more rice, potato, fruit. You can make smoothies. If you can have dairy, I've said this a million times before on the show, if milk doesn't bother you and you digest it well, like you could go, it doesn't matter. It's just calories. You could go glass a whole milk with every meal and there's like 300 calories right there. Just the easy ways to have your calories. I mean, carbs are easy. So just add some snacks in there, dude. Enjoy yourself a little bit. That's what I would do. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, have some popcorn when you're watching Netflix at night. Are you eating lean? Are you eating really lean protein? Yeah. Usually it's leaner, leaner cuts of meat, chicken, fish. Well, that's the other thing. No, go with the fatty. Yeah. Go rib eye, rib eye, go chicken thighs. Yeah. That'll take care of it. Yeah. Fish, have salmon. I mean, yeah, go the, go the fattier route on the meats. That'll help. That'll take care of it. Gotcha. All right. And we'll send you maps in a ball. Awesome. Thank you guys. Yeah. Circle back. Let us know how you do it. You have to go through the program. Absolutely. We'll do. All right. I got it. I'm glad I asked that question. Yeah. Big common mistake people, especially guys for some reason, make when trying to bulk. Well, there's two mistakes. One is they go just garbage food all the time. Two is they bulk with lean meat. If you're eating chicken breast or tilapia and you're bulking, why? Yeah. Not only is it going to make everything far more difficult, but you're also eating disgusting cuts of meat that don't taste anything. It's good. Go with the fatty cuts. That alone will make a big difference. Yeah. I also want to point out too, though, like there's nothing wrong where you're at. Just like that. To me, it's like, well, what's your goal? Do you really want to put on some weight or are you just trying to get a little stronger? Because at the pace he's going, he could continually just slowly. He's not at a bad pace. Yeah. He's not at a bad pace. He looks healthy as shit. I mean, he's 32 years old. He's 62. He's 160. The guy's lean for sure. He's definitely lean, but he absolutely at that size could afford to be eating 3,500 plus calories. Oh, I mean, I would. I mean, I was going to say that, but I scaled it up. Yeah. No, you're right. Yeah. I know you're right. So it'll be interesting to see if he bumps that. What happens? Our next caller is Cole from Wisconsin. Cole, what's up, man? How can we help you? Not much, guys. How are you? Good. Good. Well, I appreciate you guys having me on and all that you do. I've actually been on before. And this time around, I'm just going to read off of my question directly because last time I was rambling a little bit. No problem. All right. So I've been dealing with some imbalances in my shoulders for a while, which kind of got confirmed when I was getting measured for a suit in the tailor told me that my right shoulder sits a little over an inch under my left shoulder. So my right shoulder is a little bit lower than my left. I can definitely see it when I'm doing any shoulder press movements, lateral raises, pull-ups, stuff like that, that numerous injuries in my right shoulder from back when I played football. So multiple shoulder separations, stingers, which I guess are more of like a neck shoulder type injury. I also broke my humerus up near my right shoulder. So I'm not sure if that plays a part in this. Never really addressed it. But now that I'm getting older, I just want to make sure that I'm taking care of it. So it doesn't just get worse. Currently having a lot of tightness in my traps, neck, upper back, resulting in me feeling the constant need to crack my neck. And then other times when I like pull my shoulders back, I can feel a lot of popping in my neck, chest, scapula area. So wondering if this is something I can fix myself or should I go see a chiropractor, physical therapist for it. And then as I'm working on this, how do I find the right balance between fixing the issue and then continuing to strength train. I've run map symmetry a few times and that hasn't actually fixed anything. I'm actually running symmetry again right now and based off of a similar question that you guys had asked a few months back. I have pretty dramatically reduced the weight I'm using and I've been focusing on my form and pulling my shoulder blades back for any pulling movements. So I do have an update. I actually did see a chiropractor that practices active release therapy and that was after I posted this question in your Facebook forum. So that was helpful. But after a few days, the same issues came back. He said that structurally everything seems fine but he said that I do have a lot of nerve tightness in my shoulder. I was just gonna say that. I also bought maps Prime and Prime Pro during the Black Friday sale but I haven't really dove into those quite yet. I wasn't really unsure how to incorporate them with strength training and I'm doing it and then I guess my ADHD is also so bad that when I start trying to look through them and read through everything I just get distracted and then I go back to doing what I always do which obviously hasn't helped. So any tips on how to use those programs with a program like Symmetry and then before you guys give me advice I wanna give a quick shout out to Margaret on your team. She was super helpful via the live chat on your website and answering all the questions that I had about Prime and Prime Pro. So that's what I've got. We love her. This sounds like a nerve issue. So you have now all muscle imbalances technically could be nerve related in the sense that your nervous system fires muscles. But if there's an impinge nerve or nerve damage or there's a herniated disc that's pressing on nerve or whatever, it's just not gonna get the signal and that's what it sounds like. It's what it sounds like is happening with you. Now you went to see a chiropractor and you noticed some relief for the next few days. That also tells me there may be an impinged or trap nerve or something pressing on nerve which is literally limiting how you can fire your muscles. If that doesn't get fixed, you can do all the exercise you want but it's like having a cord connected to your vacuum cleaner and you've got the cord you know clamped off. Like there's nothing we can really do at that point. So Symmetry's still gonna be the best. Prime Pro with the shoulder and scapular movements in there but you're gonna need to work with somebody who is a movement specialist who understands the nervous system. A good chiropractor is in that category. Okay? And did they have you x-ray? Did they do any x-rays? Where are you based out of? Madison, Wisconsin. Because in our forum, and maybe Brink has a recommendation to somebody who's over there because this does matter who he gets. He could also have you do imaging. Images. Yeah, he could do. He could assess you. I know he takes virtual clients on too. Cause here's a deal like and obviously this applies to every space that there's good ones and bad ones but some chiropractors are in the business of having you keep coming back and seeing them. They adjust you. You felt really great. You're like, oh man that helped but then they don't give you any exercises or things to compliment that or work on that or fix that and it's just this come see me and you have this need to see him all the time versus a good movement specialist that will assess it, break down what's going on with you and say listen, these are the things that we need to do in addition to this adjustment if we're ever going to fix this and so it needs to be important that whoever you're meeting with is communicating it that way with you or else you don't have a good one. Cole, if you have a few minutes here I could try something with you. It's not going to fix the problem but it might illuminate a little bit what you can do with your shoulder right now that will help is there a way you can move right now where you're like, oh there it is, I can feel it. Is there something you can do? As far as relieving the tension No, not relieving it. If I were to tell you move your shoulder or arm in a way to where you can tell there's a problem. Yeah, I think it's anytime I just try to pull my right scapula and shoulder back is when I feel Do it right now and tell me what you feel. Just a lot of tightness and then I'll even feel just like a pop. Like a small little pop and it's hard to even tell if it's coming from my chest or my back area to be honest. We're going to try this right now on Zoom maybe it won't work, we have to edit this out but we're going to give this a shot. Is there a wall that you can stand up against right now and put the camera on you? Yeah, sure, just like over here. I want your butt up against the wall and your head up against the wall. Got it. I want you to look down just a little bit and there's a small nodule on the back of your head. Can you feel that little nodule? Yes, you tuck your chin in like you are. Just a little bit. Can you feel that little nodule against the wall? Okay, now I want you to make your neck as tall as possible like you're trying to pull your head up while also pressing back into the wall. Now what I want you to do is take your palms face them forward, put them up against the wall face them forward, now put them up against the wall No, we're not going to do the wall test fully I'm going to try something called traction. Put your hands next to your sides like closer to your body. Okay, so hold that now put the whole back of your arms, shoulders nodule up against the wall make your head tall. Now while doing that do you know how you lower you see how your lower back is off the wall because you got a little bit of an arch? Simultaneously try to flatten your back against the wall. You're not going to be able to but I want you to try. So it's like you're trying to do like a little pelvic Now I want you to pull your shoulders down, pull them down while keeping your arms, yes, yes, yes, there you go pull them down while making your head taller while pressing your low back into the wall. So do them all at the same time. I can't be with you because if I was with you, I'd keep going, keep going, pull the shoulders down while keeping the arms in contact with the wall keep pulling them down pull your head up at the same time you're doing it, you're doing it and I keep my back flat you're not going to be able to but I want you to try keep doing it, don't give up, we got to hold this tension what we're trying to do is imagine you're making your spine longer and the way you're going to make your spine longer is by pulling your shoulders down pulling your head up and flattening your lower back all at the same time and if it feels hard, that's because it is hard. So let's hold that you're tugging from all those different points at once keep doing that, keep all those points for about 10 seconds. You ready? Here we go. Okay, hold them all head tall, shoulders down shoulders down, shoulders down, arms up against the wall. Yeah, yeah, there you go, hold that hold that, hold that, flatten the back, flatten the back hold it. Okay, come back to your chair, turn your camera we're going to try something real quick I felt, I mean I felt a lot of, I mean I felt the stretching and some relief there for sure but it was hard to keep the back flat No, yeah, very hard. Now move your shoulder let me know if there's a difference Yeah, I think there is I definitely know pop but that's not something that happens every time but it definitely feels like there's some relief. Okay, so what we did is we did what's called traction okay, but we did it actively through movement and traction essentially is if you think of the spine, the bony parts of the spine and then you have the disc in between we just create a little space in between them and if you noticed benefit from what we just did that's a very strong indication that there's a nerve that's being impinged because that space opened up a little bit and allowed the nerve to fire a little more freely. Breathe a little. Okay, so what I just showed you is excellent to practice throughout the day however, your best bet is to work with someone that can be with you that can move you through that because if I was there I probably would have made it better and then we would have improved upon it if we did that every single day. Two other L Doha moves would be great. Yes, also we have a video on our YouTube channel where I'm doing a L Doha E-L-D-O-A movement that's also another way to create traction through the fascia and then in the forum tag Dr. Justin Brink and he'll be far better than I am at identifying this issue. When you get these movements I really love the L Doha. I'm glad you went the L Doha route because we do have a series on there on the YouTube channel so if you do Mind Pump and then L Doha you'll see a bunch of videos. Watch all those to be beneficial to what you got going on and this just needs to become part of your lifestyle all the time working on this most certainly before and after lifting weights. The goal should be to try and do it throughout the day every time you're aware of it and then also every time you go into the map symmetry you're starting it and then of course getting the guidance from someone like Brink would be phenomenal. When you get good at it then what you'll be able to do is while you're sitting you'll be able to create that traction. You can't do it right now it was hard against the wall but if you keep practicing it throughout the day while you're working or whatever you'll be able to create that traction and just continue because what happens on a nerve is if it's constantly impinged it's going to cause inflammation. If you keep releasing it then it probably won't become an issue anymore. I love that you talked about before and after you lift weights because that was a concern of mine is that you can't lift weights anymore. So just a kind of off question that I had I ran symmetry I'm running symmetry again could I have a few of your programs could I do like a maps anabolic and make that a bilateral type of program You mean unilateral? Yeah sorry that's not my thing. Yeah you can but okay so you know the feeling that you just got with what we did against the wall? Yeah. If you could mimic that feeling when doing rows and overhead presses then yes if you can't then no because what will happen is you're going to end up impinging the nerve every time you do an overhead exercise or a row but if while you're doing a row you could create that lengthening in the spine where you kind of give yourself a double chin drop the shoulders and create that same feeling which you might not be able to do right now but if you practice enough times you will then I'd say yes. Following symmetry is not going to hurt you in your gains right now like literally following symmetry while we work on this and then when you start to feel good then bounce into the other programs like for right now this becomes a priority because we want to make sure we fix this and get to the bottom of it so if you were my client we would run a symmetry protocol while we're always we're literally every time you came in to see me the first 10 to 15 minutes would be that type of stuff like we would be doing all that and that would be the main focus and then when we get into our workout it would be symmetry or even a smaller version of symmetry it would be primarily focused on getting your so the point where you can make little micro adjustments in your posture to always get back in that optimal alignment. I've had a lot of success with these kind of mild impingement issues but literally I would get clients on the floor I'd have them hold on to bands while they're on their back I'd pull their head back and hold it for 30 seconds and a lot of different ways we would do this and then over time it was like we didn't need to do anymore and then I don't know if this plays a role in it either obviously I sit in a desk all day long I'm thankfully moving up to the ninth floor next month or a couple months not with standing desk at that point but is like just constantly lean I would imagine that's not helping the cause probably not but if you could sit up right now and give yourself a double chin and make your head tall pull your shoulders down at the same time now you just did a little traction there while you're seated just take breaks and do that figure that out by the way as you get you practice what Sal had you do against the wall more and more you'll learn to be able to do that right there in your chair understanding that he had you tuck your chin which is aligning your spine he's having you to reach your head up so you're stretching it out you're depressing your shoulders down so you can learn to do that right where you're sitting and it would be amazing like you just you know you between calls or emails or whatever you're doing you know every time you get a little 15 30 second break doing it more frequently all the time when you're sitting standing throughout the day is more beneficial than an hour of attention on it from a chiropractor or physical therapist like so try and do that as much as you can I'll show you one more thing okay create that traction right now while you're seated so kind of sit up tall bring your shoulders down rotate your hands out right make yourself tall over arch your back so pull the shoulders down head tall now without turning your head one way or the other it's it's your I think it's your right side right bring your left very slowly don't do this faster you hurt yourself bring your left ear down towards your left shoulder feel that little bit of a stretch while pulling your shoulder down okay that's probably going to give you a little bit more relief on that nerve does that feel good yeah there you go we'll give you the bill later appreciate that one last thing would something like because my gym has one would something like an inversion table help yes but the problem is it's passive yeah so it's just going to create temporary relief but you're not doing it through your own activation it's not a bad thing it's not a bad thing but you got to be able to do this with your own muscles otherwise it'll just go away okay and then the other thing is Adam I know you guys it was a recent episode I don't know if someone was talking about like shoulder some sort of tightness but you talked about getting like a light band in your office and doing some pull-up pockets that's something that I've been doing over the last few days that seems to help relieve some tension so long as you don't shrug your shoulders yeah even though what we just did with you will be even more valuable than that yeah so you do you intrinsically doing it like Sal just walked you through those two if you start to lift your chin yeah and if you start to lift your chin a little bit and bring your head back while doing that you're gonna hurt yourself you got to keep that head tall okay sounds good well that was super helpful so I appreciate it guys you got it man good luck cool thank you all right thanks a lot see you yep I literally had it's common like four clients like exactly you know what I used to do with them I'd have them do that on the wall then we'd sit down we'd mimic it and then I'd take my elbow and just press here on the levitator scapulae trap area and then I'd have them bring their head down a little bit and that was like the recipe that was it became a professional because what he said before with like having stingers yes all the things impact yeah I see my rib we used to dislocate all it was brutal so I mean yeah that's just the kind of stuff you got to relearn how to like put yourself in that good posture old supportive position our next caller is Christian from California Christian what's up man how can we help you know how's it going it's good yeah hey big fans of you guys thanks so much for all the content that you put out after listening to you guys I realize I've been over-training and under eating pretty much my whole life so shifted my mindset a whole lot let me jump into my questions so I'm reverse dieting I'm currently at my question says 27 I'm at about 3,000 calories right now and I wear an apple watch mostly to track my steps and track my sleep and that kind of stuff I do turn on the workout app when I'm lifting because I like closing my rings and that's about it and I don't know how accurate it is but when I when I do that it kind of says that I'm burning like 400 500 600 calories when I'm lifting and so my question is if my goal is to hit that 3,000 calories a day when I lift do I need to like eat back those calories that I'm burning or not I don't worry about it I wouldn't get I mean I love tools like the apple watch Fitbit or ring all these things like that I love the track steps and pay attention to the stuff but I never allow it to be the thing that like oh it says this many calories therefore I now need to do this with my diet really what I'm using that is just another piece of information or feedback when I pull back and I look at like a month worth of what's been going on like so when you look at your results over the last 30 days are you seeing progress in the direction you want and then the questions after you ask that question and the answer is yeah you know I'm getting stronger the scale is staying about the same I'm eating more calories great I don't need to mess with anything but then if you say like man I'm getting weaker or I'm putting on a bunch of weight then we make adjustments to those things right then we add in calories or take out calories or create more movement to allow the numbers even our personal macro calculator that spits off a number of calories you should eat again these are all good tools to give you an idea but don't allow it to change your day to day decisions on how you eat use it as something that you can look at from a bird's eye view at like the end of the month and go like okay let me assess my goal was to reverse diet so in your case you're trying to increase calories without probably putting on body fat right was I able to the last 30 days increase my calories from what they previously were and am I in as good a shape or better shape than I was when I first started and then that is what should make our decision yeah what should you look at with your reverse diet am I getting you know more body fat than I'd like am I getting stronger do I feel good those are the things that matter not trying to fill in the calories by the way the calories you burn while you're active your body adapts to that so fast it's not even funny it actually almost doesn't make a difference except for maybe the first three or four weeks this is why people when they try to burn calories off to lose weight they plateau so hard within a very short period of time so how is the reverse diet going are you getting success from it no yeah it's been great my question kind of stemmed from because I use my fitness bow to track everything and I'm pretty diligent at tracking all of my food and for whatever reason I think like by default it was kind of set to when it when it detects that you've burned calories or you've done an activity it like automatically subtracted it from like my daily calorie and I remember like going through it and I was like how do I still have two thousand calories like I know that I ate this much I can look at it and I was like oh it subtracted my like active calories does that mean I need to eat that back and so that's kind of stemmed from I mean it sounds like when you sent this question and you were only 227 and now you're already up to 3000 calories is that correct yeah yeah sounds like you're doing really good by the way I seen your second party question that you're following a 5x5 strong lift resting three to four minutes and your apple watch go ahead so yeah so that that second question so I wrote this like back in October so it's been a while my program has shifted I'm on I'm doing anabolic right now oh good but still yeah so for that second question um so when I'm when I'm resting like especially oh man when I was doing like before I did anabolic I I was I did a bunch of higher up stuff just because of the novelty I was doing a lot of heavy 5x5 stuff and so I wanted to switch it up but yeah after doing sets of like 12 to 15 I was gassed man course I was so tired after and so like before I was listening to you guys I would just like I was super setting everything you just wanted to sweat through the workout but now I'm like okay I need to give my body my muscles time to recover so I can actually hit these workouts as a skill and do it properly and so I ended up resting like three four five minutes um and I had to like even set timers for myself because I know if I don't do that I'm just not gonna rest as much as I need to and so I was kind of wondering just when I'm resting for that long is there anything I can do that's a little more productive than just like chillin stretch or learn a new language I got something for you first off I'm gonna comment on something that you didn't just ask your Apple watch says you burn four to five hundred calories during a you know a 5x5 lifting program you're not that's off people don't burn a lot of calories lifting away so just one more one more you know thing that shows how off those things can be talk about what you can do between sets I'm assuming you mean is there something I can do whenever I'm resting to improve my results not to be more productive like a productive member of society or something like that because then like Adam said you could learn a new language or something there is there actually is of all the data that exists this is gonna sound silly but of all the data that exists there is one thing you could do while resting that seems to show improve results in terms of muscle connection muscle fiber activation which should lead to better results and it's visualization it's literally while I'm resting and what's weird about this and we used to make fun of this back in the day old school bodybuilders Arnold used to talk about this in between sets I imagine my biceps growing and I imagine having the biggest arms in the world or when I'm working out my back when I'm resting I imagine my laps my laps blowing up they did a study on they've done several studies on this where they have people work out rest work out rest and they have people work out visualize the muscle contracting and growing and firing and activating the people that visualized had more muscle fiber recruitment and had better connection to the muscle during the exercise so if you really want to do anything in between sets whatever you're working on picture that muscle imagine it growing and firing and connecting in between sets that's what the data shows now I've never done it because I just in between sets my ADD is like I'm rather paint like Paul check I mean I do this so I think one of the most important things is what not to do I think that what you shouldn't do is a bunch of other things abs, core stuff jumping around you shouldn't get on your phone and scroll through Instagram rubber band exercises are not resting don't be texting your friends you shouldn't do one of the best things I mean have your music in my head is down and I'm thinking about the lift I just did and the lift I'm about to do I'm thinking about when I was doing that dumbbell press where my shoulder staying back pinched down and retracted was I going slow enough I'm thinking about what I just did and I'm thinking about what I'm about to do right now and I don't want to look at anybody that's in there my head is down and the music is in my ears like that is the best thing that you can do in that time you know what if you want to focus on the breathing that will help calm the heart rate down faster and maybe prepare you to get back into the set sooner than what so maybe it takes you four minutes right now to recover because your heart rate is going like crazy and you don't quite have that same endurance you focusing on your breathing will help you get ready faster so you'll be ready to go faster you're focused on the set you just did and what you're about to go do nothing is going to trump that as far as what's going to help maximize your results sweet yeah thank you guys so much go warriors go warriors hockey teams you know those it's so well highlights the benefit and the detriment of these devices like if you get married to them not good if you don't use any tracking at all and are not aware of anything not good either there's like a nice happy medium of the three of us I'm the biggest fan of these tools I love these tools I just think that a lot of people use them the wrong way I think they get so hung up on the and I get it because it's a competitive market and each one wants to market themselves as a more accurate tool to whatever it's like none of that shit matters they're all accurate enough to show consistency and that's what you want to see like what's most important is at the end of the month if he's not seeing the results that he wants he now has more data and it doesn't matter that the Apple Watch exaggerates that it's 500 calories he burned because it's going to exaggerate every workout by that same percentage so what he's really looking at when he looks at the end of the month is like oh I'm putting on too much body fat and then he can go like and based off of my tracking consistently for 30 days that I've been tracking I'm eating 28 or 3000 calories maybe I need to scale those calories back or maybe I need to take an extra 10,000 steps a day so I burn a little bit more calories every single day so that's how you're using those tools you're not getting hung up on oh that couldn't be right I didn't take 10,000 steps I only took 4,000 it doesn't matter what it matters is that you're collecting all this data and then you're using it to like take a bird's eye view of am I moving in the right direction if so don't change anything or there's your formula based off of all your tools or if you're not seeing the results that you want just using those tools to adjust calories and movement and things like that based off of that our next caller is Stone from North Carolina Stone what's up man by the way coolest name I've ever heard in my entire life that's gotta be the toughest name I've ever heard that's your middle name you said say that again that's your middle name it is my middle yeah go buy my middle so just told Doug that but I appreciate it bro with a low voice and a name like that you got on the phone with your girl Stone how can we help you man well thanks guys well hey first want to just say it's finally nice to get to see you guys not exactly in person but been listening to y'all for some time now really since March of this past year want to say just thank you for the content and truly I think the one word is clarity that you guys provide around a lot of just confusion and and just different messages that are out there I get a lot of clarity from you guys and you've helped me kind of set my goals to align more with my family more with my work schedule stuff like that so truly it felt the impact so I want to say thank y'all for that thank you that's great yeah absolutely so I'm gonna get into my question I'm just gonna read how I sent it in and then add some color commentary and feel free to ask any questions if you got any so questions about injury recovery mainly why does my body not seem to recover as well as it should or as well as I think it should from minor injuries so for context it seems as though my body does not recover as well as it should from minor injuries I did play football all through high school and college and when I did play it seemed that any minor injury or setback from the field or the weight room really only took a few days to heal I could ice I could heat take a day off recover well be back to normal nowadays only a few years removed from that it seems as though any injury I sustain whether at work in the weight room wherever it just seems to persist and stay with me and kind of nag despite trying to get after it with rehab PT rest things like that so it just pretty frustrating seems like I'm just kind of accumulating small aches and pains that take a lot of my energy and take time away from training in daily life so a little about me I'm 26 almost 7 years old weight trained really for 12 13 years or so have a history of injuries from football mostly also a history of kind of overtraining in my early 20s after football I eat really well mostly whole food diet emphasis on protein take a handful of supplements as well as magnesium and salt I usually walk an average of 10 to 15 thousand steps a day and that's mostly because I work in construction I'm a construction superintendent so on my feet moving around job sites all day long try to get an average about 7 hours of sleep a night and then training wise I usually weight train 4 times a week with one day in the middle kind of a mobility functional fitness day with kettlebell type so that's the little background question let me know what you guys think if you got any questions so stone 95% of the time the reason why somebody notices that suddenly their ability to recover especially at your age you're young so age can play a role but not even close to it at your age 95% of time there's a few factors that are the reason why somebody notices that suddenly it's like man you know what I would recover now it's like I can't recover anymore and they are as follows in order of importance one is sleep the data on sleep and injury and recovery is so profound that it puts everything else to shame literally like if an athlete has a night of bad rest and it can either be not enough hours or it could be the right amount of hours is bad quality the rate of injury is like 50% high it's like ridiculous it's much higher the rate of injuries so sleep is number one hydration is number two diet is number three and number four is just you're overtraining now the problem with the overtraining one is this is a tough one because the other three are related to that right so yeah so if your sleep isn't as good as it could be or it's not great well then whatever your workout is is just too much type of deal same thing with diet and hydration so instead you try to get seven hours of sleep what is the reality of what you're actually getting and are you doing this are you because you're young right are you doing this where Monday through Thursday you go to bed at the same time wake up at the same time Friday night you go to bed late sleep in Saturday go to bed late wake up something later Sunday then Monday comes around you got to wake up early again like is are you doing that and then tell me about the quality of your sleep right no that's I mean that's a great question I think for the most part Thursday night through Thursday night I mean it is about seven seven and a half hours but that's I mean that's clock time seven seven and a half I usually do wake up in there when I do wake up my mind starts racing usually about work type thing so I'd tell you and my wife would tell you that I quality of sleep isn't it's not a full just seven hour knocked out and then weekends are usually I usually get more usually eight hours on the weekend but might not be going to bed at the same exact time waking up at the same time it's sleep yeah and there's also other things that all play into this too that a lot of times we don't think about anything that's going to add any sort of extra stress in your life is going to is going to take away from this recovery that were were challenged with right now to so it could be a simply someone at your age I don't know how recently you've married I don't know if you have a kid or not I don't know if you got a mortgage just recently like you'd be surprised like how many things like that will add this like low level stress to you all the time now like back when you were 18 you weren't thinking about oh my god I got to make sure I make this to make the bills and to do this and now you're married and have you know a family and now you have this new responsibility and we just assume that like hey this is just part of life but you don't realize that adds a new layer of stress that you deal with all the time then you factor in a couple bad nights of sleep and then here you there's your there's your reason right there's like you didn't have that when you were 17 hitting guys on the football field all you had to do is figure out where the Friday party was and how you're going to get your next meal that's all you stressed about so those things do make a difference huge difference and and will and they'll affect your sleep yeah you know like you said you wake up stressed out like what's the difference between you when you're in college and now were you married in college was not married and I did not have a job so yeah yeah bro you're you're just listen you're you're a young man who's now moving into being a man and what I mean by that is you got responsibility now when you're a young man you have no responsibility yeah you play football you go to class not the same you know that right now you're responsible you got a job you might have employees you got a wife you know maybe you guys are playing have a kid at some point if you don't now it's totally different and so you might not be getting like horrible sleep but you might be getting chronically not great sleep and what's great about what's what is positive about this this whole situation is that I mean you mentioned earlier that you you've you figured out that you were probably over training a lot in your early 20s even you're just now you've now reached a point now were gonna get away with it your body's telling you and so we have to start to adjust the the intensity the amount of volume the way you train has to really start to adjust to your current lifestyle did you listen to our podcast with dr. Parsley dr. Parsley that's the he's the seal doctor yes yes yes I'm about I'm about halfway through it okay check out his book he's like very very good for somebody like you perfect but just like off the top of my head okay just a few things you could do you want at least eight hours of clock time because it probably takes you 30 minutes to really fall asleep anyway so not seven hours of clock time eight hours of clock time so do that an hour before no electronics okay that makes a big difference if you do watch electronics use blue light blocking glasses you can use something on your bed like eight sleep that'll make a big difference you could try mouth tape for a lot of young men especially guys who are we've got a decent amount of muscle you played football I'm imagining you probably is your wife ever say you snore she sleeps so hard that she'd have no idea so I might mouth tape is like it's super cheap on Amazon you can get it super cheap you tape your face shut you go to sleep it actually I mean the data shows makes a difference and then go to bed at the same time wake up at the same time every day do that for two weeks if you don't notice a profound difference then it's something else but I'll bet you every program that we have that you'll notice a profound difference if you're consistent with that for two weeks for sure yeah well I mean go ahead what what programs do you have of ours just prime pro and I mostly got that like right after I started listening and I mean truly has helped I most of my training days I spend about 15 to 20 minutes priming with that program before lifting so that's all I got and it really does help yeah I would I would either throw you maps 15 or anabolic as a good program to program in the meantime yeah yeah so I have Doug send over maps anabolic follow that with what you're doing with the priming already if you still feel like you're having a tough time recovering you're not seeing good progress you're not getting stronger then I might advise you to go to maps 15 because it might we just may need to pull back on the overall stress one more thing you can add Ned we work with a company called Ned they have something called mellow it's it's one of the best it's not like a sleep aid like it makes you drowsy your body gets used to it it just gives your body nutrients that tend to help with sleep very it's an inexpensive product you drink it right before you go to bed a lot of people notice a bit so that's a product you could try it's not going to be a substitute though for what I said earlier like literally just give it two weeks just be okay you know tell your wife listen we're gonna go to I gotta go to bed this time it is for two weeks I'm not gonna stay up late and then you should notice profound in two weeks you should be like okay I feel way different then you know it was asleep okay got you all right well I know a lot of people say it sometimes but they call and they almost know what your answer is going to be though I was I was thinking that in the back of my head but I mean it makes sense it makes a lot of sense but it was good to good to hear that so I appreciate the tips for that you got it all right so we're gonna sit on that program too okay all right thank y'all so much appreciate it easy man all right see you you know what the challenge is for especially for young man right well he's a 38 year old stuck in a 26 year old look I got married young too I know he's very mature you get married and then what happens is because you know man we're just like they're like this either because we're raised this way or because it's part of our you know our DNA we don't say nothing we just go but I'm just gonna keep going I'm gonna go to work I'm gonna do this and then you just start noticing stuff like shit right why is my back her all of a sudden and then you just say to yourself like oh I guess I'm just getting older this is a part of it what no it's like you're the responsibilities on your shoulders have just quadrupled yeah that's gonna affect a lot of counted for those big shifts in your life totally hundred percent look if you like our show do this go to mind pump free calm check out our free fitness stuff we have a lot there that can help you out it's totally free you can also find us on Instagram Justin is that my pump Justin I'm at my pump to Stefano Adam is that you