 Unfortunately the off-season started a little bit earlier than we had intended to for Ravens fans But with the off-season comes a lot to talk about and we got a special guest on here to go over some information So let's get into it Like the Ravens I'm with y'all And great for lock you up and play football I'm a fanatic you see we got the magic and you and my boys are savage and open challenge and madden Let's go Making rage quit exit out the door Use favorite team with up all the more Don't get mad I think Hey, you know just what I mean You too, take it You see my boy. He like out of made it Well, that's my homie ain't that right in graven right in graven Shout out to graven So YouTube team keep it clean What's going on is in graven here with another video and like we talked about it is unfortunately the off-season For the baltimore ravens and it came unexpectedly for some of us But hey, we all got to deal with it as fans. That's part of being a fan of the game So as we have already we we talked plenty about the off-season the upcoming possible the possible upcoming moves that the ravens could do Some different strategies that they should take some things that they've already decided are going to happen in the future Based off of hardball and area the cost is where is it their press conferences? But we got somebody special guest on today To talk about the ravens with team keep it clean She is a former media editor for the baltimore ravens You all i'm sure have seen her everywhere if you got twitter if you've been thinking about getting twitter then you've seen her already on twitter Her handle is sg ellison Let's welcome sarah ellison to the show and the team keep it clean Welcome, what's what's up? Thanks for having me. This is gonna be fun. Oh, yeah, you already know I appreciate you coming on uh and joining us tonight for this segment this live stream You got me y'all excited with your opening music You know i'm sitting here backstage He's getting in the mood here I appreciate it. I appreciate it. So go ahead and let everybody know where you're from Um and where they can find you at it Yeah, like you said, um, i'm on twitter at uh sg ellison Like you said, I just you know, I worked for the ravens for 13 years And uh my my final year was actually a couple months after lemar was drafted So I was in the facility when he was drafted Uh, and I remember all the excitement around there and uh And so we ended up my family moved. We're in we're in afc north Enemy territory. We live in ohio now But you know as they say once a raven always a raven not letting that go So how did you end up uh linking up with the ravens? How did that happen in the first place? Yeah, so originally, um, well, I went to so I graduated from school. Um at b y u in utah And at the time brian billock was the head coach He also had gone to b y u and so he always liked the ravens pr staff Uh to take one look. This is a funny story. I'll be quick with it though So, uh, yeah, they got four they do far four pr interns during during training camp And he asked that one come from b yu. So what I did and I had never it never occurred to me that if I wasn't an Athlete that I could have a job in professional sports, you know I I kept out in high school and varsity varsity basketball. That was like, you know, that was where I tapped out Uh, anyway, so I I was two weeks away from graduating and I didn't know what I was going to do yet And I happened to be on the communications department Website and it had a listing for the both more ravens internship and I was like, oh man. Yeah, I love sports I didn't even just even think of it And luckily I had done some writing in sports for a while there Anyway, so I had applied to b yu first they filtered through the the um The resumes and then was going to send it out to baltimore So they originally called me and said we didn't choose you But good luck with the future endeavors and I was like, oh that that stinks But it was a dream for like two days, you know And uh, then they called back and they said hey baltimore asked for one more resume And we gave them yours and I was like good because all I need is an interview and I know I can do this And so I ended up getting it. It was solely supposed to be for the summer I ended up getting for the whole season. I did another internship and then I finally got on full time. So Um So kind of a miracle to get in there. It was it was I was very blessed No, that's pretty cool. You said 13 years 13 years I was there Wow, that's a long time. So you got to see a lot You got to see obviously the the last super bowl that they had Um, and you got to see a lot of the highs and the lows uh from the ravens I did and and let me just say this about the super bowl People always say the ravens are first-class organization And you would think oh well that that's mostly applies to the players because they're they're the they're the breadwinners, right? I uh ended up Having my third baby And I brought her home the day of the miracle at mile high So I was on maternity leave The ravens flew me and my entire family Down to new orleans. I still had my tickets my husband and I still went Uh, so we were all down there. I got the ring. They gave me a ring You know because I had been going the whole season long. I didn't she you know I didn't know that we were gonna be So I still got to participate in the super bowl even though as I'm maternity leave first-class organization all the way Oh, that's love right there. I thought only the players and the coaches got the rings I didn't know like media got it too. No, I I should yeah No, I've got it hidden away and uh, I don't have it up on my thing But maybe I should for shows but yeah once it's one of these times I'll have to it's the exact same ring as everybody else But it has my name on it instead of somebody else and then uh where the players have their numbers engraved on it I have to I have two footballs, but everything else is it's exactly the same Man, uh, yeah, I know that man. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So Let's get down to it. Let's do it. All right. Let's let's just start with the bills game Okay, what do you think was the biggest issue from the bills game? Oh Yeah, no, I mean the back breaker was the pick six, right? Um Which which you hate to say because you know the Ravens aren't there with Lamar Jackson So this isn't but I'm just trying to call it how it is Uh, the Ravens were about I mean They they could have been tied 10 10 they're in the they're in the third quarter Excellent opening drive coming out of the half Uh, so the back breaker was the pick six. So you have to say that Um for throughout the entire game, uh, you have to commend the Ravens for patching together an offensive line That just went through it. Okay with with Ronnie Stanley and and nick boyle going down. You already lost, uh, marshal yonda and You know, they patched something together But that offense the line was abused throughout that entire game was abused and so while Lamar It was what's ironic is the pick six came on one of the few plays Lamar actually only had five plays where he had ample time and space to throw in that game five Add two more add two more for huntley. So seven out of 41 drop backs Yeah, you you get a you get an idea of what's going on there. And so, um Fluker was abused Phillips was abused Powers was abused and had penalties that brought back, you know, that big 18 yard scramble from from Lamar And mccary with the snaps all obviously is what ended up leading to the concussion. So the the offensive line was absolutely abused um And so, you know, so I think those were there was the combination of those two things Because the defense was outstanding. Are you kidding me? Were you you held the bills? Who maybe outside of the chiefs just ridiculous scoring at will? I mean, I think they did outscore the chiefs throughout the season just scoring at will so the defense came to play and then Um, and then I I still think it's youth. I still think it's youth. I still think, you know, a lot of people Will look at 2020 compared to 2019 and in the regular season It of course was a regression in terms of stats and wins and all of that But the ravens did improve And that's kind of what you want to see in the playoffs They did win a playoff game and they did avenge their playoff loss to the titans So so let's not pretend here that the ravens Are far out of this Okay, let's not pretend that if not for a pick six, who knows what where that that game's going Okay, because the defense was playing like lights out. I don't know that they would have I don't know what would have happened if that if they get it They get that touchdown instead of a pick six. We don't we don't know what we never will know But I do know that the ravens are in the thick of the a of c Everybody is looking up to the chiefs. So that's the goal of this off season. I don't you know I know that they lost the bills, but the bills are not out of the ravens league. Okay Nobody's out of the ravens league If you have an argument it's the chiefs Okay, so that's what the off season is about How do we get better at who we are in order to overcome the chiefs That's it. That's everybody's goal in the a of c right now That's that's just the way it's got to be and that's what you got to think about during this off season That's true, but who the ravens are we know they are Primarily focused on the run. That's their bread and butter. That's what they do But can't who the ravens are can it possibly be better than who the chiefs are Because the ravens they are like yeah pretty much the best at what they do They're pretty much the best at the running game But the chiefs are pretty much the best at the passing game So do you think the ravens can do what they do and beat the chiefs with that? Okay, let me put it this way Nobody in the NFL I guess we'll find out maybe the Tampa Bay Bucks can we'll see because it's it's the big goat and the and the baby goat Right, so we'll see what happens there So I'll hold off on saying nobody in the NFL 20 30 other teams in the NFL. Okay, all of them. None of them are going to out chief the chiefs None of them I do not care The bills outscored the chiefs throughout the season went went to a whole other level. He had a phenomenal season He got his number one receiver They're sitting at home right now, too They're sitting at home right now. Nobody's gonna out chief the chiefs So when I hear the ravens in the in there in both john harbaugh's and eric to costas Uh season ending pressers, right? I'm on twitter. I know what a lot of people are thinking Okay, this isn't gonna work. This isn't gonna work. This isn't gonna work They need to blow it up. They need they need to change who they are My response to that is absolutely not that is a panic move That is a panic move and not only is that a panic move now, hold on That doesn't mean that there can't be improvements and I'll get to that. We'll get to that That's a panic move. That's a move that a losing organization does that says after two years of Going down one philosophy whether it's a head coach two years. You cut him out You get a franchise quarterback one or two years. You cut him out What does that say about you and the plan that you put together if you're cut and bait after one or two years Okay, we have two full seasons under lamar jackson And heading into the 2019 season people mocked john harbaugh for saying that he was going to put together An offense that was going to be revolutionary And then he went out and broke rushing records that had been held for 43 years Okay, and he did it with the quarterback that people said can't play quarterback in the nfl Okay, so So you're telling me that they get a pick six that changes in the in the divisional championship And all of a sudden they should they should forget who they are They should they should scrap this revolutionary offense that is you know Again statistically regressed and there's reasons for that But but no no, I don't want to be a cheap knockoff of the chiefs I'm not being a cheap knockoff We all know that that's not going to happen by next year under the salary cap that we got anyway So even if the ravens wanted to change their identity, that's not happening with What he's going to have like 15 million dollars That's also not happening This is another thing lamar jackson to me People want to become I get it. We want to improve the passing game and you and I will we'll talk about how to improve it, right? Okay, so so i'm not saying that they don't have to improve it But to me it's just as bad To try to make lamar jackson into this pure pocket passer. It's just as bad to do that as it is to call him a running back He's lamar He's one of one And now you want to water him down and make him like every other quarterback out there minus Patrick mahomes You want to you want to like cut out his special abilities the abilities that make defenses You know up late at night trying to figure out how to stop them And so yes, they have to figure out a way to translate that to the playoffs Yes, they they need to do that and they will they took a step They took a step by avenging their loss to to the titans The ravens are not far off no way is it time to panic and change who they are Which does not only as an offense, but that defense feeds off of that offense So so no i love that the ravens aren't aren't buckling under pressure They never have as an organization and i'm sure it's that glad they're not going to do it now so with um With greg roman Yeah, I was somebody that felt that the ravens should have went in a different direction I felt like they should have moved on from greg roman with greg roman You you know what you have in greg roman. What are your expectations for greg roman in this offense because Every year with greg roman with the bills the 49ers and now the ravens too Russian offense always at the top But passing offense is always at the bottom and and we know not that you need to just completely flip the script but that there needs to be more Not even efficiency because a passing game it can be efficient But it just needs to be more from the passing game because there needs to be more balance Because when one is taken away then If you can't do the other and or you can't do it successfully or continuously Then that's a big problem and and the way my biggest thing right now with the ravens is Not that they've lost in the playoffs the past three years But it's when they've lost and how they've lost now 2018 that was under marty greg roman. I think he was just the uh the run game coordinator I believe the assistant head coach at the time um but that game It just they went what seven and one in the regular season under lemar And yes, and that was great. But then in the playoffs They had a plan a they stuck with plan a plan a wasn't working through three and a half quarters Then all of a sudden in the fourth quarter they went to plan b and they opened it up so for me That looked like coaching Obviously lemar was very inexperienced But the coaching they they didn't put him in the best position to succeed and then last year Last year was even a an even bigger head scratcher because last year they obviously go 14 and 2 Went 12 games in a row like you said broke 50 million records last year in the run game. It was great. All of us ravens fans We were partying celebrating and I remember um after the regular season ended I was talking to my aunt and my uncle who live up in ball because I live in miami But they live up in baltimore and and I was talking to them. I was like, hey Y'all coming down for the super bowl or what? They were looking up tickets and whatnot because I really thought like, okay We got it. We because they were coasting even in that week 17 rg3 With with a bunch of backs up backups and they were still coasting and pissberg was a really good defense last year too Well, two years ago of me and even last year as well, but Went 14 and 2 get to the playoffs and Completely flipped the script What a lemar throw 59 times and with the run game I was expecting I knew mark england wasn't fully recovered because he had his his calf injury. I believe I knew he wasn't fully recovered. We all knew he wasn't fully recovered. So I expected. Okay Mark england's hurt. It's it's gonna be gust time It is for sure. It's gonna be gust at was time. Let's go gust of bus Let's do it But we only saw him was three times and they only ran a total of nine times between the running backs And one of those running backs was hurt. So again, they and not that it's all coachings fault But a big part of it for me was coaching because again They completely flipped the script and they were like, oh, you know what X out the running game Let's just throw this ball all over these Titans and then This season they take care of Titans. Like you said, they did take a step forward They made a step forward and that was huge then finally getting that first playoff when uh since lemar has been a starting quarterback But then in that bills game. Yeah, that it was just it was a lot of messes Your offensive line was bad throughout and and they were like Always talk about and I'm sure you've heard the same before too It's a game of inches because it is because Literally and then that's that's literally and figure figure figuratively too. Can't even talk but um when when it's figurative That shows how close and how every play means that much more So like you talked about the pick six, that was a huge game changer, which it was huge game changer But literally like you said the play before when lemar you said what he had only had five plays Where he had five plays we had ample time and space. Yep But the the play before Where the offensive line didn't block so well Uh hollywood slant across the middle wide open for a touchdown wide open phillips and dobbins missing the block Yeah, double whammy on the same play double whammy um So it's just but Back to what I was saying. I just feel like Yeah, that did happen dobbins had a couple of drops lemar had sometimes when he just he doesn't take What's right there? But I I feel like coaching is almost holding him back Because it's like and it seems like when we watch the offense a lot of us at home We'll be sitting back watching Relax and watching it on our TVs and whatnot Even if you go to the actual games and we'll be like, oh, this is what they get ready to do And they do it and and not to say that every single play that they do Should be some surprise or not to say that every single play that they do should be some oh wow play anything like that but We we keep seeing and getting the the same old stuff And I'm wondering how confident are you in this team? In this coaching moving for offensive coaching moving forward this season because for me My expectations I feel like they can get better, but will they get better? I'm just not I'm not so that they will get better because Of history and I know history is always meant to be broken, but Under Greg Roman like we talked about those offenses Higher higher in russian, but low in passing. So how confident are you in this offense to take another step forward? Man, I feel like I've got so many different angles. I want to go with this Take a moment. All right. Well, let's let me just say this with with greg romans With greg romans record, okay Um, I hear what you're saying. I don't and I hear what fans are saying. I don't want to Act as if he's above criticism. He's not and I think that um, you know the whole, um Kurt Warner video has merit to it. Okay has merit to it, right? Yeah, at the same time if you put together You know nine bad plays of lamar jackson in the game You could make him look pretty bad too if you wanted to you know, I mean like you could do that with literally any player Like unless they're having like Like beyond like blow your mind performance Like you could literally do that and take like nine plays to try to thread together A narrative you could do that. That's not to completely undercut what Kurt Warner did because Or what he said because I do think That the passing schemes are not complex, but but let me come back to that. Okay. Okay, so so Let me ask you this Just quick wait. I want to get a gauge of where you're at with lamar Not as an excuse, but do you think it's fair to point out with lamar taking a slight step back statistically? Do you think it's fair to point out? The offensive line Problems that there were last year. Do you think it's fair to point that out for lamar? Yeah, okay. I do. Do you think it's fair to point out for lamar? That his wide receiving personnel Is not close To any playoff team Or even a lot of teams that didn't make the playoffs Would you would you say that's fair to point out if you were if you were trying to save for lamar that he Took a step back. Would you would you point that out for that? Yes, but it was pretty much It was pretty much the same last year too, but so yeah Yes, I mean, I mean that you lose Hayden hearse, but but I digress what I do believe that's protection is My question is those questions Is that if it's fair to point those out for lamar? It should also be fair to point them out for the play caller who's designing plays He's handicapped He lost Greg roman also lost marshal yana Greg roman also lost Hayden hearse Greg roman also lost nick boyle. Greg roman also lost Stanley So I it's so to me if you're gonna do that for lamar You got to do it for the play caller and play designer and and roman Evolved a lot You know he became a much more last last season the ravens run game was bully ball When they had boyle, they had rickard. They had stanley. They had colando brown jr. In there. They have yonda It's bully ball. He couldn't play bully ball this year He spread it out more. He did he stretched defenses more Um horizontally. Okay. He he did adjust Okay, so when I look at the passing schemes and I look at his offense I at least say Well, if that hampered lamar it probably hampered roman too I think it's fair to point that out. Okay Now in terms of in terms of his whole coaching coaching career Like my man went to the orange bowl with andrew lukin college This guy went to the nsc championship three times With capernick. He went to the super bowl. He went over to the bills and gave tyrod taylor his best years in the nfl Okay, and then he comes here and he helps lamar win an mvp Okay, these things the way people talk about greg roman again. He's not above criticism But people also talk about him like he's a bozo Honestly, like like how could he even be there in the first place? Like like come on man. Like he he helped them get to three playoff appearances also And the question for all of them is can they translate it to the playoffs? And I think they can and yes, I think Greg roman can get them to the super bowl. I honestly do think that now Obviously the the chiefs will get in the way first. So let me realize that I honestly think he can get them to the chiefs Okay Now what both lamar and greg roman need in my opinion is a number one exactly what the raven said Much better pass protection Much better. So at the very least let's snap the ball to lamar Okay, we can be on the same page there So so because it was not greg roman who snapped the ball over lamar's head It was not greg roman that through the pig six It was not greg roman who who didn't pick up those blocks and didn't allow lamar to to throw it to Hollywood wide open that was not greg roman. So I did not put this loss on greg roman Now it's easy to be like, oh, they stalled out in the divisional round again and try to thread that into a narrative But that loss was not on greg roman. So i'm not buying that narrative. I'm not buying that continued threat I'm just not doing it because that loss was not on greg roman on against the bills. So so Listen, they 100% need a complimentary wide receiver piece to to to hollywood brown. They need an off physical Wide receiver that lamar jackson clearly trusts it is clear his data made that he does not trust myles boykin And I love myles boykin and I loved his blocking and I'm not giving up on him He deserves to develop more just like sometimes we'll see Tyus bowser who finally it clicked for him in his fourth year Let's allow that to happen with the wide receivers like we let it happen with outside line backers or some other position So i'm not giving up on myles boykin, but i'm not putting on my legs in that basket either Okay, let's get a receiver that lamar clearly trusts and I think Eric to costa will do that I I think he will do that I think the ravens They need to get either at the center position or the right guard position the next pro bowl offensive lineman in the interior I want it to be at center And and I think that will do wonders for lamar jackson And then finally I want the ravens To take a very critical hard look at the passing schemes now remember I do think that just like lamar was limited with his receivers I think that greg roman was limited in it also in addition with with the pass protection So I believe if you get another pass catching tight end Get get a a physical tough possession type receiver Get yourself The next long-term offensive lineman. I wanted to be through the draft um And I think we're talking a whole different ball game and I do think that if those pieces are in place And they don't come up close again them I'm ready to talk about moving on from from greg roman and not because he's an idiot head coach But maybe he's hit a ceiling But but I don't think this season was on on greg roman at all I just don't do it. I'm not doing it and I and I but I agree this past schemes can get more complex with those improvements And I think another thing that uh a lot of us would hope for to uh moving forward Is the involvement of different guys because we all knew hollywood was going to get his and he did Mark andrew is going to get his and he did and of course anybody who runs the ball They're going to get theirs in this scheme but Guys like devin duvenay. I know he was a rookie. Um, but devin duvenay first. He was primarily a kick returner but then when When pro shea, uh when pro shea, they start having him inactive Duvenay will to punt return. Um, but whenever he's on offense Usually with duvenay. It's a jet sweep Okay, duvenay Duvenay was a jet sweep king. That's it. That's what I called him this year And it was just it was so frustrating because i'm like, man, you could be throwing this guy's screen and that that's another thing too I would say it like with the ravens. I would see them run One screen a month. It was like that was their quota. They were running one screen a month once they ran it Okay, that's it. We won't see another screen for another month But I just feel like it's so many different like simple things that they could They could uh implement into the offense that could really take it to another level It doesn't even have to be anything crazy. But just getting different guys involved So that would be a duvenay that would be approach a and and I know that With ravens receivers is it's tough because their receivers aren't heavily involved in the passing game like that It's not like everybody's eating all the time. Uh, and then you gotta go down the pecking order. It was, uh, Really sneed. It was hollywood. Um, boicking a little bit, but hollywood, willy sneed, mark andrews. Those are like the top guys Boicking every now and then. Um, and dais brian was just pretty much there. I feel like dais brian He wasn't even really used and I'm sure you've seen all the uh, the instagram posts and all that going on with dais brian, right? That's been very interesting. Um, I can share some thoughts on that. We'll get to dais in a minute. Okay um, but I just I just feel like That When they start really like using everybody then that's when this offense can take another step And I feel like it started to do that When hollywood sent his tweet And maybe it was just coincidental, but when hollywood sent the infamous soldier tweet After that lamar really started spreading that ball out And I'm like, oh this dude is really getting a lot of different people involved in the passing game And then another thing uh, because again, like greg romer wasn't all bad In the office wasn't all bad, but one thing that I really appreciated from them this year It happened to towards the uh, the second half of the season is that they got Gus edwards involved in a passing game That I loved it didn't happen too often, but I didn't know where those hands came from man I was like, I didn't know gus could do that. Okay. Let's go with gus edwards that I that I really um When when they when they signed mark ingram, I wasn't all happy about it I love mark ingram as a player when he was with the saints, but when they signed him to the ravens I was like, uh, okay. You signing mark ingram for what like you have that in gus edwards physical running back But I would what I said when they first signed mark ingram I was like, well You have that in gus edwards But you the only thing that you don't have in gus edwards because y'all don't have him do that is catching the ball But I saw that uh, I'm glad mark ingram proved me all the way wrong So he was worth it. And it was a super cheap deal. I think three years 15 million five mil per So they got him at a bargain, especially when he's running backs with the contracts are crazy um, but with uh With mark ingram he proved to he was really nice for us that first year Really nice. Um, what do you have like 11 touchdowns? I think and like 1100 yards something like that But he had a really good season first year made a huge impact Both on and off the field that veteran leadership was super important because that goes a long way and and I think I really didn't appreciate a veteran leadership Until ray Lewis retired and ed reed left because I felt like I felt like it was something that was overrated But when those guys left I was like, oh, okay. I I get it now. That's what veteran leadership is for um but with um with gus edwards It was good, but and they they got him involved So I look forward to seeing him in the future continue to get more involved in the run game I mean, excuse me in the pass game because he's obviously involved in the run game Um, but I just want to see them use Whoever they get and whoever they have to because you could get the best of the best You can get the best receive in the league You can go get it all around. I don't expect it But yeah, you can go get it all around. But if you don't use him Then it's no use Like literally no use. Yeah Literally now. I agree with that. I I do wonder man, I gotta tell you of Listen, it would never be good to have a covid year where you're canceling the entire off season But of all the Spots that I think it hurt the ravens the most is where are they the youngest? They decided to go all in with a young receiving corps. How many times do they keep going out and get like these, uh, You know 34 33 35 year old receivers who already know what they're doing and finally eric was like nope We're gonna go with younger guys. We're gonna develop them. We're gonna like you start doing this So the year that you draft two young rookies following a draft that you draft Following a year where you draft two other young rookies where you have this, you know, young quarterback Like of all the places where it's gonna hurt you the most not having an off season Is already the passing game then you compound that with all this youth Inside the passing game, you know what I mean? So like You know, I do think that that probably hurt their development And I but even regardless of that I do think I would have I all every week I was like I want to see more of devon duverna. You know, I do agree with that Now in terms of dez um Or or miles or some others um Okay, so first of all and I know you see this is When I when you look at the throws that lemar makes you are you rarely criticizing for the bad throws He makes and that's silly to say when I just said the season ended on the pick six, right? But how many times that'll happen? He was 47 and zero in the red zone prior to that So so we're talking about in his nfl career. You're not usually Criticizing for the bad throws he makes what's become more apparent are the good throws He doesn't make when they're open. So there were times where dez was open And lemar didn't throw it to him. There were times willy snead was open and lemar didn't throw it to him So so I think that goes both on roman and lemar And and again, it comes back to a trust factor factor Why isn't why is lemar gonna throw it into andrew's with three guys on him? but he's not gonna throw it to boykin or dez or Snead when they're Like this, you know, like here I am. So so sometimes, you know, it's it's sometimes I felt like that was on lemar But in in the case of duvernay, I think that is on on roman um, but but also in in in the case of dez, you know, I Listen, I I love that signing in the sense that I think as soon as he came receivers started stepping up more I felt like it was like Oh boy, like that's a sign of Not so much confidence in us. So we better step it up. Okay And I also want to commend commend des brian. I love people who grind Who grind and this man he did not he went on the practice squad Okay, the hunger that he had to be back in this game when there's some people in the game that just like Don't appreciate it. You know to see that hunger. I was inspired by des. Okay. I was inspired by des I think that he helped the receiving core get better at the same time 30 other 31 other teams Didn't sign him for a reason And the ravens were kind of desperate And so they signed him and he did give a little jolt to that receiving core But let's not pretend like to me I'm not gonna I'm not pounding on the table to see him more like what did the ravens use him more The same way he's a 31 other teams didn't sign him and you know why he's putting those those those Um videos up on instagram. I don't blame him. I would want to do it. He's still hungry to play Good for you des show people your best plays If I went and brought and I was practicing for six weeks I hope he's gonna come up with at least six plays that are phenomenal in practice You know what I'm saying with all those reps But but I'm not gonna pretend that like At least I'm not pounding the table that they mismanaged that situation. I think the ravens were desperate for wide receiver help I think he jolted him a little bit But I don't think he was gonna be the savior and I and the reason why I not only think that is because when he was out there Lamar didn't always throw it to him Hmm No with those um instagram post it actually would a couple of things with dis brine um Yeah, I I I I I wondered that because when they first signed him I was like, okay I didn't expect much from initially. I didn't even expect it to China. Um, I remember Back in I think was a training camp or right before preseason. I think theirs came in For before the season started he came in for like a workout Um, and I was telling people they they're not gonna sign it and they didn't sign but then Right before the buy week he came back in again and then that's when his wide receiver coach was like, hey Um, that's when they they showed the interview with him talking to the radio station He was like, oh, yeah, ravens told theirs stay in shape. We're gonna call you back So they obviously called him back. He joined the squad and literally joined the squad because he was on the practice squad, but he um I just I didn't expect any much from him from the jump But I expected as time went on especially with this being The veteran guy like this is a guy who's been there done that he's been the number one before He knows what it's like to fight for that ball. Hey Lamar Jackson the 50-50 balls That's something that he needs to incorporate in his game a lot more because that could take it to another level Because that's one thing I feel like with Lamar that he I know you talked about trust And and I feel like it's it's not big trust when it comes to all of his receivers That's the truth. Yeah, because he What he's very careful with the ball And I've noticed this ever since his rookie year. He does not take many chances Uh football Um, and I feel like it is a risk But it's a risk as a quarterback. Hey, you got to be willing to put it out there And you better hope your receiver goes and gets it. Um But with dad's brian back to him I just felt like he was gonna be a lot more involved In the offense than he was not that he's gonna come in and put up put up like four or five hundred yards Anything like that. But I just felt like he was going to be more consistently in the offense as time went on But let me ask you something. What what did you see? That made you change your expectations from First of all, they're not even gonna sign him and then once they did you're like, ah, I'm not expecting much And then all of a sudden you're here in the postseason being like, why didn't they use them? Like what changed to make you go from they're not going to sign him to why didn't they use him more? uh thinking about his resume And also seeing him when he did get some passes. Um, just just seeing his energy Both on the field and off the field. Um, seeing his uh that veteran presence because he reminded me of His impact his biggest impact to me wasn't even on the field this year His biggest impact off the field like I said in the receiver room And I've been saying the same thing too ever since they they brought in theirs All the receivers stepped it up all of them stepped um, but with theirs brian, I just I I know I knew what he had done and before I thought okay, he probably gonna be out of shape or something gonna be all that He's barely barely uh, even healthy or whatnot. I ain't worried about this brian Hopefully it could contribute, but if he doesn't okay But when he got on that field and and I what I think it was against the was against the coach of the tight I think it was a Titans game. Yeah when he was going back and forth with Malcolm Butler. Um Yeah, that I was like, okay They still got a little something in them and then there was there was a play where He called a pass and he made I'm not sure if it was Malcolm Butler Whoever it was or dory jackson, whatever cornerback he was he made somebody missing He got a lot of yards after the catch and I was like, whoa, okay Let's go to this And and I think a lot of us were just super hyped just because it was there's brian It was like, whoa ravens got a guy like this brian on the team even though he's not the guy that he once was That's what ravens usually do they usually go after the guys who aren't what they used to be but still got a little in the tank But I just I thought that we would continue to see more of that Um, especially in the red zone too, but this was also something that I thought would would happen with Miles Boykin this season I thought I'm like artist off season Miles Boykin six foot five six four six five Oh, you got to incorporate that fair out the jump ball in the back of the end zone. Oh, let's go That's what Miles Boykin is perfect for big zone receiver and then Lamar The the whole no touch. I mean no interceptions in the red zone. So Lamar is gonna put it where it needs to be He's not gonna put it all in arms way So Miles Boykin gonna have plenty of opportunities and whatnot because if hollywood gets all those touchdowns in the red zone And he's like five foot five five six then for Boykin. Oh, it should be a cake walk But we didn't see that either. So it was just I just expected more involvement. Um for him to be incorporated more both Boykin day is Especially with those jump balls But I I think that is something that That is on Lamar for not throwing them. Um, and it's just on him for not incorporating them too Another thing too is the uh the comeback route The comeback I I remember seeing one of those in the end zone all season long And that was in week one of Miles Boykin in the Browns game Miles Boykin ran a comeback route. He ran about maybe like eight nine yards Stopped turn around came back for Lamar through it and initially I had thought that Lamar through it short. I know some people were saying that Miles Boykin turned around too late So I'm not sure exactly what it was, but After that never saw the comeback route again in the end zone. Yeah never saw it again. So I just it With back to the day as Brian to the instagram post one thing that one thing that he said in there Was that He's tired of hearing people say that Lamar Jackson can't throw when he's not given the opportunity to Very interesting because normally when you hear about opportunity when it comes to a football player You think of somebody who's on the bench somebody who's a backup somebody who may be third string Somebody who may be practice squad and them not getting playing time But Lamar Jackson is obviously none of those things so with there's Brian saying that I'm like, oh, but that's got to be coaching them if they really not letting him throw the ball like that And that's another one of the reasons that I just feel like this this coaching was like sort of holding him back And letting him loose So we did in college. We know what he did in college We know he's capable of and and not saying that you have to change him completely because like you said He is one of one. I ain't nobody like Lamar Jackson And this dude is he's insane. I hate when people say Vic 2.0 because he's not Vic. No No, he's big but um He's Lamar Jackson and there's there's nobody who does what he does Uh, but at the same time I feel like a lot of times we will watch this offense and they would rely more on his athleticism Than his arm and I feel like and not that well that is it's like a good and bad thing But it was just in balance. That's that's the biggest thing goes in balance So and I think that's what ended up Just catching up with him in a long run. Um, not even necessarily in the bills game But we we saw it throughout the season a lot of times when it was just okay Lamar's athleticism Lamar's athleticism Lamar's athleticism But it wouldn't really go beyond that uh with his arm So Okay, I want to touch on two things just to outline him you had talked about uh Des talking about opportunities and then balance. So either one of them. I'll I'll start I'll start with um opportunities so This one, you know, I have a hard time on there's clearly Hollywood says as you said the infamous soldier Tweet He clearly wanted to be used more and maybe he wasn't just referring to himself Maybe some other receivers and then you got Des Bryant saying Lamar needs more opportunities so I kind of expect that from wide receivers to me the way des says that It kind of popped up in my mind. I'm like, that's kind of a like a roundabout way saying like I'm a receiver. Let's throw the ball more. Do you know what I mean? Like I Don't know that that's a completely. What's the word I'm looking for? um a completely selfless comment I'll just put it that way that it was completely only for Lamar And nothing about him. Does that make sense? Like, of course, of course he wants Lamar to have more opportunities because then that'll probably give des some more opportunity so So I'm not I don't know that I totally buy That it's that it's that because then you if you want to put a bunch of stock into like wide receiver comments Willie Snead comes up and he's like Lamar's got to work on You know throwing in zone zone defenses and you know, I just think that wide receivers did want more and um And I don't blame them. I want my wide receivers to want more Okay, but the reason why I don't totally buy in that they're Ravens or I just feel like it's it's it's knee-jerk reaction What happened you just outlined it what happened after the Titans game? What was the criticism of greg roman that he didn't run enough? And that wasn't just in the that wasn't just in the Titans game They felt like he had banded he had abandoned the run, you know other times outside of that and so And so and then and tell me if you picked up on the same trend the the ravens will never admit to this But I really do think for the first half of the season Before Lamar went out for covet Okay, we all I think we all saw it how many times we like Lamar Nobody's open. There's a lane for you to run Run like you got you got 20 yards right there 15 yards or whatever And time and time and time again. He didn't take it in the first half of the season I Really do think that Lamar and greg roman and everybody in the ravens were trying to develop the passing game I really believe that and guess what the passing game stunk like Terrible They were they weren't doing anything the ravens were nearly knocked out of the playoffs And it's kind of funny to me that like, you know Lamar goes Um into covet and then the ravens lose again to pittsburgh and now they literally cannot lose again Or they're out of the playoffs And what do you know? Lamar starts running more He starts taking off more even times or maybe he didn't have to he could have like gotten the open receiver But everybody saw it lamar. What happened to you when you were on covet? Oh, well, I just got more of a hunger for the game. No, you didn't lamar is always hungry Don't give me that They're back for against the wall the passing game wasn't working. So they're like, we're screw it Screw it. We'll try this again in the off season. We'll try to get better personnel We'll get back to it. But right now we don't have the patience anymore Forget that when the passing is there take it Otherwise lamar go do lamar things and you know what he won game after game after game after game And saved their season and got him into the playoffs The ravens in my view What was Trying to develop the passing scheme. It wasn't working They had to throw it out the window and don't give me this. Oh, I just re-found my love for football Lamar is more hungry than anybody is There's nobody more hungry than ray louis that I worked with but lamar is right there He's not as loud. He's not as vocal I don't think anybody is Hungry, you know, I really do think they were trying to develop the passing game. Okay. So that brings me to balance, right? Okay I agree if we have the same definition Okay What does balance mean? to me balance does not mean Equal attempts equal passing attempts and um Running rushing attempts And I I'm gonna steal this word. I watched the video with um j. T. Sullivan this week. Am I am I saying his name right quarterback school? Okay So the word he used was he goes. I hate the word balance He's like the word I want to use is harmony Oh Okay Because and that's why when the ravens come out and say and the fans hate this they come out and say in the Uh post season pressers We're gonna stick to our identity as a run first offense, right and you're asking me. Does that work? Okay Run first does not mean one dimensional Now the ravens were one dimensional this season even though in my view They tried not to be in the first half and they had to throw it out the window because it was making them lose games Okay, and so To me that's not their identity. That's not who they want to be They want to be run first meaning the run game Creates the harmony With the passing game whereas most teams it's opposite Okay, so when people come to me they're like no no no sarah. It's attempts attempts attempts Well, if and and there's truth to some of this, right? So you say well if you get more reps You're only gonna get better. I think there's truth to that but that's not like an eternal truth That's not like a A set in stone truth because if it was and I'm gonna say something obvious If all it needed was more attempts then everybody would just pass all the time then they voila become better Okay, so what I'm getting at is it's you want to have balance in your Efficiency and that's why I hate it when people throw at me yards and attempts and you know That stuff is important, but they're not predictors of winning They don't if you if you were an analyst and I'm not deep into this I don't want to pretend that I'm a big numbers girl, but I do dabble sometimes Okay, but if you look at it, you know look how many yards passing yards limar put up against the titans the playoffs game It didn't translate to a win So I'm not going to keep attempting passing If I don't see my quarterback trusting his receivers and we're losing games when I could be running And gain, you know seven eight yards, whatever and and keep going and I'm actually Controlling the clock and I'm actually sustaining drives and now look now I'm actually scoring drives and now we're winning So you can't just say give more attempts to the passing game because at up to what expense At what expense you can run the ball at will so why if I have these lanes that are opening up And I can get seven eight nine yards running in this game I'm not going to not do that just because I need to give more attempts in the name of attempts You know what I mean? So like it's it's harmony and unfortunately the passing game Just wasn't doing anything on its end in 2019 dvoa is what you know, as you know this measures efficiency, right? And that's a much better predictor of wins a much better predictor of wins and it explains wins Ravens were not only number one in rush dvoa in 2019. They were number one in pasty dvoa Such an underrated stat is that the passing game fell to number 17 in past dvoa. You can't have that I don't know that the ravens will get back to number one past dvoa But I think they can get back to number in the top five maybe even the top Maybe maybe the top 10, but I think they can do top five. Lamar is just that efficient And so I'm not worried about I'm not after the game being like, okay. What did what did greg romand do? He's got 15, you know passes in like 25 rushes. I don't care about that. How efficient were they? That's what your court your your your your coordinators looking at and like I said up to a certain point You've got to keep trying to pass anyway And I think they did that in the first half of the game It was so terribly inefficient that they had to cut bait on it So so when you talk about opportunities, well does didn't get there until all of that was going down It was backs are against the wall We got to do whatever we can to win and then we'll we'll get back to this passing game And that stinks because you need it for the playoffs But you weren't going to get to the playoffs if you didn't if you didn't have lamar running more Okay But so why why do you think that um come playoff time That's when a lot of ravens biggest issues get they seem to get magnified Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well, um I think that There's different reasons for for the different playoff games And and it's so nice to put together a nice narrative But I do think the coaching failed in that chargers game. They played them Uh a couple weeks beforehand and didn't change anything up. Um, and but to be nice to um Uh, he already said his name. Why am I afraid? I'm worried. I mean he did have a rookie that had like seven starts in his life. So I mean Lamar lamar was you know, not at his best either But I would put it more on on coaching in that one in in The titans game I think that there are a couple plays here and there that roman could have, um Run it instead of passing it But I think the story of that game was derrick henry and the ravens front seven I think that's why they lost that game They the the titans beat the ravens at ravens ball They let the titans controlled the clock and and and I think that The game plan that they had this year against the titans they had last year but without the front seven And so and so I think it was the right game playing because it worked this time But derrick henry henry just took the game away from there was nothing The defense was doing to stop them and so at some point greg roman did have to start throwing Maybe he did it a little bit early, but it wasn't as bad as it makes it and then in the bill's game again It's a different reason it like the the offensive line got abused because it had been torn apart And lamar jackson threw pick six That's it So it's a different reason for each one and it'd be nice Like and I know other fans are coming at our fans on twitter and everywhere a lot And you guys stink in the playoffs and lamar's not gonna cut it But why are we feeding into that? We feed into that when we accept that is truth that ain't truth Why why are we accepting that as the premise? That's not that's not how it worked Lamar's not the reason for every loss greg roman's not the reason for every loss It was different reasons every time and you and and you do the the ravens Better justice if you and analyze it more like that rather than just feeding into a narrative that's out there Okay, understood understood All right, cool. So So we we are here One and three in the playoffs We're sitting at home getting ready to watch the chiefs play the uh bucks in about a weekend change um What's next for the ravens? What what do you think right here right now? Is there their biggest need? Moving forward right now Biggest need is pass protection Uh and it'll already help that that ronnie will be back and orlando brown goes over there bozeman has been Was he a six round pick so good his bowling his bowling moves love him I would like to see Powers may win it, but I'd like to see another competition at right guard Let's make sure we and we can put philips back in there again He didn't have an offseason then he got thrown back into right tackle. I mean he had an injury So i'm there for a competition. I think that that's good I have heard different ways of addressing center, but I like it's really admirable that the ravens have found three different undrafted of centers from scurra to um Tristan Yeah, and um McCarrie mccarrie. There we go mccarrie And that's great. I love any of the well scurra is not going to return because he's he's a free agent But I love either even though either of those guys's backups But i'm not going into the season with with them is like my number one center Let's stabilize the interior of that line I'd like to see a highly drafted center and I know you can also find them late whatever erector cost I trust him on on offensive lineman that dude is like Every like all the time getting offensive lineman or land around jr. Is the third rounder I mean marshal yana was the third rounder grubs was no grubs was the first rounder But I trust that he can find them wherever in the draft. I'd prefer that some people are asking Hey, let's go find maybe a cheap cap casualty that there will be cap casualties So you can see another network, you know, I mean That's fine. That's fine But I'd prefer to draft a probable center of the future to be with be with lemar So that's my number one Um Because I I don't know what's gonna happen to our outside linebacker Right now. It's a massive need Uh, I don't I don't know they're could they could lose all three of bowser judon And um yannick they may keep one even if they keep one. That's obviously gonna be a big need I think uh, I've said this before I think a physical with swagger Bring that dez Bryant swagger in a slightly younger body But not not too young because I'm not looking for another rookie We got lots of young ride receivers. Bring me a physical swagger receiver Um, again, I think that could be a cap casualty that nobody's even thinking of right now. Um Another pass catching tight end Yeah, um Some depth at safety some depth at tackle, but as I said center offensive lineman um veteran wide receiver and another pass catch and fed end Yeah, I think you can't even on it on a tighten budget because the ravens While they only have about 15 million which is not a lot and there are teams with a lot more So somebody could come and like bid for alan robinson the ravens aren't going to be able There's enough teams with a lot of money that they can they can go and like throw all this money at these big names But there's going to be a ton of opportunity behind that because the ravens have There's 20 teams that have a worse cap situation than the ravens. Okay, so there are those those 12 that have better But there's going to be 20 that have worse and you know eric He's going to be working it and I think there's going to be maybe some cap casualties that we're going to be like Oh, I don't know he was going to be there and you get a nice deal out of it So that's kind of where I see him picking through to get a a receiver Yeah for for receiver. I would love alan robinson to come I think he would be exactly what the ravens need But I just I think it's like a 0.05 chance that it happens I just I don't think it's happening at all because ravens they they don't they that's not what they invest in They don't invest in receivers in their prime like that. They um, and that's one thing I know that's one thing that you uh, you tweeted the other day about the ravens speaker speaking of offense That they have the the least investment in their office. They have the cheapest often Because lamar obviously still on his rookie deal um pretty much Lorelander browns on his rookie deal ravens have been drafting Kind of amazingly the last three years Really really good Especially on offense Sorry, I interrupted you. No. No. No. You're good. I don't mind at all. Um but even besides that That that there's been a history with the ravens to where They go above and beyond when it comes to defense And they like if they miss on somebody in defense, they'll even circle back around again and try to go get that person Like they did with yuniki and gakue um, but on offense It seems to be like, ah We tried we didn't get it like with the andre hop. Oh that that one hurt me so bad I remember when i knew this first came out I almost cried because the andre hopkins. That's my favorite receive. I think he's the best receiver in the game I was like, wow a davante adams could fight for that now, but I was like man the andre. Oh man but um and we heard about the conversation about uh From the vikings adam thielen heard about that too but um That was pretty much it and i'm sure there could have been some stuff going on behind the scenes that we didn't hear about But it seems as if with the offense They may try a little bit, but then they like, uh, you know whatever but on defense They try and they get now somebody um Somebody asks a really good question the other day they asked me uh Do do I think that the ravens? um That they wasted Now I gotta look for the exact question Because I I don't I don't want to phrase it the wrong way because he asked it just so So perfectly almost But it was a question about the offense and the defense Oh, he said that the ravens waste their passing weapons this year And when he asked that question the way that he broke it down he said He asked that because he said on offense. We have so many question marks We don't know how miles boykin really is. We don't know what devon duvenay could be We don't know what pro shape could be we have so many question marks about these offensive players But on with jk dobbins, we know what he is now uh, that was we we know what he is but Then you look on defense And all of those guys we have the identities for them. We we know who they are We know who a Marcus Peters is a marlin humphrey jimmy smith taevan young brandon williams kalaeus everybody We know who they all are So it just it it reminded me of that that investment heavy on defense But the lack of investment on offense and this is why I do not see them Getting an alan robinson I don't see them even getting the quarry davis What I see them doing I I don't want them to do it But what I see them doing I really hope i'm wrong What I see them doing is getting somebody like aj green And aj green he's not a bad receiver But he's older. He's injury prone. He's beat up not all the way washed up, but He's like hanging on them last legs. He only got a couple minutes left and I just That's a move that I see them making so do do you see do you possibly see any change in the way that the ravens do things with their investments on Offense and defense anything like that or do you see them sticking to their same MO because they obviously have been successful over the years At the same time that success has been limited because it keeps coming up short, right? Okay. Well Well, first let me address something here when you talked about investment It's clear as you said in my tweet or you saw my tweet. Uh, it's the least expensive offense And it was like I think the most expensive secondary. Okay So when we talk about investment We obviously have to take into account draft picks. Those are massive massive massive also And I was trying to while you were talking trying to find it and I don't want to waste more time but Somebody had responded to me and I thought they made a good point when I tweeted that out They said, okay. Yes, the salary cap investment hasn't been there but the The draft investments have far outweighed the defense of investments And so when you say well, we don't really know who people are on offense But we do know who people are on defense. Well, the debt defense is a veteran defense It's it's like It's got so many more. Clayus Campbell, Brandon Williams, uh, matt judon. I mean is is that was his fifth year Um, we finally know who bowser is but we didn't know for the longest time It's harder to know With guys that you've drafted And so how just time and time again the ravens have been able to develop paul kruger Like he people were like making fun of him for being a second round pick Then all of a sudden he comes alive in that fourth super bowl year and he goes out and makes a boatload of money Zardaria Smith wasn't doing the things he was doing until that last year and then he's a veteran and goes off Like there's so many people On defense that we if you look back to their drafted players We didn't know who they were for quite some time and so That makes sense to me that like we don't know the offense as well because it's way younger Because the ravens have like been lights out drafting That 2018 draft keeps looking better as we keep going along not only do you get lamar you got mark andrews you got, um Orlando brown jr. You got bozeman you got, um Was was elliott in there or no. No. Yeah, it was just sean elliott was in there Like almost everybody in there Is a starter or a big contributor But elliott on the defensive side is a young guy, right? He's a young guy around calleus and all these guys, but on the other side mark Andrews and lamar and orlando brown and bozeman. Those are the veterans. You know what I mean? And they're all in their third year. So so to me Um, and I didn't represent that in my tweet I was just representing the the salary cap But I think it's important to balance that out and say wait a minute The ravens have invested big time in that offense with the biggest commodity that there is and that's draft fix And so and so we know within the next two years It's not going to be the least expensive and not just because of lamar, you know, we just paid stanley We're gonna try to you know, we're gonna get lamar. We're gonna try to get andrews We're gonna try to get Orlando brown. We're gonna try to get bozeman. So the so so it's gonna flip It's gonna look like hey you guys in a couple of years It's gonna be like, why aren't you guys investing in the defense? It's it's just the way it just when did you hit? Did you hit in the draft on the offensive side or the defensive side? Because what eric de costa does and what all teams should do is you pay Your young up and coming receiver young and up and coming players That's who you pay and they've hit a lot more on offense And so that money is going to be coming down and then you plug in with some some some veterans here and there Like they did with claus cambell and derrick wolf So with um speaking of that contracts um Lamar, he's eligible now Mark andrews eligible lando brown eligible They can't keep everybody now Who do you think stays besides lamar? Who do you think stays and who do you think goes? um I think that um My gut tells I mean, I don't know but But this is what we do in sports ready. I'm not radio the sports dog. This is what we do. We speculate Um, and I say I don't know because at the end of the day It's going to be like I don't know what or lando browns goals are. I don't know what mark andrews goals are Does does or lando brown have a sentimental connection to the ravens? Like the fans have the end because of his father or whatnot Or does he want to go out and get right tackle money? Like does he want to go out and test the market because if he wants to I don't think the ravens are going to be able to match what he can get out there You know, what is mark andrews goals? so That's why I say I don't know like there's there's always two to tango here. So however, I'll just say this if the ravens Cannot keep or lando brown jr With a potential franchise right tackle like that I don't think it's crazy and maybe his fifth year to take tag and trade them. We've seen it elsewhere I mean you have to go out and get a feel for how badly a team needs a right tackle Sometimes it just takes one team go ahead But they couldn't do that Because he um Oh, wait a minute. Never mind. Sorry. No, you're right. You're right. Sorry. I was I was thinking a fifth year option. Sorry Go ahead. You're right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because that would have been the first rounder would be a fifth Right. That's what I was thinking So I mean think about it. The ravens got a second rounder for Hayden Hurst A tight end and granted they traded him when he had more years on his on his rookie contracts But what do people pay these days for a french? Look what they look with the texan I mean the texans are a bad example. They were foolish, but larmy tonsill like you never know how many how many trades does Does eric da costa pull out of his hat? They're like so one-sided in the ravens direction. So I I do not advocate Trading orlando brown before this season. I think lamar deserves Past protection. I want him to have past protection But if we're getting into that Fifth year where we're talking about tagging and maybe trading and you're gonna lose them anyway I'd like to see the ravens get something out of that Uh, and I wouldn't be shocked if they could get a first rounder plus right Mark mark, uh, I don't know his goals are I don't I don't know his goals are But I think that the ravens could keep one of the two and and and so I just don't know are they gonna be like I'm going I'm going for the most money. I possibly can so I want to make it to the market. I'm not going to make a deal I don't know that but if I my gut tells me it would be mark and not orlando Even though it kills me because I'd prefer to have orlando. I want that past protection I think the ravens could go and get more tight ends Not to downplay what mark andrew's right, right, right. Yeah But yeah with uh, yeah with orlando the thing about him too is his value After this season it went through the roof because He not only showed he can play right tackle, but he moved over to left tackle and he did a really good job of it too So It's it's gonna make it even harder Uh to keep him, but like you said, I just I don't see air the costa Um, if he does end up losing orlando brown jr. Yeah, like we we hope doesn't happen But we we know the business of this game. It's a very very nasty business Uh, and one thing that I've seen with eric the costa Is that he And he does it with contracts too But he he takes care of things earlier Rather than later and that's where they come to letting somebody go or if that that's when it comes to uh It's giving somebody an extension. He takes care of it early rather than later. Um So with if it when it if it does come down to that with orlando brown jr I could see them uh making sure that they got something for him rather than just getting the uh That third round comp pick for if he leaves as a free agent Speaking of early contracts three people who I think could be eligible for that because they're they're You're paying ahead, but you're getting him on cheaper deals theoretically. I think that bradley bozeman Is a guy that maybe you get him early um So these are under the radar guards that I think that could be early like tavon kind of came out of nowhere, right? um So tavon's the wrong one to bring up right now like, um Clark is a good one to bring up then They got to get him a little bit early and he's and he's paying off, but bradley bozeman is one you could get early um anthony avert who I know is not everybody's favorite But he's not on on some of these guys levels, but he just keeps getting better and he's got he's got the Make up he progressed a lot. Yeah, he progressed and he's coachable and I think he's he fits He fits in well there and dang it. I'm missing my third person I it'll come to me. Oh, it's elliot elliot Because he hit next year is the last year or this year coming up is the last year of his deal Those are all third year guys. I believe Just finished their third year. Yeah, just finished the third year. Yeah, the sean elliot. Hmm. That would be a very interesting one Very interesting. It's not for these block blockbuster deals, right? Because if you waited and they really like had a phenomenal fourth year, then they're gonna go out and maybe become a zardaria smith But it's you know Biggish deals, but not blockbuster in that way You're able to to keep more of the guys that you're drafting and not seeing the ryan jentons of the world go out The doors or various smiths of the world because what if the ravens did that? Was zardaria smith after his third year instead of his fourth year? When it clicked, you know what I mean, so Those three keep an eye on Oh with the sean elliot is just so hard man because he's like And I it is rough because it was unfortunate because first what he broke his forearm then Thing last year was the leg injury and but this year he made it through the entire season Um, I just feel like they wouldn't invest in him yet They may not it is the last season though. But yeah, I don't feel like they would invest in him yet Um, and I I thought with taevon young speaking of taevon young I I thought I thought if he didn't make it through this year, I thought they were gonna cut bait I really did. I thought that was gonna be it But I remember during the regulars during toward the end of the season when they restructured his contract I was like, okay. Well, I guess taevon standing He's he's he's coming back for 2021 this the salary cap In all that money they pushed back. It just wouldn't be smart. They'd lose too much They'd lose more money than than they'd save And it just same with uh brandon williams when they it seems like they do it every year brandon williams They always it's like he's the first whenever they need to do some reconfiguring the contract Get brandon on the phone He's the first person that they go to Yeah So With we've seen time and time again. What happens when brandon's not in that lineup that the defense the rushing defense Not just gets worse gets drastically worse That's true. They do take a big step back and it reminds me of that uh, that titans game in the regular season Because they they were holding it down for three quarters. Derek Henry wasn't doing anything I was like, okay, Ravens. Let's go. I was surprised. But then that fourth quarter in overtime They wore down Yeah, so it is what it is though um Secondary, how do you feel the Sean ellie than chuck clock played this year? I thought they were yeah, I honestly don't understand the um The complaints there Chuck Clark Was praised by teammates more than any other Person on the defense. I feel like just the smart so that he brings he gets everybody in the right position I feel like if they had lost clark, that would have been that would have been trouble I was nervous about the the depth there for sure Yeah, I think Uh, and I maybe I I always want to give credit where I can I was trying to give credit to um A soul of in there this one. I'm going to give credit to um Ken mccusack from from He kind of cued me on this Um, now nobody studies the film more or better than ken. Yeah, he take a look at ellie We want a more free safety who can be running, right? Like I mean, he's not going to he's not going to be ed reed, but you know that ed reed type Rangy guy He was doing that more and more and I think Again, this was his first year fully starting right. I think that ken is right He's becoming more of that rangy Safety and I think that if he anticipates even just a little bit more because it's like he knows But doesn't want to be the the young guy that screws it up and guess is wrong Yeah, if he takes that other step, I think you'll be seeing more interceptions from him I like that do I like the chemistry between them. You can tell that they're good friends You can tell that they have each other's back, which I think is massive back there I communicate very well together. I like that duo together I am going in to 2021 with those two as my starting safeties However, I want more depth in case something does happen Oh, yeah, you need depth for sure. And I think we're Ravens. They um The secondary depth, uh, they did a pretty good job of it this year Um, and then they of course got some exceptions to the rules and stuff with the whole pandemic going on But it it whenever I think of a cornerback depth secondary depth. It reminds me of 2014 um the playoffs When they went to go play the Patriots Jimmy Smith, he was out and you know all those seasons when jimmy smith would go out. That would be it. That was a wrap So, um Think they they definitely learned their lesson Uh, and When they signed brandon car that that was the year when I was like, oh, yeah, they really learned their lesson um But even this year too, they went through a lot of corners like they lost taevan young they lost eamon marshal They lost uh, jimmy smith for a period of time. They lost marcus peter's for a period of time um I covet Yeah, I forgot about that man, it was uh Honestly, I remember in the off season being like look at this depth and I was like, you know Like if they get to the bottom of this, it's just been like a hellish unlucky season. And then what do you know? Uh for at least a series they didn't have any of those guys that I can't even I couldn't even tell you off the top of my head Who the guys ran it for one play because I don't know I think it was harris and somebody else and two guys that might be on the practice back on the practice squad I mean, I don't know. I can't believe they went through that many that many and it's very interesting bringing up the secondary you heard eric de costa talk about how the league has been changing because he he like Stocked up on on pass rushers, right and like goes it gets yannik Uh gives up a third and fourth, which is uncharacteristic to give up two picks from eric de costa So he's stocking up But all these teams negated it by getting the ball out and so like you almost heard him be like You know, we have the most expensive secondary He's like doing that He's gonna keep doing that because if the if the quarterback's just getting the ball out negating the pass rush Then it's all on your secondary at that point And this is why I actually think that I think there's a high chance especially with the limited salary cap I think there's a high chance that yannik isn't back I really Um, I know like usually well when they initially traded for him I was for sure set like oh, yeah, yannik they traded for them. They got them They finally got who they wanted Uh, because there were all the rumors flying around about yannik even last season with yannik and the ravens But this this year they actually got who they wanted And I was like, oh, yeah, that's gonna be the guy who they end up signing to the long-term deal That's gonna be the pass rush who they signed to a long-term deal, but having gone through the season um, and then the playoffs and and then I think eric de costa says something like, um How he didn't he didn't say exactly like pass rushes aren't as important as they used to be But he says something like along those lines. I forget the exact quote, but He didn't Right. But um with with that the limited salary cap and just so much uncertainty I could see I think I think judon is going for sure. Um, but I like judon played He played a lot better that second half of the season once he came back Off the c19 list. He played a lot better. Um, but I think judon is going and I think yannik I think he's probably going to bowser. I think there's a chance But Here's here's how I I agree with yannik. I don't I was with you. I thought when he made that trade It was like, oh, they're definitely investing in him Um, I'm not okay. Let me put it this way. It's not like I'm not even I'm below 50 50 judon coming back. I'm more at like a 30 70 But this is why I give 30 of him coming back number one, I think he's a better fit for this defense I think that um wink martindale asked a lot of his outside backers in terms of coverage And obviously stopping the run and I and and um yannik Is neither of those like the sam the sam linebacker. He's not a sam linebacker yannik is a rush linebacker and both bowser and judon can rush but they're they can also be sam they can drop back in coverage And uh, you know stop the run and all that kind of stuff So here's why here's the hope for judon because I would like him back If I still remember so clearly there was one point in the season And this is early in the season when we're still figuring out covet and everything, right? We don't really know what's happening and um and um I think jeff's rebeck asked judon Are you nervous about what covet could do to the market when you're going to go out? and get a contract and he goes Wait, why he goes to youth he asked jeff back. He's like do you think something could happen? and jeff's like Like I wasn't running mean to like get you nervous and he's like but you know the salary cap is tied to revenue And like with no fans in the stadium the revenue will go down And so at that time we didn't know yet and he's like but there's a good chance that the that the salary cap could go down And judon's like Oh, well, okay. He's like well, I wasn't worried about it now. He's like I gotta go call my agent like This was early like you know and he just it just you know It was the beginning of how would covet affect everything, but I still remember that to this day so If judon judon loves this organization and you can hear it in the way he talks He was in that post game presser right after the bill's game Un he nobody asked him no reporter So you know that when a player or coach wants to get something off their chest without without a question They really want to say it and judon was like, I don't know what's going to happen to me this List this off season, but I love this organization. They drafted me. They've been good to me And he just he just sang their praises right? He loves the ravens and I think the ravens love him I think that I could see eric being like Look, I got 15 million I want you to go out and you go see what you can do But if you're not getting the money that you thought you would command which could have been I don't know what was our day. It wasn't like 20 million plus or whatever If judon goes out and says man, this suppressed market is not what I thought it was going to be So I want to take a one year or two year deal To prove myself one more time and wait for that cap to go back up What better team to do that with than my ravens who know how to use me and I know them So he I could see maybe him coming back and being like the market I don't want to lock into a five-year deal even though it's more than what you're offering me right now I don't want to lock into a five-year deal that could be like Millions of dollar less of what I could have gotten if there had been no covid season So that's where I could see him coming back and being just like jimmy did jimmy went out The ravens had offered him something jimmy's like, let me go see if I can get a bigger offer I want to be with the ravens, but if I can get a bigger offer Maybe I could get up there annie and then the market didn't same thing with ray louis ray louis almost left Then he hit the market and it wasn't what he thought it was going to be so he came back So that's where I could see judon coming back being like, okay This wasn't the payday I was hoping for because of covid So I'll come back for a year and and and try to get my numbers back up So that's the third that's why I that's why I say maybe there's still a chance. He's back Oh, yeah, I I can see that and that is a good point about the uh, the entire c19 situation and um, that that revenue Because it hasn't been set in stone. Whatever the salary cap is going to be yet But we know that nine times out of ten is most likely going to be a lot lower or significant So yeah, that's going to make Free agency and just the market is it's going to be crazy and what I'm wondering is if the nfl order if they're going to do some type of um Some type of scenario where they sort of uh, give teams maybe a break Something where they work it out to because it's going to be a lot of teams that are in a lot of cap trouble Um, like even right now I think what the saints are like 100 million dollars over the cap right now and it's the I think the end of the crazy too, but um So because I feel like and I know the nfl they they love the parody and they love that One team could be really terrible one year and then the next year they could be really good and whatnot, but um If if they don't give teams a break then it's going to be a lot of change a whole lot of change restructuring's uh Low deals on the open market and free agency. It's going to be a lot like you mentioned with jimmy smith I was for sure like last year. I thought jimmy smith was gone I figured that he was going to go to the jets and go cash in over there Because you know, they love getting those Baltimore Ravens players So I was for sure I was for sure. He was going to the jets, but then when he came back, I was like, oh, okay. Wow um, so with yeah with matt judon That that is a scenario that that that does make some sense because yeah, you you can tell he does love it And you can tell that the players love him too One of my favorite things about this year last year too Uh was the away games after a win But the away game marlin humphrey and his uh, he went on instagram live And he would be live streaming When the players were on the plane and they were like matt judon would always slide up and down like he was like snowboarding or something And they would they were just having a lot of fun. They were having a lot of fun All right, marlin humphrey continued that this year too, but uh with matt judon you could tell he really like They love him. He loves them. It's it's a vibe, right? um, and yeah, like you said He does fit the defense better than a unique in gaikwe Him and bowser because yeah, they they can do more and you know the wink like the wink If you can pass rush cool if you could drop back to even cooler like I I wouldn't be Seems he's got him Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that I wouldn't be surprised if wink had brandon williams dropping back Because you know wink likes to put everybody and everything but with wink Another thing that I was for sure about I was I was telling people all season long Enjoy wink while he's here This this a rap. He's not gonna be back with the ravens next year but He's still here Why do you think that is? I think the ravens are just as surprised as you are I think it's surprising. I don't know because some people would try to say well Teams aren't going for defensive coaches, but weren't weren't two defensive coaches hired I don't know. It's a lay from the jet. Yeah, and so or they're looking for the young Uh kind of CEO looking one um Maybe I just think it I am surprised didn't even get an interview like if he if he had If he had Not gotten a job I'd be like well, there's only so many opportunities You know, there's only so many opportunities. He wants to be an NFL head coach I can't was it five or six that was open this year Yeah, there's just not a lot of opportunities, but the fact didn't even get interviewed um I don't know. I I don't I don't have any answers. I don't have any answers based off of his his merit other than teams just have A focus for what they're looking for Uh, maybe part of it is a look maybe part of it is a style um But based off of like he's had all these top defenses and um So so that's I'm grasping at straws without knowing what these teams were looking for that just he didn't Fit their style or look or whatever it is that they were looking for it. He wasn't it, but I'm surprised He didn't even get an interview that is shocking to me Yeah, it was crazy because I just knew that wink was going like His resume speaks for itself, especially with the Ravens and I just I was like, oh, yeah He's out of here So Raven's gonna have to start looking for that next defensive coordinator, which they have been pretty good at but still um But no looks like he's gonna be back But somebody who's not gonna be back Is the Ravens former wide receiver coach former passing game coordinator and former assistant head coach David Coley, what'd you think about that hire with him going to the Texans? I mean dude Two compensatory picks in the third round Uh, I mean look it's Nobody was in the building this year because of cova not even so I don't know David Coley personally the way I would used to get to no coaches I know that he is charismatic. I know a lot of people like him. I know he's full of energy He comes from andy reed tree. Here's what's funny I've seen so many people come at me being like hey fire greg roman and bringing somebody from andy reed staff Well fyi david coley was from andy reed staff. So like You know, it doesn't always you know translate I mean, you know, it's not through it's funny because my husband's a doctor and people ask me questions Like i'm a doctor and i'm like it's not osmosis here. I'm not like suddenly picking up How to like diagnose like i'm not the doctor my husband is and so I sometimes think that when people people are like Wait, why didn't he bring andy reed results because he's not andy reed, you know Or he doesn't have the same personnel or a million other different reasons. So um But listen, there's a lot of fans celebrating because number one they kept asking for a run game quarter then you Run game or passing game coordinator, then you'd be like, oh, yeah, they're even sad when it's david coley And they're like, okay fire him then because look at the the passing game um So so there's an opportunity there. I don't know that they're going to name another pass game coordinator Um, but they obviously are going to need a wide receiver coach Um, but as I said, I advocated for the Ravens to take a long hard look on their passing schemes And I'd like to see them go out and hire somebody who can really Work with Greg bring harmony to that that passing game with the running game and On top of it Eric Dacosta who like is a wizard at getting all these Extra draft picks and you just know he's gonna go at him this go at him somehow this time He doesn't even try and voila it comes up out of thin air and just lands and is he's got like something He's just like gotta I don't know the universe just loves him Um, but the ravens were down to five draft picks and then a third round or just landed in him You know a third runner that he'd given up for yannick So it'll be later in the third round, but not too much later the ravens are you know number 27 in the order like I can't even I can't even believe he got it. So um So obviously the passing game wasn't great. He was the pass game coordinator. The wide receivers weren't great He was the wide receiver coach So let's get an opportunity with a new guy with some fresh blood and let's go ahead and reap those benefits of the of the draft picks All right, all right, that's true. What do you think? um That yeah with with the passing game it left a lot to the imagination obviously, but um I'm I'm happy for him because that's one thing that I did hear about david culley Uh, and somebody on twitter had mentioned that how she always would see david culley interacting with the players on the sideline What not and always engaging with them and whatnot. So I'm happy that he got his opportunity. Um, sometimes That's all somebody needs is just an opportunity. Um, because we may be in different situations in life and Whether it's at the workplace or whatever it may be And we may be doing our job and it we it may not look like we're being very successful at what we're doing at that Current moment, but that may not be a good fit for us Uh, so maybe if we get an opportunity to do something different Hey, you never know what could happen. So We'll see what happens with david culley, uh in the texas wink martindale is the perfect example He was with the broncos. He heads up the number 32 defense So it's like why were the ravens hiring him and now look at him go So so as much we always like to point to leaders and we either give him credit or we give him blame But the the the reality is in football It's the ultimate team sport and this is another reason why I don't go too hard on greg roman It is the ultimate team sport and in an ultimate team sport. He's been to an nc championship three times He's been to the playoffs three times with the ravens. He's been to the super bowl in the ultimate team sport and so like He's right there. He like if he's just as close as anybody anything can happen in the playoffs So if if wink martindale can go from the 32nd defense to the number one Why can't greg roman go from you know a super bowl in the nfc to a super bowl in the afc I think he can do it. Anyway, I went back on a different topic, but It's okay Okay, so cool as we get ready to wrap up Um, when you were working for the ravens What would you say was your most fun moment your favorite moment working for the team? Yeah collection of them. Yeah, I mean There's a collection of them a super bowl was big. I'll just say this and I did this on on my last day and Uh, I wrote up because you know my writer and some sometimes it's fun in sports that you do like a top 10 and I had been told when I first got there That um women can't have it all meaning you can't have your family and succeed in in your profession and I would say that's true If you don't have a team around you And I had a team within my family and I had a team at the ravens And I came up with a list that talks about my top 10 miracles at the ravens To allow me to have four children. I had four children while I was working there and um Time and time and time again They had my back they had my back and made it so that I could keep working for them And um, I mean I could tell you I like said there's 10 and I probably could have come up with more I just wanted to have a nice round number But time and time again those guys showed me so well so well such a first-class organization and um And you know, I'll I'll forever be in debt to them love them All just the relationships Coaches front office dick cast steve basciari steve basciari doing a massive interview for me for my podcast and And you know ozzy newson came up to me out on the field on the last day It's probably my most one of my most heartwarming days is I was there for my last training camp day And I was in with the big scrum of media Waiting for john harbaugh and lamar to come up and out of nowhere I feel a tap on my shoulder and I turn around and it's I look up and it's ozzy newson And he's like sarah I just wanted to congratulate you on your ravens career and gives me a big hug And then he disappears because you know, he hates the media He disappears up his back stairs up into his office and I'm like he came out into a Gangle of reporters who he just does not want to be around to go out of his way to say goodbye to me It's just such a good organization Um, and I think fans. I hope fans know it's got to make you feel better that your organization is that classy Yeah, they um for sure, um They do yeah, they do a lot of good stuff for their community or for the the ravens fans community and whatnot um, because I remember there it was Was it lamar's rookie year 2018? I want to say it was but I don't remember for sure. But anyway, um I I used to live up in Maryland, but now I live in Miami, but Usually every year I go up there go to a couple of games Um, and then that you know how ravens had the open practice So during the summertime so I flew up there for the open practice And it got it was scheduled to be on a Saturday So I flew up there on a Saturday morning And it was just raining bad it got rained out and they were like, you know, we open practices canceled sound like man so I tweeted about it tagged the ravens and um, They sent me a dm. They were like, oh, are you still gonna be in town tomorrow? And I was like, yeah, I'll be in town tomorrow. They were like, okay Well, we'll send you some passes to come out to training camp tomorrow Because we don't want your weekend to be ruined since you flew up here from Florida and da da da I was like wow that that was crazy and It just it made me appreciate just the the team so much more because I'm like why they they actually they didn't have to do this Especially we went out of their way to do it. Yeah, right and it was the weather It wasn't like they they cancelled it because of something they cancelled it because of weather They have no control over that. So I couldn't be too mad. I couldn't be mad at them But they still went out of their way to do that and then even um even this year uh, there was somebody that um somebody who watches watches our videos And their brother their little brother who was like maybe like 12 he had he died But he was a ravens fan. So he reached out to me and he was like, hey Uh, do you know, do you can you get in contact with the ravens whatsoever? If they could do anything for my little brother to honor him and whatnot And I was like, I don't have any like pull anything like that. I can ask Ask the um because they had like a uh Is it called ravens community something on twitter where you could like Take care of that and their email too So I uh Relations. Yeah. Yeah. So I sent him an email and They wrote me back, but I also um, I put on twitter and I and I tagged uh tayvon young And so a lot of people just started retweeting retweeting favoring and all that And then tayvon young was like, hey, send me whatever send me a jersey or something. I'll sign it for him So I can send it back. So that that was really cool too. So not only see the actual organization Do something but an actual player who's part of that organization be willing to do that for a fan. So It's cool, man. They uh, they they they real good people and I know I'm sure uh ryan mink and gad downing and and cassia. I'm sure they get tired of getting tagged and so much stuff from so many people But they they do a really good job. They do a really really really good job. They do. I would just say I Me and my boss hired ryan and garret Yeah, yeah, yeah, I interviewed both those guys. Yeah Yeah, yeah, so Very very happy to see them continuing to be so successful Yeah, they're doing a pretty good job Yeah And then one of my other favorite things recently, I think they started it last year, right? I believe they started last year is the uh The intros the um The videos the hype videos. Oh, yeah from the uh the broadcasting department. Yeah, those are the best I I love those Love them. Love them. Love them because they uh, they get you hyped. I don't know who that guy is talking But Ever Yeah, they do a really good job with that Like I was I was a little upset and I and I know they um, they got to do that thing But I was a little upset sometimes when they would like have a player talking instead of him because I'm like, no, man It's not the same. They need that on every single video love the players and whatnot But they need his voice on all the videos. It's the voice of god I gotta there's a lot of good people behind the scenes in the broadcasting department I mean a lot of people to get that all together Eddie Coughlin Is one of the most talented guys i've ever seen he puts together a lot of those videos you're talking about and the wired ones Um, I mean anything that's I mean, I mean feel cunning ham. I mean, there's so many Jail brine who leads the whole operation I mean, there's a lot of talented people in that department a lot. You'd be I mean so much work goes in It's all the videos that they do. Yeah, they do a lot of great work Yeah, well cool. Uh, we appreciate you uh coming on. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for coming through Inviving with team keeping clean for this past hour and a half. No, I I could talk Ravens forever. I could tell you can too But yeah, so we're gonna go ahead and get out of here now. Thank you Everybody who was watching appreciate y'all for coming out and on that note We out any last words you want to say to everybody say Appreciate you very much. Thanks for the invite. Love your brand. I appreciate everything you do It was honored to be a guest tonight. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. So until next time We'll see y'all later Yeah Yeah, this feels like a dream And you know just what I mean You see my boy. He like I done made it. I done made it more. He's a fan and he like the raven And you know just what I mean You Whoever got the flag that I'm with y'all And great for lock you up and play football I'm a fanatic. 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