 All right, look, if your goal is to be fat, sick, and unhealthy, simply do this. Follow the government's nutritional guidelines to the T. It's almost guaranteed to make you fat, sick, and unhealthy. Oh, let's try and see what you can. Why not? You know why I said that? I'll read to you. There was a tweet that is going viral. And it's about protein intake. So first off, did you see this? So Vox is the person, that's the people that did the tweet, but they're using the government guidelines. And this is what it says right here, ready? Americans are obsessed with protein. They about two times as much of it as the federal government advises. And 60% of adults are trying to get even more of it into their diets. Ready for this? Excessive protein consumption could be making us sick. That's how you know you can lie by saying could. It's also wrecking the planet. Oh, wrecking it. You know what the protein recommendations are on here? 50 grams. We'll go back to the very first sentence. Read that first sentence again. I think it's just ironic. Americans are obsessed with protein. The next one? They eat almost two times as much of it as the federal government advises. As the federal government advises, right? So the federal government advises us in nutrition. This is so funny because it was like another, imagine another governing body and something has nothing to do with that. It's like, you know, scientists were saying something about how baseball players should practice their swing. It's like fucking nothing to do with what they do. The government should have no say. Farmers in America think you should throw underhand in basketball. Yes, exactly. That's what it means. Now, here's the hope. Here's the hope. Okay. I'm reading underneath the comments. These are the comments underneath it. The first one says you guys are a bunch of soy boys. That got a lot of likes. Then there's like, this is a blatant lie. But I don't know what you guys are saying. That's fine. We all know about it. People will say I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor. I'm a doctor, so I'm well-named. And then people hear there's a doctor that gets on here. I'm a doctor. This is terrible advice. Another person terrible advice. Misinformation. 50 grams is not enough protein for an adult. According to the federal government, we should be eating in a ridiculous amount of grains. So I'll disregard what they say. And it's like, you just keep going down and people are like, no, no, no, no. delete this, this is, so that gives me help. That gives me help, that people are seeing this. People are waking up. But 50 grams of protein? I mean, that's so, that's so ridiculous because it's the complete opposite of what we've said on the show since the beginning. It's just like, I've never met a client one that eats enough protein. So it's like, this is the complete opposite statement. Protein is satiating. So one of the biggest challenges with overeating is that you don't feel satiated, right? It's an essential macronutrient. It's essential. It's also satiating. Also on a gram per gram basis, it results in more muscle gain and more fat loss. In other words, two diets that are identical in calories, but one that's high protein, a lot more than 50 grams. And another one that's what the RDA would say or whatever would result in the high protein would result in fat loss and muscle gain. It's also connected with longevity. By the way, here's another part that's awesome. The community notes. You know how X has like their fact checkers or whatever? The community notes on this were just, were amazing. They said basically on there that the older Americans will experience sarcopenia. If they don't eat more protein, then another note was eating far more than this. And they put in parentheses close to one gram of protein per pound of lean body mass resulted in more muscle gain and fat loss. So one of the easiest ways for me to help somebody break through a plateau. And we talk about, you guys hear us on the show all the time, talk about how, you know, when you had somebody who was trying to lose weight, how we would tell them to add things into their diet instead of saying restrict like the psychology that one of the fastest things or fastest ways that I can show somebody like immediate results almost always is by bumping their protein when I after I assess their diet. After I have somebody actually track and look at what they're doing, like I have someone like I shared the story of the day about my mom's husband and this happens all the time where I'm talking to somebody and they're like, Adam, I've been working out four or five days a week and I've been doing this and I eat good. And then I go, okay, well then walk me through your day yesterday. Oh, I had, you know, two eggs for breakfast. And then I have, you know, a lean, you know, turkey sandwich and then I have, you know, a big chicken breast dinner. And it's like, okay, cool. You had about 65 grams of protein. You're about 50 under what you need every day. Add a protein shake a day. Don't do anything else. Just take that one piece of ice and boop right through a plateau right there. Just simply unlocks it. Yeah. By the way, I want to say, I want to add to that because someone's going to take that wrong. It's not, it's adding a protein shake. It's the extra protein. The whole natural foods would be ideal. Right. That'd be the ideal way to do it. Of course, of course. Yeah, no, it's terrible advice to cut your protein. And now this is what really frustrates the hell out of me. There's this propaganda machine that's coming out with nutrition and nutrition has always been riddled with propaganda and lies and stuff like that. But they're tying it to morality. They've now connected it to, if you eat these foods, you are a bad person and you're killing everybody because you're killing the earth. No, this is such a terrible lie because the worst possible thing we could do for the planet and for humanity is to have a bunch of sick, depressed, anxious, overweight people. We want healthy people who have good moods, who don't feel anxious, who have good mobility, who aren't reliant on all these medications, who are productive. That's what we want. That's how the world gets better. Not with a bunch of sick people. And if you take everybody and you just have a meat, 50, you know what's gonna happen? If everybody right now in America cut their protein down so they ate no more than 50 grams, first off, they'd make up for it with way more calories from other foods. They would lose muscle, most likely, and they would get worse. They would get sicker and fatter. They'd lose muscle and they get fatter as a result. Yeah, it just seems like it directly parallels what we saw, the progression of politics with whichever candidate they're presenting as being, either you're voting for Satan or you're voting for the savior. And it's like, it made its way into our nutrition and meat consumption as being this like, you're a murderer and you're this or that, even though this has been happening since the beginning of time because it's obviously bioavailable. It's something that gives us sustenance. And to just label it like that is doing more harm than good. Well, I've always liked the example of like the alone show that we talk about, you know. It's like, that isn't an example of like what your body. It's down some berries. Yeah, and there's always, and every season that they do, there's always somebody who can't catch fish or can't get game. Not because they're choosing to eat that way because they desperately would love to get, there's nobody I've ever seen on there that's a vegan. The vegan would be an automatic way. A vegan knows better to even try and play on that show, right? But even the people that are desperately trying to eat meat that are like living off the berries and twigs and stuff like that, it's only a matter of time before they're deathly sick and they have to get kicked off the island or off the show. Yeah, I've said this before. So people are like, okay, why are the propaganda? What is it, why would they propagandize nutrition in this way? All the money always. Yeah, there's a couple of reasons. One is politically expedient. So you can start to demonize a certain side and identify it as these types of people eat meat, these people don't, whatever. It also reinforces how climate change and the environment has become so heavily politicized. So it helps reinforce that and now they've attached diet to it. But really here's where the money is. Heavily processed foods are largely not made from meat and if they are, they're still patented. Remember, processed foods can be patented and protected. You can profit a lot off of heavily processed foods. Right, somebody can't go make a laze chip and turn around and sell it. They've already got all that. Right, right, right. So that's why potatoes, growing potatoes, small margins, making special potato chips, much better margins. So they want people to not eat foods that are not patented. And if at some point I can imagine they're gonna probably GMO a cow and figure out a way to do that as well. And they'll say something like this cow is farts less or something. So it's better for the environment. But I mean, really it's follow the money and you look at where all this land is being purchased and how they're trying to manipulate the market and it's not good. And then the whole like, it's bad for the climate situation. I just saw an article that said that growing your own food contributes to carbon emissions and something like that should be discouraged. People growing food in their gardens, they're gonna demonize. It's like, they can, it's a disempowering message. The goal is to disempower people. So this is just crazy to me that they said that. So I went on there, I had to repost it and it got so many views and comments because people are like, this is wrong. That's not what I've experienced whatsoever. I feel so much better getting more protein. Today's giveaway is the Super Bundle. If you wanna win that, leave a comment below this video on the first 24 hours that we drop it. Subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comment section. We're also running a sale right now on some workout programs. MAPS performance is half off in our extreme fitness bundle, which includes MAPS hit, MAPS performance, MAPS prime and the intuitive nutrition guide is also 50% off. You can find all of those if you click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, back to the show. This is a little bit off subject, but talking about this stuff is like as far as health and longevity, it's got me thinking in that vein. I was with that group, I told you this last weekend and one of the guys is like a longevity person and stuff like that, that he's got a company that's built around longevity. And he has, you could tell he has this like fear of dying and like he just wants to live forever. You know, like, why can't we figure that out? Like, why can't we figure that out? Do you think that's going to be the answer of what solves the depopulation, right? The fact that we are losing, we're, if we were to head down this path, right? Like, and keep going the way we're going, like we talk about how many people are going to be falling off, but maybe the thing that saves us is as in the next 20 to 30 years, we find a way to extend life by, you know, 10 to 20% on the average American. Does that solve that problem you think? No, because here's the problem with depopulation. You need productive working people to support the people who are older and let's say retired. They don't care. Right. So, okay, everybody's living longer. Are they going to agree to work longer? Are they going to allow us to get rid of the retirement age? Oh, I think so. I think that's part of it. Obviously, okay, if we extend. You think the average, you think right now if a politician came out and said, hey, we want to take social security retirement age, which is what, 62 and a half? Is that what it is, Doug? I believe so. Okay. We want to raise that to 72 and a half. They will not get a life. No, no, no. I don't think I've seen Nikki Haley say something similar to that. No. Oh, recently? Yeah, she was getting some pushback. Yeah. Because, yeah, it was like, it's going to reflect our new like extension, basically, of life. I mean, it's okay. So you just conflated two things. You're talking about politics now. Well, that's the problem with depopulation. I mean, no, I mean, nobody is going to, nobody who gets a free ride or gets anything as a handout or security is going to be like, yeah, I want less security or yeah, I want to work even harder for that. Of course not. That's not going to work. But it doesn't matter. We're moving in that direction anyways. We're moving to a place where you're going to need a 40-year mortgage or a 50-year mortgage to be able to afford it. We're moving to a place now where you're going to have to save more, work more to be able to afford the same things that you did just two decades ago. So it's moving in that direction regardless of what social security does or doesn't do. I don't think that matters. Well, no, we use- That doesn't matter. The question is, is it going to solve the problem? The problem of depopulation is not that there's less people, it's that there's not enough people to support people. Able people. Okay, so that's, I see, I disagree with that. I think that when we, things that we're learning like with the stem cells and stuff like that, and I'm having Dr. Kahn on here like, that isn't going to just extend life. That's going to make people that in their 60s and 70s feel like they're in their 30s and their 40s. That's the idea of all that stuff, of doing stem cells and giving you all this. So it's going to, so when people are feel old and decrepit right now on average and they don't feel like they can work anymore, they're going to feel like they still can and are able. So yeah, I think that solves that. Yeah, but who's going to pay for the stuff that's going to make them live longer? Who's going to pay for this type of, like these treatments and stuff? That's so, my point is it's not going to solve the problem that's presented by depopulation, which is the cost of support, the cost of care, the cost of whatever. And also like, I know a lot of healthy, able-bodied 62 year olds, you ask them, hey, can we, we're going to extend social security or the age so you don't get your retirement benefits. No, I don't want to do that. It's just, so that's the problem. The problem is we need more people who are productive to support the people who are dying. Otherwise, so here's the deal. All government systems as we know it will collapse. That's the problem. The problem isn't that there's less people. The problem is society as it's organized isn't going to work. So we have to figure out an alternate way to set it up or have more kids. People are going to have to have more kids. The problem is too, the more educated we get and the more money we make, the less kids we have. That's always the case, which opens up the whole like, well, maybe this is why they want so many people coming in to make up the difference. That's not why they want so much people coming in. Well, that's one argument. The other argument is they're getting voters is what that is. Sure, sure. That's one argument, right? But yeah, so that's the big thing. And it's good that you're bringing this up because a lot of people think that the problem is there's too many people, but that's not what's going to be the issue. And the next, you know... No, the population is a major issue and there's plenty of people that are speaking out on it because it's ridiculous to think that we thought the other way, anybody thought the other way at one point. Did you know? By the way, they're still promoting that. I do think the thing that's going to bridge that gap for us though, is longevity. Is that we, in our, look at what we're seeing right now. We just, I mean, within our own circle of people like the Dr. Kahn's or something. People are going to live long. They have to, it's true, but they have to change. Like the model has to change because people living longer is actually adding to the problem. I mean, it always does. Because they want people to die. It always does though, Sal, right? I mean, that's all part of, that's how we've evolved as a society. Like it's never the same. Like everything evolves and changes and we will adapt. You don't think we'll adapt? No, I do. I just don't think that by itself will solve the problem. I think there's going to be some, some interesting... Well, if, okay, so the, if we adapt, like I think we will change the way we do things as a system and as a society, if we have, if we increase everybody's age by 10 to 20%, and when I say increase age, also productivity and how healthy they feel 10 to 20% more, that would... I think that would be a boom. I think if people didn't even live longer, if they just lived better, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I think we're, I don't you feel like we're on the verge of that? It's all getting worse. I don't know. Yeah, so go to the bottom to get out. Okay, that's fair. So what I think we're seeing, it's funny is I feel like we're seeing the same discrepancy in, you know, economics as we are in, in health, right? So there's like... It's a wider gap. Yeah, as there's getting, we have, we have richer people now and poorer people now. And the same thing goes for, we're getting healthier type people while we're also getting sicker people. So I think there's, there's this gap that's happening, but there is going to be a percentage of that. I'd like to see that data. That'd be interesting to see because we're not, we don't have poorer people. Everybody's richer. The difference between someone who's... Is the gap. Yes. But everybody's moving on. That's what I mean by that. It's not, so you're right, we're not getting, you know, there's not somebody who's... Now medical care is getting more advanced, but people are getting sicker and life expectancy is shortening, even though we're better at solving... Yeah, but part of that, part of that is I believe that the medical system is designed to keep you in. I also think... Keep you sick. Yeah, and I also think that... It's not to cure you. We're moving, we're indoors, we're not sleeping well, we're not exercising, you know, the whole deal, and our diets are totally... Well, I think that's the gap is people that are still trusting the old guard, you know, the old medical system versus people that were basically skeptical now because of how everything kind of transpired. It's like, I need to do my own research. I need to advocate for myself. And there is a big movement happening with that right now, which I think is definitely a swing in the other direction. One of the best things... I'm not... So obviously, I'm like, you know, stay out of it, government, we'll figure this out. But there's one thing I think that government can do, and that's mainly because this is what they... This is... Nobody else really does this. If they redesigned cities, because they're the ones that organize cities for the most part, if they redesigned cities to make them like cities were designed... Yes, because if you look at obesity and you look at health and you compare like older cities where people have to walk a lot, where buying a car just doesn't work. Like they're doing it to buy one? Yeah. Yeah, like that? Yeah, well, I don't know about that. That's kind of... That's really... Oh, that's the stream. That's the one that's like really indoors and just meered out. Yeah, the idea is that you don't need a car to get from once. Like everything's like a speed rail thing and walking. But like if you live in like San Francisco, like I have family besides all the problem San Francisco has, but I have family that lives there and like they get rid of their cars. So like it's worthless to having a car. I can't park it anywhere. It costs too expensive to park it. So I just walk and then the hills and stuff and you just movement goes through the roof. Do you think we, do you think San Jose ends up being like that at one point? Do you think we grow to that point? It's so spread out. How would that work? Because it's like houses and then like businesses way over here. Like how would that work? They have to be a restructuring of buildings and like how to kind of maneuver. Yeah, totally. You know, you're talking about the longevity and stuff like that. Did you see, you know, and speaking of Dr. Kahn, you see he's got a longevity second conference. Yeah, conference that's coming up. Unlock longevity it's called. It's in Texas, is that where it's at? Austin, yeah. Yeah, Austin, Texas. What are the dates on a Doug? It's February 24th. Oh, it's like around the corner. It's like all our friends are speaking. It's really, yeah. Ben Greenfield, Tom Billu. Tom's on there. I'm really, does it say what Tom is talking about? Yeah, his topic is the ultimate adaptation machines. So humans. Oh no, AI stuff. Oh yeah, yeah. He's, as I say, he's not going to be one that's going to be talking about health longevity. That's interesting. So he's going to go on like the AI direction. I see. Ben will talk that way. Dr. Kahn will talk that. Who else is in there? Asprey is there. Yeah, Dr. Kahn. Now Sal's buddy. Now it's, did you guys remember Sal's best buddy? Do you guys have a chance to talk to him? Okay, make sure you talk to Trina. Make sure you can, you can text him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll be great. That'll be interesting. I can't wait to see what they talk about over there. No, no, no, that'll be cool for sure. And what that looks like. As of right now, nothing comes close when it comes to longevity to proper activity, good diet, good sleep, and good relationship. I don't think, I don't know. I don't know how they're going to solve. I don't think that'll ever change, right? I don't think, I don't think we're ever going to hack into something that makes you get like, like that's embedded in our DNA. I mean, our body benefits from those things. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I guess the two of that. So I think that's, you know, I, I believe in a higher power and I believe that he created us a certain way. And, and these are some, these are like, try to deviate from it. Exactly. Maybe, maybe we can find ways to help or assist or short hacks, but it ain't the answer. I watched this funny episode of Rick and Morty. Maybe think about it. Rick and Morty's is like so total stoner cartoon. It's hilarious. But there's an episode where they could, they can, they can make their subconscious, they could sleep at night, but then like their subconscious would wake up and do stuff for them at night. So they could wake up and they know how to play the piano or whatever. So Morty, he wants to get jacked. So he goes to sleep and then his subconscious works out, works out. So he wakes up, he's at six. I think that would be the only way. Like if somebody could like work out, it would be unconscious, you know what I mean? Like they take an app and it's, you know. I mean, that would be. And they're consistent. That would be hilarious to do that. I mean, imagine if you could just program yourself to do that. Oh, you know, speaking of that, you got me thinking about it. So again, I was talking to this guy who's, he's obviously hardcore in the long journey thing and all the different things. Do you know that you can, you can clone your dog for $20,000? Yeah, it's legal. Yeah. Was it Japan that it started? Or a member of the summer first? They do it in the States. It's in the States now. In the States. So let me ask you guys this, would that be, how would you feel about that? Bro, okay. You lost your dog. Yes. I hope somebody on here on air has done it so they can talk to me because I'm really curious because. But would you feel weird because it's not him, but it's a clone? It doesn't matter. If like, okay, obviously anybody who's had a dog that they're a pet that they were really attached to, when you lose them, it's like, yeah, it's terrible, right? And if I could have another bulldog that literally looks just like one and it has the personality of mine, to where it's almost. But we don't make you feel weird because it's not him. I mean, does it play out like that with their personality? So that's what I want to know. I mean, if it's cloning their DNA, you would think that it would or pretty damn close. So that's the part I want to talk to. I want to talk to somebody and be like, listen, you got your dog cloned for this 20 grand. Is it, does it feel like it's the same exact, not just the way it looks. That's not impressive to me. Like, okay, cool. Cause I can go find a dog that's in the same gene pool that like. It's going to have the same genetic propensity for personality, but the experiences will be different. Sure. Sure, there might be some things that are changed a little bit, but boy, if it does it come off like. Well, that make you feel weird just to like, raise it up and be like, well, you're not, you're not, you're not my dog that died, but you're. So because it's my dog, I think that it would be less, my son, I couldn't do that with. That would be weird. And that would bother me knowing that it didn't like come from me like that. But because it's a pet that you purchase. You think people are going to do that with people at once? Of course, bro. You lose a family member and they'll just clone it so you could raise it again. Of course. Oh, that'll be weird, dude. Of course that's coming, dude. Doesn't it make you feel weird? Yeah, that's just unnatural. But you know it's coming though, don't you? You have to know that's coming. And the first step is this. That's why I want to talk to somebody who's experienced it. Imagine if you were the clone, you know, you grow up and they're like, we cloned you off of, you know. What movie is that? George died. There's a movie. He died in a car accident, but we missed him so we brought him back and it's you, you know, you're the same genetic, but you're different, right? And I'd be like, fuck. So I mean, when you guys, and I know you're into all these shows. Yeah, okay. So we'll go down to your rabbit hole. I'm just gonna stay over here and wait till you guys finish. No, no, no, I'm gonna, because I know you, this is the stuff that you watch. Like the show upload, the show upload, right? So do you think we're more likely gonna go that route or like the cloning route, right? So the difference is this, Sal, if you're not aware of where I'm going with this, is that upload is like, you basically upload your consciousness into another meat bag, right? Let's just talk about I guess what I've read and whatever, like in terms of like where we've got so far with technology. And so like, because the big push too is to figure out consciousness and like how to kind of place your consciousness somewhere else and be able to upload it or have that sort of within a digital space or whatever. But so apparently there was some experiment where, and I know that you've probably seen this where across, I think it was in Europe, somebody from the States was controlling and manipulating like a robot's hand and was able to consciously tap into that neurologically. And so they've actually progressed that to the point of like you could control basically kind of jack in almost like it was your avatar to a robot and was actually able to move it and manipulate around. And so they're like really close to kind of figuring out how to then transmit your consciousness into, let's say it's a clone or let's say it's like, it's a body, a vessel. There's a philosophical problem here that can't, it's impossible to answer, which is if we could perfectly upload your consciousness to another clone or robot, would it actually be you? Or would you just think it was you? In other words, if you woke up and you're a robot, you're like, no, it is me, but is it really, is it really you? You see what I'm saying? There's no way to determine that. I mean, yeah. That'd be terrifying. Yeah, no. I mean, the spiritual godly side of me goes like, that's meddling, and we're also, that's what we are, is we're software, right? Our consciousness and our soul is the software. Our body is the hardware. And so absolutely, if you took my software out and you put it in some of the- Just copied it. Yeah, that's me. Like is it you or is it a copy is my point? Yeah, no. Because it would think it was you. Did you guys ever watch that Black Mirror episode where there was an AI assistant that you could get? That was you, it was a clone of your consciousness. But it was you, but it was trapped in the phone and say, hey, let me out. And you're like, no, no, you're my assistant now. You know me better than anybody. So you're gonna work for me. I don't wanna work for you. And then they'd hit pause and it would, and the clone in the phone, the AI clone, who thought it was that person trapped in the phone, experienced six months of silence, six months stuck in a room as a punishment. And then came out, I'll do whatever you want or whatever. And you watch it and you're just like, oh, that's so weird. That's such a twisted- It sounds like nonsense, you know? It sounds like, why are you guys even talking about this stuff? And meanwhile, like technology's moving so quickly. Like it's gonna be on our doorstep. We're gonna have to reconcile this. We can't catch up morally or ethically to what's happening. And I guess that's really where my, it's my like stress and my like anxiety is really just like the moral and the ethical side that just has been- Bro, 100%, we are barely right now figuring out the moral and ethical repercussions of allowing iPads to raise our children. And that took two decades, basically, of that experiment. Even though intuition with most people are like, this is probably not beneficial, but you don't have that kind of concrete evidence to point to, it's like, but that's why you gotta really listen to yourself a lot of times. Listen, we are dealing with moral and ethical repercussions of all kinds of things that technology has created that humans have never experienced, like pornography, dating sites, like having access to, like, you know what, like dating sites and apps on its surface, if you don't think about it from a moral standpoint, right? Or philosophical standpoint, like, oh, this is great, have more options, I can meet more people. This was supposed to be this incredible way for people to connect. Instead, what's happened is 1% of the men on there, literally, get all the attention from 97% of the women and the rest of the men are completely invisible. And it's literally created this very strange, dynamic, that's the data. Was it you who said you had somebody that you wanted to bring on that? Was it like a porn hub? Yeah, some pornography expert on the list. You know what's so funny? Not a porn hub. Yeah, not a porn hub expert, like it. I was, so I was on there last night with Katrina and her and I were tripping out that this, yeah, on porn hub. Okay. I thought you were said that, but go ahead. And, you know, I- Like literally on there? Yeah, like, well, no, watching it, right? So, and admittedly, I've talked about how I was never like a big porn watcher, like, yeah, I had the videos, this, that, here and there and occasionally the dip in, but it's never been like a struggle for me, right? Sure, sure, sure. So, her and I have happened to be on there and it hadn't been in a long time since the last time or whatever with that. And one of the things we were going through like all the stars, right? So, there's this category we can go in there. And she's like, is that what I think, is that B stand for? I think I said, yeah, that is like, they get billions of views per video. Billions. Billions. And on lots of them and most of them. Like, and that really brought into perspective to me because when you- What other videos on YouTube or anything even scratch that surface? If you get in the hundreds of millions in, you are the most viral thing that have ever- MrBeast. Yes. On YouTube. And YouTube is massively and accepted by everybody. So, what does that tell you? The damage- MrBeast, hold on, hold on the thing. The damage that pornography is causing is one of the most undiscussed, just dangers that's happening. It is completely warping and twisting people's minds. And it has, it does get the brain to adapt in the way that drugs do. And they're showing this. And it molds the brain in the way that drugs do. And it's changing how people are relating to each other and connecting. Not, listen, in all of human history, never did any single person have that much access to that much novelty of stimulus. You could be a king, you could be the emperor of Rome 2000 years ago. You did not have even close to the access of novelty that a 15 year old kid on their iPhone has. That is causing some serious problems and nobody's talking about it. And that's the, nobody's talking about it and how crazy it is was the thing that I think that really triggered that for me. It was like, holy shit, billions. You know what's wild? So, my research on trying to find- I don't even think, tell me if you can find a video on YouTube with a B next to it. I don't think that even exists. And I'm telling you guys, like I was like going- Lots of them. Lots of them. Like lots of them on billions of views. What? Yeah, that's wild. Chew on that for a second. That's, and then when you think of like a platform like YouTube that is as popular and as massive to think that it's like- And that's one platform. Yeah. Do you know that the, because I was trying to find an expert to come on, right? Do you know that what they're, so there's people that are studying this now because now it's been around long enough. Internet porn has been around long enough where they can see data. It's trending everybody towards more extreme and more novel type visual imagery. So whereas porn used to be a look a particular way, it's getting more and more crazy and violent and extreme and what they would call unnatural. Baby shark, 10 billion views. Baby shark is good to record, huh? Is that the record, Andrew? Basically all the kids, Cocoa Mellon, Baby Shark. Okay. They're all like six billion. Okay, now whoa. It's just kids after I've had an old baby like this. Wait, wait, wait. That's okay, so trip on that for a second. The two things in our society that are getting the most, is pornography and probably mostly young adults of that. And then this shit right here, Cocoa Mellon type shit for children. So it's like there's no rules or boundaries and you're just handing them this tool and letting them just letting them go. That's crazy. I know. So that's really wild to think about it like that is that you've got this, which is obviously appealing to under five year olds, which is getting the most views on YouTube than anything else. And then you have pornography that's in the billions of views. That's crazy. Yeah, that's wild. That is crazy. Yeah, I can't wait to have someone come on, like I said and talk about. Yeah, can you, since you're in this when you're looking around, I'm now just curious because we're talking about this. Like what the total amount of monthly views of pornography is. Like of all pornography? Yes, per month. I don't even think they can. Oh, I mean, they can get an idea. Per day, I think they can get an idea. Or that, give me the amount of views that how much pornography content is viewed per day or per month. Just to put it in a perspective of how many humans are on the earth and this and that. You know what's wild is that how willingly people are to deny the potential dangers of something simply because it's so popular and they like it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So it's like exploded. That's our whole career, like talking to people about food and stuff. I know. You know what I'm saying? Like that's like, yeah, I mean, so much that there's even in the fitness space a counter movement to like, don't demonize food. It's like, stop it, dude. This is not ideal for them. Like if this package wrapper bullshit, that's all it gets. It's all moral. And I'm not saying fucking that you can't never have or indulge in something like that every once in a while, but it's like, let's stop fooling ourselves to thinking that it's totally innocuous. That's morally relevant to everything. Yeah. So the top three porn sites have 5.81 billion site views of visits every month. Wow. I can only assume they're watching more than one video. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. That's insane. 5.6 per, on all three of them. So 15 something billion views. Total. 5.81 billion for all of them combined for the top three. For the top three. Oh, okay. Back in the day, it was just Debbie Dunstallis. That site visits, though. Oh, that's people going to the site. That's people going to the site videos. Oh, they could watch five, six. Oh, yeah. Jesus. Yeah, that's not even one. How many billions of people on earth? Seven? Eight, around eight. Oh, God. Yeah. What a bit. You are basically capturing everybody a month. Everybody. That's wild. That's scary. That is wild. That's a monster. Yeah, you know, and so I hope you get somebody to come on because I do want to talk to them now. Just, I'm just so curious to like what that like has grown over the last, like what does that trajectory look like in the last decade or two? It has to have been on like a crazy growth trajectory. Listen, I'm a grown, I'm a grown man. I did not grow up with this like kids do these days. I couldn't imagine being a 15 year old kid with full, just unadulterated access to the internet and having that accessible today. Could you imagine what that would have done to you? I don't know if I, I don't think I, even with my, you know, the way I was raised, values and stuff like that, I don't think I would have resisted it. I think I would have indulged. How? I would have for sure as a teenage boy who doesn't, cause you're not thinking. And then how did you think it would have shaped your brain? Remember the brain is shaped that way. They talk about imprinting and stuff like that. Like, that's wild man. That's crazy when you think about it. It's scary. Yeah, speaking of, speaking of which, I had my vasectomy to check up. Great transition. Is your shit still working? I didn't know if you were going to, I didn't know if you're going to go that direction. Speaking of, IMAX. Speaking of, no, I went, it was not, it was not the vasectomy, it was the like console. So they do a console with you. To check if your equipment is great. To see if you're serious about it. And they do a quick check or whatever. And then apparently in California, I don't know this, that console lasts for six months. Checking under the hood. But yeah, that lasts for six months. You have to get your vasectomy within six months. Otherwise you have to do another console. What? I think it's to prevent people changing their mind or suing them or something like that. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. They want to know you're really about. Doesn't that make you concerned a little bit of this simple? Well, I have four kids. I think people change their mind because then they say, People change their mind a little. Yeah, I want to have kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got four kids. Yeah, that would be my challenge, right? And I'm, you know, so, but, but it's so uncomfortable. I swear I'm in there. Doctor walks in, he's got an intern with him. So there's two guys in there. Two guys. Yeah. So now I got doctor and intern. Pizza guy. Yeah. And he's like, all right, yo, I'm going to check you. Let's just pull, pull down your pants. I'm like, uh, okay. They pull him down. He's like, holy shit. They're both looking. You got to get in here. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Steve, come here. We got to go interns. Take a look at this. Oh, by the way. Bring a magnifying glass with you when you come here. Oh, come on. We got, we got a, we got a class visiting right now. I was learning about this. You guys want to come in? Everybody want to come in? There's two of them. Yeah. It's always uncomfortable, you know, because you're sitting there as a dude, like manipulating you. Just like, uh, don't make eye contact, you know, the whole time. What is it? You probably have read something study-wise. So what is it about men that we just resist doctor's office so much? What is that? Because that's how women are like... Yeah, they have to control the vulnerable. Yeah, they have to like, push us into the doctor's office. Yes. It's the same reason why we like to remote control. Maybe we don't like to not be in control. Is that, come on, because there's women that like lots of control and they're like, I don't, I don't feel like it's that. It's got to be something else. It's because, I think it's because if you have a real, like, tight group of friends that just roast you all the time, you know, for anything, at least snivelly, little whiny, little bitchy, complaining thing. Is it about being tough? Yes. I seriously think it's simply about being vulnerable. I think... You don't want to sit there and be vulnerable and have somebody tell you whatever. Partially. But you don't want to admit that you're... Well, those are kind of, they're both probably right because it's kind of the same thing and I agree with both of you. Like, it's like a toughness vulnerable thing. Here, they fear an embarrassing diagnosis and sometimes because of the stigma many men believe they should be strong enough to handle things on their own. Oh, so it's, yeah, she's a combination. We avoid our feelings. We avoid any... Just rub some cream on it. Yeah, some tussin'. Yeah, some tussin'. So I got this chest pain. How many times have you ever heard this? Chest pain? You know, what kind of exercise? Like, how long have you had the chest pain? I don't know, like three months. Kind of lose my breath a little bit. Yeah. Bro, what the fuck? I'm going to have a heart attack, guys. What are you talking about? Yeah. You know? Yeah, I'm... Oh, I'm bad, bro. You have to, like, drag me in for sure. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, I got to be pretty bad to go into the doctor. What's the last time you went to the doctor? I can't remember. Really? Kaiser calls me, like, literally three times a week. That's because you're obese on the scale, though. They're just trying to see if I'm still alive. Yeah, I'm still alive. He's on the BMI scale. We have a few bariatric treatment here. They just said they tried to get you in an obesity class or something. Yeah. Yeah. Literally, like, look at me. Never even, like, made eye contact with me, and just, like, writing this off, like, I'm obese. How would you feel about that call? So what happened? I mean, I remember that happening to me, too, dude, because those stupid BMI things are so... They're so skewed. Yeah. And it was worse when I was even bigger. You know what I'm saying? I was even leaner and more fit than I was before. And I was like, oh, you're obese on here. Get out of here with that stupid thing. Because of the weight thing or whatever. And so what'd you get? You had a call, and they're just like, hey, you call first. And I laughed, and then I got a call as a follow-up and was, like, basically trying to pitch me all these benefits and, you know, like, at least 20 pounds and, you know, this is what we're going to do. Hey, if you were... Get the fuck out of here. If you were still trying to train people, I would have gone just to get clients. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just vlog the whole thing. Yeah. Just show up and just get in the club. Hey, you know what? I'll train people if you guys want to. You should see what I looked like six months ago. Man. You're obese, not anymore. Yeah, yeah. I discovered a fat law secret. If you want to talk about it after class. Dr. Dan really knows what he's doing. Yeah. Anyway. High five. All right, I'll bring up the other thing, which is the Operation Midnight Climax. Have you ever heard of this? Operation Midnight Climax? Yes. San Francisco. You know about it. This is the CIA, I believe, yes. Yeah. God, you know everything. They drugged these Johns. They basically gave them acid, and they were doing these experiments. Did the CIA do that to the Johns? Yeah, the prostitutes. Bro, listen to this. Okay, okay. This is real. Okay, so they filmed it. The prostitutes are giving the Johns. It's worse than you think. I know. Yeah, that's okay. Listen. Okay, what were they trying to solve? Can I know that first? The CIA had a project called Project NK Ultra. NK Ultra. And what it was was to see, can we use psychedelic substances to brainwash people, control their minds, get them to do what we want, believe what we want. Okay. Okay. So the government was like, we want to figure this out because it's the Cold War. So let's use prostitutes. So they took it. No, they used TV. So this doctor, he was a chemist and he based his plan off of an interrogation method called Project Artichoke. Operation Midnight Clients gave him permission to test drugs on unknowing citizens. Okay. So there were scientists, field operatives, agents. Can I just say, can I just... How fun of a job with that? Hey, how brilliant on their part of people who's not going to squeal. Yeah, exactly why they did that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, they're not saying nothing. Yeah, eggs ain't shit. Right, ready for this? Okay. So he did do a lot of that. He dose people in restaurants, bars and beaches. And it was all happening in San Francisco. You ready for this? Here's the part that blew my mind. The extent to which this widespread exposure of the public to mind altering drugs. Remember, they were rare. You're talking about the 1950s, early 60s, like LSD and stuff like that. People weren't really using them that much. Dude, did you attribute this to a bit of the hippie explosion? It was in San Francisco. And it says here, the extent to which this widespread exposure of the public to mind altering drugs contributed to the rise of the counterculture movement in the late 50s and 60s is unknown. Although, can Kate Keesey has attributed his role in the genesis of the influential San Francisco Bay Area psychedelics social scene that developed in the 1960s to his participation in Project MKUltra, including LSD experiments in Menlo Park, California. Of course. So they may have started the whole psychedelic movement through the CIA. So does it go into like what they did? Okay, so they gave these johns? No, not just johns. It wasn't just johns. Oh, it wasn't just a restaurant. It was fucking just people. I didn't hear about that. Yeah, restaurants, bars, they would dose them and then watch what happened. And then they'd have someone go, a CIA person go, act like whatever and see how they could brainwash them, control them, whatever it was. So they had some of the prostitutes like asking them certain questions to see what information they could extract and like how far they could... So the one thing that they would go to give... The one bit that they released, it's all classified, they don't release any of it, but one bit that they released was that with sex and psychedelics, people are far more willing to give up sensitive information. Of course. It's like the old honeypot. I'm pretty sure it's why my life likes to do it with us. She knows I'm gonna fucking tell her everything. You can't hold a secret after that, dude. Psychedelics mashed with great sex. He pulls like, tore out everything you have, you know what I'm saying? Like, literally. She's like, this is a hack. After you're done, Adam's like, you know I'm scared of the dark? Yeah. Oh, you want one? I'm really scared. So, okay, this needs to be a movie. Why haven't they made a movie? I'm surprised they haven't. Yeah, because, I mean, I know that too, there was the other book about like Charles Manson and how his ties in with MKUltra and like a lot of the creation of some of his serial killers. No, I do know that. I didn't know it was tied to MKUltra. I know that he used to use psychedelics to manipulate his flock of people, right? Yes, but there's some people speculating. That he's a plant. That he was CIA plant. That they did that and had it. You know, it's so crazy and scary about that. Is it makes a lot of sense why someone with that would go to that, do that much crazy shit because you got the green light from the freak? Well, yeah, but he went to prison though. If he was part of that, we wouldn't have gone to prison. We wouldn't have gone to prison. You don't think they're going to, he's not part of it like you work with the CIA. They pick and then they use him. Latin. Exactly. So by the way, useful idiot, right? No, bro, listen, this is, this is all, this is all like real shit. Then there's the Tuskegee experiments. People don't know this one. Government actually officially came out and apologize for but they did this between 1932 and 1972. This was as late as the 1970s where the infected African-American men with syphilis. The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated. They gave them syphilis without them knowing to watch and see what would happen. It's weird that people had reserve about an experimental vaccine. I swear to God, dude. Well, people are like, why don't you trust? It's like, come on, this is what they even did it. 40 years they did that for. 40 years, bro. Over 400 men. How messed up is that? How messed up? They give you a disease and then they, and then here's the sad part. These men would go to the doctor to try and figure out what's going on and they wouldn't treat them because they're watching to see how it would unfold. How sad. Isn't that terrible? It is. It makes me so sad. And then what's crazy, you can't help but think, which is, you know, at the Justin's jab and point there, it's just like, you know, what are they still doing? Oh. You know? Yeah. What are they? Like, do we all of a sudden think they had, like, Jesus in the 80s? Like the 80s are like, hey, you know what? Let's become more... Let's stop doing this shit. Yeah, we learned what they did like a decade ago. You know, like, that's how like the information travels because of what's that act with like the freedom of information act. I think it's 20 or 30 years. Yeah, it's like wave. So in terms of like catching up to what they're doing now, who knows? I mean, think about it just because of how we've evolved. It has to be that much more insidious, right? It just has to be. Like, it's not going to be like, oh, wow, they're getting savvy to the stuff that we do all these things. Well, what's weird to me... Now we have to be like super covert. Here's what's weird to me. Assassinations of influential or slash, you know, potentially radical, whatever, you know, counterculture movement leaders used to happen all the time. They don't happen anymore. So, and all the time, I mean, John Lennon, Martin Luther King, JFK, which they now, they won a lawsuit saying, oh yeah, he was the CIA, you know, caused that. Like you have all these, you know, John FK's, what is his brother? Robert Kennedy. Robert. And I mean, so many Malcolm X, like all these people who got assassinated, who were counterculture, you know, type movement people or whatever, that doesn't happen anymore. So, so what happened? All of a sudden, these people stopped getting assassinated because people stopped trying to kill them or did they change their tactics? Yeah, they found a better way. Yeah, they found a different way, which is I think what you would, I mean, you know, I'd kind of interesting. This is different than all of that. But if you guys ever heard of the savo, to savo lions, I don't know how to pronounce that, but savo lions. So this was, you probably will once they bring it up, but basically I think it was Kenya, but they were the man eating lions. Yes. And so, Oh yeah, yeah, that's in that movie, the great movie with, Yeah, I know. Yeah. The Southern Lion, I think is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are the lions that killed like 100 people and they couldn't catch them. 135. Yeah. And they're all building this railroad. Yeah, yeah, that's it. So do you know like what they kind of deduced as to maybe a possible theory is why that they were focused on humans? I forget, tell me. Because humans are delicious. Yeah, they're delicious. But so normally they eat big game, right? And so what they're thinking was one of them, they found on their teeth, like it was one of their canines that had basically cracked. And so it was an infected. And so it was hard for him to eat bigger game and to be able to kind of chomp through. So humans are easier. So humans are easier and like more conveniently located. So they just start, you know, instinctively to start stalking humans because they're an easier prey. But normally they're into bigger game. But so they think that that was probably why. And then it created sort of this, oh wow. Learned behavior. Learned behavior. So we can keep making this a food source. I forget what they depicted in the movie. That's a good movie, by the way. They eventually hunted them down. That's Val Kilmer. That's who it is. It was Val Kilmer and it's something in the darkness. Ghost in the darkness. Ghost in the darkness. Ghost in the darkness. I never saw that. Michael Douglas. That was a good movie. Michael Douglas and Val Kilmer, and it's based off that true story because they actually dropped those stats that you just said. Do you know what predator? Well, if you see it, it's almost always for sure, probably hunting you. Polar bear. Oh yeah. If you see a polar bear, if you see a polar bear, he's probably stalking you. They're like murderers. Really? Yeah, it's not like a lion. You see lions over there like if you're in the Arctic, and they'll say that if they see a polar bear. Co-commercials are just totally misleading. Yeah, they're like, oh, he's going to come try and get us for sure. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Because they're purely carnivores. They don't, that's all they eat and they hunt and they. It's scarce. Yeah, it's scarce. So they have to like eat whatever's available. Whatever's available. So explorers say that, like if you see a polar bear, oh, he's stalking you. Like he's coming after you. Yeah. For sure. That sucks. I know. There's a few, I was actually, I was reading up on some of this because there was like some specific sharks they had found that were just specifically targeting humans that they ended up tracking and ended up killing. But like, yeah, they got a taste. And it was all because of some more convenience, like a more convenient way to create humans as a food source. But it happens, you know, like every now and then. What would be the scariest thing to get eaten by? It's got to be a shark, right? Because you're in the water. I'd say like a squid. I'd say like a squid or something. You know, what? Yeah. Stop it. Yeah. It's all right. It's all right. Like hugging and rapping and tentacles. Like, you thought of it. You thought of it. Then the beak, you thought of it too. The beak just starts like, that was way too, that was way too quick of an answer. He's all squid. Yeah. For these reasons. Boop, boop, boop. Dude, they have the weirdest mouths. They're like a beak. It's like, ew. I've never thought of a squid. I think the worst to be sending that actually is, is not so massive to where it's, it takes a while and it's hard. Right. Like that would be the worst. So if I'm not mistaken, a polar bear doesn't kill you. It just starts eating it. If I'm not mistaken, most animals, predators will kill you. I think that's bears. Hyena's eating like ass first. That would be horrible. That's, is that true? Is that true? Look at that. Do hyenas eat? Because that would be the worst. Hell, bad. Because you're alive. Oh no. Oh, come on. I mean, it's one of those canine kind of animals for sure. And the water, and the water one, because they say drowning is euphoric, that would probably work to your benefit, right? You'd probably get sucked under by a shark about that. I've heard that's actually the best way to go. It is. Even though that sounds terrifying for me to get, to drown, they say that that's one of the best ways. That when you go, it's like rush of chemicals. They don't eat you ass first, but they grab the animals back, legs, and belly. Okay. So hyena is going to picture. I know that there's an animal out there that does it. It just like goes ham. What's up, Andrew? You got something or what? Right ass first. No, I was just going to say what Sal said. They basically just, whatever's easier to bite because of the jaws. Yeah, to grab. Oh, okay. Have you seen those pictures? I think I've shown these before. It was like, I don't know if they're Somali gangsters or whatever, and they have hyenas as pets. It's like the ultimate flex. Have you seen that? No, I haven't. Oh yeah. And I don't even know if it's a bully. These dudes have hyenas. You know what's deceiving about a hyena is that when you see them, they're much bigger than what they used to. They're huge. Yeah, they're big. They'll kill your dog. Yeah, I used to always see them like on the National Geographic and be like, why, they're so scrawny in the step of their. This is because their next alliance. Yeah, and then, but when they're by themselves, they're big dogs, you know what I'm saying? They're dog. I don't even know if they're part of the dog family. Yeah, they're part of the dog family. It'll be interesting. They're Nigerian Nigerian like Nigerian gangs and they'll walk around with them like they're like they're pets. Yeah. So you think you're a badass with your pit? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there you go. It's the first one right there are hyenas dogs. Yeah. Let's see what it says. You're probably right. Are not. Oh, they're not dog or cat dog or cat. Yeah. They're part of the high night high and ID family or something like that. Yeah. Spot it. We will. What else? Ard? Ard Wolf? Yeah. I don't what's an ard wolf? That's weird. Because I did not know that. Yeah. That would totally you assume that wouldn't you? Yeah. Yeah. Um no, I kind of knew that. I kind of knew that. Yeah, I did. That's why I asked a question. You challenged it. I wouldn't I would have been wrong for sure. I know like the dingo, right? That's a dog. And like there's there's other dog that's not a coyote is not a dog. That's the ard wolf. It is. Yeah. Coyote is not a dog. I thought it was part of the wolf family. It's part of the wolf part of the dog family. That's where dogs came from. I knew that. So I guess I'm being stupid. Yeah. Yeah, you were doing good. I was cool. You were doing good for me. We'll edit that out there. We talked to Doug real quick. Let's cut that out. Rewind. I messed up on that one. Well, I can I can follow up to one because that one spider fact was completely wrong. I launched last time. Oh, that guy that was the spider like. Oh, you put you put combo. Oh, that scared the shit out of me, though, you guys. I lost sleep over that. So I had to bring it up. But yeah, this one was just creepy. And I was like, why? Like sometimes you just you wonder the scientists like what spawned this idea? What did they do? So they took like dead spiders. And they basically have like this electrode probe thing that's like suspending them. And they were doing these experiments where they would like, like add electricity and it would like open the legs out and to where they could like grab an object and pick it up. And it was like twice, if not like three times their body weight. And then they're just doing experience where it would like act as like one of those claws that you go to grab toys, you know, for the it was like, why? Like what's the what are we accomplishing here? It's just so creepy to watch to this whole video. How are they doing that? I don't know. What's going on? Anyway, here's a turbo animating spiders, terrible transition from spiders. But a butcher box there. They got so speaking to that. Hey, actually, I was gonna ask you Courtney texting me. Yeah, right? Your guys's wives texting. She does that. She's not part of this commercial. She was asking me about my meat that we have in our in our butcher box. I won't tell about you. No, she was asking about the chicken breast. Anyways, your wife asked me about the the ribs that I always talk about. And so I guess you guys are got some coming down your pipe. So she said that you guys guys make those in sweet. Yeah, you've been hyping those up so much. I've been telling her about it. Slow cook those. Yeah, slow cook those. And they're the best baby back. And I've tried so many different baby ribs from. Yeah, they're the best ones that they make. I don't go ahead. Have you guys tried the the you guys still eating the nuggets, the gluten free? Yeah, right now. Kidding me? Why? What is that? It's the best. It's the best nuggets I've ever had in my life. Slips off of those. That's like a staple meal. Yeah, the breading, whatever that is. It's a little bit kind of free. It's kind of like tater tot kind of crust. It's so good. It is. Yeah, I don't know like any other description. No, they crushed it because I've had a lot of nuggets in my life. Those are the best ones. Yeah. And it doesn't, it's, you know, me, they crush on like McDonald's restaurant. I had a McDonald's nugget not that long ago and I was like, oh, it tasted disgusting. Well, McDonald's nuggets tastes like deserts. Yes. They're processed. They're, they're gross. Yeah. You know, speaking of me is I just bought it. I know Doug was quick to text me because he likes these toys. And I haven't used it yet. But I posted that I bought it. I just got it. And unfortunately, I didn't realize you had to charge it for eight hours before you use it or also I would have used it on my last cook. It's, I think it's called the meter. The meter. Yeah. It's called the meter, right? It's spelled meat, right? Yes, M-E-A-T-E-R. Yes, yes, yes. It's spelled like that. And it's, I think it's partnered with Traeger or I don't know if it's an actual trigger. Yeah, I see them promoting it. I bought it through the Traeger website. Oh, you did? Yeah, yeah. So I, but it didn't have Traeger branding on it when I, when I opened it up. So I wasn't sure if it was like affiliated with them or what it is, but they're basically, it's, they're, they're basically Bluetooth thermometers. And so you, I see this. Oh, so it just communicates to your phone? Yeah, dude. Oh. And it, bro. Now do you leave it in while you cook it? It's, it, yeah. Oh, so you cook it with it in there? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's smart. And so having to go check it. And it has everything you could possibly think of. So if you're doing poultry, you're doing beef, you're doing like whatever meat and then how you want it, how you want it, it will tell you what temperature you need to pull it at. And then it's all digital. So I just got to look down at my phone and it's like, oh, I'm at 112. Okay, still keep going. What? All they need is a little camera inside. It's not cheap. So you can get the single one. I got the four pack. The four pack was probably, I don't know, 100. That's smart. Don't quote me, but I think it was like 170 to $200 or something. Oh, it's Bluetooth though, huh? Yeah. So you're just going to get cancer meat? Is there? What is, that was 100 bucks just for the single, but I got the four pack. So I mean, so Trigger already has a, I already, I have a, I have a dual thing so I can put, I can plug mine in, but then I got to go over to it. And mine's like really long. I don't like it the way it is. So I always feel like it's not getting a good read, not as precise as I like. Everybody when they saw me post this said, it's the best thing they've ever had. Really? But you just came with four, huh? You got four in them. Yeah. So you can buy a four pack. See this though? Look, you can do it in the crock pot. You can do it. Wow. You can even leave it in there. Like, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. So I have the one that you can leave in right now, but it's, it's, and it's connected to the Trigger. And I can only use it on my Trigger. So if I do my gas grill, I don't have something for this where now I'll be able to do this. Yeah. Oh, I might check. Well, I'm going to check this out. Yeah, it's definitely, because I suck at barbecuing. And here's the theme, Sal. It's like, because, you know, for a long period of time, I sucked at barbecuing too. Once you figure out, Try and make me feel better. I am. So because you, you can get good at this. Once you've, especially with the tools that they have now, it's almost like cheating. I mean, it really is. It is cheating. My brother-in-law, who's like a purist, gives me so much shit from my Trigger grill and my thermometers and all the stuff like that. He's just like, this marks about it. Like it's like, I don't give a shit. You know, I want good meat. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not trying to prove to anybody that I'm like a grill master, you know what I'm saying? So once you figure out like how you, how Jessica, how everybody likes their, their meat, whatever you cook, you're done. Like then you just know that that's the temperature that you pull at. And you, and you know, it takes a few times of cooking, whatever types of cuts of meat. Like I know like I pull Katrina's, because she likes it so ruined. She want, I'll wait all the way till like 140. I pull my meat at 132. And then I have a sear. And then it's like, then it, then 100% time, you're perfect. Wow. So yeah, helps even somebody who's not in. Let me check it out. Can I just say how happy I am that Butcher Box has thick cut steaks now? Oh yeah. Like rib eyes. Yeah. Oh, they went thick cut now. They have, yeah, man, look at your, your box and next time order some thick cut pieces. Oh, I'm going to text Katrina. I went away from the meat. Cause I don't like how the meat's thin cut sometimes, but it's, they have thick cut. They have thick cut now. Yeah. I don't mind thin. You know, you can make thin good if you, if you cook it real fast. You can. You have to be very careful. Here's what we do. Have you ever done this before? You take a plate, olive oil and oregano and salt. And then you put the meat on the oregano and salt. All of that's really good. Tine stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Try it out. Shout out. I want to shout out the book that I talked about last time, nonviolent communication. A great, great book. Here's what's crazy about it. Okay. And I, it's so funny that I started reading this now because I just, maybe a few weeks ago, was watching this video and reading about how language is what shapes human thought without language. We're actually unable to think the way that we do to perceive the future and the past and to categorize things. So language shapes our thoughts and our thoughts shape our language, but our language shapes our thoughts more than anything. Without language, we think very much in terms of feelings and what's happening now. And that's it. We don't think in terms of future and categories and people and stuff like that. So this book talks about language and how it shapes the way you view the world and how to change that language and how it changes your perception of things. It's a very, very, very smart book. Electrolytes help your muscles fire. They help hydrate your body. They're good for you and we don't get enough of them. Anyway, there's a company called Elementee that makes an electrolyte powder that has no artificial sweeteners, no sugar. You add it to your water and it has the right amount of sodium for hardworking fitness fanatics and people who don't consume heavily processed foods and people with a low-corp diet. All those people need more sodium typically in their diet. Elementee provides that with no calories. Go check them out. Get yourself a free sample pack. Go to drinklmt.com forward slash mind pump. And if you get an order there on that link, you'll get a free sample pack. All right, back to the show. First question is from Burke himself. I would love to hear how each member of mind pump is currently training right now. What program does their trainer training most closely resemble? Okay. I appreciate when people say it that way where it's like what program does it most closely? Because we're gonna, I mean, we're gonna individualize it ourselves because of our experience. Right now my program most closely resembles anabolic advance. So yeah, I'm following that type of a program and programming and I probably switched to that. I'd say, I want to say maybe three weeks ago because I just, now I just noticed really great results from the, I have to also make sure I'm rested and well-fed when I do that because of the, just the intensity and volume of it. But I love that alternating, you know, kind of volume style training with the intensity and you know, failure type training. It's, it works pretty well. Mine probably most closely resembles urban hip-hop from beach party. I like that. No, I'm playing the. Gyrations. Maths 15 right now is probably the, what I'd say. I am. Yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm probably. Are you doing it here at home? A little bit of both. Wherever I can, wherever I can. Right now we're in the middle of this transition of this work week. So I'm having a bit of a challenge with when I'm doing that. These, these days tend to be a little bit longer than what they used to be. So I used to train here right afterwards or train at home and I'm, I'm finding myself not doing that. And then I'm cramming it in the last, the last three or four days. So, um, yeah, I'd say it's like a map 15 esk, you know, and then there's days where I have like a, like I went on the weekend where I have a full hour, then I'll probably put an hour work in. So if, if maps 15 and a map. So like two lifts, two, three lifts a day. That, yeah, two, three lifts, but not daily because I'm only getting like three or four times in. So it looks like two big lifts. And then I have a day or two on the weekend. Sometimes that looks more like a maps anabolic. Oh, I see. Yeah. So I'd say a maps anabolic day. And then maps 15 when I can't get the full hour type of workout is kind of what it looks like. Yeah. I'd say for me it kind of resembled old time strength initially a lot of grip intensive stuff overhead carries like a lot of that kind of stuff. In bent press and then I kind of moved on to do a little more performance phase two type of work. So a lot, a lot more like functional stuff because I was trying to get more athletic again and be able to move effectively and get up and run. So the whole running thing took a bit for me to like get everything sort of back in order and stabilize in order for me to like put that kind of intensity cardiovascularly. So I did that for, I don't know, maybe like a month and a half or two. And then now I'm back to like maps 15 like like pretty, pretty consistently similar to that with interruptions of like suspension trainer work, Olympic rings, you know, but like I'll do that in combination with barbell training. Oh, so you, you, our workouts probably look similar because I actually use the suspension trainer every once in a while throw in there like external rotation with my like or W's or whatever. I'll throw that in there and some tricep extension when I do some arm work which I really do. I seem to like never miss squatting and pull-ups in a week. Like if I were to assess like the last like six months to a year. Does that say feel the best for you? I just feel like that gives me like the biggest bang for my buck. Like squatting and then and then the pull-ups like just seem to like keep me feel like feeling strong overall, right? And that's not me trying to make, let's not compare like, oh, this exercise technically is more like, I know a deadlifting is is going to give me more results as far as overall muscle on my body if I already compared to a pull-up. But being able to pull up and pull myself up and control that like and get a good amount of reps and being able to squat good weight something about that makes me feel like still feel strong. Yeah, overhead press for me in that regard is always one that I- And then I would say that's probably my third that I make sure that's in there. And then the ring is because of the really deep kind of dips I can do. And it's the hardest thing I think out of anything I do. I feel strong if I'm like, oh, I can easily get like 10. Sometimes I can only get like five and I'm like, ah, what I feel like if we do what you just so pull up overhead press and squat, if I never fall off of those three movements in a week and maintain relatively- And throw in some other stuff. Yeah, or not like it missed. That's all I do those three and then I get back into like a rhythm. When I get back in the rhythm, I feel like so I don't have a lot of fall off. I don't feel like I'm like, wait, whereas if you stop doing like everything and then you come back and it's like, oh my god, I'm so weak, get back to square one. Whereas if I maintain my pull-up strength, I maintain my squat strength, I can maintain my overhead press strength. I feel like I can come back to a lot of movements that I haven't done in a month or two and still feel okay. You know, there was a popular routine in the 90s. I can remember the guy's picture. I don't remember the name of the routine, but he would sell these books out of the back of the bodybuilding magazines and his routine was based off of squats, dips, and pull-ups. There was dips, pull-ups, and squats. And you know, there's a picture of them all pumped up or whatever we were talking about. And you know, if you think about it, there's no such thing as like the perfect only three exercises, but those aren't bad. I think we're doing really good pushing. We're splitting that up, yeah. Yeah, good pushing movement, a good pulling movement, a good kind of squatting movement. You've got a lot of bases covered by doing some. I think that's what it is. Of course it's not ideal for making moves and I wouldn't have my client do any of this stuff like that. But when I think of like, you know, what I always talk about was just doing the least amount possible, right? To listen to change or even to maintain in this case. That's all I'm looking to do is like I just don't want to lose a bunch of muscle that I've built. And so what movements do I know keep the most on me? I just came up with such a great product idea. I'm not even sure if I want to share it. I swear to God, I'll tell you guys after the podcast. Doug, how's your workouts? What are you doing? Back on anabolic. You're all faithful. Yeah. So last time I went through the maps 15 and then I just kind of go back and forth between other programs and maps anabolic. So I'm on phase two of anabolic. I'm only doing the twice a week right now. So the last time I did anabolic, especially after phase one, I was feeling a little beat up. And so I said, I'm just going to try two workouts a week and see how that goes. I'm really liking it for me right now. That's actually how I started with you, Sal. It is. It is. Twice a week. Perfect. Next question is from LAPD. Are full body or body part splits optimal for hypertrophy, hoping sets and frequency equal? Not sure. So sets and frequency being controlled is what they're saying. So for most people, full body is going to be superior. And there's a few different reasons why. One is if you miss a workout, which everybody's going to do here and there. Main reason in my opinion. You're not going to miss an entire body part, right? You've already hit your whole body twice that week. You miss one workout. Okay, no big deal. Body part splits. What you tend to see with a trend is that people tend to miss, if they do miss a workout, it's always that body part they don't like, like legs or arms or whatever that they don't like. And so you start to see imbalances that are created. The second reason is, and this is just my argument, I think there's a better systemic muscle building signal that sent from three workouts a week than there are from five workouts a week. And if full body exercise, you're also more likely to pick the big bang for your butt exercises. If I'm going to do nine sets for chest in one day, it's probably not going to be nine sets of the most effective chest exercises. I'm probably going to have at least five or six or three sets of. Then you get in that conundrum too. Like where do I put the dead lift, you know? If it's back, if it's not back day or if it's leg day or if I just to, I think that a lot of times people overdo leg day. And so that was like one of my biggest combs with split versus like total body. It's just, I like to touch legs each time in my workout because it just, for me, I feel like I'm putting out a bigger signal. I feel like my whole body is generating more force, which then, you know, and then to the recovery time in between those are two arguments I always make. Along those lines, I agree. I think that people, when you run splits, you're more likely to overdo intensity on a muscle group. And I think when you have to do full body, broken up two or three days a week, it modifies or manages people's intensity better because you're not going to go destroy one muscle group and either do train the whole body. So you have to be a little more conservative with the amount of intensity that you put forth towards each exercise. And the hardest transition is getting a body part split guy to go, hey, it's okay that you don't feel destroyed after that, you know, three sets of squats and now we're moving on to something else. Like it's okay and normal to feel that way and then getting them to commit to training that way with, you know, three days a week full body versus splitting the body up because the body part split, it kind of, it promotes this destroy a muscle group or two muscle groups. And just I think too many people overreach their body is constantly in this recovery trap and they're not recovering and they don't actually adapt and grow. And so in my experience, people always end up doing better with the full body and especially to your points out, I know with my own, we were just talking about our training right now. And I'm always inconsistent and like when I don't have like a major goal and I'm just training for health, like I really ever have this five weeks in a row of exactly the same consistency, just not how I train. It's like I train when I can and when it fits in and do what I need to do and full body is just the best way to do that because there's a lot of times where I just got back from a four day trip where I was out. So with that, and so I got one workout in, you know, and it's so great that I got one workout in and I hit everything. So it's like those type of things I think are important. Also for muscle and hypertrophy, especially for strength in particular or power, fatigue is the enemy. And so how many of the sets that you do in one workout where it's all chest, right, or all back, how many of those sets are going to be quality, right? Versus splitting up those sets throughout the week. If you do three sets, three days a week, that's nine total sets. Those three sets you do each time tend to be more quality, right? Versus nine sets by the time you get towards the end of the workout. It becomes more about just getting the pump and, you know, fatiguing the muscle type of deal. So you'll see power and strength athletes often train with more frequency than bodybuilders do who tend to hammer a body part all in one day. And I think strength athletes, for most people, have more, have better programming than bodybuilding. Now there are those cases where you have those genetic anomalies and freaks and all that stuff. And that's why splits can sometimes be better because just the total amount of volume someone's going to train, if they did a full body workout, it might take them two and a half hours. But for most people, full bodies, and this is, we've experienced this throughout our whole careers, it's just better, just better. Next question is from Chris E. Dagel. Are peptides and TRT still allowed to claim natural? It's so funny. I think this is so funny. No, no, they're not. You know, you know, that brings us to another one, like another. Who cares? Yeah, I mean, so, okay, so the question about natural, right? If you're in a competition or a sport, that is, you know, that there has a governing body, they'll tell you what you can and can't use. This whole like, are you natural or not? I think it should be limited to hormones for the most part because, I mean, people have used medications, they use all kinds of things that aren't natural. Does that count? What about what about anything that improves performance? Caffeine. Yeah. And some supplements do. Is that still considered, you know, natural peptides or natural in the body? You know, I, they're not drugs. Are those considered so? This, this just reminded me of something I wanted to, I'm so glad actually this guy brought up because I actually had this in my notes like a couple of weeks ago to bring up to you guys and share the story with you of why I really can't stand this, this movement on social media of people that do the natural, not natural fake natty stuff. So, you know, Greg Duchet, who's famous for doing this. Yeah. There's a guy that he like called out that he got after is one of his competitions like his, his estrogen levels were through the roof and it was just like, it was so obvious supposedly that he did something. He was on drugs. So, he just hammered this guy and a bunch of people just destroyed his reputation and so with that and a year comes out later they had Hashimoto's and the Hashimoto's is what caused this hormone imbalance to be way off and the guy the whole time was actually a natural athlete and they took him through the ringer on the internet because someone like that who's got a lot of. It's the mob dude, it's the whole thing. It is. And it's just a bunch of fucking bullshit, you know, like that's somebody's life who got ruined over somebody else who has some Instagram, YouTube clout and that's what they do and all they do is sit at home and make videos and try. You know, let me, let me rephrase let me, let me put this in a nice, in a different context just to kind of, so people can understand what's going on here because I get the whole argument like, well if they're selling products or they're saying they're natural and their workout is what made them look this way but then we find out they're on drugs then it doesn't count. All right, let's just imagine a world where all performance-enhancing drugs were legal over the counter testosterone, Diana Ball, Tremblone, all the steroids, all that stuff and then you had ads, you had ads on social media with Ronny Coleman, Kevin Lavroni in his peak, you know, these massive bodybuilders, whatever and they're like take Tremblone and look like me still a lie. It's still a lie. Right. The average person if they used the same drugs that these pro bodybuilders used would not look like these pro bodybuilders even steroids won't make you look like these people. So whether they say it's a supplement or a workout this is how I look the way I do and whatever you think you're going to look like that person by doing what they do is wrong no matter what it's always going to be wrong even if it's drugs even if it's drugs it's wrong. You could give me all the steroids in the world and I wouldn't even I probably wouldn't even win a state bodybuilding competition. That's how big of a role genetics play which obviously you don't have the same genetics as these people. So just to put these those things in context this whole like are they natural are they not natural are they whatever it's like well there's also the other point that like we what Dave Asprey was making when we were talking to he's like nobody's natural all the stuff that we do all the stuff that we take in our doctors prescribed to us and medications that we have and a better a better question is is there an advantage yes there is an advantage to using exogenous hormones even testosterone replacement therapy which I'm on is an advantage because my testosterone replacement okay technically it's keeping it at what would be considered a high normal level even replacement is an advantage because my testosterone will never go down whether I lose my sleep whether I'm stressed or whatever because it's there exogenously versus natural testosterone which fluctuates heavily based on lifestyle so I could get away with a lot more in my lifestyle and not get suppressed testosterone so it's still an advantage is it a huge advantage probably not but is it is it an advantage yes it is next question is from Migo Devon I'm trying to train for a competition at my local gym where you have to rep your body weight on the bench and squat as many times as you can whoever has the most combined reps wins I'm not sure the best way to approach this okay so the the average person would think the best way to get ready for this is to rep out and continue to work out with your body weight and the bench and squat and I can see the rationale there but heavy strength training with low reps should definitely be part of the programming in fact Jack LaLaine he had a push-up and pull-up record that stood for I don't know 50 60 years maybe you could look it up does like a thousand I'd have a day of each of my week I'd have a day of five under right so like singles doubles triples up to five reps and then I'd have a day of am ramp higher yeah as many as I could of that thing so you're always challenging the strength and endurance yeah and then I'd have something in the middle right moderate intensity moderate reps in the middle that it would look anabolic as as far as like full body three times a week one day would be heavily focused on really really heavy weight one day a week would be the am ramp one day in the middle will be something like moderate intensity and then and then of course what our time frame is to get us ready for that but I think that would be one of the best ways to get there so at 42 Jack LaLaine did the record for push-ups by doing over a thousand of them in 23 minutes and at 45 he did a thousand jumping jacks and a thousand pull-ups in one hour in 22 minutes Jack LaLaine accredited heavy lifting to this feat he said they they asked him like what was your secret and you know you just do push-ups and pull-ups all the time he says no I did heavy bench presses and weighted pull-ups so it's definitely a combination and you have to now you're gonna have to adjust your intensity as you do this if you're training those movements three days a week one of them would be higher the other two would be lower intensity I would keep the heavy day lower intensity I would go five five sets of five reps and keep the intensity yes and it would be like a weight that I could probably do eight reps with and that's what I would pick for the five because you just want to you want the ability to generate that type of power and force like and that's really like you do have to incorporate strength because it is a strength feat but in order to extend that strength feat any of the endurance which is the reps that you're practicing and so like in terms of the amount of reps that you're doing on the other days like that's you know that's that's the work that you're trying to increase in terms of the amount of volume right right look if you like mind pump head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out some of our free fitness guides we have fitness guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal you can also find us on Instagram Justin is at mind pump Justin I'm at mind pump DeStefano and Adam is at mind pump Adam