 Welcome once again to the breakfast on plus TV Africa now. Let's go back in history all the way to 1971 We're gonna be talking of a woman who on this day was convicted of killing her husband It was what is was described as the first internet murder. She was born or she was born in 1971 But this happened in 1999 and name Shari Paulette Kittley Miller Who was an American woman convicted of plotting the murder of her husband Bruce Miller over the internet with her online lover By the name Jerry Cassidy. He eventually committed suicide The Bruce Miller was found dead in his junkyard in Flint, Michigan November 8 1999 killed by a 20-gauge shotgun according to the prosecution She wanted Bruce dead for his money and a divorce wouldn't have given her enough of the money So it would have been better if it was dead. So she you don't get more of it. And so she plotted with her online lover Jerry Cassidy to kill her husband on this day in 1999 the trial made national headlines and Miller's life was profiled on any American justice After she was arrested in February 2000. She was held without bill until her trial The jury then found her guilty on all charges while in prison She was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder and other mental illnesses She eventually claimed that she wanted to give back to the people that she has selfishly taken from and You know in a book that she wrote a couple of years later while in prison She confessed to the murder of her husband and of course gave further details of how she plotted it with her online Boyfriend stroke lover Jerry Cassidy. This happened in 1999 on the 8th of November and that's of course is our The story in history for today We'll move away from there now moving to our first major conversation for today And that is in Anambra state where the independent national Electoral Commission Inaq has declared the elections in conclusive as a result of a failure of elections in Ihala local government area It says that the number of your voters or the difference between the ABGA and PDP candidates Is less than the number of registered voters in Ihala and of course Inaq has the Right as a body to declare the elections in conclusive There will be supplementary elections on Tuesday the 9th of November. We're speaking this morning with Mr. Uche Okoye, who's the MD trunk digital media and convener of TETA movement. Good morning, Mr. Okoye Good morning Thanks for joining us all right, let's of course bring you in first on your reactions to the way the Anambra elections turned out For a few they may have expected things to turn out this way, but for others may be surprising But what side are you on? Did you are you shocked at the way it turned out? Well, thank you so much. First, I want to congratulate the Anambra for coming out to conduct themselves appropriately and of course is how they Are turned to elect who governs them in the last four years. It is very important. It is constitutionally enshrined fundamentally our rights to exercise our franchise and Towards the build up towards the election. We had a lot of hiccups. We had a lot of insecurity issues Which you know to stop even campaign process as far as some point a lot of people felt that the election will be postponed We were so uncertain about the up, you know the outcome of the of the election and We had IPOB from the other side and there will not be election Already, you know Stated that we sit at home from the 5th of November to the end of that election And we we had a lot of insecurity issues and people started living in the States And you could see few that did that leap year. We felt the fear That had enveloped the citizens because they were afraid of your life. So they couldn't come out to vote, but Fortunately two days before the election IPOB withdrew they are They are you know, they're sitting at home order and instructed their members everyone to go out to vote And within that short window period of time people You know started sending information to their loved ones, you know, especially those in the rural communities that may not be able to have access to So that actually triggered some, you know some persons to come out to vote especially this time around and We recorded very low turnout, which was very predictable if we look at history historically Anumbras data has always recorded very low turnout in an election. So but this one was very Unimaginable we never we saw it coming. We knew that there will be low turnout of election voters, but we we we also didn't know that it will turn out very peacefully as you can see we didn't record any Much violence as a lot of people, you know expected. So I would say there are mixed feelings from this point of view. So there are mixed feelings Expectations we are mixed, but ultimately we had a very great Exercise and everybody came out and people few people that came out as a side of franchise without being hard Without having anybody dead in the process. So that's what I can say for now on that Okay, let's talk about One of the factors I mean some of the issues that were raised that would have influenced the conduct of the Anambra election Of course on the 6th and one of them is voter apathy like you have actually mentioned And if we look at history antecedent who found that that the four elections over time Voter apathy is like a norm in the elections and this is actually not a surprise Would there be anything or could we have a boy that does Voter apathy is anything that could have been done to avoid it, you know to improve the participation of Anambra persons in the elections Yes, I wish you said because in the in the build-up to the election Some of us especially later on movements. We went to the street We went to the various communities in various local government establishing people or they need to get Their pvc on the need to register we went to schools, you know to high institutions surprisingly Interestingly, we found out that a lot of young people are not interested But that's a very sad development. We had over 80 percent who would go into a class and ask how many students how many persons, you know have a pvc You know, it would just be maybe two or three persons and out of that Could be just one person that would have a permanent pvc But the rest will just tell you they are not interested or they do not have so there has there has there is this Lost of interest in the system that is very popular among the people of the south east Especially with the government. So they've totally lost interest. They have totally, you know disconnected Alinated themselves from the system. So I think what should have happened, you know from the the political You know candidates should have been a very intensive sensitization reorientation of people But it it seems like it's it's only happened within the political parties, which is not enough There are people who belong to political parties and ordinarily these are the people that are going to You know vote whether there is a seat at home whether there is an anything they are going to come out and vote most of them But ordinary citizens who do not belong to any political party who have little or no interest in the electoral process Although they do not may not know actually that election is very important to everyone not just the political party members They need to come out to vote who govern them everybody, you know, the citizens should be able to Understand the importance of election but I think that Didn't happen because the The candidates didn't take it seriously because some of them we are banking on the low voter turnout to in order to manipulate the system So I should I would say that yes there is a That should have happened earlier because if we had enough education and sensitization of our people Would have resisted the narrative of no election, but it didn't happen. Unfortunately. So Like in 2017 something similar happened No election campaign was the mantra and At some point it became very obvious that now of course if everybody many people knew that would be election But it didn't turn out the way it turned out in 2021 2021 became more violent Towards that the election. So that was why a lot of people Felt it more and even had to leave the state because of the unforeseen event that could happen on the day of the election. So but The thing I have to say is that yes, we could have done better the citizens of Anambra the stakeholders Could have done better using different channels engage the agreement Parties engage everyone citizens in the church markets everywhere, but that didn't happen All right, Mr. Akoya. We're going to come back to you Um, just we'll come back to you. Um to discuss further on, you know The the turnout and of course other issues. Um, but I want to go to the election proper now And uh, we're bringing in uh, Mr. Barista Theo Nguigbo, who is a legal practitioner Good morning Barista. Thanks for joining us Barista Nguigbo, can you hear us? Yes, we're working. Morning. Thanks for joining us. So I want to bring you in uh to talk about the election proper and um, you know reactions to it um a size the First of all, Inaq has declared uh, ihala local government era didn't have any elections And then second the apc it's on the punch new sweepers this morning says soludo sets to win Leads in 17 local government areas and apc alleges rigging So, uh, uh, Barista Nguigbo, let's let's have you, uh, step in and on those, um, main points Well, um, I want to Tell you I'm worried about the the Generation we are like this wrong directly if I let you that uh And much more That don't collect that damage to our next person And I want to tell you that you come to without physical election And I for one I was imagining that maybe the way How or how I met with some people mentioned in the embassy without Taking completely a corner That's where the system or the system can be the blood Then the blood system will be completely that has Of So what is happening? Or Uh, I want to have the number of Number of things that they can't conduct the election So all these we are madly mad a Have done That the people are now The All right, let's look at some of the You know concerns why this election? I mean we'll get back to you Mr We'll get back to you. Okay, but let's just stay because this is more like a follow-up To this particular question now you you have the fact that According to mrs. Obie She said that the constitution provides for a candidate to secure both the highest number of vote cast 25 percent of vote cast in at least two third of the local government Areas of the state to declare the winner now all the quotas are saying that if you look at uh section 179 of the constitution That uh, you know child soludo should have been declared the winner of the election That's because he's caught not less than one third of all vote cast in not less than Two third of all the local government areas in the state. That's a two third of the 21 local government In the state. What are your thoughts on that? I'm all down to all you can much much better configuration By ionic I don't say we should watch it at all From all integration All We will absolutely have one definition I am not from unimpressive But i'm deeply worried On how we arrest everybody So the configuration are all the mathematical All the mathematical entries They want to apply what they're applying in whatever way we look at it You need to have met the Admet the requirement to declare the winner of that election What they want to do now It's a winner by the portrait the winner of an election At the end of the day They will push everything to the court And in the court we are those Hadidia are waiting To really Finally and describe the winner of that election. So what I want to say is that I am aware and I know how to I know how to By only the question to do to have one definition To continue to raise So that people go Who put it behind us And keep creating progress in this country I want to tell you that I'm not happy What are all the things that are happening in this country We were about 30 years ago We are the leader We are the flagship of the afterthought continent That today we are parallel to the light of the night As a result of the safety and the honesty of these people at the end of the process They do things without doing that both in this Record how to say that there's no way we can not move an inch Before this type of system got up So when they say To put a thought of this What thought of this and that it will all challenge If man has one information All right, hold on Barca, we will Mr. Okoye, let's come back to you now, you know also to share your thoughts on This angle and of course the apc alleging rigging in the elections What's your reaction to that? Well, what I have to say is that in every contest There will always be a loser and a winner And in most cases the loser, you know, usually complain of injustice and what not But in this election, I must say of course there were so many irregularities They started with INEC Not coming to poll units On time, INEC had hostiles And they recorded that They recorded the problem in Ihala. I think Ihala had a very Peculiar issue where the security You know security men didn't They didn't mobilize because according to them they were being owed So it affected the local government as a whole. So Um, I don't know how what led to that but that really stole that election And in order in some places in some poll units and words election didn't hold at all Because of not just the low turnout But because of the the malfunction of the electronics Um, the the electronics from my neck. So it was unable to capture people the voters So it's contributed to some of the problem we are having now And I think INEC needs to upgrade or they need to step up because this is this has become in It's had become a recovery decimal where Every time every now and then we go to the pool. We have one or two issues Coming from the same, you know, INEC. They should be able to fix up And for store this for future, you know, occurrence Um, of course they reserve the rights to to, you know, add their opinion But I have to say that, uh, they don't really have anything to to to fight for because Anambra states Um, Anambra state people generally do not Like APC they do they do not have any attachment to APC I am not a member of any political party for a record, but from the feelers on ground I do not think APC standard charts in this election Um, however, they still reserve the rights to, you know, to question some of the outcomes So that's what I have to say there But in all if you look at it The local governments in Inewe was won by white people not even APC So it means that APC does not even have a strong goal They've not won any single local government The PDP won in Obaru Why Apgar, uh, you know, won in all other local governments Outside in here at the local government So it's going to be an interesting outcome But I we in Anambra states, um, we are very Confident that this will not turn out the way the emo situation turned out So it's not something that we are afraid of We are ready. Um, we are set to to, you know, to Guide out and save our votes Okay All right, let's come to you, Mr. Theo Weibo Uh, do you also agree that, um, the elections as the APC is a legend is what we read in Anambra state I mean when you begin to look at the dominance of Apgar in Anambra state They have been in power for 16 years amongst other issues When you make a comprehensive analysis Of the results so far collected So you need to win it And so on It is a clear cause before So you do So, uh, I want to tell you that I am not a confidant All this, uh, issue That have been, uh, crumpled Now, when you check or say you look at the topic of them You see a small one writing If you see all the list and 20 of, uh, Anambra states So I don't know why we should not conduct an election That would be rank of place Where the winner would be announced But, and I don't know why most Nigerians When they pursue the election They don't know how to compress it The, you know Because they want to make problems They want to cross the government I mean, you know, I mean The, uh, the They want to look Of course, for this argument But, you know clearly, you know, Anambra You try people, you try, uh, um, officials You know, so how I come on It's a simple problem Of doctors, of leaders And, uh, co-ordinators And, uh, after a proper time Of a proper time, you need to be 20 And the person who's most of all You know So all these distortions I am uncomfortable with them And I didn't do this right Even for more than two, three decades At the time I stopped talking But the more you talk The more we want to take it aside This is getting bad So, where's the Where's the money? I thought I was going to say Or I don't know I wasn't feeling more comfortable Because There's, uh, There's a lot of So sorry I thought I was going to be More social Or that I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know And that is why we have Security challenges We are very limited We impose people So, are there the wish Of the majority of The citizens of the country It's a franchise, man It's a very difficult before God We have people who say Look at the kindness of one Because corruption is very rising In this country Ironically, I'm telling you that I would tell you in my mind That what they are doing Is to describe that man Of his social Look at what they are doing I am going to say Look at what's happening We will not do it We took a guess where he's qualified At the Year of the election Yet I didn't know That he's qualified For the citizens I don't know What they say As far as the number Whatever I'm going to say To you Okay I'm bringing back One thing that I've seen Mentioned a few times Is the disparity between the number Of, and I've seen a lot of people Mentioned this, I'm not sure why The number of people who voted in the APC's for the APC candidates And where those numbers Seem to have disappeared into And I'm asking this Because of what you mentioned earlier Some of the reasons behind The low voter turnout In Anambra state Would you say that this is The same reason The things have turned out this way If you had 230,000 people Voting the APC primaries For one candidate Doesn't seem to be reflecting now in the election So is this because of the voter apathy Or is there something else that we're missing here Quite ridiculous I'm privy to that information Currently The APC is still in the courts They're supposed to actually Seed for that before the election But I don't really know What happened and that Seems to have been Postponed And more or less Who also contested on the APC Was very He contested that election That produced The That was a very ridiculous outcome Because we all know that APC does not have structure in Anambra states Before now Even if they do have It's not as much as that I mean if you have party members With that figure How many nobody there Is using winning election in 2017 The last time We had election In Anambra states So the number is outrageous Is ridiculous It is not real And that puts a very big question mark On whether they truly had primary election In APC Because that cannot I don't think There are over 300,000 APC members In Anambra states So that figure was Obviously misleading And you could see from the election Of course towards the election We could see that the figure Was actually misleading Again The reason why we had I have explained it earlier In my speech And I said because of the fear There was A insecurity During the build up to the election That even made some of the candidates As far as going to Lagos campaign And it was really that bad Because it affected The confidence And the atmosphere Of Anambra states A lot of people left the state as a result People called their loved ones And warned them not to step out As a result of that The IPOB made that instruction That they would sit at home In the fifth that nobody should come out And from records It has always been clear That each time IPOB make Such instruction They always ensured that They implemented So people feel that it could Actually be the same But two days before the election They called it off However the information didn't trickle down To the masses Especially people in the rural communities And suburbs And other places as well However Few people that got the information Turned up during the election And like I said The party members, party faithful For example, party like Apgar has a very strong Soldiers They are on ground, they have been here For over close to 16 years And what that means Is that they are very Grassly rooted In politics So they have full soldiers That always come out to vote for them They always come out to support them PDP has always been here as well APC recently And has only made It only comes when There is an election So I wouldn't Ascribe that To any other But the insecurity The insecurity is only thing The low votes are not And of course the order made by APC All right Assistant with you Inconclusive elections Been described as A product of a weak electoral process And this is the case With anambra elections Not the first in Nigeria We've witnessed that in platou state Canu among others Do you think that this is the case? Do you agree with the school of thought? We have a way of repeating our mistakes And the reason is because As a country we are not An intelligent nation There is nothing You would tell me that That INEC has corrected from what happened In the Cano and in other places Before the anambra state election I'm sure they must have witnessed A similar situation And right now They are witnessing this I strongly believe that There is nothing tangible about it So it has become our norm We pay less attention To some of these things And it always embarrasses So I would say that It is part of the problem We have in the system We have voted My polling units We had a very smooth ride The election was free It was beautiful But other polling units The machine capturing So it was a problem But what I would say Is that it is generally the problem Of Nigeria, the incompetence In the high places And our nonchalant attitude Towards problem solving So we literally Don't see some of this as an issue Right now they see it as A normative way of election Inconclusive elections They will go back To something But I pray that I pray for INEC to turn a new leaf There is a new electoral law I hope that the president Of the country signs that into law So that they will be able to transmit election Electronically Luckily most of the Results from different polling Units are available On their platform So if you check INEC platform If you log in The results from different polling Units and that is a Work on development, however They should also move ahead In making sure that they have alternative For example, alternative Sort of network In case one is not Available enough, then the other Should be able to step up Alright, we'll have to wrap up here Ucho Okoye, thank you so much For your time this Monday morning Thanks for speaking with us So having another conversation with you As soon as possible Thank you Thank you also for your time And for speaking with us this Monday morning My pleasure Alright We'll take a short break and when we come back We're moving from Manambra to Kaduna state Where there seems to be crisis brewing Over land and governments Demolition of properties We'll talk about it when we come back Stay with us