 is, that would be in serious, serious jeopardy. This is where none of us want to envisage most of all Boris Johnson and the Tory party, while they can talk tough, etc, etc. The reality is the consequences for them will not be good if people are hurting economically, politically speaking, that's not going to go well for the Tory party. The Taoiseach says he doesn't believe TDs and senators sleeping in their cars in Dublin is a widespread problem. Reports today suggest a small number of public representatives have struggled to find hotel rooms in the capital, with some resorting to sleeping in their cars. Meal Merton doesn't believe it's happening a lot, however. I don't think it's a widespread phenomenon to be frank about it, but clearly tourism has rebounded, as we saw from figures this morning that were announced, and so very significant recovery in terms of the tourism sector. And so, you know, there is always pressure in the city, like Dublin, in terms of accommodation. But again, I don't think there are too many TDs sleeping in their cars, but there are pressures. Being a false senator, Eugene Murphy has described how he slept in his car in order to avoid driving late at night and spending money on hotel rooms after the Eroctor sits. Last Tuesday night was the poorest night I got to stay overnight in Dublin in three weeks. It just was impossible to get accommodation. And you know, some of those hotels I came into Erox in 2016, I will be dealing with some of those hotels on a weekly four-nightly basis. And yes, you were almost nearly guaranteed your room every week there in the past, but now it's just not there. It's just impossible to get a room. Three men from the Oma area have been arrested on suspicion of aggravated burglary and other offences after a car was stolen and subsequently found burnt out last month. Just saying the three men aged 28, 32 and 46 years old respectively, gained forced entry to a house in the Dronebe Park area of Castle Durg shortly after six o'clock on April 5th. With more, here's Emma Ryan. It's believed that a number of masked men armed with weapons, including the sledgehammer, forced entry to the house. The male occupant inside was chased by the intruders and consequently injured his leg fleeing from them. The occupant's vehicle, a white Volkswagen to-go on, was taken during the incident and later located, burnt out in the Follyard Road area of Sion Mills. Police say that a 28-year-old suspect was arrested on suspicion of arson. A 32-year-old man was also arrested on suspicion of arson, as well as aggravated vehicle taken as a damage vehicle and aggravated burglary within 10-toothed, like grevious, bodily harm. A 46-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of arson, aggravated burglary within 10-toothed, like grevious, bodily harm and taken a vehicle without authority. All three men now remain in custody. Police have appealed to anyone who may have witnessed any suspicious activity in the area that evening or has any dashcam footage to call them on 101. And finally, Mecca campaigner Michael Daugherty has urged the government to get the final details of the Mecca redress scheme right this time, ahead of a party leader's meeting in a couple of hours. Details of the revised redress scheme are expected to be at the heart of the discussions, ahead of the presentation of the full Mecca bill and memo to cabinet on Tuesday, May 31. In his weekly online update at the weekend, Mecca action group PRO Michael Daugherty repeated his calls for the government to get the scheme right this time. We haven't changed the script. It is what it is. They know what it is. We basically wait and see how they get on with it now. Bottom line, we want the scheme right this time. It can't be another 90, 10, 60, 40, sliding scale every time that there's something that looks like it may be doable, that it's covered in the end. That can't be the case. And if it is the case, then we just have to keep the fight going. Simple as that. We don't want to be campaigning for a day longer than we need to be campaigning for. But if the scheme is not right, it's not right. Weather now scattered showers this evening heaviest in the east with a chance of thunder and hail. Early tonight showers will ease, becoming gradually more isolated, lowest temperatures of 5 to 8 degrees overnight tonight. That's all from the Highland video news desk for now. Your next local news bulletin here in Highland will be at 7 o'clock tomorrow morning. But in the meantime, we'll have regular national and international news updates for you. Until then, good evening. The DL debate with Sister Sarah's Ladder Kenny, serving food you'll love till 9 p.m. daily in Sarah's kitchen and there's free admission entertainment every weekend. It's a very good evening and welcome along to Sister Sarah's here in Ladder Kenny for the DL debate, the championship Ulster final special. We are live. We have taken Brandon's show out and about as we look ahead to Sunday's huge decider where the neighbours of Derry and Donegal, of course, will once again clash in a provincial final. We have to go back to 2011 when that last happened, last happened rather and it's very much an eagerly awaited game. There's a lot of talk. There's a lot of excitement about this fixture on Sunday and of course the rush is on for tickets. Apparently there's going to be a few more released maybe today or tomorrow. We have to wait and see but one thing for sure is it's going to be a sell out and the match if you can't make it will of course be live on Highland this coming Sunday. There is a four o'clock through in time. So then it's just after seven on a Monday and that means it's the DL debate. We've got a lineup of distinguished guests which includes Ulster and All Ireland champions and we've also got Mr Brendan Daveney the presenter of the podcast and the show on the Monday evening. Unfortunately, he's not an Ulster or an All Ireland champion but he is an international. Brendan, take it away. You're supposed to be here supporting me tonight. He's hitting me hard. Listen, there'll be none of that. I won't touch any of those. You know that. Heroes here all around us. Listen folks, first of all I just want to thank Ciaran Brogan for the use of the bar this evening. Ciaran's been sponsoring the show this last three years. What a brilliant place to have this up for the match. As he said we're surrounded by a host of top G writers and personalities. Before we get to the match and Derry Donegal, I first want to talk about the weekend just passed and it was a heartbreaking one for two Donegal sides. Of course, our miners losing out in penalties and our ladies losing after extra time and real heart wrenching stuff. As you knew we're at the ladies game first of all yesterday, yourself and Moe was covering it. Actually, one night on what was happening on the Super Sunday, Man City going two down and Liverpool going a goal down and then I was listening of course to your commentary with Moe and I just couldn't believe what I was hearing. Four up in normal time and two up with literally a minute and a half to go an extra time but our man coming back and taking Donegal out. We would have a big problem here, Oshins, about is getting a new mic and until he does, Bendingham Coins here as well, you all know Oshin. Yeah, I think we're back grounded. You're supposed to be supporting me, I'm supporting you, right, where you going? I think, yeah. Well, Maureen O'Donnell is here down the back somewhere. Maureen, if you want to come up the front maybe just join us for a second. Maureen, come on ahead. We've also got Bendingham Coins who's here. Brandon, Brandon of course part of the commentary team, Brandon, but we've got the miners a huge disappointment a weekend. He's came so close to beating Sir Rowan, but it had to go to the penalties. I don't think that's a way an underage GA match should finish, but heartbreak for Donegal. Oh, total heartbreak on Saturday evening. You know, you're just, my heart went out to the lads, they put so much into it and they played so well on the night and listen, you look back in it and you think we probably should have closed it off when we were at five up, seven or eight minutes to go, but to Rowan are a good side and they came back and McElhom kicked a wonder point to level the game up last kick of the game kind of thing and went extra time then and to Rowan were the better team an extra time, but we, Murrack as he pulled the goal in two points out of summer and then unfortunately going to Pendee's like, and it isn't a way to decide a game particularly for young laddies and you know, there was the option of playing a replay again in Celtic Barricam Wednesday evening that could have been taken, but it wasn't. But listen, that's football and you know, good luck to Taroan, but I still hope Derry beat them in the final, like anything you know. Well listen, what about, what about Donny Gaul and Derry Brendan in the senior game? You're on commentary with me on on Sunday evening for the match. How's this one going to go? Or is it too tight to cut? Ah listen, it's very hard to know, like you know, you know, Derry are coming in on the back of two massive victories against you know, Taroan, firstly you know, totally outsmarted them and then again against Monaghan, you know, they were so far ahead of Monaghan that day and you know, any Rory Gallar team is going to be prepared to the Hilt and there's no stone left unturned, so it'll be an instrument for Donny Gaul, you know, you know, we know, we know what a lot of the matchups are, but there are so many other we nuggets within the game and facets that need to be looked at kind of thing and it's too, it's too close to call, of course we're all hoping for a Donny Gaul victory and I think the key to that will probably be getting the likes of Langan and Kieran Thompson, if they can get a big return from that half forward, I think it's going to be a crucial part of the game because a lot of the other stuff is going to kind of nullify itself out, I think, you know, when you look at the matchups last year, you know, Rogers taking Murphy and Kara McKay taking, or McKay taking Patrick McBriarty and you know, there's some of these that are so obvious, but I think the big one from a Donny Gaul point of view is probably, you know, how do we get track on McKinley's coming for deep and that's going to be a big poser for Declan Bonner and his management team this week. Okay, wait to see, you're going to have to find a different route to get to Colonies on Sunday because after that statement about Tarone, you might have to find an alternative route to. Thanks, Brendan. I look forward to Sunday. We'll start with a man, Maureen. What's your thoughts on Donny Gaul Tarone? Donny Gaul Tarone? Donny Gaul Derry, excuse me. Donny Gaul Derry, listen, it's going to be a cracking game of football, I think, as opposed with Rory Geller and management there for Derry. I think Donny Gaul have a lot to do in trying to beat the hunger aspect of the Derry Lodge, you know, they'll be seriously hungry for that Ulster title, you know, yourself. It's there for the taken, but at the same time Donny Gaul are a really experienced output. They're a really quality side and they have a lot of skill. They have a lot of great players and, you know, Derry's up against it. I'm anticipating a very, very tight match. Love to see Donny Gaul getting over the line, you know. The ladies yesterday couldn't get over the line, unfortunately, Maureen. It was a tough defeat to take with Maxis to regroup the Guards now and get them ready for an All Ireland championship. Yeah, absolutely. It's very hard for the Guards, you know. That's just not their first defeat, their number of defeats, maybe over the year there as well. So regrouping now for the All Ireland series is going to be quite difficult, but listen, you've got a great quality bunch of Guards there and like you look at yesterday and I know there wasn't, it didn't come away with any silverware, but you have to give credit to the Guards. There was a lot of outstanding performances on the field starting with their keeper, Rasha McCaffery. Evelyn McGinley after an emotional week, she had a fantastic, you know, she did a fantastic job at fallback as well, as you know. There was a lot of great performances throughout the field, our own Charlie McLaughlin getting 110, Nicole making her 100th appearance. So yeah, it might have been a memorable occasion for a lot of Guards in the sense that they came away with the defeat, but seriously memorable and for other reasons, you know, they'll get back up on the horse, have no doubt about it, and you know, they'll make a good stab at the All Ireland. Well said, Mourin. Mournidonna there, Highlands Litties, match analysts, thanks Mourin, thanks to Brandon. All right, Brandon, over to you. Yes, folks, listen, as I say, we've a host of our media men here, Tom Komak, I see Frank the Tank, Craig Axel Foley, Michael McMullen has come down the way up the Derry saddle equation, we're backing up Patty Bradley here this evening and say, Patty Bradley won the best forwards of all time, not just in Derry colors. We've Rory Cavna here, Eamon McGee, John Golday, who else are we getting down there? Oh no, can I get a whoop whoop from the Derry here we go. Listen anyway, the men will be right at the minute, I feel like Gary Neville now, we should have a Clips package here if you used to guys to put up on screen. There might be a few more Clips at Tony than you have, you have the main Clip though, we've got that 40 yard hand pass, or we could stick in a few of them, but listen, that's before we get on to the game on Sunday, we've been a nostalgia, just looking back, 92 final, that was the first ever Derry Doneygall final, it was a pivotal game, below you the knee bandage on, you decided to give it another crack, down to 14 men at half time, can you tell us the magic that was sprinkled? I was just thinking about it earlier today, there was a lot of similarities 30 years ago than there is coming into the Sunday, we had we lost the previous year to, we're not doubting also, down bit is not the final, down went on to to on the All Ireland, this year then we had a patch in, or back then, we had a patch in a league, league campaign before the 92 championship, similar to Doneygall this year, we beat Kevin on the way we found ourselves in a, we found ourselves in also final in 92, and Derry had a successful league campaign that year, went on to beat the All Ireland champions, what's it done this year as well, and now both of us find ourselves 30 years on, so listen, looking back then, there was a massive rivalry between ourselves, ourselves and Derry around that time, obviously we'd down one on the All Ireland the year before, there was a massive carrot, because both ourselves and Derry knew going on to that final, there was a good chance that one of us could go on, but as you say, we got to half time, Rambo or Razda had been sent off, we would still feel quite harshly by Jim Corran, and I hit a bit of a clash with Adney Tohal, just before half time and that ended my game, but the boys would keep remaining me, that Tohal was a bigger loss for Derry in the second half than I was for Doneygall, but listen, I remember at half time, either we-man probably took a lot of the, took a lot of the speaking on at half time, and the one thing, and probably where that short game developed back around that time was the one thing we were playing against, the one we were down to 14 men, was not to kick the ball away, so I think he, he made sure he told Maloy that to stop kicking it back up into the air, just to hold on to that he got it back in, but listen, it was probably, when you look back in 82, it was probably the best 30, 35 minutes of football that Doneygall played in that campaign, you know, to go on and beat Derry. Yeah, listen, it was massive, folks, remember, well, Adney, Coleman McNuff was big at the time, McNuff was like the daddy of Doneygall, he's moved to the granddaddy, I think you're the daddy now, if we all had a person they looked up to, it was you, Adney, what's your memories of that game, 92? Look at 92, like I think it was, I suppose first of all, I think of performance, like in the second half, like it was one of our best performers ever as a team, down to 14 men, as Tony said there, and playing into every East leg, and we were really up against it, and you know, we didn't pay all that well in the first half, but there again, you know, we had the work done, we had the training done, and every man like, to a man like stood up, like, and we got the result that we needed, you know, and Tony's forgetting there about them high balls, like, I used to take Tony into the game so often, like with the real criss-passes there, you know, and, but no, it was, I suppose every time I think of Derry, like, you know, Derry from the late 80s and early 90s, like I cringe about there, because all these boys here, the likes of Tony and that, they're, you know, about different days there, and they could have a different marker, like, but every day I went out like a big McGilligan to attend with, you know, and, and should that be a McKenna Cup game, or a friendly, or it was never that friendly, to be quite honest, but we always had a very... Was he your toughest opponent? He probably was, he was a man of steel, like, and a good player too, like, and a good honest to God player, but he was built like a tank, like, and a good fielder of a ball and that there, and, you know, Derry, as often as we said in Derry, you know, that McGilligan made the likes at all in these boys as well, just as Emma's who's here with these boys here, you know. Well, yeah, it's very cher, because Sean Murray Locker just picked me up a little, except for the 88, Tony was picking you up that day, but, but he, he was a real tough man to get around as well, but that's just, just that halftime, and you came and spoke in our dressing room one time years ago, I think we were playing Meath in 2001 or so, and you made the hair stand the back of the neck pre-match, how you spoke to us. At halftime, was there a real organisation there, or was the team around enough just to know, you mentioned there Tony about the short game and that, was that the team was around a lot, and I know that you almost quit, previous that you came back, you had trouble with your knee, but was it as if this was the time, if it was going to be now or never? Yeah, well, you know, at this stage, look, we were a very experienced bunch, you know, and we'd been finals like from 89, we'd have drawn game in 89, we're there in 90, we're there in 91, and here we were again in 92, so, you know, we were a very experienced bunch, and, and look, it was, it was now or never, like, for a good few of us as well, like, there's no doubt about that, like, and for a good few of us around the 30 mark and over that, and, and so, it, it, it was do or die that day there, and, you know, funny enough, the training we had, and we did train, like, and, and there's no doubt about that there, you know, we were training two nights without the ball, and, and then the third night was the football, like, and, and, and, and definitely stood for us, and I'd also created a massive spirit, you know, within the squad as well, like, and I often think, you know, if we were to do what we'd done in 92, if we were to do it way far back as 1983, like, we probably might have won a lot more, like, if we had to just give everything, you know, to, to the cause, like, discipline-wise and everything, like, and, and, you know, I think we might have won a lot more, you know? Yeah, and, and that's, 93, you may have to mention for the Derry Boys, the one they put one over is that horrible day in Clonestory. What's, what's your, what's your memories of that game? All bad, Bryn, unfortunately. Obviously, I must, I must, the, the whole year, 93 with a shoulder injury, and was able to train with the team but couldn't play any matches, so that was, that was difficult for me not to be a part of the team to defend our All-Ireland, our All-Ireland title, but we went into that day and, you know, the whole spine of the team, Noel Hegerty, got sent off in the semi-final against Irmaa. Rambo was out injured and he was out injured. Obviously, I, I had missed out, but, and obviously, listen, everyone remembers that the bad day, the weather, and there's no, there's absolutely no way that game shooter went ahead, you know? There was, there was a young minor, I think, from Derry that actually stereotyped her own, the broke his leg in the, in the match beforehand, but the, the, also the council put the referee on, on, on, there was so much pressure, the game had to go ahead, and you remember back then, in the, the old hall that was full of grass and the amount of people you spoke to afterwards that, that slid down through the grass. But, funny enough, I've seen highlights not so long going. A lot of the Derry, the old Derry guys would say, didn't matter what, you know, whether they were going to beat us that day anyway. Now, they beat half, half of Dunnegall team, because most of the, most of the, the main spine of the team were out, but I've seen highlights last year, and I didn't realize how close we were. You know, we must have got a chance early on and we must have got a chance late in the game. We only lost by two points, you know, but it was disappointing, but just come back to the 92 in the, in the dressing room at halftime. You know, it was, it was a bunch of experienced players, you know, it was only my second year, and there was that sort of energy about the team that year that, for the likes of Antony and, and Don Reed and Martin McHugh, and a lot of them boys that, this could be their last year, you know, and that, I think that's what drove, drove them on, and listen, me and, the likes of me and Ola were young. We just, we just got, got sort of swept away and, and put in air, but you know, but it was, it was very calm and collected, you know, more so than sometimes it can be all shouting and we're, there was a lot of, there was a lot of people annoyed about the sending off and different stuff, but it was all calm and collected. And listen, you know, the one person I would mention, obviously the wee man, everyone, the 14 men on that field, the second half, but, you know, as a, as a fall forward that went out injured, you know, we had to give a special mention to Tommy Ryan because he wouldn't fall forward that day and, and has the best 30 minutes of football, you know, the king. The king. And you know, we wouldn't want that, also take a lot out of him, you know. That's brilliant. Just where you go, after he said, he said there in 98, John Jones, the captain, he says, if you're going to beat there, you have to hit them. And I was like, you said, if Adam would hit there, I have no problem. After he said there, you don't have to hit them, you just have to club them. You don't have to hit them, man, to club them, you just have to club them. Now, thanks very much for that roundup by taking us in the modern times. Two legends of the game, Andy Maloy, Tony Boyle. Hushing's out there in the Rover, Mike. Yeah, thanks, Brennan. Called Tom Komak, one of our Highland colleagues to join us as we, we change out our, our, our panels. Tom. You're going with the older generation force. Tom, what about Sunday? Sunday called Derry. I know you've been keeping a very close eye on it and you've been scrutinising and studying how things have panned out over the last couple of weeks. How tight is this to call? How do you see it? It's going to be very tight, Ashene, I think, really. I think momentum and hunger, Maureen O'Donnell mentioned it, are with very much with Derry. You know, they've taken a couple of big scalps. They've taken the All-Ireland champions in the first round. Did it, like, annihilation job? Something similar to against Monhan in the semi-finals. So, you know, they're coming in with a lot of momentum and they've got a lot of class players. And we have to remember that they probably left Bally Bouffais last year, thinking they should have beat this. It took a brilliant part of Patrick McBrady point in the dying seconds, you know, from nowhere. Dunigal were on the back foot big time that day. So, we have seen Dunigal, they played well against Armaa the first day. I'm not sure Armaa's thoughts were fully with it. They got tied up with all these suspensions on one thing and another. And then, well, we played Kevin the last day, like people are saying, they're a Division II team. They played in Division III last year and we struggled to beat them. So, Dunigal are going to have to play at the height of their power, at the height of what they can to do what my heart says. Dunigal but my head says Derry and that's been honest about it. Let's see what happens. Where do you think I got, Brendan? Interesting, that's the man who's the sport of Derry. I'm going to throw over now with a panel up now, Rory Cavna, Patti Bradley and Eamon McGee. Patti, you're nicely sandwiched in between the two boys, not for the first time I'd imagine. Definitely not here, just knew what's playing elbows from McGee. Yeah, yeah, let's listen. Many of the tosses you and McGee said, Patti, first of all, just said you coming in there. Rory Gallar, not an intriguing Rory. It's a huge backstory to the game in terms of where he's come, been involved with Dunigal, taking for Manitou and Ulster Final, unfancy for Manitou. His work now, he's done with Derry, a job that you almost were involved in yourself. Have you been impressed with the work and how Derry have come on and where they are this season? There's no doubt they've made massive progress and I'm probably the wrong person to ask for that comes to praise for Rory, myself and himself just didn't see ETI this year over the under 20 and might be available to the players. And it's still a sore spot with me, but Lock and Furnace put that aside. They've made huge progress. You can see quite clearly the players are buying into what he wants to do. They're extremely fit, fitness levels through the roof, as fit as I've seen a Derry team in a long, long time. And now they're all buying in, as I say, and playing really, really well. He must get huge credit for that, for where they've come from. Division four only, about three or four years ago. And now in an all-star final, just great progress, and along with it continue. Yeah, and this in these two men are experts, and Rory having obviously won an All Ireland under a stewardship. Rory, you're preparing unions, of course, county champions have to get that in there. You know your stuff now as well. Like Rory's input now into Derry and what you're seeing there. People keep talking about the similarities, but football has changed a bit since then. But is it the general same template? Is it about unbelievable training and tactical know-how? And then the talent then comes after that? Is that how you're seeing Derry now? I think one of his greatest achievements has been getting the best players playing for Derry. You know, for years, there's been a lot of that club versus county divide, I suppose, probably more able to talk than me. But he's got a real good core group of players now. Yes, they're very, very fit. Yes, they have some similarities to what we had in Donegal in 2012 in terms of that counter-attacking game and really hurting. You've seen that against Tyrone and against Monaghan, but I think they're just, they have real momentum now. And many ways back in 2012 when we were playing, we were going out thinking, we're not going to be beat here. Like we're not going to be beat. We had that sort of mindset. And, you know, I look back when we were talking about this, a wee bit off air about the Keir MacFall thing. And, you know, that had the possibility to do real Derry, you know, looking in from the outside. But it just shows you, I suppose now, the focus that's in the group. They're united and they're all together because, you know, they had a fair few Glenn players that could have said, here, listen, we're going to back our body here. Miguel might be able to chat to you a wee bit about this too. But we'll not go there. But, you know, it just shows you how united they are now and they're going to be formidable. Like they really are. They're going to be really hard to stop because they said they have that momentum where it's Donegal, you know, good against Armagh. But you would have to say, stuttered over the line against Kevin. So it sets it up nicely. Yeah, if you're scaring me, I thought you were going to bring up the Kevin Ghazley story. We'll park that one for now, Eamon. I won't even go there. Eamon, listen. Not a talk here, Derry, on the momentum. Listen, as we all know, 10 finals, 12 years. Donegal played well against Armagh for the majority of the game. Played well second half the last day. The experience is there. Tarun Monin played very poorly in the day. Even though Monin created a host of chances against Derry. Now, Derry, you could say obviously added to that, but how do you see Donegal get into this in terms of all the talks around Derry and that they are almost as wasted around this trajectory that they're not going to be beat? Do you think it's a good way for us to be getting into this final? Ah, yeah, I think, you know, we have two good men at the helm there in terms of Bonner and Ratchford. And Derry are on the shop window. They've played to the top teams in Ulster. And, you know, the reality is they've showed their hands. So if the lads can, you know, make the most of that and if they can get that message across in the time they've been given, then you'd be confident. But, you know, we just go back to Rory Cavs' point there about the belief in the hunger. You know, all that tactical and all the strategies now goes out the window when you have that. And, you know, some days if you think or you believe you're going to win, you're going to win. And you have to counter for whatever mindset Rory has the lads in. Just on your point there, we kind of heard that after Tarun that Monin now seen what they're going to do and that they would be ready for that. But Derry did the exact same thing, more or less, to them. Got into this lead and dictated the game. Have we, I suppose, taken something away from Derry in terms of how good they've been? No, Derry have been. Derry have been good. Listen, they're upper in the level and you have to remember McFalls missing. Don't go bossing, right? Don't go bossing. That might have been a back story there, buddy. He's a massive loss for them, Brendan. You know, and I think if he was there, we'd have been looking at this game very, very differently now. But, you know, Donegal are in 10 Ulster Finals. You can't butt back them and look at them as favourites. All the information we've been given so far and what we've been seeing is that Donegal will be prepared for Derry, but you just don't know on the Ulster Championship Day. Yeah, Paddy McFalls. I mean, I think the man's just unbelievably talented. McKinless performance, I suppose, is maybe a lot of ways made up for him. But imagine if he was in the mix there, Paddy, because that boy is all the talent in the world. What do you think happened there? Look, top-class player. Again, there have been rumours that they had been approached by Donegal bossing from way out, you know, even during the league. There were rumours that that decision had been made. It's a disappointment, but I think, you know, fair play to Derry and fair play to Rory. You know, they parked that bus straight away as soon as they decided he was going and they reset. Just on the game in general, the one fair I have from a Derry point of view is the strength of the panel. And again, McFalls' loss, you know, adds into that. Like, Derry, the last day obviously Niall Lachlan struggled with a hamstring. Emma Bradley has been coming on the last couple of games and doing really, really well, but if Emmett's forced to start, if Niall doesn't, Niall doesn't start. I just don't know if Derry have enough strength and depth. I look at that Donegal forward line, and while Donegal are sort of maybe not playing at 100% yet, they haven't really clicked into gear, I think Donegal have six forwards that can score and can't hurt you. We're, you know, the more potential in the forward line than maybe the Derry forward line has. I'd be worried that maybe Derry won't get to the levels that they've been at, maybe the last two games, and maybe Donegal would click into gear. And as most of the boys have already said, you know, 10 finals in the last 12 years are experienced side. They know how to do one-altzer titles, and that would be my one fair from a Derry point of view that I say Donegal will click on the day, and Derry just don't manage to hit them highs again. Yeah, and Barry, kickouts, kickouts, kickouts. That's all we hear now is kickouts. I see Patton Stas here, Peter. Of course, we have, of course, a man that can spray balls and can get past presses and can do things. Patton's just an unbelievable, for me, the best in the country. Now, Lynch, obviously, put under massive pressure. I spoke to him before, probably obviously the Galway game. Now, Derry went long the last eight months and dominated the kickout at times, but the difference is Derry then are in their shape and they were putting them on under pressure, then coming through. And Derry kicked, they kicked two-five or something off their kickouts, even though they lost half of them. So the key maybe is for Derry just to go long in the game, but can you see them retreating from Donegal and letting them have their kickout and getting under the shape? Look, you missed the Galway game. I was at that game. I was actually the only nicely game I managed to get to this year, and, you know, Galway put a massive press on the Derry kickout, and Oren was very, very vulnerable that day and coughed up a few goals off the back of the kickout. Yeah, Monon put them under pressure the last day, too. I'd expect Donegal to push right up on the kickout. But as you say, if Derry do go long, which I expect they will, that's whenever you're most vulnerable, whenever you're not getting bodies back there. So, you know, I think Mal, maybe I'll tweet up about that maybe just after the game, but much Derry got off their long kickout. So I'd expect Derry to go long when most of their kickouts vary it up. You know, at times, obviously, use the short kickout. Myself and my father, when I had a chat about this over the weekend, he was sort of saying, from his point of view, he thinks it's only a matter of time before some team just decides to give up the kickout totally and put 15 men inside their own half and sort of come and break us down. The thing about doing that against Derry, there's so much pace all over the park, thrown on that, thrown, give Derry the kickout and say the likes of Britton Rogers and them attacking from deep, you know, can really, really hurt you. Yeah, really, we're not in for another 2016. Now we were ourselves in throne, just decided to do what Paddy's saying there and completely back off and go all the way to the suffocation point. Can you see that happening? Yeah, it's going to be an arm wrestle, Brendan. You know, it is. I suppose if you have a lead to protect, it's easier to drop off and say, right, come and break us down. And I suppose Derry have been really fast out of the traps in their first two games and have gotten leads against throne and again against Monah and have played into their game plan perfectly where, you know, they can invite pressure on and then break it up and go and counter. So look, I think you can see scenarios in the game where, you know, both teams will press up and they kick out and they'll drop off, depending on what the score is and all those sorts of things. You know, if they do press up and pattern, you know, they obviously can hurt you with that one over the top. So they got to be wary, but a lot will be dictated in terms of what what the actual scoreboard is and what the time enough the game is. And all those permutations will be well covered by Rory and Declan, no doubt. I'd say that, yeah, yeah. Just come back there, Brian McGaver, 2011 or what do you call it? Brian was in charge. Now you have Rory, another man in charge. That was sticky enough that final 2011, Eamon, but just what Rory's saying there, that the tactical side of it, I suppose the physical nature of it and that lead that Derry have gone under, he had points up against Monahan. You know, Monahan did take it back to three, but when you expend so much energy, you're always expecting another burst from Derry and they got that, Benny Hernhut, another goal, which was a killer blow and I think the last take is Calvin, obviously. They could have registered a point again, a part of their brilliant save in the first half. There was a couple of goal chances there. Could you see the game hinging in that game because of the defense of nature, particularly of what Derry do, if they get in their lead, we're in trouble. So there's a real psychological age to them getting a goal on us. Yeah, and I think that's what they want. Donegal won't want to give up the lead and we don't want to feed the beast because that's what Derry seem to be all about, you know, the full energy. They love the turnover and we just don't want, so we could see that kind of the work it out phase that we often see in the modern game here and it'll be interesting to see who comes out of it because if we can get that three, four point lead Derry, you're going to have to have to come out of it. I think that's the big one, that watching the Derry Monahan game, that was where I felt that we could really go after Derry with the kick out because it just seemed that the keeper was there to be got it and for even for our own, you know, Derry were setting up in a way that left him that wee bit vulnerable. So I think that's a big outlet for Donegal. Yeah, so we're looking for a few snippets tonight, Paddy, Michael McBowling's down here. Desi McFeely, he's feeding us the right information. Then we go back, Desi. Listen, Paddy, just looking at Grogan, the last day picking up McManus, you know, when I look at your full back line for years, I've been a bit jealous of it. Particularly last year, you know, I was saying if Rodgers and the Cague was in our team, it would really make us a team that would make minimum. A brilliant game the last day was great to see. And obviously, McColl has been the player of the season, I suppose, in terms of what we would expect it from him. He's been unbelievable. But your three lads in the full back line, Paddy, you know, that would be made of our forwards. But man for man, those three lads are great markers. And I suppose a big asset to your full back line. Yeah, well, Paddy, I managed Newbridge for three years. And I managed Paddy McGrogan and a fantastic player, a fantastic attitude. And he's capable of doing that, manmarking role where he's capable of actually playing a bit of football out in the half back line. It'll be interesting at the weekend, just to see who actually picks up on it. I suppose it's funny that I'm saying picks him up, where Britton Rodgers goes, because I was just saying to Neil Gallagher, 2012, Ballet Buffet, I remember Carol Lacey picked me up and I spent the day chasing Lacey. And any time, you know, any hand to block him up the field, I was just that wrecked from having followed him in the pits the whole time. Whoever marks Britton Rodgers, it's the same sort of thing. Britton Rodgers puts you in the back foot by having to chase you. Connor McCluskey very, very similar. I'd expect him to go on Jamie Brennan. He probably would expect Murphy to be matched up with Rodgers. But the one thing Donny Gull won't want is Brennan and Murphy to be chasing them two boys up and down the field all day. They want them to do their best for their work, obviously, at the forward side of things. So the match-ups are going to be very, very key. I think, obviously, Christy McKagall picked up McBirtie. They had a real good toss-all last year and expect that, the new drivers this week down again. So I talked about, you know, Donny Gull and the potential with the forward line and that's the thing about it. Derri have good defenders that are capable of snuffing them out. Yeah, certainly. I think that's the big one. Like, what the Derri lads have the match-ups for McBirtie, Murphy, you know, man for man. I think the big one is Langen. I don't see anybody just jumping out that's going to pick up Langen. And it's in them to have a big game and it'll be just interesting to see how that pans out. Do you think Roger's or McKagall follow Murphy out if he goes out the pitch? You know, I think Roger showed he's such a threat. He thinks he's going to follow Murphy, be it inside or out. And again, it's just going to go back to McKagall. He's just going to continue the job he did last year. And hopefully, he just doesn't give a patty that way moments he got last year. Yeah, yeah. He doesn't need much. That's one of the best scores I've ever seen. Roy, did Kevin show us how to use a big man? I know the words end your career. You tried to play him full-forward. You thought, I made it look easy. You tried to do it, it was dodgy enough, but... You did it quite as well. Look, he's cut me off now. Nobody believes that. I suppose with Kevin against Dunneagall, there was an occasion in that first half where they isolated them at Fielder with Ryan McHugh. And in fact, it took a tremendous save from Sean Patton, to tip that on to the bar. That goes in the back of the net. It could be a different story. Look, Murphy will play as he does. He will go inside on occasion. He'll come out. He'll go where he's needed, effectively. See that tactic, Roy, a bit of changing. I think sometimes with Bertie's, maybe we were too set inside. And obviously, Murphy's coming in and out. But we actually pulled the two of them out and dropped in. Langer and McGonagall and McGee. And just put it in the home. Because the derriere defence is going to want to be set tight. That's their favourite. So if we can, somebody open it out, and then even you could get a McHugh or a Mogan, or one of the lads in behind, one of our nippier players in behind. You don't want the McDonald's, for example. Get them in behind. Because if derriere are set like that, that's almost a break down. So just dumping it in might not be enough for you. But if you can stretch it enough to have it moving around. Because the more it's set, as Eamon will tell you, as a defender, you just want your man to be there, right, Eamon? In that zone. And let him be there. And you be in his ear, maybe. You'll take him out. The more things get moved about, the less a defender wants that to happen, right? The less thinking involves the better. Going back to that, I think derriere are more set in that they know what they are a wee bit more than McGonagall. Sometimes I find with McGonagall, they're caught between two stools at times. You know, trying to play good football. And, you know, getting that balance between defense and attack is really, really key. And at times against Kevin in particular, like McColl had acres of space in front of him either side. And, you know, Patty Lynch had a field day in there. Like, you know, Kevin really kicked ball in left, right. And he really had his hands full. I can't see them setting up like that at all. And when the stakes are so high on Ulster Final Day, I think they'll have learned. And that's why I think Dunneagall are in a good place in terms of there's a lot of learning from that calving game that they'll take into this Ulster Final and they'll really, really examine themselves. Whereas Derri might just be thinking, you know, they're on that crest of the wave. And, you know, there's probably, you know, a lot of hype in Derri as well. So to me, maybe Dunneagall might be coming in, you know, in a better place in terms of just under the radar. I'm hoping, I'm hoping. What is the hype, Paddy? Tell us the truth. Look, you've hit the nail in the head. There is a serious amount of hype, a serious amount of interest in this game. I've never seen the county at balls like it. Paddy, was it just to say is that, you know, obviously the team was down. In Dunneagall here, we actually had great support. Even the team wasn't going so well. And a few of us was involved in that. There still was a certain level of support. Whereas Derri, it seemed to be when it dropped down, the support really went away. As if the team had to get back the one and ways. And then, but now we're seeing, obviously massive, good looking football, huge in Derri Paddy. We're really seeing the people get behind the county players again. We are. And look, it's probably where we've come from. It's the fact we have been in division four only a short time ago. And I suppose everything just seems as if we're in a real upward trajectory. So there's a massive hype about it. I'd say, as I said earlier on, my main fear would be that maybe they maybe don't reach the levels that they've reached in the last two weeks. And as you say, Dunneagall haven't, you know, maybe haven't peaked yet. And, you know, as I say, Dunneagall have the experience of being in that, being on that occasion, whereas a lot of them derri players have never played in an Oster final before. So that's, that's your one fear, that they maybe just don't perform and they maybe freeze in the day away. But, yeah. And, and, and, and, Brewee Gellher, just, just to word on them, the excitement he has in the line paddy or just looking at that, was that pressure he was under? He celebrated, and obviously he's not a derri man for a start, right? I was just wondering how excited he's getting by. Do you think that's a bit of pressure he's under himself? Or is he just happy for the lads? Because he's very, very animated, you know what? He literally talked with Pep Guardiola. He's bouncing around that technically, right? You would wonder how somebody has the composure. When you see how he is animated, he has a lot on the line, has the composure to make rational decisions, you know? Because he definitely is, he's, he's hyper, but look, there's just a, the feeling out of the derri camp seems to be that there's just a real good bond between him and the players and they're all, you know, have this common goal. And there's a real good feel good, feel good factor. And I'd say it's just the pressure he puts himself on there, obviously to achieve and to, to make progress with teams. And I'd say it's just, just more delight than anything. Yeah, yeah. And then last word to you, Sunday then, you're going to call it first and everybody here, I want you to give us your, your prediction. Incredibly biased prediction, Donny Gall by four. By four? Well, yeah, in calves, are you down with that? Take that all day long, absolutely. I think it's going to be tighter than that. You know, first of all, we have to stop these fast starts that, that area have been having, you know, and. That's the manager coming out now. Make it a more nervy affair, like, so if we can take them down the stretch, I think then you could see Donny Gall's experience, maybe, you know, paying off. And as I said, we have a lot of match winners up in that forward line, you know, if it does become very tight. But I, I'm hoping Donny Gall by one or two. To Donny Gall then, Paddy, I'll leave him with you. Well, I'll have to go, I'll have to go with the heart and say, Derry, as I say, my fear is they don't reach them levels that they have been reaching. But obviously, you know, and Shane McGwigan to me, they have the best forward and ulster at the minute. He's really on song, you know, really touched on it. If Derry get the sort of space, I don't expect that they will. But if we can get good early ball in there and get him in space at all, I think Brent and McCullough have been for a long afternoon. And I think Derry will just do enough to want it. Goals are going to be key. You know, any, any one goal could be, could be the difference in one illusion of the game here. But I think I'll say my heart have to go with Derry. Yeah, fantastic stuff, yes, Eamon? Yeah, no, I just see Neil Gallar down there amongst the crowds and make sure he asks him up. No, he's, I think he landed. He wants to jump on the show here. That's fantastic stuff. Eamon McGee, party brilliant, Rory Cabin, fantastic. Go for it, Oshing. Thanks, Brendan. I'm going to ask Brian McLaughlin, former Donegal players at Michael's Clubman to join us as well, Brendan, as we change out the panel and get the third panel up. By the way, the Ulster Council said today the game is going to be a sellout. There's no tickets going extra on sale through the GAA or Ticketmaster or anything like that this evening or tomorrow, other days after. So it's going to be a sellout for it. Brendan's just getting the rest of the boys to organise. Brian, we'll step on here because we'll make it run over by John Gilday and Neil Gallarher. So, Brian, big game. Derry Donegal, what was your experience like of Derry Donegal games? They were always hard games, Oshing. You know, the way he played Derry was always going to be a tough, tough, hard battle, like, you know, so it's got the makings of it. It's going to be a good game. You see the game last year, like the very little between the two teams. So, but I think going back to it, I think Donegal's going to have the squad. Like, you know, it's going to be about the 20-man game and I think we're going to be on the day. We're going to be hopefully too strong for them, you know. How do you stop the Derry momentum? We need to stop the goals. Obviously, you know, you see they've scored two, three goals in the last couple of games. So that's stopping them early on. Keep the goals out. And I think we, you know, they've won very good forward there, you know, if we can, you know, curtail them to a certain extent. You know, I think we'll, you know, Donegal will be hard beat in the weekend. Eamon, thanks for points. You'll take that. Will you, or will it be closer? No, I think, like, I think we're five, six points going to be too good for them on Sunday. Listen, can we get the goals? Because they're talking a little bit, stopping Derry goals and Derry good starts, but I think all of goal getters as well. We do, aye. And I think, like, they've been, they've been, Donegal's only been kind of ticking along there. So I think there's a big game on them on Sunday. So, so hopefully we'll, we'll get a couple of goals on Michael Langans among them. I look forward to, thanks, Brian. Brian McLaughlin there. So Michael's clubman, former Donegal player. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Brendan. Good man, good man. Brian looks a wee bit tired there. Of course, back up change in nappies now. We, we, Brian O. there. I, I'll be cradling them later. Listen folks, just to our next panel here, we have Michael McMullen of Gilly Glyph. We have big, the one, the only big Neil Gallar. And of course, John Gilday, Glenty's man, but he's moved to the, the meantime Donegal later. Can I now, of course, where else would he want to be? Listen, I'm going to go to you first, Michael. Dairy man, of course, me and you, Michael. We spoke on the 31st of January. And my last question was, yeah, give it to me straight as a Dairy man. How's Donegal going to do this year? And you were like, we are not going to win a Ulster, because we are. And I did, I could laugh for a second, but I was like, it's possible. It's definitely possible. You were like, it's definitely possible. We're going to win Ulster. And here you are, Michael, on the E, on the week of an Ulster final potential victory. How does it feel? It's just great. Like some of that, we're talking about the hype, and there certainly is a great buzz. But when I said that to you, Brendan, it was probably ingest a wee bit, because I fully believe we would beat Taroun. And if you beat- You actually said you'd do a 2006 on them, which you did. Yeah, I suppose the Galway game, maybe sets a wee bit of doubt, but I went with my gut and I expected into one. And I suppose when you beat Taroun, there's no reason why you can't win Ulster. And I suppose now we're here, you just get as greedy as hell, and you want to win it. So there's no point in changing me mind now. So fingers crossed, it goes that way. And Paddy mentioned, obviously, as I said, GAA is massive, as much as it is anywhere in the country, and Derry, but obviously it has fallen off from the support of the county team. Was it brilliant to see that colour back and that interest again, and Derry, and I suppose that infusion, because your colleges teams have been brilliant, probably the best in Ulster. You know, you've had on their age, winning teams, your club teams, or whoever wins the Derry Championship is maybe favourites to one Ulster. Can you believe the journey now that Derry have gone on to go so low? Did you think that this has to come back, or have you been surprised by the speed of which it is? I think whenever Derry went to Division Four, I remember writing an article in the paper about the decade of decline. Like, Derry was just dropping the divisions like a stone, but at the same time they were winning school titles, club titles, just regularly. And you sort of knew that if you get your structures in place, there's a good chance you'll move up the divisions. So I'm not surprised we're back challenging again, but I'm probably surprised it's as quick as this, and it probably is a wee bit of a fairy tale at this stage. But to be honest, I think that's what feeds into it, because we were so low so recently that I think Derry people are just mad to get jumping onto something they can get behind. And thankfully for us, it's here right now, we're in a final, and it's just amazing, you know? It is indeed, so you sat down, and that's that lovely shiny head of yours. That's what I was calling it out there, my apologies. Listen, here's the big thing about Sunday. We have Michael Murphy, right? And I know you taught him, you taught him well, you always tell me that. We have him, that's the difference. Aye, and you taught me, now you always tell me that. Before I started to answer that, now even McGee was trying to be smart earlier, but I think he is a lot to thank Rory Geller for, because as far as I can remember, Rory's the only dunnigol manager who didn't kick him off the panel at some stage of his career. But now, Murphy, now listen, he'll be like a bear this week, you know, we're just making him mad to get at the match, like you know, and listen, I think the battle between him and Bren Rogers, I would say, I would go on him, like I like the way Rogers plays, like he just goes out and plays, it doesn't seem to be no-one, you know, slides in and stuff, it just plays the game and attacks and plays, and even sometimes you see him there, he's smiling away and stuff and having the crack, like you know, but he's a competitive player in that, you know, but like Murphy will be, you know, he'll be well up for it, like and I think, you know, if they keep him on site, like I know he'll come out and stuff and all, but like if you put yourself in a full-backs position, like you don't want to see him on there, like and balls running on top of him, like especially Patrick and Jamie Brennan that often, like you know, they'll be kind of, you know, there's danger in there, like you know, so... No-one them as you do, just looking at him, the few injuries there and different things, obviously he's sending off last year, that ball he went down for, you could tell, he wasn't properly fit, and just looking at him in some of the games there, seeing Armad at point he hit in the first half, I mean that's just Murphy, and then the second half, some of the runs he made, when Murphy's doing that, I know we're going to win the match. You know, there are very few players around the country that will do that. His heart is sold away, he guides that team. I'm just wondering, for you being in the dressing room, and Neil, he's only a kid when he can play him, and me, that was the last year I ended up playing, but his influence on that whole team and setup, it must be at this stage phenomenal, it must be as big as, listen, a boner, I mean, in terms of what he puts in this team, it must be massive. Ah, like without a shadow without, like I mean just, you know, I think still there are revolves around him, and like the standards that he drives, like I mean, if you're like, you know, Connor Donald, or you know, Shane O'Donnell, the boys that are just new into the panel, like you know, when you're kicking ball on them, or fair, you're passing them stuff, you're not going to get them a bad ball, or you're not going to get caught in possession, stuff, because it's like, you know, he's on there and he has that influence over them. You're going to want to impress them, and stuff like that, you know, as leadership qualities, it's just... Is that like the first eight in Castle Fun, when we, when I was speaking to you, it's really the first eight you're up to remember that? You were like, can't be on ice, these big legs, we're going everywhere. Little did I know that command and man, you were going to become as they... The first night I was up, Gilday just emptied me my shoulders, just, you know, I remember that all right, but no, listen, he's just, like his competitiveness, even at like, you know, whatever it is, 32 or whatever now, he's just, he's mad, they won, and you can see it on him, like, and even the way he can control games too, like he kind of knows when to come out, knows when to go back in again, you know, and listen, he'll just be, you know, he'll be mad, they won, you know. Yeah, John, tactics, tactics, tactics. The game has got so tactical now. Let's take that all back. Let's take it to Rory Geller, who learned his tactics, or twinned his tactics with Jim, which all came from the Goodneve Connell, of course. Where it all started, John, do you see this, this game playing out as a real kind of masterclass of counter-attack, which you guys, I suppose, started and perfected? Well, I suppose that's Rory's pedigree, in the sense that, you know, he was maybe ultra-defensive in the last couple of years with Donegal, to probably a lot of criticism, because we wanted to move away from that, and he's gone in and done exactly the same thing with Fermanna, and he did exactly the same thing now with Derry. So you know what you get from Rory, he has an incredibly fit, motivated side. I think what we've found with Declan over maybe the last 12 or 24 months is maybe subtle change in the way Donegal played, moving away from maybe a more defensive outfit, and I think that's down to the personnel that we have as well. We've lost so many quality defenders in the Frank Midlands, Eamon, you know, Carl Lacy, Antony Thompson, etc., and they're very, very difficult to change out, and we have a much more attack-oriented half-back lane right now, even the full-back lane, so we're limited in what I would think is, you know, natural defenders outside of McCall and McMenham, and the rest of them are all ball players, you could see them as easy playing in the half-forward lane, as in the defense, but I think it'll be a very cagey match, just like what Rory said earlier, it'll, you know, Donegal won't be as naive as Monon, I felt Monon were very naive, and I thought maybe they didn't show Derry the respect that they deserved after the Tarot match, there was too much well-Tarot missing seven of the panel, yada, yada, yada, and they got caught, and I think Monon bought into that a little bit, you know, for the amount of space that was down the middle in an Ulster Championship match was just crazy, so I don't think we'll be that naive, and I think it'll be very cagey early on, and I think it's, you know, on a big day like that, it's how men step up to the plate, we know what Donegal are going to bring, we know what the big Donegal players, because they've been there before, and it'll be interesting to see how that young Derry said that hasn't been there before, how they adapt on the big day, how they deal with the hype, all that type of stuff that they haven't dealt with before, and then if they come and if they don't perform, then, you know, it's Donegal's day, I think it'll be very, very touching goal, it'll be very tight for 40 minutes, and then a break of ball one way or another, and the game will run away from itself. Yeah, Michael, we talk about rivalry a lot, you know, us and Throne in particular, Monaghan as well, how do you see, like in 1992, 1993, the boys was talking, there was a big rivalry, you have to hit Derry and all that stuff, do you think that's gone out of the game now because of the tactics, the way teams are almost pulling off each other, in terms of, they're not actually in each other's faces as much as they would have been in the Mandy-Man days, and I suppose that heart and guts is kind of gone from the game, it's tactics now, it's about being calm and cool, do you think the rivalry now with us and Derry getting in this game is, it's a bit of a strange one, you know, there's, I suppose, I'll not say that there's going to be obviously a battle on the pitch, but that, I think, throwback to those early days, you don't see that anymore, that kind of real tough competitor stuff, it's all about now composure and skill and keep the ball in that, it's probably taken away a bit of that blood and guts out of the game, do you think? I think it has, and I think that's what's going to be key to Sunday has been cool in the game, like I watched a wee bit of Donegal and Armaa in the championship and that was built to be blood and thunder, I think it was the 21st minute, Ethan Rafferty kicked the ball out of the sideline and it was the first time you saw anybody actually grabbing somebody by the throat or anything or any sort of bite, and that stage of the game has nearly settled down, that's all gone, you don't really see it at the start of the game, so, and I think that probably a game that's going to be as low-scoring and cagey as I expect, only to be as calm as everything, and I think that's probably what's sticking to Rory along the line, like he's kicking every single ball, he's just going crazy along the line, but he's able to, he's able to tune in, how he does it, I have no idea, and I think that energy seems to radiate onto the players, I think that's what's probably driving a bit of Terry's energy, if I'm honest, but, you know, there's no room for that anymore than asking this, because I'm sure a referee could just put their lights out in five minutes, it's too important now, you know, so you can't afford to do that, and I suppose that Donny Galsman into a final, their 10th and 12 years, Terry's coming in new, to me I think the pressure's on Donny Galsman to deliver on Sunday, because to be fair, most people, the Terry squad will be hungry for success and will put their own pressure on themselves, but I think the Terry public feel there's a team growing, whereas Donny Galsman, I think, the pressure's there to win an Ulster title, because they're probably seen as all Ireland contenders in a lot of categories, so I think Terry have to detach themselves from that rivalry and just focus on themselves. Yeah, yeah, and listen, Neil, what do you think about that, the heat coming out, you're a man, remember you hit me a box one day in the championship, you broke two of my rubs, it's them bad digs now, they got out of the game or, if you were playing in the Masters, don't remember that now, no, listen, well, I think, I mean, and McKay will go on Patrick, like, you know, I mean, they've played each other for a long time, Neil, you can still care to unmark each other and stuff, like, and that'll be a great battle, like, and I think maybe if Morphe goes out to field, you know, Gareth McHendless is a little more common, they've played each other in club games, the two of them went two to two, like, and on the other side then, like, Shane McGwigan, like, he's a great player to watch, like, you know, he's kind of a lucif, and he can score off either foot and all, like, and I think maybe Owen Bann or something like that might go on him, and like, I think there'll be plenty, kind of a, around the medal as well, by glass as well, like, against the, you know, Hugh McFadden, Keeley McGonagall, Jess McGee, like, there's going to be great battles there, like, that'll be interesting, like, it's, you know, I think if Derek kind of got a good enough start, like, you know, might be kind of, they'll try and make Rory, Rory, like, he knows, nobody knows Dunnig all better, like, so, I mean, you know, he'd be looking to get ahead, like, and kind of trying to hold that, lead them and stuff, you know, if it was going to be this Keeley McGonagall, like, and, like, they're fat, like, Derek, or flying fat at the minute, like, but hopefully now our boys can get a good start and get ahead, you know, and kind of make Derek come out and play, but then, you know. Yeah, yeah, and John, last word, do you ever run out of time here? As Ashie mentioned, being in a few finals, didn't get across the line. Rory Gellar is the same at this point, you know, but Dunnigall, I'm with Fermana, is there a bit of pressure that, that this is going to happen for him on the day, do you think that's good ending to play on this game? Yeah, I think it will. You know, there's, there's supposed to be different types of pressures coming from both camps, Dunnigall, seasoned team, Ulster Finals, probably need to, need to, need to win this one, you know, we lost the one to Kevin that we should have won, and then we got caught, so there's, there's that pressure on that side of the equation. Rory hasn't delivered Ulster titles and it's hanging over him. And, you know, I look at Rory's antics on the line and, and they're great and, you know, the TV cameras love it and the crowd love it and the pumping of the fist. That's all great when things are going well. And then things don't go so well and you're not jumping around the place, that can filter into the Derry team as well very quickly in the sense that he's not the enthusiastic bubbly jumping around character and what's going on there and what's happening. So, my gut is that, I think Dunnigall have a big game of them, nothing better than going into a final under the radar. All the talk about Derry couldn't have scripted it better. And I think with Big Michael and some of those lads, like, you know, at the end of the day, he's been the most inspirational player for Dunnigall for the last 15, 16 years, but he's not getting any younger. He's not going to have many more of these big days. They come to the end for everybody and I think he'll have extra motivation because of that and then he's dragging this new young crop of players through as well. So I think it'll be exciting. I think it could be terribly, you know, 15 behind the ball both sides and mightn't be the most entertaining until maybe the last 15 or 20 minutes and then all hell breaks loose. So, brilliant stuff. John, thanks for reading it up there. Oshin. Thanks, folks. Thank you, sister Sarah. Oshin will be covering the game Sunday. Oshin will keep it entertaining. Basically, if Rory Gallar is spitting the hands a lot, we're in bloody trouble. Hopefully he's not and Dunnigall will come through. I want to thank Kevin on sound there, Oshin, to see the production. As I say, everybody came tonight. Our panelists, all the media guys. Thanks very much. The DL debate with sister Sarah's letter, Kenny, serving food you'll love till 9pm daily in Sarah's kitchen. And there's free admission entertainment every weekend.