 Of course, please. Hello, thanks. Can you hear me? I can. Okay, great. Wonderful. And Tara? Hi, Melanie. Hi. Oh, my God. Sometimes I'm like, oh wait, I should probably not have got my master in this meeting. I have to like consciously think that. Yeah. How are you? Have you stayed healthy? I have. I have. I've been taking every medicine in my cabinet Sunday for Italy and I'm trying to stay well. Yep, exactly. Yeah. Good. Yeah, we haven't been there so either so it's good. Oh yeah, is it really cold there? Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. It's known a little bit yesterday, but I don't think it stays around, but it's cool. Yeah. I was like, why aren't we going in the winter again? Because my son's a farmer and he can't go in the summer, but. Oh, yeah. Oh, I have a fabulous time. I think we will. I'll come back 10 pounds heavier for sure. I don't know. I always think that when I go traveling and then because I walk so much and I'm like constantly moving and the food, I don't know, there's something different about the food. I always am like, oh, I lost a pound. This is great. We'll still be a dinner area for every day. And it's like, we're going to eat here for lunch. We're going to eat here for dinner. Okay. So, well, maybe, yeah, maybe. Yeah. This time. Hi, Ann. Hi guys. Hi. Where are you going? I didn't hear the destination. Oh, Italy. Oh my gosh. Meet my son's fiance's family. Wow. Oh my gosh. I'm going to spend five days in Reggio Emilia. Oh my gosh. Northern part of Italy. There's a famous art school there. Oh, that's so cool. Yes. That's a method. The regio. Yeah. Is a very, very cool thing with little kids. Oh my gosh. She's an artist. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, I've never been. It's on my list. Oh, okay. We're going to spend like five days in Rome and Bologna. We're going to spend like five days in Rome and Bologna. We're going to spend like five days in Rome and Bologna. Oh, come back with some photos and stories. I'm sure. Yeah. Food. Yeah. Tasting. Hi. How are you? I'm good. Good. My, my council. My person that appointed me on the council, who I meet with Natalie is the mayor. That's right. I know. I was joking. I'm going to tell my friends that I text with the mayor now. She's so down to earth. It's so very funny. She texts me. She's like, Ann, I'm the mayor. So funny. I love it. Yeah, she's pretty neat. I met her when I was doing some canvassing with Victoria. Actually. She and I went to. Hi. She and I went to. People who had signs up on Victoria street. We're not recording, right? No, we're not. We're not recording. We're not recording. That was. Opposition. We knocked on the door. It's like, well, now why do you have these signs up? Let's talk about this. Yeah. She let me do all the talking. I love it. Yeah. Great. Oh yeah. I know. And she won Victoria. That took a long time to find out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, while we have a minute here, Tara, let me tell you, I just talked to criminal baking company. Yeah. And they sound like they would, they're open to doing some stuff for us for the. Awesome. Denication. So it would be self-serve. But it would, they would set it up and it would look nice. Nice. So would it be the. Like people would buy their own thing or we would pay them. We would pay them. Yeah. Yeah. So I, because I was telling her like for my, maybe a hundred people. So I got a prices for a hundred people for hot chocolate or cider. And cookies. Oh perfect. I think that would be really great. Yeah. Yeah. And she said their trays or. You could, they present nice though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's fantastic. Is that date? Is that date? Yeah. January 26. Oh good. I didn't hear that. Great. Yeah. I don't think we told anybody yet. Oh good. No, I didn't miss it. I'm going like, we're missing anything. Yeah. It's a secret. It's a moving target and we're like a 99% sure now that's the firm date, but it's like, oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be sending out. It was the 27th and I emailed all these people and I was like, wait, update. Give me the, it's 29. 26. 26. Okay. I've got it down. Yeah. And I won't actually be able to attend. I will unfortunately be out of the country on that day. So. Wow. Okay. Where are you going? I will be in New Zealand. Oh, okay. Cool. Cool. I will be trekking across the southern island of New Zealand. Much needed vacation. In the summer, right? Yeah. It'll be peak summer down there. Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I'm very excited, but yeah. And fortunately we'll be missing the dedication ceremony. We'll hold it up. I've been talking to a lot of people about the eventual dedication. So I hope to drum up some excitement and support. And we'll just pass that along. You'll be able to see it before you leave because right now, their tentative. Schedules to install it. Between December 27th and December 30th. Actually bring the piece. And set it down on its base. And then the fence should come down. Right after like a day after. And so those first couple weeks of January, you'll be able to check it out before you leave. Oh, that would be great. It's not going to stay behind the fence until we unveil it. I thought that one through and I just don't think we can do it. I mean, I feel like we could, we mean, we could leave the fence up until like the day of the event. But I mean, I guess that's something that maybe you, me and Jeff and Jessica can. Have a quick powwow on. I mean, it will cost another $1,000 for the fence rental because they don't prorate it. So there's that, that's, that's one consideration. But not the end of the world. And then I think it's, we were afraid that like, it would be a bigger impact on the square. And so far it hasn't been too bad. So I would just want to check on any events that we're needing that space. If there were any in January, I don't know if there is though. So that might not be a consideration after all. Hi. Since we are rolling toward four o'clock, I'm going to go ahead and start the stream. I just want to let everybody know before I do. Okay. Thanks. Great. So we'll, we'll connect about that soon. Okay. Sounds good. Okay. I'm just going to wait and see those cookies and was going to put on that cake stand or something. Oh, she didn't have her headphones on. We wanted to know what you were putting on that cake stand, Dan. I know that's why I always, I, it just easier on my neck or something. If it's a little bit higher. Yeah. I would wait for the cake to appear. I know I'm not a baker. So no, that is not what's happening, but I'm not a baker. I'm not a baker. And I have stacked up my old art history books from college. You got to have some sort of platform. I know it's so true. Buddy. Well reminder that I need to take butter out of the fridge right after I get off this meeting. I am actually using some baking tonight. Yes. Oh no. Nice. I know I need to make some cookies. That's one thing I want to do. Yeah. My sister-in-law had a recipe that she said her kids were. Just wowed with. So I was like, oh, I got to try that. My neighbor just brought that exact kind of feel over and they're really good. It's, it's an interesting combo. I like it. Yeah. It all. I'm taking some vacation time, but really the only days that are actual holidays for us are. The holidays. I'm going to be on the 26th. And the second. Okay. Hi, y'all. How are we doing? Hi. Happy Thursday. I just have to check. I was like, what is this? It's the holidays, y'all. It's time to lay and disappear. And just so you know, I also saw the cake stand and I literally thought she's going to use it as a stand. I said, brilliant. Cause I'm literally on. I'm at my, um, my brother-in-law's place and I literally was like looking where, but I need a shoebox. I need something. Exactly. I know. I was like, this isn't working. It's perfect. I couldn't tell that you could see it. That's funny. I would just pay attention to what I was doing. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I don't think we talked about this. Are you and Kevin going to be sharing the presentation from your screen or do you need us to run it? Kevin will be sharing it. Kevin will be screen sharing. Are you out of the state? Are you? No, I mean. I'm in LA. Oh, good. Good. I was in like New York City last week. You know, I would say that that drive to LA, if it was just four hours, even five hours, but it's that extra two or three hours that really gets me. Yeah. Especially getting up to, if you're coming up, when she got to get across the bridges and come up again, it's too much. I know. And the fives, the fives. It's just the bad guys. I just see beautification. It's true. Hello everyone. My mom told me that she really wanted to go to Switzerland specifically just to see cows. And I told her that she just lived way too close to the Central Valley. To go. I with her in a year up to see cows. The answer is literally. County. Yeah. I love it. Drive out to Point Reyes and go see some happy cows at the coast. Yeah. I always, I always look at them under shaggy ones like the Scottish cows. I'm like, man, if I ever come back to the cow, that's the cow. And that's the place I want to be. There's a farm in the city of Boston, just not far from my apartment. And they have two Highland cattle, two Highland steers. And they, I mean, yeah, compared to the Sonoma County cows, they're just so sad. It's like snowing. They're in this little barn. Like, why do we live in Boston? Right. Why are we here? Oh no. I've got personally everybody else in Boston's like, why do we live here? What are the cultural identity of the city? Is it snowing now? Are you getting part of the storm that's coming in? Are you going to have it? You know, one of the nice things about being close to the ocean is that a lot of it turns to rain by the time it gets to us. So all this kind of, I mean, you know, Vermont and Western mass, you know, it's just getting like a lot of snow this weekend, but we're just getting pretty consistent rain for the next couple of days. Okay. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's enough rain to shut down the 101 for. Right. But here it's just doesn't sprinkle there. No, exactly. Where is everybody? I know. I'm texting some folks. Okay. So, what's the record of who said they could attend today? The only person that I know, can't attend was Sayers. That's the only one I knew too. Okay. Let's see if I get any responses back. Great. We had a couple more minutes. While people are still trickling in, thank you all so much for taking the time to meet one on one with me over these last couple of weeks. It's been really. It's been really great. It's been really just helpful. I've been so kind of excited by our conversations that I keep like in our planning conversations with Nico, I'm like, and then there's this, and then there's this, and he's like, right, but we are very specifically right now working on this. One thing at a time. I love it. By the way, he was talking, I was like, I think Tara has a new employee. Yeah, you're hired. More cows in your future. It's come to come. Yes. All right. We officially have a quorum. Oh, there's Lisa. All right. We do have Lisa. I'll wait for her to join. There we go. Hi, Lisa. Hello. Hello. Good afternoon. Yeah. Yes. Cold afternoon. Yeah. For here. Yeah. All right. In the interest of keeping this meeting on schedule, I will be kicking off our meeting this afternoon. Welcome everyone to the December 15th special meeting of the art and public places committee. A little bit of housekeeping pursuant to government code section five, four, nine, five, three E and recommendation of the health officer of the county of Sonoma. Art and public places committee members will be participating in this special meeting via zoom webinar. Thank you. Recording secretary, can you please let the members of the public know how they can participate in today's meeting? Yes. Members of the public wishing to speak during public comment. For items listed on the agenda, we'll be able to do so by utilizing the raised hand feature in zoom or by pressing star nine on their phone. They will then be given the ability to address the committee. Great. Thank you, Eileen. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you all. Eileen, if you could please take roll call for the committees on our zoom today. Absolutely. Member point us. Member bound card. Vice chair Jones Carter. Here. And chair keeper. Present. Let the record reflect that all members are present with the exception of member as Darian. Member Nathanson and member Sayers. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Public comment now for items not on the agenda. Eileen. We don't have that on the agenda. It's not required for special meeting agenda for the special meeting. Okay. Then in the spirit of keeping going, I will move on to item three scheduled items. Item 3.1 workshop. Number four. Authentic relationships in program design presented by the public arts committee. And the public art program. At this time, I'll hand it over to Tara to give an introduction to our team. And thank you for being on. Hey, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for giving an introduction to our team. And thank you for being on. Hey, everybody. I don't need to say much. You all know Nico and Kevin, they've been amazing to work with throughout this process. I'll just turn it over to them to lead us through this final workshop agenda. Thanks. Awesome. Hi, y'all. Thank you for having us again today, showing up with a lot of gratitude on our. Professional development. For those tuning in watching, we'll watch the link later. My name is Nico Kimms and I'm the founder of changing creative and arts and equity consulting groups are workers to create greater communities of belonging. And that kind of starts with our co collaborators here, the APPC and. You know, I was just thinking back to our last professional investigated community-based participatory research. And there's this phrase that just continues to be stuck in my mind about moving from transactional relationships to transformational relationships. So to start us off in that spirit, I would just love to, to me there's no better way to move from transactional to recognizing that we're all complex human beings showing up on a Zoom room today, Thursday at four o'clock than to starting just with gratitude as we kind of either are easing into the holidays or running full sprint and we'll hit a wall at some point. But just would love to start with gratitude of how we're showing up to move into more transformational relationships. And so I'll kind of start and then I'll pass it off. But I'm just showing up with a lot of gratitude for this collective, getting to know who the humans behind the APPC that we've heard about that we've been in more relationship with through our task force meetings or our PDs and the hearts that you have for the community that you serve. And just to kind of really join that and see how we can best support that because really believe in the what happens when community needs artists and the potential, the possibility. So really, really excited about that and really showing up thankful for that. And I'll pass it to Anne. You're unmuting. Sorry about that. I'm having gratitude for just a lot more connections in the city right now. I was just telling some people that the person that appointed me onto this board committee is now the mayor. She's a council person who just they take turns in our smaller city. If you don't know that kind of model and that she got elected by her peers to be the mayor. And I had recently had a long meeting up with her and kind of connecting lives. And then her wanting to know about what we're doing and wanting to establish more of a communication back and forth about it. And so it was just like, I didn't really, she was even interested. And it was just like opening up another relationship. And then I was the funny part of the next morning she texted me and said, Anne, I'm the mayor now. And because it had happened the night before that she had that she got voted in. So it was making me laugh. Just the funny things that you can feel on the outside and we're really all on the inside. And I'm just finding lots of places in the city that are feeling like inside and I want to bring more people into that. Yeah. Come on, transformational relationship. I'll pass it to chairkeeper. Great. Thank you. This afternoon, I want to express gratitude for the artists in our community and for the continued relationships that I've been able to foster with some artists. And I, the other day had a coffee and a nice hangout with a good friend who is an artist in our community and wanted to hear more about her experience and her show that she is having artwork in that just opened up today. So I'm very excited for new opportunities for artwork as, or sorry, it's an existing space but new artwork being shown there. And for just kind of the ever evolution of how our artists take opportunity to express what's meaningful and connect with our community. So I'm very optimistic and very grateful for the artists in our community. Love that. Great. I will pass off. And member Nathanson, we're just kind of going around expressing gratitude is what we're showing up grateful for today. Member point 10. Yeah. So I have some, I have gratitude for the group of people that I'm able to be in as of today and how we are acknowledging where we're at and where we need to be and how we wanna move forward and progress. And we're willing to work together to take these steps and to move forward. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. I'll pass it to Vice Chair Joan Carter. Hope on mute as well. I said, okay, I'm thanking. I think I'm grateful for the fact that people committed to this process that we're going through right now with the eventual outcome that people feel rededicated to the committee and more action can be taken from the committee. That's what I'm hoping I can be grateful for. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I'll pass it to member Nathanson. Hi, everybody. I'm sorry I'm not a few minutes late to this session. I was in another meeting that ran over as the story of my life. But I'm grateful for being here, actually. And I'm actually very grateful to be able to work professionally in the arts and to have the majority of what happens in my life, the interaction with creative people, the cultural community, and to be able to contribute in the manner that I can. And to just be a collaborator and partner in culture and the arts and in this particular community, which I find really inspiring. Amazing. Yes. Yes. Thank you. And I'll pass it to Tara. Hi, everybody. I'm thankful for all of the committee members and our wonderful consultants for committing to this process, as others have said. I'm also grateful for our team of people behind the scenes that you don't see very much helping us run all of these meetings as currently we're troubleshooting an issue, which I'll have to tell you about in just a minute. So, yeah, thank you to just everyone for bringing everything you have and what you are able to give at these meetings. It varies sometimes. And I want to respect that. Some days are not the same as another day. And just whatever you can bring is really appreciated. That goes for everyone. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Amazing. I mean, there's so much overflow here of gratitude and I'll get to yours, Kevin, as I intro you. But I'm especially grateful for Kevin who will be facilitating this last professional development with us. Kevin is a dear friend of mine. He is a dramaturg. And if you don't know what that is, that's okay. He's a consultant. He is a creative producer at Art Emerson and at multiple other organizations and was his amazing advocate for more inclusive theater space and performing industry. And I'm just so incredibly grateful that he's going to take us to the journey today of implementing our newly learned muscles and what that means for this committee. And so I'm going to pass it off to my dear friend Kevin here and Kevin to start us off. What are you grateful for? How are you showing up for gratitude, my friend? I am grateful for, I feel like we are in a stocked pantry. Like I feel like there are so many great like ingredients in this group and in the city of Santa Rosa and just like in the PDs that we've had, like this is like a season finale episode of Chopped and what I am like hoping that we do today is like look at some containers and be like, what are we actually cooking here? And we'll come up with something great or we'll come up with a few ways to go about cooking something great. So yeah, I'm just really grateful for all that's possible. It's not always a given every day that we get to think about what could be. Sometimes we're so in the go of it. We don't get to stop and be like, wait, why are we doing what we're doing and who are we doing it for? And how can we do it better and how can we have better impact? And so I'm always grateful to be able to take a little bit of time outside of the kind of race to say like, who are we and let's do this better? Before I dive in, Tara, I just love the technical difficulties. So I wanted to give you a second to see if there's something you'd like to share with us. Yes, thank you. Eileen may chime in with more information but unfortunately two meetings that are city meetings that are happening concurrently were created in Zoom with the same person's account. This being one of them and our design view board being another, they start at 4.30 and they have to continue their meeting and essentially adjourn because they don't have a quorum to deal with the issue that's on their agenda. So we are being asked to end our meeting at 4.20, take a 15 minute break and reconvene at 4.40, some, no, I don't know, sorry. Eileen, could you go over the exact times of what we can expect here and thank you all for your patience and understanding. I'm so sorry about this. It's a very unusual and unprecedented situation for us. Eileen, are you there? Could you give us the exact timing that we need to go by? I'm sorry, I forgot to hit unmute. We will be stopping the meeting at 4.25 and then I will be restarting it right at 4.40, right after that, if you all want to come back on using the exact same webinar information, we'll be good to go. So, again, so sorry about that interruption, but Kevin, I just want to see in the next nine minutes, is there anything you want to get us started on that we could take those 15 minutes to work on? Is there anything like that that might fit into our agenda here? That is a great question. Okay, we're going to do a little bit of some work on the fly here. So stick with me, all right? I am going to do this. I'm going to share my screen. I'm going to get into presenting mode here and actually I'm going to get out of presenting mode. We're going to skip my joke about being the person that emails you all the time. And we're going to just show a little bit of a spoiler alert. So when we have a little bit more time, what we're going to do is that we're going to look at the highlights of the past few PDs and we're going to think about kind of things that, so Koro shared things that Lindsey shared, things that Danny shared and really revisit those principles. And then what we're going to do is we're going to apply them to, as I understand the two aspects of the annual work plan. I've watched a lot of your meetings. We've spent a ton of time together that you don't even know about. So thank goodness for the public record. And yet I cannot claim any kind of expertise in the kind of intricacies of these processes. So as we go through these kind of looks at what you've put forward, stop me, correct me. I'm really looking at Utah for things at the city with things like, oh, wait, hold on. And I'm looking for you, the members of the APPC to say, actually, we have a different vision for this or we think this might work differently. And what I want to emphasize is two things. As we go through these kind of different focuses of Community Advisory Board and the toolkit, we are not obviously in a position to make any decisions today. And the benefit of that is that we can just talk, right? We don't have to worry about motions or seconds or quorum or approval. This is actually just that space to kind of talk through what does that all of this mean and what do we actually want to achieve with this and how do we do it with diversity, equity, inclusion, access, belonging, honoring the artist's voice and considering the role of the community as collaborator. OK, so that's one thing. And then the way that we're going to do that, as it's said in the nice little copy about this session, we're going to kind of split it into three sections. Nico and I are theater people. It's a curse. We can't get away from it. But we split everything into pre-production, production and post-production, right? Casting, building sets, opening night, and then getting people on unemployment. So we're going to transfer that over to the work of the APPC today, thinking about what are the steps and considerations we make when approaching a project? What happens when this project is working and going and in go mode? And then what happens after? How do we intentionally communicate the learning so that the next time we approach a process, it's done better? So some questions that we will look at together are for something like the Community Advisory Board, why are we doing it? Who needs to be there? What do they need? What does the APPC need? What resources do we already have? And what resources do we need? So I'm going to be asking these questions in real time. So in our brief adjournment, I would love for you all to have some answers ready and to think about who is really a question of diversity? What do they need is really a question of equity. Not everybody needs the same thing in the same way. And so how are we designing something like a Community Advisory Board to meet people where they're at and to honor their needs? What does the APPC need? Something that's so important when building partnerships is it's not charity, it's collaboration. And so it is your partners will feel honored when they know what you need from them and you are transparent about it. And then therefore they can be transparent about what they need from you. So what does the APPC need? What resources do we already have? And then what resources do we need? The answers to both are money. But maybe there's others. Maybe there are things that we haven't considered about how we can find impact in this work. So essentially the same questions we will look at time permitting in, let me just shush, shush, shush, shush, shush. We're going to just skip forward the old fashioned way. I know that we're coming on adjournment time on the toolkit. Who is this toolkit for? This toolkit, first of all, I loved this meeting because you all fought for this toolkit. Tara was like, I don't know guys, it's a full year. And the members of the APPC were like, this is the hill for me. I'm here for this toolkit. So let's get into it. Who is the toolkit for? Who are you making it with? Who does what? Whose job is what in making this toolkit? How was the toolkit made accessible? And how does it stay relevant? I love a strategic plan because a strategic plan makes a beautiful paperweight. It makes a beautiful filler in a bookshelf. I love it. We don't want the toolkit to be like that. We want the toolkit to be a living, breathing document that people engage with, that people update, that people say, I tried that and it didn't work. Or this worked better than I ever imagined it could. So here's my testimony in this toolkit 3.0 about how great it was getting my mural approved. So these are the things that we will dive into when we come back in just a few minutes. And what I will do is I have just downloaded those slides and I'm gonna send them into an email and send them to Tara. If you could please send those out to our committee members here to review, have those questions. And what I will also say, Kevin, if you wanna pop up the consideration slide that we've created that has the three is as we're looking through those, we've created a tool for you that summarizes the learnings from the past professional development. And so you can kind of look at them as a series of filters that says, when I'm thinking about the advisory council, let me go through diversity when I say who, right? When we say, what do they need equity? Let's revisit these definitions and the tools that we've been given. And then we can move on and say, great. The committee, when we go back to the state of the artist, how did we center their hopes and dreams, right? What do they need? What tools? What resources? What education training, right? So here's the new muscles and kind of a summary sheet that allows us to process and be a filter for us as we move through these questions. So I packaged these in an email. I'm gonna send it to Tara right now and Tara will send it out to the collective. And I guess that will be kind of our 15 minute break is to be thinking about these questions and then come back to a facilitated conversation with Kevin. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you. Thank you all for your understanding with this. I'll send that out as soon as I get it from Nico. And then please log on using the same meeting link at 440. Thank you everyone. I'm gonna end the stream now. Remember TV commercial? That was the TV commercial. Yeah, a little commercial break. A little commercial break for other committee sponsors. I'm gonna respond. I need to just take a couple of minutes, just do some quick housekeeping so we can get this streaming. Thank you all for your patience. Is there anything we'll need to do like rules of order wise about relaunching into the meeting? That's a good question, Eileen. Do you have an answer for that? I think it would be wise for us to do roll again, just to sort of basically state that, you know, show that we have a quorum again. Go ahead and start the stream and then I'll finish renaming everyone. What happened to Melanie? Foster. And so around, since we had this break, is it, is the meeting going to go longer or just? Kevin and I made some slight adjustments that I think will expedite and get a sliding in right at 5.30. Oh, thank you. Okay, you're amazing. Yeah, usually I have no problem. I can stay longer. That's usually how it works, but for today that unfortunately doesn't work. We're gonna plan fast. No, but this is an important meeting. Hey, there she is. I couldn't get on for some reason. Hello. I think Nathan could join us too. So we have one more member now. Me too. So basically what we're gonna do is I will go ahead and take roll again. I'm at your direction, chairkeeper, and I will start renaming you once we get through that process. Great, thanks Eileen. Yeah, please go ahead and take roll call again. Okay, member Nathanson. Present. Member Quintus. Present. Member Estirian. I see that you've raised your hand. Member Baumgartner. Here. Vice Chair Jones Carter. Present. Chair Keifer. Present. Let the record reflect that all members are present with the exception of member Sayers. All right. And I'll throw it back to Kevin. Thanks. Thank you so much. Okay, so we are back and we are diving in. So here's what we're gonna do. We're going to do a quick recap of just some concepts that we've discussed before. And then we're going to hear what you all thought about in our time away in our little recess. So understanding diversity, equity, inclusion in the arts. This was Lindsay's fantastic presentation that she gave us all those what feels like years ago. What I really appreciate about Lindsay's presentation is that she kept centering these concepts of diversity, equity, inclusion, access and belonging into these categories of people, place and medium. And I feel like in our time together I've just learned more and more about how applicable this is in so many different ways. People being artists, people being constituents, people being neighbors and friends and other committee members, places who was seeing the art benefiting from its presence there. Is it privately owned? Is it publicly owned? And then medium, is it mural? Is it street painting? Is it installation? And how we can really think about these principles across those three areas. Affinity bias, we did that wonderful exercise where we mapped out the people closest to us and really looked at, you know, how is it that we surround ourselves with people that we have things in common with? It's so natural, everyone does it. How do we have an awareness of it so that we're not creating closed loops of feedback when it comes to things like allocation of funds, decision-making and hearing from the community? We had the artist-fishbowl conversation moderated by Nico. Our art is very valuable, but our time is more valuable. Demystifying the funding process would be an enormous help if only somebody would make a toolkit. And there is joy in everything we do. It makes taking the risks worthwhile. And maybe the most important quote of the fishbowl, keep the wine, give us the money. Huge gratitude to the artists that spoke with us for their candor and for their dreams. I mean, these are artists in your community that are really carrying such bold vision of how their work can transform the landscape. And they are carrying so much in the doing. They are their own producers, their own managers, all the things. And so it's really a beautiful ecosystem that you're in and that you are already supporting and that you are growing to support better. And then of course, Professor Dominguez's incredible presentation on CBPR about how we are putting community right next to us marching along with us at each step of a process. I have never thought about research so kind of expansively before her presentation. Thinking about how really so much of what we are doing is in building relationships is a kind of research and applies so much to the work that you all are doing. Nico brought this up a moment ago but the transactional to the transformative, right? From exploitation and erosion to nurture and cultivation. So I think I'll just say about this that comes up in other kind of work that I do. But often when we talk in conversations about climate justice, and especially in art spaces, there are such questions around like, but how do I, is it just like what kind of paint do I use or how much am I touring? And the real question is, how are you moving from an extractive practice to a restorative practice? That's how these things intersect. And so this slide is actually so important and applicable and I encourage you all to reference it often in your work. Excuse me. So then there's this amazing kind of checklist that Danny gave us of how we involve community at each step of the process, building on the previous and then this checklist of questions for ourselves, right? And these are for us as individuals, for us as a committee, for us as connected to the city, for us as citizens, these are all the questions. People of a place. How am I showing up? Why am I showing up? And how am I checking in continually about my commitment to this process? And then Nico made this incredible slide with all the information that we just talked about condensed into one place. And so you have this now and you'll have it moving forward. Okay, so Daniel work plan. There's a lot that you all have to do in the next year but two things that you have prioritized are this community advisory board, as mentioned in the strategic plan and the toolkit which we have chosen to really put resources towards beginning this process ideally this year. So the community advisory board. Somebody tell me why? What, I know that there's an official, there's official language in the, there's official language in the strategic plan about what this community advisory board is to do but that official language is less interesting to me than how you all might reflect it back to me now. Melanie? It's important to make sure I'm on the right one. It's important to have more input than just the APPC and a connection to the community. Which we're lacking currently and community involvement needs to increase. So that we need to have people that have a direct pulse to the different communities within Santa Rosa so that we're not making assumptions based on our small group. That's what I wrote. Other thoughts on why? Jeff? I agree with everything Melanie said, but also it helps for people to know what APPC is about. And so the community advisory board members will hopefully be able to share that information and what they learn about the process and what they're trying to accomplish can then go out to the neighborhoods and the friends and the communities that they represent. What I think is so beautiful about this concept is we think about, I said this to some of you in our one-on-ones but we think about how Danny frames CBPR as kind of sharing power with the community, sharing resource and access with community. It's that same impulse that actually leads to the creation of the APPC. The city council could say, we're going to approve and do everything about public art in the city, but instead they find members of the community that they appoint to take on this responsibility. They share that power out. And what this community advisory board can be is actually you all sharing the power even further. You still have the responsibility of approval in your role as a committee member, but you're saying actually this is something that we can share. This is a conversation that we can expand and that's really beautiful. And so it's really exciting to see you all prioritizing that this year. So who are the kinds of people, where are you kind of looking to source this community advisory board? And I'm just going to put up on the screen a little reminder of a phrase that might come into play in this conversation. So who, who? Yes, Melanie. Gonna be a broken record here, I think. I think it's really important to make sure that we have underrepresented groups on the advisory board and not just people that we know that are leaders within the art community and not necessarily the art community. Yeah, I mean, I think back to that session with Socorro before we began and there are like maps where the city has prioritized neighborhoods to focus resources on, right? And so it actually doesn't have to be too much of a guessing game about where to start. There are tools available to us on where the city is prioritizing and where the APPC can then prioritize whose voices we are hearing and listening to. Other groups, types of folks, psychographic profiles, yeah, Kristen. I would add to that that I would like to hear from students, youth participants who are creating art but then also going to be inheriting a system and hopefully participating in our local government. So I would be interested in hearing from high school and college age folks. I would also be interested in hearing more from and having a seat on a committee but just different groups of people that have not been part of the conversation previously. So echoing Melanie's comment about how to tap into who's not at the table and how do we get them to the table? Yeah, intergenerational space is so important. Other thoughts on who? Great. I might just throw out thinking about a quick question of is there clarity in this group on who makes the decision around who is on this committee on this board? No, so then I'm gonna phone a friend and say, Tara, do you have clarity there? No, no, I don't. I think it needs to be a discussion. I think we need to figure out exactly how to do it. There's no process necessarily that is determined, predetermined for this. So that gives us the flexibility, I think, to explore what's going to work the best. Yeah, I mean, I think that there's, it is not, it is essentially, even though it has this official sounding name, community advisory board, and we may have to actually not call it exactly that because it can be confused with our preexisting council formed community advisory board. But, I mean, we know what the intention of the group is regardless of exactly what its name is. And I think our consultants for our master of strategic plan used it because it's a good description of what the board needs to be, the group needs to be. Because it is not, it functions more like an advisory to the APPC and to the public art program. So it's removed once from all the other city boards and commissions and committees that are advising council. So it doesn't fall within, as far as I understand any kind of policy or procedures that are predetermined, I think we have the flexibility to figure out exactly how people are identified and invited to participate. And then it kind of goes into some of your other questions like what do they need in order to participate as well. So. Thank you. Yeah, I mean, I think that's really exciting, right? That like, that it's a decision and a framing that you all can kind of come up with. And I would say that like emphasize that first and like get that squared away so that we know who is holding the decision. And then you can like dive in to the work, right? I mean, I think sometimes when processes are unclear, it can become a way to with the best of intentions kind of procrastinate in actually doing the thing because it's like, well, how is this actually coming about blah, blah, blah? And it's like, we can take the time to say actually, okay, this subcommittee or this meeting, this regular meeting of the APPC is gonna be about, here's the process. We want them to do this and we're gonna have them named and communicated with by this time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You just have to know that. So now we all know that this is a thing to be sorted out. There is no kind of official process to guide the appointment of this committee. I'm so glad that you said invitation Tara. That's so important to think about how folks are invited. I've heard in a lot of meetings about wanting further community engagement and something that every single organizing body in the world is thinking about right now is how to be better at this. It's very common to be like, we want people to come to this thing or we want people to tell us what they think. So we're gonna put it on social media. And this is what we call the megaphone effects or the megaphone approach. It is useful and it can reach a wide amount of people but it is not guaranteed. Putting something on a city's Instagram page or their Facebook page is not a guaranteed way of getting people to show up or to know that they are actually invited, right? So I think we can consider the relationships that you already have, starting with community organizations, people that have approached you about wanting public art, about with projects to have public art. Hey, you came to us a few meetings ago with a wall that you already found an artist for. Do you know folks in your community and your circle that you think would be interested in being a part of this conversation? Artists who have been funded, artists who have applied. There was one artist that I was hearing in a meeting who had applied to a bunch of things but it just hadn't quite worked out yet. That person is like begging to be civically engaged in this process. And so maybe if not that person, someone in that person's circle is a good place to start. And then thinking about what they need, which we'll take us over here. How are you hearing and gathering information about what this committee needs once you have a sense of who they are? Once you have a sense of what you the APPC would like them to do, how they can be involved, how they consult. How do you invite them in and then how do you give them space to state what they need? What are some things that they might need? Oh, go ahead, Nathan, sorry. No, you go. Okay, I think that we often, or assume that folks have all the free time in the world and can just show up at any meeting at any time. And that's so not true for so much, a huge majority of our community. So making sure that we can provide incentives or compensation or scheduling or childcare, whatever it is that these people need to participate, I think should be a major consideration for what they need. And I mean, I also feel like they need very clear, a very clear understanding of what their role is, what their relationship is between their advisory group and the APPC and the program, how the program functions, having clear roles and responsibilities so that there's not disappointment or misunderstanding about what they're there for and what they can see happen, what they can affect. You just spoke like half of my notes out loud. So I love that. Nathan, you have the other half. Oh, it's like you might be frozen, Nathan. All right, we'll come back to Nathan. Lisa, do I see you leaning in over here? No, I was just looking at Nathan and seeing that he wasn't moving. Yeah, you should have been told about that. Yes, but I just wanted to echo what Tara said. I mean, I totally agree, but also what we're just looking for is access. That's what artists are looking for, access. And that might be a space, an audience, or just they want, definitely want resources. Thank you. Nathan, you're back with us. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yeah, in my experience, if things are, if you're trying to sort of grease the wheels on getting something going, then funding is the place to start and generally what's missing for people. And then the next thing would be space to practice in. And I know Tara, some years ago had a kind of pilot program around making vacant downtown spaces available and ran into some issues with the city attorney maybe. But I think that that is just identifying vacant spaces and either pairing the owners of those spaces with artists or identifying municipal, municipally owned spaces that artists could use in the production of projects would be great. And I think another thing that's often important, at least in my experience is establishing skill sharing relationships or facilitating skill sharing relationships between cultural practitioners, especially around material production, fabrication support, these kinds of things. And then I think kind of out of the sort of social matrix of those interactions, questions about place and, you know, we occupy space. It's how we utilize resources. It's like you're freezing a little bit again, Nathan. So urgent in a way that's make art. I don't can't do much about that. I've got an unstable internet connection. Yeah, we didn't quite catch all of that. I just want to jump in here and say that I want to make sure we're clear about are we talking about what artists in the community need or are we talking about what the participants of an advisory committee? But maybe I'll just wrap up my comment. Yes, okay, this is perfect. So I'll say this, Nathan, for the next time you have something to share, if you could share with your video off, that might help prioritize your, it just helps the internet capacity. But bring up really good points. And then Tara had a really great question clarifying that are we talking about artist need or community advisory board needs? And what I would say is, I think a balanced board involves both people with resources to answer artist need and people with expertise in artist need, right? So I think it's actually really exciting to think about when we are thinking about listening to the artists and centering the artists, you will have people that are saying, I want to be on this community advisory board because I know that artists like me need space, need skillset sharing, need these things. And they will come, they may be interested in participating in the board as a means of getting those needs, which is great. And it's about saying, great, you are here to continually center those needs as we go about doing this work. Sometimes when we do things like open up to community comment, we're like, oh, thank you for sharing that. But that's not, I mean, I don't mean in the process of a meeting, but I mean truly like in a process, you know, a larger process. It's like, oh, thank you for sharing those things that you need. We don't have that. We're actually asking about this. But what you can capitalize on there, not a great word, but you know, bear with me, is the interest, the engagement, the passion, the energy, that's a resource that that person is bringing. And that is a resource that this committee needs on the ground lived experience. So very, very helpful there. We're running on time. So I just wanna just see how where I can kind of skip ahead here quickly. Oh, also Tara, you just mentioned, other needs might be around your scheduling. One thing that I might offer is considering what does asynchronous engagement look like? What are ways that people really piloted actually in the quarantine? How to get lots of people, brains working towards one thing without necessarily being in the same room in the same space at the same time. So maybe it's Zoom, but maybe there are other ways that you can pilot getting folks input on things without asking them to commit. And also underlining a set expectation of hours committed. That kind of boundary can be really helpful. That's kind of all in the production process to remember the frame that I mentioned before. This is when the actual doing of the thing. So then I think at each step of the way, checking in. So in this post-production moment, thinking about what are the indicators that it's going well or that it went, the outreach process is going well or that it didn't go well, right? You might have low response rate. You may have confusion about the work of the APPC. I'm not sure I wanna be a part of an advisory board for something that I don't know what they quite do. And you also might come across something very real that we all face, right? Which is imposter syndrome. You might say, hey, person in the community, you'd be amazing for this. And they're like, I'm just some muralist. I don't know about the city and the workings. And I don't know how to put on a powdered wig and pass a motion. I don't know any about that. And you all can say, we actually built this container for you and your expertise. And I think it's about that person to person, human to human, Santa Rosa resident to Santa Rosa resident saying, no, no, we value and wanna hear your voice and checking in with each other about, okay, I'm asking people and I'm running into some barriers or this description of the committee works really well. So next time you talk to somebody use it, put it that way. Something that I've seen this committee do in various forms is stop and say, maybe we need to think this through. Maybe we need to reimagine this. Maybe we need to approach this differently. Maybe we need to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You all already are practicing a culture of not embracing status quo. And I just want to say that that is amazing and encourage that, right? Inevitably in time, the committee membership will change, new members will be onboarded. But if there is one thing that the APPC can be known for and it's like asking great interrogative questions and it's like, and ask a killer question. Like, and will like be in conversation with an artist and has just an incredible question about supporting that artist and what they need. Melanie, your questions and your advocacy for things that the committee has put forward as priorities. It's incredible. So like, let's just make it firmly the culture of the committee so that no matter who's here serving, people know that APPC is responsive and listening to both the needs and goals that the city has put forward, but also the needs and goals of the artists and the citizens that you all are serving. Okay, super, super fast in about a little less than eight minutes, the toolkit. What I want to emphasize here, I think we have a sense of for who. So we don't have to spend a ton of time there. With who, I think we also maybe have a little bit of a sense, right? People who have applied, people who might have resources, people who might need resources. There's a lot of different ways that somebody could come to the APPC with a question and I know that you all have a good grasp of who they are and what those questions are because you live in the community, you get these questions all the time, right? I have a couple of questions about how is it accessible? But what I want to think about in this meeting is who does what? How do you break up? This is an elephant. How do you approach this big task? Anybody have ideas there about how to even start? Well, one thing I think, I feel like we could identify even in our smaller APPC group, who has kind of what, who's got a line on what kind of questions and what kind of info? Like, who specializes in what, what it reach of us good at. I don't even really think we've ever taken an assessment of our collective gifts and resources, even within our group. And it seems to me that if we were going to try to make ourselves accessible and be able to relay information that's going to help someone get another step up or get a little closer to their goals, we need to know who does tarot or us or whoever is connecting. Oh, you want to talk to so-and-so or you should be, I just think could, are we allowed to be outside of this group and talking to people without being listened into by the community? I mean, is that, I assume we do, but I just don't feel like we've been launched out that way. I mean, some of us are artists, working artists. We actually have some skills. Some of us have really great administrative and possibly writing skills and just different things like that. I just think it would be great to know where we start. Does that make sense? Yeah, that kind of asset mapping is great. Melanie? I also think we can take best best practices from other cities that are doing something like this. I mean, we can steal with pride so that we don't have to reinvent every single wheel. But if there's something out there that another city is doing that we think is great, we should connect with them. I think that's allowable. And see how they're, if anybody else has toolkits, I guess that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, I mean, you all should know that people are stealing from you, right? The last time I was with my family in Ventura County, I met the person who works for the city there who does the public art. And she was like, oh, Santa Rosa, they're like gold standard. Like they, and yet you know, there are things that you'd like to work on. So people are watching you, watch other people and see what you can learn. Other thoughts? Yeah, Chris? I think something that would be helpful with the toolkit is to not only do an assessment of collective gifts, but also an assessment of what's working and what needs improvement. And to come at it from a lens of usability by taking away kind of, I guess the veil of your experience of working with the city for as long as any of us have, but to come at it with fresh eyes and say, maybe kind of have like a jargon dictionary or something to that effect of breaking down the legalese by saying what works and what doesn't and what's confusing and what's kind of jargon. That brings up O'Nico. I was just gonna, and I think that's what you were gonna do too, is this one's gonna hop in and just connect it to these strategies and those muscles that we've been learning, right? And just naming what you said, Chair Keeper, was about affinity bias, right? How are we constantly evaluating where our bias comes in? And then how are we, what you said about access and user design, right? By defining it in these categories, it allows us to say, how will somebody interact with this as an issue of access, right? And then what are the parameters or what are the filters we've moved through in order to continue to expand our bias around this subject? So just looping it back to these learnings and there's that kind of cheat sheet that we've had that allows you to walk through and say, oh, usability, that's access, great. What are those considerations around access that we're doing, right? And so I think it's exactly that, naming that, defining that and putting those priorities as you move through the design of these, yeah. Yeah, and it's really like, it's really feeding two birds with one seed, right? Because you've got another priority of assessing the kind of policies and procedures of the APPC. And if you're spelling them out in a toolkit, you have to go through them anyways, right? And if you are, this question of with who, if you are doing this with community and whether that is starting with the community advisory board and into a larger process, if you're doing a question campaign, whatever the mechanism you use to hear community, you'll get practice actually hearing feedback about what those policies and procedures are, how they feel, how they look, where they're confusing, so that when you go back to this kind of, there's a slide for the presentation that doesn't have a hiatus that just reframes centers, again, what the kind of charge of the committee is, right? And part of it is advising on policy and procedure. And so that is something that's part of your work and that you can do really in community and in partnership and it'll make the toolkit better and then it'll in turn improve the policies. Accessibility, this is just like another layer of accessibility with the toolkit, but just to name where does it live? How do people access it? Is it purely digital? What if I don't have a computer? Is it in the library? Is it at City Hall? Is there a large print version? What language is it translated into? And that gets tricky because there's this question of how does it stay relevant which argues for it to be a living, breathing document. So what is the kind of agreement among this group of, okay, maybe it's every two years or maybe it's every three years, we check in and we update it, knowing that we've got copies of the library, we've got copies at City Hall, we've got copies in Spanish to be updated and in Thai to be updated. So just to remember kind of where these things go, how people find them and then how to keep them current. Is that raised any questions for anybody? All right. It seems like a long time. It's a long time. I mean, because if something's not working, we'll hear about it from, hopefully we can hear about it from the community and we'd be able to, are people who are using the process and we'd be able to respond faster than every two years, but yeah, I understand what you're saying about the upkeep of it. It also could be an onboarding tool, right? So that maybe every time a new committee member gets appointed, you hand them the toolkit and say, what's confusing? Hey, welcome, you're new here. You don't know what we do yet. This toolkit is our kind of front porch to get people in. So give us your thoughts and maybe we can make a little jush. And with the use of the word jush, I'm gonna pass it over to Nico because we're coming towards the end of our time. What I think in that, great questions that last comment is really about accountability, right? When we go to that post-production phase that something has been completed, a project has been, how are we accountable to its relevancy to our community? How are we coming back to it? Is it every year? And I love kind of what you said, Kevin, it was about really the agreement. What are we agreeing on to being accountable, right? To multiple languages, to accessibility, to people interacting it, to relevancy. And so I think that is part of your kind of your, from pre to thinking about it, production, implementing it, and then post is the accountability that you make agreements on to upholding the standards and the values of which you came out of this project. I think this is amazing. And what I love in just hearing this conversation is really about us leaning into hearing how you begin to process what developments you've made as saying, oh, here's further considerations I wouldn't have thought of before, right? When it comes to the EIA or here's how we might listen to artists more here's really, I mean, the CBPR presentation in an hour and a half with an incredible roadmap to really like print the slides and say what is the way in which we want to listen to the community, right? What is the question that we want to know is what resources would an artist or an arts and culture worker in our community be interested in, right? We don't hold all the answers. And then it goes into what's the method that we're going to collect that data, right? And so there's a beautiful roadmap right there for you to start going after one of these and using one of these in your practice for the committee. I just kind of want to take us into verbalizing learnings. We have thrown kind of a lot at you in these four professional developments and really starting to sew them into how the committee operates, right? As getting these new muscles and saying how am I looking at toolkit? How you apply them to an advisory committee? And so I just would love to kind of turn it over to you all for some sharing of this thing. You know, we've listened to these past three, we're in this fourth PD, but here's one, here's something that surprised me. Here's an observation I've made. Here's something I'm excited about implementing or so I just kind of want to turn it over to you all of this verbalizing something from these PDs that is applicable to the committee's work that gets you excited, that was a surprise or I want to mold that over, I want to research that a little bit more. Just want to offer it up to anyone that's interested in verbalizing that. I will go. I was really inspired, well, all these things have been so relevant in so many ways, but Danny's presentation that she took us through was such an eye-opener about just the careful and thoughtful and patterned way that she breaks into a community. I mean, with ears open and with the attempt to respectfully find out what's important and finding the people that she can do that with and empowering others, it's not about her or it's not about us and that's for all transition that it's just the de-centering off of this meeting and into getting into the community. That is probably the most exciting thing about this for me and I'm not even sure how it's gonna look, but it is hopeful and I know it's been a weird three years. So right, it's strange, but we're moving that way. So that has really been, I hope. Thank you, thank you, and yes. Cherkiefer. I also wanted to echo Anne when she was talking about Danny Dominguez's presentation and the overview that we got on community-based participatory research, I was very thankful that she went through and very, she gave steps for all of the research ways to approach it. And the last step, I was so glad that she provided a reminder of as an action step of how will we use information? And having done research myself, I know that that's not always an area that gets a lot of attention on. And so I was glad that she brought that back to our committee of, so we have these tools, but what do we do with research once it has been collected? And yeah, once you've kind of gone through the steps of, okay, was this approach to doing research equitable, did it hit all of our markers of wanting to reach a diverse group, but what are we going to do with the information after? And that's something that I was like, oh, wanted to dig my teeth into a little bit more of how do I bring that back to future projects? Yeah, I hear action being an interest from the collective, right? Of how do we activate the potential within this committee? Yeah, who else? Anyone else? All right, I will. I'm going to point out Gilbert. Yes, hi, one other thing too, I just, Danny definitely, there was quite a few things that she said that really have stuck with me. And one of them was us on the APPC or that she even said as a research, you don't come in with the agenda. The community tells you the problems. The community identifies the problem. And that's what has continuously stuck with me is they, you know, to listen and so I definitely, I appreciate that but there was a few other items too but I know we're short on time but that's for sure on the top of my list. Yes, yes, that's huge, huge and a new practice to learn, absolutely. Anyone else, verbalized learning, thought, surprises? We'll move on here to, in order for us to really kind of be good towards and to kind of be the best collaborators, we're gonna be sending out a survey at the end of this that just goes through a little bit of questions about our professional development. We highly encourage you to take it because it'll kind of rub us up for us to be better educators, to be better facilitators but B, to see what else you're interested in learning, how else we can come alongside you and support you with professional development opportunities, mentorship or really activating this work in community. So we'll be sending that out at the end of this workshop and then also our work continues on, Kevin and I are meeting, I'll be meeting with the EDI Task Force moving forward and then Kevin will be meeting with the Engagement Task Force to start activating these new learnings and pillars and really guiding those processes of implementation. And then after that, the last one I really have is just a heartfelt thank you, thank you from the team at Kensington Creative for hosting us in such a warm environment, for being thoughtful collaborators and just showing up ready to learn and ready for action and engagement. So that's just from us at Kensington Creative, we're so thankful to have spent time with you in the Zoom room and I'll just say a special shout out for Kevin for organizing these CDs, having one-on-ones with you all and really kind of guiding this educational process collectively. That's all we currently have right at 5.30, even with the recess. But if you have any last questions, we'll be here but just a heartfelt thank you from us. Thank you. Thank you, Nicko. Thank you, Kevin. Thanks, it was great. Yes. All right, Tara, we'll pass it to you if we need anything else. Thank you so much, both of you. I'm sure we'll talk to you soon, but thank you so much for your participation, your presence and leadership throughout this process. It's been really great. So I'll just turn it back over to you, Kristen, to close out the meeting. Thank you. Oh, we should call for public comment. I don't think there's anyone on the call, but please go ahead and do that before you close out. Thanks for the reminder, Tara. At this time, I'll take public comment. Do we have any messages? We have no messages, emails or public comments or anyone, members from the public raising their hand at this time. Great, thank you for that. And as we part for our evening tonight, thank you again for that great food for thought and a recap of this great learning opportunity that we've had over these last four sessions with you and our one-on-ones. That has been very informative. I will be, or sorry, moving towards adjournment. The next regular meeting of the Art and Public Places committee scheduled for Monday, January 2nd is canceled due to the New Year's holiday. So I wish everyone a wonderful, and joyous, and safe, and healthy, happy holiday season. Thank you, everyone, for your hard work and I'm looking forward to see you all in the new year. Meeting adjourned. Bye. Thank you.