 the Giants have been dreadful. Do you realize that they have two wins and one of them is because the kicker for the Bucks just pushed a field goal that would have won the game. That's right. I mean well look at that is the coming-out party for Daniel Jones. And it was. Yeah but the Bucks could have won the game. Should have won the game. Yeah. So they have one win really but we're giving them two and not taking away that win. So they have five weeks left in the season. What do they have to do in the five weeks for you Don for Pat Sherman to keep his job. The team has lost seven straight. They're seven and 20 during his year and a half in charge. So is he the right guy for this job. You know I was reading a couple of things today where the the Mariners and the Tishes would be loath to get rid of their head coach again after two years which is what they did with McAdoo because how the fans would react and how it would look doesn't matter how it looks. They have to make a very rational decision. Is he the right guy for the job. If he's the right guy for the job you keep him. Despite what the record is. If you see stuff happening behind the scenes and Dave Gettemann thinks that the talent that he's giving him is being utilized properly then you keep him. But if you don't think he's the right guy and you look like a bunch of fools for getting rid of another coach in two years you can't worry about that. You just don't miraculously just say we think he's the right guy for the job. Why do you think he's the right guy for the job. Because if you go four and twelve you're talking about you're talking about a coach that's won nine games in the last two years so how do you know he's the right guy for the job. They have to know that. I would ask them why. I mean we talk about it's almost as if we're getting talked down to every week by these coaches and general managers. Well you Philistines out there you judge it by wins and losses but we're so much smarter than you we judge it by something deeper than just the final score. All right what are you judging it on because although I think Jones has been fine has he started to grow into a quarterback that you feel confident is going to be the one to lead them next year. Do you feel good about this defense is it getting better are the games getting better. I mean that's the thing Michael it's one thing to lose games but are they are they getting better are they getting closer to winning these games that was a winnable game against Chicago. Trabisky was awful and yet they couldn't find a way to close. You know we're praising the Jets for their three straight wins the Jets didn't play great against the Giants you know they they they did some things defensively but they were also brutal defensively. All right and the Giants still could not beat them so they've got five games left as you said. All right it's difficult to put a win-loss total on it because some of them are very difficult. Miami and Washington are the two games that you figured you got to win those right. If you want to keep your job you've got to win those so they're they're they're two and nine so that's got to be two wins right there. They're home against Green Bay the Giants never win at home and Green Bay is coming up a real disappointing outing against San Francisco. I give them no shot on Sunday zero. Then you got two games against Philadelphia. I'm sorry sorry Andrew does Philadelphia look like a world beater. Does Philadelphia look like a team that's impossible to beat. So defensively they're they're very tough. So what I would say is you know what if you want to keep your job you've got five games left can you win three of them. So I'm asking you to beat Miami and Washington which I think anybody should be able to do and then steal one of the games against Green Bay and the two against Philadelphia. But if you're just going to get smoked in those two games and win by a field goal against Miami and Washington what are we doing here. I also believe that if you don't win Miami and Washington he probably is going to lose his job. Well now you're looking at a team that's going to that went from five and 11 to now three and 13. Now I'm not advocating for him to lose his job because again we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. Would you at least say that it's up for grabs at this point. It's absolutely and the best thing that you could say about I'm not getting fired is that the Giants had to do the same thing to McAdoo. That's probably a saving grace because if he followed Coughlin I don't think he'd have much of a chance to survive. That's what I was trying to hit at the beginning of this. It doesn't matter how it looks if you think he's wrong for the job he's got to go. You can't worry about the optics of firing another coach after two years you just got to do it. I'm with you but that doesn't mean that that's how they're going to go. Yeah but I've always said this over and over and over again and usually we're talking about the Mets with this. You can't you can't build and manage your team because of what fans say fans are fanatics. They want changes every minute. I understand that but I don't think it's a fan outcry fire Schermer that you do it. You do it because you brought this guy in. You thought he was the right guy for the job. And you turn around and win nine games combined in two years. So you were obviously wrong. And now do you just be stubborn and say we can't be we're just going to keep we're going to keep doing it. We believe there's something there to you just say you know what my bad. We messed up. We brought in a guy we thought was the right guy. He's the wrong guy. It's going to look bad optically but we don't care. We're looking to win games. We need to bring in the right kind of the job. And I will tell you this one thing that the Giants have always had going for them. They have always been looked at as the team in New York. One of the teams in New York that have great stability but other than the playoff year in in McAdoo's first year they're a train wreck. Everything they touch is a train wreck train wreck. They make bad moves. They probably kept they didn't probably they kept Jerry Reese too long. Then they're trying to win when they should have been trying to rebuild and they pick a great running back when they knew that someone down the line they needed a quarterback. Maybe that works out for them. Maybe they found the jamming Daniel Jones. Maybe they lucked into that but that couldn't have been the plan. Can I just explain to people and this is coming from a giant fan. This era of stability. Okay. This franchise does it the right way. It's a relatively new phenomena. Okay. Now I'm of an age where I can remember there was a lot of dysfunction and a lot of disorganization. You think the Jets can be a circus. What do you think the Giants were in the late 60s throughout the entire 70s with the number of quarterbacks the number of coaches. I mean they had no idea what was going on and we've talked about it chapter and verse. Finally the league has to step in on the Tim and Wellington Mara Feud and forced George Young upon them and then they started to turn it around. But I could also tell you even after these days they're they're clearly going back to the days and again I have a lot of respect all the respect in the world for the Mara family I do. They've always treated me well. I think they're very classy people but they were flying planes over Giants stadium. They were burning tickets in the parking lot while Wellington was the owner of this team and then it was George Young followed by Ernie Corsi that all of a sudden got the Giants into the conversation of being a class organization. Okay. They weren't sniffing a Super Bowl in the 60s in the 70s and three straight championship games in the early 60s and then that was it from 1963 when they lost in the championship game until they went to the playoffs in 81 not one playoff appearance from 1964 to 1980 not one playoff appearance. And there was this luck involved too because at the 312 and 1 George Young wanted to fire Bill Parcells and bring in Howard Schnellenberger. So he decided not to and the rest as they say is history they got two Super Bowls out of Bill and if the New Orleans Saints take LT with the first overall pick instead of George Rodgers all of a sudden one of the greatest football players of all time is a saint instead of a giant boy he was not a saint or but you know what I'm saying I know is that listen there's a lot of luck involved but again we're not talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers here all right but even before Chuck Noel got there the Steelers were a mess but there is a lot of instability a lot of disorganization even even after the Phil Sims era you know you went through you know the Danny Cannell and the Dave Brown pick that was awful you know Dan Reeves was a great coach but only got the Giants in the playoffs once and then you know 94 95 96 a complete mess until Fossil came in and then they went to the Super Bowl but it wasn't until Tom Coughlin where then it started to click and they get Eli Manning and I give them credit for that because they traded for Eli so there was conviction in early of course see and they're lucky because Eli wouldn't play for San Diego but great ownership really depends on hiring the right people and before George Young they got a lot wrong and they didn't look like they knew what they were doing and then you go from George Young to Ernie of coursey and all of a sudden they are the flagship franchise and they are the the way you build a team and they have not replaced Ernie of coursey Jerry Reese couldn't do it we'll see what happens with Gellman but so far it hasn't been great and now all of a sudden it looks like there's instability so listen i'm a i'm a proud giant fan i think there's a lot this is a lot of good that's come from rooting for the Giants but they're not the New York Yankees okay and they're not the Pittsburgh Steelers and they're not the New England Patriots all right well let's see even even the New England Patriots couldn't figure it out until they got Parcell okay the New England Patriots are a lot like the Giants but but they had like a run of 25 years so I understand that but a lot of that had to go from Parcells to Belichick okay but before before Parcells got there the New England Patriots were the team you'd forget when you had the list of teams in the NFL all right you know we're met they went the one Super Bowl and got absolutely destroyed by the Bears okay there was a lot of garbage but then you get you get Parcells and Belichick and guess what they're in an amazing run and we'll see but that that makes lot Robert Kraft look like a genius when he's got Bill Belichick as his coach I don't know if it's luck but you hire the right people but that's what I'm saying Michael his good ownership is all dependent on who you hire my higher clowns your organization is gonna be a clown show you hire the right people all you are let's be honest Michael there's a lot of good owners as far as doing the right thing but the fact is they're billionaires that happen to make the right hire and a lot of the times it's just pure luck now my biggest concern with the Giants isn't so much Pat Schermer I mean it's a concern but it's Dave Gettemann the right guy because Dave Gettemann to me shows me that he's a great scout because if you look at his drafts they're not bad if you look at his trades and free agent signings they're laughably bad it's true it's laughably bad they're in a bad shape with the trades they may have one other thing although Jabral peppers has had a good year do you realize that I thought about this a lot today and I heard Jordan run on on on the 10 to 1 show and and he kind of amplified it too if you have Odell Beckham jr here all of a sudden the defense has to be concerned with him not with Saquon Barkley there's nobody like Odell that's on this team they've got pretty good receivers nobody's like Odell where they're game-planning to stop him and the secondary choice is Saquon now every defense is trying to stop Saquon so I understand you wanted to fumigate the locker room get good Odell out there get a draft pick get Jabral peppers the whole deal Jabral peppers as good as he is he ain't he ain't Odell Beckham he just not well here's a question for you is Jabral peppers Landon Collins hey might be Don do you think he's I need to see more I really do he's hurt now he might not play the rest of the year so it ends up being an awful season and a waste for him because if you could have was