 here's a protein hack take a protein shake all right look everybody's totally that before but there's more don't just take a protein shake after your workout or when you wake up those are good times as well but try this I've had this work with some clients make a small protein shake 10 to 15 grams and just wash down your meals with it in other words with breakfast lunch and dinner have a small 10 to 15 gram protein shake and it's a lot easier for some people to be consistent with protein when they do it that way give a shot that's an interesting tip no no I actually have never nobody did the milk thing yeah mention before it's people can see the same thing yes pretty much the same thing you know where I got this you know what way I got this I got from I had a client who we were trying to hit protein targets and also simultaneously they were one of those weird clients I know you guys have had this where you tell them to drink water and they're like I don't like to taste the water water is boring yeah so she was used to always drinking something with flavor and so anyway through the process of getting her to eat more protein she started using shakes because it was just it was so hard for her to get through food it was just paying the butt so I had I introduced her to a shake she's like oh my god it tastes so good I look forward to it and I'm like hmm because she would always have some kind of calorie containing or sugar-free garbage drink with her meals so I said what if instead of making your 40 gram shake you make like a 10 or 15 gram shake so it's a little thinner you use it to wash down your meals yeah let me try that and she loved it and she was super consistent always remember take a protein mm ended up hitting a protein targets and it was it worked out you know really miss for some people yeah I don't know I never thought to do that like I could totally see you taking like especially like a good way shake like legions cutting the serving in half mm-hmm you're still getting what an extra close to 20 grams of protein right by 8 15 to 18 somewhere that range and thinner to be super it's already kind of a thin it's not a super thick shake as it is that's really gonna thin it out so it almost is water taste good flavored water going down adding it to a meal where you have maybe 30 grams of protein exactly boosted to a 4550 gram exactly meal and you do that once in the early in the day once the evening that's I've never thought that's interesting yeah that would definitely taste better remember when Gatorade would try to make it with like protein and they added it yeah and there was another like soda brand to try to add and it would just end up being chalky gross nastiness yeah gross no no if you do like like some proteins taste better than others way is always it's always gonna be one of the debate based it best tasting proteins bone broth one that we that was a good one so collagen does well but way if you can if you can in you know intake dairy and be okay with it way is such a high quality protein now one of the here's another side to this I don't even think about one of the you know criticisms of way is that it's so fast digesting well now when you have 15 grams of it with a solid protein meal yeah you've slowed down the absorption of it and it's gonna add to the satiety of your meal as well but really the benefit isn't I mean because you can theoretically obviously take it like most people do just take a full shake post workout or whatever in addition to the meals and a lot of people do it that way but I found this valuable because some people still forget to take the damn shake that's it it's and then it's like oh well you're gonna eat breakfast lunch in there anyway protein is always the one put it in your water and now you have your meal with it and like I said after I did it with that one client I had other clients who were always like oh I forgot take my shake always forget take it I always whatever and I did this with them and they were consistent at least two out of three meals it would have protein with which worked out well I could see it too helping with somebody who just has a hard time consuming that many whole food calories right so they're just always yeah like a female client who's smaller stature and eating you know eight ounces of steak or meat is it's tough you know like her whole life she's a four ounces or less now I said I'm doubling that it's like oh my god I'm it's like stuffing that down so letting her have a smaller amount of meat and then having that ideally we're always gonna be whole foods right so I'm always gonna tell a client beat whole food ideally to go this route with with your meat and food but if it's if there's always gonna be that client who struggles with you know eating that many calories or hitting that protein intake and so that's this is where that stuff always makes sense the funny part about the narrative though around protein shakes is that they did such a good job of marketing that people can think of it is like a a health supplement or a supplement you're you you need to take if you're working out like it has some sort of like yeah they don't really good job like we know when I would when I would get caught you know it's part of the uniform to the defense of that most people probably would though right because they under reproting well hence why it's lasted right I mean just like you're you talk about things that have been around forever and know you there's something to investigate there like why did it get passed down for generations well part of the reason why it gets passed down for generations because it's like good advice who was just telling us we're laughing off air we're somebody who had some like gimmicky 30 minute 30 protein 30 oh was that Andrew you said that yesterday who was that oh yeah we're talking about that guy right and he this was off air right it was off air when we were all talking about it I think was all you brought oh you said it on there I mean that's exactly an example that it's like we are laughing about it yeah but it's I guarantee that if people took that advice like of course it's good and that's the same thing with the same thing with what I'm saying it's like all I'm doing is I'm taking the same advice which is okay get it from Whole Foods first if you can't for whatever reason then a protein shake is valuable because and the data is extremely clear on this okay hitting proper protein targets and I want to say proper protein targets I mean those that are related to muscle building satiety and fat loss not the minimum or whatever the RDA gives and that number is roughly probably a little less but roughly a pound of excuse me a gram of protein per pound of body weight in normal weight individuals so as shake can be very valuable because if you're missing that constantly once you add that will you build muscle faster that in turn leads to a faster or more healthy metabolism which then in turn leads to better fat loss well you know you could you could take the shake anytime you want really doesn't make a difference all I'm doing is I'm packaging it in a way to where for some people it makes a lot of sense some people are gonna hear this and go oh my god why don't I just do that that's so easy and I'll end up doing it and it'll work great for them you know and that's just it speaking of Legion's way what was they have a crazy amount of flavors they don't just have chocolate oh they have fruity pebbles they have the caramel salted have you guys tried the different yeah I tried almost yeah have you really well yeah cuz actually my kids are now sort of at that phase where they like to have a protein shake every now and then to especially if they're training and you know sort of like a little bit of a treat for them and so I in the back there was there's quite a few different flavors and I was like might as well just try a few and that dude they love the salted caramel one and then the it's like a things a mint chocolate it's a chocolate yeah and then the obviously for me it was the peanut butter chocolate but I gotta I gotta work my way back there I mean I think they have over 10 flavors maybe Doug can pull up and look like they have a ton of flavors yeah Dutch chocolate apple pie banana bread birthday cake chocolate peanut butter cocoa cereal cookies and cream Dutch I already said that one French vanilla fruity cereal honey cereal mint chocolate mocha cappuccino pumpkin pie salted caramel oh my god strawberry banana unflavored and cinnamon cereal that's how bro they have a ton unflavored I've only tried I guess a quarter of that no that's a lot of them wow no he's no he's gonna I'm always been like I mean I'm it's I actually haven't had a way shake since I was off dairy but I'm back to allowing myself to have dairy so I absolutely will have because I remember even when Cabral was talking to me he says that he said that way wasn't the big one yeah he's yeah this was never a real issue for me either the region version yeah like I don't know if it's the digestive enzymes or anything there but that helps yeah it could be yeah the other thing too that you guys might want to pay attention to is so artificial sweeteners it can sometimes affect people's gut okay and then there may be effect on the microbiome okay so if you're dealing with like SIBO so I don't so in a healthy gut I don't know if it necessarily is an issue now some people would say yes and there's some studies that suggest it might be there's other studies that say no it's not an issue but we've never studied what artificial sweeteners do in a SIBO gun okay I know for me when I have when my SIBO is bad right when I get when I got the symptoms of SIBO especially back before I really figured it out I couldn't have any artificial sweeteners at all suculose aspartame didn't matter I would instantly mess up my gut once my gut is healthy now it doesn't seem to have an effect so if you're dealing with that then what's I'm in the thick of it so what's the percentage of people that have SIBO I don't know you know there's not numbers there's not data out on that to support most of them don't even know they have it well I feel like that we continue to see that right like you'll have we'll have clients will be troubleshooting stuff and then it'll be man it seems like you might have SIBO there's also SIFO so there's small intestinal bacterial overgrowth small intestinal fungal overgrowth right there could just be gut inflammation too that's not you know related that way but I don't know that's a good question you know gut issues are so they seem common right they seem super common yeah I don't know today's program giveaways the super bundle here's how you can win it leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we drop it subscribe to this channel turn on notifications if you win we'll let you know in the comment section also cyber Monday 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appendix acts like a reservoir for microbiome okay which means that it probably we probably have it because humans probably went through events in most of human history where they ate something and it washed them the fuck out because they got sick or whatever because stuff wasn't very clean and so I'm wondering if an occasional like pruning of the microbiome with herbal antimicrobials might be what everybody needs you know I mean like I think it's comical that we ever went through a period of time where they we thought that something inside of us like didn't need you're with the teeth bro you're with the teeth and tonsils like dude there's oh yeah I just get rid of it yeah they're not necessary science is shown that we don't need it all right whatever dude I know you know the whole wisdom teeth thing is because and they've shown this as you go to a more grain heavy diet your jaw shrinks mm-hmm and your tight your teeth get crowded yeah and so that's why your wisdom teeth don't fit yeah it's cuz we're we eat like easily chewable food and it's like yeah or we just don't have that expansion we're supposed to by the way this it makes sense that your teeth and your jaw would adapt to your diet as you're growing as a child you have sets of teeth that fall out come back in so you know that's why I say now like it's important to have little babies you know before they can like give them a piece of meat on the bone that they can't really rip off but have them like work it and chew on it yeah and don't always mash up their food and all that stuff do you do you think with like AI technology and companies like seed that are on the front end of like things like probiotics and stuff like that do you think we're gonna get to a place where like a company like that can use AI technology to go in and like figure out and assess somebody's gut and then figure out what's not populated and what would be like precisely go in and be like yes here because of your diet and the way we've all the way you're missing boom boom boom boom these things like that based off of the AI feedback I do and then then them customily make like a probiotic or something I do so right now what we have crazy right now the best science we have is we know that there are certain strains that seem to be generally beneficial the lactobacillus strains the befitto strains and some others so like seed for example you mentioned seed so they have the strains in there that we know that they're generally beneficial but it's not individualized right everybody gets the same capsule and that's as good as it gets like seed is well and their head and shoulder system top yeah their head and shoulders above every other company okay but there's so much that we don't know and it's going to take AI to figure that out think of the billions of you know bacteria in your gut the interplay between them the interplay between them and your body the changing environment that your body goes through when you in particular as an individual or stressed or feel a particular way or eat a particular food there's so many variables it's going to take AI to figure that out but I think they will I think they'll be able to figure it out I mean it's been on my mind quite a bit like we I've told you guys we're we're resigning all of our partners for next year right so Katrina and I have an opportunity to talk to a lot of the founders and what's going on and it's always a great time to catch up and oh the future of next year they were one of the companies I actually requested if we could get them back on the show because it's been a few years since we've talked to them and I really want to hear like where what's new yeah what's new because they're on the front end of all that frontier new frontier and they are head and shoulders above everybody else with a science that I really am curious of like we haven't really talked to them since the explosion of AI in the last couple of years have they integrated that right like yeah and I bet they have and I can't wait to like talk to them and hear what they see coming down the pipe and what they're going to be able to make something probably that you swallow that'll go through the gut and pick things up and by the way they can make things so small did you know I think I put this in the notes yes I did they made a camera this is the I've never I cannot believe that that this actually exists but of course it does they made a camera that's so small it's literally the size I think of a grain a oh no sorry it's the size of a grain of salt what it's the size of a grain of salt I just see how did how's it be impossible and it takes images that look like a full-size camera how little do the people have to be that make that I don't believe it how do you capture those images that's the part trips me out like how does it store the the like the information those like how do you like take that data it's got to be some sort of a receiver or satellite that sends it right I mean no what no it can't take the picture itself what listen okay I don't know where my mind you go I can't wrap my brain I still don't understand how regular cameras work yeah much less a rice on the hell to write a rice I would steal my soul and put it in that box yeah no listen this is what it says here the secret lies in over a million eyes so on this grain of salt size camera are a million eyes roughly the size of an hiv virus covering the camera known as its meta surface I like how they matched it to why hiv is a virus they're just to show you how big it is of the virus I don't know why they use that one of all the viruses why would you use that one as an example we're gonna put this inside you right looks a lot like wow yes trust us to use that here's the applicator a little nervous about no so um so yeah that's it and I mean there's I'm I'll obviously share the link this is it right here bro look at that wow that's a camera so immediate first off I think cool second thought fuck yeah like seriously you're gonna get spied on oh you'll never know it'll be inside you you'll bro you'll never know no idea that's gonna take like I could put that camera all over yeah that's wild like what do we do I don't know I mean honestly they probably have been insects yeah birds why wouldn't they yeah birds aren't real look into it but yeah just saying just saying just saying bro think about that like a little modified mosquitoes yeah dude that's crazy so you know how like China has that uh that surveillance system or whatever yeah and Americans are like never not here I think I do is put a bunch of shit like that everywhere you don't even see it no we don't have privacy anymore that's like a thing of the past I know you know speaking of AI I'm like so disappointed in you me to not admit admit you being wrong on what happened podcast why would I say well what do you mean we just talked to Jordan Pearson this episode this episode's going after that isn't it no no no it's not that hasn't happened yet the hasn't you have two smart people in your camp yeah really can be cocky that kind of smart really smart people if I can't listen this is not personal now it's me tell me though when you when you guys heard him say it there was a part of you died didn't it just no I you know I already did you feel so confident in your arrogance still that you would like Jordan Pearson is probably right there is no limit to the confidence of my arrogance no you know okay so here's here's the thing what he said is true I understand that problem I get it I just don't think I think that would be if we created like a robot that was multi-purpose but we said a dishwashing robot just washing dishes that's it's the same problem though it's the same and that's the exact you just wash dishes it could fix my TV and plumbing and all that I just that doesn't matter like I think I think the washing dishes actually going to be more difficult because it has the with that kid that you might be right that kid that was in taking AI right if you win you don't have to give me a car anymore oh yes that's what I was really sure you're not getting nothing from me give me the car yet I was only I only gave you five years of delay I want to see that dude I don't know where she's not gonna well you know it's funny and I'm sure people are so tired of hearing that this argument that we keep going back and forth but there's a it's like tongue-in-cheek right it's it's playful it's fun I think it's interesting to think it's and there's a lot of things to think about with AI like you know and yeah there's there's certain things that we're watching evolve really fast and then there's other things that like we don't realize like that's way more difficult that's way more difficult than we imagine it like as simple as being able to we can we have these robots that do flips now and do cool stuff and spray down a bathroom like everyone's like oh my god so like but but to teach it to know the difference between a clean dish and a dirty dish we're light years away robotics yeah robotics is gonna be the last thing to really progress I feel but I mean in terms of like everything AI like dude everything the software base everything that functions AI is taking over it's it's like I mean it reminds me the South Park episode it's the it's the arms the white yeah it takes every job that doesn't require arms yeah yeah but here's another part the other half is a commercially affordable trip to the moon right yeah first of all you have to prove that we don't live in the firmament yeah or that we've ever even been to the mood or that the government will allow us to go on the moon you know there's a nazi base on there yeah they're probably stopping in his tracks crazy regulations will make it impossible no but we'll see we'll see what happens we'll say hey speaking of AI here's this when here's some more scariness oh please okay they did a huge test with a bunch of people and they showed them AI faces and real faces oh boy okay and you're supposed to determine which one which one's real okay what do you guys think happened do you think they can determine which one's real which one was it was all cloudy I bet it's actually worse than that the opposite they 80 percent of time more thought the AI faces real my god what wow how is that possible they don't they can't they don't understand they think that the AI makes the faces more proportional therefore tricking our brain to thinking it's more real or something like that but it doesn't matter the point is the computer generated face more often than not appeared more real than a real face fuck like okay so obviously like the lighting in the the contrast and like all that's they managed everything was controlled so you know what I think about right away that's kind of scary about that there's many things that are scary about that but one of the things that I don't think we're probably even thinking about that's going to be interesting and that we'll see this unfold like really quick we've already talked about how we've seen there's already uh Instagram pages of yeah self-generated like uh you know or AI you've been getting DMs I'm sure by these AI like okay so think of that for a second now think of what we've talked about the the toxicity of social media and how bad it is for men and women and comparison and stuff like that and we know that the algorithm people like beauty and cars and asses and all these things like that and so what happens yeah people do though right in the middle he says all the other ones loud so okay so think about uh if all of a sudden somebody just starts flooding Instagram with as many of those or more of those than there are humans and then like talk about how we're it's already distorted right so a kid a kid's image of so or even a person already did that wants to get in shape it's already distorted by the the percentage of people that are really that fit it's like you think there's tons of them but they're not there's like just go to a gym you won't see anybody rip no go to Instagram you'll see 10 people in five seconds through your feet 100% Instagram will do it because the the user base would go up yes the yeah the numbers for their stock would go up like everything would be a positive for them it'd be a total negative hold on Doug are those the pictures yeah so i'm playing this little game right now where i'm supposed to guess between the AI she's fake on the right she's fake i bet you she's not no no i just i just did it okay so i was right so i'm looking at these two now he's fake on the right you think he's fake right no yeah i do i do the right okay i'm gonna click at him yeah wrong i told you he's fake on the right no you're right actually yeah by the way i'm not guessing right i'm just going with the opposite what i think because i know what the study said no so i'm gonna be really i'm supposed to click on the real one here so so yeah you're right at him oh he was okay okay okay the real person which person is real i would say the one on the left i would again i think the one on the right is real really okay here here goes Adam left well it's not working oh let's see it's the one yeah i heard us talking about it yeah the one on the left is the real one yeah okay so anyway so this study used the latest AI technology and uh this is a new development essentially so all right here's my question so here's a speculation right the speculation is going to get is this that media is going to become so cloudy social media real media whatever right people are going to beg for this this online valid ID we're gonna which is that's the that's a big push for that that we're gonna we're gonna like beg the government to be the arbitrator of what's real we're gonna want a government controlled and run like you know um you tell us you you put the seal of real and by the way it that that is going to get pushed so fast because what's going to happen when you start seeing this is there's going to see people getting scammed by the fake things and and so people listening right now are like oh no we're not gonna want that sets it up for yeah so you say that until all of a sudden you get you get burned by ten thousand dollars here's the counter AI thing yes and now here's the counter argument the counter argument is well yes people may beg for that but what might happen is all these private companies because there may be a market demand for real people are going to put in their own you know uh ways of confirming if something's real so instagram's gonna be like look we're gonna tell you and we're gonna require that we show when something's fake and something's real now there's problems with both of them the the government one is yeah okay miss you know government you're gonna tell us what's real and what's fake that doesn't that gives you a lot of power the criticism of the market doing it is is instagram's best interests in showing us what we want to see or showing us what we think we want to see right because everybody says i want to know what's real it's about we like perfect money engagement um and keeping you on the platform as long as possible there's no uh i mean there's no reason why they would need to really be super honest and transparent same reason why they haven't cleaned out initially yes but if i mean if you if you have faith in in free markets like i think we do eventually even that would get well so let's say like your point like the obvious is not the government i think that's i think everyone's ego but let's say like uh instagram so they keep all the fake ai out but then they're still feeding the algorithm to to give you not necessarily what's completely authentic and real to the reality right for you and so then that still opens the opportunity for somebody else to compete that because they've been found out and and that's their that's their pitch you we're gonna we're not gonna feed you what's best for our album we're going to feed you what truly you're like what you know i'm saying whatever that spiel is to counter that and when enough people become aware that opens the door for competitor to do it more in a more on the and an example of this okay is in what we do authentic content okay is that it would be in our best interest to do before and afters it be in our best interest to do challenges it would be in our best interest to lie to people about how faster you're going to see results right it would be in our best interest but why we have survived and why we continue to grow and have success in this company as we've stayed true to that and over time even though we're not bigger than beach body we're not bigger than some of these famous names and brands slowly but surely that's right someone comes through the experience and goes you know what they're not this they're not that but i i trust them i believe i would love to you know i my hopeful side would like says that but the problem with that is that like i'll give you the example of like fake follower counts okay if you ask people do you wish instagram cracked down on fake followers and accounts with fake followers and whatever and everybody would say yes i don't want that shit but the reality is everybody likes their all the influencers don't like that that's right and so instagram doesn't really they don't really check yeah they don't really do it because you like the fact that you know that is this why well okay you know the nft we all scoffed at that initially but like what if that becomes something where they can trace like sort of whatever image it is it's authenticated that's the best answer through uh all the way so you can actually cross check it to know if it's a real that would be that would be good like if like if like through blockchain might be that might be the answer actually that's pretty good that'd be more of a decentralized approach my fear is that we're going to give all the power to one person and that person's gonna have a lot of power they will manipulate the media to their whatever they want and that's a lot of scary for sure it's setting up in that direction because anytime it's in that like you always got to look at like who's going to benefit the end like who's is it a power grab and where's it coming from i don't know if to me the the the less intervention the better the more people that we allow to try and answer it for us versus allowing it to unfold the way it's supposed to unfold and us to figure it out unfortunately there tends to be growing pains with that where we got to learn the hard way and go like oh but at the end of the day innovating at the other day collectively i have faith in humanity that as a whole we're smart maybe not as some individuals are but as a whole we're pretty smart and we'll eventually figure that stuff out you see what's happening with uh you know speaking of this stuff of like ai is the spotify i think is cracking down big time on it i forget what other streaming platforms because there's been a massive disruption in that space for streaming farms and stuff and so explain that and they couldn't figure out how to get get past it because the people that were creating these streaming farms found a way to also hack it to where it looks like it's coming from a million different i explain the streaming farm so streaming farm are these places in like random places in the world where they set up all these iPhones where there's like thousands of thousands of them i don't know if the philippines are like there yeah places like that and then it runs through like this server that they then can make that server look like it has all these different ip addresses all over the world so that they can't reverse it because the original like you could see an ip address so they would go like oh if there's all these coming from one we know there's a problem there but these streaming farms have learned ways around that to be make it look like all the 10 000 streams are unique all over the world and so these companies are having a hard time you know to prove whether it's fake or not now who are the people that are they're using the streaming farms i'm assuming it's a content creators yeah artists they get paid based off of yeah how many yeah wow yeah yeah and there's lots of rumors that it's some of the biggest name ones that did it because they had all the connections and pool and the money to start with you know and it's keeping down the ones that have been trying to organically do it yeah my brain always goes there with like how these people get so insanely popular like so like the immediate stardom you know like there's there's like engineered factors like all over the place to help elevate people when they want well so this might be a little too uh i don't know personal business uh but you know we i wonder if because we convert for people don't know like obviously we're a sponsored podcast and for our sponsors uh we're typically one of the highest converting if not the highest converting in in proportion to our size in fact we convert better than some of the most popular podcasts in the world and i wonder if part of that is because every listener we have is like we don't do yeah because even our instagram following you look at our engagement like and i look at other pages and you can tell they don't have real followers half the time actually more than half the time i wonder if that's one of the reasons one hundred percent and i think that there's there's two things that are happening there too one the ones that are there are real and then because you have such an authentic message and trust and loyalty there's that right then you have an even uh higher percentage of people that are going to take your advice trust you can go do those things so if you have somebody who's let's say 10 times bigger than us and 20 percent of their you know following is fake they're still significantly organically bigger than us but they also maybe they don't have as much of trust as as somebody who has built it organically that you know the slower way or what i thought but that exists a lot in in the space there's a lot of fluff and fake numbers and i mean how many times have you guys we've now i mean i don't know how many times i've been blown away by somebody who i think is going to be like this business savant or they're going to have like all the success because they have on social media they appear numbers are crazy yeah they appear to be massive and then you get with them in the room and you're like oh dude this no they're not at all yeah so that it's like those storefronts uh those business displays in like north korea you know when they take when they take like uh you know foreign diplomats over to kind of show them around or foreign press they'll take them through and russia the soviet union did this well they'll take them through they've like built facades fake town yeah it looks like a full building and it's just like the front of the building oh they're walking oh what was that movie what was that movie with the soviet union where there was the like they were killing farmers in ukraine and uh reporters were trying to report on it and they put them on a train drive them through and along the railroad were fake stores yes literally fake like it was like it was like just a wall only this deep yeah somebody pretending to sweep yeah really yeah in fact a guy a guy escaped the train and he went through and discovered all these fake towns and stuff north korea does that well they'll have they'll have a grocery store with all these products and literally there's people well who did we just talk to yeah sir peterson oh was that peterson talked about that we talked about the pen yeah in north korea and like how even that uh it was fake just the pen like didn't even have a real that's right he was talking about that they they put on a facade that their markets are doing so well they even have like these like high stores that have all this stuff but the shoppers are just walking yeah the shoppers are just walking around nobody ever really purchases anything like i thought that's so wow i want to see that actually there's a part of me that wants to see that's crazy you should look into like people will write about what they're required to do when they go to north korea they're like so tightly and if you pull out a phone camera to take a picture yeah they'll take your phone and smash it or throw your ass in jail so very very strict with what they do yes nobody knows we ever get rodman on here we'll have to pick his brain about his experience or yeah he's he's met with some of the craziest people in the world how does he get him i don't know who denise rodman oh yeah yeah and like putin and i mean he's met with like some some pretty substantial i feel like he's such a rapper i mean i'm such a huge fan right it's the reason why he's behind me so i thought of his i told you his book was like life changing for me and when i was when i was in sixth grade like i think he is just a represent i don't care what culture you come from like that but that that idea of i'm gonna do whatever i want to do i'm gonna be as bad as book was as bad as i want to be his own ideas yeah and like and like truly like not following anyway i mean there's so many things that he did trend setting wise it's so funny because now it wouldn't even seem it would not be weird at all it wouldn't seem like he wore a wedding dress now you wear a wedding dress and was like oh like everybody's like yeah he did it back when it was like it's funny you say that and that's a great example of like when he did it i had this like that's cool and i respected him because nobody was doing it now when i see people do a lot of this stuff it's just like you're you're you're copying you're not you're not as original as you're you're trying to play it out to be like there was somebody who who paved this way before and so that's why i think he's being cool now is like being a square you know a little straight laced you know i just you know i don't do anything it's like praying before the game oh my god you're rebel dude what's wrong with it yeah Doug can you look up when Dennis Robin wore the famous dress where do you wear it it was a wedding dress yeah it was a wedding dress and he wore it wore it on the cover he wore for a photo shoot was that with he showed up i don't think it was it just that or was it something else i feel like he showed up to an event he did show up to an event i can't remember what event it was and i should know this um and i and i know he did a photo shoot was this in the 90s oh yeah this is well what am i in sixth grade because he wrote about it in his book so it had to be right that was in 1996 bro listen book signing this was a it was a book signing okay this is it was for his book as bad as i want to be yeah yeah okay everybody needs to think about this for a second he was a alpha nba yeah bad mega athlete yeah badass and this is a 1996 that's a long time ago and he literally showed up to a book signing wearing a woman's wedding dress i know yeah okay so you think you're cool like that dude yeah or what is he six six two hundred yeah he's like i dare you to say some shit to him my my eyes wouldn't even be able to register what i was looking at i mean it you know it's he's he's a bit of a sad story too though like he's definitely mentally tortured and a lot of stuff like i mean i just and i first fell in love with his game right like the way he plays the game of basketball was just well he was like rebound champ yeah he was just such a role player yeah one of the best examples selfless right like he didn't have to be he didn't have to be the guy who scored the ball like he played he played defense hard and demi or anybody and his game was he studied the game i don't know if i ever told you guys this like he he studied the game of rebounding so you're bringing rebound that was what he was known for right so he's one of the greatest rebounders of all time yeah and he did sign that i'd never have heard anybody else do and and i forget who he was shooting around with one before the warm-up of a game and the his teammate was like what are you doing and he could see he could see that he was focusing on everybody and he's like he counts the spins the rotations of the ball and he knows where it's going to go between each guy so i know that when uh you know when john stockton shoots it it rotates six times before it hits the rim i know when so-and-so shoots it it rotates 12 times and if it rotates 12 times it's going to kick off three feet further back if it rotates six times it's going to be shorter to this side wow yes the whole method so and he would study it that much that of course in the real game he's probably not but you've seen it enough times that you your body you know what's interesting about that because people people see that and they're like oh that's like that's such an awesome it's probably i mean it's such a level of hyper focus oh yeah that you probably can't you probably have trouble focusing on anything else when you're that obsessed which makes you excellent and nobody else in the game was like focused in that direction yes that's what made it so unique too because it's like who's it's not the glory you know that like what he's doing is like massively important and like way under looked and and so for him to do that it was even more of like i mean that that was like profound dude you know speaking of this i'm so glad we get to do this for a split moment right i know the content that i get to listen to so i actually time is almost up i'll get it in there real quick you actually you both will really appreciate this i just saw in an interview with and i can't think of the guy's name i'll see if i shared the clip who uh you used to train jordan back in the days and one of the things this is before any the tech that we have now this is before and we talk about the trainers and coaches being so horrible back in the days and then even today like these guys these professional athletes higher in the wrong guy they actually had figured out like load management back all the way back then and that he would watch a tape of a game so afterwards he said we said that the recorded on a beta disk and then i'd go back and i would count how many times he cut left versus how many times he cut right how many times he uses left hand versus how many times he uses right hand and then we would train proportionally we would train we would adjust the training in the gym he would shift the weights on what side is i had no idea they were doing that very forward thinking way forward thing i mean we have tools now that do a lot of this stuff so that we can measure the load management on these athletes but to think that jordan's guy i didn't know did i had no idea never heard that story before he was being interviewed by somebody and he were they were talking about how he used to do it by hand he used to sit there and count okay we used your right hand you know 1,750 times we use your left hand 1,400 so when we train we're gonna do this like that's wild isn't it that's so cool yeah that's so smart that's back in the 90s yeah i did wow baby this that'd be early 90s yeah yeah isn't that cool yeah you guys have a story behind beta right why that failed you know it's better than vcr vhs sorry the the big uh i did hear that yeah so what was the crash people like young people are like what are they talking about all right back in the day we used to watch things on a vhs tape and there was a competitor to it in the early days called beta which was smaller i thought it was beta was the big disc no no beta was the smaller tape it looked like a vhs but small oh what was the big those are laziness oh i thought that was called beta my god okay oh so that was after so beta were little they were smaller they look like vhs tape maybe don't you look up vhs versus beta and connect the tv to because i think it's disconnected but it's smaller it had better sound better clarity fit more on smaller tape so you think well how the hell did they lose to because vhs obviously dominated and beta went out of business yeah beta uh made an exclusive deal with sony and said we will not do anything else except with sony beta players we will not create these that work with other players vhs said we'll we'll let it work with any player that wants to work with us and there it is yeah see the top the top left one and is that that's the reason why it died that's because they made a stupid business decision wasn't that the same case with blu-ray and uh whatever the yeah the competitor was to that i think it was um hd right hd dvd yeah hd so isn't that still like actually i you know you were talking about is that's actually was going through my head is like i haven't looked that up in a while to see how the competition between blu-ray and hd dvds are still going did i mean streaming has got to be i mean do people still buy blu-rays you could still get go to the best buy and buy a blu-ray it's kind of smart to do that because you know sometimes it's finicky like these these streaming services like in your uh whatever if your internet or something spotty i swear like i i mean i still have to have i bought something i so i went which is so funny because you can go now and for next to nothing get a really good sony high definition blu-ray player yeah like does it now do you have to plug it in the tv or is it wireless do you have to plug it in the tv uh so i went and bought i bought one because when we well right when we moved to this this this most recent house uh we didn't have any any internet connected and they weren't going to be out for like scheduled for like two weeks and i'm like oh my god two weeks couldn't stream anything you know no internet can't do like you forget you're like oh my god we have no we can't watch a show we can't do anything and so i thought which was fine for like a week or so then i'm like okay like it would be nice friday night to like watch a movie or something so i'm like i'm gonna go see you what the and i'm like they were like nothing it was like 30 bucks or something i can get like a blu-ray disc and they got like five or six you remember how much those cost the blu-ray oh blu-ray is like 400 something back yet yeah i was so mad i sold all of those dude nothing no i gave mine practically away too i mean they're who knows i doubt they're gonna be worth very much money in the in the future or not did you look up dug at what happened with the blu-ray or hdv like if there was blu-ray versus what is it hdvd yeah that's for sure that's right yeah i'm interested to see because i think that was the same thing right it was like we made an exclusive deal like you don't learn your lesson from beta let's see uh blu-ray is to step ahead with it's okay better imagery uh maybe because it was better than what one thing i saw between the two is that sony owned blu-ray and toshiba owned hdvd and sony as a company just once again sony you had much more money than toshiba did as they grew oh and and blu-ray was i mean as far as i remember blu-ray was always a higher quality you gotta love you gotta love markets because we don't just get one new way to show media we get two or three yeah like happens at the same time and we get to pick well it just shows you and then also a blu-ray player was four hundred dollars back when money was worth more too yeah and now you went for 30 bucks yeah that's crazy i mean it just shows you too like just how massive our consumer market is that like i mean there's a huge business and you know that's actually a model that a lot of people follow is they'll look for things that haven't made it to the states that have proven somewhere else and it's like a guaranteed model like we have enough of it you've already tested it yeah it's been tested somewhere else it worked it's like there's a i think you know we brought this up when we were in london i was so surprised by the lack of energy drinks they had there oh yeah did you notice that it was just like monster was it monster a red bull red bull that was it those are the only two like in our in the energy drink market period yeah oh yeah no here in the us you go to uh we joked about any gas station any seven shops are weak of you know any piss people off i mean it's not yeah you guys did not great you guys didn't like the coffee which is astounding because you're in europe i'm like what is happening yeah both you guys hate it i don't drink coffee but you guys hated the coffee yeah i didn't have a good coffee i didn't have a good energy experience period i was like i didn't sleep very well maybe they just sleep better than us you know they're just americans yeah they don't need as much like but i mean i thought that was we went to a lot of different you know places that would carry an convenience store yeah and they only had red bull they only had more and a very limited selection of that i mean you in the us you go to a gas station you go to seven different brands at least that it's there's a whole like section of just so interesting how we like our drugs here how much more we have here versus there i mean it also i think speaks to the opportunity is over there for a competitor to sneak in and do it i know we were talking about that yeah maybe i'll start a supplement company there yeah you might be okay come on guys hey so you want to hear something wild so i just read in uh what was i i think it was i don't remember what what magazine it was but i online i pulled up this article for the first time ever this is a trip for the first time ever scientists witnessed chimpanzees killing gorillas what no yeah so chimpanzees are closest relatives right and they they they're vicious they wage war yeah they actually wage war against each other and have tactics they eat each other too after they win they're fucking vicious right and they and they have tactics where they'll they'll strategies for waging war so they actually know how to organize well that's what they do with the gorillas so researchers heard screaming that they're like oh my god that sounds like what chimps do when they fight when they go to war so they went and found them and the chimps had organized and surrounded the gorillas and it was like a ratio of 27 to 5 so 27 chimps to 5 gorillas can we put this on the bingo board for apocalyptic things about to happen you know planet the apes style they're organizing you know oh my god yeah dude so they they i guess they got to they organized got together and 27 chimps got together and killed oh my five gorillas that's crazy that's fucked up yeah that is great and i mean especially if you're a gorilla because you're just so big i so want to see it like i want to know i want to get it let's see if there's a video that would be this has to be like the only time they've ever seen an encounter like this is the first way your muscle like that thing is not messing around it is but maybe gorillas are just more peaceful well chimps are just like 27 to 5 is a big difference oh yeah well it's not like chimps are weak like more defensive you mean like yeah look at humans like we are pussies in the animal world there's almost isn't an animal that can't kick our ass and yet we you know beat the crap at everyone because of our warlike you know nature and how we organize for sure and chimps are you know they they organized in that way did you find it they do and i think too they've shown that they used no that's not the same thing that i read but not having they haven't they shown that they've been able to figure out like tools on their own too yeah yeah that was a little crazy like that that's been the only species that's like they've studied that has evolved a little bit yes right yeah they've seen them actually evolve their skills yeah pass them on which is i don't think this is the same one interesting yeah but um anyway i don't know they're like this is like they're teaming up on it i believe you said like 27 it was 27 chimps to 5 gorillas i know gorillas are terrifying you know oh yeah but when you you know chimps apparently you ever see that one video where this guy's like that they're doing like um a tour and then the guy was just kind of a little bit close and a gorilla comes by and then just grabs his leg and just starts dragging he couldn't do anything about it you're like he was a tour guy he's like telling everybody it just walked by and you're coming with me yeah it just grabbed his leg like he was like his blankie or something do you remember that woman who had a pet chimp and she gave the pet chimp a wine in xanax do you guys remember this oh yeah and then it ripped off her face yeah it went crazy and like not like kind of that's when we were podcasting if someone bring that someone brought that up one day a long time ago i'm sorry i did i know what was she doing with in bed they're sleeping don't you always think about it so i what was she doing i follow a bunch of pages i follow a bunch of pages were uh because i was getting some of that month fast day with these guys that have this is so bad fast day with these guys that have like these big cats as pets she don't say to the house like i mean and dudes be putting their their head in their mouth i'm never surprised when i read some shit like man mauled by his pet life i know what the of course dude i'm more surprised when man is not mauled that's surprising yeah that could be that could be talking about like i saw that cougar coming in to like wake the guy yes yeah like oh my god his face is this big you know i know i'd so i'd trip out what i see i know but that was she definitely was having sex with that monkey i mean there's no question there's no why would you give a monkey wine in xanax you're like chill out baby yeah well we saw even the scientist you know a lady that was jerking off dolphins yeah so you know it's um it's interesting people are weird some weird people keep that illegal please yeah i know what they're trying to do next they're trying to pass some laws yeah well speaking of fighting and stuff someone put notes up there are daycare fights what happened oh yes that sounds like bum fights somewhere i don't know where's the video daycare fights i'm serious pull up it's like is that really real yeah there's these two people that were running a daycare they got busted because no they literally started to allow these kids to work it out no and then turned it into like a thing where they're like having these kids together having them fight at a daycare hey that's kind of like what a bad teenage boy version of you would do some shit like this sounds like a horrible like vince von movie or something the big brothers are all the big brothers of the kids run oh my god i'm still right like hey come on i just picture like they have like a little like a little ring look at you look at these u.s daycare workers arrested for running fight ring involve three three year old three year old like is it really consider a fight ring at that point like dude imagine like a little tell me we have some clips of them caught up i want to see i wasn't three year old's fight i mean i can't be that bad right no right it can't be that bad i mean i see three old final time i have a three year old yeah like wow i mean okay so maybe the kids okay so there's i think you've found out there's a fine there's a fine line here right so there's a fine line of like where this is like somewhat understandable then borderline this is completely no no listen listen okay do you not do you not think when we back in the back in the days that we if kids started to get into it you don't think that we probably allowed them to settle it i think parent out you think when it you think it was hundreds of you think yeah well that's what i'm saying that's right that's where the crossing the line is like putting them in a ring and be like you know like cock fighting you're like this and yeah you're doing this with them to try and get them pissed off at their own little like corners and they're like coaching them like oh that's okay that's over the top but if it was you know two kids scuffling you're like hey let's see how this can settle it out that's different because maybe they're not going to fight they're just going to yell or cry or whatever right right so that's what this is they're like violent they're like they're blocking them off with lego or linking logs and like you're and you're encouraged oh my god what do they give a glove and put a glove on them so they give them one glove and they're and they're just punching each other yeah you don't encourage that what yeah yeah but that kid can fight though huh as you know that yeah he's being next karma greger yeah that's he's got yeah there's something there he's like no he's like no let him finish him no no I mean there's no dad listen this is terrible like why would you encourage kids to do that yeah they obviously gave each kid a glove and then put like if I was my kid I would be whether my kid was on top or on bottom although if he was on top there'd be a little bit of problem but I would be so mad so we don't get weird red flag vibes like going into a dick you wouldn't be able to like sniff out a little bit of like well the picture of the shenanigans you know like they look suspect out the gates look like they do some shit like this and it's some shadiness there already that you're like that would make me feel they're duking it out yeah little bit of each kid had a glove so that that was organized right that's my point was like you know you're in a daycare there's two weeks and there's two kids fighting over a toy and like and hold on let's see if they settle let him settle this let's see what happens yeah that was way beyond yeah that was that was they were cheering him on get him yeah like disgusting how much how in trouble did they get today oh your ass is you better go to jail bro that's better but I mean you know how our fucking legal system is sometimes you know weird so some people that should be in jail for life or out really early and people that get life are like ridiculous you know oh dude that's I hate it especially when when weed was really punished criminally I used to hate seeing these articles were like dude molest children gets you know probation guy has an ounce of weed goes to jail for five that's what I mean exactly exactly what I'm talking about it's crazy that we have don't we still have some people that are in prison over like some bullshit marijuana still how is it that anything like any crime offense against children shouldn't be the most punished most punished yeah period like that should just be like every every state everywhere yes yes crimes against people physical harm or abuse should be punished highly to children should be punished the most yeah period end of story yeah you know speaking of other states and stuff like that uh little shout out I gave this shout out already to a buddy but I'm gonna do it again and also shout out two things with it so um I mentioned maybe like I don't know a couple months ago I talked to you guys about a guy that I follow online his handle is Kendrick underscore barbecue love is stuff right so we ended up he ended he didn't know who we were actually a bunch of people actually reached out to him and then like since then we've been come friends and connected and everything like that he's sponsored by trigger grills we all have triggers and love trigger and uh you know it's oh man we used to have a deal with him a long time ago I gotta get reconnected and I said I want to I want to put one up in our park city house and he's like dude I got you and then that was kind of the end of the conversation like literally like a couple weeks later calls me up and like sends me this video of like the top of the line iron grill all the boltons like this whole sick setup and he drives an hour from his house over to park city early them sets it all up for us gets it all good to go yeah dude so and I you know I I after he did it I was like dude you do not have to do that you know I would have paid for this and let me do something for you and he's like no not at all he goes you know what Adam he's like I've been doing this social media game for almost 10 years now I've had the opportunity I could have been on some cooking shows I've had the opportunity to do podcasts turned all that stuff down he goes you know unfortunately in this world so many people do things because they that was transactional only like they want something in return only and he goes the organic shout out that you guys did for me when I didn't even know who you were and stuff like that he's like that's one of the most real things that someone has I've encountered since I've been doing all this stuff and I just appreciate that and the irony is because he's this way we're giving him a shout out oh yeah we want to get him we want to send people his way and and so just there's also a lesson there I feel like for the younger generation that's coming up in this space you know who else reminds me of this is our good friend Don Saladino totally same he is a hundred percent yeah and I hope he doesn't mind me sharing this without giving away too much of his personal information but you know he has the opportunity I'd have any trainer I've ever met I've never met anybody who has trained more famous people than he has so he's got a list celebrity a list a whole bunch of them and one of the things he's notorious for doing is when they try and pay him he's like no I just you know get me later and he totally does not and then they're like hey you want to take a picture he's like no no no this is your private time I'm not and it's so smart because most people would if they train one of these a list actors would be jumping on the opportunity to take a photo with them of course to post them online to clout shows with them right or oh I huge opportunity to make a lot of money because this person has a lot of money so I can charge them twice what I'd in like he's the opposite on both those things and as you can see it served him very well there's a reason why he trains it's it's genuine yes he's genuine it's not for anything yeah then that's not angling he's not he's not he's not manipulating he's just like he knows he's he's good at what he does he's a good he's a genuine good dude and I and I believe that if you stay consistent with that it doesn't mean you're not going to run into slime balls and manipulative people and people that aren't going to reciprocate the the the good the good take advantage but one out of ten will and the one that I attend will I'll promise you is so worth it and and if you live your life that way I promise that you'll live in a place of abundance it just takes time and consistency and it's got to come from the right place so who's Kendrick where do we go that where's the the link for so Kendrick is Kendrick is Kendrick underscore barbecue is his handle if you're not following trigger grills you got to do that but Kendrick has got like all the sick recipes so check that all out all right what is butcher box well this is a company that takes grass-fed meats delicious grass-fed meats wild caught fish heritage pork delivers it to your door so eliminates middleman you get great prices on very healthy cuts of meat and right now if you sign up at butcher box if you go through our link that's butcher box comm forward slash mine pump you can choose a steak that they will put in your box for free for a year i'm serious this is no joke this is a huge discount so what are the stakes you got new york strip filet mignon and ribeyes like the way i said filet mignon justin i said it real good anyway you can put one of those in your box for free for an entire year but you got to go to butcher box comm forward slash mine pump all right back to the show our first caller is bruce from texas bruce what's happening how can we help you guys how are you all good bruce good good well uh yeah thanks for having me on big fan of the show and work through a few of the programs before the map stuff and uh just for everybody listening it's it's legit it works don't overthink it just uh just follow the programming and and uh i think from listening to you guys now for a couple few years i you start to get the wisdom behind uh you know how you guys have set the things up so thank you thank you bruce we'll send you your check next week yeah that's going on instagram discount code bruce um uh so okay so my my question is this it seems like um lately you guys had just happened to comment lately on training to failure a few times and my question is um you know just for us regular folks if y'all can just kind of talk about the difference between and really just practically like how does it feel when you're in the workout the difference between training to failure as opposed to you know just regular progressive overload trying to push a little bit more maybe a little bit more uh weight this week but i'm i'm i'm failing you know on that last rep of the second set and i'm failing as in i can't you know lift it all the way uh the last few reps of the third set you know and so because i understand your guys kind of advice on training to failure is it could be beneficial but certainly not the centerpiece and so just for regular guy going through his regular every week workouts how can i know that i'm not that i'm i'm just pushing myself but i'm not inadvertently falling over into training to failure which as i understand it if that's too much of what you're doing it can actually be detrimental yeah good question yeah so all right let's talk about progressive overload uh first so and the difference between that so progressive overload just means you're doing a little bit more over time and this in the the time scale can be quite long i think when you first start out it's very easy to look at progressive overload and apply it to every workout so like this workout a little more than last workout next workout a little more than this workout so it's not just weight it could be reps it could be sets so you could progressively overload could even be tempo yeah you just just just you're basically doing a little more than you were before and over long periods of time especially as you become advanced you know you want to kind of trend in that direction however it has its limitations you you can't progressively overload forever obviously i mean i've been working out since i was 14 so at this point you know my workouts should be 10 hours long with you know i'd be lifting thousands of pounds that's so it's just it's it's very good metric to look at especially the first three years two or three years of training after that i wouldn't necessarily marry it because things start to change after a particular period of time but within the first three years it's very important failure as we define it is the inability to complete to complete another rep with good form technical failure right so you're lifting away you can't lift it again with good form so you fail now some people to find failure is not even be able to move the bar i think that's beyond failure i also think that the risk versus reward with that is just not worth it i don't think it's you're going to get more of a reward all you're doing is increasing the risk of injury and or training bad recruitment patterns you know what you train is what you end up developing so if you work out with a particular technique or form that's off of what would be considered ideal well that's what you end up strengthening so we don't recommend that as well now leaving one or two in the tank okay so this is a feel thing this means that you need to kind of know what it feels like to fail and to be quite honest a lot of the benefit of occasionally training to failure for the average person i say occasional i mean really occasionally like you know one workout a month to see what this looks like is it gives you a good basis for where failure is because what typically will happen when someone's been working out for a while if they've never gone to technical failure especially for a tough exercise like a squat or you know an overhead press or something like that is that they they think that they're stopping two reps short of failure when in reality it was more like five or six and if you've ever done barbell squats to failure you know this is like you do a rep you're like oh my god that's gotta be the last one they do another one you're like okay i think i got more and it's just so painful and so tiring so exhausting that we tend to you know not predict accurately where failure so going to failure one of the big values of it is you know where to stop your your sets moving forward i'd say that's the main the main value that's the bigger value is really getting a gauge of that because i think if you've never trained to failure the thing that you just you you tend to underestimate what you got left especially in exercises like you know like a barbell back squat or a deadlift i feel like those big movements we end up getting more out but you could train forever bruce and never uh actually go to mechanical failure and still continually to to progress the body so and it's not necessary and i think especially when i'm talking to my male clients we we tend to flirt with that too much my female clients tend to never do it and i gotta kind of push them to want to do it my guys tend to want to do it all the time because we kind of have that ego inside of us because i could do more i could do more and so you're constantly doing that but if you're doing any reps where especially let's use like a bench press for an example and you and to get it up you feel yourself rolling the shoulder or arching the back more to leverage yourself to get up like you're beyond to me that's beyond failure i i want to be able to keep strict good form and finish a rep and honestly if you could barely finish that last rep that's that's pretty close to failure right there already and so getting those in there every once in a while there's value to that but if you're if you're having to squirm on the bench or cheat a side up or you do a squat and the knees cave in you feel your hips shift on the way up like we're training beyond that point and like i think a lot of people tend to do that and it's just not necessary yeah the three big factors that you manipulate because there's we could break the next these three factors down into subcategories and we can get real technical but really generally speaking the three factors that you manipulate to progress your body when it comes to strength training in particular is intensity frequency and volume okay so how intensity is how hard the workout is frequencies how often you train a particular body part or exercise and then volume would be typically and there's different ways of calculating but typically it would be you know sets times reps times the weight that you lifted and and and all of those play a role i mean there's you know 15 week studies on going to failure doing one set that show great results there's another study that shows that ramping up the volume over the over 16 weeks up to like something like 50 sets this just came out something like up to 50 sets per body part produce better results in that 16 week period there's you know studies that show training extremely frequently produces better results one thing i'll say about all of these is that if you extend all these studies long enough they'll all stop working so really what you want to do is you want to play with these factors and it's a risk versus reward thing what's working for my body how is my body responding it stopped responding let's try some novelty but i will say for most people for most people not trained to failure is going to get you better results and for most people training the whole body a few days a week is superior to other ways and and and then for most people your total sets per body part probably are going to be around 12 for the week and that's probably going to be best for most people yeah i'd say the exception really only is is competition so if you're actually like a competitor yeah good point you know barbell lifts your you know your power lifter or you know you're you're trying to hit like a new level where you're stretching your body in terms of like even if i'm training somebody through like football and we're trying to to to increase and to press and then go a little bit beyond the healthy zone so here's the thing about that there are times you know where we press our body beyond the health range of of of what we're normally training so but to their points it's it's for your average person and you're just trying to get stronger you can continually get stronger by not exceeding that so knowing that line's valuable but really like there there there is no real like solid reason why you should press it to that degree Bruce what programs of ours have you gone through a few of them i've done anabolic aesthetic which that one was tough and then the 15 minutes i did that when i had a really busy season at work because that was interesting and then i was just kind of going back through anabolic again just you know as everybody always says yes the first one everybody does and you saw all the great results so i kind of delved back into that one and that's that's why i was you know is in that phase three you know where there's a lot more volume so that's why i had this question and so so it sounds like you guys are uh is it is it correct to that you're saying like how do your sweet spot is is knowing yourself to know like okay this last rep that i did is the one i did with proper form and if i were to do another one i'm likely gonna break down yes yes and cheat the rep even if you could get it up if you gotta cheat the rep then we would consider that beyond failure right there you know what bruce let me let me send uh let let me give you the advanced maps anabolic so you can actually see how we program failure in so that program that that program has that's the only one that we only program that we actually programmed also a chance for the recovery that's necessary and so the the other part about you know the another reason why we don't promote failure training that often to people isn't necessarily too that it doesn't have its studies that support the great benefits it's that people take it always too far and you need to account for when you stretch yourself like that you also need to learn how to pull back so in that program we we scale that so you have a week where you're you're chasing failure training and then you scale back and then you're chasing failure and so you can see like especially since how you started this conversation was from listening to us over time you're starting to piece together like okay i'm getting the wisdom behind why they do what they do what a guy like you who's already piecing that together with us if you go through that program you'll start to it'll probably make sense to you like how you do that for yourself yeah yeah interesting awesome well thanks a lot guys i really appreciate it yeah man thanks for calling in yeah okay all right bruce appreciate it bruce thanks guys you got it yeah i think if most people this is i've been trying to uh kind of i guess hone this message but i think if most people who are consistent right who train all your year in year out i think if one fourth of the time they trained like they were pushing to progress and the other three fourths they were just trying to take care of themselves and maintain i think if they did that year round they'd be okay and what that would look like would be like you know three three months out of the year you're going for it or every quarter four weeks or something like that right so something like that i think is is because here's what happens when you push it really hard you do get faster results but you will quickly stop and go backwards if you don't go back and scale back and i think that one fourth is probably a good general way to look at yeah and i think people will have a misconception that we're we're not like really pressing the intensity which is not true like it's that's not what we're saying at all it's it's a matter of effort and um you can place a lot of that effort and challenge uh within the confines of doing it uh technically sound and so that's actually a lot more difficult because you know you rely a lot of times on momentum in your body to kind of contort and and be able to compensate to to be able to get the weight to go where it needs to go but to do that with sound technical form is much more challenging listen i love that we we don't push failure because you can to your point that you made talking to him that you could never train to failure and you could sculpt shape get get stronger you could do everything and never train to failure does that mean that we don't think there's value to it no i just think that the message is the opposite in the space the reason why we get questions like this all the time still and why we're constantly having to repeat this stuff is because the the general population or is being told that they don't train intense enough and intensity is such a major factor in in their results and you got to push harder and then and all the videos that you see are these videos of people struggling and challenging and pushing that intensity and so the the the mainstream narrative around training is most people the reason why you don't look that way is you don't train hard enough and so that's not true and i think that i like that we counter that message it's not that none of us in here trained to failure we don't use that tool we have a program where we've programmed it in there it's just it's not the end all be all and in fact i think most people overuse it and abuse it so i look do you want to just do you want to train hard or do you want to get the best results if you just want to train hard and then you know turn off this podcast you don't need anybody's advice go to the gym and go bang your head on the wall if you want results there's a smart way to do it that's all it is and there's the smart way to do it uses and manipulates those factors and ways to to get the body to goad the body to adapt and respond this whole idea of forcing the body uh and and what that paints and you know in our minds which is i gotta beat the crap out of myself otherwise nothing nothing's gonna happen nothing will happen if that's your mentality did you say goad yep great verb there our next caller is noa from new hampshire no what's happening how can we help you hey guys um so first off i know everybody says this but just thank you for what you guys do um you guys are great role models i mean like i have an awesome dad but just it's great to have three others out there so thank you right on man thank you man um so i uh a little about me so i'm uh 23 and i'm getting married next year hey uh yeah congratulations what'd you say congratulations thank you thank you um so i guess my question is uh do you have any advice for someone who wants to get as jacked as possible in a year so just a little background so about me uh i discovered you guys during the pandemic uh at that point i was 250 pounds oh pretty obese um no weight training experience or knowledge and then after listening to you guys i'm in a much healthier place um so over the course of the last like three and a half four years i got down to about 170 pounds um through weight lifting and cardio or weightlifting but no cardio um i got to a place that i was like relatively happy with um never really broke 15 body fat i'm pretty sure um but i was i was healthy um but that said uh now that my uh fiance and i are doing long distance she's away to school um and i have sort of the time and the money to push myself that's what i want to do um so that said though right now i'm at around 190 pounds eating about 3000 calories a day i do track um and i sort of took the summer off just a little bit so you know eat ice cream you know not training super consistently that said i now want to get back to it and basically looking to get as big and jacked as possible in a year so that said what's your advice all right you're in a good place yeah you're in a good place she's already gonna marry you you don't need to work out anymore that's like the last straw yeah all right so um do you do you know so you were at your 190 now eating about 3000 calories a day you said correct yeah but you had originally you had gotten down to 170 so you put on another 20 is it muscle body fat what did you put on you know that's that's a good question so the photos that i sent you i was about 170 175 um since then i've definitely put on muscle uh but i've definitely also put body fat on so like i lost most of the definition in my core i'm stronger but not nearly as lean i would say i'm closer to 19 or 20% body fat gotcha okay so here's what i would do i would go on a cut to start well you have a year right i have well now it's closer to 10 months okay i would go on a cut and then i would go on a bulk and then i would go in a cut again i would alternate between cut and bulk just to give you that kind of lean body mass that you're looking for how do you want to look on your wedding day big or lean i definitely don't say big lean by the way i know i know i definitely would rather be lean than big okay so that's how i would i would make sure to end your workout cycle your diet with a cut going into your wedding but i would start with a cut and then go into a bulk and then follow our what do you have our programs you follow any of them yeah yeah i um yeah i forgot to mention that so i have a lot of your programs um i've run anabolic a bunch i started out in aesthetic and lived in that early on in my fitness journey until i heard that you guys say that's not like the best program to live in um so i've done anabolic a bunch um currently doing split though okay how do we have a full year what's our do we have a full year months in 10 months that we have yeah so basically three programs is what we would do then yeah i mean i i love anabolic performance and then either indian aesthetic or symmetry oh you can go see oh yeah dude i think you should do symmetry how far are you into split and how is the volume is it too much for you is it okay no i i like the volume um i'm only well i mean i'm only a couple weeks in at the moment okay all right so you have about maybe another uh almost three months left with split pretty much okay go in a cut now i would go in a in a small deficit so if your maintenance is 3000 bring it down to about 2500 after split go on a bulk uh with symmetry and then let's have you end with anabolic with which is you know going to be your kind of traditional mass builder i think that would be a good approach now the key is going to be to really listen to your body and be consistent consistent in the sense that we can get carried away with both a cut and a bulk right we can get carried away with cut where we go too deep too low with the calories and then the bulk a lot of times people just lose track and they just they're not really looking at oh i'm 500 calories above maintenance they just eat like crazy so if you're consistent 10 months is a long time you can make huge like incredible transformation in 10 months the key here and you know you might be looking for like a like a magic answer a secret answer really it's about consistency it's everything is going to be the diet bro yeah you've got a good base right now you've got an experience of lifting so this isn't foreign to you your uh good amount of calories where you're at right now like you have a good amount of time you sounds like you're your dedication it's literally going to be how consistent to the nutrition can you stay yep and if you really want if you want to really blow her socks off and you want to have the build the best physique you've ever had on your wedding day it really will be can you discipline yourself for 10 months to sacrifice all the nutritional temptations that are going to happen and if you can you're going to have an incredible and this is what i'll do since you have a bunch of our programs i'll have Doug put you in the forum and if you do this for me it's once a month give us a check back in where you're at this is how many calories i've been eating for the last three to four weeks boys here's where here's where my current physique is at like give me a little insight on how you're feeling what you've been doing how consistent you've been or like that and then we can give you like little adjustments from month to month all the way till your wedding yeah now when we say consistency that the tough part typically is the weekends for people and so it's gotta be consistent consistent like you're always on point if you're always on point for the next 10 months you're gonna make such a radical transformation in your physique it's gonna it's gonna be crazy it'll be insane so that's that's the key right that's like the secret thing right there is you know don't miss workouts be consistent with your sleep because by the way everything that we're saying requires a skill that is gonna make you an incredible husband in one day hopefully an incredible father which is discipline a discipline man is a good man because uh undisciplined over wild you know men have a huge potential for all kinds of craziness so discipline training it in any different in any way is going to make you a better man especially at your age or 23 so if you can be if you can show yourself consistency for 10 months with all these things and not go off the rails not go out with your buddies and drink not go eat a bunch of whatever not miss workouts because you don't feel like it not go to bed late because you want to watch something or play video games right if you could do that you will develop a lot of discipline by the end of this and it will make you a better husband and a better father for sure on that note you know how's your self-awareness what's uh if you had to tell me like Adam this is my weakness or this is my biggest challenge either nutritionally or being consistent with the lifting on certain days like where's your Achilles heel where do you struggle the most that's a good question I'm I would say probably um you know I go to the gym consistently but there's there's definitely some days that I'll you know skip the compound movement just because you know it's it's hard and so I could be better about that okay um I mean I'm definitely consistent with my diet for the most part consistent with the gym for the most part but I definitely could be better about just 100 consistency okay I mean that's a good goal right there in itself is to not not skip the compound because those those squats and deadlifts and overhead press are going to pack on the most amount of muscle that's right and show you the greatest change so disciplining yourself there the thing I was looking for is like your your your treat or your nutritional habit I know you mentioned you have like ice cream like you're doing the summer and stuff like that be aware of what like if you are guilty of not only having like the ice cream here and there but also what I tended to do at your age is miss my protein intake right I ate the ice cream and then I also missed the protein intake and then that was also the week where I didn't squat you know like that's a like string string together weeks where that doesn't happen it's going to make a huge difference in your progress so but if you post in the forum once a month and give us an update on on where you're at what you're doing what what the last four weeks have been like the boys and I can can make subtle adjustments along the way and get you looking shredded by wedding time awesome yeah I'd really appreciate that thank you you guys yeah that'd be awesome I'll do that congratulations again thank you thank you all right I got it thanks for calling 23 is young huh young kid getting married that's good stuff yeah it's uh this this is a good exercise of discipline you know and that's what I mean that's what the next phase is for a young man is you know you're you go into that phase of of of manhood of adulthood where you you have to you have to be consistent in discipline because you know life life gets hard life is stressful yeah the message around consistency is such a blah generic thing that you probably everybody hears from every you know why people miss the the uh under they undervalue it they think oh yeah okay I heard consistent yeah like no no it's like already had known listen if if one day a week you're off every week versus someone who's on every single day every week dramatic difference this is why I love and hopefully he listens to this part too so and it was around this time in his my life when I started to piece this one together I've shared this hack before and that was I when I when I set a goal like this for like a 10 months a long time I it's inevitable that I don't care I mean maybe you're a competitor you and you're in you're obsessed and you might be able to string 10 months of perfection of never missing anything that's not likely right it's what's likely is that right you're gonna have a day or two here and there in that process so that's inevitable so my goal is like here's what I nutritionally need to do every single day here's what I need to do training or activity wise every single day let me see how many days I can string together and not mess that up at all and be perfect when that happens say day 11 you miss you end up not hitting your protein intake or you missed that you didn't squat or like that okay that's not a perfect day I'm back to zero now I gotta beat 11 days and I would just keep playing this game of every time I didn't have a perfect day I'm back to my streak of consistency to zero and then try and beat it the last and then yeah and then what ends up happening is now I've strung 17 days in a row and oh now I've done 30 days in a row and then before you know you look back you're like oh shit I've actually put together two and a half months of perfection and over the total I've only had four bad days in six months that that's how you move the needle that's the stuff you need to peer into you because I mean I was like racking my brain I don't even remember what you recommended program wise doesn't really matter to be honest with you I mean yes it does like in terms of like which ones like promote the most muscle building but the consistency without the consistency like we could mention anything and it's not really you know you're right you're right we he could literally run three of any of our programs if he's if he's consistent with the lifting and he's dialed on the nutrition he'll he'll transform our program done consistently superior to a perfect program done inconsistently that's right our next color is Lorenzo from New York Lorenzo what's happening how can we help you gentlemen it's a it's an honor and a pleasure guys right on what's happening what's happening I just have to say um you know obviously your programs and your fitness advice have changed lives but I think we'll put you guys over the top is the transparency and the honesty that you guys share with your family lives your journey your health issues and etc etc and people can really relate to that and I appreciate that about you guys thank you thank you absolutely so a little background um I'm 51 um 61 187 I've worked out on and off for you know 30 plus years a lot of running involved I was on the track team all that etc I've always bench pressed probably hit maybe 250 270 back in the day um I never deadlisted consistently until about a year and a half ago with anabolic um that quickly went to about 405 on that 405 now nice you know I'm no spring chicken so the numbers aren't extremely important but you know I am concerned with getting stronger and continuing on that path um I feel like my ceiling for uh my deadlift is so much higher than my ceiling on my uh on my bench press when I bench press anywhere around 200 and above I start to feel it in my frame in my bones and with deadlift I can easily see getting to probably 500 pounds I don't know what the breakdown is as far as the percentages of what it should be etc but um you know I have long arms I have skinny joints um not using that as an excuse but kind of sort of but um you know I'm happy with aesthetically I'm happy with you know my build I've always had a well developed chest so I didn't really have to do much but I'm just wondering I hear about um imbalances when it comes to left versus right and I'm wondering if posterior anterior muscular development and imbalances are a thing as well as far as that causing injuries in the future and what have you yeah that's a good question there's there's there's that's that can always happen um usually it's either way yeah usually if you it's the injuries happen when people push more than they pull um you should be able to pull more than you push by the way the leverages that make you a good deadlifter are also the same leverages that are going to make you a bad bench presser so you know if you if you deadlift well you probably do have long arms um if you're benched real well you probably have short arms um that's just one example so really really good bench pressers are almost never really good deadlifters and uh and vice versa and if I had a client I would want you to have a stronger posterior chain because everything we do it is anteriorly driven you drive your car all day long your arms are in front of you eat everything everything you do is rounding and closing the body so being really strong on the opposing side is a very healthy good thing good bad that's a good balance to have even though the numbers right you're not bench pressing 400 pounds and you're deadlifting 400 pounds that doesn't make you in balance in that area like you we do so much stuff uh in in in anterior that having a strong posterior chain is is most people don't have a strong enough posterior chain I would worry about the the imbalances that I would worry about the most I guess the most common imbalances are right to left yeah right to left is is one hip flexor to core stability is another that's a little bit more specific um anterior to posterior you'll see this with shoulder injuries often people like bench press a lot this doesn't happen as much as it used to like when we were young you know you're the same age group Lorenzo you know we go to the gym and in my teens like nobody was deadlifting and everybody was bench pressing and uh then you would see shoulder injuries as a result like shoulder pain but I wouldn't worry too much about about the pulling versus pushing in your case but if you have right to left big big discrepancies that can definitely cause problems map symmetry because I'm not the favor one over the other listen I love deadlifting it's more nuanced and I guess you know that's a big reason why I just love it and plus I'm built more for it but so you're just saying just continue to push the ceiling and both I do you know continue to enjoy bench pressing as well and use it as a motivation to get stronger but uh just continue and let my body tell me right that's right yeah that's it I'd like to I'd like to send you map symmetry I think you would enjoy that and since this is a question about imbalances like map symmetry the way it's laid out you have an isometric portion then you have unilateral stuff so you're gonna like Sal's point you're gonna see if there's any discrepancy left or right um and that you'll be able to address that and then at the end of the program uh it ends in a like a five by five type of face so then you'll get to go back to your deadlifting and squatting and then see how training unilateral for a while has improved that so I think that'd be a good way to interrupt your your training totally and you know I noticed that you're a a mail carrier um so I've worked with mail carriers before a lot of steps in yeah you get those steps but I've noticed with mail carriers amazing calves we sometimes see a right to left imbalance because they'll always carry uh their bag on one side and because there's so much movement throughout the day repeated movement that I've like I said I've worked with some and there was there would be an imbalance between right and left and I had to have them switch the bag to the other side to try to balance things out while we trained because it was really hard to overcome when you know you know for seven eight hours a day they're they're walking with a bag around the same shoulder it's funny you say that because I stopped using my bag years ago the volume has decreased but I it was noticeable I used to carry it on my right side and it was just so noticeable that I was I was just like there's something wrong with you know me carrying all this mail I would break it up or do what I had to do I rarely carry a bag nowadays okay all right good deal good deal but yeah symmetry will symmetry be great go ahead um my girlfriend she's been running anabolic as well and um sometimes when she can't get to the gym she doesn't do she feels guilty which is a good thing but she doesn't turn that guilt into doing her trigger sessions so her name is Chanel could you just please tell Chanel the importance of doing her trigger sessions I don't know if that's a word I never met a woman that that does something because her boyfriend or husband that's why that's why he's having you do it so it's coming it's coming for you she knows he told us no you know okay so here's a deal with trigger sessions uh trigger sessions whatever results you get with maps anabolic you can confidently add about five to ten percent by doing trigger sessions okay so it's not all the results but five to ten percent on top of what you're already doing by just doing some trigger sessions is a big deal and I mean that in terms of muscle growth strength and fat loss so it's not it's it's still significant so people will skip it thinking it's not it's you know in consequential it's not like you will get like I said five to ten percent better results by doing those consistently one of the best things that I ever did was allow myself that that okay if I didn't get to the gym because that was all or nothing most of my lifting career is like oh if I didn't get hard work out in then fuck it I'm not gonna do anything and one of the best things I did was get rid of that mentality of like hey even three sets of body weight squats or lunges or a hundred push-ups is actually way more beneficial than I think it is like it's not like it has to be an either or and so if you missed the gym then hey get in some body weight squats that take you five ten minutes do or do some trigger sessions and you'll see doing because what's gonna happen is over a course of a year you're gonna have a bunch of days that you missed we're all human like we're and we're not all competitors and give a shit if we miss a workout here and there so instead of writing it off completely just do something you know or even like I like like so what Katrina and I will do sometimes too is we know we missed the gym the day so we'll go out of our way to get an hour walk that we normally wouldn't do is like just do something to promote you know health or making a good choice just because you didn't lift weights doesn't mean there's not something else that you can do awesome I picked up and a while like advanced would I run that before symmetry or after run symmetry first and that's actually great program to follow up with it yep yep awesome yep thank you so much guys I appreciate you guys all right brother thank you he looks pretty good for 51 man it looks great what the hell's happening to me and he's I mean he was never a deadlifter and now he's pulling 400 pounds I know well I mean that's a listen I this is so true like like the greatest the greatest pressers are terrible deadlifters and the greatest deadlifters tend to be terrible that's why I like powerlifting the way they have it structured because it is like that you know the leverage is is very obvious you know where you have your advantages and disadvantages and to be able to work on your disadvantages you know it's just going to bring your whole body up 100% and then again for people listening right now you don't want to push more than you can pull and when I say pull I mean row deadlift is part of it but really like row and right to left that's where the issues happen is when the right to left is off that's when you start to see some big problems our next caller is Megan from Indiana hi Megan how can we help you hey guys I'm super excited for the chance to talk to you guys a little bit um so I'll just jump right into it thank you um I started getting really serious about my health and fitness around December of last year I've always been a super active person I was a college athlete I played softball and I work as an ecologist now so I'm outside walking several miles usually a day when I'm in the field not to mention I'm the mom of two young boys a year and a half and five years old and when I was pregnant with my first one I found out that I had a thyroid disease so first off I wanted to say thank you guys after listening to some of your episodes on hormones I worked up the courage to go see a functional medicine doctor and I'm so glad I did I did that in September so I'm 32 years young I say young but some days I question and I just was feeling off so after I had my second son I've had some very bad anxiety depression and weight gain I've been meal prepping since January breakfast lunch and dinner I started going to the gym try to feel better both mentally and physically and to get stronger and burn fat and despite all the meal prep and workouts I've gained like 30 pounds since January you know I expected some weight gain but I felt like that was a little excessive and it seems like I'm doing everything right my husband even jumped on board and of course his results are amazing so don't get me wrong I you know I've gotten stronger and I I have lost some fat but it just seems like the midsection won't go away and that is part of the reason I went to the functional medicine as well as other symptoms such as no energy super tired and absolutely zero libido she did a hormone test and a test for t3 and she found that despite my t4 and my tsh being in range my t3 was low and my progesterone was super low it was like a 23 I don't know if you know much about the scale for that it was a 23 and I should have been between like a 60 and 100 my dha was a 2 and I should have been between like a 3 and a 10 so turns out I wasn't as crazy feeling as I thought I was I'm now starting treatments for these issues I've just been super discouraged by the lack of fat loss in the midsection you know like I said I've had tremendous gains I'm bench pressing 180 I'm squatting 250 I'm deadlifting 350 wow you're strong so yeah like the gains have been amazing I'm really happy with my results in the gym but my question now is do I need to focus on more reps with lighter weight or stick with the heavy lifting to try to get that stubborn hormone hormonal belly fat to go I'm currently at my heaviest weight I've lost a few pounds since since September so I'm down to about 250 you know that's going to the gym three to four days week goal weight is like 180 um like I said my husband's been super supportive through the whole process I've always struggled um with my weight and my size and I you know at this point I'm just super discouraged you know finding the the hormone results um just I don't know that's just really a okay don't let that don't don't let that discourage you that's actually a really good thing I mean think about the the hard work the consistency you've been putting in and being frustrated that you're not seeing the amount of results you want to see and you've just unlocked and figured that out I mean it would actually I would be now I would be a little discouraged and frustrated had you gone through all that hard work that consistency and then you found out you're perfectly balanced and you're normal like what the hell's going on then that would be that would be discouraging it's actually really encouraging that you've actually seen the strength gains the results that you have and and hormonally we've been kind of all over the board right now so Megan is it is it Hashimoto's or hypothyroidism did you identify did you test for antibodies yeah it's hypo I'm not sure if it's Hashimoto's or not but um she said it was hypothyroid so okay are you going to be a going on uh on on some t3 medication and some dha or she doing some other stuff first yes I uh just started taking um lyothyronine for my t3 and I'm taking a progesterone cream and a dha as well now okay and did you test for antibodies just to make sure you don't have any any antibodies to your thyroid um she I'm not 100 sure I would have to to check with those results make sure you check and ask I'm sure she did if she's functional medicine she probably did because if you have antibodies then taking more thyroid uh isn't going to necessarily help that's just gonna your body's not going to necessarily utilize it are you going through one of our friends or you did you find a different uh therapist yourself no this was a local uh medicine doctor here yeah so make sure that they tested for antibodies I'm sure they did it's one of the first things that they'll test when they look at thyroid now you said you recently have lost some weight is that because you added the thyroid medication and the progesterone is that what happened or what would change last month yeah so that has changed and I I really cut back more on my carbs and my fats okay I mean I don't know if that was the right thing to do because right now I'm around to well I was my goal before was 2000 calories and I've cut that down to about 1800 now okay so you're at 1800 for the last month and you've seen some weight loss yeah okay good um you're you're moving in the right direction yeah you're doing all the right stuff so the only things I would check on would be I would have uh gut health tested um I would have if you haven't already I would see uh and have them test you for antibodies uh so if you have any autoimmune issue with your thyroid and then as far as your training and is concerned you asked about high reps high reps low reps really all of its muscle building the reason why you switch from one to the other is because your your body got a custom novelty to training one way so if you've been training lower reps for a while let's say five or six weeks I would go to higher reps just to get that new are you running one of our programs right now or no uh yeah so I started the year with anabolic and um I'm actually on the peak week for uh power lift okay I was training for a I was actually training for a competition Saturday it's a local one yeah now I'm like my weight is so high like I don't I'm kind of embarrassed even oh god have you ever done a powerlifting competition yeah yeah I did one in April um that was one of the photos I submitted it was from a competition in April oh it's such a great it's such a great environment don't yeah go do it go do it keep doing it and also keeping this in mind Megan and I was surprised solid to say because he says this all the time with someone like in a situation you one thing that we what we want to be thinking of right now is getting you healthy and balanced it's far more important I know than the than the weight loss that you feel right now which I know that could be hard right you've been putting all this work in you're finally starting to get things balanced out and so you're like I want to see the results now and so you want to cut but the truth is what's going to get you to where you want to go is making sure you're 100% healthy and that your hormones are balanced and if you all of a sudden go into like a dramatic cut or you're not giving our body enough healthy fats or missing protein intake because you're trying to cut or you're pushing the body or you're you're not sleeping well and you're really pushing hard that's only going to make getting the hormones all balanced out even more difficult for you so that needs to be the priority right now and so I love the fact that you're doing power lift you're focused on strength really allow that to be the metric let the doctor do her job and balance your hormones out continue to check on that and that should be the goal right now is that you you you go back and visit her say in 30 60 days and she's like hey Megan we're doing great your levels look awesome and and that means you're you're taking care of yourself and then it'll come like it's gonna keep working on getting healthy as possible I mean my wife went through this exact same process found out she had Hashimoto's but you know even the the thyroid medication itself it took like over a year you know to to really fine tune get the right dose you know find the right medication for that and then once you know that was the right formula it was like boom then all of a sudden this this weight loss you know that had been you know looming forever you know started to happen but you know it's everybody's individual with it you know you just focus on staying healthy and doing what you're doing did you did you test for food sense sensitivities Megan no I've that's something I've never done and I actually listened to you guys show a while back yeah helpful so what's common not always but what's common with people who have thyroid type issues is a gluten sensitivity yep so gluten tends to if it affects the body in a in a way that's you know not celiac right if it's it can and it tends to affect the thyroid so you can either do a food sensitivity test or just on your own replace your gluten containing carbs with non-gluten containing carbs and see how you feel within a few weeks but anytime I had a client who had any kind of thyroid issue I would always remove gluten and I would say seven out of ten times we'd have a positive response so a pretty pretty significant majority okay she did recommend that I try intermittent fasting would that be something that you guys would recommend because I've heard mixed for reviews well depends on what the reason is if she's trying to give your gut health a break if she's trying to work on inflammation in that sense maybe for weight loss no no that's a terrible idea I think it just it it tends to encourage a restrict binge model of diet it's interesting that she recommended fasting with thyroid issues though because I'm really surprised she did that typically that can mess with hormones but I don't know because I don't know all of you know what you're doing and I don't know what she's looking at when she's working with you so Megan we have a free mind pump holistic health it's a free facebook forum and it's literally ran by functional medicine practitioners so they're in there and they're answering questions so that's a great community to be in and you can just cross-check and ask yeah yeah hey I'm doing more opinions exactly I think it would be a great place for you to kind of hang out and share kind of what your what your doctor's doing and what you're noticing and there's a really good community in there of people that are all going through similar stuff so do you remember why she recommended fasting to you I don't she's said she thought that window it was like a was it like a 12-8 window does that sound typical she said that she's seen people get good results with that okay all right so so with that I know I'm gonna I'm gonna maybe anger some people I would listen to a functional medicine practitioner for things related to functional medicine I would not follow a workout plan that a functional medicine practitioner gave me nor did I follow a weight loss plan that they gave me with diet now if they gave you a diet based off of health that's where you're gonna get and by the way what would Adam said earlier about focusing on your health if you become healthy and balanced the weight loss will happen if you just focus on the weight loss you're gonna be sacrificing both you're not gonna get either one if you do it that way so really the best road forward regardless is gonna be a balance those things out so that's what I would be focused on a hundred percent okay all right all right awesome thank you guys you got real quick you're following power lift let's give her a program to follow after after power lift you want to follow symmetry yeah let's do symmetry afterwards how's that sound okay yeah that sounds awesome we'll send that to you perfect yeah awesome thank you guys I appreciate it keep us post yeah keep us posted good luck on your competition taking ass yeah thank you strong as shit yeah that's great yeah 350 or devil yeah so you know I don't know who this person is working with so I saw I don't I'm this is just you know they there's good people in every space and some that are not so great what you have to be careful with as a consumer look I'm a my expertise is exercise and diet from a perspective of general health fitness and performance okay if you came to me for functional medicine advice yikes I could give some good guidelines but I'm not going to be as good as a functional medicine practitioner right yeah so you know you would want to go to that person for that but but you also same thing don't go to a a chiropractor a doctor a functional medicine practitioner you know naturopath for a get lean diet or a program to get stronger with your workouts because that's not their expertise not only that Sal but just like there is great trainers and terrible trainers just like there's great doctors and terrible doctors the functional medicine doctors are no different there's great ones and there's terrible ones so one of the things if you listen to this show that you can trust is that if we talk about somebody's business or or highlight or bring somebody on this show that we recommend we've vetted them yeah so you can't go wrong if you're working with a Dr. Becky Campbell or Stephen Cabral like these these are really really good doctors that we have had the opportunity to sit down for hours with and vet and understand how they coach and teach and what they're so utilize and then we offer a free if you're not sure you know go in the forum and and and talk to the community and ask questions and and find out for yourself if this is the right match for you but you can do that remotely you don't have to be in person a lot of these tests they mail them in they look at your blood work and results and they're going to be able to you don't need to have somebody you sit in an office with to do this anymore you can absolutely do this virtually and so my recommendation would be to to utilize these sources that we've already vetted for you totally look if you like mine pump head over to mine pump free calm and check out all of our free fitness guides they're free check 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