 Already for this and I think that 5% of john macarthur is worse more than the whole evangelical world Put together what 5% of john macarthur Is worse more than the whole evangelical world put together And I think that 5% of John Macarthur is Worth more than the whole evangelical world put together and I think that 5% of John MacArthur is worse more than the whole evangelical world put together and I think that 5% of John MacArthur is worse more than the whole evangelical world put together back to the BCV channel I am your host Pastor Seco Woods please do the following please like subscribe share hit that notification bell at the bottom of the video that way whenever I go live post any content or information it'd be one of the first to view it also if you like to support this ministry financially you can do so by clicking the donation links below at the bottom of the video thank you those of you who have been so faithful and supporting this channel and also love life and marriage with the woods on YouTube we really do appreciate that also if you would like to become a body lifer you can become a body lifer simply by just clicking the donation links below if you like to contribute by doing so monthly semi monthly even annually doesn't matter you can do that we definitely thank you in advance for your for your support this is live stream number two of three that was dr. Steve Lawson aka the 5%er himself and you heard it you heard it you with your own ears you heard him make the statement statements regarding John MacArthur being better 5% of him is worth more than any of y'all any of y'all I don't know what else to tell you ladies and gentlemen other than if that does not sound like idolatry I do not know what else to call it I do not I don't I am I'm a loss for words in that description of what Steve Lawson what he said remember I told you all that I was expecting a guest to come on to come up he agreed to his name I'm gonna give you his name he goes by the handle called captain I'm gonna demote him to to private I'm gonna promote him to a private his name is Lee Harvey not not Lee Harvey Oswald close but his name is Lee Harvey Lee Harvey is a no-call no-show Lee Harvey is the individual no one knows who he is I mean that's it is you know no one knows who he is and for me I don't have a problem with bringing people on who don't have a platform I don't I just believe if you're going to make statements publicly especially false accusations publicly then you should have the same energy and the same boldness to state those claims I just believe that I'm a firm avid believer that if I'm going to talk about somebody then I at least need to be willing if the opportunity presents itself and arises to be willing to come up I just believe that if not then I need to shut up I need I need to go back into my little hole or wherever I came from and just sit down somewhere but once again I was looking forward to it but it doesn't stop the content it doesn't stop the content and maybe he'll come on before this live is over because I got a whole bunch of receipts with his name on it and again because I want to give I want to give people that make accusations the opportunity to to clarify to clean up or condemn what they've said and if they if they don't then all I can do is go by what they have posted what they've stated and let you be the judge regarding what mr. Capitan aka Lee Harvey said can't say that I'm making any false accusations can't say that I am slandering this man when I drop the receipts because the receipts has his name on it but first but first 51 of you are in the in the chat 13 ever liked this video could you please if you don't mind if you're walking in if you if you have come into the BCV Baptist Church could you do could you please so kind and clicking that like button that subscribe button if you have not yet done so so we can get these likes up so that way we can trigger the algorithm and help other people to come in to the to the to the chat so I was I forgot and was remiss to share with you all the the tweet Twitter conversation that I had with with with Justin Peters and so I'm gonna do that now and and it'll tie into the conversation with what I had with with captain aka Lee Harvey aka no car no show and I thought I thought white people were were more punctual then then black people according to that the survey remember that African American survey that they took down back in 2020 I think it was remember that y'all they said you know that's a part of being white being punctual that we want to do away with that yeah yeah you remember that so I mean and yeah he's a white guy he's a white guy so I just knew I told him I told him to arrive in the green room 15 minutes prior to the stream to ensure audio and video connectivity I did and I'm gonna show you in the in the chat in the comments I'm gonna show it to you I'm gonna show it to you and I want you thinking that I'm making it up and see see see brother test him as he said he said he has he's punctual and he has good credit so you know he a white dude but yeah so let me go ahead and let's do this let me go ahead and share the screen y'all and let's get this let's get this thing started I mean you know one clown don't stop the circus so remember I mentioned to you in the last dream that what set this whole thing between between myself and Justin was that he came for me I didn't I didn't come for him I didn't mention his name to my regard but he felt the need being a fanboy being a dedicated fanboy being a card-carrying fanboy he felt the need and the necessity to to mention my name and and to and to try to discredit my name and reputation I used to use stream yard I'm using ecam now I use I use ecam now and so far it's been pretty good so let me go ahead and share the screen ladies and gentlemen this is how the whole thing gets set off all right this was dated March the 8th today's the 10th so it's two days ago okay and remember I told you at the beginning of the shepherds conference the shepherds conference started March 8th okay March 8th so what you see that my comment is in reference to a video that I that I did prior regarding John MacArthur in fact it's titled when should pastors be exposed I would encourage you to go and and check that video out it's on my YouTube channel under BCV channel check it out you can get the reference on that so this tweet was in conjunction or following subsequent to the live stream that I that I hosted and I said quote why would shepherds conference attempt to have John MacArthur speak knowing his health isn't optimal then to make matters even worse manipulate gaslight attendees into thinking Jay Mac is feeling better quote-unquote by posting a Twitter pic of him and Miss Patricia and the mountains hashtag psi up much now if you've been following this you know what I'm talking about I don't want to go into much detail again check out the video there that way you can you can get me abreast on what I'm trying to lose today here that was that was earlier my tweet okay Justin felt the need right here and said quote you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about say go literally everything you just said is wrong so basically he's calling me a liar would that be would that be an actual conclusion or you know something that I can deduce from his statement the it is what is what he's saying would you what you conclude along with me that I am lying on John MacArthur based on what Justin Peter said if you agree say yes that's what he's saying he's saying you'll lie to know he ain't calling you a lie you're tripping you being petty what do what do you would say you chat family yep testaments yep okay anyone else by the testimony two or three so far we got okay of course my wife she said yep Darrell said yep okay I can I can just stop there so he's calling me a liar kneeling you said I really think you believe what you're saying I think he just thinks you're wrong can say that again I really think you believe what you're saying well I believe what I'm saying because it's the truth I don't I don't believe what I'm saying because I feel it I believe what I'm saying because it's true kneeling I don't care about my feelings I only care about the facts bro that's it when you walk with Christina y'all subscribe to her channel she but she says yeah he says you're lying okay yeah he's he's calling me a liar right okay so which is why I responded to him I said oh really I said you sure about that Justin I said between you and Steve Lawson's veneration of MacArthur into the third heaven is by far worse than Roman Catholics due to the Pope and then I cited and posted the video that I made appreciation or adulation what say you then Justin responds back the following day at 9 21 a.m. he says quote I'm absolutely sure about it Seco you do not know the situation you do not know what happened I can assure you that everything you said was completely totally comically and for you embarrassingly wrong Proverbs 1813 we all know what Proverbs 1813 says it says he gives an answer before he or she hears is a folly and ashamed him right but wait a minute isn't this the same Justin that I just shared with you in the live that we just had an hour a couple hours ago that he said and I quote that he does not know MacArthur that well he only knows MacArthur from other people who knows him from other people who knows him do y'all remember that am I am I making that up do you remember that live we just had that live a couple hours ago do you remember him saying that do you remember that so if that is the case based on your own testimony Justin then then why would I believe what you're saying when I have talked to people that are right there I don't have to make the stuff up everything I'm saying has been proven to be true all the way down to him being on dialysis because of his kidneys so what is there for me to lie about what why would I what what what do I have to gain for lying Justin tell me what why why would I need to lie and in fact I just had a conversation with someone who used to be a member of Grace Community Church for 30 years that is that's right three zero 30 years not 10 not 20 not 25 not 26 27 8 9 no 30 years ever since they were a child they grew up there so just because you're saying I'm wrong but you're not proving how I'm wrong because I even invited you to camp up but I guess I don't know I guess I got to have more baldness in my hair like Cory shout out to Cory I don't know maybe that's it maybe I got to be from Dallas maybe I got a peer less threatening to another man geez I mean whoever who would have thought who would have thunk that I would have to be gentle to another man I just I just don't get it ladies and gentlemen this is where we are and as this this is the same dude by the way this the same guy that that that that pulls up rolls up no pun intended on false teachers at will I'm listening I'm not making it up I'm not making this up at all he will pull up at Jesse Duplantis's church this man pulled up rolled up on Joel Osteen and rebuked him for his false doctrine on camera I've seen the receipts I've seen it but but you you don't you don't you don't feel as necessary to defend your idol against somebody like me I mean make that make sense maybe maybe it is because because I don't have hundreds of thousands of followers what I don't I don't I'm not a part of a mega church I mean what I'm not a mega church pastor what what is it do I have to be a heretic before you can want to come up with me oh and like I told you Justin like I told you why don't you just treat me like a heretic treat me like a heretic treat me like a non-believer and we can come up and then that way you can prove how wrong I am I mean what do you have to lose what do you have to lose Justin because I'm ready I'm ready to stand ten toes down for mine I've been doing it been doing this for quite some time so I'm not new at this and you know this man so what's the what's all the hesitancy for what's the reticence for why are you climbing up do I have to be a Jesse do planters before you can agree to camera do I have to be a Creflo yeah exactly David you remember that one too rolled up on rolled up and on top billion on top billion meeting in disguise to call him out in a prayer line yeah so you don't you don't have to play it in those no sneak tactics with me I'm giving you the opportunity Justin I gave you the opportunity to come up I mean we used to be cool when Steve started tripping and see track until you started trying to control a brother you know I don't get down like that are you crazy yeah I've been trying to talk to Justin Peters he won't talk to me this this is the tweet he and I had he came on my on my feet accusing me of being wrong and and then calling me a fool throws his throws his rocks and then hides his hand and runs it's kind of cowardly yeah I was gonna do an interview but Lee Harvey is the name he didn't show up but I got the receipt so I'm not gonna leave y'all hanging I just wanted to cover this because I wasn't I forgot to do so in the last slide but it still will tie into what we're talking about today yes straight like that straight like that straight like that yeah he blinked like I said maybe he'll came up when before my live is over because he has he has the link I'm gonna I'm gonna show y'all proof so that way sister Erica when you when you see this you'll see for your record you'll see that I gave him the opportunity I sent him the link Renee Rowland says you seem upset at Justin Peters because he teaches we are saved by grace alone faith alone and Christ alone you back load works to the gospel say go you envy free grace preachers wow man wow Renee you busted me man so that's what I that's what I do I teach I don't teach salvation by grace through faith alone and Christ alone Renee well first of all I'm sorry welcome welcome to the channel thank you man may I ask you a question please can you please provide a receipt this is this is gonna be comical you guys this is this is entertaining to be honest with you this is entertaining so let's let's let's let's let's go ahead and I'm gonna be in my proverbs 265 mode right now I may I may I may flip back later but I'm in my I'm in my proverbs 265 right 265 right now so so ma'am Renee how you doing can you can you point to a sermon a post a tweet a statement an implication that I teach salvation by works I can call you I mean I can call I can you call out sin okay I can you call out sin we are all sins or we're sinners say but well well I mean the Bible calls it saints but you know that's fine but I'm just trying to find out why why are you saying that I don't teach and preach salvation by grace through faith alone and Christ alone and then I'm in your words were to make sure I got your statement right before before we proceed before we proceed everybody say hello to Renee in the chat in the chat hi Renee you said I seem upset at Justin okay so tell me how am I upset tell me tell me how am I upset if I'm upset I'm upset at how people are being manipulated and lied to and I have a right to be angry and upset about that because I don't like seeing people being taken advantage of do you but you said you seem upset at Justin Peters because he teaches where I say by grace alone faith alone and cry and I don't I don't and what works through our back low tell me what works do I teach what works salvation message you have you seen me preacher teacher ever please please provide the receipt so that way everybody in the mama can know okay all right thank you so yeah you know anyway so let's continue with this with this conversation and I think there's maybe a few more yes so my comment to him was in my Bible verse for you is power of 1817 that the first to present his case seems right so another comes in questions and James chapter 2 verse 1 do not hold the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism verse John fire 21 simple text little children is talking to believers guard yourself from idols I said since you're so bold behind your keyboard to falsely accuse me of being wrong let's have a live debate slash discussion regarding what I know to be true versus your claims that I am wrong Donna Romer thank you so much for the super chat thank you now do you believe ladies and gentlemen that's a that's a simple and reasonable request challenge I mean if you're gonna make the statements why not why not defend your statement I'm willing to defend mine I said you think what service Christie did by exposing you for the liar and fraud you are was bad keep running your mouth like diarrhea and making false accusations against me and I'm going to treat you just like the false teachers your ministry made bank exposing try me Justin please and I did not hear anymore from him he went dark so that was the conversation that I had with Justin Peters which precipitated me having the live a couple hours ago all right so now let's discuss what we all came here to discuss today I was supposed to have a live discussion slash debate with Lee Harvey not Oswald but Lee Harvey who has yet to still show up he said he would I took him at his word but his word don't mean nothing now at this point okay what's up Chuck I'll go ahead and and check on my man teach him Chuck on on Instagram and YouTube check out his content he got some he got some dope content y'all brother bringing the heat for the for the community where is he located I'm not sure where is he located but I'm about to show you as the receipts that way we can have some some some bases on here and we can go we can go from there all right so how did this all start Seco I mean it looks like you always involved in conflict and controversy um well well yeah I get did y'all get the gist in the drift of my of my thumbnail did y'all get it I hope y'all did I don't have his number I don't have his number but I sent him an email this dude had no listen y'all let's see y'all let's see he's an hour ahead of me this is why I made I listen I accommodated this young man okay I accommodated this college student this young father and this college student I accommodated him so it's not it's not me just making up a time and imposing it upon him and making him you know came up it wasn't that I gave it I gave this young man an opportunity he came on my channel he came on my channel and and accepted the challenge and now he's not here so let's go ahead and get and get started with this all right let's see so this is this is what set everything off this this this post right here okay y'all remember this is the one I did the live reaction to Shepherd's Conference on yesterday you see what he said he said quote another MacArthur hater must be Julie Roy's tag team partner in this corner weighing an unlimited amount of hate the crusaders yawn that's what started the whole thing okay and and what I did it was I just I just responded to him and I said I said you want to come up and discuss it he said sure he said sure send me a link totally not the least bit intimidated this is what he says right I'm just letting you all read it this was this was yesterday 11 hours ago he said sure send me a link totally not the least bit intimidated and I sent him the link I said email your contact information to seco woods at yahoo.com he said sounds fun I responded because I had yet to receive it yet I said email your contact information to seco woods at yahoo.com okay now I'm gonna pause here and we're going to now I believe take you over to the email conversation that captain aka Lee Harvey is what they call them and I had this is the email conversation look at the time look at the timestamps on the far on the far right corner does everyone see it does everyone see it this is the timeline of events this is the transcript of the conversation that I myself and mr. Harvey leaves with the column he and I had okay so at 431 p.m. I said here you go sir this is my email address I mean no he said here you go sir this is my email address he emailed me then okay he gave me his email address so you see that right okay I then asked him I said are you available tonight at 7 30 I said are you available tonight which is last night 7 to 7 30 central standard time which would have been 8 o'clock 8 30 his time so he's we see that right okay he says if you want to have a brief conversation and an open dialogue I have time now before I get my son from work he says I'm not actually he's I'm a major I'm a theology major and I have class okay so I'm trying to be considerate he says typically my best times are right at 4 30 p.m. ish eastern time depending on my work schedule I have like an hour or so gap depending on the day before class so then I said everybody see the flow of conversation here right I said send me your dates of availability and I'll do my best to accommodate you so we all see this just want to make sure we all on the same page and seeing the same thing you he then says let's see make sure I got the context here he says I completely understand the face-to-face verbal dialogue I responded to him right here and don't don't don't worry about this time here we see 10 39 that's not true you have to go to the far right because I know why yahoo has those different times on there but it was an early afternoon I told him I prefer to have a face-to-face and or verbal dialogue let me know when you're available so we all see this right then he says I have zero issues I have zero issues stating my position publicly whatsoever not my first rodeo further I look forward to the interaction I had never heard of you or your channel until I searched shepherds conference 2023 when I got home so then I I responded to him I said great just want to provide you with an opportunity to verbally and publicly elucidate your position and accusations you brought against me publicly he then responds and says I have time now the time we have been emailing back and forth we could have had a good discussion further after 12 p.m. yes tomorrow at 4 30 I have time accusations he says come on now mr. Woods your thumbnail of your video and the remarks you made during your video regarding Pastor MacArthur are blatantly obvious further he says I admire your energy and determination okay I said well I'm glad it's not your first rodeo quote-unquote make sure you bring the same energy along with the accusations you made when we came up will you be available tomorrow after 12 p.m. Eastern Standard Time he responds and says I work until 3 30 I have a 30-minute drive home which puts me home a little after 4 any not objectionable human could see the case presents itself he says you're editing a video come on now mr. Woods videos can wait because I believe in the conversation I had mentioned to him yes here it is I said I said currently I'm in my office editing videos so now would not be a good time for us to converse if you're available tomorrow afternoon Eastern then that would give me time to create the promo for the livestream regarding your accusations the burden of proof is on you to present your case Lee well kneeling I don't know what else to tell you my friend my brother I don't know what to tell you if you don't see the idolatry I don't know what else to tell you I don't it's the very thing that Martin Luther would condemn it's the very thing matter of fact that Jesus and the disciples would have condemned so I don't know what else to tell you bro all I can do is this is this encourage you to read Philippians 1 18 which says if we have a different opinion doesn't lower make it plain to you that's my prayer but I don't know what else to tell you on that one chief because it's definitely idolatry he says I said glad it's not your first row to make sure you bring the same energy with accusations made when we came up then what I see yeah that's it yeah okay so and then we continue on and I believe this was the other conversation let's see yes sure I got this yes and so I quote his statement back to him I said your quote any non-objectional human can see the case presents itself in quote am I responsible and we'll see when you when you came up your quote which is actually his quote you're editing a video come on now mr. Woods videos can wait these and I want you I want you all to remember that quote that he made remember the quote that Lee made in this email okay because this is this is going to be this is going to be useful when I share the other receipts okay so remember what he says right here he says you're editing a video come on now mr. Woods videos can wait no offense I said to him but you're not that important for me to stop what I'm doing that pays the bill so I can engage a rando online no worries though I'll make time for you tomorrow that's what I told him and then he quote did I read his quote earlier because it's at the top I believe I'm excuse at the bottom I said your quote didn't you want to come up with the Bible thumping wing that guy at one time and quote I said yep still do if you know him tell him to come holler at me or if you like I can kill two birds with one stone and both of you can come up and then I believe that was I think he mentioned that I had blocked him which is not true I didn't I didn't block him he has multiple channels and then he also has been the platform known some of them YouTube has so I didn't block him if I block him I wouldn't be able to respond to his to his video that he made about me and his comments I made a comment in his video in on his channel which I know he saw so I didn't block him let's see I want to say that should be it just want to make sure I had everything that I that I covered here all right I think this I think that's it I think that's it hope I'm making y'all dizzy going up and down with the screen here just want to make sure that I had covered the comments to give you all the full context right here I told him I didn't block him I didn't block him but believe what you wish Proverbs 1813 I said again you're not a priority I was just making time for you on my time he says right here actually he did address you the meaning Tim heard Bible thumping wing that is what he's referring to actually he did address you to come up with him and you blocked him here's what here's what time on this earth has taught me if you really wanted to discuss this with me I guess wanted to say with me it's fine your editing could have waited so I want you to follow those two statements in your in your mind okay he feels that I need to hold off on what I'm doing to come up with him when he wants to so he says if you really want to discuss with me this with me your editing could have waited he says I have nothing to lose here I'm not a YouTube personality I'm just a regular blue collar guy who's working a job and going to school however I must be that important or you wouldn't want to quote unquote promote your video so again when I said promote I'm not talking about promote to where as I'm going to get a huge fanfare I'm the same promote so I can get to the algorithm and help people who have who are subscribers to my channel get the notifications because all of us know that YouTube is tripping when it comes to notifications a lot of you have said to me that you have not gotten any notifications or some notification that you should have received you have not received and you didn't know I was on live until you just started you know scrolling and and going through your your YouTube page so this gentleman is making a lot of statements and he's just basically strong and wrong so again that was the email conversation that he and I had so now let's let's go over and let's let's go back over to these these YouTube comments now this is gonna be funny okay let me make sure cuz I may have I may have to cross share my screen so that way you can see exactly what he said regarding regarding this having time to do what you want to do okay so here's a screenshot from the again from a YouTube channel let's see I'm sorry go back down here we go back it's too far ahead we close this one out close that one out and this is the third one here here we go so Erica fair she had excuse me Erica fair she she had responded cuz she saw the comment and she said can't wait to see you she was referring to she was referring to captain aka Lee Harvey and then later that later that that that day an evening rather it was at nighttime when it said it happened I said Erica he's all talk I tried to set up a live tomorrow but he'd rather play games instead of committing to do it to a time and date and then Erica shakes her head and then she responds to captain aka Lee Harvey what time we was supposed to meet was supposed to meet at five o'clock Eastern 4 p.m. Central so he said Erica she shook her head then she said I couldn't wait to see you and you didn't even do it I like when we are able to dialogue as people and so did I so early this morning early Sunday morning he got up and made this comment he said you're a liar and you know it I tried to set something up with you on yesterday and you gave me this lame excuse about editing your videos make the emails public sick old coward buddy you buddy you talk a big game about me being on talk man real man of God right there you literally make my statement even more true about you being a crusader came up I say okay let's come up wait I'm editing my videos lame BTW in 2.0 he says further some of us actually do work a normal job plus I'm a college student captain said aka Lee Harvey with the column I ask you all to put two statements pin two statements in your brain and your mind about this working and being busy and and you know having all of these other obligations you remember that captain right here Lee Harvey with the column he said further further some of us actually do work a normal job plus I'm a college student your exact words to me he says quote you're not that important pretty easy to run your mouth now but yes let me miss work and skip class for a wannabe YouTube personality crusader I guess he's talking about me I guess he says talk about integrity on your part as if I expected any different ladies and gentlemen brothers and sisters people and pipettes did I misrepresent mr. Harvey captain Lee is what they call him so far in this transcript in this timeline of events have I once misrepresented anything he said based on these emails and so far the YouTube conversation in fact you can go to my YouTube channel and you can pull up this very conversation and you can follow along right along with me just to ensure that I am not leaving out any pertinent information or anything that will be contextually understood but if I'm not lying against this young man if I'm not misrepresenting him then what does that say about you mr. Harvey Lee is what they call you so remember let's take this one down and let's go back to the email remember what you said Lee when I told you I was editing a video remember when I said that I told you I was editing a video and right now would not be a good time we can we can schedule something later you said and I quote you're editing a video come on now mr. Woods videos can wait y'all see that am I am I making this up am I am I making this up it's right there in the email this is this is this is your statement your email sir young man this is your email you want me to stop what I'm doing to engage you but when I tell you oh you don't want this then you turn around and let's go back let's go back you turn around and say some of us actually do work a normal job plus I'm a college student respect respect respect I have a job too I'm a content I'm a digital content creator and I and I mentioned that to you in the email so why you didn't respect my time and I was willing I was willing to accommodate you and we'll see ladies gentlemen you will see in this conversation further along further on in this conversation that I did just that which is why you and I are here today and he is not it must it must beat you up it must be it must be more important it's gotta be it's gotta be more important in my time has to be I mean I make time for a rando and the rando didn't show up so what does that tell you about his integrity what is it and make listen maybe maybe he got abducted by by you know al-qaeda I don't know maybe maybe you know and Tifa may have you know taken him under ransom I don't know maybe maybe he was abducted by aliens I don't know now this was this was yesterday dear this was this was earth listen this was at three between three and four o'clock in the morning this this young man hits me up on my channel in the comments and I just happened to be up because I was again working and preparing for these lives that I was doing this morning facts facts x facts but you know youngers don't don't care youngers don't care so let's get back to the let's get back to this conversation that I had with him shall we cuz I want you to get the gist of what of what this young man is about okay let me move this one over so you can see it so I responded back to him okay make sure I got the the first one right yeah yeah yeah okay here we go so I respond back to him that same the same morning so this was in the morning let me go over here sorry I said captain besides being a straight-up liar you're a joke and a clown I have no problem dropping receipts to expose a non-factor like you as a liar just like you have a job and are a college student I have a job as well making videos for a college student you sure are slower than cold syrup to fail to comprehend that so I'm supposed to stop what I'm doing so I can gamble with some rando I don't know when you say so instead of scheduling a date and time that's convenient for both of us get out of here with that foolishness that's why I said you're not that important in quote quote in quote and the grand scheme of things you're not like I said if you want to come up we can do this today which is this day this was early this morning this this comment that he and I were now having was early this morning I'm talking about 4 a.m. at least I get up I was on this computer working on editing videos and putting up my my clips that you all saw today those were the things that I was I was doing preparing to do three lives today is this Mr. Harvey is this him where you at oh wow praise white Jesus maybe this is him I sent you the link I sent you the link let me make sure people saw the link maybe this is Mr. Harvey yeah you missed it all right let me let me go ahead and and and and pull up what I sent you and let me share it for for the record because Lord knows I don't want to be accused of lying here's the link right here ladies and gentlemen there's the link right there Mr. Harvey look at the time stamp as promised Friday which is today May 10th I mean they can just give me March 10th 8 23 a.m. do y'all see that do y'all see that look under the name right here what that say right there what does that say right there right here you see that that's him right captain see that that's the name receipts don't lie believe you though I said quote here's the link to the green room for today's live discussion at 5 p.m. I know that's you I know that's you who else would it be Lee who else would it be who you totally missed it you think you think Lee did the link is there for you though sir the link is right there I'll wait for you oh no no no no it ain't nobody my bad no no no I need you here sir I need you here got to give the people get a people what they want yeah come on in come on in the room come on come on come on and don't you leave come on come on come on the doors of the cam are waiting for you sir won't you come won't you come won't you come there's the there's the link sir there's the link come on we have us just waiting for you down the aisles of the BCV chapel won't you come won't you come you don't need Twitter all you need is your device right there sir the doors of the BCV church are open for you won't you come won't you come I only have a few minutes well I listen Lee Lee Lee Lee Lee oh mr. Lisa now you told me sir you you told me mr. Lisa now you told me last night that you was gonna come on and I said okay sir I'm gonna send you the link it shows eyes bone it shows our bone I said I said mr. Lee Harvey you want this work I'm gonna give this work now I ain't gonna I ain't gonna play no games with you sir I told you I was gonna give this work and show enough by golly our show's gonna give it to you all I'm asking for you is to come on in mm-hmm in my first time mixing it up with white folk NASA NASA like let me see this excuse right here let's let's look at the excuses this mr. Lee say here mm-hmm well you know mr. Lisa I tell you what mm you say I totally didn't see the link and I got super busy at work well I tell you I knows the feeling there mr. Lee yes I knows the feeling but you know is what else I know I'm a man in my word yes yeah when I tell somebody I'm gonna do something that's what I was gonna do yes and I shows it to mr. bit I show am disappointed in you mr. Lee Harvey sir had all these good people here white folk black folk brown colored folk young folk old folk we all gathered all gathered here waiting on you made the thumbnail and everything had the little invitation and and all that waited for you and you kind of broke my heart there mr. Lisa yes sir yes you did and I was just wondering why would you make promises that you can't keep yeah that's what I think too mr. mr. Conrad senior Conrad I think that's what he's saying I ain't got time for you Negroes I just go ahead and say it probably saying niggas that's what he probably saying I wouldn't be surprised want to discuss the Kennedy assassin they know I want to assassinate you on my live sir I think you know you would be committing social media suicide if you would have calmed up but that's okay I'm gonna go ahead and read the rest of these comments so I can show the people the one thing I is not is a liar nothing not me not me but you sir your word ain't worth the piece of wet toilet tissue going down the toilet nothing you sir are the donkey of the day yes sir that's what you are can't take your word for nothing else in the mood there sir the whole world than seeing how you ain't worth nothing when it comes to making statements and promises that's okay let's get back to these comments though let's let's get back to his comments moderators y'all know what to do mr. Harvey escort mr. Harvey to the door and we'll go ahead and get back to these comments and then I'll let you all go why nobody want to come up when they make these statements defending their idols I don't know I don't get it I don't get it I do not get it but I kind of do when you don't have any bases to defend your sin 83 and the chat 34 likes can we double this up please if y'all don't mind I would appreciate it this one get people the get these algorithms up but let's continue on with this with this conversation since since he ain't wanting to come up but y'all go and see mr. quote-unquote Harvard to the door liars have no place and no part in the BCV temple that's fine if it was him or not that's it's cool it's all good no biggie no biggie just wanted just wanted people to know so far y'all saw the email I sent him the link this morning but let's let's continue with the conversation let's see I think we are on this slide I think let's see hold on wrap this thing up almost yeah okay at the bottom is what I said I said that's why I said you're not that important in the grand scheme of things you're not like I said if you want to come up we can do this today at one or two p.m. Eastern you have the email I sent stating that run the receipts Lee Harvey show the YouTube world what I said exactly he then says I'm sorry I continue on I said people who know me know how I get down when it comes to the seat young man if you want this work all you have to do is agree to come on my live today and let's do this a better yet since you're a college student how that made during recess and we can make something happen or since spring break is coming up we definitely can make something happen then but what you're not gonna do on my channel is flex like you somebody special that I should drop what I'm doing and give attention to then lie about it with no consequences go play with your kids Lee Harvey don't play with me what's he gonna be Lee we're doing this today or no camera for shut up then he responds right here right this is this is this is captain right this is who he is right here he says ooh big man you can't you couldn't take an hour away from editing your videos when you called me out perhaps your reading comprehension skills aren't up to par coward came up okay wait I gotta edit my videos yes you had me you had time you had me see yes you had time excuse me to email me back and forth for almost 45 minutes he says in lane right I responded back to him this is all this is all occurring this morning I said let the record show ladies and gentlemen that captain still hasn't agreed to come up with me today nor has he agreed to schedule a later date and time to do so if today isn't convenient for him who's afraid to come up me or Lee aka captain I'm trying to see something then the comment right here I'm not sure if I can make this wider or not but let's see he says I think the correct word you were looking for is with not with so I guess he's gonna be petty I was using slang but whatever continue on they're just showing the contact the conversation here alright let me make this one a little bit smaller bring this down I said nope I spelled it exactly the way I wanted it are we doing this today or not otherwise I'll just send you on your way and put you in troll time out indefinitely look at what he said at the bottom yeah I wasn't gonna be petty with him either though bro I wasn't I wasn't I wasn't gonna mention the fact that he said he couldn't he didn't spell minutes correctly I saw that too but I said let him make it but anyway look at the response that he made in the in the in the in the chat on my channel you all see it he said today exclamation exclamation exclamation 5 p.m. Eastern time so ladies and gentlemen 5 p.m. Eastern standard time is what time is what time central what time is that if he's 5 p.m. Eastern then that means he agreed to have this live at 5 p.m. Eastern standard time 4 p.m. Central standard time did I start the live did I start the live at 4 because right now it's 5 10 we're an hour and 10 minutes into this live and no call no show on Lee he says today 5 p.m. Eastern standard time send the link which is what I did y'all saw that y'all saw that's the screen and the question for you is what you're gonna do say go when the captain goes wild on you I guess he's a little hulk over right may want to grow up he's a young man so you know he's a young and a liar but just continue his other one more screen to show you he says let the record show the crusader didn't deny that he wouldn't came up with me because he was editing his video literally accepted his challenge right after he offered it scared say you're scared I'm here right am I am I here I think I'm here I respond to him later that that that morning which is today I said thank you finally I said now that wasn't too hard that wasn't hard to do rather that wasn't so hard to do now was it I'll email you the link today with instructions to the green room and this is the last comment this is the last comment ladies and gentlemen notice what you said right here he says I agree to this already but you insisted on the one but I'm sure you will admit that I said see you today at 5 p.m. Eastern standard time Lee and that was the conversation so again I ask you all who backpedaled who canceled who was a no-call no show was it me or was it me no email no heads up saying hey I'm running a little late if you mind if we start a little bit later anything like that no but again one clown don't stop the circus right don't stop the show so what I want to do now is I want to slightly pivot read it read a read an article and then I'll I'll let you all go with that this article I'm not sure if anyone's seen it before but I remember reading a little bit of it but I didn't I didn't really take too much time to go into depth with it but I want to read up I want to read a portion of this and because it ties into this whole situation with MacArthur it also ties in with to the fact that it's not just me that's making these claims and kneeling if you're there if you hear brother I really hope and pray that you're not being biased and you're not making excuse for clear sin okay I really hope and pray that you're not doing that because that's a dangerous game to play when when when sin like this it's clear and you don't deal with it or you excuse it then what else are you willing to excuse to be accepted okay now how we see that Eileen Gray scandal and situation it really should set a precedent to how we see sin period and why do I say that because what's the what is the purpose for church discipline is the question I'm gonna ask everybody here in the in the in the chat and also on Facebook Facebook family please chime in as well too what is the purpose for church discipline or let me go back that's the that's the second question the first question is when should church discipline be implemented that's the first question and then what is the purpose for it when should be implemented and what is the purpose for church discipline let's put our Bible hats on what's the purpose it was more than a fail my brother it was more than a fail it was more than a fail it was an egregious sin and it wasn't the only egregious sin that MacArthur committed this was just one scandal out of many so it's not just a fail we need to call it what the Bible calls it it was sin unrepentant sin so the question that I'm asking thank you Christina yes it was sin it wasn't a fail it was sin now how serious was the sin is the next question yes thank you David so so church discipline is supposed to occur when there is a refusal of repentance so let's address that what did Eileen Gray do that was a refusal to repent what does she do you know I don't want to have to go back into this again but I do believe it's important for us to address this what did Eileen Gray do that was warranted of her being under church discipline and being put out of the church her and her children what was it what was Eileen Gray's sin what was her sin anybody anybody remember anybody know what was her sin biblically what was Eileen Gray's sin does anybody remember Facebook family YouTube does anyone remember what was Eileen Gray's sin biblically answer you got it David nothing that was her sin that was her sin her sin was refusing to go back to an abusive situation let's qualify it an abusive husband and sexual predator later on that was her sin according to Grace Community Church according to John McArthur according to the elders there yeah that was her sin was it biblical no no no no no no brother no no no no no no you don't even see how the idolatry is meshed and into woven into what Eileen Gray what was done to her what was done to her isn't is an offshoot it is a result of idolatry of MacArthur they are afraid of this man he runs Grace Community Church brother do you not see this this is all into this is all intertwined this is all mixed nobody goes against John MacArthur and still has a a career at Grace Community Church no one goes against John MacArthur and has an education at Grace Community Church these are not made up stories brother these are facts this is this is a result this is the fruit of idolatry it's church discipline in the Bible yes it is absolutely 1st Corinthians 5 Matthew 18 1st Timothy 5 it's all there you have to see this for what the Bible says kneeling but this was also another thing also what she said was she'll take him back if the church takes him back and restores him in the position that they took him that he took from him and they refused she said okay well you're refusing to take him back and restore his position then why should I take him back I mean is that not a logical is that not a logical request if you want this woman to take back her abuser then you should take back the abuser and put him back in a position that he was removed from and they told her that's ridiculous you being you being irrational yes the idolatry kneeling is overwhelming when no one wants to hold him accountable for that and other cases that have come to light that's that's where the idolatry is coming from bro exactly exactly Christina idolatry was at the table when Eileen refused to allow herself and her children to continue to be abused you said don't question the head pastor that in itself is done idolatry statement yeah that's one of them yeah that's one of them David that's one of them yep you said I see what was done to her brother I see it that an agree I'm not trying to rehash I agree but okay but but the point we're trying to help you understand is is that that's just one of them that's just that's just one of the issues and it's not just it's not just one of the issues it's a serious issue very serious issue Manuel said what they done to this woman and her children was absolutely horrible and unbiblical and John MacArthur should step down yeah he should have been stepped down because it's not the first time I mean even with the Wendy Gray situation but let me go ahead and read this read this article and and I'll let you all see how serious this stuff was to even an individual who was a member I believe a grace community church or his dad was but nonetheless they were supporters of grace it was supportive of MacArthur and when all these things came out this is somebody I don't even know this is this is a blogger but he was a member of Grace Community Church what is what his dad his father and wife said kneeling all the stuff that I presented today by Phil Steve Justin they put Jay Mac almost at the same level of Jesus we're not fit to tie Jay Mac shoes is some of what we've heard matter of fact matter of fact I'll tell you that for a fact I'll tell you that for a fact one of the reasons I left the church I'm going to say the name we attended we were members of Founders Baptist Church here in spring Texas Pastor Richard Caldwell loves him some John MacArthur when I say loves him some John MacArthur I'm saying loves him some John MacArthur to the point to where this man took issue with Babylon be doing a satire on John MacArthur always being right he was Richard Caldwell was highly offended about over that he felt that John MacArthur should not have any type of satire done against him and just or what otherwise was highly upset I'm just saying so this this idolatry thing runs deep and wide it does it's bigger than Grace Community Church this thing is worldwide the idolatry of John MacArthur is worldwide and this pastor would cape for MacArthur to the point to where as when I made a tweet regarding John MacArthur being a pragmatist and his support of Trump in 2016 and I don't know if anybody remembers this video I believe they took it down now why they took it down at least I couldn't find it but I'll let you be the judge of that there was a video of MacArthur in a Q&A again one of these famous Q&A's and they were talking about the comparison of John MacArthur with Mark Driscoll and John MacArthur was raking Trump across the Coles I wasn't tripping because at the time I didn't vote for Trump because I didn't trust him I thought you just some type of he's gonna be you know typical you know politician or whatever that's gonna lie and all that kind of stuff I didn't trust him I didn't vote for him in 2016 I didn't trust him so when MacArthur was on a Q&A and he was he was dragging Trump and said how could any Christian vote for Trump does not morality matter anymore those were his words I don't have to make any of this stuff up and then come to find out during election season he changed his mind okay fine whatever whatever it was the excuse that he made he says I'm not voting for Trump I'm voting for a worldview okay but but you but you but you said over here how can any Christian vote for Trump does not morality matter I'm just saying just I had a problem with people changing their mind but change your mind based on facts don't change your mind because it's expedient now to do so so I made a tweet and I said no one is above correction no one I said no one is above correction and anybody can be a can be guilty of pragmatism including John MacArthur that's what I said and at the time Richard Carwell was my pastor when I attended founders he sends me a DM in on Twitter he sends me a DM on Twitter but no founders is in here in spring Texas too founders founders is an organization but founders Baptist church they have a church here in Houston actually in spring and that's what we attended I get a DM from from Carwell and he tells me that I need to be careful with my with my words I'm trying to remember everything he's basically said but basically it was a it was a it was a sub rebuke he basically told me I need to basically stand down from my comments and I had a conversation with him on it on the on Twitter I don't even know if I still have it I don't recall deleting it let's see let's see if I have the if I have the message may not be in my I think he went ahead and he probably blocked me but it's all good but I do remember I do have it in my draw box no not called what apologize no please absolutely not absolutely not please not Ricky Carwell Richard Carwell Richard Carwell yeah I was trying to pull up something but I guess it's not here I don't know about it should have been in here because I know I have it you know you be trying to find something and until you find it you be going crazy let's see yes here it is November 4th 2016 yep here it is I'm a going to share it this is the conversation right here I said even the most respected preachers aren't exempt from the danger of pragmatism including John MacArthur and the Vimeo video is gone the video video that that he said it was gone it's taken down okay and so Richard Carwell this is in 2016 excuse me sorry I did here what I just do what I do oh let me go back over here my fault duh thank you for the super chat I don't know who sent oh thank you for the super chat Britina thank you so much thank you thank you okay so he says in 2016 what am I doing what the heck I mean do that I keep doing that for me let me clear this out I'm trying to okay I was trying to clear my screen to make sure that I have the here we go okay sorry about that y'all as he says it's not pragmatism Seiko and I say it I say it lovingly you need to be careful throwing that term around you don't have to agree with him or me for my position is the same as his but pragmatism is a strong charge so I'm being accused of saying that MacArthur is being a pragmatist when a year ago in 2015 he was dragging Trump but then in 2016 come elections they come election season he basically flips he flipped so then he says let's see yeah he says but he says right here you don't have a clear biblical position on voting because the Bible says absolutely nothing about the form of government we have no the kind of responsibility of choices we have in such a government we aren't electing a king this isn't a kingdom and our vote isn't for a one man or woman I would never ask you to vote violate your conscience I would tell you don't but you need to be careful and I'm and I'm tripping I'm like just ten then he says just say you disagree with him no one will fault you for that I said I'm not the only one who believes in agrees it's pragmatic though people who know Jay Mac personally said the same thing and they just they're just surprised with his name as I am and he said I would say the same thing to them you know I love you thank God for you behind 100% on what you said but just be cautious you and I will give an account for every word let's just be wise state that you disagree and you have done just as much good from your point of view I understand and respect that but this is just an error where we're going to disagree regarding this issue you see that so I say that because this idolatry again runs deep that's my point the idolatry runs deep I need to be careful of calling MacArthur a pragmatist but MacArthur did a sermon on the dangers of pragmatism but I need to be careful on saying what he's guilty of doing when he's when he does it you see my point you see my point so let's get to this article let's get to this article yeah yeah yeah one thing yeah my wife yeah yeah bro and again thank you sister Bettina for that to a child do appreciate it yeah we I don't throw away receipts anymore I learned my lesson 20 some years ago I learned my lesson bro thanks to this woman that your Lord has given me yeah and I don't I don't throw away I'm a receipt hoarder now because you never know when folk a flip and trust me I had enough flippers had more flippers than see world nope nope he didn't come up RGC I'm just reading this article and then I'll let you go don't forget to tune in tonight at 9 p.m. central I'm gonna do a live stream summercast of the last conference and that well of the of the shepherd's conference for the for the year this is the third evening it'll be the last conference for the year and John McGarff is supposed to be speaking so so join me and join me here again tonight at 9 but here's the here's the link here let me go and share this again it's titled saying goodbye to John McGarff I'm it has anyone ever read this article before anybody anybody read this article before so this was last year April of 2022 he says John McArthur was my father's favorite preacher my dad a retired Baptist preacher used to order his sermon tapes and I remember listening to MacArthur in the car with him it was usually either MacArthur or the Eagles sermon tapes you eventually became sermon CDs and MacArthur was even sometimes on the radio my dad would give a little bit of money a month to grace to you MacArthur sermon audio business and in return he'd regularly get free books and sermons to me John McArthur was bigger than Billy Graham when I was a freshman in high school I started to devour Christian books I was always a reader but now I wanted theology I craved it and I loved learning more and more so I died into two authors just specifically C.S. Lewis and John McArthur even though I had listened to hundreds if not thousands of hours of MacArthur I hadn't ever really thought about Calvinism my dad wasn't the Calvinist but despite MacArthur being his favorite preacher so when I read MacArthur's hard to believe I was intrigued I didn't understand the doctrines of grace yet but it certainly sparked an interest this interest was a huge turning point for me I read some of MacArthur's books borrowing and stealing liberally from my dad's bookshelves some of my books that I have had for over a decade are probably my dad's my first study Bible was a John McArthur study Bible is still on my bookshelf and I decided to take a picture of it for this article it's full of notes and falling apart now I shouldn't have gone with the cardboard binding I used it until it fell apart and bought at least a few friends their own copies as gifts MacArthur led to Sproul Piper Packer and so on the floodgates were opening I was amazed by how many pastors there were for me to learn from I will fill my iPod Nano up and listen to thousands of hours of sermons from men ranging from MacArthur Piper Driscoll Sproul Chavision Chandler Lawson Big Platt Wilson Harris Robbie Mahaney and more like any young men I eventually became a bit tired and jaded with the young and restless stuff naturally I started reading the dead guys Calvin Hodge Owen badnik Augustine etc. I wanted something more historical and grounded not all of the new stuff was bad but you know and eventually one by one some of my former heroes had some troubles adultery abusive and controlling pride severely mishandling sexual abuse cases apostasy etc and some of course stood the test of time many did not I think I became pretty cynical for a reason but I did not learn a lot in this season but I did learn a lot in the season men are men at best don't make them your heroes learn from them but don't venerate them have affection for them not adulation don't make any man unquestionable these men make terrible empathetic gods even the best of them I later became very involved in anti-abortion ministry I heard stories from some of the old guard about one of my all-time favorite pastors stories that was shocking to me as well as terribly disappointing why goodbye the author rights John McArthur recommended and approved of what ended up being a vicious police action against abortion protesters I know some of those activists I know their hearts and though we may not see eye to eye on everything including their tactics I also know many of them were sinfully brutalized and you can learn more about this brutality here here and here and I have one of the videos that I queued up I think this is one I just I'll just share the link that's the link right here operation rescue this was in 1989 and I'll put this link up in the description below but let's continue you can see this small article right here I actually have I read this article and it is it is disheartening and heartbreaking to say the least it really is this is from the LA Daily News by Lisa Polk and again the link I'll leave below the writer says my faith in McArthur was severely rocked at about the same time I was having greater and greater concerns about McArthur dispensationalism and I'm not gonna read this part here I mean not because I don't want to talk about it but I'm dealing with the morality aspect of it dispensationalism is an eschatological issue it's not having a hell issue unless you deny or you are a hyper-preterist which believes that Jesus ain't returning then that's that's heresy and you're not a Christian but anyway so I want to continue to scroll down good good David yeah y'all can y'all can pull up the article yourself and read it's called saying goodbye to John McArthur that's the title of the article so he says here he says while I still respected much of his preaching I didn't consider McArthur a theologian I'd recommend at the same time my guts were twisted up on the inside thinking about his involvement in police brutality against pro-life activists it was weighing on me especially as I became more and more involved in activism so I quietly disproved him stopped reading him and stopped recommending his books but I didn't speak out not yet but then more came I heard about the McArthur affiliated organizations leaving a ministry financial accountability group while not for the sake of transparency joining a different similar group and this is the Lane Care the ECFA left that group I heard about his multiple houses I heard about how the organizations he fund he found it had their boards packed with his blood relatives and in-laws that's nepotism y'all that's a violation of Jane chapter 2 but we'll continue I heard about one of John McArthur's sons defunding or defrauding excuse me clients in a multi-million dollar scheme that son was also on the grace to you board of directors right here these are court documents ladies and gentlemen Mark McArthur John McArthur's son right here let's continue I said I heard about how grace to you gave out a peculiar no interest loan to a family member of his or how grace to you director also received a loan for personal use from the same organization he was leading these loans were also never paid back and then I recall that my family used to give money to this organization but not so a relative of John McArthur could buy a house without the cost of a down payment but because we wanted to support a ministry then I learned that the college and seminary McArthur founded the Masters University seminary was placed on probation by their accreditation agency due to financial and leadership failures the this probation was due in part to massive financial payouts to John McArthur's son-in-law Corey Welch John McArthur described this as an attack orchestrated if not by any humans but by Satan himself if y'all members here in the audio I played that before on one of these lives I've done the author continues then I heard about how ghost writers authors some of McArthur's books and how actual authors were not attributed you hear this Lina I hope you still here brother kneeling you said I heard about how ghost writers author some of McArthur's books and how actual authors were not attributed and how John McArthur's name was printed large on the front of as many resources as possible even if he had little to nothing to do with the actual work of producing it I want to read this for a second because I want you understand what ghost writing is do we need a code of ethics for mega pastors who write this is from Michael Bird and you and Galeon March 15th 2014 by Michael ever quote recently World magazine had a piece on unreal sales for Mark Driscoll's real marriage to the effect that the Mars Hill Church brought Driscoll's bought Driscoll's book a place on the New York Times notice bought bought bought Driscoll's book a place on the New York Times best seller lease the best seller list through a marketing company with a deliberate intent to bypass the New York Times own safeguards against publishers I mean authors and publishers artificially inflating the sales figures for their book this might even violate IRS rules and regulations about non-for-profits committing enurement enurement CT also has a piece on this where they link to Mars Hill's Church's official response to the issue to be honest I've had enough of mega church leaders pumping out books that they did not actually write or else deceiving the masses that their books are more successful than what they actually are let me say this it's not just Driscoll others do it too it is a well-known fact that John McArthur's books are not written by John McArthur but by Phil Johnson at GCC and Dick Mayhew we know that also as well from Dr. Dennis know that from him Dr. Dennis Watson the author says I don't see anything wrong with having research assistants or with making a concerted effort and at marketing a book that's fine I have students proof read my own stuff I ask friends and colleagues for feedback and get advice from editors also work hard at promoting my work on the blog YouTube social media and the like because I hope what I have to say will influence and help others however there should be limits if your name is on the cover then it means you wrote it not your staff secretary assistants lieutenants executive officer or minions if you had help in putting the book together then at least acknowledge the hard-working men and women who worked so hard to make you look good if your book gets on a best-seller list it's because people other than you your church and your lackeys actually went out and purchased a copy for themselves Christian leaders with big followings need to demonstrate integrity honesty refuse to engage in deception in order to promote themselves I know not everyone likes John Piper but at least he actually takes time out to write his own books even going on sabbatical to places like Cambridge UK read his piece on redeeming the time by writing truth just saying the authorites but let's continue back to this article just want you to get to just what ghost writing is and what it is not over the years I began to feel uncomfortable with men using their name as a ministry brand and about the same time I found out that Mcgroth used to have grave problems with the niv translation of the bible but then changes mind when the publisher offered to publish an niv john Mcgroth the study bible and then I found out that Mcgroth didn't even write much if not most of the notes in the study bible with his name printed on the front the very same study bible that was my first then I heard Mcgroth to say that any real true believer would be on Trump's side this comment was made only a few years after he previously strongly rebuked Trump's abject immorality and spoke on the importance of morality when voting for a civil leader told you I'm not making this up but you can't find the video anymore of him backpedaling and changing his mind then I heard John Mcgroth to declare from the pulpit that there is no pandemic I heard this when my brother was in the hospital due to the pandemic as it turns out Mcgroth and his wife had COVID a few months later as there's several members of his church and they tried to hide that too by the way I had heard rumors about sexual and physical abuse problems at great community church where Mcgroth the pastor but this year was clarifying on this issue when a woman was publicly shamed and excommunicated from great community church for remaining unreconciled with from an abusive husband through this ordeal it became public knowledge that GCC had or has is unclear a policy stating that it's up to the church's discretion to report crimes confessed to during counseling sessions this policy includes crimes against children do you hear this in this case and we know it's true because it has happened in this case the church was aware of the physical abuse of children from perhaps both parents but failed to notify the proper authorities later it was revealed that the husband who was sexually molesting the children though the husband is in prison for for for S crimes GCC continues to support him not the wife and we still gonna let this go right okay all right all right now it was unclear how Mcgroth personally knew about this case but he publicly declared the S communication claiming ignorance is not acceptable at that point you take on that responsibility when you take on that authority we cannot and must not divorce authority from responsibility next we have a case of a of a GCC pastor essaying his daughter we know that John Mcgroth was aware of this abuse and we know that the abuse was not reported to the proper authorities John Mcgroth however did write a letter to the abused girl apologizing for the quote unquote problem she had been through Mcgroth also wrote concerning the child abuser quote i'm quoting and it's in the letter at the bottom i've also read that as well too and the girl's name is wendy at the time quote he has been a faithful part of our staff and will continue to be in the future in quote do you see that do you see that oh but it's been years ago okay has been repented of once once the scene has been brought to our attention by God's quote unquote providence right right Calvinists right reformers we who believe that God is sovereign and his providence works in all situations right is it's not providence that these issues are coming up because they have not been resolved biblically just asking Mcgroth has said he which is his the father he is he has he's been a faithful part of our staff and will continue to be in the future the pastor remain at gcc for three more years before being caught kissing a church secretary i wish i could david but you know copyright and you two be tripping further another case involves and i forgot about this one i don't know how i missed this one but this story right here further another case involves a gcc Sunday school teacher who kidnapped an s8 multiple children multiple not just one but multiple children the Sunday school teacher confessed to as s crimes against children to a gcc pastor years before surrendering police he was found guilty of five counts of s a and one of kidnapping before a plea bargain was made the original charges included over 30 counts of s crimes 30 counts during that time during the time after confessing to a gcc pastor and before his arrest he kidnapped at least one child and was seen cruising around an elementary school he turned himself into police two years after confessing to a gcc pastor theologically the failure to report crime is a jurisdictional issue jesus reigns over all spheres of life but the role of the civil magistrate is not the church's role the state should not administer the lord's supper or perform church discipline likewise the church should not usurp the duties of the civil magistrate by attempting to address criminal behavior on its own failure to a failure to understand and practice these distinctions is not only a failure in theology but can directly lead to injustices you think in one of the above cases the failure to affirm and practice proper jurisdictional theology directly led to a kidnapping there are tangible risk to real people i publicly shared some of these concerns before and even written about a few of them even this article pulls heavily from a recent twitter thread of mine i haven't been silent but at least previous to my twitter thread i have stopped short of this kind of statement so though i personally and privately said goodbye to john mcgoth a years ago i'm saying goodbye yet again today i have a very heavy heart writing this in many ways john mcgoth has positively influenced my life he has absolutely contributed to the kingdom of god and i'm sure god has used his preaching to save souls and teased the sheet he has been like a theological grandfather to me it would be a beautiful and glorious thing for the kingdom of god for the church to receive a clear display of humility regarding these matters that is my hope how glorious would it be to see repentance transparency correction and a renewed commitment to truth justice and accountability i yearn for that repentance accountability and transparency i want mcgoth's legacy to stand tall i do not want john mcgoth to be the bad guy yet on the other hand mcgoth's tarnished legacy is not the true victim yes it's good to mourn having to say goodbye to a former giant in your life but when women and children have been harmed by the policies and actions of mcgoth and his organizations it is they we should have compassion for most of all the name of jesus christ is tarnished the living god will be and has been mocked and scorned because of these various issues paul was wise as well as divinely inspired when he wrote quote more over he must be well thought of by outsiders so that he might may not fall into this grace into the snare of the devil first him in 337 yes the world can hate christians because of our faithfulness and there are certainly some of that going on to be but to be hated for unfaithfulness while being a representative christ it's all together another thing i do not wish for further evidence of shortcomings in sin seeing this near steady stream of testimonies and hard evidence brings me no joy the hatred many show for mcgother brings me no joy the defenses of mcgother that are nearing fanaticism if not already there also bring me no joy i want the man i grew up listening to to be the man i thought he was i yearn for the days of sermon tapes and drives with my dad that's what i want i can't have that but we can pray and hope for repentance and restitution that's how we show love and honor to john mcgother anyone harmed but most of all king jesus and then he puts this disclaimer at the bottom and i read it for the record no it's not it's not han show who wrote this this is uh this is from lambsrain.com it's a blog title saying goodbye to john mcgother you can pull it up oh yeah i'm sorry to you somebody else my fault but let me read this disclaimer he says i know that there are other there are other issues and examples i could have listed don't take me don't take this as me denying those things do not use this article to express scorn or hatred for john mcgother if you do you've missed the point anger doesn't have to be hateful on julie roiz as well so the article here ended up reading the whole thing it's title saying goodbye to john mcgother by john reisner john reisner r e a s n or didn't you say it's so disappointing that is why there is a need for real accountability partners and not tan boys hey man nila nila what's the problem bro well i mean what's the problem because now i'm concerned about you what what what's the problem i mean what what more do you need to see what what more do you need to see does this have to happen to your child your daughter your loved one before some of us start saying ouch because it's not our toothache we don't say anything or we don't really care or we don't we don't stand with those who are trying to hold people accountable for what they do i mean if you have not done your research and done your homework brother you need to do it because i i'm not going to hold anybody's hand i can all i'm doing is presenting and this is just a this is just a little smidgen of what's out here and none of these things have been taken seriously by grace by macArthur by none of them kerry hardy told eileen gray that she needed to go back to her abuser and when she said no they put her out a man christina yeah i mean why wouldn't he so again i'm just putting this information here it's it's up for you all to to do your work and be a berean and examine everything carefully how fast that was just true that's it just going through the comments again thank you all for the super chats those of you have who donated thank you so much joe you said kneeling seriously j mac wrote a personal note to the daughter aware she was being awed by her dad a clergyman who worked for him what else would you like to see a murder report i mean bro and you got it you have to you have to understand people's people's frustration right now bro you got to understand this i mean this is you know you know the bible the bible tells us that we are to defend the weak and the helpless that's that's where that's what we're called to do and i don't live in california and that's why i read to you all uh in the earlier live 1st Corinthians 12 20 1st Corinthians 12 12 to 27 Paul says when one member suffers we all suffer when one member rejoices we are rejoicing that's that's how connected we are to the body of christ when we are aware of issues when we are aware of abuses when we are aware of injustice and i'm talking i mean i ain't talking about this injustice so you see people trying to push and promote on tv i'm talking this right here ladies and gentlemen is injustice this is injustice and what's ironic here's what's ironic and sad and comical if it were funny and it's not these same people when i when i see virgil when i see daryl two black brothers push against the social justice movement the sjw's and they're fake not not them meaning uh daryl and and and just and daryl and virgil being fake i'm talking about the sjw's being fake their fake claims when they when they expose the social justice warriors and and and in fact uh daryl debonar harrison today he did a a session on the spiritual deception of wokeness that was that was his that was his sermon in the seminar that he had today for the shepherd's conference when i when i hear these brothers talk about social justice when i hear these brothers talk about woke theology and when i hear these brothers talk about how we are to pursue biblical justice i would agree that's what we're supposed to so when i see that they know that there has been an injustice and it is right in front of their face it's right in their face what have these brothers said regarding the abuse or abuses of eileen gray wendy gway and others that they are aware of i have not heard one podcast i have not heard a red one blog when i go on twitter and i see daryl benard harrison and i see him liking comments and defense ojama garther my antennas go up my antennas go up it goes way up because it makes me wonder if you are the dean of social media now i'm not gonna ask y'all to make that one make sense that's the new job title you're the dean of social media because phil johnson puts you on to grace community church and so now you're the dean of social media so let's let's just give you that title let me let me just give you that title brother daryl if you're the dean of social media then that presupposes that you see what's going on on social media especially when it comes to john macarthur especially when it comes to grace community church especially there you're going to be hard-pressed you brothers are going to be hard-pressed to prove to me that you are not aware of the eileen gray situation that you're not aware of the wendy gray situation that you're not aware of the han cho situation and y'all have not done any response to it see again i know it takes cashews i know it takes spalding to speak out against the one who's paying your check who's writing your checks and signing them i understand i get it don't agree but i understand i've been i've been in that position before had to take a stand ended up having to haven't to quit my job because they wanted me to violate not just company policy but they wanted me to violate my conscience which has been informed by the canon of scripture aka the word of god so you're not talking to somebody who's never been on that road i have so these people know what's going on why do not say anything only god knows we can we can we can kind of guess and speculate based on the circles that these people weren't i mean if if if you had surgery life-altering surgery do you think you're going to go against the hand that feeds you when you didn't have insurance and your and your medical bills were astronomically high and i'm not dunking or dissing i'm just stating the fact it was public so i can talk about it publicly let's just let's just keep it a stack here ladies and gentlemen it voted bachem almost died and praise god he's still alive that god restored his life and his health but if you are making public appeals for the body of christ to help you financially and i'm not against that at all because i believe the body of christ should help the body of christ the body of christ is supposed to help the body its members the bible says we have not because we ask not if you make an appeal number one for prayer which now precipitated a gofundme account to be created for you to have your medical bills and your medical procedure covered not knocking that not knocking that at all i rejoice and praise god that the body came came and pulled up praise god for that that's how the body is supposed to be more can be done when everyone who are able and who is able to do their part much more can be done he clearly actually says two is better than one right because he had more reward for their labor with that assistance with that help i'm not i'm not dumb i'm no fool i've been in pastoral ministry i've been around this these church streets to know that some people do for you so they can remind you of what they do for you and they don't even have to remind you they do it because they know that you know that they did it for you and sometimes those things are hanging and dangling over your head so that when there is issues that come up and drop and scandals arise you better not open up your mouth you remember what we've done for you i'm just putting that out there did it happen like that don't know but what am i surprised if it if it did nope because i've seen it happen before so when you have people help you when you when you have when you've already stated publicly you cannot afford that you you cannot pay for this procedure and then in a matter of days maybe a couple weeks give or take is covered and these are the people that you're running with you tell me i mean let's let's let's put it this way what if i what if i was a what if i was a a street dude and what if i was tied to a gang i needed help and i'm known within these these circles do you think i'm gonna go to somebody i don't know i'm gonna go to people that i know they got that bread they can make those moves make those those things happen you're not gonna bite the hand to feed you yeah they're not gonna say anything i mean listen they're cutting checks with these people i'm not stupid and some of y'all don't need to let them play y'all for stupid just look around just watch observe that's all you have to do and then you can you can you can draw your conclusions based on the facts i mean why why hasn't votey said anything you gonna tell me he doesn't see it these people talk about everything else they talk about everything else they they can talk about the black community they can talk about woke theology they can talk about racism and and critical race theory they can talk about all this stuff they can talk about the alphabet community they can talk about all these things but nobody wants to talk about this stuff that's right in your face i mean the elephant is in the room and he's making a mess and he stinks and pulporee ain't gonna help it opening up the windows aren't gonna help it it's not gonna help and i don't believe this elephant is gonna go away i don't believe god's gonna let this elephant go away because just when you did with one elephant another one comes the first elephant was eileen gray now the second elephant to our knowledge because there's more cases and i've seen some of them and then and then was contacted last night from people who want to talk to me about other cases and they don't even know me but they've seen my videos so i'm just telling us admonishing us exhorting us to be wise i mean can we please see what's actually going on and stop caping for corruption stop caping for sin stop trying to sanitize sin i mean this is it's really sad when we think about it judo you said what i'm saying is the key reason why that we the church are so powerless in society we we are heroes in our echo chambers and we keep preaching to the choir amen amen it is unfortunate but you know what um joe i think you had to ask the question and and i believe let me scroll up let me scroll up and i'll i'll read your question and now and i want to i want to put some more i want to put some more teeth to it if you don't mind let me let me put some teeth in one of the things you were asking about let me find your comments sis i hope you're all all right then i'm not trying to end this on a somber note but i but i want to end it the way the lord is calling us to end it kneeling i brother bro again i don't i don't know i don't know what else you need to see i mean they don't want to talk to anybody i i i mean i gave you all the the receipts just is not trying to talk to anybody field is not trying to talk to anybody macArthur definitely ain't trying to talk to anybody and why would he he has his handlers he has his listen he has his lackeys he has his sink events he has his listen he had a soldiers he don't need to but it this is the same man that wants to hold and wanted to hold bill uh billy graham and others accountable i mean come on he wanted to hold robert shuler accountable and all these people but now it's his turn to be held accountable for clear violations of sin and his fanboys will pull up faithfully every time defending them so i don't know what else to tell you my brother i really don't so here's your comment sister joe i want to read this i want to i want to put some teeth to it okay you said is it possible to organize a letter to gcc asking that the elder should repent or at least apologize for their absolute neglect with the body of christ placed in their care will they care yeah you can do it believe me this i'm i'm not trying to be a debbie downer or kill joy but it ain't gonna happen his reason why it's not gonna happen they already had an elder one of their own elders that they requested elder han chou they requested and gave him the assignment and the task to investigate the eileen gray case because they said we want to find out what you discover we want to hear what you have to say what you discover and your findings regarding this overall situation how do we handle it do we handle it or right or do we handle it wrong and when the report came back and it was not in their favor macArthur told this man forget it now sister you tell me does that sound like a person who's open to repent and in fact thank you dear julie royers wrote an open letter to macArthur and don't think people like phil johnson and others did not see this they hate this woman for no reason and in this in this regard i would have to i would have to agree with ruse line in this in this regard if the church were doing its job there would be no need for a julie royers i agree if the church or to be the true shepherds and guardians of the flock julie would need to do what she's doing she can she can focus on other stuff but you have a woman checking men because men refuse to be men make that make sense coming off as disrespectful and being disrespectful are two different things i want to know what's the sin that julie has committed because i have i have yet to see it everybody wants to talk about what julie is doing but nobody wants to talk about what j mac has done and what j mac has done is the reason why julie is doing what she's doing and oh by the way nobody was tripping when she was going at james mcdonough when she was going at ravie zekarias when she was going at mark driscoll nobody in the reform camp nobody in the reform community said a word to that woman not one of you not one of them as you said wait a darn minute you get mad at black people about ignoring oj for his athletics but ignore john macArthur for his reform excellence is it not the same hypocrisy where karen how's she engaging in gossip how so sir how is how is she engaging in gossip kneeling you've already heard from the defense bro you've already heard from them they say they don't have nothing to say i mean do you not get this what it's so hard for you to get bro seriously because now i'm getting frustrated you act like this is the first time we've had this conversation bro you want to hear from the defense defense has nothing to say that's their statement that's their comment dude it's like it's like it sounded to me like you kept me for them why they've made their case they don't have one the man was convicted and he's in jail right now in prison for life he appealed his case and they denied it because they had that they have just that much evidence kneeling to hold to their conviction on what this man did to his wife and particularly his children did you read the report that this what this man did to those babies did you read the report because if you haven't read the report kneeling you need to do your work bro seriously i'm talking about i ain't talking about what i'm what i'm sharing with you you need to read and do your work and i say that lovingly but i'm saying it as a man bro get on your job get on your job bro stop making excuses for these people if julie roas were lying they would approve that she was lying phil johnson hasn't proved the thing justin peters haven't proven the thing not not one of them all they're calling her as a liar she's a slanderer she's she's jealous she's an evil woman she's an egalitarian she's this she's that like come on bro come on come on bro what are you talking about what are you talking about because nobody's feeling you right now nobody you tell what you want to hear from them you're not going to hear from them kneeling they already told you they don't respond to accusations public accusations they said that on the record bro where have you been where have you been when the defender doesn't show up in court what happens the judge rules in favor of the plaintiff and of the plaintiff jmac gcc has an answer to the thing they were they they're not going to answer did you read their opening did you read their statement they said about this they said they're not going to respond to this stuff they believe it's a church issue where the church issue didn't handle it that's why the government is handling it and that's why they have handled it Dave you said no comment no comment did it go away yet no okay get our lab dogs to do character assassinations on those exposing us call dear world christian and bible thumping weenut they'll pander to us facts facts and that's what's going on and that is what's going on so now you have jenna ellis defending macarthur as though that's supposed to be something that's that's a game changer doesn't matter and let me let me let me see if i can let me see if i can really shake y'all up and then i'ma let y'all go because i think we i think we we've we wouldn't weigh over our time two hours 25 minutes let me just let me just say this macarthur's characters are already tarnished bro i don't know let's tell you on that you're gonna have to work that on y'all they're not going to resolve it they're not going to address it that's why they get rid of that's why they get rid of honcho kevin that's why but let me let me leave you all with this question let me leave you every last one of you with this question and then i'm i'ma tap out until until tonight and see if you see if macarthur speaks which i wouldn't be surprised if he if he does because he gonna try to make him go out and in blaze of glory i need to ask every last one of you a question and i'm letting y'all go okay how many of you how many of you believe that the transatlantic slave trade not indentured slavery the transatlantic slave trade was sin was immoral was wicked how many of you believe that the transatlantic slave trade was a wicked and evil thing that happened in our country how many of you believe that one or yes you put one or yes two or no in the chat how many of you believe it how many of you believe it i'm gonna i'm gonna go deeper a little bit more how many of my white brothers and sisters believe that how many of my white brothers and sisters are in the chat i need to see you i need you to step up come on howl at me how many of my white brothers and sisters i know i know it's black folk we know we know it was wicked we know it was sinful and oh by the way footnote black people weren't the only slaves in this country it was some white folk that were slave by black folk they were and black people and slave black people too just read Anthony johnson's story you can pull it up anyway just want to put that out there but nonetheless but but but predominantly so it was black folk that were enslaved in this country so so so so so my white brothers and sisters those of you who are in the chat you believe that the slave trade here in this country was a wicked and evil thing right and japanese thank you for honest and japanese absolutely matter of fact let's let's let's sweeten the pot a little bit the internment camps in world during world war two where japanese were put in internment basically were in prison because they were japanese they were seen as suspect let's just be let's just be fair native america let's just put it all in there let's put the whole pot of gumbo in there black japanese natives the indians let's put them all in there right okay and you found out and discovered that people that you do that you are fellowshiping with were responsible for the barbaric enslavement of your people good book good book holocaust too yeah yeah yeah yeah all of it and so so so i just want to talk about in our country just in our country for so far so here's my question here's my question they never apologized for the wickedness and the evils that they did to you and your family and and and you know and and and these people their ancestors and their families they all thrive on this thing i mean they they they're their their views of this type of thing never changed and and you've been made aware of it what would you do what would you do what what would you say what would you say just ask it you've been made aware that people for years have done your people wrong sinned against them and they had yet to make it right can i can i go a little bit further you have theologians you have theologians who your brothers and sisters who are white who are white affirm affirm who they are and their doctrines of who you are and what you are not in these racist eyes like ariel dabney phil johnson john macarthur they affirm a racist again phil johnson says that ariel dabney is his favorite theologian have y'all read dabney's writings have y'all read what this man believes and what this man teaches and thinks and says about black people but because he wrote great theological works they give it a pass now do they give it a pass they don't even mention it and they want you and i to act like it doesn't exist jonathan edwards yes he wrote sinners in the hands of angry god yes he wrote religious affections yes he wrote it but he also own slaves did he treat them bad don't have to treat them bad if you're stealing them i can steal your dog or steal your car and take care of it better than you does that make it right if i have a pattern of stealing your cars and stealing your merchandise and stealing your stuff and then i take care of it i i i you know i value it i do all that it's how i got it though is the question are y'all following me come on talk to me everybody you don't get quiet now what's the difference what's the difference what's the difference of me stealing from somebody that i know what i stole does not belong to them i take care of it i treat it as though it's my own i treat it as if it's my own feed it cloth it wax it buff it shine it garage it tarp it trick it out chrome it out whatever why do you believe a thief is in heaven kevin why did he repent are you telling me that these men who wrote all these works did not know that the eighth commandment was a violation of scripture i'm just asking and if you say they were a product of their time so are we so are abortionists in heaven just asking if we're gonna go with the product of the time thing 20 plus million of my people have been have been massacred since 1973 over 65 million total of all babies in this country just asking if if if stealing another human being isn't a violation of the eighth commandment then hey so a born again christian practices sin that was your saying kevin because he was how you know that you say you honestly think edwards and witfield are here what i'm going about what they've done i'm going about what they've done you tell me why could anybody it can isn't is a person who aborts babies as a pattern of life are they in heaven just asking what's the difference of what's the difference of snuffing somebody's freedom and snuffing somebody's life because both have to do with freedom babies aren't free to live with an abortionist enslavers don't believe that people are free to exist as free men and women how did edwards obey the gospel of christ tell me how how did it was how did edwards practice the second greatest commandment tell me yeah y'all see y'all see how this goes it's always it's always our favorites it's always our favorites that we try to keep for it's always our favorites that we that we try to keep for it sure was not grace 82 it sure was not it sure was not thank you bro keyword is pattern no i don't believe all robert's is a christian see i see i strive to be consistent with me with my with my positions i look at their life that's that's what i i look at their life i look at when sin is made known how do we respond to it are they making confessions are they making excuses i i agree judo i agree but because i'm saying if if y'all are saying that john than edwards and these enslavers is because they took care of take care of me by letting me go how about that yeah how about that oh i can't do that really okay so so the eighth commandment doesn't matter when god says it does matter so god is a lie i guess okay what do i know i'm just some ignorant black dude that just learned how to read but anyway two hours and 37 minutes been y'all y'all man y'all y'all love it brother that much huh but listen i want to let y'all go because i want you to come back we're gonna close out tonight with uh with the live uh with macArthur and um and see how the the conference ends and go from there uh what about me what about martin luther being antisemitic again why why would anybody the man said that their their synagogue should be burned that's not like the same stuff that was happening in civil rights error people were bombing and burning churches whatever whatever i'm just gonna let y'all out listen i'm gonna let y'all make it i'm gonna let y'all make it because some of y'all's theology and understanding of of who god is in his word it just it kind of it's kind of making me look at y'all sus that's all i'm gonna say that's all i'm gonna say i i i would hate to have some of y'all during slave days and we were still slaves because because i wouldn't i wouldn't i wouldn't expect for y'all to treat us like anybody so anyway but anyway let me let y'all go again uh join me again tonight at nine nine p.m um central standard time uh the shepherd's conference starts at seven starts at seven uh pacific standard time so we're two hours ahead of california uh if you're a central three hours if you're eastern and so we're going to uh we're going to end this live come back lord willard um this evening nine o'clock if you can we'd love to have you back in and we're going to do a live summer cast and we're going to close out the uh the weekend or close out this this week uh with a uh live stream um may do a video tomorrow we'll see but nonetheless we'll we'll take it and play it by uh play it by ear but anyway again like this video share this video like to support the ministry financially love life matters with the woods as well you can do so by clicking the donation links below at the bottom uh of the bit of this video you like to become a body lifer you can do so as well you can support this ministry uh as you wish periodically uh by clicking the donation links below at the bottom of the video thank you so much for the super chats those who have contributed via the super chats thank you so much for uh your support thank you moderators for holding it down once again two down one to go y'all know the drill whatever you do do all the glory i've got see you at 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