 And now we wait, also I hope, I hope my fan's not too loud, I desperately need to be cooled. I don't hear it? Well, if only everyone heard what you heard, because Discord is nicer than OBS. When you talk I can definitely hear it in the background. Might be good to try that, um, Nvidia thing, literally just to plug in you download and it just swaps it. What am I, a nude? Also I probably have to get close to the microphone. Looks like you're louder than me for now, but that's fine. Oh, I see, well, that's fine. Uh, yeah, that should do it. I'll, I'll alter it if I needs, if needs be. Hello chat, how'd you do? Um, great, so today we are catching up on the super chats for the cosmonaut variety hour stream where we covered his prequel video, his excellent prequel video. I'm sure we'll read lots of positive chats about how good the video was. That's what I'm expecting. Yeah, it was, it was great. Also got just a couple from, uh, from the last thing we did, uh, but the, the streamlabs ones. So I'm gonna go ahead and tackle them foists. Also as for memes, uh, we're setting up a time to do a meme fap now because we got, we're critical for memes, okay? Got, got so many. We're at critical ass. Can't, can't be delaying that shit. Oh yeah, and also the last, the last most interesting and amazing update. So, um, let's see, I, you could probably, maybe if some of you have a keen ear, might be able to hear a video game in the background. That's, um, that's, that's good old Simpsons hit and run now because we've, we completed Super Mario Sunshine almost twice. Can't be doing that again. That's just wrong. So you go, are you going to show it? Yeah. So there's the game, right? Oh, all right. Check this out. You ready? Boom. Now it looks better. Well, uh, yeah, let's, let's take a, oh, there it is. Look at that. All right. Now, so I've got to catch up. Oh wow. Look at that. You said boom and it, wow. That looks way better, I think. Thanks to Omega Ridley for coming it up with it nice and quick. He's beautiful. Does he have ones for things other than Gamecube? Because he has the one on the top right and it says Gamecube, which is really cool. The funny thing is if I do a full screen game or at least a game that's like modern and not four by three, then I probably will just fill the screen, you know. Yeah. Yeah. But this is really good for, oh, it would be really cool if you had a, like if eFap mini almost had like a stamp on it. If, even if it got shrunk down to like super chats and gaming and then put on the eFap mini logo, like on the left somewhere, that's something we could discuss later. But I think it'd be cool because I love the design that he came up with. Pretty nifty. And it means I'll have to play a lot of Gamecube games to make the most of it. Though, I mean. I think it was so good. It was such a great system. Oh yeah. I don't know anybody who speaks badly about the Gamecube. I love that Gamecube. Oh, what a great, great system. Love it. Yeah. Just loading them up because they were a decent chunk ago. Apologies for that. People who sent in for eFap 85, you finally got your retribution. No questions answered. Just as soon as I'm still scrolling, still almost loaded, though I can just actually, I'm just going to read out one of the ones from there. Well, hold up. Is that a, on the ground, is that a bee? A wasp of some kind? Yes, it's the, do you know anything about Simpsons in Run and All? Never played it. Damn. It's like one of my favorite Gamecube games, good shit. But then again, it's, I've never really known if it's because it's a really good game or if it's just an okay game and it's just the Simpsons references that I really like. Just an oldie. I think it's probably the latter. Like this game probably has a bunch of issues, but I like. I like stuff to do with it. You sure you want to restart? I do. Please continue the game. Don't start on anyone. Oh, of course. All right. So the first one, Rags's is, which is more important? Length or girth? Girth. What about if it's like, really, really, really low length? I mean, barring the, barring the extremes, you know, generally, girth is more important. But honestly, as long as you're, as long as it's reasonable, you know, it'll, it'll get the job done. Like there's so much more that goes into it. Don't fascinate too much over size. It's true. Hey, long man. Here is something that could replace wash together for future refaps. And there's a link. I sent it like this because I don't want to add you in Discord. Fair enough. Thank you very much. And yeah, there are a couple of vague alternatives. I feel like wash together should be reliably around forever. It doesn't seem to be breaking any rules. Because I feel like it wouldn't be around for as long as it has to begin. There's a couple of alternatives that exist. Discord actually allows you to do the thing, funnily enough. I don't think it's as clean looking as the way we do it with wash together. But, you know, if I could theoretically survive with or without it, but I appreciate that. And all we do if, if wash together was to go down tomorrow, we would probably like, Oh God, let's find another one quick. The wash together essentially functions as all it really does is it gives group controls to a YouTube video. For instance, if you watch stuff and watch together, then your YouTube history and recommendations will reflect that. As if you're watching it on your YouTube account. Yeah. It's wonderful. And whoever came up with it. It's just just a loud eFab to exist easily rather than in a difficult way. Because they probably were like, Yeah, because Drunken Peasants do it through Skype, right? Some ancient technology. They don't hear about it much these days. What are you doing? I'm trying to break the beat of some money. So I'm in Springfield right now. And so that means I'm going to go around and get all the money that I can first to be able to easily spend stuff through the campaign. Well, like complete levels, but I'm going to break into Ned Flanders yard and steal his money because I'm a good person. Don't do this at home, kids. Don't break into people's houses and break their crates of buzz, Kohler and steal the money that comes out of it. Okay. Wow, that's a lot. Look at all of it. I don't even, I don't have no sense of scale whatsoever. That just seems like a lot. Flanders should be keeping his money in his house. What can you say? What's that big glowing purple thing? Oh, that's a collectible card thing. You just run past it. You just run past it. It doesn't do anything. It's just like like a literal, you know, collectible. The money actually gets me stuff in the game. That's why I want it. If I was like I was going pro and 100% in the game, I would I would gun to get all of them. Right now my mission is Marge. How romantic. All right, that one says three out of three. There we go. One out of three. Buffy is my favorite show. I'm properly categorized as fantasy. However, I consider Stargate to be Buffy's sci-fi cousin. Equally praiseworthy, but far more underappreciated. Same starting year, ran on a shoestring budget by a team of creatives with passion, humor, and respect for their audience. The characters are consistent, well-acted, but it's a sci-fi adventure show about professional adults and not a teenage drama. So the focus is instead on the story in Will Building, which is also kept across three shows in 17 seasons. A treasure trove for long men with a brain. And episode 200 is on par with Buffy season six, episode seven. That's quite big stuff. Also, high rags. Oh, hello. Yeah, I've never tested it out, the show itself, but that's a pretty good praise you got there. Who's it again? Star... Stargate, yeah. Stargate? But I only ever heard of it. I've never actually seen any of it. I can't even tell you what visually it is. You know, I don't even remember what. If I've seen a poster or anything. But there you go. I'm curious. I know my folks used to watch Farscape. Yeah, I've seen all of Farscape. Is it good? I think it's good. It's definitely one of those ones you completed. You're like, that was worth my time. It's Tizamy and it's silly, but there's lots of things in it that were cool. And so it's cool that the show got made in general. Lots of interesting ideas, very creative. Got any Stargate or Farscape lovers in chat? Also, I just broke into Ralph Wiggum's backyard and stole his money, too. I feel like... Ralph Wiggum? Who's Ralph Wiggum's? Which one's he? He's the retarded kid. Chief Wiggum's kid. Chief Wiggum. Oh, I know what he's got. Good old Ralph. It's the Jim Hanson Star Wars. This is kind of what Farscape is. I was like, yeah, there's a lot of... I remember a lot of the puppetry work and some of the characters were kind of everything. A lot of people found the puppets hard to get over. That's a thing that people have trouble with. I saw it when I was super young, so it doesn't really get to me at all. And I was just like... Yeah, I could be remembering it from that frame of reference. So that's possible, you know? That's what it could be. Could be! Mola, how can you have a Switch and not be interested in the Legend of Zelda? Breath of the Wild? I've seen a lot of Breath of the Wild stuff. And it just doesn't bother me. Also, I watched... I think Metal streamed it. I think that's Metal's Hot Take, by the way. Someone go get that Hot Take out of Metal? It's fine. I thought he thought it was fine. Yeah, that's a Hot Take. Jim Steylin gave it a 7 out of 10 and he got lambasted for it. Well, of all the gameplay that I've seen, just from in the backgrounds of people doing videos and stuff like that, it looks just fine. Well, that's the thing. I think so too, but neither of us have played it, so no one cares about our opinion. But no should they. I'm fine with that. But if Metal has played it and then he concludes it's fine, he's in the doghouse now. It doesn't seem... Second off. It doesn't seem like crazy to think that's all right. It just, yeah, it looks fine to me. I'm just like, eh. Not bothered. Well, we got some people who... A lot of... Apparently a lot of people are like, ah, 8, 7, average. Maybe it was when it first came out. But saying it was fine was no, no. Maybe now it's okay. Because, funnily enough, I'm pretty sure we're both the same on this actually, but my favorite Zelda was linked to the past. I love that. And a fucking... Come over here. I had on Game Boy, played the shit out of it. Yeah, I played it on PC for the first time, so I played a couple of Zeldas all in a row. And I just, I didn't quite get it. I didn't quite get what the hype of Zelda was. I was playing these games and I was like, these are fine. I like them, I guess. Even the original, I actually enjoyed. I was just like, hmm. What's that person, like, dived in front of my car? Yeah, linked to the past. I was like, actually, I really like this one. It was cool. And then there's, what's the sequel to that one that came out on 3DS, I think, or whatever. DS, new DS. Um, there, uh, Link Between Worlds? That's the one, yeah. I started to play that. I started to play it. And then I just never finished it. What I played was fine though. Well, back when I, well, with the link to the past, when I first got it, it was one of my, um, kind of, it was really one of, I played the shit out of it on the Game Boy. And I even had one of those Prima strategy guides that would show you where all the items are, all the pieces of heart, all of the knickknacks and doodads. And it was so cool back then to have this strategy guide. You know, I was a big thing. This was before you could just go to the internet and find all the answers. I had a Prima strategy guide for Link to the Past. That thing, I don't even know if I still have it back at, back at my parents house someplace. That thing was beat the fuck up because of me using it all the time. And I would, I let two different friends borrow it when I let them play Link to the Past for them. So that thing has seen some shit. I had one for a third age and it came with cards. Oh, cards. Yeah, there were like, I don't know. Yeah, they were kind of like top trumps for their own vision and they would have all the stats. And so if you play in the game, you bump into like a Berserker. It would be like, grab the Berserker card and it would tell you what his weaknesses are and stuff. It'd be, I think it was like piercing or blunt or fire, water. It would just be like, these are the things you used to kill. And it was like, ooh, it's like Hulk-a-man. Third age holds up. I mean. I'm leaning towards, no. It's, it's a bit like super simplistic and easily easy to exploit. Yeah. Idrial is just wrong. They needed to really work here entirely. Because even, I remember it was like my first time playing the game. I was confused. The only time I had trouble is when they split the party in two and one party doesn't have Idrial. Yeah, there were, there are clearly some, there are clearly some characters that are just better. Yeah, I would say that, I don't know why anybody would build a party in, in third age without her. Unless it's some kind of like glass cannon party. Some kind of load challenge. Oh yeah, that. Well, even then she would do insane damage. She hit damage was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, insane damage with, she was just so good. Like every, she had no weaknesses basically. She was just insane. Yeah. And I just remember aura of the power, no, aura of the valour and power of the valour. They're just, you get them by the time you're in Moria and you basically just can't lose. Yeah. I know because I've played with my brother. We would do co-op and single player and co-op. The, the, what we did was he control our three primary party members were Idrial, of course, Had-Hodd and Barathor, because they were the three best. Who were the three first? Well, outside of Alagost, but everyone typically would drop Alagost, I think. Yeah, because he's just not good. And he would have two of the three party members in battle, but I would control Barathor. And I got to be the person who moved around because the party leader is the person's character that was represented in the world as you moved around and stuff. And they kind of got a little, a little bonus experience and stuff from wandering around and getting things. So it was like, I would control Barathor, but he would have two out of the three party members in all combat. So that's sort of what we did. And it worked out. I just remember being like, man, such a content-rich game. And I don't know if I would say that the same anymore, because it was like super long and you'd go to those places, but I guess the combat isn't particularly complicated. So it wasn't hard for them to make a lot of things. And I know a lot of people were like, that game took too long to end. And I was like, hmm, probably fair because I played all these when I was like much younger. Are you guys going to even use your switches that James Ball so generously bought for you for anything? For shade, bojely. Uh, if you know anything about me, I don't, I just don't play a lot of games in general. In fact, I would be happily hooking up the switch to play it on SuperShack Catch-Up, to be honest with you. This was just my opinion. Oh, that would be good, yeah. Um, I don't know if I... But I actually planned to have my, because my sisters are in town, and they play on the old Wii at my parents' folks. Parents' folks. On my parents' house, there's an old Wii there with Super Smash Brothers brawl, I think. Yeah. So, I am going to bring it over there so that we can play Super Smash Brothers Ultimate. Is the new one? I can't remember. I think it is. Also, I just casually running over children. This game allows you to do that. That's all right. Children shouldn't be invincible. It's funny because it's like absurdly morbid in a way, but it's fine. They get up and they run away. They just bounce around. You can't do that. I know this game did have a kind of stigma to it when I was younger. Like, it was, oh, the Simpsons hit and run. What? You drive around and you hit people and run them over. I loved it. It felt so free. It was just Simpsons GTA. Like, GTA, but worse and simplified. Also, Simpsons paint. And it's like, yeah, cool. Yeah. If you've never played GTA, then that's pretty... Yeah, I'd say it's a good start if you're getting into GTA. It's like, start with the really kind of shitty one. You'd be all right. Collectibles and stuff. Run around, drive. Because road rage was just crazy taxi. It seems like Simpsons games needed something to steal from. Why do these bees have so many coins inside of them? I don't know. I don't know why there are crates of cola everywhere that have collectibles in them. The future Abigail was interesting as well. I think Hit and Run was better than that. From what I remember about TV show games. You never know. It's like video game movies. No, those are all bad. I was going to say. My feeling alone of just being like, tells you everything. We haven't seen Doom Annihilation yet. Oh yeah. That'll be close to the top for EFAP movies list. It'll be great. Yes, it will. Yay. Oh, but yeah. So my sister actually big into she has a switch. And so if she ever visits, I play with her with mine. I actually got a one on the Tetris game. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. If they've played Tetris on Switch, it's like the intense Tetris game. I played it until I got the first slot and I even sent a picture of it as proof. Because my sister said I'd never do it. That's how much I played the switch. I got a decent amount of characters unlocked on Super Smash Brothers as well. But yeah, I mean, if anything, my Steam account is pretty neglected. My Steam account was a person. I think it would leave me. Be like, you just don't. You're just not the same. You used to play me. We're just different people. And I'm like, oh, OK. A depressing reality, but a reality nonetheless. And yeah, playing games is fun. I just end up having to watch a lot of movies for the videos I make. And then I'm like, oh, remember that other media format? That other one? It's like, yeah, it's cool. You press things on buttons and then people do things on a screen. Hooray. Is there anything better? I also want to get into VR to some degree eventually. I feel like that'd be fun. I'm kind of in the boat of saying, kind of ready. I'm interested. I'm interested. I want to go to virtual worlds. This one sucks. And yeah, with Half-Life, Alex, I'm like, ooh. Now we got someone really trying to make it work instead of just sort of gambles. Yeah, and I've hit a lot of good things. Ah, gaming. How complicated you have become. All right, I've almost searched the whole world for lots of coins. I can finally start doing the missions and buying vehicles and clothing. Best Simpsons hit-and-run player in history. This is also a speed run, by the way, guys. No one's done this faster. Speed. Mola, Rags, what is the best gaming monitor out there? Is 1440p, 144 hertz the sweet spot currently? Would you go 1080p, 2040 hertz as an alternative? And what do you use for gaming competitive for now? Hmm, what do we use for gaming competitive? Well, I use my primary monitor for everything, competitive for casual. I would say, depending on what your computer can do, I would prioritize frame rates over resolution. However, that comes with a caveat, that your resolution and the physical size of your monitor are connected in a way. For instance, if I have a 27-inch monitor and I would recommend against going bigger than 27 inches, or at least I'd seriously advise... Out of context, I like that quote. But I'm never going bigger than 27 inches just because it's so large and my eyes have to look around and everything. But if on this 27-inch monitor, I played a game at 1080p, it would look blurry because it's being stretched, you know? So, if you're going to go with 1440p, I'd say that 27 inches is probably as big as you should go, certainly as big as I'm going. I have a 165-hertz monitor. I would say, though, that maybe one of the most important things you could possibly get is G-Sync. I will never not have a monitor that either doesn't have it or doesn't do what it does. G-Sync is insane with how good it is and how useful it is, and when it's not working, for whatever reason. Like, if I were to turn it off, I couldn't play. It has spoiled me. So, I would highly suggest in that order of having G-Sync, having enough frames, and then... I don't know, I mean, a lot of it's personal taste. I generally, depending on the game, like if it's a shooter game, I'll prioritize frame rate. If it's, like I'm playing Guild Wars 2 now, I don't prioritize FPS on that. A lot of it's purely subjective, dare I say, but that's what I would suggest. I find the resolution upgrades, most of, if not every time, you're like, oof, this is awesome, I don't want to go back. And then, like, for every single iteration. Oh yeah, once you go to a high resolution, going back is just not, you're not going to do it. It's not. Like, you can't play with G-Sync and then play without it. It's just a definite obvious upgrade or downgrade for your eyes to go without. But it's up to you. I've put FPS and G-Sync first, resolution second. As long as you're playing on a screen that suits the resolution, it will be probably just fine. FPS is the beginning, though. Yeah, I can understand people who are like, there's certain limits. They won't go any lower than X FPS or Y resolution. It really is off and down the business. I had friends back in the day who would be, you know, just, just staunchly at the point of, I mean, these people still exist today, but like 30 FPS, no matter what, is just fine. It's like, um... If I play a game at 60, it's choppy to me. I can't play at 60. Yeah, I mean, I'll always prefer increased frame rate every time. If I have absolutely no way of getting it, I'll be like, hmm, I'll still give it a shot. Bloodborne is the go-to example for me. It's just like, holy shit, was, uh, it's choppy on the PS4 when it wants to be. And if that comes to PC, which is, there's rumors, and it gets unlocked, oh boy, well, I'll play me some Bloodborne. Yeah, I'm not even interested in the kind of game, but seeing gameplay of it and seeing it dip into the 20s, you're like, uh... You're fucking, it almost freezes when you play certain parts of it. If you've got enough going on on screen, which is unfortunate. I ain't playing no 30 FPS. I just can't. My eyes, my eyes just can't deal with it. Molo, will you be seeing Tenet? Maybe. I know that's going to be a film everyone was going to probably talk about, so it might be worth it. When's it coming out? I don't actually know. And I don't know if... Is it going to release there? Yeah, because of COVID, COVID, COVID getting in the way. COVID, Tenet COVID. There's going to be so many COVID movies making two years from now. One more. The Silent Killer, starring Morgan Freeman. The Silent Killer, starring Morgan Freeman. I can smell you. So yeah, I mean, I'll probably be interested in seeing it, yeah, but I'm not like... If it's too difficult to get seen or something, if it's for any reason some, some tisms are going on, I'm not going to be like, oh my god, I need to find a way. I saw him, I think it was YMS tweeting about it, but like, can you imagine if this COVID stuff had happened around Endgame? Like, if Endgame was coming out today, it'd be like, holy shit. Well, Endgame's basically a year old? Yeah. So, time flies when you're not getting sick from a pandemic. True. It's just spitting hard facts over here. Wow, I just like totally fucking blitzed that guy in a race. I didn't even see him. That's how good I am. Damn, son. If so, would you do an EFAP on Interstellar and Tenet with a Nolan fan if you know one? Supposedly Tenet contains time travel or alternate dimension tisms elements. Might be interesting to compare the two. You think they could do it better than Endgame did it? Oh, I think, I would hope that's a guarantee. Endgame kind of bungled it big time. And also, how do we deal with that at the MSU going forward that they have time travel? Like, how do we just, we just, I don't know. We just got to bust this out now? Is that what's happening? Like, only when everything is really bad. It's like, anything's really bad. Okay, okay. Like, many things have to go really wrong before we bust out the time travel. I'm just picturing scenes where they're all chilling and it's like a noise and then Captain America, but even older. Oh no, well, not him. I get any of the people who are left really old is like, you gotta know something's coming. Like what? It's like Galactus, it's Dr. Doom, it's blah blah blah. They're on their way. You gotta prepare. It's like, oh, this isn't gonna be fun. But then again, I don't know. Like I said, either I wouldn't have had time travel at all or I would have done the thing, whatever they had them allow them to do it, destroy that thing by the end. I use the stones to destroy the stones. I use the time travel. I use the time travel machine to destroy the time travel machine. And then do the thing where they're like, nobody should have this kind of power. Like they did in the dark night, remember? Where he's like, you got super-opetisms and then it's gonna destroy itself once you're done. His hypersurveillance is a bad. When Morgan Freeman says, this is wrong. That's when you know it's wrong. Go talk to Flanders. Jonathan, by the time you hear Mola read this, the cake is way past done baking in the oven. If the fire department doesn't need to go over there and put a fire out, then I'm assuming the party went off just fine. Happy birthday, my no-homo man friend. Happy birthday, Jonathan. All right, Streamlabs is caught up with. So now it's over to the Cosmonaut Yfap. Cosmonautism session. Oh boy, reliving some wonderful memories. I christened this the first super chat of the stream. Any plans to have Vito on soon? Wasn't planning on it? Not got any video lined up that matches, but definitely happy to have him. Maybe it'll be a hundred that he pops on. That'll be another cavalcade of guests, I imagine. We're still working on a way to decide how we boot guests, you know? It's gonna be... Oh wait, I was supposed to grab a tuxedo, apparently. Whoops. That's weird. It's like, oh yeah, Vito can come on. We just have to figure out how we're gonna boot guests. I mean, he could be the one that gets booted. No, no, it depends on how people arrive. You must behave yourself. Who knows? I'm sure he'll be there for episode 100, at least. If anyone doesn't show up for episode 100, they're not a true friend to EFAP. They are simply a poser. That's like not calling to someone's birthday. Yeah, that's like being brown table. You can't have that sucked up. I hope people turn up to his birthday party these days. I'll say that. I'll say I hope he's gone on an arc that allows people to show up for those things. I mean, you know, if he's bringing people like Captain Marvel to his birthday party, no one's gonna want to turn up. It makes sense. Don't blame him entirely. I wish, invite Mothra to your birthday party. She is. Not Captain Marvel. He is way better. Let's be honest. Mothra, superior character. Better morals. Being a giant monster. Being less evil than Captain Marvel. We all agree on this. Oh. I feel like I'm destroying a lot of things in this town. I hope I get away with it. Yeah. Oh, that's just Homer out for daily drive. I'm a true American. I can drive through and across loads of people and get away with it. Sweet. Because that's what freedom is. Freedom to murder. So does, uh, does Simpsons hit and run or Grand Theft Auto 5 have the better end game? Uh, obviously Simpsons hit and run. How could it ever not be that? You two or five mostly stole everything from this game. Oh, I was asking seriously, but, like, I, like legitimately one of my biggest complaints about Grand Theft Auto 5 single player is that the end game is really lacking. Um, I mean, it feels really empty and... I would have to assume it's better than this. Simpsons hit and runs end game is just you can go around the worlds as they are and go and do races or... It was very simplistic. So that's kind of what GTA 5 is. So it's not actually that different. At least Simpsons is a complete game. Oh my. Oh my goodness gracious. Are we really saying that this thing's and hit and run that beat GTA 5? Is that the world we're in? There might be. Did, did Simpsons hit and run failed? We can, we covered his GTA 5 one, right? I'm afraid we're terrible franchise. Oh my god, that was a good old days. That was tunneled as we knew him. I'm assuming he'll still make a few of them here and there. I just want more cooking videos though. I think everyone wants more cooking videos. If the dawn gives you 1.2 billion bottles of rhino milk, do you deserve to be the most inconsistent orphan on Halloween? I mean, that's a great, deep question. Obviously, if, if, if who gave the rhino milk? If the dawn. Oh no. If the dawn found you worthy, if the dawn found you world worthy enough, then surely there must be something to you. Yeah. I'm not going to say he's wrong. I dare not say he's wrong. I mean, I'm saying if the dawn does it, it's not illegal. That's what I'm saying. I feel like the Constitution was kind of built around the dawn, like whatever he did mostly, that's what they kind of wrote after. Makes sense to me. I don't see, I don't see a single argument against it that would be valid whatsoever. So, you know, I've thought about it for a really long time. It's my whole, it's my specialty. I took the dawn in university. The dawn 101. History of the dawn. Oh, I got a beat up Smithers. A beat up Smithers? It's absurd and fun. So Smithers is driving to the nuclear plant. I'm just going to fuck it up. Also, he's running over people as well. So, you know, ethically, I'm fine. I'm no worse than Smithers. Yeah, he should be really clear. Anyone who says Christmas is better has never been to a college campus on Halloween. I have. Let's see, I think most people are. I mean, Christmas versus Halloween on campus probably isn't even comparable because most people wouldn't be on campus on Christmas. They'd be at home. So, you know, there's the thing, the pros and cons of both of them. That's that's why the question is so difficult to answer. So many people. It's just so much to consider. Bolts on the deer hunter. I feel about it the way you guys feel about taxi driver. Also, hello, rag. Hello. I haven't seen it since I was super young. I don't remember a lot of it now. I haven't seen it at all. It all didn't yet. I'm kind of willing to foes in that movie as well. Definitely in the back of my brain for memory. Doesn't sound fair enough. Horizon Zero Dawn coming to PC. Hi rags. Hello. Yes, it is. Indeed. Yeah, he calls me a variety hour. My fondest memory of him is when he fell for my. He's a homophobe bait and sent his fan base after me. Love his lack of self-awareness. Oh, you were the person he did that to? Because that's one of his many examples of how he'll do what he condemns me for doing. And like, it was really awkward because he would try and justify it as being like, hey, they're coming after my, my loved ones or something like that, I think. And he was like, that's when it's okay. I was like, so when they call my friends racist and sexist, that doesn't count. And he was like, really? I'm not prepared to have this discussion. He's like, I know, I know, I know. Always ends with someone snarky in the fucking tweets being like, you guys should just have a fucking conversation already as if I'm like against that. And I'm always like, yeah, I'm more than happy to have a conversation if you want to. And then it should be like the narrative of like, oh my God, more obsessed with getting people to debate him. What a terrible person. You're a debate, bro. I mean, do I look like a debate, bro? I got a snow plow inside of a nuclear plant. Come on. Yeah, to cool it down. It makes sense, I think. Have you seen Ben Shapiro's Star Wars rankings also high? Hello, I have heard of them. I have not seen them. I've heard they're bad. I mean, he ranks, he thinks that the Rise of Skywalker is good, right? That's the roof. As far as I know, yeah. I'd be curious to see how high he ranks it exactly. But yeah, no, I have no idea how he ranks them overall. Don't worry, it worries me so. I see the murder hornet and raise you one Arizona Tarantula wasp. Oh my God. That sounds terrible. Tarantula wasp. Um, that sounds terrifying when they just combine animal names. Because it's just like, uh-oh. You just think of the worst of both of them in terms of weaponization. Like, sodomy hornets. Yeah. Or death weasels. You're like, wait. Death weasels. What do they do? Watch out for the death weasels, bud! You're like, toxic snails. You're like, okay. So they're probably pretty avoidable, though, right? And you're like, no, they're really fast. Oh, no. Oh, no, not those weasels. Oh, no, no, not the fast ones. They're coming for you. Try to hear them. Um, thoughts on the lighthouse if you've seen it? Oh, I can't remember which eFap it was. We did talk about it near the intro. I think it was when we were talking about seeing a lot of the Oscar-nominated movies out of curiosity. Yeah, lighthouse is easily the most experimental out of the lot. Like, with probably marriage story being the most grounded and normal out of the... The lot of them. It's just like two people in rooms, but... Yeah. Even though lighthouse is technically two people in rooms. Yeah, but I really like... First off, I really liked it. I was very interested all the way through. The acting is phenomenally good. Yeah. How Defoe didn't get a nomination for that is insane. Yeah, let alone fucking... If I'm being completely honest... Or best actor period. Yeah, like if someone was like, was he better or was Joaquin Phoenix better. I'd be like, pretty hard to call it. But like, I don't know, man. Will and Defoe was pretty fucking impressive. Oh, he was really good. I mean, they both were, but Defoe was so in standout in how good he was. Had a good selection. But it had... Yeah, I would highly recommend... Would definitely recommend it. The... A lot of people may think that it's like, why'd you got to be pretend... I had a... There's a friend I used to know who would absolutely consider the fact that they're in Black and White and 4x3 is pretentious. And I think it had a lot of purpose. The... When watching it, the film convinced me that it was good, that it was in those formats, I guess you can call them. Yeah, I'll agree. There's a lot of... A lot of shots that benefited from having those as... Yes, absolutely. There's plenty to come to mind, but you can tell the director is very aware that he's filming a square, is kind of what I'm getting at. Yes, the shots are... They definitely are aware of that. Spaces are very efficiently used. And with the 4x3, a lot of the scenes are very kind of claustrophobic. They're kind of... I don't want to say oppressive. That makes me sound like a faggot. But the way that it was shot, it's like the frame itself is kind of... It's enclosed the world in a way. You can feel a little trapped. It's hard to describe. Kind of. Which works with the movie a whole lot. Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's like hell for a Robert Pants' character, or at least Peogatory. There's a lot to interpret in the film, which I find very fun to do. I do too. I like a lot of it, and I think it pulled it off fairly well. The scene is like his Tizms getting torn out. Like I think, like liver or intestines or whatever. I was like, oh, this is okay. I'm following now. We got some Prometheus and Proteus Tizms going on. Yeah, going seeing it, I highly recommend it. It's way better than Godzilla. King of the Monsters. Yeah, I think some people could be lost watching it, but just absorb it, be a sponge. That's what I would recommend. Definitely one of the best of 2019. Absolutely. With 2019, it pretty much came down to what appeals to you the most, I'd say, because his marriage story better than it. It's like, I don't know, it's Ford V Ferrari better than both of them or not. It's like, okay, I don't know. I liked it more, but I don't know. It's pretty hard to call, but those three are quite, I guess you could throw Joker in there to be like the quadrilogy of just a different selection of different kinds of movies being awesome in their own ways for that year. Hopefully we get some cool shit right at the end of this year as well. Oh, of course I shouldn't. I'll feel bad if I don't mention 1917 as well. Oh yeah, 1917 is fantastic. Everyone should see just all of them. Go watch all of them. Yeah, there's been plenty of crappy movies. Oh yeah, I'm Parasite. I like Parasite a lot as well. I think Parasite was good. Oh, I gotta keep it with that. Okay. Mola, make Mola and Rags take the Movie Bob challenge. Oh no. No, I'm already conceding defeat. I can't stuff that much meat inside of me at one time. Yeah, honestly, there's a very, very, very slim chance I'd be able to do that. I just don't see it be impossible. I can't eat five and a half thousand calories at once. It's a lot. I understand Fringy and Anna, but why is this Jay guy on? Also, hello and cheers, except for Jay. Hello. Funnily enough, didn't, was it? Yeah, Jay had to leave before we like really started Cosmonaut's main video and Fringy left about 10 minutes into it. We were like, damn it, we took too long. Though I think that stream worked out. That was, that was grueling. We went through the entire thing. That was rough. That was a bad video. That was a really bad video. We had to stop it, like every sentence, because it was just... The amount of times he just didn't. Can't explain. He was like, okay. I could explain the obvious, you know, these, the incredible important plot breaking elements, but I won't. Like a troll. The, it's the, you can't, you can't help but feel like that's gotta be the biggest criticism to deliver. It's like, isn't that the whole point? But all right. Like this, you're watching a story and they're like, I could explain how all these events come together, but I won't. Welcome to art class. I could draw a picture, but instead. Oh, but I scream at you. And you're like, all right. It's, it's cold, high art because we don't understand it, okay. Because, because we have to get high to understand it. That's the only way it could be understood. You have to transcend your mortal coil. Someone sent in a good old unicorn. A lot of people sent it in the, in the unicorn. I don't know. We've had like four of them before any others. People like unicorns. I don't know what to say. They associate EFAP with unicorns. Or do you think they're getting it from some kind of store? Oh no. Kind of. Anything but the unicorn stone. I wonder if she regrets making that. Doing that? I would. I don't, I mean, I don't regret making fun of it. I wouldn't regret making it if I made it. I don't regret laughing at it. Now this is where the fun begins. Since I'm not going to get another chance to ask, thoughts on the last of us, two leaks and the fallout from it. Also, high racks. Hello. I'm, I'm pretty sure we've talked about the leaks themselves, but Mahler doesn't want spoilers. So that's, that's part of the reason why. Don't feel bad if anyone wants to spoil anything, because that's, you know, it happens. I know I'm asking a lot by trying to avoid them, and I'm still surfing the web as one does, and I've still seen different pictures and different statements here and there and a couple of jokes that are very addictive of what to expect. But I'm still mostly pure on this whole thing. I don't really know what happens. I know something involves golfing, but yeah, I'm mostly pure. I plan on getting TFA part three finished and in a celebratory stream kind of way doing the last of us again, just streaming that one. And then it should line up, hopefully, with the last of us two coming out soon after, unless I'm delayed for whatever reason. But either way, I'll eventually do that. We can finally see what it's all about. And then we'll probably have an EFAB about it. About just how battle good is it? Of people overblown its badness? Let's find out. And yeah, I feel like once that game comes out, there's going to be a bit of a firestorm of coverage, to be honest with you. I agree. And then we'll be like, wow, 2020 is just blunder after blunder after blunder. We need some good things to happen. Bring out students to sit and run, too. That'll heal the community wounds, the societal wounds. I feel like people all over the world could really use Simpsons and run, too. But yeah, as for the fallout of it, it's been pretty interesting to look at. That's another example of, I guess, a studio stepping over the line where they must feel either righteous or embarrassed significantly. And then it only... You'd think that people on their PR teams would be like, oh yeah, don't do this because it's going to make everybody fully aware of the thing. Like, don't block people's videos arbitrarily because these are all people and they're going to get very upset and they're going to make a lot of noise. And indeed they did and Sony had to back out from all those claims. And like, it's like clockwork. This has happened many times. Do you think it's just the fact that every time it does work, we don't hear about it? And that's why they still do it. I don't... In, like, what... Like saying something against a company that they really don't want you to say? Every time it gets blocked and is successful, we don't hear about it. So we assume that it never works while technically maybe it does work. I don't know. I feel like especially nowadays, there's too many people out there willing to talk about it. Yeah, and it doesn't take much, does it? Like a Reddit thread being like, you know, Nintendo silencing this, you guys really need to see this. And it's like something really damning. I feel like it would just spread almost instantly if it's like true. Yeah, I think so too. They can't get away with it. There's bastards. They can't keep getting away with this. They fly now. Imagine that came out during Covid-isms. They coof now. Wait, do you mean to say they cough? No, they coof. What is a coof? You know, coof. I don't follow. Oh, are you serious? I'm an old man. Are you doing... Are you... Are you doing a bit? No, coof. Like coofing. And like coughing, coofing. Wait, but why... What's the meme? I don't... Oh my god. I guess I don't know. Look what just happened. Fucking hell, Smithers. He's got some road rage. Oh my goodness. For you. Oh, you stood up quick for a fat guy. I mean, Homer's agile. So, and a dude has the corona and coughs. You know, coofing? That sounds disgusting and yet sexual. Coofing. This orc boss is giving your massive some money. Thank you, orc boss. Hi, all my endwits. Did you know how wolf is coping with the whole corona stuff? As far as I know, he's okay. Definitely not got it. Um, that would be... That would be sadtisms. I don't know. I only know a couple of people now who've had it. I know three people now who've had it unrecovered. How many people do you know who had it and died horribly? Zero as of now. But, um, that's the waylish healthcare system, maybe. Even though, well, yeah, the three people I know didn't actually go to hospital. They just stayed at home and they were like, But, um, but they did get tested and they did have it. Unafortunado. I like Cosmo. I just wish he'd be more consistent with his criticism for shows and movies. Like when it comes to Star Wars, all of that is thrown out. Fucking, I wouldn't know. I've seen now, like, 12 videos of his or something. I have no idea what to expect whenever I see him review anything. Like, I would never be able to call if it's something he would have liked or not. Which is both a pro and a con for when you're watching a review, I suppose. Um, but, uh, yeah, he seems to be mainly based on did you have fun, which is just the most useless foundation ever. Of course, that's pretty much where we all start. The point of a review is to try and get something a little bit more useful as a baseline. Did you get entertained? This is how a lot of people try and say that prequels are worse than sequels. Prequels are boring. Sequels at least are fun. Like, uh-huh. I think Revenge of the Sith, especially the children, murder scene is much more fun than anything in the sequels. Much like the younglings, that scene will never get old. Fucking nailed it. Hello, Mr. Boons. I talk- by the way, the prequels come up to a fairly extensive degree in my intro for my Mandalorian reviews. Why are you ripping on them, huh? What's your problem, bro? Well, am I ripping on them? If each of you could create a superhero as ridiculously caricatured as Safe Space and Snowflake, who would they be? Example, a white male. I would probably be... If I was like a Poe character... I don't know, I like... You just said shitmaster? I like the idea that he's just such a blatant name. He's just like, I'm shitmaster. You're like, what do you do? He's like, I can command shit to do whatever I want. Yeah, he shits to a superhuman degree. It's like a port... His asshole is like a portal. Whenever he poops, it's just... It just keeps... Keeps on going. I'm just picturing like... So Rags has finally come around to liking the prequels. I've always said that I like them. I've never not said, where do you... Okay, we gotta nip this in the bud. I've always said that I like the prequels. I like them. They're just terrible movies. But I like them. And that's always been my position. Yeah, since the beginning of EFAP. I've always thought it was my hot... One of my hot takes was that I was always like, Yeah, I like the prequels. I do. I do like them. They're like, so you say? So you say? No, I do. Can we really trust you? They're just bad, but I like them. There's a lot to like about them. You say they're awful every stream. That's just false. Isn't the whole premise of this show that you could like stuff that's bad? Yeah, and also it's not false. I have all of these fucking notes about that we took when we watched the prequels before the prequel debate. And there are some really big issues, like Titanic issues. I don't know. Can we still call them Titanic when the sequels exist? Can we still call them Titanic when they are the big poo? They're up against... They're up against the big poo. That's what I'm saying. I don't know, you know. It's pretty difficult to remain poopy when you're against another big poopy that's much slimmer and stickier, you know? Oh, that woman got wrecked. I don't even feel that bad. Oh, man, she got ruined. Wow. You might even... Right in front of... Is that City Hall or a big courthouse? Springfield County Courthouse. Oh, well, if you're gonna ram someone into the door, that might as well be the place. Yeah. Where are we? I wish Halloween was the whole month of October, as do I, and that's why I treat it that way. It makes October more fun. All right, well, October first rolls around. You gotta have a costume. Well, I usually do change my avatar for the whole month, like Christmas too. We don't do Thanksgiving icons or 4th of July icons, do we? That's because every day is freedom day in America. That is the true, true right there. We could, though. We can do a little something. Like our characters holding little fireworks? Little sparklers. Oh, yeah. Maybe the eFap logo on the top right has like a flag overlay on it or something like that. You've seen Team America now, right? I haven't. I thought I watched it with you. Did that not happen? That didn't happen. It must have been an extremely vivid dream because you no doubt dream without me often. I should have told you before the stream started to just have people think you've seen it because that's one of those ones that... It's one of those ones people will not understand that you haven't seen, especially being a red-blooded American. The thing is I've seen a lot of clips and like songs and a lot of stuff, but I've never like sat down and watched it start to finish. It's a funny one, and uh... Yeah. Yeah, we'll check that out at some point, maybe. Cover Seamus Gorman's MCU tier list. He says Black Panther is too smart for him. Oh, well, that says more about him than it does about Black Panther. What does he mean? This is a pretty simplistic movie, isn't it? Well, if he wasn't white, then maybe he'd understand this movie. That fool. Well... If only you move. Somehow I don't expect his ranking system to be satisfying. I feel like it's going to be one of those ones where you're like, oh, that seems arbitrary, and that one, and that one, and that one. But hey, as long as he enjoyed the movies, that's what's important, and you guys need to remember that. Enjoyment comes first. Night before Christmas is best X-mas movie. I mean, I think that's a fair choice. I know a lot of people will put it up against Die Hard, and I just think it's very hard to decide which one of those is the superior film, you know? You've got very differentisms. Maybe it's a German film. More of the best. It's pronounced Die Hard. And people like Die Hard. Dick Hard. That sounds offensive. Since it's related, can you please say every Jar Jar film line in your best Mooper impression? Also it... Every Jar Jar line. No. You have to scream out Wisa going home. Oh, God, yeah. What does he say? Dello felegates. Dello felegates! I must have felt so awkward delivering that in the recording booth. Like, well, yeah. I'm the retarded character, I guess. Yep. I'm a fucking rich shit. That's me. Also is it better writing to spell everything out or not? Ooh. The difficulty of knowing when to have your audience in fare. It is tough. This is one of them seem-by-seen context-by-context ones, I imagine. Until you figure out like a system. The relay accounts for it. It's going to be tied to probably like things that are super important, need definitive information, probably. Or at least enough information to grasp the continuity. That would be my tacit take. My tepid take. But yeah, that's a complicated one. Because some things maybe spelt out and people don't really see it that way. Or some things are not spelt out at all and some people see it that way. You know, you just gotta don't know what info is there and what's not. And that's part of what often gets debated pretty hard. That's what the fucking- The prequel debate was pretty much taken up by was how clear is the motivation for the greedy trade federation, I wonder. The greedy trade federation. It was greedy past this. What could they want to this trade federation that is greedy? What is it that they could be after? What could their motivation be? They wanted to get in bed with palpitism and they were doing all of this to try and win his favor. They are the ones who made sheath creamy. They were farming his cream. They cream now. For a movie to be a holiday movie, the climax of that movie must take place on the holiday. Just taking place in winter or being scary does not qualify. Oh, is that the rules now? I don't- yeah, I don't think- I don't think anyone's written the actual rule for what makes a Christmas or Halloween movie. So, but what if it ends the day after Christmas and everyone likes that crazy party? What if the entire movie takes place all on Halloween except the end credit scene? Which is the day after. It's like, ah, you fool. Yeah, don't know about that one, chief. How do you know this person's a chief? How could you know this? You're aware of knowledge that most are not. Impressive. EFAB movies come power when? It's a possibility, I don't quite know. We shall see, I suppose. We've got a bazillion options for EFAB movies. There's still a few EFAB movies to be released as well as all the Battleman episodes. Possibly some gaming if we can fit it in, especially now that we've got this brand new addition to Superjack Hatch Up. It's a wonderful dolphin simulator that you guys don't even know of actually playing. There could be some Delo feligates involved. It could be a recording, you don't know. EFAB 100 should be a live show at Comic-Con. Why, no. The subs are terrible. Let's go to Comic-Con. Just go up on stage, start streaming. Hey, everybody. Things are turning out for EFAB 100. Most people are just like, wait. I'm glad you all could report us through this. Who are you? Do you not know EFAB? We are currently, as you know, we take superchance at the end. The equivalent of that is they throw us money bundled with like a little note that has a message on it. Unwrap them, like, all right, here we go. And then I have to pull up like a projection of a GameCube game. It's possible we could do this. Hello, I'm writing a script for film and wondering what is best way to maintain consistency in a story? Hmm. This is a couple of them. The best way to maintain consistency is to not break any of your own rules. I feel like this. To not go against any... Yeah, if you're curious on the how of that, it's like... Keep a list, write it down. Memory or, essentially, artificial memory is going to be the best thing you can do, which is where you write everything down. You get little... This is like writing apps that let you try and keep track of all of your wheel building rulesets. And yeah, every time you put the rule down on the page, like, hey, Captain Wazinger can't do that because magic doesn't work that way, says character X. And you're like, right, so that's a rule now. Have tabs for characters, factions, countries, geography, stuff like that. Anything that's worthwhile. Review, review, review. Don't go with your first draft. This is the kind of stuff that you want to catch. This is the stuff that really values from going over and double-checking and all that stuff. Very important. Yes. Did you know that if the police are chasing you, if you go into a car wash, they will lose you? This is like in real life. Yeah, do it all the time. So yeah, just a little note for you little robbers out there. Make sure there's a car wash nearby and you shall be fine. Oh, you little robbers out there. You learned something new today. Yeah. Happy little car wash. Uh, Moly, do you think you'd ever do a YouTube audiobook like Mr. H. did? You velvety-voiced long man. Who's Mr. H? Mr. Mr. H. Reviews? Um, maybe. Did he do an audiobook on YouTube? I don't know. Um, but yeah, no, I'm not against it. The idea could perhaps do so one day in my adventures. Don't know what book it would be. Probably something in the public domain, I guess. Or not. Maybe something written by someone I know. Like Fring Daddy G. I know. Triggled. Regangal. Bum bum. Bum bum. Surprising. We know a whole bunch of writers at this point. Shadiversity. Critical drinker. Look at them all. Criticizing things and writing things. Who do they think they are? Like, how can you criticize Batwoman? I know, I certainly don't. Batwoman is perfect in all ways. I'm not a homophobe. It's important. That's what it is. And it teaches us that it's more important to have criminals that are diverse than not having criminals. Heroes that exist, basically. They're so... Like, they're like one scene away from having that moment where she's like, Oh my God, a gay villain. That's so progressive. Well, I mean, she let the gay villain That's what I mean. Pretty much go pretty. She was so close to actually saying it, you know. She basically did the same thing. So it doesn't really matter. Mr. Holder reviews, I don't know. I still guess not the one you're talking about. Check out the raid redemption and the raid 2, you massives. The story is solid, not great, but they have some of the best fight scenes I've ever seen. That's what I hear. Yeah, that's... I saw, like, how they filmed a scene. I think it was in raid 2. They go some extra mile when they're doing their filming. It's really awesome. They care now? They care now. I think since since they're in the past, we can say they cared now. They cared then. Swear to God, these fucking wasps, dude. Are you all not to drive? This is not a car. This is a this is like a fun little little go-kart thing. Okay, so it's totally legal. Questioning otherwise would be mean. Besides, Bob's pretty responsible. No less so than Homer Simpson. You know, when he can drive. Molly, you got an inebriated 3PO name wrong last time. Needed to correct that. Also, high rags. Hello. I think his name is drunk 3PO and I keep saying it wrong. But that's okay because, you know, life is full of happy little little mistakes, okay? You ought not have an issue with mistakes being a product of a million of them. Or trillions of them. Fringy, what are your thoughts on Gotham High? I don't even know that he knows much about it. Oh, he will. Yeah, once. All of you will. Once J. Longbone comes out with a video, which apparently is relatively soon. We're all going to know about it. I'm so excited. Fuck Marykill, Yongye, layman and quartering. I barely know those three. Yeah, I don't know enough about the three of them. Sorry. Hey Rex, please show me your genitals. Thanks. Oh, that would be against the YouTube terms of service. If we go against those, you can no longer even answer these questions. So I can't have that. That's, that just breaks everything. The Fringies have returned their native EFAP because of the quarantine. We truly are the virus. God bless. Pouchy frogs. Yeah. The, the Froggolds have found a tick over the world. Nature is healing, as they say. Nature is healing. There is no denying it. Hello, rags. Hello. Poop with the door open. What fairy would you bone? Oh, wait. There's two questions. So. So poop with the door open is a command. I don't know how you feel about that. I, I'm not going to obey that command. And secondly, what fairy would you bone if you could? Hmm. That is a good question. Star Wolf's up there. Not going to lie. There's all the easy answers are the classics like Crystal and Maid Marion. Um, I'd have to think about it more because it's, there's so many options and I just can't really pick them out right now. I'll just have to get back to you on that. I'll have to look up a little bit. Oh, here, let me see. Wait, when you, did you mean Star Fox when you said Star Wolf? Nope. Okay. I, I'm in it. Star Wolf, yeah. He's, yeah. Rough tumble, sort of, you know, tough guy character. He'd be quite a, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't have to explain this to you. You know, we, we've all been there. Um, oh, uh, Brooklyn from Gargoyles? Don't know why. Just really want to fuck Brooklyn from Gargoyles. No, it's just something about him. I don't know. Don't, don't, don't think I can explain quite why. That's just sort of, sort of how I'm feeling at this point in time. Um, yeah, hopefully that was somewhat, uh, comprehensive. Yeah, it certainly wasn't comprehensive. I'm sure the list is extensive. Oh, Isabel from Animal Crossing. Fucking, fuck the shit out of her. So there you go. It ends with, uh, make videos, damn it. Don't worry, a big one's coming. A big one's coming. Don't you worry. She's a big one. She don't worry. Um, this just says concentrated gay. Oh my god. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to make of that. Supposedly the Ark landed on Mount Ararat. Someone said that's a child. That's not a child. She has like a job. She works as a, like a clerk, uh, in an office. She's not a, what, no, she is not. I mean, I wouldn't know. I've not played Animal Crossing. It's Isabel from Animal Crossing. She's like the, like the secretary. Most secretaries are not children. I will agree with that. Yeah, um, do Pokemon count? I'd fuck on, uh, I want an Arkanine to fuck me. Absolutely. Let's fucking go for it. Let's do it. Fringy, wait, yeah. So supposedly the Ark landed on Mount Ararat. So we were talking about the Ark at one point, I think Noah, and how unfair it was for all the animals that had to, you know, walk so far away from their native to their native habitats. Like kangaroos and stuff? Yeah. Had to cross oceans and things like that. So where he landed, like all the things that lived in that area were probably pretty happy, sure, but I don't know. It's kind of fucked up. Oh, uh, the char from Guild Wars 2. Obviously, I'm staring right at one now, and I always say fuck the char from Guild Wars 2. Both will be perfectly serviceable. Love me some char. That, and since we, um, obligatorily, if that's even a word, you have to throw in the Taran from World of Warcraft and the Pandaren while we're at it. And the, uh, the Stripper Tigers from Zootopia. It was Stripper Tigers. Yeah, they're like weird. Yeah, they weren't like actually stripping, but they were clearly like exotic dancing. I haven't seen the movie. I've seen clips and artwork, but you know, there's, yeah, they're part of it. Oh, and the Worgen from World of Warcraft 2. They're pretty good. They're pretty good. You know, as far as they go. It's crazy. Let's go. Ringy is lying. Kangaroos don't exist. They're just propaganda against the Emus and Jay coming over. Do you think any of this stuff that they say goes on in Australia is actually there, or they're just trying to keep everyone else out? Like, like Iceland? It's not actually full of ice. They just wanted to keep people from going away, so they called it Iceland. Yeah, like, because most people are gonna be like, no, I'm not going to Australia. There are too many spooky bugs, and then the Australians are like, there's actually no insects here whatsoever. Got him fooled. Huntsman spiders? No, they're not even there. There's so many spooky names for spiders. How many species of spider are there in this world? And was God just really bored? He was like, I want to make loads of these. The sodomy hornets. But then in Australia. Yeah, every time he was making anything anywhere, as soon as it crosses a threshold, you know, like how... Australia category? I'm trying to think, you know, like you're spending your attribute points in Dark Souls or whatever else. Like, as soon as he spends too many in one category and it overflows, he's like, all right, all right, I'll just put it in Australia because the points are unlimited in Australia. And they're already dealing with all the other crazy shit that I've given to him, so they'll be tough. They can handle it. It would be irresponsible of me to put them anywhere else except for Australia. It only makes sense. Kick J, fair enough. Hello, Fringy, my favorite. Oh, and hi, Rags. Hello. Bitch. Rags, what happened to exclusively games? As far as I know, it's just paused for the moment. Much like real games can be. Aha. But not all real games. Dark Souls don't let you pause. This is gay. Today, I've finally finished every eFap. I've been working on it for the past two months. Congratulations. What the hefty heft? So do the to the Sangheeli from Halo, do they count? I don't know. Are they in the are they in the umbrella of furry? Because I don't know. Like, I feel like they are in spirit, but not really, you know. We'll have to do a community vote on it, I guess. Oh, of course. Cass from Led's breath from Breath of the Wild. Cass, of course. I can't believe he wasn't the first one to come to mind. Of course. Maybe God should have built a fence around the tree with the apple. I mean, he's God. He can build a fence. That's true. You didn't think about a fence. Yeah. A lot of a lot of weird questions one does ask when they start examining this story. He's rewrited. There's a fence. And then the guy's like, he could have just gotten a ladder. I wouldn't have solved it. Like, okay. He could have just not had the tree. Could have. It's all a metaphor anyway. Fools. It's about how women are bad. Um, they tempt you with apples. Master Tigris from Kung Fu Panda. Definitely on that list, too. That was Angelina Jolie, right? I believe. She voiced the Tigris. I think so. Let me double check. Angelina Jolie. But she was voiced by Keri Walgren in Kung Fu Panda Legends of Awesomeness. Okay. So I didn't even know what, I don't even know what that is. What's going to say is that? Is that a show? No. That's an, it's a, it's three seasons. It came out in 2011. There were three seasons of it. Oh, it's like a TV show. Yeah. IMDb puts it at a seven out of 10. So. Is Jack Black in that? Uh, I can find out. Uh, let's go to the IMDb page. Um, Poe was voiced by Mick Wingert. All right. Lucy Liu voiced Viper though. Yeah. And Jackie Chan was, um, like the baboon or whatever I think. Jackie Chan probably in the, I think in the main movies. Yes. Oh yeah. Not wait. Lucy Liu did the TV show. Yeah. You think like none of the. It's Lucy Liu, L-I-U. Yeah. Lucy Liu. Yeah. She did, yeah, in the show, she was Viper's voice. I could, I can search for Jackie Chan. I just look up Chan. Uh. Oh, he was monkey, not a baboon. Okay. Was he a baboon or was it always a monkey? I think it's because, uh, I was watching YMS's video on, uh, Kimba. And it's the, the baboon comparisons. Baboons in my head. It's important to get them baboon comparisons done. Okay. Someone said, what about the dragons from the Spyro remake? Absolutely. In a fucking heartbeat. They made them super hot on purpose for people just like me. God bless them. God bless America. What about the chick cat from Cats Don't Dance? I never saw that. 1997. I never saw that. Never saw that. Um. All hail Glib. Sitch 2. Kick J. High rags. Hello. This is a very positive super chat considering this is after the debate. Voice of Darth Maul in the Clone Wars hates TLJ. If they're talking about, um, Sam Witwer, doesn't say he hates it. Just that, um, he's no good. He's no good. I'm probably gonna put a clip of him in a TFA Part 3 because what he says is very, uh, very true as far as I'm concerned, but, uh, I think he knew as he was saying it, he was like, uh-oh, this might be like super controversial. And it probably would have prompted a few news articles, actually, which it must suck, you know, being like an A-list star. And you know that the second you express any kind of opinion that there's gonna be a whole bunch of people like, oh my god. Yeah, you can't have that opinion. You have done a bad. That totally reasonable opinion isn't nearly as controversial as the direction that you should be thinking of stuff in. Nyeh. Yeah, it's funny, he was, uh, he was, he was like explaining how TLJ sucks while playing, uh, Stahl's Battlefront II Remake. And she's like, oh. He's like a die-hard Stahl's Tism. I'd fucking knew this. I feel like, like the dating, the power dynamic of that would be really bad. I was gonna say, you probably get, you probably gained something from that. Yeah, like if you were on really good terms with some of these, um, furry gods, the man you could, oh. Anubis is the god of death, right? Mummification. Well. And the afterlife. Yeah, there's gotta be something you can do with that. Osiris, Osiris was the god of death, I think. Let me double-check Osiris. Uh, Underworld and Judge of the Dead, um. Wow, he's pretty judgmental, I think. Uh, you know, I mean. But yeah, Anubis was, you know, I, yeah, he'd be good, pretty good to, uh, you know, be on really good, good terms with. Really good terms with. Yeah, I like good terms. Really just want to have, fuck you. He doesn't give a what he wants, god damn it. Oh. Damn you, Moose Lee. He's gonna lean around organs, if you understand. I'm going to catch my drift here. Starting the one EFAP I was waiting for, and I'm in the middle of my shift. Hey, that can sometimes work, depending on what kind of job you have. Uh, I gotta join in later. Also, hi everyone. And also, salutation rags. You gorgeous doggo, no homo. Well, thanks. Salutations to you. Uh, cause witches be salty, yo. This must relate to the discussing, um, uh, the wife. Job's wife. Who's wife? Yeah. Yeah. Lot, lot's wife. Lot's wife, that's it. Lot's wife. The salty one. Mola, could I pay you to voice act? Um, I don't really do that these days. Pay me to voice act. We sound exactly, I'll do my best molar impression for your project. Dude, Snake just hid and run the child in front of me. Oh my goodness. I don't know. I don't know how to feel about this way. He just left. He just did a youth. Look at the tracks. He just. He had one goal. He was instinctive that he had to get away. He didn't even think about it. He knew what he was doing. Oh yeah. Uh, but yeah, as for, as for voice acting, like, um, can't, can't imagine what it was. Like very specific circumstances or whatever. I'd be curious what, what you're interested in getting exactly. Just, just, uh, there's an easy yes on it. Well, easy no or maybe. That's pretty much all that probably do. It's because these days I'm mostly voice acting for myself with the recording tisms. Ooh, gotta be saying weirds and stuff. Terrible. Uh, rags. How different is Ironsight aiming in video games from IRL sites? Um, so in video games, the biggest difference is that it is way more difficult in real life. Uh, this is the, probably the single biggest difference between shooting in video games and shooting in real life is that whenever you shoot in a video game, your Ironsights are always lined up perfectly for the sake of the accuracy being from like controlling where the point of aim is and controlling the recoil. Whereas in real life, it's about, you know, perfectly lining up the front sites and the back site in whatever configuration there is. This is the biggest single difference. One of the most common things I notice you point out is that they either, they don't have like a back site or a rear site. Yeah, sometimes when a, it bugs me whenever there's a, so an example would be, I think it was in Batwoman that happened where a guy pulled out a rifle and there was no rear sight for it. There was only like a front post. Uh, some shotguns kind of use that design where there's a rib that runs along the top of the shotgun that has a bead in front. But there is a reason that it's basically not on anything else as far as I'm aware. You have to line up the front and back. I know in Day Z, there was, I don't know if this is still the case, I haven't played it in a long time, but you could take an M4 and you could remove the carry handle sites that essentially acted as the rear sight so that only the front prong was there, which gave you a lot better field of view, but that because it's a video game, the front post would always be the point of where you're firing. That would be your point of aim, even though in real life, you wouldn't have a back thing to line it up with. But that's probably the single biggest difference. Shooting with handguns is extremely difficult and takes a lot of practice. Whereas in video games, it's you just point at the center of the screen and it's always there every single time. Probably that's probably the biggest difference. Wait, are you saying that people who are really good at video game shooting might not actually be very good at all at real life shooting? Yeah, I am saying that as shocking as it is. However, if you, some skills could probably translate to a degree, if, for instance, reloading to some degree, if you gave a random person who had never seen a gun before, like an AK in a magazine and told them to reload it, they would probably be slower than someone who's played video games all of their life. And you gave them an AK in a magazine and told them how to reload it, just because of the visual component of seeing a gun. Yeah, they know kind of where things go and what things get, like how the slide gets wrapped even. Interesting. Yeah, it's little stuff like that. But yeah, I mean, you can get something from it. But in terms of actual shooting, nah. Yeah, it's usually the weight and the recoil are always shocking to people who've never used a gun before. Yeah, the noise, you have to wear hearing protection because guns are loud. The difficulty of shooting, period, which you could pick up fairly quick. You know, once you kind of learn it, like a couple of weeks ago, I hadn't been shooting in a while. So I went out a couple of weeks ago to shoot guns and most of them were handguns. And there was a marked improvement between the first magazine I'd put down and like the second and third, where you just sort of, you learn your sights and where to position them. But yeah, video games take out the shitty realistic parts for the sake of video game fun and be thankful that they do. Yes, though, could that theoretically lead to criticisms? Potentially, it depends on what kind of realism we're going for, like never respawning, random weapon jamming. There are some things that would be technically more realistic, but that would hurt from a gameplay perspective. I remember a lot of weapon jamming for a Falker 2. Yeah, I would say that like the good middle ground is an arcade depiction of a real life phenomenon. So in battlefield is a good example. A lot of games do this. Battlefield in particular, there is bullet travel, bullets or projectiles that take this travel time. And there's also bullet drop. Obviously, it's much more complex in real life, but in video games, if you have an arcade version of that real phenomenon, it's fun. So that would that would be one example. Stuff like that. But there's a niche market out there for people who really love super complicated games and they'll always look at how well Tarkov is doing. There's a market there. Most disappointing thing since my son, etc. So that's a reference to Gdol Cosmo repeating Uncle Plinkett's points, I imagine. But yeah, he didn't do it. He didn't do a good job. That's the thing, I haven't seen Plinkett's videos in a long time. And even I remember a lot of things where I was like, yeah, pretty sure Plinkett made that point, but he had a lot more to say about it than just the point. Yeah, I think Cosmo was really relying on people having seen Plinkett's reviews. This video wouldn't have been shit either way though. Yep. The cast is peak. This cast is peak EFAP. Love you all. Also, hi, Jay. Yeah, that was that was Fringy, Jay, Rags, Anna, and I. Good selection of five. Good group. God says, cool guys don't look at explosions by force. I mean, the force prevents people. I want to say that I like the... I'm going to say that was... I think I'm aware of that song. Hi, Rags. Hello. If Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona seceded from the United States and formed a new tax owner, would you move there? No. Certainly not at first. I would be wary of their infrastructure, currency, trade laws, things of that nature. But if it turned out to be good, then like assuming everything was basically equal, I very possibly might. But it would just depend on how it all works out. In theory, potentially. I'm not against it in principle. I would prefer that they remained in the United States. Good ol' new tax owner. New tax owner. Bible Two, written and directed by Ryan Johnson. I mean, I'd check it out. Just saying. For expectations more than the Bible One. Mola, in the Sinai, archaeologists found proof, OG, the Israelites in the desert and in the scripture, they talk about God and his wife. Oh. God and his wife. He had a wife. I don't know. Did she have her own universe that she got to make? And it's just like very different. Oh, plenty of religions had gods that had wives. And yeah, they wouldn't kill themselves. I was pretty clearly written as a polytheist piece, contrary to what a lot of people think. I mean, you know, God got around. We know this. I know Zeus got around. Yeah, boys. Just like way cooler than God is like, well, yeah, to a degree, sure. Zeus is pretty based. The lightning aspect is pretty cool. Like all of the gods may be able to, you know, command lightning some degree, but that's like his thing. Like if they do it, it's like, why are you just copying Zeus? It's pretty cool to be Zeus. That's just saying. He's a player. Bible Two, Jesus, holy boogaloo. Jesus, holy boogaloo. Bible Two, unbridled rage when it's on the way. What do they call it? The Jew galoo. I imagine the movie so much like like the idea of releasing a movie called The Bible Two. Like the Bible. Can you do that like legally? Or would you get to some kind of trouble? No, you can. The Bible's public domain. I want them to do that, but with like an incredibly high budget, like a hundred million. And it's just about how Jesus returns and he brings him another book. And it's got like loads of new rules in it. And you're like, whoa, all right. Me and my dad and the other one we've been talking. Apparently this isn't nearly as clear as we thought. So here's the second version. Hopefully this will clear up a lot of issues. In fairness, done a lot of redrafting. This one's pretty solid, I think. It's my best. This one's okay. This one's pretty good. You guys are going to love the ending. Yeah. All right. Okay. We'll like reviewing it on some kind of app. Like chapter three is not very good. And Jesus is like, okay, well, you know, you didn't have to say that. Could have just said it's not for you. Could have just, yeah. It's all subjective. He's like, well, I'm Jesus. So I don't know. Is it really bad? I don't think so. Well, I guess it's one in one. I guess Holy Spirit's got to be a tiebreaker. Oh, yeah. Imagine he throws one to the bus. He's like, that was the Holy Spirit's chapter. I've not really fond of it either. He's like, wow. I feel like 2D1, the rules are that we have to kind of, you know, we guys could use them a little bit of work. I mean, it's not, we're not saying it's bad. We're not saying it's bad. We're saying this is a fantastic start. Bible two is being written by Ryan Johnson right now. Why is everyone, it's like everyone wants Ryan Johnson to write the Bible two so he can ruin the Bible law. Ruin all the, assassinate all the Bible characters. That's what they're looking for. Wow, that was the worst attempt at getting those I've ever seen from myself. The Bible two, electrocute. 42 is the answer because that's how many children were killed by the angry Sheebaes for calling Elijah from the Bible bold. Oh, right. Yeah. They said he was bald. In fairness, I would kill someone for referring to either me or my friends as bold. That's just, that's peak wrongness, you know. It does seem a little. Do you know anything worse than doing that? Like, I can't think of anything. That's, that's a fucked up story. It's like, that's, you're not, you're not going to get that one in the children's version of the Bible. If there's no God, then how did matter come to be? If that's a legitimate question, I would question why God is the one you assume did it. Yeah, I feel like that. That's literally an argument from Ignorance Fallacy. I mean, I would pause it. This flag spaghetti was to did it. How do you, how do you think matter came to be? You'd have to, you'd have to provide evidence that it was an agent at all. Well, it's pretty obvious. This spaghetti in the universe. So that's like his children. I mean, it was, if it wasn't Thor, then who was it? If it wasn't, you know, Ra, then who was it? If it wasn't. And we know Ra's pretty fucking powerful. Let's be fair. You can throw people from any rooftop. I remember when I was 12 and that sounded like a good argument. Boba Fett is alive and is going to be in Mando season two thoughts. Oh, I'm terrified. I'm fucking terrified. I honestly feel like there's like nine ways it can go bad and one way it can go good. They ain't going to do it. They're not going to do it well. Boba Fett's going to get, he's going to get shown up by Mando somehow. And Mando's a good Carl idiot. Or Tara or Cara. Yeah. It's going to be horrible. A lot of people are really excited about it. I'm just like, no, it was bad enough when they were ruining their own stuff and now they're going to start ruining other things. As you can tell, EFAP community, Rags and I are not very positive about Mandalorian. Mandalorian's terrible. I get why you like it, but it's still terrible. It's like the prequels. And I'm very concerned about every season going forward because TV shows don't tend to, I mean, I will say TV shows do tend to improve from their first season, but I don't know. Modern TV shows, I don't know if that's the trend. I would have to look into it, but it does seem like the first season is often the better one with TV shows from like 2010 onwards. I think Rags, Rags left Christian faith mostly because he wanted to bang guys and it is not allowed. He lashes out because he does not like hearing that teaching. Dude, I love that. It's just that you found out you couldn't bag dudes. You're like, that's it. Fuck this religion. Yeah. It actually wasn't at all. There was a pretty decent stretch of time where I was very, very, I knew that I was into dudes. And that had not really much to do with me leaving Christianity. Yeah. I imagine it's much more of a meaningful reason why you were interested in Christianity. And all that you wanted to fuck dudes. Yeah, definitely wasn't that. I mean, there's plenty of priests who fuck little boys. So that obviously isn't this qualifier at all. Yeah, Rags still had opportunities in there. He could have taken advantage of it, but he decided to join a different club. The club of the gay or the buy. The gay club. But having the buy card means you could go into both the gay and straight clubs. It's not bad. Fun fact, Mansa Munsa single handedly crashed the Middle Eastern economy by being extremely generous. Moral of the story is be a greedy massive. Yeah, you can crash economies by being too generous. I remember Mansa Munsa wasn't he in one of the civilization games? Possibly. I think that's how I know that name. But yeah, excessive generosity can absolutely wreck economies. EFAP is covering Cosmodal Variety with Jay and Anna. This is where the fun begins. Also, hello there Rags. Hey there. Yeah, I think that was a fun stream. Extensive. Exhaustive. But fun. I might be it was the longest coverage we've had for a single video, because like I said, it was his video was 45 minutes. So that sounds like it could absolutely be the case. It was a 10 hour stream or just over 10. And it was it was an hour and a half, I think of preamble, because we had to go through his other stuff to figure out how he judges things. And it only made everything worse. Yeah, it did not help. It was a no good. I just love that he came up with that categorization where he was like criticism that's just inaccurate. And then it was like, oh, hey, it's your video. Yeah, thanks. Makes it so much easier. It's really hard for him to like establish that and then simultaneously establish that like, you know, it's all down to the person. Because I think people who really have trouble categorizing those two things, like when it is actually down to the person versus when it is actually just something you've got categorically wrong. For example, it's not his opinion that Palpatine having several degrees of separation for ordering assassins is a bad thing. Like how do you argue that? You have to come up with an actual argument because neutrally that's a good thing. Yeah, that seems to be a pretty solid plan. And of course, I think there are ways in certain contexts that you could argue that that's a bad thing. You know, yeah, if you yeah, you could take it too far. Like if you hire if you get too many people involved in the plot. Yeah. But the but the I assume the idea is that Sam only knows that Django wants it because he order he organizes the you know, hits Django only knows that Count Dooku wants it and Count Dooku is the only one who knows the Palpatine wants it. Exactly. And once you can get that that first person that you give it to, if you can absolutely trust them, then you're pretty much only have one person to worry about. Because if Django for whatever reason decides that he's going to tell, then that doesn't come back to Palpatine, only the next person up. And that still doesn't. Yes. Was it I always have to remind myself Count Dooku was aware that Palpatine was was the emperor, right, from Azalea's Clone Wars? I'm assuming he was. Well, in the Clone Wars, he told Obi-Wan that he was concerned that he's saying that a Sith is in control of the Senate, basically. Which is like half trolling, right? Because as much as that's true, he's OK with it. Yeah, sort of. This is the thing about the prequels. I'm like, man, I could really have gone for more scenes about these characters because they seem really interesting to me. Yeah, instead we got Jar Jar. Yeah, we got a lot of Jar Jar. And that's the thing. The sequels, we got plenty of them. They're just worthless characters. Nothing's going on for them. It's all terrible, basically. Like I found Count Dooku infinitely more interesting than anyone from the sequels. Which, by the way, is apparently a hot take because Kazunot was pretty convinced that Count Dooku was the worst character in Star Wars, did you say? Well, here, before we get into that, I got to get something real quick. I'll be right back. But please hold on a little bit more. How are you doing, Chat? We've gone through a decent handful. I think we should be able to get through all of this, the E85s in this stream. And hopefully we'll catch up with the ones that we've done today as well. With this nice game in the background. Though I'm almost halfway through this game. If I get through Lisa's levels, I think I'm halfway. Appu's levels are the halfway point, right? Lisa, it goes Lisa, Appu. No, Lisa Marge, Appu. Bartoma. So Marge's levels are the halfway point. You're doing meh. Hello, Mola. Hello, long man. Hello, Mola. Hello, all. How do you do? Dooku, F tier. No, I refuse to agree. Dooku is like, just, you know, he gets cool points for being Christopher Lee, of course. But that's, you know, misconceived as being like, that's the only reason he's interesting. I think that if he was played by someone else, we'd still be talking about the fact that he's an ex Jedi. Got his own political beliefs. He also has history with some of the characters. You know, it's like a lot, a lot going on there. And it's a pity there wasn't more Flesh or Flash, as some people call it. Dooku is okay tier. No. I mean, I would sell for that. I would sell for a lot of the characters in the prequels being okay tier. I'm just not settling for them being the worst in all of Star Wars when we got the sequels existing. That's where you're taking it too far. Okay, stay still. Yeah, this beach doesn't look very beach-like. It looks like it's one beige color. And beaches, you know, they have at least several beige colors, so I'm not settling for that. Why's the pride double the four? We did have a good line. Yeah, a couple of good ones. If I remember the preamble to the fight in Attack of the Clones, set some cool stuff. I've become more powerful than a Jedi. Even you. Like the idea that he was a Jedi, he got into the dark side, and he was so impressed with how much more power he felt he had that that alone was worth it. I mean, exploring this stuff, I feel is a much better way to spend our time in Star Wars. Same for Mace Windu, by the way. I can't consider that. Characters would be super interesting. It's like a rogue that is still like one of the most respected members of the Council. Always rogue-ish to a degree with the whole going to execute Palpatine. I feel like this stuff to explore there. It's not just that it's Samuel Jackson, okay? All right. Lee's acting makes him one of the best in the whole saga. Only Guinness knows he really matched. Yeah, I mean, I will say that Christopher Lee's acting is just so enjoyable to watch. That man was born to be charismatic in spite of being playing like horrible people a lot of the time. I'm so glad we got him as Saruman. That's just a really cool thing that we got to have. Got to count our chickens when it comes to media folks because it's mostly losses. Like, well, we got that. I wonder if they'll be like... There's a lot of like, Charles Dance is like an alternative to Christopher Lee, but he's not going to be around forever either. We need some more of these old cis white males with villainous intentions. Got to hire more of them. I haven't seen this game in years. Hello Anna, how you doing? Playing some good old Simpsons Hit and Run a game that I played a lot when I was younger, but a lot of people didn't even know existed. Dooku is not as good as Dexter Jester. Well, it's quite clear that this contest should not be decided by our knowledge of the force, but by our skew with a lightsaber. Like, pretty cool. But, you know, a tad superficial. It's just him being like, I'll beat you up. And you're like, yeah. It's cool that Star Wars and other properties can let, you know, like, people of such a high age that would in normal life just be kind of worthless when it comes to fighting be really effective, if not the most effective. Are we still talking about Christopher Lee? Um, well, I mean, this applies to Yoda as well, even though he's an alien. But just old man being like, you see an old man and you're like, what are you going to do? An old man with a gun is like, okay, yeah, I guess, but an old man without a gun, but it's simultaneously like, oh shit, an old man. He's got super forcedisms, watch out. That's, um, you know, also, I'm going to be able to show you something funny soon if I get Millhouse over here. It's going to be great. Millhouse is someone that when you hit in this game, it just feels right, you know? Serious question. Dexter Jetser versus Ogre Plut who wins? I mean, Dexter Jetser seems to legitimately have some like, he seems like a well traveled and experienced person who's done shit. He's got an anchor tattoo. He does? Yeah. So in his arm when he's talking to Obi-Wan, and so that makes me think, you know what? This guy, he's got a tattoo. That means he's done ass. That's how it works. Yeah, he's done some stuff. Unkar Plut just seems like he's, he fancies himself, the king of his tiny little desert, scavenging kingdom. He himself is not imposing nor threatening. He sits around all day eating quarter portions. Like it's not an impressive life. And they're not half portions, they're double quarter portions. They sell better that way. I shall eat one quarter portion this morning. That's his life. Maybe, maybe another quarter portion. Maybe two more quarters. Wait, Jabba has a tat? Really? I don't know that. It's true. Plut doesn't come across as clever and Dexter Jetser does. Well, I mean, he gets his millennium falcon stolen because someone walked into it and activated it. Like, good job. To be fair, the tarp did get blown away. So the first level of defense has already been dealt with. Wait, the walk-up blown away? The tarp? Oh, fuck. Oh, I thought you were serious. I was like, fucking, I don't know if that counts. No, no, it's, no, I'm not. He tried. Yeah. Oh no, am I game frozen? Oh man. I don't know if it also saved relatively recently. So that means I'm going to have to miss out on a lot of times. Oh no. Well, oh no. You know what? If this was like a let's playing sort of series, that would be really bad. But luckily we're just sort of answering questions. And so people won't necessarily notice that I'll be doing a lot of the same things now for the next five minutes. Yeah. Nothing, nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing strange about any of this seems pretty, seems pretty reasonable to me, I think. I, I agree. Uncarplot had too many portions. We needed to tone it down, I feel like. Too many fucking portions. Oh my God. I couldn't possibly have another portion, maybe just one quarter portion more. Bring me that droid so that I may eat it. You would think that any one thing could only be turned into four quarter portions, but I don't know. I feel like the man knows a thing or two. I also feel that. Also why isn't Dolphin showing up? You were showing up before. Don't lie to me. Dolphins are shy. All right. Let's reboot the whole, the whole Dolphin Sim, because clearly it's dying. Which is okay. Jay, you're a sump. God. Sump. I don't know what this sump is. Surely don't recommend it. All right. Back up. Fantabulous. Hello chat people. Mola, Rags, EFAP guest, and I guess Jay. Hello. How'd it do? So how about that Last of Us 2 drama? Yeah, seems pretty tizm. I don't know what's going on exactly. I guess we'll find out once the full game is out, but it's not looking good from, from what I'm seeing people react to it with. I've seen very few people be positive about it, so yeah, that's where we're at, I suppose. Hello, Crymaw. How'd you do? It's Doom Sausage Man. He's in chat. Doom Sausage Man. Doom. He's a Sausage Man. Spiders were told that you Dumbos will watch Hardcore Henry, but they refuse to give me the day it occurs. Ah. Yeah, you got to pay the spiders a lot more for that. They're, they're very finicky with what they'll tell you about the future. They're like, mm-hmm. Spiders don't work for free. I feel like anyone who can tell the future probably will work for free. Yeah, they're gonna, they're gonna push for it. You know, trying to monetize that ability, which I think is only natural. Unrelated, how does one torture a spider? Um, I, the same way you torture anything else, I'd imagine. Yeah, I feel like that's self-explanatory. There's a lot of ways that you'd go about it. Yeah, you could punch them, hit them, smack them. Stick them in a stew. Fire nuts to them. Yeah. That is, that is a deep reference. Did you get it? Well, yeah. Okay, I'm curious if chat does. Let's see. What? That stick them in a stew? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't tell them. Let's see, see if they get it. I feel like I'm gonna get a couple of question marks, a couple of what, and then a couple of, yeah, I got it, yeah. And then some people who post the actual full quote probably. I know chat so well that I've predicted their entire reaction to what I've said. Rags, did you forget about the Dooku cosmonaut thing? No, I was waiting for, I was giving Mahler a chance to return to that. Oh, wait, what? But we were talking about cosmonaut thinking that Dooku was the worst character. Oh, I mean, we talked about it for a while on the actual stream, right? It's like the worst take ever. Yeah, I will admit, yeah, that is a, that is a really bad take, yes. Like, he's worse than Rose Tico. She's like, whoa, all right. Worse than Rose, worse than Jar Jar. Worse than Unkar Plut. I knew it. So you got question marks, you got yes, you got the actual quote. I knew it. I knew it. Are you saying that people know this extremely famous movie quote? I think some of the people in chat may have seen the movie. So I'm going to put seven money on it. Seven money. I'm feeling dangerous. Bro, and even money. Mahler, I find it jarring that you have all people are complaining about Twitch censorship when your own discord has a banned word filter. Well, I don't really decide what words definitely cannot be used on discord, but I know there's a couple that if you use them, it prevents you from ever partnering as a discord server, which is something we're still trying to get done. Yeah, there are some words that if you say them, like discord has nuked servers before. And yeah, I don't know that I would never censorship, use a sensor for different words, or maybe sensor based on how you're using the word. It could happen. If like, if you had someone who just only ever used them as insults aggressively in like a text chat, and they were like, lol, it's all jokes. I should be like, yeah, it's not really working out. You and I, yeah, I know in my server, like if you went around and you kept calling Fringy a Frigger, I would be really upset with that. And I would very likely ban you for saying that, you know? Yeah, everything's in context. But if you have Twitch censoring simp, like you're gonna need to explain to me how exactly that's fair. I don't understand what the logic there is. How is it so harmful to have like a simp emote or even the word? And this again applies to YouTube with like, oh, you can't say, you know, fuck in a super chat. I'd be like, why? And maybe there is logic behind it that I could understand. Maybe there's something to do with like, I don't know, some legal or official system that they're more having to adhere to that's not simply a moral one. Like, oh, can't have a swear word. Think of the children. Think of the poor streamer that's playing Simpsons in Run and having to read a super chat that has the word fucking in. Wrong, wrong, I say. Because we could say it on live streams, but you can't type it and send it to the people on the live stream. And of course, they can't consent to it and be okay with it. That would be the worst thing too. Nope, can't do it. Incells are worse than simps. Hey, I don't know, I don't know. Actually, if you're dealing with somebody who wants to have sex but just can't quite get it versus someone who's constantly doing everything they can and happily lives in a life where they just perpetually never do. Well, no, an incel is someone who is involuntarily celibate. Like they really, really want to have sex. But I suppose there's similarities there, right? Because simps kind of are incels most of the time. A lot of the time. Yeah, I think it's the attitude that's really the difference. I don't think, I think, well, you can simp, but like be in a relationship and you could be simping for the person you're in a relationship with, I guess. Yeah, it's just a matter of like you're doing, going way further and doing all kinds of favors and shit with the hope of eventually getting sex one day. Is that essentially what simping is? If you're being abusive to yourself is still being abusive in a weird way. I don't know. I think there's definitely an overlap in terms of outcomes and stuff. I think it's kind of the way the attitudes are presented that's different, but I'm not, I guess I'm not certain myself. Perhaps we can have chat, discuss it and figure out the definitive answer. I feel like if any community can nail it, it'll be the EFAP one, you know. They'll know which, which is the inferior entity, the simp or the incel. Hello there, you longer Lloyds. How are you all doing? I'm doing well, yes. A little heated these days because of the good old scare ball coming out and saying howdy, but only natural as part of the seasonal cycle. And otherwise working on, you know, good old fashioned videos and everything else running mostly normally. How are you rags? I'm going to say that things are going well. IRL things are good. Things, I mean, my health's good. The weather's nice. It's been raining a whole lot over here though. That could change. I'm all right though. I'm going to worry about, you know, that's the, that's the case. I'm curious what your favorite boogaloo memes are. Please explain to the foreigners what it is. A boogaloo, like a without rule of law situation or scenario. I have enjoyed a lot of the boogaloo memes, but I can't think of any specifically off the top of my head right now, but I do. There have been many that I know I have enjoyed. Is that all that means? Just law is not present. Yes. WROL is shortened. Oftentimes without basically means. Yeah, like no, no police, you know, or being active, that sort of thing. Apocalyptic in that sense. Why does Cosmo always sound so aggressive? Aggressive. Would you, would you, as I catarise him, aggressive? Not aggressive. I think he's certainly putting up a facade of some kind, especially with a voice. I mean, we know the voice is bullshit the way that he does that really annoying vocal fry. Yeah. And I don't base that on the fact that I've seen several moments or clips or whatever of him not using it at all. And it's always in a casual setting and always like, hmm. It reminds me of a closer look. I feel like the vocal fry voice is kind of like one of our young man first starts to grow facial hair of any kind. It's like he mistakes it as like a symbol of virility. And so he hangs onto it regardless of how ridiculous it looks or how ironically unmanly that facial hair makes him seem. This is pretty much the audio equivalent of that. Works for a lot of people, apparently. I just find it frustrating most of the time. I guess. I think it's annoying. I don't know if I describe it as like angry. Yeah, not angry. Passive aggressive, maybe. I would definitely describe a lot of his takes as bitter. So that's a common theme throughout a lot of people we cover where they're just like, you can tell they're annoyed that something isn't quite going the way they think it should. Which can actually explain a lot of why I make some videos, sure. But you know, you try to avoid coming across as really petty while doing it, I guess. Because, man, Cosmo was pretty much said he made that video because people are being too positive about the prequels. I don't care if they're positive or negative, as long as they're accurate. Yep. He managed to fail out quite spectacularly. Yeah, that was, listen, criticizing the prequels, that's a softball. That's an easy peasy that you're managing to ruin. It's the thing, people want us to check out his OT criticism and I'm like, oof. Wonder how that's going to go. If it's anything like his prequel criticisms, they ain't going to be good. I'm guessing we're going to get a moment of like, see all films have flaws and be like, whoa, whoa, fucking nailed it. What a, why, you think he came up with that? That every film has flaws? Appreciate what I was invented by, um, by Abraham Lincoln. He wrote about it in his inauguration. Four score and 20 flaws ago. All films have flaws. Like, oh my god. What's a film, that new technology? What is a film but a collection of flaws? And what is a flaw, but a collection of films? What is a film, a sad, miserable little pile of flaws? I know that reference. There you go. Wee. All right, we finally caught up to all that progress I lost, almost. Better save. Actually have been just in case. Okay. Hmm, Boba Fett's popularity has nothing to do with anything he did in the OT. Do you, I don't know about that. Yeah, I don't know about that either. I'd say most Star Wars fans probably don't even know. I'm going to say Star Wars fans. I mean, people who say outwardly that they really like the Star Wars. They probably don't even know about the bonus Boba Fett content, you know. As far as they're concerned, he died with the Sarlacc. The Ex-Pended Universe. Um, do-do-do. So Arch says that I asked, which is worse, the Simper incel? He says a simp. Least the incel isn't throwing money down the drain. I think that's a fair thing to say, yeah. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. There is an aspect of a simp is at least contributing to the, but it's not in a good way. That's the thing. If you could categorize it as such, like you're just basically giving a woman money because she's streaming and she's a woman and you have this stupid idea in your head that she'll love you or like you or like you need to have a personal relationship or investment in them. So you just give them money in place of an actual relationship because the parasocial relationship you do have is parasitic. It's like a weird Stockholm syndrome kind of effect. Yeah. And the incel might be spending money in ways that are trying to get the sacks and it's not quite the working, but at least with the simp by definition it's pretty much a guarantee while the incel is like, you know, could be doing it, could also not be. I imagine for the most part they're, I don't even know, maybe. Maybe. Paparagu, shall you teach us about the grammar? Also, can you do a British West country accent? British West country? What would an example of that be? Let's see if there's a YouTube example. Also, yeah, Rax has taught us lots about grammar as we've progressed. Indeed. I'm no expert, but there's just some things that I can appreciate about. A language. For example. All right, my lover. Oh, it's like the hot fuzz accents. All right, my lover. Oh, like the wife, like the fat wife character in Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves. Yes, I want to be tested by this because I might be wrong. I'm never good with where exactly accents come from. But yeah, I'm assuming it's like Fargo but British. Yeah, I think that's a easy way to sort of translate it. Sounds more Irish. A lot of people say that about the fucking, this is the thing. Accents are in a big sphere. Like there's lots of things that connect and disconnect all of them. I mean, like literally they're on a big sphere. Whoa. Tell me, you could be an amazing policeman officer. That's the, I'm trying to think of hot fuzz quotes. Hot fuzz is very good. Everyone should rewatch it every day. We should rewatch it sometime. It's been ages since I've seen hot fuzz. I remember liking it a lot though. Like how you said like British Fargo and then they were like so not Fargo. It's like, well, yeah, that's what Rags said. Yeah, yeah, that is what I said. Oh my God, they have Lisa's Florida outfit. This is a, this is what Homer made for her to dress up as Florida for school. I know that from the memes. That's the thing, I haven't seen the show, but I know it from the memes. I'm buying it. I'm going to dress up as it until I need to dress up with something else. Right, you are my love. Yeah. Hello, me lover. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Don't you know? I think lots of different accents share lots of different things. The fact that every time I bring out Welsh in front of people in New Fap, they think it's Jamaican. Yeah, Jamaican. We'd rather be able to see ghosts everywhere, but not hear them or hear ghosts everywhere, but not see them. I don't like either of those. What do ghosts look like? I feel like it can only be creepy. Like, not necessarily that they look buctacular, just the fact that you know they're there, you know? I would rather hear than see. Would you? Well, hmm, actually, I don't know. I guess I'd rather, I would rather see than hear. Rather see them than hear them. I consider both of these a curse though. Because I could close my eyes and I don't see them anymore and at night I won't see them, but you can never make the sounds go away. Well, you can, you can put on some headphones. But you'll never have, like, quiet again? Or, like, it depends. Like, what if you legitimately want to... Like, do, are they always talking? Do they ever shut up? I don't know. Do they ever have interesting information? Like, by the way, I know who shot Kennedy and you're like, oh my god. Yeah. Well, you just asked John F. Kennedy's ghost. I was about to say, yeah, his ghost could pop up and be like, hey man. You're like, oh man, I know you. Oh, he wouldn't know, to be fair. You ask him and he's like, why would I know that? I don't know. Dude, I don't really know. If you find out, you tell me so I could double-hunt him. Oh god, my car's got smoke in it. Here we go. Someone said we can't... Oh, never mind, keep going. What if it's, what if a ghost kept begging for revenge, though? Oh, that would further solidify me wanting to see them and not hear them? What if they drew on things? But it was only stuff you could see, yeah. They held up signs, goat signs. Like, you may not be able to hear me, but I could write shit out, I'll force you. Oh, what if the ghost didn't know that you couldn't hear them? Well, what if they got in the way when you're trying to watch a movie or play games and stuff and they're just standing there like, hey, you're like, I know you're upset that you got murdered in some way, shape or form, but it's not my deal. That wasn't me, my dude. Good question. I don't like thinking about the potential of both of them, and I feel like once we get all the specifics out, we'd probably be able to decide, but I'll go with the seeing them one and hoping for the best. I'd rather see them than hear them. You've heard of System of a Down. Get ready of Table of a Brown. Oh, like it. I like it. Nice. I like what I hear. Oh, my meeting chief. No. The flight plan doesn't include Jay. Kick him off my aircraft. Oh, don't kick him while the aircraft's in flight. He might get splattered on the ground and can't do that. It's against the Jedi code. Hey guys, I save e-faps for the work week, so won't be watching live. Anyway, any schlocky 80s flicks that you find well written recently watched Big Trouble Little China, and I think it holds up. Schlocky 80s? I feel like there's a bunch. I just can't name any right now. I suppose it'll often depend on how one defines schlocky as well, because a lot of the time that comes from something being like stupid or ridiculous. When was, like, went back to the future count? Don't. I mean, as far as I was aware, no, but I always associate schlocky with, like, just over-the-top or un... What about Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure coming out? Is that Midfine? What was that? Let me look it up. I need someone to define schlocky for me, because I'm getting lost. Give me something to grasp. That was 1989. Yeah, Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. That was 80s. 89. Ghostbusters count. I feel it's too self-aware. Hotel Recall might do. Maybe. Oh, hey, Rex. Check this out. You ready? What about Demolition Man? You see a stream now? Yeah, I'm watching. Talk to Millhouse. Oh, God. Oh, no. Oh, that green car is fucking... Where did he go? What happens now? How does the game resolve this? Yeah, I can't quite remember. Where is he? Surely the game is accounted for this and something happens to him. Maybe I hit him too far, because I've got a very strong memory of him climbing back up. But I'm not seeing him. I think I killed him. He's gone forever. He ceased existing. Millhouse. I'm actually curious if, like... Does he respawn? Or do I have to reload the game? I mean, I'm sorry, not sorry. I don't know. I guess I'll restart Mission Man. That makes sense. He's gone. We will try that again, but in a way that doesn't send him really far out, all right? Doesn't Millhouse just walk up that cliff? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he can. So we'll have to try and recreate that. Greetings, you massives, and hello, rags. Hey! Um, been trying to catch up on EFAP videos currently at EFAP 58. Wait, I think I've gone too far. Where are you at, Millhouse? Uh, thank god there are individuals like yourselves with great logic on the internet. Your podcasts has helped me deal with depression, praise the dawn, and his toxic brood. Absolutely. Oh, thanks so much. Yeah. Good tisms. You're on EF 58. Still got plenty left. Um, only the one debate episode from that point on, right? That's the first time I remember. No, wait, uh, Yasmin was after that, wasn't it? Oh, that was after 50. Think? I think so. Well, plenty of content to come. I'm all the ruined Millhouse. Well, most people ruin Millhouse. It's uh, it's part of his journey. He's getting ruined. Best Spider-Man adaptation is Japanese Spider-Man. In that vision, he's the friendly neighborhood messenger of hell. Google it. Um, I believe you. Sounds, uh, sounds interesting. I wonder if people will consider that unfaithful. Still waiting on that steamboat praise, long man. I feel like any praise I could give a steamboat would just be inefficient, you know? Never forget Matarou's sacrifice upon donning the Kanohi Ignika. Matu Nui lives on unity, duty, destiny. Is that a, is that a bionicle thing? I could be. Because Mata Nui, isn't that the island where they're on? I feel like we'll know for sure in moments we'll chat. That's saying bionicle with exclamation points. Apparently it is, yeah. Surprising how many people know about bionicle. This is good. It is kind of a meme. Uh, Ryan Johnson writes the bible too. How our expectations subverted. So, God's actually caring and loving and good person. Jesus is like a drunk in this one. He's upset because when he came back for the second time, nobody was really interested in killing him. And he realized that he loved getting killed. That was his like whole thing. And that was his weird fetish. He could live out a snuff fetish over and over and over again. And God's like, stop Jesus. Stop getting killed. He's like, ah, this fucking throws me on though. What I want, dad. I guess I would actually suck because then he'd have to get reborn. And then, you know, like every single time. Okay, let's try it with a little bit differently this time. Okay, Mr. Milhouse. Gonna, gonna. Thanks, it's fine. Oh, no, Milhouse. Milhouse. Oh, no. It gets better though. So Milhouse is like, right. Gotta get back to my NPC station. Oh, just another day. You know, you know how it is. Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. Please try it. Oh, you climb all the way back up. This is the true. This is the true punishment for Prometheus. All right. Oh, wait. I just want to talk to him. There you go. Got a rough life, that Milhouse. You know, every single, every single time he's climbing back up because it doesn't matter how many times you get knocked down. It's all about how many times you keep getting back up. Milhouse is the quintessential representation of the human spirit. Getting beat up by a little girl in a Florida costume. Oh, that's, that's life for you. All right. Kill, Maryfuck, Bob Ross, Andy Griffith, Mr. Rogers. So who were the three? Bob Ross, Andy Griffith, Mr. Rogers. Kill, Andy Griffith. Because remember, Andy, let me double double check. Like the actor, Andy Griffith. Or are you talking about the show? Oh, it just says Andy Griffith, so you can take it. He played Andy Taylor in Andy, he played Andy Taylor in the Andy Griffith show. The sheriff. Either way, he's dead. I'm Marion. Oh, they're all dead. Oh, well, yeah, but like for this scenario. Oh, okay. Remember why we were discussing this baller? I thought you were saying like there's no point because he's dead. And I'm like, I got some bad news. Gotta be dead. I fucking killed him with my decision. Either way, he's dead. I would marry Bob Ross and I would know I would fuck Bob Ross and I would marry Mr. Rogers. I think I might flip those. I'm not sure who I'd want to marry out of those two. They're both pretty. I feel like Bob Ross is a really excellent lover. It's a good chance that I know. Because Mr. Rogers was like a pastor, right? So I feel like we can get it fucking. You go stream it. Someone just happened that I don't think that followed physics. I'm looking. What are we talking about specifically? Where I crossed the bridge. Oh, yeah, I switched back to the tab. I was still on the Andy Taylor tab. Well, what just happened is beneficial to me. I don't think it's how things would have gone in real life. I'm starting to think I'm playing a video game. This isn't real. Suspension broken. My God. Children with fewer toys end up more creative. That's a legitimate study that has always stuck with me. Limitation breeds creativity. Yeah, imagination is going to be super conducive to creativity. If you actually have that study on hand, or if you're aware of what it is, if you could deem that to me, I could actually kind of put that to use in a video that I plan to do after the Big Mando review. Yeah, I mean, I'm totally in favor of limitation existing, but I don't like unfair limitation or hampering, if you will. Yeah. Like, how do you make an interesting Star Wars story with all these stupid rules we have to deal with in the OT? It's like, I'm not going to be that hot. Oh, wait, I've gone the wrong fucking way. Caught up to all now and in perfect time. Caught you guys live. Thanks for the great and also the not so great times. Keep it long, Hug J. Keep it long. It shall be kept long. It shall be as long as always, perhaps longer. Spider-Man Homecoming has no real, legitimate, true, factual, honest, complete, actual, literal, tangible, serious, 100% holy, entirely, fully, permanent, lasting, apex, epically, massive consequences. I see. Well, I suppose it always depends on how you define consequences. Because I'd consider it a dramatic change in character to be quite the consequence. The stressing of his relationship with Iron Man, his choice to remain independent instead of joining a team, putting vulture in jail, addressing a lot of the things that have happened in the Avengers universe. I feel like these things are all very important and change the dynamic. Granted, no alien force invades Earth or anything, but I don't think we should really define consequence that way, you know? Yeah, I mean, consequences come in all shapes and sizes. Some of them galactic, some of them very personal and intimate. Like throwing a shoe outside and it hits someone. That's a consequence. It's not really that big of a deal. Give someone a lifelong fear of shoes. That will impact their life. Well, they think Jeebas is throwing shoes at them and it means something deeper. Why Jeebas, why? The you, the you the Americans take out of color is put into the Australian no. No. It all makes sense. It's all coming together. I finally got a notification after missing five episodes in a row. So anyway, hi, Mola. Hi, rags. Kick the hipster and have a good time. Yeah. Bring me say, oh my God, there's nothing wrong with the bidet. Is there? Oh, I think that's a Simpsons reference. Oh my God, there's nothing wrong with the bidet. Is there? I'll put down a note to grab him on it the next time he's here. All right. The other day, you lot discussed whether the Kool-Aid man was the jug or the juice. I can say with confidence as a researcher in the field that he is the jug and that the juice is actually his venom. That's his venom. Went on. So if he loses all the juice, does he die? Because you don't really need your venom to stay alive, right? I mean, I don't think so. He's left to find out in the future. Fringy, you have the best laugh. Nice. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how he laughs. I call racism on that just because he's Australian doesn't mean you have to make fun of him in such a way. Gosh. Hey, guys. So I played Soma because of Mola and Ori because of Wolf and they're both great to complete the trilogy. I would like to play a game recommended by rags and any other EFAP guest. Oh, some. Oh, Resident Evil 4. Oh yeah, good. And if you've already played Resident Evil 4. Witcher 3. Probably, yeah, Witcher 3. Yeah, Resident Evil 4, Witcher 3. Those are fairly mainstream, though. If I had to do something that was a little bit more out of the way, maybe enter the gungeon. That would be a nifty one. Well, then there you are. Yeah, there are some that'll get you started. Finish those and then come back. Um, this one just says N-O-W-O. So no woe, no woe. No woe? No woe? I think so, yeah. I take my headphones off for 20 seconds and come back to Australian Star Wars. Australian Star Wars. See, I don't even remember what part of the podcast this is. Hello, Mola and Co. Mola, how would you fix the rooms that it's logically consistent? Um, the main problem with the room is getting people to act more like people. The characters are like hilarious caricatures or nonsense people. The dialogue is incredibly stilted and awkward. Whether or not the story makes sense, it mostly makes sense from what I remember. I have to re-watch it. Yeah, the problem for that, like to improve the room, if it's a story about, you know, a sort of love triangle and betrayal and all that sort of stuff. It's like, yeah, we got lots of work to do to make it just a tad more believer bubble. Get them people behaving like people. So I've got the police after me. Rex, help. I, what would you like me to tell them? This is a horrible myth. Well, let them know that you're white. I mean, I am in Otto's bus and I am Lisa. The characters in Simpsons are all yellow. What am I supposed to do? Maybe they hate yellow people. Damn. Interesting. Simpsons has yellow and black people. So I guess yellow is white. What have they ever used? I can't remember off the top of my head if they've used like white and black as terms and I think they have in Simpsons, even though I think they've also used yellow as well, like reference to the fact that they yellow skin. Hmm. Well, like the smiley face and the hands are typically by default yellow. So maybe that's a, it's like it's just a go to default of a kind. Fucking driving around the school bus just means I hit loads of things, including innocent, innocent children regularly. I think the game's trying to say something. School bus is a bad. Hey, there we go. Also, Rex, how would you use Anakin's infamous I Don't Like Sand line to get a one night stand? Well, you find a bitch that hates sand and then drop that truth bomb on her. You'll seem very, very relatable. As Cartman would postulate, any woman could probably agree that getting sand in the vagina is not preferable. Oh, that's an easy end. Just be like, yeah, I don't like that either. So high five. Yeah, maybe you have to either come across as intentionally awkward to try and get a laugh in a certain, in a certain way, or you'd have to find someone who legitimately was like complaining about sand. Maybe you're at the beach and there's some other girl there, but she doesn't really want to be there. She's just with her. Someone else or one of her friends wanted to go, but she didn't really care for it. And then that's how you strike something up. Belch. Imola, I may be Miss Marambring, but did you say you once studied graphic design in college? And if so, was there any of your artwork out there on the interwebs? I did foundation in art. And for that, you do like those different courses at once to try and figure out what you want to do. And one of them was graphic design, which was kind of fun, but not really what I was interested in. I liked fine arts and illustration. They were the ones that I liked the most. Then I pursued illustration. And I've got a bunch of artwork I could eventually try and get. Put onto the interwebs at some point, but for now, I don't think there's any places that they actually are. But yeah, maybe one day. A Spider-Man was once a science teacher and a college graduate. Science teacher, huh? Neat. I had no idea. I didn't know that. Have you guys ever heard of a channel called Filmento? Also high rags. Hello. Yes, I have. I think we were asked that on the last eFab, possibly by the same person. And the answer was that yes, I've heard of them. Yes, they could guest on eFab. That would be fine. And there was a possibility of covering one of their videos at some point, the Avengers vs. Age of Ultron one specifically. It was an interesting thought. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Also, yeah, I can't wear my awesome Florida outfit anymore. I've got to wear my cool outfit now. Field Batman. Oh, that is super cool. That's like a poncho. Oh, yeah. Lisa is cool now. I was 15 and I never had money. High top, Rottick. Oh, yeah. Because we mentioned a bit of high top in that stream. I think at the beginning. Yeah, we did a little bit. The cry thing was going to probably going to keep popping up here and there. It's a funny one. I'm going to make a video about how wrong he is. He continues to completely incompetent with his channel and his videos. Um, I don't know if that's about high top or if that's about Cosminal. Oh, hell, maybe it's about EFAP. Okay, who knows? Everyone. They're all wrong. Jay, Steven killed someone in future. I think that's possibly relating to how out of character. I don't know. I don't know what Jay said that would have countered that. He is, he is up on his Steven Universe lore. So, I think he know. You know what I'm saying? Um, oh, wow. I think he's very aggressive. He's got the white male rage. The road rage. He dropped his jeans. I had to pick him up. How bad is that? I should remember this mission being a little difficult. He's like really fast. But he's faster than most. And it's funny because the AI in this game isn't great. So, if like the goal is to make it hard, then they just, they move really fast. They have really good acceleration, but like they don't care what's in front of them. And the game doesn't like adapt for it. So, they could just be randies that are driving and the fucking crazy hard mode racing car just smashes into them. Man, they want to win. Yeah. Also, the ultimate Spider-Man comics don't have Peter Parker be poor, but for the first volume, and after that, they seem to be well off. And that comic ran in Spider-Man's best. Well, this is the thing. So, here's the thing. Oh, yeah. We're probably going to say the same thing. We haven't read the comics. We call cool people out of this stuff. We can never know. Also, I haven't read the comics, but I know damn well they don't all line up. So, you're basically cherry picking which ones are the real comics and which ones aren't. Yeah. And I feel like a lot of the comic fans all agree on certain things while thinking about different things in their heads. Yeah. Like, yeah, that's the case. But simultaneous they're like, yeah, I think X is like, I think Y. He's like, well, we all agree the comics are better. Like, okay. If he derails the train, he'll kill the people on the train. People go on trains, right? Ah, that's the third option. They ride now. They get in trains now. This character would kill. Oh, I think we're on the trolley problem stuff. This character would kill if I convoluted the situation where the only solution is to kill. Well, why do you think hypotheticals exist anyway? It's to- I mean, the point is that if you are not doing anything and allowing people to die through your inaction, you are killing someone. When he was using kill, it was in a much more affirmative way. Well, I mean, that's one way to address that. The other way I'm going to address it is, yeah, you need to drop the preconception that kill is this thing that absolutely will not be done by certain people when it's actually pretty, not only amoral, but very easily done. Like, manslaughter can happen in so many easy ways. It's not like unless you live in a cave in some distant part of the fucking world and you're like, I would never kill. You'll be very rare if you're able to pull off a manslaughter. But that's kind of the point of Batman is that it's an interesting rule to choose when there's so many ways it can happen. And that's where it gets really interesting, is to have one of those situations occur and see how he deals with it as a character. Instead of being like, nah, it can't happen. Like, uh, okay. Watching, um, that part I did. I will, I think season two of the TV show where he's having to deal with that is some of the most interesting stuff in the whole show as far as I'm concerned. I mean, you're taking a, you're taking a prescriptive, um, attribute of him as a comic book character and comic books and scenarios that are of, that are completely arbitrary and by design. What would he do if he was taken out of those scenarios? Now, what would the character do if he wasn't in stories where he never did those things? And yeah, and I've really got to like, like I've been very unimpressed with a lot of the community's response to the concept of hypotheticals. Like, I've been surprised. It has been kind of depressing. So like, if Batman punches people really hard, a lot to the point where they usually go unconscious. And so when I say hypothetically, he killed someone by doing that, and then someone else says, are you forced that to happen? I'd be like, um, It's literally everything that happens in fiction is you forcing something to happen. Yeah. So I feel like the point is being missed at that juncture. Yeah. You're gonna have to do better. Like you, you invented a scenario where a thing happened. That's stupid. It's like, that's what a hypothetical is. Already, yeah, that's, that's what creating content is. That's what making stories is. So you take like, this is what I find so interesting about exploring characters. You're like, someone as evil and awful as Darth Vader. What could possibly turn him into a good guy? Like, I don't know if you've seen like, also I just ran out of time. Damn. No, he would never be, I can't believe you would want to force him to be in some kind of scenario, some convoluted, totally arbitrary contrived scenario where he has to choose between, I don't know, his long lost son and himself and his boss master and himself. Yeah. I don't know. That seems pretty contrived. That's a dumb hypothetical. Super contrived. Because as much as the trolley problem, people like this ridiculous, what would that ever happen? It's like, why isn't the Joker's whole thing trying to prove that Batman's a hypocrite or that Batman's position is untenable? He wants to show that the world is corrupt and cause chaos and that humans are all, you know, depending on what Joker iteration we're talking about anyway, because a lot of them have different motivations. But I would say that it's very likely a Joker type villain would be like, lol, we're going to set up this ridiculous scenario with Batman, because Batman's been knocked out by Joker before, or at least I've seen it and that happens in Batman, a couple of the Batman movies actually. And since the comics are so thorough, I have to imagine he's been knocked out by Joker at least once in the comics, you know? And what I'm suggesting is that once he's knocked out, you get to put him in that situation, it's not going to be too difficult. Wow, Dark Knight, he kills Harvey Dent. He kills Razzle Cool and the fucking Batman begins at the trade. Like, if people were- I mean, this whole, he literally does this in the films, man. The one that everyone says is like the greatest comic book movie of all time, so. Yeah, just to clarify, whether or not you agree he chose to kill Harvey Dent isn't the problem, he killed Harvey Dent. And again, not a condemnation, not a condemnation, okay. Yeah, that's just, we're just describing what's happening. Yeah. And what happened? I certainly don't blame him. I mean, I would have done it. Yeah, but he killed him. It's okay, but that's what he did. That's Nolan Batman, not the comic. Yeah, but everyone, nobody, I was- But it's not the comic, but it's not like the comic. It's happened in the comics, though. Memor Pository showed me he killed Dockside to prevent him from destroying the multivase, so. But not that comic. When I talk about the comics, I don't- Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know which- No, no, no, not that comic. I don't know which comic or which series that's from, but he did do it. Oh my gosh, Himala, remember earlier when I said the comics are so different and wide and varied and they've been going for so long that there's basically every scenario in comics that would- You remember what I was saying? That then someone brought it up and I was right. That's crazy. It's like I can see the future. It's like this isn't my first day of this. He didn't just kill Dockside, he killed him by shooting him. Yeah, he absolutely killed him with intent. Yeah. I like how back to back you've got about Docknight, it's a flaw with the film and Batman will kill if he has to. It seems like this is to be debated. Seems like people are not convinced about whether or not Batman can or can't kill. Well, he clearly can if he has to. No, right, they're not ready for that. They're just not ready for that. Because Batman isn't like some sort of a moral villain. No, that's the problem. People assume that it taints you if you're a killer. That was just like, uh- It's like, no. You can kill for really good reasons. Yeah. You would be like a moral monstrosity if your rule was about not killing was so strict you refused to do it regardless of context. That would make you like a horrible person. It's like a pacifist who wouldn't kill someone who was about to slaughter their child, you know? Like that's a horrible, terrible person. Yeah, well, because I believe this whole conversation got started because I said that Batman doesn't kill as a statement is silly. Yeah, he does and multiple iterations of his character that he doesn't murder. Um, but I know that most people will eventually at least concede that of course, yes, he will kill, but there's like certain requirements and context and the more so than most heroes in general. And I'd be like, that's that's mostly fine with me. I mostly find it. Yeah, it doesn't, this doesn't ruin his character to say that in a certain circumstance he will kill if he feels he has to. Yeah. That doesn't make him a bad character. It would be it would be negative on his character if he didn't regardless of context. Well, yeah, see what he does with Harvey Dent in the dark night is like, thank fuck he did that because Harvey Dent was about to kill a kid. The thing and these these these big moments are what tests these characters and no kill rules are always whenever a character establishes they have a no kill rule of any kind, you know that's going to be tested. Yeah, that's it's just I don't know why you wouldn't test that as a writer. I hate that roots. It's just so. Well, I mean, I think it's silly anyway, because there's no way out of all the people he has very drastically punched in the fucking skull that he wouldn't have killed anyone. Like it's like you must have. And if you haven't killed them, you've at least put someone in a vegetative state. And I wonder what his his morals are on that. He's like, yeah, that's fine. I mean, the body's breathing, even if their brain dead, they're I'll be there. I mean, sure, they've just turned him into a flesh robot on idle. But yeah. So one said, yeah, he's insane. That's his character. Good job, rags. What? I mean, he's insane. Batman. Batman's not insane. What? A lot of people usually conclude that he's got some kind of mental illness from from what he does. But I mean, in the portrayal in the Nolan movies, he's not I wouldn't call him mentally ill at all. Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, I wouldn't call him insane, certainly insane kind of implies an extreme mental illness that would ruin your ability to function normally. And like it's like this possible. There's like an iteration of him that's much more clearly mentally ill as a Batman. I'd be like, yeah, maybe, but not the Nolan movie ones. I mean, if you can find an example of Batman in a comic or a movie whose no kill rule is taken to such an extreme and radical degree that he will allow much, much, much worse things to happen in terms of body counts specifically because he refuses to kill regardless of context, I would be interested what the reception and the discussions are surrounding that Batman. Yeah, because I have a feeling people would be displeased with that. I feel like Daredevil's no kill rules actually more static than Batman's is from my experience anyway, because it's tied to his religion, which you'd think would be much more of a thing to stop him from breaching it while Batman's is more tied to he doesn't want to become a villain himself, which is obviously it's more complicated than simply ending a life for why you become a villain. But that's that's something you very interestingly explore. Which is part of my disappointment with The Dark Knight, I think they could have gone somewhere with him having done that in the sequel, but they skipped what is it like seven years. And I don't believe he addresses it really, even though they do establish he has the kill rule. So yeah, I'm not sure about that. I just I don't remember seeing any discussions about The Dark Knight breaching the kill rule. Yeah, I remember it being a universally praised movie, the best comic book movie ever. I mean, people were just nuts about this film. They still are. Someone said, if the comics don't matter, then why do the film portrayals matter more? What's the difference? Is it simply because Rags and Muller don't read or care about comics? I'm confused. One was more important than the other. I never recall saying comics don't matter. I mean, they I mean, they matter in the sense of we can find clear and obvious examples that contradict this supposed rule of Batman. And I mean, if anything, us not having read them seems to be at our detriment because we're often not necessarily lied to but things get omitted. And we're the victim of that because we haven't read them ourselves. But there's lots of people in the discord every once in a while just at me with like, by the way, this happens in the comic. And I'll be like, oh, that seems pretty blatant. And they're like, yeah, people don't tend to talk about this. It's like, oh, I think Fringy has said multiple times that like comics, there's a lot of shit comics. Yeah, naturally. I mean, all sorts of shit, everything. Yeah, he said it annoys him how some people can act like comics are the best thing ever and they're not flawed at all. And they're amazing. I don't mean to put words into his mouth. However, that does. I think that I think I'm recalling correctly things he's mentioned. Batman kill in the Dark Knight Returns, Fringy. He didn't kill the Joker in that story. The Joker killed himself. I don't remember if Fringy said something contrary to that and that if he did, he'd be able to defend that or not. I'm afraid I lack the context. And oh my, Star Wars girl, you're making my pants tight. Oh my. A hero who refuses to kill and always tries to find a third option to the point of it inadvertently causing deaths of others is an all right character flaw, albeit somewhat Mary Sewish. I mean, I think it's possible. I'd just be curious to push that character to its limits, like we mentioned in, I think it was the last stream, but the scenario with the conveyor belt of people getting squished, like would they forever look for a third option? Or would they eventually push the button? I wonder. Oh, I'm at the end of Lisa's levels. Oh my God. Jay, here's a quote for you. Sometimes some people just need to be shot. The warrior monk, James N. Mattis. Warrior monk. James Mattis. The Trump's first security or Secretary of Defense, I think. Any doctor would take the one over the many, but some would take it much sooner than others. Six, nine and 12 would do it in heartbeat. Two, four, five and 10 would seek alternatives until the last minute. In which case they would. That's the part I'm interested in that last minute. Fuck's sake. Okay, I made it. Normally in Doctor Who, the doctor with have the choice made for them by a side character. The doctor themselves doesn't normally make that decision. Again, that's a. I wonder what he would do if he didn't have one of his side characters there with him. You know, maybe there's surely. Surely he just happened. Now you're just contriving it ranks. Come on. I wonder what more would think of Maul's character after seeing him more in the clone wars and maybe rebels if you want to go that far. I imagine I'd like him more. Well, I know. Yeah, I hear good things. I mean, he's pretty thin in Phantom Menace. Yeah, basically nothing there. Bad man, bad. Your hero is on the train filled with people heading to two tracks and two different groups of people. Which two do you save? Fill with people heading to two tracks with two different groups of people. So if all I knew was that it was three people on one track and three people on the other. And that's it. I don't even know like anything about them beyond that. I can barely even see them. I would assume there's just there's no relevance of a choice for me there. I could move the lever or not. But since it's the same either way, I'm just like, well, I might honestly, I might let it go or might hit it. And it would be a very arbitrary reason. Like I don't know. I just I just felt like that might have been the thing to do. I really had no idea if it would have a better or worse result. Yeah. I mean, if we're using that scenario, then I have I have no reason to think that anyone would be any choice would be better than the other. Yeah. And it feels like I would have to do more of an explanation if I did pull the lever. Yeah, actually, that's probably a good point. If I just didn't pull anything, I'd be like, yeah, because they told me the three people died no matter what. So I don't see why I would pull the lever as opposed to just leaving everything as is. Because there would be a reason, rational or otherwise, why I would instead of allowing things to play out to change the course of events, because that would displease me in some way. Yeah. For some reason, I was convinced that altering the track would be better than leaving it as it would just happen. And I feel like I'd have to explain that. And I don't think I'd be able to give a rational reason why. Anna, who is right? Jay or Mola? Jay is correct. Kick Mola in rags. Well, if you want to, you know, kicking is entirely up to the audience as we've seen. He kills Two-Face to save Gordon's son in Dark Knight. This is a good example for Mola. Well, he does it in Batman Begins, too. It's weird to me. I don't understand why people treat this like it's just a sacred cow of not happening. Like you can't have this happen. Sacred cow of not happening. Give this money to Jay. Mola has moved two goals, moved to goals. Move the goals, I assume is what they're talking about. I would be curious what those were. Mola the Trigun anime does that with the hero forcing them to choose. Yeah, it makes for... Yeah, it probably happens in a lot of stuff. Stressful choices for people of action can make for quite interesting drama. Jay's supporters in infiltrated chat don't save us. If your two choices are kill one person or kill another through in action, a character's unwillingness to kill is moot because there's no choice. There's a choice. There's clearly a choice. Even in the scenario where they said it's 3v3. Someone can ask me, well, someone could be like, well, at no point in talking to Mola because he didn't, he was just like, he may as well have been a box in the room. He didn't make any choices. I'd be like, oh no, I mean, I did. Then they go, wait, what do you mean? And even if... And I'd be like, so my options were to let three people die or to pull the lever and let three people die essentially cause the death of either three or three. And so I decided that since I can't really get any differences between the groups that I would just as rationale, it's just like, oh, I guess I'll leave it. The less I do in this scenario, I feel like the less it has to do with me. And if I know that I can't make any difference. I was just pointing out that something would have convinced you to make the decision to change the course of events. Even if it from a pure body count perspective would be the same, there would be something going on in your head that could be explored that you might have to deal with in some way. Yeah. Well, for example, I think a more interesting question is this four on one side and three on the other. And so you're like, okay, I'm gonna guess I kill the three. And then you find out that it was three young people versus four like 90 year olds. And you're like, wow. And they're like, why did you do that? You're like, well, all I knew was basic numbers. That's why I made that choice. I'm sorry. That was the reality. But yeah, I would have chose differently if I'd known that. And you can always change that up in terms of they're not being a choice. It's like, what do you think the lever is there for? Yeah, levers and buttons are some of those quintessential representations of choices. Yeah, I don't if you don't get that, then we have to get super basic for your simple mind. I'm sorry. But the whole point here is that there is a choice. Do you pull the lever or don't you? That's the choice you're making. You're always making a choice. Well, yeah, the argument is that that is the choice, but the choice to kill is not involved because you kill either way. Yeah. Which I think is yours. You're killing one way or another is why did you choose what rationale did you use to choose whatever path you chose to do whatever you did? Because remember continuing to stand there and do nothing is still a choice. You're still deciding to do that. You're you're deciding to continue doing what you were doing before at the expense of other options. There's so many stories and media that argues that what makes us human is our ability to choose. Like to have a rationale, to have a conscience and to weigh things up. So yeah, I don't know. It's obviously it's an interesting topic because it's been discussed indefinitely and on a stream that wasn't even about it at all. So how about that? To be fair, on the middle thing, everyone is talking over each other and not understanding. I'll admit I was I was just thrown completely by the concepts. And I have since had more productive conversations about it with Jay, just just reestablishing definitions at the ground level instead of just being like, wow, you're so wrong. And you know, he's conceded that anyone can kill. But whenever someone says Batman doesn't kill, they're mostly referring to intent. And I'm like, yeah, so they need to change that then. Because that's not what kill means. To kill someone doesn't mean you weren't necessarily intended to kill them because that's why that gets wiped out immediately. And then simultaneously Batman would never intend to kill. I don't know about that. So I'm on a chance saying, why is it always just doing nothing is the only other choice rags? Are you just not imaginative? Remember the really simple people I said we had to dump this down for? Here's one. All right. So the point of the analogy, the whole point of the hypothetical is to remove as many variables as possible. Right? And so I got by the trolley. Yeah, it's a hypothetical that removes things of that nature. It's either do you do this or do you do that? And doing nothing is not the only you could pull the lever. You could not pull the lever. It's trying the whole point is to distill this down into an extremely basic concept, devoid of stuff that complicates it essentially. And then you could add those if you want. Absolutely. To complicate the question, to get people to examine why they do the things they do, you want to isolate variables to find out what is the thing that pushes something over the edge in terms of making a choice? Boring story to execute. How is it a boring story? You could do a handstand if you wanted to. No, I will just Batman getting knocked out and then he wakes up to the sound of train tracks and then you just hear Joker over into calm like, Hello, Bats. It looks that you have been placed in a situation that's going to require you to really, you know, consider your foundational character elements is better right than this. But so Batman would be like, oh fuck, and then, you know, he explains the situation and then he says, you have 60 seconds. Goodbye, Bats. And that could thematically mean goodbye to what he considers his no-kill rule because there's nothing else he can do. And for that 60 seconds, the audience is like, holy shit, what's he going to do? What's he going to do? What's he going to do? And then he does the thing and then the next, you know, portion of the entertainment is dealing with that thing. Just because it's simple, doesn't mean that like it's not meaningful. I don't know how else to explain this. Yeah, absolutely. And if you want to, you can, you know, imagine yourself on the scenario and then as when one does, you can add different variables. Like what if it's one person who's or like, let's see, three murderers versus two innocent, upstanding citizens? What if it's, you know, 10 extremely old people or five newborns? You know, you play with it. In the scenario to see what it, you know, why do you, it's, it's like a, it's like a, I really like, would you rather questions? Because it makes you think of why would I pick one over the other? Yeah. It, it gets you to think about why you do the things you do. Here's an example. If Rags is like, hey, Mola, why don't you like Simpson, sit and run? And I go, I go on for a while about the driving mechanics. I just talk about the driving mechanics for ages. I just don't work the terrible blah, blah, blah. And then, and then Rags had asked me, so if the driving mechanics were fixed, you'd like the game? And the point of that question, that hypothetical is to explore if there are other problems. And I could respond, Rags, that is not the fucking case, is it? And then Rags would be like, yeah. That's kind of my point. I'm trying to explore if there's anything else. Like, that's just, as far as I'm concerned, that's a really bad faith way to engage with the hypothetical as the whole fucking point. So I was like, like, I've legitimately seen people say that would never happen to a hypothetical, which is just the peak. Like, when someone says fucking, what would you do if, you know, scenario that seems impossible happens? And then someone's like, yeah, but that seems impossible. Like, hit and run could never re-release with the driving mechanics fixed. It's like, well, technically. Batman could never be at the trolley situation. It's like, well, why not? Literally just write it so that he is. It's all stories really are. And so, yeah, the whole point is to try and figure out what exactly the core issue is and what the truth of it all is. Because there's a thing. I'm not particularly invested in Batman. I don't know about you, Rags. And he's cool. He's cool. I like him. I don't really care. I like a lot of the stuff he's in. But when someone says like, he would never kill, I'm like, not only I think there are several examples, but I also don't. I don't think so. Yeah. And if someone said, ah, but you think Luke would never, you know, harm his family members. So now you're a hypocrite. I'd be like, ooh, are we going to get into hot take territory here? But I think he would, depending on what scenario you set up. Yeah. If you pushed him hard enough, if he had to weigh options, like would he kill Leia to save all of the students in his temple? I mean, this is the thing. Uh, explore. That's why it's important to write well so that these scenarios can be explored. Because if you all of a sudden have Luke trying to kill his best friend's son in his sleep because he had a bad dream, you are going to have to work for that and work hard. Yeah. I would, um, I would actually pause it that you might need a trilogy to, uh, to get Luke to a point where he actually murders a family member. But I could believe it. It really depends on how you, how you set up everything to happen. Yeah. Or it's probably going to be tied to the facts. The beginning and have the others based around how he deals with that. And yeah. And it could very well be a trolley problem type situation where, uh, you know, a Kylo Ren type character is about to murder Leia and Luke can stop it. Which, by the way, is why he was pushed to attack Vader in Return of the Jedi. Think for yourselves for a moment, fellas. He's, he's like, 100% pro Vader, pro family. How do you get him to attack, uh, Vader? You get it so that he attacks the Emperor and Vader defends him. So he's just essentially both in self-defense at that point. And then he stops and he's like, I will not fight you. How do you get Vader to get Luke to attack him? You threaten his sister? Yep. Like, we've seen this. It's, it's, it's, uh... This is Star Wars Episode 6. You've seen it, right? And if someone said like, yeah, but he never killed Vader, it'd be like, right. So if Vader's death meant saving Leia, what happens then? Yeah. I don't know. Because he almost did. Luke almost did. But he stopped before he did. Because he was wailing on Vader. So is it a huge step? Like... And so it's almost like, damn you, you're just like, ride Johnson. I'd be like, yeah, but I wouldn't justify it with a fucking three-second flashback, okay? It's not happening. How we get to where we are is extremely important. Instead of just saying, oh yeah, Luke. You know, like, bad dream, killed his, you know, best friend, son, whatever. And it's like, yeah, but he saw a dream of Kylo killing people he loved. It's like, that's... Oh, Jesus. Could have been so much better. Um... Kickmola, kick rags, hi, Jay. Damn. No, kick... you. Yeah. Uh, Jay wins. The DR would BS his way out. The DR? The DR? The doctor? Oh, the doctor would BS his way out. Well, guys, I've really got to stress the point of a hypothetical, okay? They don't get to BS their way out. It's like, comes with the rules. Like, what if they couldn't? You know, like, yeah, but the CAD's like, but they literally, okay. You think that's how it works? You just get to do other things. You could just say, oh no, I just do something else. Like, no, not this, not this scenario. No. Like, why didn't Batman BS his way out in Dark Knight? Why didn't he throw an electrode onto, onto, uh, Harvey? That would make him go, whoa, whoa, whoa, and fall over. And then he ties him up and he's like, to prison with you, Naughtyman. And then the day is saved. Like, why didn't that happen? Right, because the plot did not allow that to happen. That it was written that way, so. Well, reinforcements would arrive just in the nick of time. Harvey's gun would jam. Yeah. Like the gun that jammed earlier in the film. Yeah, so it would, it would, something would happen. Doesn't always work out that way. Um, Anna, you need to convince smaller and rags to watch the Clone Wars, your only hope. Maybe one day. Maybe, I just don't really have any interest in the show, honestly. Not at the moment. Not at the moment. Molly, you're not understanding that we understand what you're saying. We just think it's really dumb. I don't believe you. I'll happily settle for that. If it's just, there's no other way to explain it. So just like, if you think it's dumb, that's fine. You're a well-kill. If Moola moved the goalpost enough. If you're talking about carving a hypothetical to eliminate other options as moving the goalpost. Again, I feel like a lot of people just have little experience with the concept of hypothetical. I think there's certainly people who have little experience with hypotheticals. Because saying, if your defense to a hypothetical is that would never even, that would never happen. Like. Oh, so if this was the point the whole time, no writer would ever place Batman in these situations. I'd be like, oh, I don't care. The hypothetical is that they will. Yeah. First off, you are going to have to provide me with a lot of evidence that no writer would ever do that. Especially in a post the last Jedi world, especially. That's what I was going to say. It's like, what will happen, right, is that some writer will eventually do it and then they'll just declare that writer to have failed the character. It's like, when I think we'd all agree that you can't actually assassinate a character by changing the plot. Like as in things are moving around. As long as you're not surgically removing parts of the character's brain and putting different parts in without us having any knowledge of it, it's like having them in situations can't possibly be associated with assassinating them. Unless of course they put themselves in the situation through something that would have required them to have been assassinated. For example, the middle of his killing spree Batman deals with something specific. It's like, how did he start a killing spree? I'd be like, yeah, okay, that's see, that's fairer. But our systems don't require that. We just require a villain to be particularly villainous one day. That's it. Someone said, if a hero is in a lever scenario and he chose to spend his time beating on the door or wall and doing everything in his power to try to get out of the room to save everyone, you can't say he chose. We have, you literally describe what he chose to do. You even said and he chose to spend his time beating on the door, etc. You can't say that he'd literally chose to do something and wrap it all, wrap it up with, you can't say he chose. Yeah, I don't know. He can't, you can't, oh, it's, oh sorry. My bad. He, there's a, in a, in a later chat, he adds on to it. That was just an unfortunate cutoff. He says, you can't say he chose to kill through inactivity. He chose by not, he chose to not pull the lever, which is still killing. He chose to do something, knowing what the potential consequences would be. Yeah, the knowledge of it is super important. Yeah. Oh god, this goes into a free will discussion. Oh yeah, this is some fundamentalisms. I think people aren't used to being unable to change said hypothetical, as most people are very much more lenient than you are. What do you mean? When do you deal with hypotheticals that you're allowed to change? I didn't know that was a thing. I thought the whole point was to an effective route. That doesn't mean he willingly chose to kill. If he chose to do something that was ineffective, then he took the gamble. I was going to say, do you really want to make that claim? Yeah. He can't know that the door is magically unbreakable. What? Normal doors are unbreakable. If you don't have tools, like what? What if he's in an iron cage and he doesn't have any tools? Like it's so easy to make a scenario. This is not moving the goalpost, by the way. All we have to do is change the hypothetical so that Batman knows there's no other choice. That's all we have to do, according to you. And you should know well enough that that's something that can happen. That Batman can know there's no other choice. This is what happens in the dark night. I don't understand. Why is this so hard for people? I'm sorry. Batman can kill. I would have thought you'd rather- Those writers will rely on a day of sex mocking in such a situation. Yeah, that could potentially be really lame. The hypothetical does not allow for a day of sex mocking. He would reject that possibility. Batman breaks doors every day. Okay, holy fuck. I know, I know. If you kill Batman, I'm gonna pop a blood vessel, Mahler. I swear my little doggy body can't handle this. Like you are creating a hypothetical scenario that is different from the one that we are talking about. From the get go you've diverged from the whole point of the conversation we're trying to have. Like if someone gives you a hypothetical scenario, your counter can't be your own separate hypothetical scenario that changes the point of the first scenario. But what if he can tell- This is why I couldn't be a teacher. Because I would get too upset at people being dumb. Sorry, I don't mean- Don't take it personally. I just- It's legitimately frustrating to listen to this. But what if he could slip the ropes? Because he's got oily hands. Well, what if someone saved them? Well, what if this- Well, what if that is like, okay, you can make your own hypothetical and then present us with that. But right now, the whole thing is that we created a hypothetical scenario to explore the character. You just coming up with your own hypothetical isn't helpful or really even relevant? If anything, it gets in the way of the question being asked. Yes, sir. Rags and Muller are objectively right. That's ad-ironically the next super chat. It's like, well. So rags, would you say- rags would pull the lever or not if you say- That's an odd way to phrase it. I would say I not rag. Would you say- So rags, would you say- rags would pull the lever or not if- Guys, I'll finish this teaching. Please, grammar. Please, grammar. Punctuation, please. It changes the meanings of sentences when you don't use these things. So rags, would you say- rags would pull the lever or not if- I'm trying to make sense of the sentence. So rags, all of this punctuation I'm putting in vocally. So rags, would you say- rags would pull the lever or not. If you say he wouldn't, I'd say he did technically kill those people. But if you were to say he would pull the lever, I disagree. Oh, so is he suggesting then that if you were to let the scenario play out and the one person dies instead of the five that you've killed them. However, if you did pull the lever and the one person dies, you did not kill them. Because it was the right choice. I would say in both scenarios rags is killed. Yeah, I've killed them either way. That doesn't mean I'm morally culpable in some negative aspect for it. It's not murder. Well, it's not a- it's not a quote-unquote bad kill. This is the thing. If you're dealing with the mother of the one versus the five and she's obviously crying and she's like, you know, I assume that she'd be a rational human being and understand why rags pulled the lever without even asking him, but she might ask. I'm like, why did you do it? And rags can explain very rationally why he made that choice. And that if she wants to condemn him for it, which is a possibility, then so be it. But I'm sure rags's conscience wouldn't be worse for it because he knows why he did it. Someone said, wasn't the situation in Dark Knight kind of contrived? What? Everything is contrived in stories if you're going to go for the logic of whatever happens. Like, isn't it contrived that we saw Batman out of the joke of battling and stuff? It's like, we can't do it this way. Does it make sense that Harvey had captured those people and wanted Batman to show up because he was trying to make a point about everything that's been going on? It's like, of course, what about that doesn't make sense? If you're going to go with- that's what Shad said about protagonists having plot armor. It's another version of that. It's like, technically, everything is contrived if you want to put that that way. Again, Batman waking up in the trolley problem, like if someone said that's contrived, I'd be like, why wouldn't the Joker want to do that? The whole point is that I don't think Batman would pull the lever. Okay. So that's a discussion worth having. Yeah. Right? To say, I don't think Batman would pull the lever. Excellent. That is an excellent starter for a discussion on what would- what do you think Batman would do in a scenario? Because having this be- having discussions about the scenarios contrived or the hypothetical could never happen. These are non-points that deviate from the whole- the reason the discussion is even taking place. They're irrelevant. That is- that is the question to ask. And that's the discussion to be had. Someone's saying, I think Batman would pull the lever. Yeah, because I actually do, by the way. From what I understand of Batman, I think would pull the lever. I do think he would too. Because Explore- it's been as old as time. Belch. Sorry. In stories, trying to find out where does some- where's the line that people- you know, what would people be willing to do to get what they want? What would people be willing to sacrifice? What would the breaking point of someone's morals be or their principles be? Tale as old as time, song as old as rhyme, right? Those are interesting. And they'll continue to remain interesting, probably into perpetuity, because they're based on individual character in question. The scenario can remain the same, but the player is involved. Really shake it up. Gents and Lady, can we have a good dunking on Cosmo's video? Oh, I think we did. I think- I think we, yeah. Oh, we dunked on it. We dunked on it so hard, I got wet. The moments have a verse for this. First Nephi 413. It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief. I'm not familiar with the text, but I assume it relates to the one versus the many, I suppose. There comes a time to kill, to do so is just. That's the thing. People seem- Well, I was good to say, rags, I don't know about you. Seems right now people are split, but when we first brought this up, people were not split. On the trolley thing? Yeah, it seemed to me that people were like exclusively on Jay's team, even though he was wrong, or at least wrong from my perspective. Really weird. But I don't know, seems a little bit more equalized right now. I mean, is this an issue of, is there confusion over what the points are? I think part of it is that when you say a character kills someone that people assume it was intentional, which by the way, that could be the question. But to establish quickly, foundationally, that anyone can kill is something that all of us should be able to do, but some people are stuck on that already because they're like, nah, you would never kill someone on purpose. And you're like, wait, I didn't, that's okay. We need to set some grandisms apparently. And the one that's a big old stick lifer people, right? Because this is how the conversation progresses. Batman can accidentally kill someone, punch in the face, aneurysm, whatever, right? He caused death via the usual things Batman sort of does. Manslaughter committed, Batman has killed. So videos with the title Batman cannot kill or Batman does not kill just refuted. But then if the video was like, oh, so the spirit of my point wasn't that he can't commit Manslaughter. Like, yeah, he can do that. What I'm talking about is Batman would never choose to kill. And so we bring up the Charlie problem. And the counter is that that's not a choice. So that doesn't count because people die either way. And the situation was set up by the Joker, meaning that no matter what, the Joker is responsible therefore it can't be Batman who's responsible for the kill. And therefore the choice can't be about killing. Like this is the rationale. So it's like, okay, because I don't even agree with that, but let's just change it so that the Joker isn't responsible anymore and it's Batman. It's like, how do you make Batman responsible for the trolley situation? Because that already sounds like character assassination which is the problem a lot of people take with it. They're like, okay, Batman builds a Batmobile. There's a fault in the engineering. He's driving down Gotham and he realizes through his computer it's like we're about to go critical nuclear even whatever the engine's got Tism problems and it's going to blow. And if you let it blow, it's going to blow up the whole city block. It's going to take out loads of people because it's a particularly busy day. However, if you self-destruct it will kill you and the the vicinity of people are around you at the time and he's got like five seconds to make this choice. And you'll kill like 10 versus the block or 50 versus the block. So now I've made it Batman's fault and Batman's choice. So now that hypothetical can really figure out exactly what people define as like culpability, responsibility, choice, all these different things. And if someone said more that's way too contrived I would once again really want to talk to you about what a hypothetical means. And yeah, rant over I guess. That's what do you think Rex? Oh, I agree. I think Batman would choose to self-destruct killing that selection of people because it would mean less and he would be very fucking sad about it. And so would we. And if someone said that story sounds boring have you like okay. Letting people die is totes okay as long as you don't get your hands dirty. EFAP chat 2020 brought to you by a bunch of cowards. Oh man let me know who I'm telling you man some people some people might actually think that way. Yeah. So that was another scenario that I brought up with Jay right. If Jay didn't hit the lever because he didn't want to be responsible for killing anyone and all of my family with the with the collection on one side while it was one dude on the other I would fucking condemn the shit out of him. If he was like Molly you can't condemn me. I didn't even make a choice. I feel like you mother you serious right now. Always always a choice. Always a choice. Whether you like it or not. Always a choice. Some choices are difficult. Some choices you don't ask to make. But there you are. There's always a choice. How you make your choices and why you make them is a very very important part of who you are as a person. And I don't think it's some kind of binary like so I chose to aim a gun someone and shoot them and rags engaged in the trolley problem. Both me and him have killed now. We're both killed. I'd be like okay there's a fucking big distinction between what I did and what he did. And we all know that like this is not the point. The point is just that there is actually a very important choice being made and that people like Batman would commit to a choice and if he went for an action then he goes for an action. And so I'm saying I'm sure Batman would kill. I just want some reflection of the character like trying to find a third option first. I mean I agree. Sure. I absolutely think he would look for a third. I would look for a third option. Yeah I think all of us would and there also comes the whole like like like is the joke a fucking with me? Is this real? Is this happening? What if what if if I don't do anything nobody dies and that he's tricking me right now and that if I pull it everyone dies that sort of thing. Yeah. There's lots of things to consider and I would want it written very carefully as well. Remember in Batwoman they had a trolley problem? Oh my god. That would it's fascinating. They made the trolley problem in its most like distilled form. They couldn't really have done anything different that would make you think anything but the trolley problem and they barely explore what is interesting about the trolley problem in the episode. Oh yeah that's the thing. I mean there's no I think that was a huge lost offer. I thought that's why they had it in the first place was to explore some aspect of character but they didn't. I would have set up that there's this killer that's doing the trolley problem thing earlier in the other episodes and then this episode opens with Jacob being the victim and we spend the whole episode with him exploring the fact that he's about to kill himself to save all those people. Yeah and he's alone for this. Yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't him. It would actually be potentially pretty good. Having him deal with that but fucking never mind. No there's no no remorse and statness no conflict. So disappointing. It was insanely. They show that he's pretty much resigned to kill himself. He's like almost okay with it but everybody's in the room with him like figuring out like oh yeah we just need a bit more time to clear the bubble and it's like there was no it was a never worry that this was actually a choice. It was always going to be that we'll clear the room so you kill nobody. You're like okay. Yeah I I always thought it was really really odd that Jacob would be putting that scenario with like a cell phone and everything to contact people that people could find this person. They did in his office. Yeah like obviously people are going to know you're there and that's going to impact his decision making. But him alone that's the people are most I my my old Latin teacher. McGeest he said character is what you do and no one's watching. Oh yeah and that's what so say for example Jacob was on his own for the whole episode and it ends there's a few minutes left for the episode he pulls it knowing let's just say pulling the button fucking blows himself up to save all those people and he's like sweating and crazy he does it and nothing happens and it turns out it was a trick by the villain. If someone was like that's a cop out I'd be like no we've just gotten our answer he would absolutely have killed himself. Like it's very meaningful whether or not people actually blow depending on what scenario and how you write it it's like it's important we're exploring the very limits of these people and what they would do. Obviously referencing Jacob isn't the greatest thing ever because he's not a very well-formed character but I would take that over most of what they give us in Batwoman ever pretty much. Oh no not the police. Braggs have you noticed the police just just ruin you know Grand Theft Auto. The band? There's a band called Grand Theft Auto. I don't know a police. There's probably to be fair there probably is a band called the Grand Theft Auto. Yeah that's actually probably definite. Yeah that seems like a reasonable. Yeah why would why would the police the band ruin anything? Come on play songs. I don't know maybe they're full of assholes. I don't say and they are but they could be. I think I just trapped him in a tree. That's cool with me. Oh he's the other movie guy. Dab you. Okay I did it. Grand Auto Theft. Um kick everyone besides Anna and Fringy. I'll have you know Fringy agrees like categorically with Braggs and I. How come that's a good thing that's a good point chat if that's the point you're trying to make. Why is it called Grand Theft Auto instead of Grand Auto Theft? Probably a reason for that. I don't know what it is. I mean yeah I'm sure there is I just I'm interested what it would be you know. No no no talk to grandpa before the police kept me. Oh no no no Jesus Christ. Fucking hell the police just just I feel like they have performed hit and run. In my humble limited citizenry style opinion. The Joker has tried to put Batman in the position of Kill X or Kill Y. It's a legitimate question and scenario. Kick J. Hi rags. Hello. I agree Super Chatter. You guys are saying that inaction definitely means that the hero is responsible? No. J might not be right but you Dumbo's definitely aren't. So I'm saying it's like Grand Theft colon auto which makes sense. That makes sense to me. Grand Theft of the automobile category. Context always depends on the kind of inaction. So for example rags is wrestling a gun out of someone's hands and I'm like I'm gonna help him instead of standing here and I managed to you know subdue the evil villain and we get the gun off him. Versus someone's aiming the gun at rags' head and they're about to fire I could jump in the way of that bullet and possibly kill myself. But if someone was looking on that situation I doubt they would say I'm responsible for rags' death if I didn't. So it's not as there's important differences here. However if you know seven billion eight billion nine billion whatever human lives were placed on the track and you definitively told the courts that you let the levers not be pulled because you didn't want to get involved. You don't like killing so you'd rather not get involved. I don't think that's gonna fly. People would have sympathy that you were put into that scenario. However that would only get you so far. Yeah people if they saw you confidently explained that you're not gonna get involved you don't want to be taking any kind of responsibility they would be like you had to pull a lever like yeah I don't want to kill one guy. Look at that one guy over there he's smiling at me he's a good man. So if there are any super evil diabolical criminals out there who want to set up this scenario so we can get a precedent in the court I ain't saying you should do it but Surely this something like this must have happened at some point in some variation because it's happened in Yeah someone's actually done it you know It's probably some vague example it must have happened whether or not it's known slash been reported I imagine there's some psychopaths in this world that have set something like that but we're not going Simpson's house okay we'll do it in a second There's probably I bet if we looked on YouTube or something there's someone talking about because surely lawyers would be given this problem for like legal reasons like how a scenario like this would play down legally or most likely obviously juries would be involved so you can't say for certain but you could make guesses and you could offer reasons as to why a court would probably go one way or the other yeah jury of your peers not be very impressed with you I'd imagine well you could get a jury of exclusively people who have also been forced into the trolley problem but I don't think on average the average human would choose not to pull that lever I don't think so yeah I think the average person would just it just come down to I can save one person or I can save five it just seems cut and dry that's why that in and of itself I think is really easy it's when you start to see how numbers and personal stuff affect the scenario that's where we get interesting very interesting perhaps I talked to grandpa first fine fine fine I thought I had to go to my house first the great hergode they are highlighting the floor of absolute pacifism inaction leads to more harm I mean yeah I would say there's plenty of harm that can come from absolute pacifism oh absolutely I would say that an absolute pacifist is a moral coward I would say that they're despicable in a way and for anybody who's going to get triggered by that remember morality is pretty damn subjective and that we're all going to be taking different positions all the time on different things whether or not it's right to kill in all different kinds of scenarios there's no like definitive answer there's just one that we're all going to commonly probably agree on objective morality is pretty fucking hard to argue for IMO yeah I would say you know like if a father or if a parent refused to defend their children against a murderer because they believe in pacifism I think that's a disgusting human being yeah we all we all have different reactions to different choices everyone makes that's how all this works and I would be very upset as I jokingly explained about my nephew's getting torn in half by a a train I would be very upset with Jay as I think most people would however if I had a video recording of the actual train cart where he's pulling the lever and he literally went into shock and he couldn't pull it I would have a hard time holding a responsible outside of a fucking wish that you didn't go into shock and you're able to pull the goddamn lever but I know there are plenty of people out there who through the the choice of having to to cause death one way or the other would actually tense up and lose their shit tell me Bart's it's a Bart's room and you're sometimes get confused and you think you have to go in the front door because in the normal Simpsons house you can access Bart's room from the front door living room upstairs you know but no not in this world plot hole Goku uses instant transmission after selecting who to die and moves either the train off the track or the victim to safety or you just wish the victims back to life wow oh well there you go how to do it if you let's even if okay so if you have the power to bring people back to life then are you still charged with murder that's an interesting one like if you're a you're a your power is necromancy or whatever who can snap your fingers cast a spell bring people back to life and you use that as a factor in you know saving something or whatever like you know that because a person dying isn't permanent and you could reverse it you allow a much lesser thing to happen as a result that doesn't involve death you know how would that affect it it's that that could be interesting necromancy is turning them to zombies over not necessarily yeah I don't know about that I'd have to look into it I don't know if there's a I imagine you'd still be charged with you'd still be charged with murder I think necromancy is control over the dead right isn't that like the yeah it's like it's blood magic it's you know control of dead things generally bringing things back from the dead is considered necromancy neat yeah um yeah someone in chat saying um let's see what if you steal things and return them later is it still theft yeah like that's that's what I yeah hey like I agree I still think if you kill someone even if you could bring them back you'd still be charged with murder and that's what that's the interesting part if you say okay but I knew I would be able to reverse this which typically isn't reversible and I did it so that in the end it works out yeah if you could make the argument that you needed to kill them and then bring them back in order for a better outcome overall to happen you'd probably be in some kind of relative clearness compared to not depends I think and uh maybe we'll get there someday guys maybe we'll get there I'm fighting necromancers in SESO right now well I'll do you one better I'm currently playing as my necromancer in goblers too whoa whoa both Jay and chat are hurting my brain anyone who wouldn't kill under any circumstance whatsoever has to be a tarred high rags hello and I agree save us from this tism well you know I think a lot of good discussions come out of it so there we are that's a that's a pro a plus if you will um a hero that refuses to kill at a principle of moral compunction has a more interesting storyhawk ahead of them than someone who kills for expediency kills for expediency yeah I'd agree with that yeah that guy's killed her own men always so upsetting I don't like it um have been drinking and am just about to watch episode nine for the very first time on my parents disney plus we'll check in later hi fringy and anna all right hope you enjoy episode nine um it is what it is my dude hello mohler rags fringy anna youtube actually recommended you in my sub box first time in a month wow kick jay well yeah I mean take it we it's a it's a big gamble these days as to whether or not efab is notifying people but uh that's where we're at that's how it works but I'm glad you got notified if the choice is either to kill or to kill you can't say that they have chosen to kill yes I can and I will mm-hmm hi jay sorry other peeps wow at least they said hi to jay that's friendly it's okay to let people die because my principles see okay I didn't realize that the super chats were very torn on this too rags not everyone has your morals many people honestly believe that as long as you are not actively causing death not actively causing death what about inactively causing death if the point of this super chat is to tell me that some people in the world don't agree with me I think I gathered that on my own I appreciate it but carry on though the end with saying I don't agree but I don't see how you're this shocked I I'm not shocked that some people would do it I think most people wouldn't in the scenario of like I guess it depends what scenario we're talking about for this super chat because if it's the trolley thing I still think most people would pull the lever I think the on average people would choose to save five instead of choosing to save one all other things being equal because the point of the you know trolley thing is to isolate variables and how we you know make moral choices stuff of that nature I think most people would make the the right choice to be frank I know that not everyone would and I think that the people who don't see it that way I think they're morally in the wrong I can understand why they make decisions but I can still recognize that they found out and this is all recognizing that not everybody has the same moral systems and that is well I was going to say that is okay even though that is the peak of what we would define as not okay because what we define as moral is okay so but uh I guess what I'm saying is it's acceptable that uh everyone has different morals makes sense even if it is disappointing sometimes so I said you don't have to be an activist to be moral rags you massive that's the great mistake of SJWism um what what's wrong with being an activist being an activist like if they're referring to the the the idea like the fact that you have to someone who wants to create change through like activism I'm fine with that it's more specific it's the specifics that'll probably get to me and the kind of activism that they're uh you know gunning for the idea that anyone who isn't an activist is immoral because they buy an action letting bad things happen I feel like oh there's loads to talk about there in terms of variables yeah um I still think that when it comes to inaction for and again I keep having to say this but the trolley problem gets rid of these variables yeah especially when it comes to relative inaction like not like pulling the lever in and of itself it could be pressing a button it could be blinking three times it could be anything yeah breathing onto a pad yeah it's through such a low amount of affirmative effort that it's basically non-existent that's what it does like if you had to run across the entire world barefooted through hot sand to save someone would you do it well now you're adding in all of these different factors into the equation whereas in the trolley problem it's as simple as just pulling a lever so it removes the the stress of a physical action we could have it so it's a a room with two big squares that are really close to each other like you know they're a meter across and you're standing on one to begin with and it's lit up if you stand on the other one it'll light up and that'll act as your choice of lever you could with the idea being take a step to the left and you've now made a completely different choice that has huge marifications just just we're trying to limit the amount of things you even have to do and the amount of connections between your action and the results because yes running cross a lot of hot burning sand is is is hard it's rough it's coarse gets everywhere yeah it it takes a lot of time it is it involves extreme physical discomfort potential you know potential leading to disability on your part yeah there's a lethality involved depending on the context yeah absolutely so this will influence your decision and that adds a variable that can you know that doesn't really get to the heart of potentially the question this one just says kick trolley fair enough now they would not be convicted given the context I don't necessarily care if law would do it anymore like a lot of people are picking on the fact that I described it as manslaughter and I'd be like that's not necessarily a legal contention I have like in principle I would agree yeah lotter but if I understand I'm supposedly culpable for it right yeah this is the thing law is usually derived from morals anyway so if we're gonna I say usually like what I mean is you know it can get all skewed and there's lots of reasons why a law can arise but a lot of them are based on what we understand to be moral and immoral hence the existence of manslaughter because we're like hey there are times where you can unintentionally kill someone and we think punishment should be you know delivered because it can be extreme recklessness or something that's just downright it's bad choice that you made of of inaction and that's kind of where I'm running with it and if someone was like that's not how it's defined I'd be like oh I mean I don't really care I'm more it's much more of a moral judgment whether or not law lines up with me is not I don't think any of us really care if a law lines up with this you're different because there's plenty of laws we all disagree with I'm assuming you're yeah absolutely like if yeah absolutely I mean you could always the easy one is like slavery used to be legal if I was to appeal a real example to a law it's probably a native saying that I'm a jury of their peers would likely go in the direction that I would is probably what I'm trying to appeal to Jack St and Patricia Taksin are brain damaged robots who are an embarrassment to the human race I tried listening to their videos but it just hurts oh well all right I imagine it hurts if it was movie bob and the train was gonna hit one million republicans and the alternative was a single democrat there's no way in hell he'd throw the switch yeah true he's advocated for the extinction of republicans so we know that's the answer in fact he if someone was like you could save the democrat by not by killing the republicans also would he be like I don't care if it saves a democrat I'm killing them anyway which is yeah yeah it's really fucked up that democrat isn't sacrifice I'm willing to make yeah I like the idea that they present it as you'll save the democrat if you kill the million republicans and he's like I have to kill the democrat to kill the republicans all right like wait no bob no that's not I wonder would bob self-destruct to kill a million republicans maybe that would be the see if I was writing a diabeto comic that's something of a scenario a try and generate like he's come up with a way to be able to kill all of them but something goes wrong in that the only way for his machine to you know take place he has to kill himself for some reason it would take a while to write it but we could get something someone said rags you can't tell me I am immoral for refusing to kill one person to save five persons in the rant in a random scenario you can't force me to take random innocent life but it's not on my hands unless I misread so depends on what you mean by blood on your hands generally that reply that refers to some kind of moral culpability however I when we talk about you immorally overall as a person I wouldn't know that but I would still confidently and very firmly assert that your decision in that scenario was an immoral one yeah I would too yeah if you didn't pull the lever if you chose to save one person when you could have just as easily saved five people I would absolutely say that you have committed an extremely immoral action and this is the thing no no cheating now guys you can't be like what if the five people were all kids and the one you know that they were all super old horrible criminals and the one person was a kid I'd be like no no no no no the scenario is all we know is it's 5v1 yeah that's the that again that's the thing removing all the variables when it's just 1v5 and then and then if it was revealed that oh the five people are actually five Hitler clones and then they scurry off to do terrible things and the one good person was actually your sweet grandmother you couldn't have possibly known so nobody would blame you for making that decision yeah if you had made the opposite decision you couldn't use the defense of you know the post-hoc rationalization of oh see they turned out to be Hitler clones as a defense because that's obviously knowledge you didn't have at the time to make your decision why choose when you can kill them all good night well as the as the meme we saw Jay will will turn the train so that it is on both tracks and you just wipe out all six nailed it Braggs would you say one dog or five cats one dog not not even close easy is this the beginning of Jay's Anakin Skywalker arc oh my goodness wait does that end the way I think it does oh my god from my perspective I'm not killing anyone oh I imagine Obi-Wan called him out for that that could have been really good when he when he says from my point of view the Jedi are evil and he's like you killed children you're like oh they would have grown up to be Jedi they were young Hitler I had to get them while they were young man Obi-Wan really should have pulled that card you know man it's almost like the prequels have a really bad writing and lots of missed opportunities a lot of missed opportunities yeah who to thunk consider that the hero would try something different until the deaths occur resulting in failure yep that would be the hero's choice yep born on halloween parents divorced on xmas fuck you rags you're wrong also hi rags hello the second most controversial debate I think the real question is how do you tie someone down onto a train track that's embedded into the ground oh well we can just knock them out yeah we use Joker gas on them or sleeping gas we use contrived gas that's fine that one time remember how they brought in screen gas for that one thing and nothing else ever I do remember that in battle you thought they were going somewhere with that nope yeah because here in mouse as far as we're aware now like totally teamed up it's so weird so fringy how does it feel to know that the UK has more lax laws on airsoft guns than your country does wow the airsoft guns jeez I'll keep that for him just north of New York City and it's snowing right now what the fuck oh well my mama's great grandpa was cavalrymen in west soldiers threatened to hang Indians if they didn't return captives from raids non-sanctioned by government I can believe it I can believe it wouldn't the bad guy that forced the people into that situation be the one who killed them that they would be at most fault they would yes they would be the one who's responsible for it they would be the one who'd go to jail they'd be the one who you know is the most morally reprehensive sorry reprehensible but that doesn't mean that the person making the lever choice isn't responsible in some way however the link far apart from one another the way I try and get this across people is the the person pulling that lever decides which of the two results happens so it's on them whether or not these people can live or not like that's huge that's that's that's really important and uh the fact that they weren't the ones who set up the scenario doesn't mean that's not something they have the power to do still right and then the other hypothetical we can generate where it's Batman's fault sort of gets rid of that anyway because uh I think people use that as an ejector they're like ma ha it's the Joker's fault bye bye bye don't have to don't have to address this anymore it's like only one person could be at fault for any given thing haha why is this game getting harder that's I didn't sign up for this are you getting drunker are you drink laging I'm not even drink laging uh hey where are we pandas or bears look it up yeah uh uh yeah I feel like I phased out of that pandas or bears yes red pandas or not I think red pandas are closely related to raccoons I think I'm not sure wasn't that supposed to be a prequel debate no nope nope it's a morality debate clearly uh philosophical question where is the line between killing them and failing to save them why would you draw a line between those two things why can't they uh that they could coexist because you can you know in attempting to save someone you could accidentally kill them in which case you have definitely failed to save them that that uh qualification is God killed us very broad yeah if they pulled the lever and did nothing to try and save the one person that's when they killed them did nothing to try and save them yeah like I would say that for instance if you tied somebody up in the woods with the bomb and didn't tell anyone where they were and they you know and the timer was set to you know 24 hours and it blows up you wouldn't kill that person if you went out to look for them and couldn't find them all right I'm trying to escape the limo I see that you're having to close your doors I can't when the car gets all broked you can't nah if I pick up a big ol' spanner then I'm mostly okay nice car would you let nine guilty people go free to save one innocent innocent person from execution you don't know who the innocent person is among the killers so that's uh yes that's a good old question about capital punishment is it worth it to execute well to punish x amount of very very guilty people at the risk of letting innocent people be punished and I'm pretty fundamental on that I fucking hate the idea that someone gets killed in capital punishment for something they didn't do yeah that's Blackstone's ratio the 10 guilty persons escaped in one innocent person you know suffer in prison essentially yeah yeah I'd let nine guilty people go free to save one innocent life absolutely Jay should be tied to one set of tracks to give even the most morally enslaved hero a clear choice with more hi everyone remaining except j never j oh my god the man's got to have principles god this aluminum isn't angry trans people are wait this is you're not allowed to say trans in superchance because the way they spell it is t.r.a quote n slash s wow really I assume you're allowed to say trans I don't see why they will prevent you he also said they're mentally sick so maybe combining those can get you in trouble I don't know oh I didn't get busted if you pull the lever you kill five men if you do nothing you kill five women if you push the button the train does a sick grind on both tracks yeah I don't I wouldn't see much of it should like like much to to really delineate between there so that's an interesting one there's a well before it scrolls away rags wouldn't the guilty people cause more harm than the one innocent person who would die I have no idea how you would reach that conclusion you're saying I just I just it's just as guilty people it doesn't say that they're five mass murdering teleporting super stealth psycho ninja assassins it was just five guilty people they could be in there for a marijuana charge or tax evasion or something like that and either way I think the issue comes down to I don't want to live underneath a justice system that is okay with innocent people being imprisoned um where Blackstone's ratio gets really interesting is it's like the trolley problem it's it's kind of the same idea when you start adding the variables of oh these five people are extremely deadly murderous rampaging gang members they've killed before they've been arrested and they've escaped and killed again that's where it gets really like like that where you test the pragmatism versus the principle like yeah in principle you don't want an innocent person to be punished for a crime they didn't commit and then there's a pragmatic aspect of if you let these guys on the streets again people will die so that's where the weird stuff comes in that's where it gets weird yeah and that's morality for you too because if it was the tracks were one thirty year old versus one thirty year old and you're like well and then you go okay one thirty one twenty nine and your brain is like uh hmm do i do i think that's enough of a you know difference that i would pick and you're like what about twenty eight twenty seven twenty six ten and you're like ooh the younger it goes the more likely people are to save the younger man just because more likely more years of life and um there someone brought up the men and women thing so let's imagine that same scenario uh where the train is gonna get gonna hit five men if you pull the lever it swerves and hits five women so that in and of itself if someone said i didn't pull the lever because the quote unquote the choice of the man of the men being the default who would die wasn't my own however if you pull the lever then you have made the choice that it is now the women who have to die because something in you was not satisfied and has judged that it is a better alternative that the five women die than the men that is where we get into the interesting juicy bits because if they said it didn't matter who died so i you know i threw the lever who'd be like it didn't matter so you committed to pulling the lever okay yeah for me i wouldn't pull the lever i would feel as if somebody else made the choice i chose not and i would choose not to pull the lever leave the scenario as it is because a part of me would also know i would then have to explain myself yeah of course because uh that is ultimately design choice today it's just that the information you had was so limited that uh you know the choice was uh barely meaningful whatsoever it was like oh it's you know five lives versus five lives so i said just let fate decide he's like that's not really no you when you when you let fate this that's that's different so when you let fate decide that's like rolling a dice this would be a choice that some other like this is a choice that another person made another agent made the decision that the default was these five men die and that i would be the person who had the opportunity to change that to have five women die and then that would become my choice um in a more affirmative way rags are you so egalitarian that you disregard women and children first on sinking ships um i wouldn't disregard children like we already brought the the age argument pretty much uh yeah someone says so fate is gambling to a degree when people say we'll let fate decide they kind of are yeah they kind of do mean gambling in a way um if we if we if we use a very general and broad usage of gambling um for instance if there are six alternatives so you roll a six-sided die to determine which one you do that's letting that's quote unquote letting fate decide because our fate isn't real so sorry christians but fate doesn't it's not a thing so you are it that's like a that's a euphemism we use or an idiom or whatever i guess euphemism that we use to to basically put something to chance so in a sense yes but in a sense no and uh yeah as for what uh if we had like a series of light boats uh lifeboats would i let children go out before men and women i'd be like yes but i let women go out before men i'd be like ooh so if there was some girl being like there's only one slot left it's me or you i'd probably be like especially if there were a similar age to be i'd be like yeah you could go i would feel very good uh about taking the slot however if it was two slots left and um well actually just one slot left but i was i was for some reason they said i could choose and it was a guy or a girl i wouldn't feel comfortable saying one life is worth more than the other yeah i don't think uh i don't think a woman's life is worth more than a man you know i'm a humanitarian in that sense as for whether or not i or a random woman is going to spot on that lifeboat man i'm fighting for that lifeboat spot like i i'm not gonna yeah i there are definitely scenarios where i see myself sacrificing myself for someone else that ain't one of them i i i value my life too much yeah everyone's different on that and i don't think they can be definitively judged as good or evil for whether or not they consider themselves uh yeah with saving here's the thing i i don't consider it a an unvirtuous thing to fight to get in the lifeboat i do consider it a virtuous thing to let the other person go you know to sacrifice yourself to let the other person go away i don't think in that sense it's a pure dichotomy of you know virtue and unvirtuous because things can be morally things can be amoral and i think that i i i mean your life is still a life and i i i don't see myself in that scenario with all of the other things being removed that i would let some random woman live at the expense of my own life i just don't think i'd do that i just i'd fight for my life too much and too much of a fighter i guess it would be one that i'd be interested in seeing myself get tested on but i wouldn't actually want that scenario to take place you know what i mean i'd be interested to see what i would decide same with the trolley problem by the way um obviously we can say what we believe is the right thing to do but who knows what we might do in the situation when it finally comes down to it until uh until you are tested that's what the um the interesting thing about the the Vsauce experiment because he does the trolley problem with a bunch of people and some of them just freeze they can't make the decision because their brains like shuts down so much responsibility you know having people's lives in your hands uh i think that like i mean for instance the um like would i sacrifice myself to cure all the diseases in the world i mean i'm pretty confident that i would um you know stuff of that nature it's when it gets down to the more finer details that it starts to get messy because for most people and reasonably so if they give up their life that is you know everyone's life has more value to them i'd say almost intrinsically because it's their own um that gets the ultimate thing it's i suppose you're aware of what good you are to the world right versus the assumption of what other people are to the world how would you know if it would work well if here's the thing that see that adds another variable to it um yeah his premise was that he wouldn't try it yeah like if i was let's just if i was convinced of it then that all i i wouldn't have to know what i just have to be you know convinced of it if i was convinced of it then i probably would to get me to that point would obviously require some kind of incredible display but if i was convinced that yes if i if they needed my life juice or something to power a magic serum that would be sprayed into the atmosphere that would duh duh duh and they said but but we have to do it right now or else it'll never work again and it's one time thing that i i probably would i think that would be something where i'd be like you know what i'm losing everything but i feel like i could i i just i think it'd be worth it i don't think a lot of people would too um yeah i think so too we have uh plenty of examples of people doing similar-ish things right like sacrificing particular organs or uh bone marrow this sacrifices people make uh yeah those are there's a very those are very virtuous and heroic deeds done by people and they're worthy of our praise and admiration absolutely jay's having a good day enjoy you massive will do chewie is his own best friend hashtag spaceballs reference that chewie's gotta be his own best friend no one else gives a shit about him he's gonna say who else is left uh anna tell the guys about the lady in the star wars e you that can destroy a planet from light years away with the force oh my oh fuck that yeah i don't know about that oh and could grievous kill ren i don't know could grievous kill kylo i guess uh kylo ren yes i don't know like kylo's got a lot of plot benefits and i feel like if okay yeah if if we have the meta plot aspect of it also his force power is pretty high yeah but so is obi ones but he didn't really use it me too swords sword skill outmatch grievous dramatically he did kind of use it well if you gave me four lightsabers obviously i could only use i could only use well it doesn't matter if you gave me an infinite supply of lightsabers or the force i would take the force because i feel like the force just beats lightsabers because you have telekinesis and shit which force chokam obi one does use right he throws him away cool so it's so weird to me grievous is in a position where he has all of his lightsabers all of his arms and all of his men surrounding obi one and then and then he's like okay i'll take you on i'm pretty confident and then he loses two lightsabers two arms his whole army starts getting attacked by an enemy army and obi one has lost nothing and that's when he says you must realize you're doomed it's like uh i don't know grievous the odds seem to be tilting just just fyi really rags not killing is morally weak guess all those infantrymen scared from war and wishing or scarred from war and wishing they hadn't killed just weak that is an extremely dishonest comparison and you have unironically disappointed me by comparing those two scenarios and you should be ashamed of yourself yeah i would say that the comparison there is a pretty absurd um calling a man simp affects women because it shames men from giving them money um sorry say that one more time we had that discussion before about how is it that like the reference to simp can hurt women more than it would obviously hurt the men getting the label it's not to say like it can't hurt women can't be offensive because the the implication is like your audience members are just simps it's like oh i'm offended but um okay so what do you think is more offensive being called a simp or being told your audience is filled with simps if someone told me my audience was full of simps then that's insulting someone else in order to insult me and i uh i feel like being called the simp is more insulting yeah like i don't know if i was if someone said you're a liar mohler or your audience are full of liars i'd be like okay that's just a weird generalization the second one which is probably not even proven well the first one i'd be like well hey what have i lied about what are you talking about um and i also feel as if when it comes to like both imps and simps when it comes to i was having eldritch girls flashbacks um when it comes to simps and incels i feel like first and foremost like the victims are those individuals um i'm not saying they're the only ones necessarily but yeah i would definitely say that um like especially when it comes to being a simp i feel like someone is not making a a good choice i feel like they they're being misled or manipulated i'm not saying they can wash their hands of everything but i would absolutely say that they're the person who's most negatively affected is them you know with the money that they've lost and the kind of person that it takes to do that i mean obviously yeah obviously there's a lot of other factors that go into it and i'm and i know i'm speaking rather generally but i feel i i feel sorry for simps right to a degree i legitimately do i feel like something along the lines something has failed in their lives or they are thinking in a kind of in a poor way so i don't know i guess that's how i feel about it i i haven't given it too much thought that's just sort of how i feel about it um i know short front of talk who made a really good video on like something and stuff like that i think he's made a couple but they're very good i would highly suggest people go take it no take a look at it um this guy in another video says unironically bj blaskowitz is a surprisingly good person despite his meathead looks okay uh i like yeah i like him i like him as a character i think uh the second game the new clausus tried some interesting things with him i think it was the execution that was weird not necessarily what they were going for his inner monologue and trying to live up to other people um interesting ideas that i'd be fine with him exploring however not i don't think it was well executed uh cosmonaut thinks humor is objective did you see his lost jedi review is either that video or his review of all the other movies where he said that really i would be super interested to know if that's the case i would be i'm very interested in his reasoning feel like it's going to be disappointing i feel like it will be but interesting nonetheless because you ain't gonna tell me that the last jedi ain't interesting true uh the scenario of a superhero chained down with a gun in his hand aimed at a bad guy was explored between daredevil and punisher in season two episode three of daredevil among several choices daredevil fought against the restraints until he got loose barely too late and the punisher killed the guy daredevil blamed himself plot uses as an example of the hero's limits and a conflict in their ideology the idea that heroes won't kill is a big idea in the comics batman is among them agree with the idea or not jay is describing a concept that comics routinely explore yeah that's something that i would be surprised that they wouldn't do when you establish a character to have a particular principle it's not going to be long before you challenge the shit out of it and i think part of you know what makes a good hero a good hero i mean i mean just not hero just a good person is recognizing your limitations in nine days two of the five videos you posted in the last year where april fool's jokes take my pity money and place it in the rags hind whole this channel is dead um i don't know if you know how numbers work two of the five videos you posted the last year where april fool's jokes why is i'm good that's not even fair because those videos were not easy to make like the idea that they're just a fool's jokes written off there's nothing that critical they're saying about anything at any point like if you don't you can't watch the the parody video of um thinking identity without very easily understanding a lot of the points i'm trying to make in there i would say anyway it's it's the reverse way of making them um so what i would say the point of satire is i'm i'm being very critical while also imitating in a um caricature like way either way um the last video i brought was two hours long that's uh takes a while to make that one and then it also took a really long time to make the one i'm making right now which is gonna come out eventually like if channel being dead means i'm not making videos then uh i got news for you big old chunky news chunky i've even uh tweeted out some of the i tweet out the um the finn supercut i've not tweeted out the other supercut yet although when he showed me that's yeah poor finn right rags has seen the other supercut how do you guys feel about that the rags has got vip access to clips mm vip access i was i was telling moller when he showed me the finn clip he's like yeah and you watch that uh you watch that uh supercut and you all of a sudden start to really really see why john boyeg is a little salty about his uh character and how he was treated in the sequel trilogy and how whenever and then the coolest thing that he does in the last Jedi finally confronting phasma was cut ooh i'd be salty do you mean in like a verbal sense because obviously he does kill it technically yeah but it's just so uh it's lame you know yeah the cut is so much better i mean it's something the idea that he's like you're the one who took the shields down you're a fucking coward it's like some bit of character was so just taken away from him see that could have been something that they actually worked in as well you have a scene where phasma is like you know blah blah blah xyz and then she's brought into a room with hux and whoever else and they're like the one thing we can't figure out about star killer base is who who lowered the shields you know anything about this and like just to set up to the audience that she's actually lied to them even though seems to me it'd be pretty impossible not to have that information like whoever lowered the shields would of course have to have some kind of security pass you know in fact they're going to shoot me shoot your blaster proof armor yeah that that on top of um i don't believe for a second that a place as big and important as star killer base can have all of its shield lowered by some person in some control room arbitrarily right like it would need to it would be a big thing it would need like multiple uh approvals and keys and settings like there's no fucking way you can just flip a switch in a control room i that's the thing about them you had like a real life nuke nukes and the launching system would take multiple keys so it would take multiple people to do it like it wasn't a one-man thing one man couldn't just decide i'm gonna launch a nuke today because real people actually aren't stupid when they're designing stuff like this for the most part that's what i've always thought there's a combo thing with phasma blamed a random guy that is again more interesting than what we got why do we never get any good stuff it's always in the fucking it's always shit isn't it what movies can you guys barely laugh with wait what movies can make you guys barely laugh with its comedy unironically not like the room uh so thore ragnarok had me pretty much at that yeah thore ragnarok was really good hotfuzz is probably one of the standard ones to go to is uh insanely good the modi python films pretty potent those are good um it's it's it's kind of hard to say because i kind of i can have like a good old chuckle slash guffaw whenever i want really i think it can happen in lots of stuff you know the the non-ironic ones happens in a lot of movies a lot of tv shows as well no but uh ones where they're like high frequency probably just the ones i i mentioned i'd have to look at a list or some things it's gonna be plenty i'm forgetting um r2d2 exports data sludge with the door open love you all i don't believe that for a second i think r2 would uh have the door closed i am a r2 was a classy robot uh one hour 54 message to future me did you wash bathroom floor launder worksheets vacuum carpet and do some fitness or spend the entire day watching efab also rags that means we're two hours into the stream two hours in and no notification sent glad i decided to check to see if you were alive today hmm let's see that's how it goes uh jay calls to my tros superchats to be read out of order jay has tampered with the natural course of history erase jay fix the timelines we praise jay praise jay my god efab minis are getting long ghost room the thesis of star war a sequel trilogy was that the ot sucked um kind of like that it's like let's do it a little better or let's let's make it more new odds till you just sit there like uh-huh uh oi telly tubby's is more complex than star wars yeah i'd agree with that a lot more complex themes discussions on what it means to learn what it means to grow what it means to have friendship in the hardest of times some memes from just today are pretty good oh i have to collect all them up for the mean fat let me here um there's one that one's not in the efab memes don't worry folks i'll i'll i'll put that in our rotation uh oh then again if i just show it now maybe uh we'll make more sense um how do i do this you get rid of you yeah there we go there is the mean that's a good meme so thank you to um namans who made that thank you pretty sure that's dead level season three as well if i'm not mistaken yeah i don't recognize and i do not know what it's from okay so i don't know if i don't know if this is real i assume it is but this seems to be the promo pic but that i like so bad i don't know if it's real it could be because it's the cw and they have no self-awareness i mean that looks awful oh it looks terrible oh wait this was a cat one this is not stargill sorry about this it's a look at even the gloves have the useless claws on them oh dear oh my goodness wow that looks that looks horrible bad that's um i don't know what to say oh man oh i don't know if jack it y'all jack can oh wow that is that is bad it gets worse as you zoom out because as you zoom out it looks more and more like she's cross-eyed upwards well cw is uh is an interesting beast to say the least oh the cw oh man never i i would never change um dasani water is the worst in the universe all right then now this is efab's water gate the room is factually a bad movie because tommy was so originally intended for it to be a serious drama but failed oh god this is tax and saint logic oh right so that we started the video coverage now like that's the point oh yay we did it uh i feel empty watching cosmos videos yeah i can that's fair you can see that finally i just want chat to know i've completed a collection in guild wars 2 i've achieved an ascended weapon it just it brings me joy that i that i finally have acquired um guide for the lost it's finally i need everyone to know this what i thought yeah that was very neat anyway carry on the lowest grossing transformers film was the only good one oh oh yeah he made an argument for money made right oh yeah we went through how he was like the sequels made loads of money it's like the fucking prequels made loads of money like what are you saying yeah this doesn't mean anything this is so what if you transformers is the go-to argument for every time the last stars movie before tfa was the clone wars movie all right it's a movie about space wizards don't take it it so seriously re oh so will i make it five four three two yes that's how good i am at simpson sit-and-run bring you make more videos you massive are there like pot holes or yeah it's like this is like the really bad part of town where the road is shit oh man of course that's where the dmv is good old patty and salma work here as well the freaky make more videos you massive is your fucking great i'm sure you depreciate that i's fucking great i can write no walking back in right i guess i'm going to snake hi rag house rag hey i'm i'm doing pretty good and even at the time of that i was doing pretty good i for us frustrating as it was i'm uh i was really uh really enjoying it it was it was a good e-fab i think that was a really good e-fab many things were discovered including ourselves i'm super behind live and sending this but i need to say simping only exists because prostitution is legal i mean simping is is like trying to avoid that label isn't it yeah it it's not prostitution in that sense only in the most i mean so i mean but by that definition like being an actor is prostitution so i wouldn't quite put those together um i mean when it comes the biggest victim of simping is the simp that's the thing those poor bastards rag's what class are you playing and why are you wrong if it isn't mesmer i actually don't have a mesmer character i'm playing as a necromancer that's my so far of all class the classes that i have played uh i really enjoy necromancer how it plays out i like the specializations and how differently they play out um and it's been good building up gear sets for both uh builds both scourge and reaper and i don't know which one i like better they're both quite good a lot of options oh did that huh this armored car is this uh it's giving me a frustration i'll say that armored car so can you can your vehicle like explode from damage mm-hmm as you can see i'm already damaging it quite a bit with uh trying to attack this dude i'll be careful about that we're already smoking the way with this mission like you'll they know this when they made this mission the idea is to try and grab spanners during the fight if you will there's no time limit um oh spanners will we'll film right up you have to beat the shit out of their car but your car also takes damage so you pick up the repair stuff yeah at this point i kind of have to wait until i can find one before carrying all the way like bonk myself so is it one of those like gta where if your car catches on fire that's like the point of no return uh the smoke goes black and then you explode like you can survive on black smoke forever but if you get hit again then you're done oh that's the sudden death mode yeah well scary and shit um thanks for the many weeks worth of content mate keep me entertained while working from home i only have one question dark souls one or bloodborne uh i'm a sucker for dark souls one i had a really good experience first time playing it and it's um downright got nostalgic benefits for me at this point even though it wasn't that long ago that i first played it uh really do like bloodborne but dark souls one is mother ebi um something freaky said about how much the hyperspace ram ruins made me think that the ship might as well have just hit the camera too and end the suffering yeah if they just cut to credits they were like you know guys we fucked it up beyond belief at this point just go home like okay cosmonauts voice is super irritating well uh i mean you can you can kind of it you can kind of sort of get over it eventually right okay eventually you'll forget mm-hmm well the problem with shooting at the supremacy is that the radice or whatever it was called was an unarmed ship because the resistance is useless your resistance is fucking useless they're all useless everyone's useless fuck they suck incredibly frustrating just how incompetent everyone is hi mola hello hi rags hello good to see you fringy how's it going ana that is all only getting love you jay uh work's been really tough these last few weeks but if i was giving me something to look forward to stay safe my ewoks will do and i'm glad that uh you're enjoying it uh target is written by james lucino who wrote plagus but he's taking him out of context to be asset oh about the the tarkin quote it's a weird point anyway he's like stop using third party to say that it's bad also third party supports it you're like wait what isn't hyperspace another dimension uh depending on the person whoever's definition you're using i guess that's yeah like it does seem to be like that's that's what's happening and uh it's not that you're traveling really fast it's that you're traveling in a different way yeah like different a different layer or whatever it is just uploaded my review of them's fighting herds it's uh it feels great after waking up so long i feel like i did evolve as a critic excellent i think i know who sent that did you evolved everyone knows that no one likes digimon okay man i what are they're still going is it still like a thing hello mollron rags hello can you guys bring on possum reviews for a stream sometime in the future uh it's possible yeah good happen possible very good i want more rags to sing them why they sign up to sing guy love from scrubs romance i don't know i don't know what that is i've seen scrubs too so apparently my scrubs knowledge is lacking um and i please recommend a good star wars book or other piece for a newbie i'm aware of some basics but not much also high ragaziz is hello you know a lot of people recommend the talking books right like a talking truth no no talking uh thron that's the one i'm a said spawn mr throard uh mr thron everyone chat included say exodia obliterate with a much more raw sexual energy as possible um so exodia obliterate but sexual also yeah ex exodia obliterate but sexual yes and anna did recommend the uh the thron trilogy and the duality okay oh my so exodia obliterate that sounds vaguely sexual i would say prior long lines of exodia obliterate actually i don't know that's an odd thing to say some words just don't work sexy like obliterate not sexy i'll say that yeah exodia obliterate might be the best you're gonna get for that one and it says uh no rhino milk for those who don't participate high rags hello uh in empire strikes back it showed is d2 tanking asteroids i'm assuming uh the star destroyers i a real star destroyer taking asteroids yeah like the shields uh we're tanking them i think that's right i mean i could believe shields but those things aren't coming at people at you know hyperspace hyperspace speed well i mean i'm being honestly man like i would have gone with that before i would have gone with what they did like i would say the shields protect you from hyperspace and that's why people don't fucking do it like i we have to yeah invent something to prevent them from that's the thing that a lot of sequel fans don't seem to get they're like hey it's perfectly reasonable that this could do this kind of damage it's like it's not about what it could do or couldn't do reasonably thinkably it's about the fact that no one else has fucking done it in the entire history of star wars didn't think that's a problem can't just have your characters suddenly do something that's incredibly useful that no one else has ever done that's just oof yeah and so you have to respect everyone else's where can be like all right it's just not a possibility but if you wanted to make it a possibility you're gonna have to set up a rule set that counts for all the hypothetical set up a hypothetical what that could never happen sad thing is hyperspace ram could be cool if uh they said holder made it possible and then showed how it changed space travel and combat i don't want to have someone invent it it needs to just be a crazy scenario that allows a lot of different variables to take place and that we've managed to just get out of our way to having that sort of thing i get told all the time when i bring up the dreadnought appears to have no shields that the reference books say it does have shields so apparently the dreadnought had their shields off well that fits in with the battle strategy of pretty much every army in this series which is that they're all run by retards every time across more than just star wars too the only way the kamikaze could be fixed is if they kept hyperspace is another dimension they would be a sweet spot you'd have to hit again putting a lot more effort into this you could probably make it feasible a lot more you have to hit too far and you slip into hyperspace and missing your target too close and you're likely to get blown up yeah create some stakes limits etc hyperspace was an alternate dimension that could only be reached by traveling at or faster than the speed of light the counter to a holder maneuver is a ray shield oh get it ray shield um anna who do you pick obi one anakin or dooku and there's nothing more specific than just who do you pick could be who you pick to die could be who you pick to uh i don't know team up with date it could be could be any the real consequences for the holder maneuver should have been the millions of tons of debris she sent across the universe at light speed like a goddamn cosmic shotgun hashtag holder killed the dinosaurs cosmic shotgun i quite like that cosmic shotgun but yeah she probably did a severe amount of collateral was probably delivered in tfa the falcon bypassed the shields on the star killer base by traveling through the warp space and exiting inside the atmosphere screw side screw outsize the sources episode seven and eight directly contradict each other yeah pretty much because it's portrayed as though it's like a bullet with the holder while with hans logic in episode seven it means you would port inside the supremacy right and so go off like a grenade in the middle of it if anything so yeah they do definitely contradict um hyperspace skip lets you try to hit things continuously who does it now cosmo what are you saying i think i think we're definitely into his video at this point i think so unless he showed up and i missed it isn't funny how in that stream we had like a two hour intro and then the recent e-fap we had our cover just finished in two hours you just never know i love having anna on e-fap but i always feel bad because these stupid videos seem to make it physically ill she'll survive it's a price man what an absolutely rusty melon all hail the time stamp guy also also high rags anna fringian mohler hello hey uh talking about christmas movies star wars is in my christmas movies all six of them can't beat it does star wars count as christmas movies they were released around christmas at least many of them some of them what about his um is easily the worst logical fallacy fucking pulled out all the time oh yeah and this other thing we're not discussing i'm not murdering this person very well and we're disappointed uh this has nothing to do with anything but i felt like sharing this thought private eye richard handhawk and his sidekick dingling dong get it richard handhawk dick handhawk you don't sound impressed rags no that's great cosmonaut thinks that star wars should be simple yeah uh he did suggest that in the was it the prequel video i can't remember i think it was either way i disagree i don't yeah the whole should be fucking star wars can be simple can be complicated why does it have to be either all right i muted him um i have a friend who says that he likes the holdo maneuver in tlj because it pisses off people like you ill the toxic brood um i mean it's like i take pleasure at other people's anger you're like all right if that's the reason you want story choices done so that's one way to do it i just i have reasons that go beyond whether or not someone reacts negatively to it though i can understand that being pretty uh entertaining for those people yo anna who would win candorus ordo or mando from the tv show i feel like if you ever ask who would win out of mando in somebody maybe mando well the plot of mando that his insane plot armor is indestructibility would come in save the day hi rags hello it's been three hours i finished a bottle of rum and hate everyone except the guests i hope susan takes more than 50 percent of this hi rags you sick dog hi there i'm not sick maybe he means sick like awesome like radical what a sick dog yeah and anna believes candorus would win i don't know if it's just me because i'm catching it live but i think this may well be the best efab zipping about to point out his hypocrisy just great oh yeah that intro is uh really helps construct um what is wrong with his channel very very quickly um the timestamps are very useful i don't know if i can listen to this dilapidated peach any longer another date with moola awaits oh my no notification but glad i caught the stream corona times are tough for these interlocutal streams helps star wars has gone anime dumb however anime can be cute and cool if only star wars was cute and cool yes ma'am good old kangen kodos it's no good all right uh hanz landa is a racist character and also racist all right before rey a british accent in star wars implied the character had an imperial lineage and i guess it still does even after rey i guess there would be a lot of imperial lineages left yeah and people say it like she got a british accent from palpatine which is still funny to me yeah because accents are genetic it's a british accents are genetic so cosmo it's a part of uh diabeto's rebutant revolution what's his power maybe like black canaries cry because vocal fry good very well the um yeah are you do you think about works for us to go to five hours and then probably stop there fine with me because um i was gonna say we've still got quite a decent chunk left so i think we're just gonna have to call it a part one part two sort of situation oh we might have to we can do that one later in fact since i just ended our poos levels that seems like a good place to save and probably call it so what'll happen is that we'll go through the remainder of the uh the efab 85 super chat since there's usually more in the beginning than there are in the end so we could be close-ish to halfway through those not a hundred percent sure and of course we will be going through uh the ones from this catch up um once again we're in the situation of catching up to them but it's what happens when you have a 10 hour stream that's solely about responding to a video you got a lot of super chest to catch up on and we're getting there but um probably won't be till next week uh just because someone sent it to me someone said the lowest grossing transformers movies the bumblebee movie which made 300 million and the worst one uh made one billion wow uh I read out the um the stream labs from last time they're caught up to date outside of this uh stream and so I'll collect them at the end of this as well and make sure everything gets caught up with if uh if we're able to get through all the super chats of the next efab which is possible we'll try and catch up again we're getting closer and closer to the to the actual catch up now but if not we'll just do another one of these next week um so yeah it's been fun um glad you guys popped in to keep us company and of course absolutely it's good we should do it more thank you very much for the generous donations uh oh yes thank you very much keeping good ol efab afloat um so yeah I guess we'll catch you on saturday 7 p.m bst or efab number 80 I think eight I'd have to check the numbers um yeah we'll catch you around thank you folks and goodbye bye bye