 We're calling the meeting to order. Thanks everybody for being here and being patient with us while we wrap up our executive session. We came out of the executive session and we said, what time? It was 7.05 and we have nothing to report at this time. Okay, is there any public comment for items not on the agenda? Okay. The warrants are circling for signature. Are there any additions and changes to the agenda? I just have a question and I'm not sure where it was gonna fall on but I thought I would bring it up when Jeremy was supposed to meet with us. But he wasn't available. What is the town office, not the cage locked up space, but is the town office space available for small commission board such and such meetings? That's a select board decision. I think that this is the monitor from the town office but if somebody wanted to have a Zoom because having a Zoom here as we all experience is awful. So if somebody wanted to meet in the town office and do a Zoom because the acoustics are better, is the town office open for business? So your question is not listening to, so understanding this is, this was moved to Maryland? I think so, I think this is the way it was over there. I remember it was in top of a lot of trial candidates. So if people wanted to meet in the town office and Zoom it would be like on their own personal laptop right ever, but still it's still better than here. Acoustic wise. So if it's a formal select board decision, then we could, okay so we can't do it tonight then, we can't warn it, but we could say out loud what we think, I mean I can't imagine we open the town hall, we sign, we don't have a code reason for it, right? This is what we have right now. I mean it has a spike, sure, again, and I know that the office staff, because there's some people with smell issues, I was concerned, well why do we want to be sensitive to that, so I guess we should probably do it when they're not there. I thought you meant evenings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well the staff aren't there. Right, so we should warn it, because people won't be out of opinions. We would warn it for a decision either way, it sounds like we should warn it for discussion. Right, okay, a discussion and an action item hopefully. Okay, so that'll be hopefully on the next agenda. Can we do that on the 13th? We can try, try to squeeze it in, well some of the, yeah, there's no stuff on that, and I have, but let's, well, we might do it on the 13th if we can fit it on the agenda, depending on what else is there. Okay, all right, so anything else of additions changed to the agenda? Or no, we already did that. Other, yeah, additions changed to the agenda, or public. Anything else on any of your time? Okay, and are you here for the, you have something you were specifically here for? I want to hear a conversation about it with Razor. Okay, yeah, so I figured you were here for, yep. Okay, so. How old of a character? He can't help himself, he just can't help himself. Actually, we don't have to re-appraise a lot from the agenda, on the agenda, but no, it's not on here, it's on the planning commission or stuff as well. Well, do you have a question during the public comment? You want to ask a question about that? Well, Mike. Sorry. No, that's okay, it just occurred to me, Ed, the re-appraisal was on the last meeting agenda and it's not on for tonight. I thought it was on Mike. No, this is for bylaws. There's a planning commission item, but I don't have to tell you that's different than Wester's. Yeah. You might as well jam the name and see if it was right. My wife read the agenda and it's where I got it from, so. Last meeting agenda. Okay. So we are moving into consent agenda, which includes minutes from the last meeting, which once we've approved them, I will be copied to hand you my copy to read through if you feel like it. So let's move into the consent agenda. So we'll. Well, I would suggest in the public comment period. Oh, I see. Just wait so Ed could ask his question. Oh, you want to ask a question? Here, my only comment is this is that and what I read, it said something about trying to do a reappraisal, something for 2023. And what I want people to understand is that I have currently had 11 projects for 2023, 11 for 2024 and six for 2025. And a recent competitive bid that we built something, a competitor bid up to 2027. So unless you have somebody lined up now, you ain't going to reappraisal for 2023. Okay. Okay. But our understanding is we have to try. And if we're unsuccessful, the state will, we expect the state will give us a reprieve. Well, you're under no words at this time. Yeah. Yeah, but it'll be coming up, but you've got to be reprieve for that. We, and actually, I'm really sorry to mark the hollies on here. You may have seen in our, well, if you didn't see the minutes, when you do see them, we pointed Mark to be our select board liaison, working with the Listers. We're aware that possibly they will stay, we'll be triggering a need for reappraisal. And yes, Denise and, I see nothing. Yeah. Right. Well, and Jeff, when she was here, Jan and John, they were here, they mentioned that the state was probably going to have to do something to extend deadlines. They tried in the past, I had a contractor come up about four years ago. They tried to make this town jump in there and do it. And I got a hold of them and I said, there's, in the 40 years that I've been doing this, PBRs never push the town to do it when contractors weren't available. And I already had a contract with that town. And I said, I'm not changing it, by the way. Just so you can just go away and they backed off and changed what they were doing. So they are aware of their limitations that try to impose anybody to do anything. Well, if you can't get somebody to do it, what are you gonna do? There are probably only six firms in the state that anybody should ever consider in the title of their bag. So that's all I can tell you. Yeah, Jan gave us a long list of people or companies to contact. And I guess, as you know, I'm just up the road. I just got a question just asking. Right. We may want to make sure that Mark, do you know Mark Mahaly? No, I don't. I probably do. He usually sits in that chair next to you. He looks familiar. Yeah, well, that's correct, yeah, right, right. That's how he was in the last two weeks of my education. But he'll be back and we'll make sure that he knows that you're available just to help him like, wrap it around. I can probably do introductions. I can probably answer those questions. Okay, great. All right, thank you. Sorry to impose myself here. I was not. No, no, no, no. That's a good public comment for you. Thank you for your public comment. Appreciate it. Thank you, everybody. We'll see you. Take care of those black flies. I'll send them all down here. I know, I'll send them your way because they don't like you. Okay, so the consent agenda, we need to remove the East Montpelier Fire Department request to release funds that will likely be consent agenda at the next meeting. No, I thought we were gonna do it pursuant to our receiving an invoice to the bank. We did not get an invoice. No, but it's in anticipation of an invoice that the bank could accept. Did you see my email today? Yeah, that wasn't an invoice. No, we didn't need an invoice. We're taking it. Oh, I didn't see that. Yeah, I spoke with this Stacy. Do you want to take it off and then I can go explain it later? Well, I need to know why it's being taken off. I think you should do it now. Okay, just a comment. As I talked to Stacy at CBN, not CMBA, and all we need in which they've already got is the last few years' audits from Sullivan and Powers. Those who've been emailed to her to have their legal team review it and a copy of the vote at the child meeting for that amount of money. They've already sent that to them. Next, Stacy will prepare the paperwork for the five-year loan with interest. No pound will be paid off early. And she'll prepare a letter. She called it Full Faith and Credibility of Municipality for us to sign on June 13. And then my follow-up email to her just before I came here was how long does it take to get a check? Well, then I'm gonna do a check. They do an ACH deposit, like two or three days. Okay, so we're not holding them up for three weeks until next meeting. Well, they would have liked the day two weeks ago. Right, and so, yeah, while we're on it, Larry called me, I don't, no, all, he called me this morning. Paul's where to call me later this afternoon. And I believe you all have a follow-up email. Asked, they asked the needy to be here tonight, so they don't need to be here tonight. They are planning to take action at their meeting on June 1st in reliance upon Denise's email and our path forward. So we're not, yeah, I mean, I would have liked to have had the money two weeks or a month ago, but that didn't happen. Right. And I had a good conversation with Paul this morning and got this all taken care of. And just FYI, one of the things that I, the whole, all of the email building up to this agenda item did not have Paul on it because it started with Toby. He responded to a Toby email and didn't have Paul on it. Well, and Toby, right, and to answer the question I never got to answer earlier, the reason Toby shouldn't even be involved in this is because he is a representative of that Toy Company. Probably so. And I remember when this all first started, I'm like, oh yeah, that's right. I remember now that he works with this Toy place truck, so he shouldn't have been involved at all. Yeah, so I took him off the email chain. And so now I'm saying it out loud because I'm looking for all the different ways to help us all remember. So anyway, so Toby is properly, properly should be refused from these discussions. Right. Paul is the point person on it. Paul's back to these today, talk to me today. Anyway, that's all why I was having to take this item off the consent agenda. But first, where we have 20, yeah, yeah, consent agenda part one. The other thing I'll just say out loud is, oh there's something else I need to say out loud. Everything else I think is, I'm fine with everything else that's on there. Yeah. So is there a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved? Part one. Part one. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Any other discussion? All in favor? Should we say aye? Aye. Part two is ratifying the May 9 East Dallas Community Trust Enhanced Grant Request. And it's part two only because Denise and Mark are refused, is there a motion to move consent agenda part two? So moved. You guys have to be able to make a second. So moved. Second. And raise the second. Any questions, all favorably say aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you. Alfred, welcome. Andres? Where is this part one, part two on the, if you look at the agenda. I didn't label consent agenda part one. Part one, I apologize. Fat bullets, no bullets. It starts at consent agenda 715. Consent agenda part two 718. Do you see that on the agenda set now? Oh, I've actually done it in the previous, this was all on the revised agenda, Denise. Are you all in favor? I'm in favor. All right. I'm sorry. Because the agenda I have is a little bit easy. Yeah, I'm sorry, it isn't. That's okay. Can you follow around? Yeah, I'm gonna do that. Sometimes I print extras. I didn't print extras, and now I've made those all alone. Yeah, 99. Okay, sorry, Lisa. Yeah, we did a revised agenda. Okay, Alfred. You've seen that today, you've seen it probably today. I've seen it around on Friday. It's in the folder, the one that's in the folder. It's about forwarding, is this one by forwarding? Here, I'll get it. That's the one. That's my one. Okay, working out for it. I put on there a couple of items that occurred to me that we'd love to hear from you guys on, but don't need to restrict you because there's other things that you want to talk about. Where are you going to start? You can talk. Yeah, you drive. Tell us. You want to talk about the, what are you guys trying to do all the time? No, that's the next meeting. Would you share? Okay, let's talk. I don't have any more agenda. My question was about what happened with the private maintenance application and how we started Rosalina. So, it's a great question. Did we get, so, at our last meeting as we said, May 15th is the deadline. I think private maintenance is out of here. You guys were going to call everybody who's had a request from before until the police replied this year, did that? I called Peter, but I called Peter and I reached out to the, but I did not get hold of Charlotte. I tried, but I didn't get it. But I tried, there was a third person that's right there. Got no answer. So, and nobody has made an application? She hasn't seen one yet. And the 15th is over. But the 15th is coming down. So, we're going to be, I would be very surprised if those folks don't contend. Talk to, What did Peter say? He, I thought he would put one in that he didn't do it. He's not happy, I would say. I'm not going to put one in his mouth, but he did call me and he's not happy. He doesn't think that it's reasonable for us to ask him to mow the road sides. There are the lengths that he wants to protect. We'll just be his property. We didn't ask him to, Great. Where, so I want to understand that, so that, and you know, it's clear for the record. The application doesn't direct anything. It asks questions. And I'm not, I'm not welcome for you to respond. I'm just responding to the point. That application does not make any direction. It asks the series of, you know, what's your plan for this, that, and the other thing. It's a very open ended. Right, but in the application, they're supposed to specify the length of the roadway that they're going to maintain. Sure. It would just be his road frontage, too. Well, when you say he thinks he has to maintain it, I mean, when he says maintain, is that mowing it in? Just mowing, that's all we're talking about, just mowing. And he made it clear to me that there's no way he can hand side that much, that much roadway. So hence maybe that's why he didn't apply. I don't know. But again, the application, Alfred, and I'm not really directing it at you. I just want the record to be clear because what somehow is being interpreted in the application is not correct. The application asks open ended questions. We don't have time to go into it tonight. It's on the website. Anybody who's interested can go look at it. It asks open ended questions about the property owner's intent. It doesn't tell them what they must do. Well, we certainly made it clear that there was a deadline, May 15th. Absolutely. And so I think that deadline has passed. So it's like, we have to assume they're not going to apply. I don't feel ready for our meeting. So I told them that night or the next night. Or the next night, something like that. I think it was on the main page. Yeah, but we don't have to do that. Yeah, I don't think we should spend time revisiting it. The application was open ended because as we noted, when we were kind of wrapping up our discussions, it felt premature. The town wasn't really ready for a bunch of different reasons to have a policy of what's required. Instead, we were formalized. We were just asking people to, we were formalizing the requests that come so that each person that comes is giving us the same information about what the plan is. That's all the application is. Okay, so that's it. I guess if we get one later, we'll look into it. Do we want to just change that to take away the data to say it will be considered if someone comes to us? I think we cross that bridge when we come for it. Right, we just considered the idea of the deadline was so that I would know whether I was mowing or not mowing. Right, when you mow. Absolutely, right. We haven't heard from you, though. So I think, Lisa, for your benefit, what we do want clear on the record is that we communicated May 15th deadline. To date, we haven't heard from people we expected we would. And I think that's the end of the discussion right now. Alfred, what else? So let's move on to the status of roadside mowing generally. We're ready to mow. I've done all the maintenance on the mower. I am still waiting for some new knives if I want to replace all the knives. It'll function the way it is, but new knives will do a better job on the mower itself. I've ordered them through Peats Repair because they are the dealer for that brand of mower. So I haven't seen them yet. If it's like everything else. If it's like everything else, it could be a lot. I'm just going to order something and it's everything you've tried to buy. Now this is January 2023. No. Hopefully that won't be the case for these knives because there's a couple missing and I've already robbed from the other. We had a second mower head with it. So I've already robbed all the teeth from that. Can't rob anymore. So there's only a couple missing. Like I said, it will still function the way it is. Do they have to be sharpened? No, they just throw them away. I mean, they're just... So what were you saying, so what's the plan for when you're going to be able to start the mower? Well, I sort of have to wait for it to grow. It's not really, nothing's growing yet. I mean, there's nothing up high enough to really cause any slight distance. Or sure it will grow. Right, sure it will grow. But that's, it's starting, but it's still, you want to get it just before a flower. And what I understand, that's sometime mid-June. It's, I would be, if you, we've had this conversation I think other years, if we wait until mid-June, it might be too late. Just to be aware, especially like... I mean, honestly, you tell me when you want me to start and I'll go start. Okay. But I think that... There's not the start high enough to mow. I'm not saying it is yet. I'm just saying that we, when the trouble is flowering is a time that we, you know, we don't... No, you want to mow when it's flowering. Before it goes to the same time. Right, you know, I get it. I get it. So does it, is it like other things in Calis? Like some places in Calis though, people's lilacs are already out. My house, well, I don't have it. So is it like... It's very strange, especially this year. I mean, look at the apples, look at the apple trees. I've got three apple trees on my property in there. Right on my front lawn, there's zero blossoms. So they're all depending on trees. They all trees, you know, but it's just, it's just, I mean, even on a down year, it's usually more than that. So anyway, it's all, everything is growing differently this year because it's been cold at night and it's been, you know, it's just been a cold spring. Yeah, well, this is good though because you're on it and you're aware of trouble being the first target. I think in part, the part of me suffered that it was going to be really was continuing that in early June as well. Yeah. From that space of when... Right. So do we have somebody, do we have somebody dedicated to doing it or is it as an admin? I don't have anybody outside of the crew. Right. Is that the guy you had last year you said was? He's too busy. He's, they're short-handed where he works and he's taking on extra routes and he's doing 70 hours already. So he's not interested in working anymore. So, but I've talked to my guys today and three of them raised their hand. So I have three guys that are willing to run at that's intermediately. What about, what about Barrow? What is the other one that was named? John. John is on the license plate. John, Ralph, is he'll be paying soon and Eddie usually helps with the paying. What we don't like to realistically be looking at replacing that tractor at some point soon is that it's got it. We just got it. I thought that was, the time we offered that was, we got that used, right? Right. That was very used apparently. I don't know. But it's, it's a low use thing. It's not, and it's not a critical. Is it? Like, when you want to really get down the road. Alfred, what he's told me is that that's not adequate. I don't know what we've, haven't even seen the machine yet. You know, by depending on, you know, if it's undersized or if it's old and we have mechanical problems with it, it sounds like we are. So, stop if I'm wrong now. My understanding was, you were concerned about tractor last year. I asked you what was wrong. You said you blew hydraulic hoses. And he said, change all the hoses. And then we have hose problems. But the other mechanics. Well, it's not just, it is hoses. And I don't feel right changing hoses just for the sake of changing hoses. Usually if you see a bad spot, you can change it or put a splice in it. But it would cost a fortune, first of all, to change every hose on that machine. It's not just the hoses. It's just worn pins. I mean, that, it's an arm that goes in and out all day long. And so it's worn. Yeah, it's been welded up many times. I took the whole hydraulic tank out of it because when we bought it, we knew that it was rusty. So I took it all out to get set it on the shelf. And welded new patches. That part is not an issue. It's just an older machine. And what I've been hearing is that town wants to mow two or three times a year. So that's a lot more mowing than just low use as you just explained. So I mean, I just, I'm good this year, but it needs to be on our radar that it's gonna have to be replaced. If we're gonna continue to use our own machine to mow these roads, I gotta have something that's more reliable than because it's, you know, we need it. Yeah, it's just like paint. It's just like paint. You can't be broke down when you've got to feel ahead. Is it sized appropriately too? Or do we need something that's bigger? I mean, I mean, for, I'm just thinking. We certainly have bigger machines and it depends on what we want to do. I'm just based on the lift if we're doing three mowings a year. You know, I did, I think of all this in terms of staff of Red Creek time. You know, we have X number of weeks to essentially get all of our major red main it's done. And, you know, all the work that we do, you know, in the non-flying season, it's not a very long season. So, you know, days make a difference in that. Right. If it's something that's really slowing us down, is there a big advantage? You know, that puts me paying time back. That's important to me. Right. Well, I guess the, I mean, that was an advantage because we allowed us, having our own machine, allowed us to mow when we wanted to, when it was right for the invasive species. So that's definitely a valid point for having our own machine. But it does put an extra strain on the road crew because it takes a man away. And sometimes two guys because we're, you know, we had hoped and we had budgeted for hiring somebody. I know it's COVID, you know. Right, right. It's hard to find somebody, you know, it's just hard to do anything. Well, you didn't have some of the last year that one seed non-flying guy. But he's, yeah. And he's the one who you just said doesn't have fun. Right, right. Right. Mike, so we should put an ad out. That's an issue. Okay, yeah. Yeah, well, we still are short one-time road crew position. So, I mean, we could be, should be advertising for that still. Yeah. Okay, so we need to re-advertise for the road crew position. Do you mean? I mean, I wonder if it would go better just to advertise for a short to short term model. Well, I mean, how old does somebody have to be to do this? And do they have to have some kind of a license? Well, you have to be at least 16. I mean, I wouldn't put anybody in that machine if they weren't 16. I'm sorry, I just won't take that. I will take that response. I would rather them be 18. Yeah, well, Mike, I'm gonna go for a full-on build. Yeah, I mean, so. I wonder if we could advertise for somebody through the school. Right. I mean, the other thing about that is, you know, yes, it's just driving a tractor and it's mowing, but it's mowing the roadside. When you've got cars coming at you at the round corners, people trying to pass you when it's, when it's a narrow road or it's begin with, you gotta be on your game. You gotta be on your mirrors. And I'm sorry, but teenagers today are not on that game. They're just not. And unless they, you know what I mean? If they grew up on a farm or something and they are more aware of the dangers out there, but it's not driving the field. I grew up driving a tractor in a field and then I expanded into the road. Now I get the right away, the road right away, and I get the obstacles out there. Cars wanna drive fast and they're, you know, a tractor may go at top speed, maybe 20 miles an hour. Mowing, right, you're at three or four miles an hour. So somebody coming up behind you. Well that's what I'm wondering. So just you gotta be on your game. It's half, I've seen it. My guys have told me about it. It's like somebody's trying to pass you. Somebody's trying to, you're meeting somebody. It's just dangerous. So how's it with that too? You've got, you're working with a sidearm tractor too. Right. You actually have some machinery for this. Okay, so it's a lot. We need to make sure we, are we gonna talk about this Charlie Boyce surcharge tonight? We can, you know, on that, you know, all we have is a bid price estimate, you know, from last fall. We've got that, but there's no real, I mean, I think it's foolish for us to. Did you guys have a chance to connect? Well, no, there's no contract. So we just have to buy it and say they can charge whatever they want. Okay, so. And we haven't even have a signed quote Okay, so, so, so the follow up was to, to look at whether there is a contract and you said to have our, okay, there's no contract. So that's, that, is it, that was a data quote. That's what I like to answer. 1228. Yeah, we won't. So it's when I ordered it. It's when I actually hold the trigger on board. So, so the question we have to process, maybe we want to start with a motion so that we are discussing something specific. Cool. Why don't you wanna, I would make the motion to accept the Charles voice, please. The fee increase, please. Do we really need a motion though? Maybe we do, well, I mean, this is a question. We've, the board has already approved up to $220,000. With this increase, the surcharge, I'm still under that $220,000. So do we need to do anything at all? Well, it's a change to the bid. It's a change to, it's a change to the quote. Well, you, you approved the select board approved 220,000. Not to exceed. I thought the town meeting became the number. That was the select board. Okay. No, it was, no, this was on the select board level. So it wasn't that time. Maybe it didn't go up, it didn't go up on high. So we approved 220 and then you got a quote for something and now they're raising the quote. And we've never taken an act formal action on the quote. No contract. Well, not a contract. I've never signed a quote the day that I ordered it. So that's me saying fellas and all that. I'm thinking that we may want to acknowledge the surcharge. We acknowledge the surcharge and do we have, is there any way to say, okay, that's it? Are they going to charge us more surcharge as things are getting. We don't have the contract. We still have no contract. We still have no contract. So maybe the motion is- Well, this is a quote. I mean, I don't know that I've ever bought a truck under contract. No. Usually you sign the quote, they honor it. When you go to buy it, you give them a check, they give you the truck. Right. I mean, I don't know about a contract. I mean, you have a contract when you hire somebody to do road work or it's right now. I didn't want to ask you just found out about the fire truck issue. We don't need a voice or a deal on it. My biggest thing is that the select board has already approved. If this quote had had that $5,700 in there in the beginning, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Alfred, when did we approve it? Just so it's in the record. So people wouldn't go back and say, oh, there you go, sure enough, it wouldn't be a minute. I had the minutes. I tried to print them today, but I couldn't, it wouldn't print. Definitely, so it's gonna be American. So- Well, sometimes if it's an email, it won't print. So, you have a month? I mean, it was sometime in March. Take it, yes. It was January, like, 13th or 14th of this year. It was January 2021. January 2021, we approved it. Because I ordered this truck like days after you guys approved it. Okay. And this date that I signed was 1228, 21. All right, so this is a heads up. 1228, 1228 while we would have done it in January. January would be 2020. Right, it was December, I meant December. So it was December, like, 14th, other feats, I remember that select board meeting would have been landed in that time frame. So, all right, so do we, we can be groggy about it. Is there anything else we're gonna do that's productive? No? No, all right. Anything else you wanna tell us about tonight? What else is going on? Let's see, we've got the grants, two of the road grants, I mean the road grants from the Toteon Alps, right, the Peck Hill, I think. Right, Peck Hill is better roads. Right, that's a better road to bring it in. Let's see, what was the other approved for? Is that what you were interested in? Moscow Woods. It's Moscow. It's Moscow Woods. Been approved for Moscow Woods, which is digging out the clay boils. I've marked them all out and I've given them, like, 500 feet of work and an estimate that has been approved. We're just waiting on final paperwork for that. And this is different than the bridge. We have a bridge here, right? Yeah, it's very much different than the bridge here. Yeah, I mean, you just did a huge project on clay boils on Moscow Woods, not that, well, doesn't seem like you had that long ago, that culvert, the drains, even in August, and are. Yeah, that's, we did, that was, I was like one of the first clay boils that we dug out. No, I remember that. But it's very effective. It has holes. Yes, it's very effective. And that's why I've chosen, and the grants want to be on a specific road. So that's why I chose 500 feet. They're sporadical through there to where as the clay boils are located. And they are that, that they're okay with that. So it's like, even a clay boil, they don't, they don't land in a 500 foot stretch there. So I've got like three or four ones, 150 feet. There's two or three that are 300 feet, and then one is 50 footer. And you didn't know them all at once? Well, that's something we should talk about. We'd have to close the road. Ideally, we'd have to close the road. Which we'll have to close the road in regards, whether we do one of them or five of them at once. Right. So, all right, so we were actually, we were at that time for tonight. Right, so if you guys want to bring a formal request, I don't know if it's a requirement or not, but for a discussion on road crossing. For closure? Yeah, I think that's long as we need. What is that project supposed to be? Well, we still got the final approval from the state. Right. So they've sent us an email saying that it's approved, and now it's got to go to, I don't know if it's the commissioner of transportation or who actually signs off on it. We also have to wait for the, before it can't happen before July one. Right, right. Because it's the fifth of the year, so we've got to wait for the legislature to cough up the money, let's say. Can we do that, hold on. Can we do that a little closer to that time? Well, once we have dates, do you know when we've been, it's usually not a decision of sports, it's a decision of road commission. Right, that's fine. Right, it's informational. I think we just, well, that's just gonna warn the people, the public that there's gonna be roads closed in there. Oh, they probably will put it in, I'll put it in my report. And on the rest of it. Yeah, we don't have to, we don't do anything. All right, so we don't have to have that on sale. No. All right. I just want to understand. It'd just be nice to know what you're gonna do it. We're getting what is right. All right. Well, it'll be after July first, at some point. And I'll keep you informed as to me getting things lined up. No, that's good. Organs. Just let me know. I'm in the hopes of stockpiling some of the material so that it's closer to on hand. So when I take the old stuff out, it goes right in. It's faster, turns out, just turns out. Thank you, Dr. Thank you. Thanks. All right, Jan, we're ready for, oh wait, no, I'm getting into myself. Sorry, courtesy's on. No, by-laws. No, by-laws is next. Oh, it is. You're right. I'm sorry, I took too many notes. Thank you. Sorry. Yes, Dan, you're right. Thanks, guys. Cows and land use by-laws. We have, yeah, I'm just, I took my roadside notes all the way down right over that one. So Cows and land use by-laws, process and timelines. We have 10 minutes, Jan. So this is just an overview of where you're headed. And maybe alerts or something, whatever you're gonna need from us. I have four copies of what's gonna be changed. And they are substantial changes. My request of the select board is to have at least one person who could read these and know about them before we go into select board hearing. I mean, be attending at the planning commission here. So that's just the information. And these are dates. My goal was to have this to vote for the effort of over-election. But we are not gonna make it, I don't think. We've had illnesses this week. One family had COVID. We have another member who is having some medical problems. So we've had meetings that we cannot have because we don't have quorum. So we are behind our schedule. And I've been pushing and pushing and pushing and I am so tired of pushing that it's gonna be where it's gonna be. The idea behind it then would be, if we can't do the November vote, we would try to have it for the March vote at the town vote. That's helpful. I was wondering if you were looking for something in between, a lot easier to not. Well, I mean, we have to do what we have to do. What's important though, and I will leave this with somebody. I don't know who, if you're gonna have a facilitator. I was gonna suggest that John be the point person. Yeah, John. Well, yeah, since you are, then. Open it, I'm up, here we go. No, I'm the alternate man. You just, and you think out at certain times. I mean, you went, nevermind. That's another story. Anyway, there is, this was made based on if we were gonna have a hearing on June 21st and we're not gonna have a hearing, but this gives the detail of the timeline. So like, what Planning Commission has there here is, I can't see what you're pointing to. Yeah, it's this. Okay, got it. Where did that come from, where did that come from? This comes from the Vermont land use education and training. Yeah, I know that. So where did the, did you do a revised schedule now? I have not done any revised schedule. This came from Claire at the, at Central Vermont Planet. The important thing is to know the date that's here. With 15 days before the Planning Commission hearing, we have to have all our reports out to the surrounding towns, the state, the regional commission, and in the paper. And then we hold our hearing and if there's no substantial changes, we then deliver it to the Select Board. The Select Board basically has anywhere from 15 to 120 days to take action before you have your hearing. I would hope you would do it as soon as possible, but that's at your discretion. And there's certain guidelines like if there's no changes to the document, if there's no substantial changes, it's probably okay, you know, we're just gonna go ahead and process it. But you also, on the legislative body, has to have 15 days before notice. So it's not as stringent maybe as the town plan, but it does have to follow procedure based on hands. And so I'm hoping that we can manage to do that. So that's my update I had post to, but I just don't think we're gonna make it because we wanna have open meetings with some of the commission's conservation and I think that's what I did. And the DRB. Are you going to get us a revision of this? I'm just trying to figure out what are, okay, so. I mean, I can ask Claire for a revision of the date, but I have no idea. I mean, my date was set, I set June 21st, thinking of the timeframe to get to the November date. I don't know anymore what the date will be. So when I get a date, I'll send it to you. So when you get a date, we'll be able to build a process around it. That's fair enough. That's really what I was looking at. So I've heard John, you are. I'm willing. You're willing, we won't take action on that tonight, but we will. No action, it's just to have. No, but we will be able to. The assignment, my assignment. The assignment, John, maybe it's part of the consent agenda in our next meeting. What does Shrodd acronym mean? Shoreland Overlaid District. Okay, I was trying to find it on my. So what, and I think it's fair for you all to know that there's two major changes here. We're getting rid of the Shoreland District as we have it. It's going to be a Shoreland Overland District. There's going to be changes in two areas of residential district at the Adamant area and in North Palace. And we are putting in a river quarter overlay so that we can get our full ERAP at 17%. That river quarter overlay allows for no development. No new development anywhere in the river quarter. So I don't know whether or not there's going to be what issues there will be. I do know that lakes and streams and conservation are very concerned about Shrodd. We also have new changes in terms of our buffers and water surface, but we have added something for erosion and storm water control, which we hold for sometimes more important time. We use lakes and streams in DC. Conservation and lakes and streams locally here are the three of those commissions have been in contact with those routinely throughout this. And they may still have issues, I don't know. Where is it on here about North Palace? Does it have to be? Oh, that will be tied in to the Shrodd issue. When I issue the report, it will show that North Palace wants to increase their village district. A lot of it wants to decrease their village. Of course. Really? Yes, they want to have more rural residential around the lake, around that pond. And so they are after preservation more of the pond, whereas North Palace, because of the water going away it is, it comes down out of the lake in such a way. Most of the pond is in East Montpelier. It just goes down as villages. Well, anyway, it is, well, no. The porters own a lot of that stuff. Oh, the other pond. Adam and Conn, Adam and Conn, Adam and Conn. I'm talking about Adam and Conn. Oh, that's a lot, that's all of Kyle's field. So Adam, we have nothing to do with that. Adam and Conn, and that's a new lake for us. It's not part of our shoreline district right now. And they want it to be. And they, well, we have to by state. It's a 20 acre lake. Or under, I mean, it's a 10 acre lake and our shoreline is for 10 acres. So, and then with North Palace, they want to extend the village, obviously, for some reason, whether or not they'll do it. Is it the porters that don't want to see development on all the land? That's easy. Pretty much, but if we had a public meeting and the decision was pretty unanimous by a lot of the people, maybe a lot of porters were there, but there were a lot of people that live along the road that way that agreed with it. And that's fine. So that's about what we're thinking. Thank you. Oh, I guess. I don't know. Thanks. Yeah, I was going to say, you are the best chair. No, I'm not. I'm so tired of it. We've been here, I've been here 16 years and you just excellent. That's what I'm saying. Right. Yeah. Well, thanks, Jana. You're welcome. Well, thank you. Well, thank you. Thank you. Wait till you do your grand list. Oh, no. Oh, thanks, Jana. OK, see you all. Thank you, Jana. OK, now it's time for the first part. Drum roll. She wants to move up, right? Yeah, we're up. You can come out and pull over here. We've probably put three cans here. And we'll just move this straight away. So we're aware that you probably have 15 minutes for this item. And I, at least, will be occasionally checking my watch. I don't think we need to maybe even need that. All right, I'll see you out there. I guess I want to just take it away, guys. OK. Before we get into the weeds of the amendments or anything, I just wanted to stress that the DNK contract is not a commitment to build the dam in any way, shape, or form. It has nothing to do with the financing, which is a whole other ballgame. But it's paid for by us. We have the financing to do this. And I think the amendments are very, very minor. We just all wanted to really emphasize, I use the term grandfather. We wanted to get it grandfathered in. So the only reason we're doing this is we're worried. If, with the date, the minute the permit goes in, and the application for the permit goes in, is the state of the dam that day. So if it breaks the next day, it's still the application. Because they're not issuing applications for dams. So basically, if it breaks before we get a permit, for a new dam, it will be almost impossible to do it. It would be almost impossible to do it. So. Got it. If it breaks. So if tomorrow the dam, a big storm happened at over top, failed, and started looking like the dam behind Maple Corner Store, which is very similar in construction. We wouldn't be able to rebuild it without getting all sorts of departments to agree to rebuild it, and they might not. So in fact, the state hasn't approved dams recently. And there'd be people in the state who would say, oh, that's a nice wetland. We're opposed to flooding wetlands with dams. So once we have the permit, even if the dam looks like the dam behind. The application's filed. Right, yeah, not approved. Right, it's just really important to differentiate between the application and the actual issuance of a permit. Correct. So the date we submit it, that's the permit. Yes, the date we submit it is that's the status of the dam that they will. And that's the urgency here. OK, I'm going to stop you guys actually for a second. I don't think for Lisa's benefit. Could you say your name, so she can. Oh, I'm sorry, Colleen Blum. John Rosenblum, PLUM. That's a Blum, and that's a Rosenblum, which is better. I like my roses a Blum. Right, it's ready to go. No flowers, no. I can hardly even get an idea. You've got just two words to eat. We have their names and our materials, Lisa, but I realize that we should at least help you out a little bit for your notes. And we're representing the CPA, who's. Curtis Pond Association. Curtis Pond Association and the subcommittee of the dam. Thank you. Group. Thank you. Yeah. OK, so, and so, yeah, you're looking for a, you're asking us to approve the revisions to the engagement with DuBois and King to develop the permit application. It's called the Agreement for Consulting and Engineering Services. So that's the request tonight, right? Right. And John and I have been attending meetings, and it's been made very clear to us that this is only to submit the application. If we get the permits, there's not enough money, doesn't mean you have to do anything. This is an agreement for a DuBois and King to be contracted to revise the last developed application, right? Yes. And to update it and whatever. Which I, yeah. And then submit it on. And it creates, it creates, the important thing is it creates did-ready plans. So these are then it can be sent out to do it. Right, right. And it's just another step in the wall. No obligation. Right, and there's still no obligation on the town's part. I just want to keep saying that because I don't want people to think that we're committing any kind of money to start working on the dam, anything that has. Future discussion. Future discussion, right. No, it's, it's, it's, we have all the materials, but for people who just read our minutes to understand generally what, you know, kind of where we are and process the point that Denise is, is making and what the select, what, what the small action of stuff is thinking tonight is and what it is not. Right. And what it is to approve this, are you making motion on this? I can make a motion to approve and revise agreement for consultant engineering services with DuBois and King to submit applications to DEC, I guess it is, right? Well, we're approving the changes. The changes to the agreement. And then we're also seeking approval from the select board to go forth and sign this contract on behalf of the town of Calis. Yeah, and authorize, need, assign the contract. Yeah. And then it gets submitted by the CPA for response association. But once it gets signed by Charles Johnson, we're going to need assigned copy back to this town, right? Yes, of course. OK, so that's the motion. There's a motion. Is there a second? Second. I need clarification on the motion. I didn't get that, sorry. You want to read that, what do you have? Well, first you said that you approve revised agreement for consultation with DuBois and King to submit applications. But then it changed to approve changes to agreement and approval for the select board to sign the contract on behalf of? Let me clarify. We're seeking approval of the select board of the contract. Revised. As revised between the town of Calis and the engineering firm DuBois and King. And with Denise, we'll sign that contract on behalf of the select board and remit that to DuBois and King. That's the motion. And then just to be clear, we're revising it based on these three modifications that the CPA has recommended. Right, that takes care of it. As long as DuBois and King is fine with it, DuBois is fine with us. And we're going to move on to the second that revised motion. OK. And then further, John and Denise, as our liaison with your figure on the pulse of this project, it's your recommendation that we approve these suggested changes and moving forward with this contract for the town. And then it's clear of the record that it obligates the town to nothing at this point. Very clear. That's right. OK. This is a contract for services. This is not a contract where we're obligating the town. Do you want me to build it down? This is just to create bid-ready plans and file a permit. Applications, sorry. Rick, do you not ask me, John and Denise, because I figured they have kind of made the motion. Well, you have all the information. Do you have any questions? No, I'm not going to ask those folks. I understand that. I'm all set, as well as we're in any other discussion we want to have. Anything else you guys want to add? Do we vote? Yeah, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Staining? OK. Yeah. You're all set. Thank you very much. Thank you for participating in this. And we want to do all the night work. We don't want you guys to work. We just want you to vote. We'll do all the work. That's what we also wanted to stress. No, it's really, we really appreciate that. I love these centers of really important work that serve our town so robustly in a way that really is slippery. We never have time to do it. No, we do not. We're not having it. We've had fun doing it. But we're ready to move it forward. All right, thank you so much. That's great. We should know about it. Thanks for being here, Jen. Yeah, thank you. No, but I'll certainly make you. We have a lot going on this summer, but we'll be in touch. OK. Does that mean that? Well, make sure I'm not going to tell others. We will. You're our high priority as the liaisons. OK. All right, thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. Thank you very much. You're welcome. They may have a town hall. OK. So Donna, it was a few weeks ago. Two weeks ago. Yeah. I'm pretty excited about it. I'm pretty curious. If anyway, I'm going to ask you a couple of questions. For no reason whatsoever. If somebody wants to look at work. Yeah. So we got an email a few weeks ago from Donna Fitch proposing that she cleans up. So I mean, she's the one who's going to do the work there. There she is. There she is. Right on time. Donna, we're on. Donna, we're on. Right. Actually, if you want to come up here. I just thought it'd been a heroine. Oh! Yeah, we're on. So we're going to remain you as usual. Right. We have. Do we have a little fight from the apron? Yeah. So we have 10 minutes to talk about your proposal, which we had in front of us. So it is to thoroughly clean twice a month. Check. Just do a spot check. I guess at the large gatherings. See the exterior is in. Yeah. Bugs gather. And this is just down here. Yeah. So I would do the stairs up, but I'm not sure what's happening up there with friends of. Yeah. I think they're, they're responsible for having somebody clean upstairs. Yeah. Okay. And then you'll let us know if there are means issues and addressing by, you know, somebody else. And if necessary, you would ask us to authorize more intense cleaning. And you will make sure there are adequate supplies, and you will build back to the town as an expense, in addition to the suggested 200 a month for performing the above outline services. So is Andy Felice still. It's a town hall warden, or whatever we call him. Okay. Yeah. He'd still be the contact person. Yeah. I need to get done. I mean, other things I can think of is like, there's no signage for that lift. And I don't think people know how to use the lift. I know I don't. Well, and you know what, it hasn't been an issue because you weren't. Right. But we recently approved the town, Friends of Town Hall Management Agreement. Yeah. And I think they're getting ready to schedule a play. Okay. So, so that to me would come under the category of other, oh by the way, here's some things. Exactly. We need to know about. So is there anything in the $200 a month for those services you outlined, five records, you know, anything you want to add, illuminate, around like this for us? No. Do we have a vacuum? What is that? Do we have a vacuum or do we need to buy one? We don't have one here. So we need to buy a vacuum. You're right here. Mud season recap. So we need to buy a vacuum. So do we want to authorize this, to buy one for us? That's what I was going to say. But up to, I don't know, what do you think, $200 for $250, I was going to say $200, but they're probably more expensive than we are. I think it depends on what you get. Yeah, it does depend. And if you want one that has a thing, so you can do the stairs, you're going to have to be able to have it. No. So it has a hose, right? Where would that come out of, out of the town hall, town hall, supplies from the right, isn't it? Is there an object for that? The budget for the janitorial services is $1,500. So if you want to stick to that, that's fine by me. Right. So why don't we have a vacuum for $500, I think. Oh, for the vacuum cleaner? Yeah. Because if we get a really good one, there's no reason they can't use it because it needs to be cleaned upstairs. She just went like a backpack type, but if you need just... I don't know if Don wants a backpack. I don't want a backpack. You don't want a backpack? There is here where you deal with stairs. Yeah. Well, I've never seen Hazel use one of those. No. What is that? Here's Electrolux. Yeah, Uber. A Uber? No. All right. So Don, you just said the budget is $1,500, but are we including a $500 for the vacuum cleaner? Isn't there a supply budget for it? Well, another question I had is it came up when we were talking about the upstairs. We want to make sure that we let the insurance company know that you're going to be doing this so that it doesn't get hurt. Right. Kind of thing. So maintenance budget is $1,500, which is not what we're talking about. Janitorial is $1,500, and supplies are $1,000. So we're good with $500 up to $500. Out of supplies. Out of supplies budget for the vacuum cleaner, and the $200 that you're proposing a month fits into the $1,500. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. That's $24 a month. You can reduce me to whatever that is. That would be $25 a month. I think we're doing the math. That's $125. But if we go under that... That's fine. $25 a month. That's... Well, we'll just pump it up next year. Well, this is next year, John. In the following years. So that's very... We don't want to lose her. That's much appreciated, Donna. Well, we can also go over budget. I'm turning 70 this year, so maybe I'll just age too much. Why don't we meet in the middle and say $150? I'm okay with $150. So I would... Okay. Thank you. All right. Okay. So you're going to make a motion? Yeah, on both points. We have a motion that we take Donna up on a very generous offer to be the paisel of the town hall lower level at a salary of, or a stipend of $150 a month and to purchase a vacuum of up to $500. And we will notify passive that you're doing this as a town stipend employee, whatever they want to call it, whatever they say. Starting June 1. Starting June 1. Sure. Do you want me to fill out a... Yeah, we'll have you. I'll have to get you a form. I can just print it off the internet. Okay. I'm going to do that. Yeah. And if you want to scan it and email it to me, then we can get it to... Is there a second to the motion? I'll second it. Any other discussion, thoughts, comments? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Very efficient. And if you have any recommendations for window coverings that are off. Hangings on walls. I actually... Do we have somebody to clean some windows? Not the out. No, come on. I think that's an handy job. I wouldn't want Donna outside. No, no, no. I'm not... I haven't ever had anybody clean the windows. There's a guy who comes to my office to clean windows. Do we get him? Maybe. I can... Can you let us know? Yeah, I can... I can use business cards sitting on my desk. Yeah, because that would be good, right? Yeah. And also... I think last year... I think last year... It's a computer guy sitting in my asshole. Tom. Tom Frost. I think he... Didn't he use to clean the outside? Didn't he... Oh, he had to spend it. I've never watched it outside. Really? Yeah. Do you want to... I don't know if we're going to get out of here. If I think it needs it, I can talk to him. Yeah. Let you guys know. Yeah. Thank you, Tom. You're welcome. Thanks a lot, Tom. Okay, our next item is... Webmaster. Webmaster. And Denise prepared this draft of what the Webmaster... Right. Just based on what I've learned, duties might be... Denise, you just want to kind of walk us through this? Yeah. I mean, when Katie was doing it, she was posting the agendas, minutes, you know, anything else we asked her to do on the town website, on the town calendar. She was making updates to members of the different boards of many commissions. And also, you know, Jeremy and Barbara and Judy before that were doing some posting on the calendar. Jamie's willing to be our person to do this. She has requested it, and I think it makes sense that we're going to have to train the various committees, commissions, boards. You know, she's committed to checking her email every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and posting whatever anybody has sent. She's also probably going to check other days too, but if we can get people to commit to making sure they get her stuff by Monday, Wednesday or Friday with enough time to adequately post warnings of meetings and things like that, I think it could work out really well. She's got experience doing website updates for other groups that she's involved with like Mosaic and I think she's doing the first quant association stuff on their website or Facebook page or whatever it is. And I think it's fair to ask that I ask if she's going to commit to not just like, you know, get to it when I call on it or, you know, you're going to have to keep bugging me to do it. I think that she's committed to doing it those three days. And so, so right now we have basically just, well, on the website it's still Katie, Jeremy and Cliff. So it seems like we are, you know, formally saying, you know, Cliff's not available and Katie's not available. So really Cliff said he never got trained. We appointed him but he never got trained. Katie is willing to help out like she did me this weekend. She's going to help train Jamie. She might help train Jamie, which I will ask her to do. And I don't think it's going to take much for Jamie to get trained. No, she'll get it. She'll get it real quick. But I'd like to leave Katie not just as a backup for emergencies like she helped me out this weekend with the agenda. Okay. And I called her and she offered. Okay. So I just want to have that as some backup. It seemed to me in conversations but before she did want to be doing that for free before, you know. Who Katie? Yeah. I had trouble getting her just to do the rain conditions. She's really backed out of stuff. She's really busy. And she wasn't doing it for free. Well, maybe she was. I'm not sure. We were paying her as the person taking a minute and doing some of these other functions that she just... And the way it happened was just kind of organic. The way it happened with her doing some of these other duties because it made sense because she was doing the minutes. And here's my only concern. So, yeah. So what Denise, when we did a revised agenda and it was over the weekend, we needed a way of getting it up. And Denise said, well, I'm going to ask Katie if she would help us out. And she did. But on the other hand, having somebody listed on the website who's actually not really available might be inviting abuser over... So that's everything we're on. Well, maybe we can take her off. But know that she's there for emergencies. Sure. She'll take a call from us if it's an emergency and do something. Yeah, I just wouldn't want her to have... I wouldn't want her to have a formal role and have people have an expectation. I know you say she's an advisor. She's an advisor role. And I think we should list Jamie first, Jeremy second. And then the others come on. Right. Okay. So we did know that Barbara knows how to post stuff. So Jeremy might be the webmaster, but he might ask Barbara to post. Right. Barbara knows how to do it, but she's not formally. And Jeremy's been great about helping us out. Yes, he has. He's been great. He's been set over and around the only person who's actually... Right. And that's why we're anxious to get somebody. And I think we need to take some of that workload off of him. Yeah. And Jamie's aware, it sounds like for what you're saying, what's documented here that it is not just this like where it will be others as well. Yep, okay. And that's why she's committed to checking Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Because she goes away quite often in the winter and she's gone for three, four, five weeks at a time. Because I've talked to her about that. You know, we're still going to need this stuff done. Yeah. And that's why she said she would be committed to doing at least every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Yep. So... And so then the other things that are in your outline Denise, your proposal is things we've already talked about, content that's needed, appointments and reappointments, that's to commissions please. And then some broader things, rearrange zoning stuff. Yeah, there's a lot. There's some work that needs to be done. She and I have talked about it that if you go to our website right now and try to find something on zoning, it doesn't make... To me, it's not intuitive, it doesn't make any sense where you find some of this stuff. So I'd like to work with her to suggest some changes. Because I don't think it's easy to find stuff. I can't find it. Well, finding that application to be your own room, side, and other... Yeah, that's good. It's in there. It's buried. Where I found it wasn't really intuitive. To me, it should be under the highway. I'm not aware of that. Maybe that's where I could find it. I think that's where we... But if this is something that's got a time-sensitive thing, it wasn't right out front. It was... It's under a highway apartment. It's under a highway. There's no reason why it can't be in two places. I mean, that should have a blinker that says time-sensitive deadline. Well, and there's no reason why it can't be in two places because some people might not think highway, they might think it's the line for it. So we could put it under the line for it. So if you look at the zoning stuff, it will make a head explode. Well, because most of the highway stuff is standards and questions and then there's an overweight permit. And then we have ordinances and standards mixed with applications are all... So they should be separate. Well, so what you're getting to, John, and actually Denise, what you are getting to as well is I had a conversation with Jeremy about what is the role of the webmaster when I'm learning it isn't really to post the day-to-day stuff. And he said, well, in his mind, it is those bigger issues. It's opening up the Planning Commission's page, meeting with them. Is this current? Do you like it? What's the language? Right, right, change. Or update. Yeah. How do we improve it? So, I mean, Planning Commission is one of many, many examples. I would... I mean, Denise said you'd like to work with it, but I would suggest that we invite Jamie to take... I'm just constantly aware of all the things we have going on right now, and we all do respect that to one person. Your opinion. Denise's opinion may be different than somebody else. So I would invite Jamie to say bring together a focus group and get input from people with different brains. That's it. And let her kind of take charge of a project to see how people think about the website and what makes sense when they're organizing. Well, if anybody has... Like Denise has ideas, she'll argue they can email to Jamie. Sure. Well, I didn't ask Jamie, though. She just has something to hit the board with. I just don't want her to feel like because we're the select board, we get to... We get to, you know, I mean... No, it shouldn't be input from everybody. In terms of like, where's the best place to find something? If we say could you put it here, she'll do it, but in terms of like overarching... Well, my thought was that I have her look at the planning commission page, see what she thinks, and talk to the planning commission about... Is it that that's where you found zoning and that's weird to hear? There's something weird. Every time I go to find stuff, I'm not going to find it. Anyway, my idea was to have her... Maybe they scheduled her at each of these board commissions and committees to come and talk with them about the website. And that level of thinking about what's the architecture of the website. That's weird. It's something I know that Jeremy is interested in. I really like the idea of having some kind of repository. It isn't too much work where we actually have anything that was deadline, like you said, one location, and when the deadline is passed, it goes off, you know, settled. That way... And it can just be a link to the appropriate documents. Not due wisdom. And I think you did ask for that application to be on the landing page. It was. And John may have been. The deadline... It was on it, because I've never seen it. Yeah, I think it was. Oh, okay. But it also, like, occurred to me with the office staff to see, you know, what works, what does work. We just did have a website revamped. And I'm not sure I agree with... How some of that stuff works, but... I think... I mean, I spend time on other talent websites for my work, and how ours is organized is very consistent with whatever that... Right, because that architecture background is. That's pretty simple. Our website is very big, so... Right, yeah. It is. Okay. Still as nice that we got active deadlines to just have it as a one... It's a link to the actual place of the website. So, is this effective immediately, like when Lisa gets the minutes, graphs for tonight done? Do they go to... I think we want to... I consider... I said, can we make a backup deal first? Okay. So, as far as... So, anybody else have questions or comments about this? John? And are we good with... Did I put them out? Oh, we need to figure out what are we going to offer the stipend. I'm suggesting... she's going to do all this meeting with all these groups and people. Before we get to that, one thought I have is... is... to... I mean, it's... due to these responsibilities, we've got a person's name in there, like, you know... I just said, we've got a person's name in it. You've got Jamie's name in it. And that's where I'm like... Oh, you want a generic sign? Yeah, I'm thinking of a generic. On the other hand, I know that Jeremy is still... Well, you already said, Jamie is first, Jeremy can be like a backup. Right. I mean, there are certain things that he's going to want to post. So we just say primary and then secondary or something like that. I don't know how else... I'm sort of struggling with it too and yet, what do you call them? The primary webmaster would be Jamie. Right, one is a webmaster and one is the assistant to the webmaster. Or just backup. Or as the opposite. I don't know, I feel like I realize we're overthinking it. So is Jamie... I was hearing Jamie's primary and then Jeremy's kind of the backup. Yeah, I think so. And I think we have to not box ourselves in as Jamie's working with the groups or Jeremy. We might need to alter the duties, add duties, move things around so I would ask that we have some flexibility to come back and absolutely, but can we take that one step of taking of saying that the town... It's not the town clerk, it's Jeremy, right, who is the... No, it's the town clerk. The town clerk is... Judy was. That's been... It goes through the position. So Jamie is the primary webmaster. The town clerk is the backup. I think I don't want to say backup. Second. I don't want to get any pushback to this. Either way, but that gets the names out if we... And you understand this was just a quick... No, I totally do. It's... It's great and we can lock the names away, draft off and say... Okay, so we'll have the primary, then the town clerk will be the second, and then the town clerk can assign office staff as needed to do various duties. So I don't even know what delegate that is. He doesn't delegate as he does. Okay. I have a question. You said that Jamie is going to keep track of hours and work load. Yeah, what are the... System, site, board, assistant. Are you suggesting that down the road, site, board, assistant would take over the role? I think so. And then maybe you make... We have three, so we have lots of backup. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean this is now getting we out. I just like the security, what we're going through right now is having stuff spread out. They roll going on with the one company never doing something else, Jamie. So if we lose somebody, we don't lose totality of work after in that office. And I imagine too that a select board assistant would take this on, but not as a job number one. It's like first, you know, Jamie's got it good, we've got her, you know, so we can honor somebody to take over. Right. I think that's a natural thing for a select board assistant to do. Right. And then if Jamie loves doing it and wants to keep being the lead, I'd be like fine. Yeah. I think we're really lucky to have on the, yeah, which to John's point, redundancy is really important. Okay, so you're going to make those changes we're talking about to kind of get names out and just get slightly more formal. I don't see anything else we need to do right now. It looks like a great start. Thank you. So do we have this? I made the motion. So you made the motion to appoint Jamie as the primary webmaster with a monthly stipend of $200. Right. Is there a second? Okay, somebody seconded. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. And then I'll communicate with Jamie about this. She hasn't seen this. Let's adopt this. So is there a motion to adopt the webmaster duties and responsibilities as revised in our discussion? Second. Okay, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. And you'll, I'll take care about this. Contacting Jamie. Suggesting she meet with Jeremy and the various various committees. That's great. Thank you. I'm not so much appreciated. Okay. David Healy. You got extra time now. Five or nothing. Are we done? We're four minutes ahead. Five, five, five. So, yes. Well, it's been a long time since then. I'm trying to do better about learning our guests to the time we have a lot. So, yeah, John's right. We're a little ahead of schedule. We have about, so don't waste it. 14 minutes. Okay, so for the record of David Healy. David Healy. Yeah. As well as Big Thumbnail. Big Thumbnail. Okay, go ahead. I think the last time I really met with the board was October. I mean, we put out monthly newsletters that put in front porch board. And they're pretty good. I mean, we're trying to do better. Anyway. But since we last met we've hired an engineering firm to do the engineering and manage the construction. Yeah, who was that? NRTC, National Rural Telecommunications Co-op. The national company that we hired an executive director, Janiel Smith who started about three weeks ago. And then she's terrific. What's her name? Janiel J-E-N-N-I-L-L-E. Interesting. Where is she from? She lives in Bristol. Oh, she's a native. And the last six months have been herculean women. And we've also contracted with Watesfield Shempling Telecom, Shempling Valley Telecom to be the operator in the ISP. So we're ready to do that too. And we had a competitive RFP for all that. I mean a lot of work went into that. I spent a lot of time in Maine and Watesfield looking at the two companies that we had. We had three, four. We narrowed it down to two, company in Maine and the company NRTC teamed with Watesfield Shempling Telecom. And the good part of that is the Northeast Kingdom CUD, which is our own same management, same operator. So Watesfield Shempling Valley is going to be doing all of them tomorrow. Well, we're hoping. They said they do. They said they do. And it's going to roll out in a paced way anyway. So, it's going to be 1100 miles of fiber. NRTC has just finished what they call the executable project plan. So there's a whole document now to guide the whole construction and the deployment. And the phased network that we're talking about and I don't know how you have prepared a slide for this, but the design of the network is now got 24 distribution areas. What are we talking about? The CV fiber network. Calus is divided into six of the distribution areas. Six out of 24. And it's sort of done on an engineering basis and I can't tell you how they did it. It had to be so many service points per area and the good news is this is not public yet. Most of Calus is being done on camera. On camera, yes. Early in the queue. Let's put it that way. We are early in the queue. And the detailed engineering for Calus will be done on July 1st. We're going to start or it's going to be done? The engineering design will be done on July 1st. And we're playing to start the network construction sometime in it looks like October by the time we get bids from construction companies and materials. That's the other thing. The materials supply chain issues are huge. We have four to six month delays on certain equipment. Particularly the electronics. But even some weird things are taking four months to get. But we did we put out a bid we're getting all the results for our materials bit today. And on Friday we heard from the state we asked for $8.8 million from the state for materials and they gave us $6 million on Friday. So we have money to buy the materials so that's the good news. And what else do I have to say? So in summary we're moving, you know, even though it's three years, of course you know we've been working on this for a long time. It seems like the inertia is there now to make it happen and you know, we're on a pretty good roll. So the schedule I see is between the fall of this year and 2024 we'll do all 896 locations in Calis. We're only getting money to serve the underserved, which is 539, which is one of the highest proportion in the region. That's why 39 households are underserved. And so that's one of the total number of households. So what's the difference between underserved and... They do not have cable or fiber, but there's no fiber in Calis so they don't have cable. So if you don't have Comcast you don't have... You're underserved. Everybody on this board is underserved. So underserved doesn't mean economically? No, it just means broadband speeds, broadband speeds. I don't think that... So the blue line on the map is the name Trump coming through. That's the backbone. And then everybody else will be served over. The blue dots that John is looking at are the people who have cable. So the red dots are the underserved. So we have 896... Locations. Total locations. Houses. And buildings. And 539 of those are underserved and therefore going to be addressed between October and May. 2024. Oh. The bulk of them will be done in the first phase. And... So I just want to circle back to my memory because these guys know I don't remember details very well but I remember this detail. That we were... we were going to Calis was going to be underserved to Calis was going to be done in 2022. I remember hearing that last year. So that's finally slipping a little bit. Oh, definitely slipping. I'm not surprised either. So the blue line... It's just the backbone. I probably shouldn't have put that on the map but... And John has told me that it follows telephone poles. And the wek... I mean, not the power poles. Power poles. So the spurs off the blue line are... They'll be going everywhere. Yeah, they'll be going everywhere. The little red dots are everybody. The little red dots are the underserved and they're pretty much everywhere. Yeah. You can see Route 14 is served and then the cable area that goes from Worcester Naval Corner is served. The reason is we also have to run the fiber to get to the red dots which means we'll be going through people who have decent internet right now. So the state will pay for the line to get to the underserved but we can't use state money to connect the underserved. So that's one of the reasons that... Right, so how do you keep trying to do that? About address. When we submit our construction grant application we have to give them every address in the town. What they are, who they are, are we running through an area? So you're going to get their E911 addresses and then each size? They gave us the rules. Right. Who figures out who's the served one? They've already figured it out. They've already figured it out. For example, West County Road we have to run fiber of West County Road to get to the Woodbury line. So that fiber is going to go right by every house on West County Road. It's already figured out as being served. Even though they're served, we're going to get paid to run that line. That's good. But we're not getting money to connect those houses. They got it today. They either have to pay up. One of the suggestions I'm making is to use some of the American rescue plan money to, like, the cow subsidizes those connections. That would be one idea. Not the underserved. Well, the underserved, we can use state money to do that. So it's the other households who might not be underserved. They're all going to outclass them once we get them. And that's considered the served? They're called served. So the public monies are to be saved in state and federal, I guess. The trunk line or the back home or everywhere. I shouldn't put that trunk line in there. Well, no, no, it'll cover that. It'll cover the spurs. And then they run down, say, my road and then from the pole put a wire to the house. Even that a week. We're eligible to use that money for that. Wow. I mean, I have enough money. Well, just get it outside my door. That's okay. So we've estimated the cost to do cows at about $4.2 million including all our crops. The total cost of the project is $55 million. And we think we're going to get $30 million in state grants to do out of the $50 million. $55 million. So we'll be able to share it now if you give more state. If we got that includes the infrastructure bill that just passed, that $30 million. I don't think there's going to be any more crap. So it's still going to be $4.2 million. Correct. So $4.2 and then I see connections is $1.5. That's from the pole to say it's a house. Because that's paid for. And some of it's paid for. I mean, that's the total bill to run connections. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But those are eligible costs. Correct. But that's not the same as saying you have the money to pay for it. Right. Is that where the ARPA funds come in? That's where the ARPA funds come in. I mean, it's your decision about how much you want to put in and how you can earmark it for how you want to spend. You could use it from disadvantaged people, elderly. You could use it for just town buildings where you don't have $4.2 million in ARPA funds to spend. No, you have $479,000. Right, we have a fraction. So when you say connections $1.5 million, that is all connections. That's all connections. That's $800 and what? $800 and what? $96,000. So I guess what drove this discussion tonight, I finally got the ARPA stuff into the U.S. Treasury thing. What a nightmare that was. What a nightmare, you're right. And then we got to go back in and do something else because we plan to do some kind of a public meeting or a survey or something like that. So I feel like you're asking for this money and there's some kind of a September deadline. So that's the benefit. There's a matching program. The matching program is a stable match of one for one. And the match money they give CB5 with TR Money is earmarked for Calis. So if you put in $200,000 the state's going to put in $200,000 so it's $400,000. $400,000 is on average $60,000. The average after the year. Middle sex put in $100,000. East Montpelier is up and down and down the show. I want to make sure I understood you asked the question that he answered but it was a little different than what I understood. So Denise said in addition so in addition to the $30 million the $30 million I don't know, I guess it gets confusing with who's giving how much money and who gets do you use? CB5 is going to get $30 million right now. Without any match? Without any match. If we get the match we can get whatever the towns give us plus the match from the state of Vermont. So we're up to up to $1.6 million. So right now we're at $350,000 out of the eligible amount of $1.6 million. And each district is eligible for this one state? We're at 10% of the state. So the state's total budget in addition to $16 million I think. So you have $30 million that's coming from the state to CB5. Over a four year period. In addition the state has said they will for the state as a whole $16 million. They'll match $16 million and CB5 is $1.6 million which is marked for CB5 but you have to generate the match. That's why that's why you're asking us and every town for as much as they can. How many towns would that $1.6 million be divided over? How many towns would CB5 be serving? We have 21 towns. And we'll be serving $16 million, $17 million. What is the allocation for town if the $1.6 divided by $16 million, $17 million? Yeah. $100,000. And we're not going to get any town that has a water sewer. We're not seeing any. Berry Town even Cabot. We have $50,000 from Cabot to water, sewer, all kinds of problems. Well, they got in the industry. What are we on our arco bank? We're going to have $479, $667 or something like that. So why can't we just don't do what middle sex did? Why don't we put them on the sides? We haven't had you meeting yet. Because we said we would have a process. And that's my problem. I don't really have a problem doing it. We can't do it without the process. We need to schedule probably a separate select board meeting to invite people to come in and talk to us about what they think is an important use of the arco funds. And we've had several different calls which I couldn't keep track of. And some of us seem more of a man. So we're for the sake of the process if we could arrive at a number that the select board is thinking about and let people shoot at that rather than have any number under the sun. I can see this process going on. The select board is high or low. So I've been keeping a spreadsheet of the requests that we received and how much they are asked for. There are some places that serve like the center which I would of course not load on. But we have six towns and they're asking each town for a certain amount of money and this is what they're going to use it for. So that's the kind of thing that I think we need to have ready and say we have a list of the requests we've received and how much what is intended use is for so we should have something to go by and we're going to shoot in the dark. But we do have the list of requests and some of them are for all of it so we're going to have to make a judgment about how the pie gets cut and that to me is a kind of pension. Thank you gentlemen. So to me that is a working session here and it will be public where we just, that's not the hearing. We work on it we say, hold your horses we're working on it, we're going to what we're doing in politics, creating something for people to react to. And then we have the hearing everybody coming at us, what about that? We'll get that after, we have to go where we are starting and there's something we can ask. We have to know how much we've already been, what have we already requested? This is our tool in the mouth. There's one in I think one at 30. And then ECCG had a request. No, let me get out. Okay. Hey, let me make sure that did you ask your question? You were doing it. Do you want to be public? It doesn't go natural. It's really hard to be public. They should just be public. Let me understand. $55 million is the cost of to build the whole network. No. The cost is $4.2 million. And so if we we can't match $6.99 million. So I guess that's kind of my global question is if you were to, and maybe the materials I don't know, I got the materials too late for them to be here tonight. What I would really appreciate David is if Calis is $4.2 million as the total cost what in your board's mind is how $4.2 million where does that money come from? It's kind of my global question. I mean, I'll tell you right now, I mean if Calis is it's all going to be paid for even with grant money or we're going to go to the bond bank and finance restaurant. So the subscription rates are going to be based on a business model of 10 years to tell us what the cost of being subscribed is. Okay. So to the extent that we don't have to borrow money and it's grants then the subscription rates, yeah that's right. So it's a sort of a weird thing. So I'm just thinking, you know this is just kind of bare bones to give you this point. We're going to need to have at least in our minds eye a priority scheme and if you remember the conversation at the select board when our former clerk and treasurer brought up the issue of not having a high-speed internet and the conversation that ensued with Comcast wanting to suck us dry and anyway so we've said we want this and we recognize it's important to the function of the town. I see the main trunk lines going right past the town office so it's going to be a little easier but if we want to see this happen for the town government's sake I think that's a high priority and it remains high priority. We did defer, we did say we're not going to spend 70,000 under 100 on Comcast because we're going to invest in this instead and that makes more sense and so now we made a commitment there we walked away from that we moved to this David's invested all this time I think he was chair or person or something too I really think that that gets a higher priority then I'm sorry the other 20 non-profits the other thing is I feel like that we are in terms of equivalency as we talked earlier about middle sex being equivalent we have 45 less people than we do population wise I think being comes or more or less the same I think I would argue this town has a little bit more money overall so I think that we should have in our minds eye $100,000 note anyway and that may be short of what we should commit and it's also middle sex has the same number of households more or less so I just think that's an invention mark and then I think part of what we can do as more we can maybe rank and then Bonnie has a ranking sheet set up for much more funding for town set it up to help you so we are super motivated and we are trying to be careful about I think what I would really need to say this is what we would like including for middle sex it would have been great if they gave us across these towns based on their different populations and their need if you came up with the optimal number so we could get the optimal amount of the town that would be good and we could know how much we are short of it and I can tell you in middle sex they already have a third of their town has fiber so they are ahead of us and so they have fewer houses and they gave the $100,000 so this is different the fact is that I'm willing to give you the $100,000 number come from what would be with that $100,000 you are going to get the town of Calis is going to get $200,000 you know the other number what would be what is a fair number for Calis as compared to the middle sex you are going to have to figure that out I think that's our job if you go back to COVID and the pressure that homosexuals were on there not having right it was painful you are our representative I would like advice what you think is the optimal number optimal number you want to know $200,000 that's what I want to know and I don't know how cheap you are and maybe we can do that we'll still have $200,000 I'd like to know that too I'm thinking about what people are going to react to is it possible to give some idea what that monthly rate looks like to the subscribers so if we put this much in if we put that much in how that will impact that can we see I can show a little bit it's not going to be perfect if we can get a range if a spouse can be for on a monthly basis for people and we are working on an equity plan to subsidize so what you're asking what I'm thinking whatever doesn't get financed from our postage it's going to go to the bond bank so do you have so it would be good to have maybe you guys have done this but if you had to go to the bond bank for a million dollars what's the subscription cost to be what does your dollar make impact they're not going to be able to afford we finished the subscription so how do we make that affordable and if we have the more money we have to borrow it's going to be so it would be good to have some kind of an idea I'll come back with a cheat I think folks need to be mindful if I got this right the cost is not 4.2 million it's 4.2 plus 1.5 that's it and if you take the one just the connection amount and again those are the underserved people and you divide that over the number of houses 539 it comes to 1674 dollars per household so if you just look at I'm looking at that $200,000 in terms of the overall scheme $200,000 doesn't even get us the connections so we're way shorter with this cost how did you think of it think of another I took 1.5 million and I divided it by 539 and those are all the connections that are the other people have high speed so that's at minimum what we want to subsidize if possible or they're going to be on the hook for 1674 dollars just to get connected even though the wire is outside the house that's over the 10 years or whatever I get 2780 1.5 million divided by 500 divided by 896 divided by 896 okay I think this is probably going to be the biggest part of whatever we do for our 16th piece of it so you've kind of heard the question we've asked and trying to understand the information because you you live and breathe and we don't so I see you basically I know the range of questions so it's kind of the questions that we've asked to put it down on some kind of a paper simple so that when we're having our working sessions and our meeting we can say to people here's the church great and then I guess the other part of this you're talking about serving a town office but what did we just do in Kent corner to serve the town office that I asked about did you get a chance to read my email no do you want to let's finish this I guess is that too separate so you got the answer too did you I haven't checked on it so in one way we lucked out in one way we didn't luck out the original proposal I know Sharon you were here she was the town appropriate you said 35,000 in the email I thought it was 30 it should be in minutes right but to run Velco and Washington Elector we're running a fiber from east Montpelier substation to the maple corner substation and we beg them to run it right from Kent Museum down to here and so right good question so when I found out that what they were running this is only about five months ago that the fiber that Velco is running is not connectivity fiber and what it's just middle-mile fiber that goes from substation to substation and so they ran the company they hired Crossbow they did run the metal strand from Kent Connaught to this pole here so it's ready for fiber but it didn't get put up but that's not what they promised to do they were never going to they were going to run fiber but we had no idea we didn't have our engineering done Barry and we were all excited about getting you fiber getting you served and so in terms of the I would say you can now that I've opened the can of worms because you asked for an invoice I asked Velco to tell me what it was they paid for it so we don't have anybody talking about it well we probably owe somebody fifteen thousand dollars but to see my point is what we wire that goes we don't have to just wire that thing so that is the hardest part was getting from pole to pole to pole so we still don't know what we were hoping to get correct you can bail on the support wire it's a support wire for the fiber so we can bail on it on what grounds well I mean they didn't finish the project they never had a contract with the town or CB fiber they were working for WAC and if I hadn't stopped the project about January when they were still working we would have made a big mistake but why didn't anybody tell us oh I didn't get to come no I mean I've offered to come many months yeah so we have so we don't have an invoice we don't have anybody anything but you said what we're doing is WAC is going to have to fit the bill I don't know who's going to fit the bill I don't see what happens in Westcombs where a CB fiber will pay the bill because we need that strand but we we budgeted that in this fiscal year we did not budget it going forward in the next fiscal year so she did her due diligence today David where's the invoice if we don't have an invoice to pay in this fiscal year then we also can the money stays at the town there's one who should pay and say the other I'm going to explain this is sort of complicated but I'll try to make it simple no CB fiber is a municipal entity created by a statute that says we cannot get town so when you're going to go through WAC we should care we're a municipality but the old statute says we're not allowed to use the property tax base to finance the construction and so that's why this thing's a little problematic for you to pay CB fiber this fiber would be using town tax money so that's why we would be taking so that's why we would be using Velco or WAC I mean if Velco says to have an invoice I don't know well I only emailed you and Bill the internet has said over and over we need to get an invoice for it and so it's like okay I'm going to tell you guys do we want to we're running way over I have a question for the group though because it will inform David's the is promising us so do we want to at least pencil in our minds when we would want to have which I enjoy September 1st is the deadline I think we need to I don't really have time to do as part of a regular working our regular meetings in July or on the 11th on the 25th we need to start early we don't have to go there yet because we don't have a full agenda not yet so let's just that's what I wanted to hear from the group if we plan on a work session on July 11 then we'll have to figure out when we get closer to building our agenda or a meeting or two of it whether we can actually do it on the 11th or do we need to do a separate time because I think we already talked about something else and we'll do it but just for us to know that so David that means that your one or two page outline of exactly I think you're going to see some the numbers that we are talking about tonight and maybe you'll build them out a little bit I would ask that you get those to us if we're going to let's assume we're going to do this on July 11th by July June June is great by the end of June by the end of June and you know kind of down as much as possible so people like me will understand but the numbers need to be smart no they need to break I'm not asking to make numbers up just so that I mean if we get something to equate what investment would we make right into how much we're going to get out of there I don't know how do you do an advisory vote I'd like to put on a record that we're toying with a $200,000 number subject to public input you just said it and you expressed it well I was thinking a vote of us and I don't want to do that I don't want to do that but you got it I think we can say the board we heard the suggestion of carving out $200,000 in your one pager that you're going to send us it's going to mention this $200,000 maybe it would be good to have some what that means not something David to be clear the $200,000 in a couple of minutes would come out of ARPA money which we have a sum total amount of $400,000 so if the public were to read it and say oh my god that crazy select board did they go again spending $200,000 thinking about spending $200,000 on our tax dollars that's not what we're proposing it would be less than half of the ARPA money and you know and we made when we do our working session we're not responding to we may say they may be able to do more we're just going to make this we're just going to make this a really open public process of people because people hear about this money on the news it's like well what am I going to do with it and we want to make sure people have an opportunity to speak up we don't want to lose access to that one to one match if you do it as a diet it's a process we have already got a lawyer drafted up an agreement well and I think for what you just said we're going to have a working session for the board after a while we'll have some of this information and then we'll schedule a public hearing and you know we might have 10 people we might have 100 depending on what's out there and the more public we're going to have a meeting with questions well I think we could post some stuff on the website we could be tasked with a new primary website master but I think when we meet as a board to go over this scheduled public meeting we have to say any request or consideration has to be received by the select board by so that if we have more money available we can match by September 1 well we can say right now if we're able to hold our meeting by July 11 we will be looking for by the end of June if we're able to schedule our work group I'll just make that up June 24 July still there? we're going to just send it July if we have our work group by June and then June we know we're acting something like that if we have our work groups session by July 11 we will want we will be asking for any input that we don't already have by the end of June so we have it for our working group we have our working group meeting on July 11 put stuff together, schedule the public what did I think? what did I miss about what you said? I don't know I heard you saying Denise that we might have a deadline by which we've asked people to bring ideas also to extend all the public hearing for say August 8 if it's going to be part of this he's getting very nervous I'm getting nervous you've been talking a lot so we we don't have I'm silent about David's face I've heard from you so we may need to be thinking about a working session in June that's what I'm thinking if you're looking to have something done by July if we don't even have a working group of the board until July 11 that's not going to work didn't we cite July 11 for the working board working sessions I know so that's not going to work so you're talking about soliciting ideas by June that's what I was the list of ideas that I'm talking about that I wasn't working on that list, yes, by June I'm talking about when we have a public hearing and we hear from people there's other great cause and I'm going to have a deadline for that so I'm imagining a place where we say out loud, hello people if you haven't given us a thought on the money, we really want to have that before we have our work session so that before we have our work session so that when we go to a hearing with the public we've at least made the request that people put all the ideas forward in case there's something out in the woodwork that hasn't come forward yet that's all I'm saying is that when we draw our pie and start dividing our thoughts about it for the public to react to at the hearing we've made kind of a last call request which doesn't mean when people come to a hearing they aren't perfectly free to say hello I have a new idea that's what I want to be sure of course they can but we can still say please don't do that to us please bring things forward earlier the reaction to how we kind of you know, weighted things instead of a bunch of new ideas that's what I'm trying to do alright, okay what along with that would be like we asked we would have the detail actually make a good weighted decision well just by having this conversation if people are reading the minutes and following they'll still hear so I'm thinking about ideas and I'll check the time that you've gotten the thought of posting something on our porch forum letting folks know that we need if they have our final request that we need to receive them by June 30 our working group reading is the 11th our select work working reading is the 11th so and that will be and then maybe the next meeting what we need to do on June 13 on June 13 on June 13 on June 13 what we need to do then is lay out this timeline and break all this stuff alright okay we crossed the line here thank you alright I'm not going to say anything more about that invoice right? yeah the reason it was a three page agenda we misworn the last meeting so the items we voted on we had to re-vote on so they all got re-published this is actually all the items that we've given more time to ignore this is our pattern we get too tired and the last item always goes wrong well I think sometimes the last item is the one we've been waiting for thank you thank you so much you've been awesome thanks a lot for your work okay so no I want to make sure I don't want to not go through what's coming up so today is the 23rd this meeting is the 13th so this is the 15th Monday month we have two weeks before next meeting see you reading I'm reading on the curb cut I want to just let everybody know that Stephanie Kaplan chair of the conservation commission saw this item on our agenda and you talked to her about it too and so they are actually interested in providing input on the curb cut ordinance and our application and whatever was it which is great which I think unfortunately means that it slows us down but it will be more thorough I think having their input will be really helpful especially when we are talking about are you going to cut this this does not just have to be about ashtow engineer I like this she really had she has some thoughts about actually what we have talked about a lot and have not been able to really land which is how do we integrate road maintenance curb cut all of the stuff that relates to travel with environmental stewardship so they are willing to take a lead and I actually also review the curb cut ordinance and statute for us as a courtesy as she is an attorney and just like pick out does it need to be updated here and there anyway so they are going to work on all that they are going to work on all of that so that will come off for the 13th I might bump it into like the last meeting in July to give them time no July because they only meet once in like that and they already met on the 18th so I am figuring they are probably not going to meet again until around the 15th I need to talk to Stephanie I am going to put it in the second meeting of June as a placeholder June or July July I would love to work with them on that give her a call especially if they have meetings in public we want to we want Jeremy next meeting just because it has been a while since we have been connected with them so that will be June 13 we have a couple of consent are we going to have a runway application is that going to be I talked to Ron Thompson today I had the training phone calls I didn't bring that with me but I think it can be on June I think it will be ready for June 13 J.A. McDonald it's a little complicated J.A. McDonald is involved it's really wet it's really for a wet conduit J.A. McDonald is doing the work the property owners are Ron Thompson and then his daughter across the street Sylvia so they need to sign the application because it's their property it's not J.A. McDonald's property REC probably technically it's quite a way so it may I worked on it some time I have talked to Ron a few times three times on that whole thing we don't need to talk about it we need to get a compliant application so it can be on the agenda we might be able to do that a couple of meetings ago the group authorized me and Jeremy to work on a third party and we were making really good progress I'm we are making good progress and yes so that I really wanted to keep good yeah but we have to task for a wealth functioning board we keep carrying this but I think this really ties into getting a job description for a select board assistant because so much of what you do it's kind of behind the scenes is the stuff that I'm hoping I have a list do you want to send it around to everybody? let's do that that's the place to start are you going to be ready to talk about speedcars next meeting? sure I've got quite a bit of information now questions on that I can kind of give us a cost but budget wise do we want to make a decision on where we're going to take that I think that would be I would encourage you to make that part of your proposal well I don't know where we're going to I mean we can that depends on what our overall obligations are you know from here in particular can you work with Alfred and Toby on seeing where it might fit I'm just recognizing that if we have that discussion here we'll end up spending an hour half an hour you know the problem is that's say in the transportation budget so maybe or maybe not it's a tight budget it may be that you guys with sharp concepts say you know what it really isn't here and that we have to carry it as a proposal for the next year's budget are we have enough money to buy it one sign but we don't want to we don't want to be looking for the money here so Toby knows the budget and as well as we do I'm just thinking hang on that we're doing a lot of detail here and this is supposed to be the future we're having our end of discussion I'm not trying to say are we going to be ready or are we not going to be ready DRV re-appointment is a non-issue and we've applied a couple of issues like in tonight we don't want to add to June 13 unless we don't have to do it is officially formally or officially whatever you want to call it to reopen the upstairs for municipal use I think the board should officially say yeah so John thank you what we're trying to do here is just say yes I'm going to be ready and then we're also going to talk about on that that meeting we're going to do the item in the case of the town office for meetings yes thank you I knew there was something it's a good thing you and I both are keeping a list and we think make it clear it's when the clerk's office after the clerk's office hours for evening I don't want evening meetings they're not there on Fridays but Jeremy we're not outside the regular hours outside outside the regular hours anything else that's on people's minds next meeting and then I would ask you to please kind of look ahead to some of the other items that are in our queue alright do we want to go into an executive session for I think not okay so is there a motion to adjourn yes so moved all in favor thank you Lisa thank you