 All right, we should be good to go. All right, thanks. Okay, everyone, welcome to the Amherst Design Review Board meeting of November 27, 2023. My name is Erica Zekis and as the chair of the Amherst Design Review Board, I'm calling this meeting to order at 5.03 p.m. This meeting is being recorded and will be made available via the town of Amherst's YouTube channel. Minutes are being taken. Pursuant to Chapter 20 of the Acts of 2021 and extended again by Chapter 2 of the Acts of 2023, this meeting will be conducted via remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so via Zoom or by telephone. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time via technological means. A hyperlink to the hearing will be posted on the town's online calendar. Board members, I'll take a roll call and when I call your name, please answer affirmatively. Catherine Porter. Here. Lindsay Schnarr. Here. Karen Winter. Here. Pat Oth. Present. And Eric Aziz. I'm present as well. Board members, if technological, if technical issues arise, we may need to pause temporarily to fix the problem and then continue the meeting. If the discussion needs to pause, it will be noted in the minutes. Please use the raise hand function to ask a question or make a comment. I'll see your request and call on you to speak. And after speaking, please remember to remute yourself. The general public comment item is reserved for public comment regarding items that are not on tonight's agenda. Please be aware the board will not respond to comments during general public comment period. Public comment could also be heard at other times during the meeting when deemed appropriate. Please indicate that you wish to make a comment by clicking the raise hand button when public comment is solicited. If you've joined the meeting using a telephone, please indicate that you wish to make a comment by pressing star nine on your phone. Please identify yourself by stating your full name and address and put yourself back into mute when finished speaking. Residents can express their views for up to three minutes or at the discretion of the board chair. If the speaker does not comply with these guidelines or exceeds their allotted time, their participation will be discontinued from the meeting. Tonight's agenda includes the following. We have one application, DRB FY 20, 2408, Town of Amherst, revisiting the ADA compliant accessible trail at the former Hickory Ridge Golf Course. We'll then have approval of meeting minutes, public comment period, and any other business not anticipated. So if we are ready to get started and I see that we have Mr. Zomek in the audience, we could jump in. Hi Dave. Hi, good evening everybody. I thought it was. And I'm joined by Jennifer Mullins. I thought it was better to unbler my background just to show the great architecture here in town hall. But anyway, I think Jennifer, you know, I was I was hoping that she could kind of take the lead in revisiting some of those items that that you all wanted us to follow up on. There were some questions about sign detail, bridge detail, kiosk detail, and a few others. And I think Jennifer's is well prepared to do that and I'm happy to answer any questions around the edges. That's okay with with you. Yeah, thanks so much, Jennifer. Are you able to share your screen. I believe I am. Okay, great. And thank you both for coming back so quickly and sharing all this info with us. Sure. So I have a number of documents here that I, you know, I don't know in what order but I'll just go ahead and start this is a, an example of a, of a kiosk that is already this is the type of kiosk that the town would install. This one I believe is that the podic coal. I hate to interrupt, but I just want to let you know that what I think we're seeing your kind of your folder icons and not a big image on the screen. Oh, okay. Let me try again then. I might have to open up the individual documents before sharing them. Which is going to, you know, it just makes it a little bit. All right, let me try. Okay. So here we go. This is a sample of a key, the kiosk. This is the one that I was speaking of when, when you weren't seeing it. Can you see it now. Yeah, it's, it's tiny, but we can see it. Maybe you can. Yeah. Let's see what we can do here. Resize the image. I can make it bigger. I think we can get the idea though, regardless. Yeah. I have, I have it in another form. If you just want to hold on, I can. Yeah, sure. A bunch of these have, you know, they came to me in a form and I've tried to manipulate them as well as I could. Let's see what we have here. Sorry, this is taking. They're going away. Okay, now let's see if you can see this one. This might be also small. But it's, I don't know how to make it bigger for this application. I'm sorry I can do it on my computer, but I don't know how to make it bigger for you guys. Jennifer, actually, if you look at the top right part of your screen. So I'll say click cancel. So right there to your right. Yep. You see a little magnifying glass next to where it says 100% top right. Right there. Yep. There's a little magnifying glass with a plus sign on it. If you click on that, it'll zoom in for you. A magnifying glass here. Yep. Yep. To the left of that number 100. I just have dots that say more. More. Am I looking? I don't see a 100. I have more slide control. I can assign control privileges to you. There you go. And if you want to. It's not working for me either. Yeah. I guess it's the best we'll get for, for zoomed in for now, but I've got it zoomed in on my screen. So why don't I share for this one? And then You can drive for the rest of them. How does that sound? Oh, wow. That's great. Yeah. So I've got the kiosk. Then you sent this one. Yeah. And I did. I sent them to Rob ahead of the meeting. Yeah, that's why. Okay. Perfect. Oh, that's great. Yep. So you got it. Thank you. That's beautiful. All right. The floor is yours. Well, if you, if this is the kiosk one that, okay, so we've already kind of discussed it in various forms as we're poking through it. This is a kiosk that already exists in another town property. And this will go up in the. Spot where in the last meeting, we sort of showed a map where we have. There are different items shown on a key that. You know, where this will go, but this it'll be in the accessible like right near the parking lot when you come in so that you'll be able to see. The map of the, of the area where people, you know, the trails, there's the one trail that goes off if you're in the parking lot looking at say looking at this kiosk, there's going to be a trail. Off to the left and a trail kind of off to the right. And this is, if I could add this is pretty standard, you know, trail kiosk, we're trying to standardize them across town. Unfortunately, we've got different generations, different styles. It actually drives me crazy a little bit when I go to different conservation areas and I see them but they are very expensive and we're just trying to standardize them across town. We're also trying to standardize what we put on these kiosks. We're working with the Kestrel Trust. They have helped us purchase and fund many of the conservation areas in town so they have a pretty good trail. Template that we are trying to work with them on and so we would have standard rules and regulations hours of operation. And a trail map on the kiosk as Jennifer said when you first arrive at Hickory Ridge and park and disembark from your car and then enter the trail system. Okay, so yes, this is a good one too because it shows not only the kiosk but it shows the sign that would be posted out by the road out on West Pomeroy to indicate that there is, you know, a conservation area. Again, we're trying to standardize these we have not put these into production yet, but ultimately we would have one of these at every conservation area in town so it's easily visible from the road from both directions standardized. Same colors using the town of Amherst seal at the bottom and town of Amherst and the name of the conservation area. Where the red block is. Similar to the trustees of reservations they should have said that is the trustees of reservation sign, which is at all of their, their properties throughout Massachusetts. And you sent this one that's labeled kiosk detail I see that there are some other details on here but I assume that that's just showing us the construction. Okay. I think you would asked, you know on the map it did show the potential for a kiosk in the future we don't have fun, excuse me not a kiosk a structure shade structure. We don't have funding for a shade structure at this time in the grant. But we will, in all likelihood, at least create a pad of a crushed stone pad that could be could be finished if you will in the future, and have some sort of a pavilion added to the park conservation area in the future. I think Dave. Similarly, there's a, there's a sample of a bench up here. But the bench design has not been decided on. So I know we talked the last time about various different bench options, but we still don't have a bench design that has been agreed on, or that you know that has been decided on. We can reproduce. The reason for that is we're not quite in the bidding stage yet. We're we're beginning to pull together bid documents, and we're still going our team is still kind of going back and forth and looking at different designs. So we're going to go with a with a fairly simple design it needs to be durable. We are not going to this shows I believe I can't see the detail but I believe it shows a poured concrete footing, we are not going to, you know, likelihood pour a full, a full slab under these benches that would be more more of an application for recreation area like golf park or community field. We're going to do some sort of, these will be attached to, you know, poured in place a sonnet tube or, you know, for sonnet tubes or something like that. We're really grappling a little bit with what is the conservation look versus kind of what is a more urban recreation look, any recommendations or, or benches that you all as as your, you know design quite well we're trying to get that feel something like the benches at grove park versus or, or contrasted with something like at the Conti trail over in Hadley. Those most of those bridges are kind of built in place built into the railing of that trail at Conti at the US Fish and Wildlife Service refuge. And they're just, most of them I think are really just pressure treated two by fours they're they're quite nicely done they're done with accessibility in mind, of course we will be doing that as well. But we really haven't found exactly what we want and like yet so any recommendations you might make to us in writing will will certainly be taken into consideration fully. All right, thank you. And Jennifer, do you want to take back over the screen share or do you want me just to click through the additional documents that we have here for you today. I mean, you might as well go ahead because I think it's, it's in a much more concise format on your computer on mine they're all different, they're all different types of files. And so this is the bicycle rack detail. This is going to be placed in the parking area near probably near the kiosk or, you know, somewhere off the actual where the cars would travel but visible when you first come in. There is a bylaw requirement that requires bicycle racks to be placed in areas where there is parking specific number of spots so this is going to satisfy that requirement as well as encourage, you know just in general encourage people to utilize the trail system via their bicycles and and with their bicycles. I think it's likely we would have more than one of these given the size of Hickory Ridge and the length of the trails, and the number of people who may bike on them. I think the DRB has seen these presented for the Podic coal conservation area parking or trailhead and parking as well as the sweet Alice parking lot over on Bay Road. Given the location, given what we think is going to be the popularity of this trail, I think we would probably be in the, you know, at least to start off to maybe as many as four of these. So just to give the group a sense. Thanks, Steve. Shall I go forward. If there are no further questions from the group, certainly. Yeah, I think we might save up our questions for. Oh, I think Karen has one. Do you want it. Do you have a specific about the bike record. Yeah, when, when, can you hear me now. Yeah, yeah. When you say four of them how many loops are there on one. So how many bicycles with you accommodate. You don't mean just four loops. Yeah, they typical typically come in. This is the loop like this. So this, you know, So that's just two bicycles. Yeah, that's just two bicycles. So you only have room for eight bicycles in the whole park. In all likelihood, I mean, again, we'd be open to your recommendations. I don't know how costly these are off the top of my head, but we could certainly look at that with our planning department. I think, you know, if you look at UMass, there's just a rack of bicycles. I don't think one loop. I don't know. Yeah, I think it would be worth looking at this looking at UMass and seeing just a rack of bicycles because I can imagine you're going to have 16 bicycles maybe for sure. I'm imagining. We'll definitely take a look at that. It's, it's, yeah, we're not. Yeah, we're not sure where people are going to be coming from. I mean, the trails will be open to some degree to bicycles. Oh, I see. So you think that people will stay on their bicycles rather? They might. We won't be encouraging them to bike on the accessible loop trail, but they can bicycle and they'll be encouraged to bicycle on the north south trail. I think that is more of kind of a commuter getting, you know, certainly enjoying the, the environment and nature and all of that, but getting to and from East Adley Road all the way down to the village center at Pomeroy at the new roundabout. So I'm, but, but I don't, I think you're right. I think we should lean toward more. People also come in a group often. I mean, if I was going bicycling often, I'd be with my whole family. So there might be, you know, four bicycles at once and you want to leave them someplace. Yeah, I think that would be a great recommendation. The more more will be better here and we can look at at cost of these and what our budget looks like for sure. It's a great suggestion. So sure, yeah, if you would like to click on that existing, that's the storage shed that is in place now you can see it from the road from West Pomeroy. I believe Dave, if I'm my understanding is that it will remain it might be painted. Correct. Yes, I think I think at our last meeting, you all had some questions about both the, the existing clubhouse and then this building, which is to the west of the clubhouse. So our intention is to have the clubhouse come down. As I mentioned, I don't have the budget for it yet, but I'm working to get to find that that funding to take the clubhouse down and make the site more aesthetically appealing, et cetera, and safer. But this, this Morton building is in great shape. We have every intention of keeping it and using it for maintenance equipment. It's poured on slab. So it's very dry and it's just in really good shape. Today, as Jennifer said, we certainly would, would paint it at some point in the future. It really plays very little to no role in terms of public, there won't be any public in it shouldn't be public around it it'll be appropriately signed as it is now. We'll pass by it on their way to the accessible trail, but we will not be encouraging public use it's locked 24 seven 365 on both ends of the building. And it's really a very nice place to store equipment that will maintain the trails and the meadows and, and the like. So, yeah, those two images are there. One is a detail of the, of the other that shows the bridge sample bridges and an up close view of the railing. Now the bridge, this bridge that you can see where it meets the earth that would be built up so that someone, you know, in a wheeled vehicle or someone who couldn't didn't have the mobility to take a step would be able to go right from the trail to the bridge. Is this built somewhere on an Amherst property already. It is, it looks like sweet Alice isn't it. No, it is. In Lawrence swamp. Over the hop brook. And that would be kind of the typical style we would use, you know, pressure treated pressure treated bridge itself, and then the the railings would be designed very similar to this. As I said Erica you asked me I think you, you or I mentioned something about height. And I think I was right which is third over 30 inches requires a railing so anything over 30 inches. So what we would have I think this would be similar detail. There is one walking bridge, one boardwalk, and then one bridge which will double as both for pedestrians and for maintenance conservation maintenance equipment. Vehicles, you know, like a brush auger attractor. And so similar detail will be used on all three of those structures. For safety so that young children cannot fall, you know, into in this case into the hop brook. Okay. Yeah, that's hop brook. Yeah. All right, so we've seen the bridge and railing we've seen the bike rack. The storage shed the kiosk and a signage idea so I just wanted to open the floor to some conversation with the DRB members and I see Lindsay share some thoughts. Thanks for all these images I think overall it looks great. So what a concern about the railing. And if I missed this I apologize, but will it have an extension beyond where it meets the bridge edge, I think it technically needs to come out about a foot beyond that edge so that, like the corner is protected. Oh that's a very good point are you saying from an ADA standpoint. Yes. Yeah, that's a very good point and again I'd be happy to, you know, I know you, you all will make recommendations to us to the town on this project so we would welcome that I think Jennifer and I may have missed that. This bridge is clearly not because of the topography. So we're actually adding we're adding ramps to either side of this you can see this was actually an early picture it's the bridge wasn't even finished I think I see a two by four or something in the in the foreground there. But that's a really good point that you're saying the railing should come out. What were you saying, Lindsay. The handrail. If it is. If it is to be ADA than the handrail needs to come out of foot. I could also imagine, you know, just in terms of safety, having you could consider having like a triangular edge of railing there where it, instead of just coming at a 90 degree down it goes more to 45, just to give some kind of corner protection there. But yeah from an ADA standpoint, the handrail needs to come out a foot from the edge. And I believe that our our ramps will be. And Jennifer can check this but I believe they will be. I think they'll be poured in place concrete I'm not sure but we will have a ramp, and then one of the. I think part of it will be poured in place concrete as far as I know we're working with Rob more our building commissioner on that on that detail, but we will add the extension of the handrails. While we're here on this bridge image are there any other comments on the bridge and rail design storage shed. You didn't talk about the color would you just be kind of repainting in this sage green. You know we haven't even far ahead but if you have any, if you have any suggestions we'd be open to them. Because it's in fairly good shape we haven't really prioritized it is not part of the grant where, as we said before our deadline is June of 24 so we're really pushing for that but you know I could see us doing a protective coat a new protective coat of paint on this at some point. Given that this is conservation land, I think something pretty background neutral make sense. I will I will say, let's see where we were 23. I think it was the class the immerse regional class of 23 or 22 somehow discovered a way into this barn and and at a wonderful celebratory party in in our barn so we beefed up our security somewhat. So that was a little bit of a surprise to us, but they had quite the indoor celebration in our morning building. Luckily, nothing was really damaged and nobody was hurt but it was a little bit of a surprise to us they were. They were quite covert about the whole operation but we, we increased our security so no one's getting in there any longer. Thank you. I'm actually got my hand up a little late I was going to make a comment about the bridge. When I, when I look at it, I'm concerned that what that there's wide spaces that are wire protects, but is it isn't really protective to small children and and animals would it not be better to have more, more wood spacing. As you know, many, many walkways like this require just, I'm surprised to see the wire as opposed to more wood in the design to make the spaces smaller. I think the wire as long as it's. I mean it looks like a welded wire fabric like it's pretty stiff I think it there's no issue of. Well, I just wonder but I don't think it's a code issue that as long as there's no gap that's like more than four inches and this is smaller than that but I'll let Jennifer. Just a question, only because I think the wood has the potential to be more durable than the wire. I think it is a this was this the use of this wire mesh, it is very robust as Erica said I don't know what gauge it is but is a very robust wire mesh. I think again it was both for safety but also also aesthetic to kind of so that you can see the resource you're walking over in this case the the brook. All of the that both the pedestrian slash vehicular bridge the pedestrian bridge and the the boardwalk. When we say bridges, they'll be going over wetlands, they will not be going over the Fort River they won't even be going over anything as high as this this bridge. They're really quite low these structures and they're going over they're going over wetlands we're basically pulling out culverts so there's I'm not saying anyone will will. I'm not trying to lessen the concern about safety but there's really very little, you know, in the middle of the summer you could walk over the the marsh that we're going to bridge over. It's just kind of a squishy area. So, so they're not very high at all so but but again they're robust wire mesh with with virtually kind of a swampy areas under each one. So, from a pet or child safety standpoint some kids may not even go over the bridge and they may just bound right through the swamp. I'm hoping I'm hoping that all dogs will be on leash, and that adds an extra safety element for dogs. Yeah, I think, you know, I thank you for your explanation and I do think the suggestion that the railings be extended is is the most important aspect of this comment. And of course they will have, they will have ramps, they will meet all all the standards of accessibility. Thank you. Thank you for your question. Comments of the bike rack. We had a conversation about numbers and appreciate that you'll do some careful consideration of how many should be provided. We've approved this design before for other conservation areas, painted black. They will be black. Yes. It is. It's a great comment and we will take it because I think this is going to be this is going to be really kind of a hybrid of a conservation area recreation area. I will say that at sweet Alice, and Potec. I have never seen a bike at either bike rack, but that's just me, you know, I was actually a Potec Catherine Cole today. Both of those conservation areas are in difficult places in my estimation difficult places to bike to because of the high volume of traffic Potec Cole is across 116. And sweet Alice is on Bay Road, not far from the double roundabouts, not to say that people wouldn't bite there, but they're they're not easy places to bike to but I do agree that this has the potential for people to come as a group. I'm going to leave your your three, four bikes and go for a picnic or go for a hike or go bird watching or go fishing or, you know, come with friends, you know, young people, kids coming from Orchard Valley might just buzz over on their bikes and say hey, I don't want to take the risk of somebody walking off with my bike I'm going to lock it up right here at the at the entryway kiosk. And speaking of kiosk, we've got the kiosk design and then also signage. And again, thank you for for sharing these I know that again this is something that we've approved at other locations. We've talked about the, we've talked about the sign, the street sign design before, and I know you haven't implemented them yet but this is this looks very similar to what we reviewed for sweet Alice. Anybody want to weigh in thoughts concerns. Lindsay. I think it looks great overall my only question was on the kiosk if there's any intention for plexi. If you mentioned that or not. Sorry, there's any intention for plexi for plexiglass on the. That's a really good question. Again, my, my dream here is to, to standardize all of these across town. It's really a question of funding that's all it is is it's really not an easy thing for me or the town to fund these. We do have plexi in some locations. I found it to be a little bit of a double edged sword in that. Yes, you get more life out of what you put behind the plexi, but vandals love to scratch the plexi insects get behind them. You know, we're kind of moving more toward like a lexan lexan product. But yeah, we may cover some of the material there with some sort of plexi some sort of plastic covering like the map so that they weather better in the UV, you know UV affects everything you put on these and fades everything so there may be part of the kiosk that we put plexi on. I think a really good example of that is that the applewood orchard orchard or at applewood there's the orchard arboretum conservation area, and that has a very similar kiosk to this. And we've worked with the steering committee at applewood and they've covered one side of it with plexi and it's it's worked quite well. Again, low vandalism area. You know you spend a lot of money on plexi and then one person comes by and vandalizes it and you're out whatever 150 bucks or, you know, I don't know the exact cost but yes so that that would be a consideration. Thank you yeah and I don't I don't know that I would. I asked the question was a discussion, so I think that it makes sense to consider where it might be appropriate and where it may not be, and if there's various products that may not lend themselves to the issues that plexi typically does whether it's condensation or vandalism or, you know, various things getting trapped. So I was mostly just curious what the plan is for that. I appreciate your time and and again, you know any comments, recommendations suggestions guidance we we would appreciate it and Jennifer and I have kind of heard you and taken some notes. And the sooner anything comes from the DRB and through through Rob would be wonderful as I said we are pulling together together our bid documents this month or excuse me, next month. We have a calendar here in December, and we want to try to bid this out in January and try to get a jumpstart on spring construction. That's great. I think, DRB folks, I would love to hear emotion. You approve of the. What do we call them does features design elements shown to us tonight with. I was taking a few notes it seems like the only real actionable recommendation is to ensure that the handrail design on the bridges meets code extends beyond the base of the bridge. But although that's really the guardrail there's no handrail. But checking in on that I think seems important but I think everything else is kind of meeting with approval. Everything that we've seen so far we'd love to see that move forward. Rob. Sorry, it took me a second to meet myself. So just to make sure we're clear about I guess we have recommendations before we take a motion so just from my notes and what I've heard it seems so far. One recommendation is to make the railings come out a foot off the bridge on each side. Or as Lindsay mentioned, there's also the option of taking, I guess, the railing from a 90 degree to 45 degree as well. Lindsay, do you want to elaborate on that a little bit more or is that something that you suggest as an alternative. I'm sure. Yeah. Thank you for asking. I, I, from a code standpoint if they are to be ADA, just make sure that the handrail meets those requirements. Okay. I would just make it that general. And then from a, from a comfort standpoint, you might want to consider changing the shape of that edge condition just so that it or the extension of it just so that it feels that it protects somebody at that corner. Okay. And then I have written down. I've discussed about the utility building I have written down keeping the color as a conservation neutral. I'm sure that was pretty much implied from discussion right okay. And then we have possibly exploring plus plexi on the kiosk, but it has to be an area with low vandalism so does the board want to keep that sort of like a recommendation to explore, or does the board not feel that's necessary to keep in there. No, okay. Okay, so I guess the biggest one is just the railings for the bridge and then, of course, there was also Karen's suggestion to consider the bike racks, but I don't think that's really a design consideration. So Karen, please. Not this design but I hope when you're looking at the bicycle racks there are some that might be less expensive they're much lower they're not this big loop. But there's a number of them just like 10 in a row little ones, and you just park you just put your, your belt around the bicycle on that. So just a recommendation to really look at the different kinds of bicycle racks I think maybe the design isn't of a bicycle rack should be just very simple. But I do think you should have possibilities for a group to come and be able to lock up their bicycle, if possible. That's just my recommendation is against not designed. So like, I guess having more concentrated bike racks in a single area, as opposed to just like these single loops that you'd see every once in a while like every like, two or three feet or something like that. Is that, I know it's you're mostly not talking about from just design standpoint but you're talking about more from a usage standpoint. Correct. Okay. Now that makes sense. Alright. That's all the questions I had about recommendations. Okay, so could I ask for a motion with recommendations as summarized by Rob. To approve. I would make the motion as summarized by Bob it for the recommendations, concerning the design and improvement of the bridges and the number of bike racks. Thank you for their second. I'll second. Thank you, Catherine. All those in favor, please say aye raise your hand. Hi. Fantastic. Thank you. Very much for your work on this good luck with all the big proposals and Thank you so much. Thank you very much. We're very much wanting to be under construction, April, May, June, so we're going to try to work quickly and have at least the ADA loop done by the end of June and the north south done sometime later in the summer. Fantastic. Before you dash, I was, we have to approve meeting minutes. And there was one comment, one statement in the minutes that kind of in response or clarification or questions that all paths will be accessible. And my memory that it wasn't all, and I just wanted to what would be the appropriate language to substitute. So I can quickly summarize that. So our intention, obviously we have a park grant to consider the to build the loop trail to the west, which we've been talking about this evening. That will be fully accessible. The north south trail will be fully accessible. The connection between those two will be accessible. We don't have funding to build that yet. But then the remainder of the trails will be typical. And I use the word typical, you know, with some purpose here, typical conservation trails, we kind of call them single track trails just like many of the 80 miles of trails we have in Amherst. And they will simply be a mode bath, and they will not be accessible. So there will be many options at Hickory Ridge to go north to go over toward the Village Center to do about a three quarter mile loop on this accessible trail and get between those two trails. But then if you want to go in other places, you know, it's 150 acres, it's a pretty big area. If you want to, for instance, go around one of the solar arrays, that will be a single track conservation type trail, and we'll simply be a mode bath. So we're giving as many opportunities for those people with disabilities to get out there in nature to get down near the Fort River. And our design has incorporated, you know, access to the river, access to wildlife areas, scenic vistas, etc. I think that's important to be accurate that not all the trails will be fully ADA. So the trails that you mentioned, Dave, are that loop trail at the west and then that north-south trail. Those are the only two trails that you're just, okay. And then we will in phase, I call that kind of phase one, phase two, we will connect the north-south trail with the loop trail, and then you will be able to move or you will have accessibility between those two trails. And the single track conservation type trails will be mowing as soon as we get approval from the conservation department, or excuse me, conservation commission, and the state, because we are being regulated by a number of state agencies because I agree, Ridge is such a sensitive ecological area that we have many hoops to jump through beyond just the conservation commission, the planning board, and some state agencies. So really exciting, but thank you for all of your guidance and we hope to see you all out there in the summer of 24. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you so much. Thanks Jennifer. Thanks Dave. Rob, I didn't notice any members of the public. We were just eight on the participants. I didn't call anybody in but thought I'd double check. All right, we can move on to approval of minutes. We'll do a screen share. And so, you know, my usual record for minutes was two pages, but fortunately I had to get to the third page for this last meeting. There was a lot that was talked about. But yeah, I mean, I did take out on your one point about the accessibility of trails. I just didn't want to misrepresent their intentions since this is a public document. It's a lot of accessible trail, but it's not all of the trails. All right, so forgive me if I usually scroll through these for the board members, but if you all have read them, I don't need to take your time to do this. Let me know please. If you want me to scroll or I don't need you to scroll. Anyone else. No, you could just scroll kind of quickly. That would be helpful for me. Got you. Speed reading. Yeah, so we did games underground approval of their signage that the recommendations were to just be really mindful of their blue. There was no, there was no decision made, no vote. We just had a nice conversation with Babe and Jennifer on Hickory Ridge. And so obviously we have to change that ADA. And you can do what you did last time I just vote to approve with the recommended changes and I'll make those changes currently and then post the minutes tomorrow. If the board satisfied with the minutes that is I don't want to assume that you like the minutes maybe you want them to be rewritten completely. That would be unreasonable. Yeah, back to my screen. All right, so. Approved with amendments. Second. Thank you a second. Second. Thank you. Pat. All those in favor of approving the minutes. From the date. Thank you. Appreciate your answer ahead of me. Great. Approved. Okay. Okay. Fantastic. Any other business not anticipated. No. Okay, Rob, could I ask you to identify what our next meeting date is? Sure, let me pull out my calendar. So I noticed the end of December is going to be tricky with the holidays for people. So the last meeting date would have been December 25th, but that's Christmas. So I guess for now, the last meeting date could be December 18th, which is the third Monday. Or if the board decided that they would rather skip the month of December, that's also an option. But I would say as of right now, the most logical date would be December 18th for our next meeting. Just because of the holiday. So I think that would be helpful. I mean, I don't think the meetings works for me. I don't. I think we need to decide now, but if anybody. If we could do a calendar check, if you have a. A conflict already in place. That would be helpful. Karen. I'm going to be gone from the 17th until January 10th. Oh. Oh, wow. I mean, there's a time change. Sure. Yeah. The 18th works for me. Okay. Thanks. Yeah, I could do it. Why don't we pencil it in? I think that's a good plan. And I'm seeing like we're likely to have a quorum. Yeah. But as long as we have at least three people, it's fine. Yeah. And at this point, we don't know if we even have any applicants. So. Yeah. To have it penciled in and we'll cancel it weekend. All right. It was lovely to see you. Thanks for your continued guidance and shepherding. Sure. A lovely. A lovely rest of this month and beginning of December. All right. Thank you. Thank you.