 to order. I don't expect that Linley will be here tonight, so let's just be the four of us. And just need an approval for the agenda this evening, other than we are going to change the date to 9-11. All in favor? All right. All right. And first up, public comment. So if there's anything that's not on the agenda that you want to do, I'll go to Paul's only other person. Paul, you have anything online? Yeah. Can you hear me? Yep. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Good to see you folks again. Thank you for all you do. Yeah, it was just kind of neat to see we got a couple of new businesses coming to town over the weekend. It looks like we've got Tony's snack shack and then something wicked cannabis company coming to town. So it's good to see some growth in the downtown. So that's all good. The cannabis company, there actually is another one going in. That's what's going into Richardson's country store. I think they said it's going to be like cannabis country store. So neither one of their permits approved yet from the state. But so I'm not sure if we'll see two or if one will make it to fruition and one won't. There's a lot of regulations about cannabis and what you have to have for infrastructure and cameras and stuff. So it'll be interesting to see. But yeah, Tony's been emailing him about his EU and for Seward and Water. And he's hoping I think to get going maybe in October, Paul. Yeah. And the other folks are looking for December 1st. They didn't say where they were going to be landing yet. They don't want to do that until they have assigned lease. But they were hopeful to be getting going by December 1st. They're advertising for somebody to be somebody on the counter basically. But you have to go through the training that the state dictates and all of the stuff that you just mentioned too. So yeah, but it's nice to see some growth downtown. Definitely. Thank you. Thanks Paul. All right, Rick. Also, good to see you all. Thanks for all the time you guys put in the town once a lot. I'm here representing the town meeting committee today. I was talked to Teresa just about a couple of hours late getting on the agenda. So she said just come in and speak for a few minutes under public comment, which I will be brief. Just wanted to update you guys. Since we started meeting again after town meeting, there's been a lot of discussion between us and the Equity and Inclusion Committee about doing possibly doing quarterly forums on topics of interest or concern of people in town. And we already were working on scheduling this week. We'll have our meeting. Susan Clark. I may have mentioned this to you guys before. She's the Middlesex town moderator. She's also authored or co-authored two or three books on town meeting history and all the elements of the pluses and minuses of different forms of town meeting. And because of what the Australian ballot question came up and there may be more people are thinking of in that regards, we thought it'd be great for her to come and talk with. She was here once about 10, at least 10 years ago. And we had a good response at that time. And that's what initiated the Bethel Operator's Manual publication that the town meeting committee had a subgroup that created that for Bethel. So we're having her back here in October. The dates you have to be set just to reinvigorate that discussion. And she's, since over the past 10 years or so, she's done some more studies and has some interesting data on the forms of town meeting and where it all goes. Interesting information. So and so that's as far as I said, we're hoping to do quarterly meetings in the spring because of the Australian ballot. There's going to be, we're hoping to have a candidate for the candidates who won't run for all of our elected offices. So that's something we'll be working on. And then Jean has spoken to me about addressing the climate change on a local level and we'd be working that into probably the second quarter. So anyway, we're going to have a table at the Ford Festival coming up on the 23rd with a questionnaire for to get more input on the people who are there. And we need to expand that a little bit and send some out just to, you know, make people aware of what we're doing and try to get some more interesting ideas and concerns of what people have. So kind of because of all of that and because of our moniker as the town meeting committee, the committee has been thinking and proposed that we change our actually change our name to the Civic Engagement Committee, which would include the town meeting as part of their work. So it'd be kind of a little more encompassing, wouldn't be just specific to the town meeting because that's kind of a, you know, it comes and goes and then it's six, nine months and before anything else pops up. And there's been some interest on having those type of town meeting conversations, maybe a little more of an open forum, not quite so formatted. So we're looking for your input on that as far as what your thoughts are, as far as the name change. I'm not sure the formality we have to go to. We are a town committee that you folks approved members to be on and we run under the auspice of the town. So it would be kind of a big change in the name, but hopefully maybe a little more on-campus-ing. So all in a matter of fact, are you good now? Yes. I wasn't sure. I'm pretty sure everybody, I can check with you because I know there were two that at the last meeting were supposed to submit. Okay, Karen. Karen and Lisa did. I think Karen and Lisa did. Yeah, I was sure about that for Becca's members. She, well, she was for me. Oh, she was. Okay. This is not like yet terms. Myself and Lylee, I think, I think Lylee did. Yeah, she did, right. So, okay, I think for sure we've got that covered. Oh, good. Yeah. So anyway, just wanted to let you know about that. If you have any input on the name or, you know, if you follow with me on that later, that's not anything for a shout-out. So you said Civic Engagement Committee? Yeah. Just from sitting around like this and throwing out names and ideas and what about this with Becca? So it's kind of hopefully, there's a little more of a buy-in for people, for people, they're engaged in Civic issues and try to get it. And as far as I don't know about, this is the right way to say it, but get more wordy. It's something that people might not fully understand that like, yeah, there's that. Town Hall Committee, everybody knew what that was. Sorry. Town Hall Committee, everybody knew what that was. Yeah, it did. Town Hall or Town Meeting? Yeah. Yeah, we were at Town Hall Committee at one point, or there was one. But, you know, we thought that was a little restrictive for me. Town Meeting is once a year. And it's good. We need to focus on that to do it. But there's other things that they're feeling there's a need. Don't start going away from those words. We're already in a, we're almost lost our Town Meeting. Well, and everybody wants to do all this different stuff. And I think I'm going to live long enough to see that we're gone. I wouldn't agree. I do what you want to have. Does the Committee currently have a mission statement or anything like that? We do. So, if you're thinking about changing the name, would you be changing your mission statement to cover whatever they're doing? Yeah, the statement is helping foster informed and engaged citizens creating an environment in which individuals are welcome, respected, supported, and valued. Is that for all of us? No, that's what it's been. We came to the select board with that. Back in Carl's, Russell's days. It's kind of pretty wide-ranging. Yeah, helping foster informed and engaged citizens. So, it's not like the mission statement was necessarily going to happen. Right. Yeah, that's okay. What was yours called? I think weren't you and one other person a member? We tried to start a vision committee for the Town. So, the vision kind of goes in front of the Town Plan. So, but just never got it. Was it just you and Lylee? Yeah. I mean, we just got it off the roof. I mean, it's not enough people that wanted to look at it, but it was... Yeah, and you know, this may be a same thing. A group of people may have some good ideas of whether it resonates with enough people that really will see how it goes. A few we did several years ago were pretty well attended. We combined it with like a potluck or a dessert type thing and tried to send it in front of, you know, enough people that it was looking good. Dave, is it something like that you don't like the word civic? So, maybe if it was citizen engagement, I mean, do you feel like there's something that resonates with you more than another? I like the light that when it becomes, when it goes from this name, this name. Yeah, well, it's still the town meeting committee. It's still just three words, but yeah, I'm just wasn't sure if you had a like, and maybe two, it's also hard because you don't want to see town meeting go away. So, to have the name change probably makes you feel like you're on the losing end of that battle. Yeah, like I said, I'm almost positive that once we've gone to this much Australian ballot, and I mean, look at Randolph, they have the town meeting information, make 10 people out of $6,000 show up, 20 on a good day. I mean, those things that Susan Clark has informational, yeah, it's kind of eye-opening for people. Yes, kind of the best of both worlds is town meeting and civic engagement committee. So that we retain town meeting in the title so that we're not signaling to anybody or anybody. I pray that if you walk down the street tomorrow, then after everybody you've talked to, what does civic engagement mean? How could we not have the right answer or any answer at all? If you walk down and say, what does town meeting mean? I'll guarantee you that 90% will give you the right answer. I think with the vote last week, unfortunately, town meeting is probably going to come to an end here in the next couple of years or less of the decade. And it's COVID, it's not bad. The new people moving, it's all the whole culture. So, a new generation and I'm not pleased. Hopefully Susan has some really, maybe people hearing someone who's done such intense work on it and hearing her, maybe we'll change the minds because it's coming from someone not here, not us. It's coming from someone out who really has done the work. We're on the third town that she's done. This is something relatively new that she's been doing. So I think it's Peacham and one other town that she's done this. Well, it's like Royalton last year. I mean, they're supposed to always have their informational town meeting and they cancel that last year. And there was quite the uproar because they were talking about the constable was on there and something else that they didn't get that town administrator, town manager position. And none of that even got brought up other than the board meeting. That's so focused on preserving town meeting as much as possible. You know, the other thing we have to start this fall is promoting, which we haven't done through COVID is the budget process of the town. And the school now is so so apart from us that we need to be active on that as well because people. What do you do? What do you have Susan and Palmer to do, like eat his coffee? Yeah, some sort of thing. Well, come and see me because I'm sure I could, I have some, there's some committee money. So I'm sure that we could help you fund that to get more people to come. And the school is with food and child care. And that I was meeting with them the other day. And they said, we're going to do this quarterly. Do you have any ideas for what we might do in a future? So it might be a good partnership between the two groups is leading that group. Mary shell, I was going to talk about hopefully having this form over there for the town. Right. That's that's a possibility. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a school. The supervisory union is asking that all of their schools have a quarterly community engagement kind of intercalling in a community conversation. That's so important. They do that there is one coming in until and I've got a public comment about that. But this, I like the idea of civic engagement for those who are not native born Vermonters, that speaks volumes in ways that town meeting does not. And we are going to continue to be a go to state for people who are fleeing forest fires and floods. Hey, missed the boat on a flood thing, but yeah, that damper. But so my point is we're going to have more and more people who are speaking with the town meeting idea. And I, I think civic engagement is a powerful yeah. Okay. All right. So appreciate all that input. And I will I will go back with them and propose that. I think that's much needed as well. Right. Right. So anyway, that's well, yeah, that's that's what I was thinking about. Yeah. Yeah, that was brought up as well. And that's why I think Rebecca was one of the, but the one in October is not as far from what you've heard is not Susan Clark at the school, the October event. No, it is something else. What is this? October 5th. The school conversation is is about climate. And it is brought by the energy our energy committee 350 Vermont two rivers and the school to talk about burning versus the title is burning versus burrowing. We're going to burn stuff to get our energy in our heat or are we going to dig into the years and go thermal? Okay. All right. So that 535 30 program five o'clock food. Yep. And schools providing food and child care. Okay. And hoping it's full students to help with small group collaboration. And they still need this or anyone knows anymore. They still need seniors still need so many hours of civic duty work. Right. It's not a house. I'm sure it's not. It's still was on one semester deal. They're pretty broad with the accept that the community service. Okay. Well, thanks very much. And I sent you that email that Jean had sent me about that October 5th. Thank you. So, as I mentioned before, in a temporary seasonal sort of capacity as a phrase or you spend with moment, Judy, I'm going to spend some time with my own Judy on Wednesday and then see where we're at and then maybe bring an American to kind of maybe they're just training or there's been some glitches in the system that should not be happening. So I might have been a bringing them right someone from never to come in and sort of some of the bugs out. And then, of course, we know we can contract with them to do some work. But Pam is also willing once we walk her through how to do like update PTT ours and stuff. She's willing to do some stuff. So be a little collaboration, but we'll still be using maybe using them right through some stuff. And then like I said before, I think we'll be moving towards a town meeting vote to remove the office blisters and go to an outside system. So but in the meantime, Rick has come in a couple times and a few times and and trying to hopefully between all of us we can get it together. Is the jam we have there last day is Friday. So and like I said, I think we'll just regroup once they're once they move on and then we'll regroup and maybe bring them Rick in to do a little training some afternoon for you and I and Pam and they know the software and if there's bugs in it, he is I know Chris Mealy he's going to deal with it. Yeah, exactly. But I think if he comes here, it'll be just easier. So I'll try to I'm going to send him an email. Try to get that going to appreciate that. And this planning commission starts again, September 21. Yeah, something like that. So we're going to be starting to work on the town plan. Great. Well, thanks, Rick. 21. Sorry. Yeah, 21. All right. See you later. Thank you. So next for discussion and the amendment that we talked about before in regards to the ordinance regulating control of garbage. We talked there that when we had gone through the ordinance, there were specifically some manure type issues for farms that weren't directly addressed one way or the other. Yeah, wasn't our intent originally. So I did some research, worked with the notes that we received because we did receive advice from our attorney on what part of the ordinance was that they found was opening us up. And it wasn't this it wasn't the wording manure. It was discarded material. So the only thing so I went through and did some research and read about the required agricultural practices. And so it it seems like the only way we can do this is to exempt them from the ordinance. And that's hence I put in the statement all viruses classified by the state of Vermont Agency of Agriculture Food and Markets shall be exempt from this ordinance as they are required to comply with required agricultural practices per title six of Vermont's statutes annotated. The other thing too is if you, which I don't expect with current owners, but if you had a trash problem there, we can go to the state. We can there's they have their own compliance program. So it's not like just if we exempt them from the whole ordinance, we don't have the ability to do something we do. We would just contact the state and we could go from that direction. But since it's discarded materials, that's I don't know how to fix that. So it wasn't just manure that was the issue. So this is what I came up with is just that statement. And I I did a little more looking and looking and I cannot find in title six, any heading required agricultural practices. I could not find any title had anything to do with discarded materials. Well, is what the lawyer told us. But he I went to title six. So it says under Vermont agency agriculture Vermont. It calls them, it says the required agricultural practices. And it talks about which standards they are. And they gave me a summary. And if I click on this, I guess you can go on. I'm looking on what I found under title nine. There's some stuff in there in regards to discard material. Yeah, let me see what he I'm trying to find it. So it said my god of the year, let's scroll down trying to figure out where I found it. Because they refer to it in one of the things that I read. So let me see if it's just loading. Let me see. Yeah, my mind. No, absolutely. Don't have a confusion. So we have someone sitting out there in the chair say, that doesn't say anything. That doesn't that doesn't do anything for me. That's right. Oh my god. Yeah. Okay, enabling as defined in and six VSA 4810, 4810 a the required agricultural practices shall be management standards to follow by all persons engaged in farming in this state. So there it's six VSA 4810 and 4810 a. So title six is that's what it's saying. So that's where I got it was right off their website. But it's in under title six. That's what it says. So I'll look 4810. Okay, this is you don't do this all the time. It's not that easy. No, I agree. It's under actually it's under chapter 215 water quality. Okay, let's see. If you do not statutes. There we go. There we go. Title six agriculture. And 4810. Yep, agricultural water quality. Yeah. So that's where it is. Which I can see that maybe when the cattle are crossing the stream and they decide or in the road, if you have runoff, if you have runoff. Yeah. So that's the so that's how I found it. But because what the what the attorney was saying is that under one of our definitions garbage, it's readily pre-trucible discarded material. So he's like, that's the clincher. I'm like, well, how you know, I'm like, I don't know. And the required act for cultural practices do talk about, you know, yes, they do address many work. So anyways, that's how I got there. And discarded material covers a lot of ground. So that goes the other way. So I'm like, I chewed my gum and I threw it out on the ground. That's discarded material. So anyways, so hence if we just so that that was my Anyway, I just wanted to see some more writing. No, no, I'm glad that you checked. The regulations about farming. Is there a way that we can define not to exempt them from the entire thing? Well, that's what I tried to do. But to define manure as not garbage. I think that's where he's saying that it's discarded material. And we already use that as the basis of our definition of garbage. And so the only time we talk about waste is the only time we talk about manure is the term and solid waste. So if they cleaned out their barn and spread that manure on the road, I would have a problem. But and that was one of Brian's claims is that it was on the road. I understand. And I guess I was looking at the other way is I think it's tough to either add or subtract. But I wonder if there are more wordage that we could put on the enforcement. It's like giving us more power to manure. We're not going to enforce it, you know. I don't think I think the whole purpose of the ordinance was to have an ordinance that controlled every landowner responsible. But at the same time, you know, there's got to be a way that we can. I mean, you wouldn't want to exempt manure because then somebody could just go down the road to spread it all over the place, right? I mean, I have a container in my garage that contains trash. I have not taken it to the dump. When does it become discard? Well, when I put it in the bucket or when it goes from my property to. Yeah, I assume that the minute your house goes into the trash is considered discarded material because you have you have disposed of it. You tossed it away in a trash bag. So the fact that it's still in your in a garbage bag in your garage complies with the ordinance that's that's what it should be doing. And I don't think that you can write an ordinance that is all encompassing and then say, but we're not going to enforce this part of it. Because if I just would think you lose that. But I don't think you can exempt any one identity either. Because if you exempt an identity and we say, well, you could enforce that through state law, while you could exempt everybody else and enforce it through state law, you know, and then you just write back where you started and you have one farm and Bethel. But I can tell you that the state isn't going to. I mean, I'll just make it up. Let's say you have farmer exempt them and they have a pile of stuff all scattered throughout the curbside, right? State of Vermont is not going to come in and regulate that. They don't have enough people. They're not they're not even going to make all the calls you want. They're never coming because we know. So the problem is that is how to. I just wonder if either either there's an opportunity to inside the definition to exclude maybe an item or limit it or is there something on the enforcement end of things that gives us the power to say we're not going to enforce at the discretion of, you know, I mean, because again, I mean, if somebody's spreading manure literally down the road, that's different than somebody that has walking their equipment from one field to the other. And there might be some stuff that hits the road because we talk about it's much different. So compost defines animal manure. And then it does. We talk about, you know, composting. And as for the state that compost one material may be collected, maintained by personal property, blah, blah, blah, blah. But the key to the whole thing is that that our lawyer is telling us that it would be considered discarded material. So I, I'm at a loss. I don't know how to how to exempt material. I'm happy to write to the lawyer and ask him his opinion. But other than exempting them this way, I do not know how to do that. How to if manure is considered discarded material. And that's the thing we're getting hung up on. I don't know, but I'm happy to ask the lawyer. It's fertilizer also. The way that we, you know, talk about this is, that it's, I'm not the one who gave you a leave, you know, the lawyer. So that's, that's what I'm happy to go back to him and ask him how we could work it in a better way. Let me look at that. The whole sentence in the policy, not just discarded materials, that is putressable. Right. It's discarded materials. And the sentence continues and ends with slowly decaying materials. Is a, does a cow pie slowly decaying or is that, do you, how long is it tritressable? I think it's, it's, it's not like the manure that's gathered in your barn. Right. Yeah. I don't, I don't, again, that you're, we should. It's, it's, it's the whole sentence is the definition, not just those two words. Paul Valley's waving. So I suggest that then we just hold off on this and let me figure it out with the lawyer because, you know, we're not lawyers and we pay for his opinion. Right. But Paul had his hand up. Well, what do you think? Well, I'm just wondering if, if none of the reasoning behind all this is to try to patch, put a patch on the ordinance that kind of covers our liability in this particular situation that you folks have been dealing with up off the Gilead there and trying to make sure that we're covered for the decision that was made before. And maybe there's a hole in our current ordinance that needs to be patched to kind of help out with this situation. Yeah, that's what we're trying to do is figure out what the patch is. And so, like I, so yeah, I think that we'll end up having a, I'll go back to the, I mean, I think we're, I mean, we're at the point where, you know, just like any ordinance, you can pick these things apart, right? I mean, just, you know, like there's a difference between having 50 trash bags lined up at the curb side and having one trash bin, right? And that's kind of the same thing where we're here. We're not talking about a road that's completely covered in manure. We're talking about small individual pieces of manure that's in the road, you know, so it's, I mean, you can interpret that thing any which way. You know, I just wonder if there's more of a, on an enforcement and the things do, does it, can we allow ourselves some more leeway to enforce or not enforce? I know what right now it just kind of says that it's up to the town manager to enforce. So at their discretion, you know, I don't, you know, I guess I, but I, yeah, but I definitely wouldn't be supportive of. Yeah, you use an important word and that is interpretation. Right. Or discretion. So my question of the attorney is, are we within the definition to say that doesn't include individual cow pies that happen to be left on the road? That's an interpretation. Yeah. Because it just, it just kind of opens up a big, you know, I mean, that could come down to the individual that's riding their horse down the road. You know, I mean, it's just because it's a bigger issue of, you know, the horse riders will be chasing just like the dog walkers, you know, make up, you know, it's like where does it, you know, stop or end? And I know that's Vermont and it's kind of the uniqueness to Vermont, right? It's, you know, seen a little bit of attractive out of the field onto the road a little ways before it disappeared. You know, I mean, that's kind of, kind of Vermont, right? But I just wonder if, like Paul was saying, is there a way, is there a way for us to, you know, be able to patch or have more leeway inside our own ordinance for at the same time protect us from some past decisions that have been made of a serious nature? Exactly. I'm sending a message to the Herald when you're not published. So, um, yeah, that's, yeah, no, no. So anyway, yeah, it's a, as I said, this was my interpretation, this is what I came up with. And he had read a bunch of, you know, we drafted this ordinance with deep tree, you know, obviously read a ton of, I don't think you want to like, so it's tough because you wouldn't want to just go and say, well, we want to exempt this because if there is a lot of manure on the road, then we want to clean that. And we did. And then it's a water quality issue. Because here we did exempt under. That's why I just keep going back. Under solid waste. We said tires that are used in a bona fide agricultural operation are excluded from this definition. And I did try to think of how to word that as far as manure, but I'm like, all right, but it isn't technically the word manure is what's triggering the issue. It's discarded material. So again, I'll just have to talk to the lawyer and ask him what his thought is. At somewhere along the line, there's a tipping point between what we're going to pay attention to and what not. Right. You know, right. But I just don't think that you can write an ordinance and then say, okay, here's our whole ordinance. And then in the bottom, say, well, we're not going to enforce something. I don't see that court, but again, we've already said they can work and force tires. Because bona fide, right? Exactly. But maybe there's got to be an aggregate call. Cultural loophole. That's exactly what I was thinking. The loophole language is significant. Is there a significant amount? Is there a significant risk to health? I mean, is there But who's to define that? It's in there so that the town authorities define when something kicks in so that it doesn't kick in because I'm walking my dog. But it does kick in when I spread manure on the highway. There is a judgment. Right. Which is our judgment is already called to the question. So I'm afraid if we're too vague, significant that we're judging is not going to be acceptable. Well, that's why I'm wondering if you didn't care what's acceptable to certain individuals. I want some, but I think it's fair to say because obviously we're using judgment every day on this to begin with. I mean, if we're talking about leaves, let's say if someone's got a little leaf pile because they just break it, we're not going insane. Here you go. But if they have garbage bags piled up to the roof of their house, that's going to be different. Yeah. So how many people have had an accident and been in serious trouble with a manure pile on the road? None that you know of. How many motorcyclists have been seriously injured because somebody blew their long foot things onto the road? That's discarded material. It's a serious safety hazard. Yeah. Are we going to find him too? Right. It's a good point. Well, technically it's against the law. It is against the law. Grasp up against the law. Have you ever seen anybody taken to court? No, I haven't. But yeah. So what I'm saying is we're so far in the weeds right now that I don't know how to get out. Yeah, no doubt. And it's like, I was looking for an agriculture exemption thinking, okay, sometimes there may be a bona fide act, but like I said, I couldn't go up with it. But we still want to have the ability to regulate trash. To regulate if someone owns a farm and they have a serious amount of trash piled up because that's where it all started, right? It was, you know, it was an area where the health officer could do anything about it, right? And that's where this whole thing started, right, Paul? I mean, it was, you know, we have an issue and that started from Lewisville really, right? We had an issue in Lewisville where there was trash piled up to the roof of a house. But as a health officer, you had no way of regulating that. That's right. You know, it did not come to define the terms of being a health risk or safety risk. So that was kind of one of the things and then we had the spring pop-ups, right? We had, you know, those three or four places in the springtime that, or a couple of instances where we've had things pile up large over periods of time. But again, we talked about this when we made this ordinance that, you know, it's very tricky because you don't want to all of a sudden get into to say, well, Gene's lawn is now 12 inches. He should have mowed that thing last week. You know, I mean, but we want to work still, too, you know, but we still want to work, but we don't want to fully accept somebody. And people also felt that we didn't go far enough because when we presented this a town meeting, we took cars out. Remember, we thought we were going to use like registered, like we had more than three unregistered vehicles. We talked about that, but we never thought it would go through town meeting. And it did. And then people were like, you didn't go far enough. So anyway, so we'll find out. We'll just, let's just leave it alone for now. And we'll, I'll see what he has to say about what Dave suggested with our Dave roof. It's all Paul's fault. It's all Paul's fault. That's right. Paul and Moe. Hey, hey, hey. Can I have one last comment? Sure. So part of the issue though, is that in left-handedly with the decision about the cattle in the road up on off Agilead, the town has kind of acquiesced to the fact that manure in the road is not unacceptable. So it's a slippery slope. You start to go down when you try to dictate horses walking up the road or cattle or things like that. So, but the president has kind of been set in that particular case anyway. Yeah. And their intent was to never, the select board's intent was never to deal with cow manure. It was just, it came up in a recent, you know, legal issue. Yeah. It was part of the process. Yeah. So it was one of those things that it was never meant, that was not why the select board's intent was to do the policy. They were more trash and then this just kind of came up. So we'll see what the lawyer has to say. I'm surprised that that's not covered somehow under a state. I know you'd say, you know, because I mean, just think of the state roads, even the state roads that get littered with manure that, you know, somebody drives out of the field and they go a half mile down there to get back in another field. Well, they've talked about that saying that there's gotta be some type of, there was. My father had at least to go up and get him because he spilled some manure going around a corner and we were told that at that time, now we're talking back in the 60s, there was a right to farm law and that's part of it. I'll have to google that right to farm. Well, google it. We'll do a little more research into it and see, you know, maybe we don't need to do anything or there there's a subsection of a policy. Or we could just refer to it. I'm not sure we want to do anything with the ordinance anyway. Because at some point we're going to say, I don't care if you walk your dog and it leads a pile on the road. I'm not going to prosecute. I mean, it's just at some point, there's a tipping point before something becomes. And I know our attentions were always to go after the extreme, yeah, issues. It wasn't to do nitpick, you know, chase a little manure. It was more like you've got a, you've got 1500 bags of fragile salt. Yeah, I'd be just as happy just leaving it. I mean, I'm thinking a court of law would be very tough to reasonable on discretion, you know, just some, another of those wiggle words is reasonable. If you're already being taken to court for another issue, then I don't think person occurring the bill would be too concerned about tagging on such an else if they're trying to get you. But let's just find out what he hasn't say. And then he's the one who brought it up. So let's just see what the lawyer says. It's our key. We've got just a minute. Our key of law provides no explicit protection of farmland or parents by size, for example, small or organization, for example, family. Instead, Vermont's RTF law, similar to those in the other 49 states, protects agricultural activities from nuisance suits when they impact neighboring property, for example, through noise or pollution. Does it give you a VSA number? VSA 12, VSA 5751. Wait, VSA 12, sorry. 5751 through 5754. Okay, perfect. We'll check it out. Thank you. It's as hard when you're Googling the statutes about when you were in the road and you're like, you're looking for keywords. I'm like, okay. Yep, I have. Oh, I had significant, but also, that's a term it does here. Sure. All right, let's see what he says. But I'll look up his VSA 12. Yeah, there's a lot of language here that goes back to what we just changed from will to shall. Yeah, exactly. Then shall means we may or may not. Exactly. All right, that sounds good. Okay. Feeling that that ordinance is going to come up over the years. Don't question. If anybody happens to be on the board for years, that's going to come up a few times. We had talked about making it tougher once we went through town meeting and people were like, how come you didn't do vehicles? How come you didn't do, we're like, they didn't think you'd take it. We didn't think you'd pass it. So really just, all we're trying to do with this was just get the point across to the extreme quarters to clean up things so that it doesn't become a safety. Exactly. Health risk. Really, I mean, that was kind of the whole thing. It's true. Yeah, it was all Pauls and Mosfalt. Oh, that's right. They got on, made it, and then jumped off the board. You know, one and done. All right, so let's see. On just kind of update flood repairs and we've been working on some of the ideas for the larger sections of Finley Bridge Road. So I don't know where you want to. So while Woodland is partially done, 25 percent? You know, there's, for anybody that's been up in Woodland, it's, you know, Woodland had like one section that was really bad to the point like it's like a complete rebuild, when you couldn't walk up it. So we're about halfway done of the complete rebuild section. And then there's other sections that might be, you know, half through or pieces of road done. So we're tackling the big sections and working around the rain. And used up culverts up above. Yeah. Yeah, we've replaced a few culverts so far and we've done, you know, we've put in probably on average like four feet, four to five feet of material through there, you know, to build the road again. So it's coming along. We've, as Teresa said, we've signed contracts with everything we had out there. You know, we're getting ready, I'm assuming probably in the next week timeframe to start doing the west quadrant pieces, which is like Louisville, Whittier, that, those types of pieces. Same contractor that's doing the grant work for McIntosh will do the pieces of like Sand Hill and Peabine and Abbott Road will do 12. So, so they're starting, you know, the McIntosh stuff now. So it'll be a couple of weeks before anything gets started. And once the west quadrant's done, that's W.B. Rodgers move to Cleveland. And then you've got some stuff on North Road. I have some, Dan McCullough, we're waiting for structures. So once those come, we will get North Road will be done. And then I just got the H&H study approved for Perm Road. That's like a big, it's a big squash pipe or a box culvert, but most likely a squash pipe. So now we'll have to take a look at that and then order that and see how far out that's going to be. That will get bid out as a separate project. And so, so for the most, most part, pretty much all the contracts have been bid out. And we have signed contracts with contractors and some of those contractors have started that's kind of where we're at. And we've been doing a lot of prep work to get them so that they soon as they are ready to go, everything's ready to go. And H&H study for Perm, we just got today. That's why that had been bid out because we needed H&H study for what it was. That one just got today. So that's going out. And then we have to do one for Sand Hill. So I'm waiting on that one. And then we got some really bad news about Camp Brook Road. So the Federal Highways is going to pay for the big culvert up top, where we have currently have traffic lights, but they are not going to pay anything towards the one down at this point down just before Doug and Joanne's marshals if you're headed up. So that could be a really big hit for us like up to a half, we're talking a half million. And so I have been working with VTrans District 4 in our project Manager for District 4 has been great. And I have a $200,000 structure span for Peabind Bridge, which he said I could move up there to ease some of the cost. And he's supposed to be sending, he was going to send out somebody to do like a bridge inspection because he asked me my opinion about it for the winner. And I said no one that works for the town of Bethel is going to give you an engineering opinion on whether or not that can last the winner. I said there's no way we are not, we can't accept that liability. We don't know. So he was going to send someone out to take a look at it and kind of see what our options are. And he's been fighting for us to try to get it through federal highways. And maybe if the bridge inspection is saying if we could prove that there was some more damage because of the flood, but basically type is old. And you can see where it's folded over that was previous rust. And you can see that that it's maintenance that some of the case should have been done a while ago. So that we're in a holding pattern right there. So yeah, we're kind of catch 22 there because the federal highway says that they're not going to put it for it. And FEMA says, well, we don't get involved in federal projects. So FEMA doesn't won't get involved in it. So it becomes the state will work with us to try to shift some grants around and maybe potentially give us one extra grant to help soften the blow. But yeah, I just got on that. He said a hook for probably at least half of it. Oh, at least if not more, because yeah, somebody had mentioned we could get this other grant and that now he's, you know, we'll back peddling a little bit saying, well, it's pretty competitive and you don't have this issue. I'm like, so yesterday I could have got money, but today I all of a sudden the new rules. So we don't qualify for EWP program because it's on a federal highway. And so I'm, you know, shaking the bushes here to see what we can do. But this is one of those cases, which my children hate to hear me say, but sometimes it just is what it is. And we're going to have to say, huh? So the only goods. Yeah. So I don't know. So I'm currently work their magic. See what? Yeah, there's got to be something somewhere. Yeah. There's I mean, there's a long term, like a bike ped grant. But we know that that's a three to five year process. And that's if we get it. So it's really hopefully going to see what the bridge inspector has to say. And if he's, you know, whether it can take it or not, you know, we'd already had one boring done. And so we have some of that data, but I don't know. I said, could it be another? Maybe it's a baby bridge, which would be a change the town name pretty soon to perfect the town of maybe bridge. Yeah. As we have all we should have done. I mean, I love that. I will say from being out looking at well, being a part of all the flood report, their stuff is a majority of the work that we have done in the past didn't really get affected this time around. So, you know, on a positive note that some of the upgrades that we did do or I'll say most of the upgrades we did do weren't affected as as much or if at all this time. There are still some problem areas. I've been noting them for trees. There are some problem areas that are over and over again. Just go every time. So the H&H study on those two places was like, are you kidding me? Yeah. So there's a couple of great grants I could see that I know this going to this going to this problem is that you had to for FEMA. I know, I know that because you're right. And it's a no rainer, but you have no part of the process. But so anyway, so we'll see what's going on a camp road. You know, at this point, I don't know. So we're trying to work it out and see what we can find out. And the other thing obviously was in your packet was the Bridge Road. I do have a meeting on Friday at 2 o'clock with Carlos, our PDMG for FEMA. So I'm going to give him this information. And I'll be interested to see if we can go through FEMA mitigation. This obviously is an expensive fix. And he didn't do it in sites so that there's some stuff we could do some stuff we don't have to do. If you chose, you know, to do any what I want to find out is if FEMA will cover any of these costs, if it goes through mitigation, because as you can see by some of the information, the drawings, I mean, if it's like this one here, the states where it shows you what he's going to do, I mean, this definitely is going to stabilize that road for like I said to you about 75 years. I have not done the measurements and the quantities to see how much we would spend in riprap to armor that entire bank and that I haven't done. I went out on 107 and they didn't do any of that. They just said this bank needs to be at this grade and it needs to have this riprap on it. And that's what, and this is a very similar one. Was that on 107? Yeah. When the state did it? Yeah. Irene. Right. But the bank going out, going north on the right, that's basically the same situation that you need to, that bank needs to go back and then be riprap. That's the right way to fix that. The unfortunate part is about going back on the top slope is that, you know, obviously we're outside of our right away, but parts, but it's really steep. So I don't even, I mean, when you go back here, this is collapsing down. So I mean, it's going to be very expensive to do that as well, because if you're digging into that and you have material above, so you're dealing with the whole slope stabilization, it's fine. And, you know, I'm assuming that they did something other than just put stone in there. They must have done something underneath the stabilized bank. Well, like the 107 one is more like on a two or three to one slope back where, where this like, in this report here, they were talking about this would be a one-on-one slope, which I mean, I don't know, I, I think that they're obviously cheaper. Well, yeah, I'll go back. The up, the up end slope, we could probably riprap that. Escaping it out, riprap that to like a one, one and a half on one slope, which is pretty steep, but we could, I think we could fix that, you know, for a lot less money than they have here. Sure. You'd probably fit it to fix it for $100,000. The part that I would be most concerned about is the lower end slope is, well, just quite the drop. I mean, it's got to be, you know, hundreds of feet down. Down, yeah. Remember, we're fighting somebody like on for, there's really not 100 years have moved 100 years ago there bank could have been stabilized much easier. Well, exactly. I don't understand why, because there's, there is an old road down below. And so why, when they built it up, they didn't stabilize it as they went is beyond me. And, and I'm not sure I haven't, I don't know if he has the measurement of all the slopes here, but if we did the length and the depth, I don't know. It's just like any most roads around anywhere, you know, they were paths at one point that got built into a road that, you know, I don't know. I mean, so if you did 100,000 up on top, you're easily going to do three on them. I mean, you could spend a half million just rip wrapping. I just don't think you do anything on the bottom. I think just leave it the way it is. Just let it continue to deteriorate. Or there'd be a point in time where you're going to have to say, it is what it is, but rip wrap the river to contain its amount of destruction, but another high water event. But if you look at his report here, that the lower slope here, they're not going to go all the way down the bank. And that's what we said. This is just the upper third, let's say. Exactly. So it's going to continue to erode the bottom. And what he said, at some point that million dollars you put into this is going to be obsolete because it's going to detach once you lose more erosion on the bottom. Well, as I explained at last meeting was what he said was, yes, you don't go all the way to the bottom. So you're doing material until the slope, but then you get it inspected every once or twice a year. And yes, you're going to have to do maintenance to the bottom, but it would hold the top of the road. But so, I mean, like I said, I can just, I can run this by FEMA on Friday and see what they have to say. We obviously, we haven't put it out to bid, we haven't done anything with that road. And, well, that's not true. We've done work to Fintley Bridge Road, excuse me, we just haven't done anything right there. So we will have to make a determination of what we're going to do out there. But I think you fix the up and slow. I mean, it's kind of one of those things like how much liability does the town have if somebody's driving along there and down over the side they go, but it's been like that forever. Morgan said they pull out cars there, you know, in the winter, the fire department has pulled vehicles out of them. From down from there. That's what he said. So, I mean, it's just, it's kind of, to me, it just seems like one of those roads that eventually it's not going to be like, you know, at some point, you know, Mother Nature and Stream is going to site that it's not going to be there. So do we want to put a million dollars into that? It's like 10 years down the road to find out. Well, it's just two and a half. We could spend half a million. But you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, to find out that it's not going to be there and eventually it's just going to succumb to what is going to happen. Well, what we'll at least need to do is we can stabilize the slope. That's fine, but we do need to ditch it. But what was there for many years was a berm on the drop side. And the road was kind of angled toward the upper embankment so that water would kind of run along through there. And you probably need to get some culverts in there to get the water off the road. But for years, there was a berm. And so that the water wouldn't, you know, people, A, couldn't go off the edge of the road. And it really helps them down. And but it was keeping the water in the road. A berm on the outside. Yeah. There was a berm on the outside for a long time for years is what Morgan said, that Gary always had a berm there. And you angled the road like this. So it was angled towards the embankment, the upper slope. So the water would go along through there. And it kind of kept the water off the road to some extent. But two years ago, the berm was removed and the road was crowded. Now it's a road because when it slid, it slid across the road. So even if you put a stone across the road, you get another big rainstorm like this, obviously, it's then a stone's going into the road, which I guess will slide over the bank. Armory or bank, but we've got to do something out there. I would imagine it before snow flies. I'll have to talk to Morgan about it tomorrow. But I just want to see what FEMA has to say about this and about what the options are. Because we would be on the hook for 12.5%, obviously it's 12.5 or 2.5 million, but we don't have to do all this work either. I would say at this point, if we can armor the up end, reditch along the armament and maybe re-put the berm on the outside, that might be something that costs us maybe 150,000 of which might be 10,000 or so thousand on our end. At the end of the day, are we really saving the money? Or are we putting band-aids on an incision that needs stitches? I mean, at some point, we're going to have to make that decision. If the river, you allow the river to continue, or the state, you know, right now we can't get number. So say that river in front of the course eventually eats the road off. And I guess that was the decision you made. So is to just let that road will eventually just deteriorate. And eventually, people on one side are going to have to drive around and people on the other side that last one. I know. Save two and a half million. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm sure you'd have some very unhappy people, but that's sometimes happy people. You might. Yeah, the tax payers. We are exactly going by your house. We're going to end right up. Well, right now. Again, that's all conversation that's worth having. But if we're going to fix it, I want to fix it. I don't want to. And not because I lived there. I just think I want, I don't want to put a band-aid on something that's only going to last five years. I mean, that's. Yeah. I mean, that's if you just upper, if you just armor the upper embankment, then that'll buy you. Well, it's hard to know because we don't know what kind of storms. I mean, the majority of the erosion that happened on it, this past storm was from the upper end of the embankment. Now there's also erosion happening at the lower end on the edges over the river. But most of what we had this past time was mudslides that came down. It was like three or four that came down because there's, if you look at it right now, there's so many springs on, on that slope that you could see them today. I mean, I would feel pretty, I mean, I agree with Dave. I think in my, my lifetime or my kid's lifetime, that at some point that pros can get done. I mean, I just think they never was coming. But I mean, I would say at this point, I mean, it probably wouldn't hurt us too much financially if we armored the upper end slope. But I mean, we could be here again, 10 years from now saying whole things for the river, you know? Well, what about all the pressure cracks that are along? Like, you see the edge towards the river and then you come in maybe a foot. There's also cracks right there that, you know, as those wide, that's just going to go into the road. So what do we, you know, do about that? I mean, that's a, that's a question I have is, you know, safety. I mean, are we just going to go buy a whole bunch of Jersey barriers? And it's because we can't put guardrail there. And Jersey, Barry, the whole, I mean, it's, or maybe we make it one lane, you know, I'm not really, you know, but I don't know how you monitor one lane. I think the section is like five. I mean, I think that section of roads, like, it's not continuous, but, you know, there's like 500 feet. It is, but you can't see from, like, Corey, Richie. It's not all 500. It's not a clean, like, I see Dave coming. I can stop and let Dave come. It's, yeah, it goes around the corner. Yeah. And those are pricey. So I just, if you want to another town, say that again, just continue on the road that starts with Bethel and ends in Randolph. It's a lot harder to discontinue that road starts with Bethel and ends with Bethel. Yes, you're very, that's very easy. Only accessible for only accessible from our town. Now, you have some of those. We do, but we also have, you know, you have some firefighters, your road foremen, and, you know, that live, would live on the Randolph side. Oh, I think, well, when we called Morgan last meeting, he said that is a dead end. So I don't know. Yeah, I don't know to where I would have to look. I mean, they have to go over the river. Yeah. So that's a bridge. There you go. Well, there's your, there's your 2.1 million and you got a bridge to one. I mean, I clearly think that's the fix that's been presented with us is one that isn't an option for us. It's both financially and I just don't think long term that's going to be, you know, so do you want me to talk to FEMA about this, huh? I don't think it's done. Yeah. And plan on having that road forever. Thanks, it's true. So go, do you want me to present this for FEMA? Then, take her down. Yeah, whatever. Maybe, maybe there'll be somebody. If they have a mitigation branch, I can, I'll talk to Carlos on Friday. And then in the meantime, I'm going to talk to Morgan and we're going to have to go out there and he drives it several times a day, you know, get to and from work. He's grown up out there and talked about what, you know, what does he think some options are going to be here for us. And, just to get some buying and some information from him. So, I mean, we have other roads that are similar instances where you just think that at some point it's going to go down through. I mean, it's a lot like the upper end of, the upper end of Gilead. Upper Gilead? Yeah. Or, or buy them. Buy them, yeah. But there's only, that isn't a through way. No, but you go up there and there's parts of that road regularly. At some point, that thing is just going to go down and down off into the. But this one is, as you know, from being out there, is heavily traveled. So for us, that's really what we're looking at is what's to manage our liability here is knowing we have plenty of signs out, this sort of thing. But all right. So we'll have to see what our options are. But again, this came, I told you I'd give it to you when it came. And I saw the number and was like. Yeah, show it all to FEMA, you know, throw away. See what, what Carlos has to say, maybe. But at this point, you know, I mean, I mean, this was a big ticket item when, before we even knew about the Colbert round before. Yeah, exactly. So before, let's say we decided to go with this fix, right? I mean, this is, you know, quarter million dollars that we would have to come up with ourselves, right? Right. To fix this road based on this fix. And you'll need a quarter million. But now we're going to need probably $300,000 just to fix that one Colbert up in. Plus the two we've already gotten a grant. So yeah, you know, so. I think that Du Bois and King told me he had a, I want to say he said like a $600,000 price tag on that Colbert. I told you what we need to say. I tried a little once. You know, we need to start playing the Powerball as a town on the Wednesdays and Saturdays. And hope we hit it as a town and we'll go cash in. You know, we're done. But yeah, yeah, it's. Oh, maybe someone will win it. I mean, I'm sure there is an amount of money that you could put into that road that will keep it forever, but I just don't know if that's. And Dave, maybe this may not be enough. And I don't think you're really stabilizing just the top 75 feet after that. All right. Well, let me just see what. Good point. Well, let's just see what we'll see what they have to say. So hopefully in two weeks, we'll have some more information from FEMA and good or bad. It was from about camp road. I'm in the same still on family bridge between the bridge over the river and the railroad bridge. But right at the river, the river has taken away part of the the. It is eating into the bank where the road is. Yep. Yeah. I just I just calling that to your attention. You know, Jaron, we already got permission from agency natural resources, he told me I could, you could armor it there, and then. I just know I just saw and measured it for us so we know it's out there. So, but we're kind of waiting to see what are we going to do with, if we were hauling a bunch of rip rap to deal with the other part of fintly gonna make sense to deal out at the same time so but um but yeah thank you yep nope it's on the list like I said you got the comment so I know that's part of the bend that changed I know it's crazy isn't it oh good yeah I don't know if that was in regards to her um yeah they may be playing for you right there at some point yeah somebody asked me about that well I heard from Chris Bump because we spoke on the phone I asked him about that you know because she came here and then I sent him the information he had sure back forth and and he said he was gonna send a crew out to look at it because there's a lot of material under there it's just like what we did at line bridge 2019 so he said yeah looks like we gotta get a crew out there so they'll survey it he's talking about me getting a crew out there to dig it out so probably what they were up to well I I don't know yeah I think it might just been a coincidence I think they might be planning for a new you know they're always four or five years behind but I think they're planning for it to stay ahead no baby I don't know it's a survey and they were doing you don't need to survey or go up there and remove debris right right I don't know no need it yeah don't forget who's doing yeah I don't know maybe they're looking at her pins versus yeah I don't know got me yeah I went up in the bridge and I look back like you said and it's like a little oh there's a lot of material said oh yeah put that down the other side there's a lot it's true we didn't have town manager or I just I have some updates so I guess I know oh sorry garbage question our wall says that manure is not garbage but yeah it's not about garbage it's about but it's what applied it is compost right and we call it out as that and we even say in our definition compost animal manure right and but in the garbage section where we're talking about yeah disposable stuff the down in the section C under duties as per state Vermont Act 148 universal recycling and compost no compostable as garbage no compostable materials are to be disposed of as garbage it's so the manure is not the garbage definition doesn't apply like I said I mean the lawyer read the whole thing okay but I'll focus we'll focus stick out of tomorrow and see what he says but I'm circling that our Gina make a note goes against garbage definition number five all right thank you but yeah I circled this but I'm not there so tomorrow morning I have a meeting at 10 regarding the brick grant which is the federal grant that we got to which is part of mitigation grant to look at that big um box culver on Gilead so this is one of those things federal that you get your get this you know you get a grant to design engineer it then once you get that done then you get a grant you know build so it's a process so we have our first meeting tomorrow morning at 10 and then 11 on Wednesday I have a meeting with Gary Dean he was obviously not happy with your decision so he's coming in to see me on Wednesday at 11 and then Friday at two have FEMA uh so Carlos is coming back in and um we've Chris has found some things that um that we missed during the original inventory so the good news is from the date of my first meeting with FEMA a few weeks ago we have 60 days from there to report any new damages so Chris is emailing me and I'm documenting that so we'll have so the good news is we'll pick that up so I know what the week looks like and um it's going to look like I'm not there for the next two days I am going to be there just vehicles jays joe's working on one vehicle one day and one vehicle the next day so I'll be in the town office but um no car there so just so you know and then I also wanted to let you know I have scheduled the vacation November so I will be gone from like the 15th to 20 seconds so like a week kind of like uh I think it's like that's the day to a Wednesday or Wednesday or something like that so I'm going to take a vacation and so anyways I just want to give you a heads up so you guys didn't spring it on going to north uh going to Durham so I'm kind of like gonna go see um oldest daughter yeah so you'll see her no I'll be back just before that's too bad well she has to work though she has to work I don't want to travel or Thanksgiving and yeah I definitely don't want to be flying she has to work so we'll have to do a thank you you're a little walk home fast and you'll fly when we're young we don't make enough money we have all the family and when we are older we're good and when we're young we don't get the vacation time when we need it right and when we're so yeah so I don't have some time like days off in October but this is the time I'm going to be gone for a piece of time um so that's it for the time I didn't write you anything at the time but so that's all I've got so you know what I'm doing let's all just be my female so um so then I'm me I have a few things I want to talk about the roads too um very happy to see the boys got up there took care of those all the pictures I took yes they appreciate it it was a great job um on the other side of that which I have to be honest and say it irritated me they drove right by a massive hole for two days and didn't do anything about it it's just one hole by the by the Dimmock property where the dam where the pond has a spillway on the other side of it you could drive my truck in there and which you would never see it again was it part of the contract that I you know I don't know yeah but it's it's only 15 feet home and it's a lot of road it's not there anymore yeah so that I'm saying this because if it's part of another contract fine but I was told by Dylan that he's he had to have the contract up there and he's about done because he's working up by Smith Barre yeah so I'll have to ask because I didn't Chris and I didn't stake out that quadrant AJ and Morgan did so I don't there's no stakes there okay so Dimmock you've been stealing stakes yeah so but it's across it's right there where the Dimmock house was that well just my side of that where the where the dam spillway goes underneath the road okay all right let me ask definitely the challenge has been it's there's a lot of things that's going on hidden around well it almost looks like it's part of the project but it's not like you continue to have so much rain that we're like I'll I'll drive one day and come back through the next day I'm like this way that big hole come from like you know that was there two days and oh because there's been a lot of you know just everything so saturated you know trees are falling over and and in banquets are sloughing in just heard about that one and the going down a per ham road if you take a plow truck down in there yes back up out of there you're going to destroy the front end of that truck we know that about that one Moe talked to Morgan about it the other day and said that there was a big issue right there yeah and Morgan is aware so he does know that as Moe said he goes I have problem with it you said I got my tractor I can get out but he said there was an issue there so Morgan is aware of that because Moe told us and um and the big thing that area we we knew we had a problem on our hill but it seems to be growing with I don't know this but I feel confident in saying that we have a serious drug problem drug dealer problem with our hill you do serious I mean the traffic going by my house is crazy I know and they're from Attica in Massachusetts and Jersey like with a certain resident or a certain resident have you called the state state police have been called uh Oscar's been called yep and well I don't know how they work but they haven't been more working is and we got the little kids in that area there's actually a very small child that lives right across the road uh huh yeah today I went by going to a job and all of a sudden two vehicles that were there were on my ass we had to ran up center one went one way went another I looked at a job come back and one of the vehicles was back I got some stuff in my house went back right now back vehicles out of gun again and that vehicle is in and out way too much too I don't yeah but I'm very I'm very concerned of what's going on up there and I don't know what to do about it because we call my neighbor has people live across the street from them have called the state police I know and it's like what are we gonna do and Oscar's aware of it the state police they're aware of it had another incident up there very close call with the contractor that's working up there and so that's they're aware of it but it's beyond our purview other than I'm asking what can I do you know what you know what I would say is is if I was you I would call and ask for the commander it's Hugh O'Donnell and he is very very nice and I would speak to him and ask him what you know what you can do what are the local residents need to do I know they're aware of it and I know Oscar's aware of it but he's I'm not sure what his rank I just know he's the commander down here but I would ask him and then let us know if there's something the town needs to do or I mean we certainly have Oscar's aware it is trying to do enforcement speeding and as if it's always like you're just you know what's that old expression there's never cop around with any money but it's so challenging there's so many that there is from right about now till 2 3 in the morning if you drove by my house by there and county's level back there would be two different cars there right now yeah and every night it's so challenging because they have hamstrung law enforcement from being able to do a lot of that type of work nowadays because I remember I mean I remember you still stopped at Champlain Farms you know probably six seven eight years ago and you know the house above Richardson store I mean you could stop there go in to get a drink come out you'll see three different individuals go to that house can come back you know clearly we're buying drugs right and I remember calling the state's police to say hey I mean clearly it's clear as day you can see that there is not good stuff going on here right and they're like we know about but there's nothing we can do about it like there's unless you can actually see it happen for them they have no jurisdiction they can't go knock on the door they can't are there children in that one because if there was children you'd call like PCF north main street here and one of the residents that lives nearby I gave him Oscar's number he called Oscar and he thought that the guy that had just been arrested was back there but Oscar ran the guy's name and he said no he's no longer there he said well then somebody else has moved into that house because somebody's grandfather owned it and they have a small child that is living there with people he said it was so bad one night there's drugies whatever out on the road directing traffic because so many vehicles were coming and going but I talked to him a week later and he said I don't know if it was just Oscar the state police but he said everything is shut down in that house right now I mean I don't like the experience in town when we had some of the things that were right right in the village here they're still you know I mean some of that stuff was sort of resolved by just having more presence right you know like because before we didn't have a lot of presence and then for a while they are like Oscar really spent a lot of time you know not not 21st like indirectly spent a lot of time in the area so then then they go somewhere else you know I mean tight deal so I don't know but it's challenging because we don't have a lot of presence right now to begin with not alone on Christian Hill you know so it's just going park in a neighbor's yard because they can and just sit there and take pictures let them see them taking pictures yeah I don't know I said I'm not sure I'm going to do that because that that would be really all got nothing to do but I'll talk to you after he's got some time on his hands I have some I could talk to you after the media so yeah I don't know it's very challenging and I don't know Paul could be the next constable you could sit in a neighbor's watcher along those lines Oscar told me the other day he was called he was called the Champlain Farms because there was a vehicle park right in front of Champlain Farms and the guy was shooting up right in the vehicle so this is not anything new for this area it's still a very terrible problem that's going on and there's just too much of it and not enough enforcement and that's the way it is right now well the thing is when you do it for said it just they're out of jail and they're back out there yeah this is really I mean we know the situation up on North Main Street it's been going on for years this is not anything new and it just you just can't you there they are the law enforcement is handcuffed as far as what they can do and it's up to the neighborhood watches and whatnot to report it call 9-1-1 call 9-1-1 I'd infinite them and eventually somebody will get up there and try to do something they're actually active neighborhood watches and when I was a kid that was a big fit yeah there was you know there was one up on North Main Street or there used to be one up on North Main Street and the signs are still there yeah I don't know if they meet on it yeah I mean that used to be a pretty big thing when I was younger there were ways to take care of it in the past that are no longer legal I mean I've heard the stories about people who got out of line and they had they were given a chat then they went to the hospital and then they came back and they were good yeah well just let us know what pie you like for when you're in yeah what you spend time you want us to buy it yeah a quick story I told Oscar I said someone come to my house I want to protect myself we say down at the mall where I don't know what the words are used but if I have a back door I have to let that creep in if there's some way I can escape you know a back window something I have to let him have my house and I says I know that I would back up yeah I found years ago I'm sad to even think these thoughts but what is going on I know it's it's very scary I just get myself a German Shepherd it keeps it bless you oh it's too sneezing she's giving you COVID Chris don't let's go around again yeah to the here it's all right anything we got select working events from the 28th corrections to that or just the motion to accept it question is last sentence select board meeting this is in reference to the right road meeting yeah select board meeting time will be changed to 5 p.m on 11 to that's not a normal select board meeting date I'm still meeting so I'm confused about it's a special meeting you wouldn't have a meeting on its second right no I understand this I guess we could change the wording to the public just remove it I mean it already states above what we're doing right it's just a footnote I think that yeah well no but wasn't the point was to after we had our onsite that then we were going to get together with the lawyer right because he was going to be in town still because you have the inspection of the premise will be held at three and then you're having a you are having a public care slash select board meeting at five o'clock I think probably my thought was because I think Julie but this and I was just kind of letting people notice that instead of meeting at six this meeting will be at five but we don't have to call it so so I guess and what James getting at is what what is the purpose of the meeting at at five that's your public hearing on the discontinuity yeah which is still part of the select board because we could call a select board meeting slash public hearing I just talk to your wife she wrote it in there but we get the five o'clock because the lawyer was going to be here right so I could just change it to say I don't care what I don't think it's necessary okay then we'll remove it all right there you go see we'll make a note okay but don't remember you're right home with her we have to notify the public there'll be a whole hearing process okay I'll go out yeah so yeah okay anything else you don't have to say the motion to remove the meeting minutes of the phone so moved second all the way over hi hi all right oh you would ask for this about the reserve cost so I printed out the we changed out of the repair of Oscar bodies don't break hearts and then waverly some I think he breaks down a while change that sort of thing then your pleasant street sidewalk concerns meeting your august numbers well great fact her parts were expensive yeah 900 bucks I just did all pads on my truck for 90 bucks he had it wasn't just pads he had I see if you had to throw a rotor it there it had to be more than that you had to be more yeah there was all kind yeah you can buy a lot of rotors and pads well I'm gonna say yeah this is what I looked at the bill brake pads the other bottom one was free for a price I'm gonna say my cousin just had his pickup brakes done and over $1,500 well I just pulled the invoice from them and looked at it some of its hard to tell what it is I mean because it's skews and might be the only around the parts might have been 493 and the labor might have been 900 bucks no the labor is J&J Auto O'Reilly are the parts yeah so I so anyway so like I said some of it you can tell that it's this brakes and then it's hard to know it's just pieces parts maybe you have other work done yeah but that's what it was you asked me to see if Joe's still down that's what happens when you keep driving it over the mountain back and forth every day right you're gonna go brake brake brakes same thing with the grader any any has it gone into getting the word on it yeah or what is it like um uh AJ's talked to John Deere excuse me and thanks for talking and um they are ordering the parts and they said once they get in the shop and they show me having the shop about a week and a half so that was a lot better than we thought we thought it'd be down for a month so that was good news and today the grader is down but they ordered a part and um they are going to fix that themselves whatever that issue is I didn't ask okay don't tell me I don't want to know so they were seeing the cover up yeah so they were fixing so anything else coming forward hearing none say the motion to adjourn so move second bye