 Hi everyone, welcome back to Tiny Mic Interviews at DEF CON 31. Today we are at the policy village with Noni. And I felt like this was such an important village to really highlight this year because this year more than ever I feel like we're seeing more and more people talk about hackers, security, security breaches, data breaches in a policy in law, in regulation. And more than ever I think that this village needs that feature. So tell me about what's happening at the policy village just here. Absolutely, I'm happy to be here. So I'll start with a little bit of background. So traditionally you see this field as in two different posts, two different sites. You have one side of it, you have more individuals on that field with policy, legal background. On the other side you have individuals on the whole with information security and hacker background. And oftentimes you don't have the spaces to interact with two communities and bring them together in these spaces. And so that is what the policy department said twice today. We try to create the opportunities in order to bring policy makers into the hacker community space and talk about these issues that I have in mind as a way of really creating more of a cohesion to us as these groups. So we're officially part of DEF CON this year. We've had a presence at Preview DEF CON this past couple of years. And I think it's been pretty interesting and exciting to see the level of interest across all our different sessions this year. We have a session earlier today that talked about what is policy one-on-one. How can we think about this as an issue that is important to the hacker community? And the rule was packed. Similarly, we had another one-on-one session that talked about international cyber policy. How does that hand itself across different communities here in the DEF CON space? Once again it was packed. And so I think there is a lot of interest in terms of better understanding policy, but for policy makers to better find ways to connect with hackers in these spaces. So you mentioned earlier that there were some policy makers here at DEF CON. How has the outreach been from policy makers to your village? Yeah, so we've had a really healthy representation from policy makers at DEF CON in previous DEF CONs, but also this one. It's been really nice to see that there's an OAS delegation that came to attack. We also have the current Acting Director of the National Cyber Directorate. We have the Head of CISA, Janice Trulli joining us. We've had former NCD Director Chris English joining us for the session as well. And so the very healthy is that much of the representation of the individuals across government that are making a breakthrough in taking the time to actually plug into these discussions, get to know the cyber community, but also share their insights and perspectives on issues that have an intersection between hackers based in the past. So for the people who are at home and interested in getting into policy and hacker policy, what are some of your favorite resources that you think are super helpful? Yeah, well so first of all join us at policy at DEF CON. We don't be delighted to have you. Come on by, there's many ways to stay in touch with us. There's many social media channels. We have a newsletter where we push out a lot of content. And obviously if you'd like to volunteer at policy at DEF CON, come over here and we'd love to have you. That's awesome. Is there anything that you'd love to tell the people who are watching at home about policy to wrap everything up? Sure. I think it is such an important issue area that has so many insights and bringing in the hacker community. It's such an important aspect of our policy in a more inclusive and cohesive way. And so this is not something that we can do alone as individuals that have more of a policy background. This is something we can all do together. And so encourage more like a future for them in this space. So check out the policy village here at DEF CON. Thank you so much for this. I'm so excited to get more eyes on this village. So thank you so much. Thank you. Also, bye everyone.