 And we a laugh Finally Locked up. I know how you've been brother. Yeah, man. Good. Good. Enjoying some chai and I'm feeling very grateful for the credible warmth to be our experiencing up here in Toronto Contrast in comparison is always interesting right warm Comparison to what like minus 25 is like oh, it's minus five minus 30. That's my stuff Well, really, it's it's funny because I was talking to somebody in the States a couple of days ago and mm-hmm and I said at minus 30 doesn't matter. It was Fahrenheit or centigrade. It's just fucking cold. It's the same All right, that's where the Fahrenheit scale meets the Celsius scale and You know gotta say gotta say feeling very happy for the contrast and I always say like I always tell this joke I told this before I'm like If the theories are correct that we evolved from Africa And if you and I were like the first Bushmen going from Africa into Europe, you know the minute I felt that cold of like yo guys We fucked up. We made an epic mistake going back. We go back bro. Like we fucked up royally, man This is horrible. I am going back go back But then you gotta think about like how fucking bad it must have been in that geographical area of Africa for them To be like yo, I rather be freezing my nuts off right here then go back Yeah, because that they did they stay there, bro They say that it throws your fucking nuts off as opposed to going back to the Sun So it's crazy man. I don't know. I don't know what the reason is, but There must have been a very compelling reason Innovation right there, bro, bro, we know we know for a fact that Vitamin D in the Sun makes you healthy like for fuck's sakes. You look at the blue zones today Yeah, what's the number one thing they have in common? There's like two things they have in common the first thing they all live in a warm climate a lot of vitamin D and Sun Second thing in common. They have a lot of omega-3 in their diet more or less quite on the pescatarian side of things Interesting. Yeah, man. I think about look how fucking depressing it is like look at like northern latitudes of countries Scandinavian countries Russia Canada included we I think Statistically speaking, we probably have one the highest rates of suicide and depression in the world like we don't get fucking We're gonna look at the stats here. Yeah We don't get vitamin D, bro Like look at Vancouver or look at like what's that place Finland or Switzerland? Well, I don't know where it is. It's one of those that doesn't get Sun at all Yeah, well people just live there because taxes are high and you could take care of Taking care of anybody man take care of myself Fucking no one tells me what to fucking do. Yeah, well, well, I hear that for both of us, this is gonna be our last winter and in the cold at least amen amen to that brother Get a g5 jet and get the hell out of here Yeah, man, I wanted to talk to you about one specific thing that you and I always banter about is that is Plant medicines, man. All right. Let's talk about it. What do you? Yeah, I want to talk about two specific things when it comes to plant medicines. Okay number one We'll go step by step number one if somebody wants because The number one question I get from a lot of people and I send them to like maps in different organizations Yeah, but number one question that I get from people when it comes to plant medicines is How do I start? Okay Okay, well Couple of things so this is a actually I might just write something about this is because yes It's pretty common thing. Yes, send them to like one link or one one video once And and they have that kind of access to it. This is something that you know, it's it's yeah I just thought about it like this might be something valuable to do So first I understood you start by understanding what's going on with Because if if this is this is kind of new to your to your environment It's new to kind of who you are chances are you there's there's some Information that you don't know about what what what these substances are how they work how they don't work, etc So the first step is to get aware become aware of what it is you're dealing with What are the rewards? What are the risks? What are the like? How does this whole thing work? And so I think the first concept understand is like the baseline concept, right? So so let's say like let's let's say we draw a line Clearly and that's the baseline of your awareness, right? So In the way I look at substances, you know plant medicines, you know Pharmaceutical drugs whatever right they they fall either up off the line or below the line. So let's take Alcohol for ten right alcohol is a pretty shitty drug You know how called responsible for some of our 18 million deaths in United States alone every year just some Just a crazy number It's a crazy number. I don't quote me on that number, but it's just a good if you look it up over Yeah, I'll look it up right now. Yeah, I remember it being like pretty high and Typically what it does is it reduces the baseline of your consciousness that gets you less aware It gets you more impulsive it, you know, maybe the first drink or two might get you a little bit I'm inhibited but the more you drink Like you can get so unaware you can pass out Consciousness that dims to the point where it becomes like you pass out you're done and that so alcohol would go under that that that baseline and you have Do you have substances that are on the baseline like coffee? Right sometimes depending on your genotype phenotype, and you know this a little bit more than I do Depending on your genotype or phenotype coffee can be useful to you or can be neutral to you It could be not useful to you right depending on your situation and then you have stuff like crystal meth Clearly it drops your baseline it affects the reward systems of your brain that kind of thing mess It's not something you want to do right heroin crystal meth fentanyl This whole opioid epidemic. That's if it's really been sweeping a lot of North America. It's it It fucks you up basically. It's so you don't want to do it Suddenly with riddle in or at all. It's like it's just it's meth At a very tiny quantity so so it reduces your baseline It might make might make you feel like you're a bit better right now, but overall reduces your baseline Above your baseline you have there are substances and this is amazing. This has been around for thousands of years That increase your baseline of consciousness that add awareness to you and so the reason coffee is on the on the Right on the baseline it can be slightly above or slightly below. It's because for some people coffee is a performance in and St. Drug and for some people the same people it might actually affect them the longer term They have a cat crash or they have a have the headaches or whatever the caffeine headaches you call right Now above the baseline you have substances like MDMA and psilocybin and LSD and ayahuasca peyote and San Pedro and in the Boga the five million DMT like you have all of these substances this range of stuff that starts to open you up to more awareness more of access to self-awareness which I think apart from you know health and and Connection and depth of family like I would I deeply wish self-awareness for everybody around The shit is awesome and and especially Self-awareness is really valuable to learn to grow to be able to to use awareness to move through life in a beautiful way every Everyone I really respect tends to have a lot of self-awareness and and so First recognize there are things above the threshold and things below the threshold There in the classification of like thing medicine is above the threshold I tend to go by this the classification that I first learned from Dr. Dan Engel Who's just like a pretty significant researcher in the States that talks about plant medicines and that's quite He has a very clear beautiful way of describing it, which is there's level one level two level three and the levels are Kind of they talk about intensity. It's about the intensity of experience. It's also about It would be foolhardy to start at level two instead of level one like this is not a game This is not a competition like It it basically it's just different levels of intensity of experience and it would be like a guess again Not advisable to start at level three For the sake of your own consciousness in your own kind of journey So Level one substances or essentially now MDMA Which we'll get get more into we got LSD Which was you know the drug of the choice in the 60s and psilocybin or magic mushrooms? and that that's a people called shrooms sometimes and That is a designation that is hated by Paul Stamets who I know Hates it so I can understand it from us, you know a scientific perspective for sure for sure Stamets is the man The guy is incredible, so he's got For if you guys are interested in kind of checking something out So he did an interview with Joe Rogan, which I consider like one of the best interviews He's ever done and Rogan's a fantastic interviewer and the amount of times Rogan got his mind blown It's substantial neurogenesis So that's a really good one Those are level ones, you know, level one is a fun. It's the fun zone It's the fun zone, which means You're not puking typically Right, you are generally having you can have fun with them You don't so you don't it doesn't have to be therapeutic necessarily you can have a Overall fun experience with them. You can have a recreational experience with them And they can also be very insightful and help in personal growth and change and all this stuff so To start if you if someone's looking for like, you know entry point MDMA would probably be The ideal entry point, right? So what is MDMA? So it's a little before we get into that Let's let me just cover level two and level three so level two is is the facilitated stuff, right? It's deeper shit basically So again, if you haven't had a few rounds of level one, like it's Unnecessary to go to level two unless you have an addiction unless you have like a real fundamental psychological need to improve Or to to grow if you have a heroin addiction for example, right? He goes straight to level three. You know, this is a medical emergency But it's a good psychological emergency, right? So this person's just given up on life given up on they've given up on life their family's given up on them There this is a last resort situation. That's an ibogaine and a bogey comes in this level three stuff Which is very useful for for people that don't have addictions But it's critical like this. You don't know people do have very high level addictions Don't go through the whole ladder situation, right? so Level two is your ayahuasca is your peyotes your San Pedro's your cacti that they tend to be facilitated And facilitated by people typically you've been doing their work for 10 plus years, you know that specific kind of work facilitation The the bar for the facilitation should be very high and anybody who's who's doing that kind of work Needs to be betting their person significantly. If you don't have one if you don't know them don't do it You know, this is not smart The risks at the risks are significant for getting this kind of stuff, right? If you are if you don't know what you're doing if you don't know what your sourcing is your your sitter and or Guide is not vetted like any of this work is is is not recommended because there is you're opening up your mind your consciousness your energy to new stuff and And I hope you respect your mind your body and and your energy and assuming you do you want to be careful and consistent and very Methodical in the way you approach it because if you don't you know to put a bluntly you might get fucked and That might not be worth the Might not be worth it. Of course you can recover of course You can heal all this other stuff of why get yourself into a mess if you don't have them so This that's level two the level three is your are you bow guard five at me at EMT? So this is heavy stuff So this is heavy stuff also heavy results, right? So it bogus philosophy is like no no gain no pain no gain And the price you pay is physical and psychological in nature, right? And obviously monetary as well, but The more you put put skin in the game the more you get out of it, and that's the general Orientation see bogus is probably the substance I know with the most behavior change That it that it results and from experience so heroin addicts tend to become Like about 70% recidiv like a rate of a short rate of addiction. No withdrawals Govremate talks about that. Yeah. Yeah, no withdrawals. That's the crazy stuff So so with other level two substances that they have the situation where You get off them you have you have an urge to get off these substances But you still go through the crawls, which I hear is is is terrifying and horrifying But we look at no withdrawals clean And and it's it's miraculous and we don't know how it works. I know we don't and there's an interesting If you guys want to know more about it What's this? What's is a oh my god? Andrew no Hamilton. What's Hamilton's name? Oh That happens from a copia. Yeah, but what's his first name? Hamilton Hamilton what? Is it Andrew? No, it's not Look it up. Oh That guy is it has to be what one of us like the smartest Hamilton Morris Hamilton Morris He's fucking amazing, but he was just I want to say recent Well, yeah recently the last like four to five months was on Rogan's podcast again Yeah, and he has a segment on there talking about we both got right Talking about it's not even tertiary but quad like fourth-dimensional properties that a bogey has and even still today Even though like Iboga is actually more studied than ayahuasca when it comes to the analogs and the molecules within Ibogaine, but we still don't know at all like the true How it works to such a degree Yes, no, it works on your work system Mm-hmm, right. We just know work or rework to reward pathways. We know it's actually been very useful for Alzheimer's Because it it like supercharges neurogenesis supercharges like the growth of new brain cells is at a rate that it's just bananas and He also talked about the really this was actually really interesting to me We're bringing up the script a little bit, but that's not like we had a big strip anyway he talks about to addicts right so they were talking about it in in in the con context of addiction and He talks about We haven't done too much work with this stuff We haven't tested like right now so far the way we're working with addicts is like, okay let's like blast them so Ibogaine is the the Extract of Iboga Iboga's Rupark and Extract the hell out of it and and you take one alkaloid that the main the big boss basically and And then you give someone a Fuck ton of it So you do so he's bringing an addict and and they say okay this addict We need to give them so much Iboga that we don't know if their body can actually take it so let's extract the lead alkaloid and give them a bunch of it and See how they react like essentially it's shock treatment It's psychological shock treatment. You're giving them so much of it that they they go back and Likely they don't never touch it again statistically and Hamilton's like maybe a better approach instead of shocking the hell out of them is Is doing two or three treatments within you know a nine month period maybe that's better We don't know because it's expensive people have to take time off There's a lot of other Variables in the picture and because it is not typically in this you know the the medical It's it's not aligned in the medical model right now like these these these stuff as their schedule one pretty much This is a huge problem. So they have to go out of the country, you know pay out of pocket Figure the staff out and that's why it's not there's not enough done on it where we can start to see what is the ideal cadence here What is the ideal dose of structure? What is the ideal kind of integration phase and it's a whole thing we'll talk about? That kind of stuff. So it's very very interesting stuff very it's like near miraculous in terms of what it's able to accomplish And yeah, I'm very excited to have more research on that on it In terms of what can be done? Well one benefit at least in Canada is both the ayahuasca iboga are under the pretense of religious act Right ayahuasca is under the vision of the pretence of religious act. I think it's legal. Oh, it's straight legal Yeah, I think it's legal. You can you can look it up. How the fuck is iboga straight legal and psilocybin's not? Yeah, or even or even a better an example you and I talked about before is salvia Brain was like cut off of oxygen and like some parallel universe like I was it was camping Like it's most fucked up weirdest experience possible, but like there's no I had like zero beneficial Take from it. It's like I left it. It's quick because it's not logs like 10 minutes for 10 15 minutes And I came back. I'm like what the fuck This stuff is fucked. Like there's no like therapeutic benefits like would like why? Yes, I began is unregulated in Canada till it doesn't nine then health Canada outed Ibogaine to the prescription drug list in 2017 Yeah But like for example, I did the micro dosing of Iboga that like for me was like remarkable You know in hindsight after the day has passed by but looking back and like okay Like things went different. I noticed things I had more deeper insight about how my thoughts were formed or why my thoughts were formed And how I can analyze my thoughts Yeah, it's a it's it's mind medicine. It's really fantastic stuff. Yeah, so now you know the hierarchy, right? So now, you know, you know level one cool fun stuff that can really allow you to grow up fundamentally and amazingly The reason I'm frankly very interested in this kind of stuff is because I deeply believe in that we are all here to learn and grow as human beings and psychedelics allow you a Highway like it's the super highway of learning and growth, you know, I do a bunch of other stuff obviously That helps me to learn and grow but but the information access that you get with this kind of stuff. It's unparalleled and And so you probably want to start with something like, you know, if you're if you're listening if you're like, hmm This is interesting. This is curious. This is something I want to get into You want to look up MDMA now MDMA started out as You know, you probably have heard of MDMA and ecstasy in conjunction So ecstasy is MDMA Which is straight crystal cut with speed And that that was used in like, you know, the party drug as a party drug pretty much, right? It's something speed is something that is a simulant MDMA is something that makes you feel a lot of love lots of serotonin and oxytocin release in the brain It's got kind of like takes is takes your brain and Release the barge shit on serotonin and oxytocin in your brain. So you feel a lot of love you feel very very Connected to yourself connected to others other other people. It's been used in relationship therapy where you know a husband of life or or you know a couple is looking to mend bonds between each other And it's a very powerful experience. It's it's it's light and it's not technically a psychedelic Like, you know, you know, you're not gonna have visuals on it You're not going to have like it's going to be very light and you're going to feel more of yourself You're just gonna feel a lot of love and and It's a beautiful experience in more like most importantly MDMA or isn't like faith through trials in the States For specifically PTSD And and there's been research to show within because this is the crazy stuff anytime you look at any research to do with Psychedelics it tends to be my blood You know what the fuck? How is this shit not legal? within three sessions within three sessions a person of PTSD Has a 80% cure rate Not a reduction rate Right now that I'm feeling slightly better, but it's 80% sure what you're done. It's done the within It's called MDMA assisted psychotherapy. So you have like a kind of designated License practitioner that that misters the substance and then helps you move through the trauma You know, there's the state of protocol asked for like a like an eye mask And the headset with a preset playlist and And once you do that like over the course of you know, three to four hours it lasts you about you know, three to four hours and you sort of have insights and understandings about yourself because of the way like the medicine interacts with your mind and body and In conjunction with a therapist. There is this like beautiful healing that happens that lots of people report and Is there other show notes here? Can you like have people like click on links and shit? Is that is that a thing you can do here? Where is this live? It's right here. Yeah, we can do show notes great because Tucker Maxwell an excellent article. Just let me notice in one second. There's a chat feature in this Great. Where is it right here? But the notes here. That's the actual box if you want to type in any notes to people So they can see it That's awesome. Okay, cool So I I'll Tucker Maxwell an excellent article About his experience with MDM therapy. Oh, yeah, that's right a couple of like a month or two ago yeah, and I thought that was an excellent idea. It was really well done because a Tucker's a great great writer Be Tucker's no bullshit and I feel like people appreciate the style and And see he went deep as fuck Right, he really went into an experience if anybody listen just the types Tucker max and the MA okay, it'll come up and and that's a very good example of How MDMA can really make a massive difference in people's lives. I really think it's a profound experience and I think something as as an entry level as MDMA if you can make that much of a difference It's pretty incredible to know what the other stuff can do with you Right. So so again, you it's not crazy like it. It's it's almost if you do it in the way that I've mentioned It's all it's so hard to fuck it up so right and and there are practitioners in In Most parts of North America like more cities in North America and I think maps is a multi-disc preliminary association of Psychedelic society something like that maps if you just search for maps they should Be able to point you in the right direction to practitioners in various cities That help you kind of do this. This is also quite quiet all quite on the ground. So every now I think it might be a Because he mentioned a different class right substance a Then B and C or class one schedule. Yeah schedule one two three What's the goal? I think the goal for like 2020 or 2021 is to be a schedule three For MDMA. Yeah, so medical practitioners can describe it. Yeah, I think it has incredible application and And that that alone can really help people to heal fundamentally. Yeah, well funny funny side. No LSD and MDMA were legal In like it's 60s. Yeah, they were legal and prescribed by psychiatrists. That's how this whole shit went down, man Yeah So the whole 60 shit went down. It's pretty nefarious when you think about like War and drugs was obviously you and I know that's a whole scam. We can have a whole different podcast on that but like You know MDMA aside if you look at plants, you can't patent plants like you can't patent different mushrooms or Iboga or Aya or any of these like Let's get them on the cactus Peyote, but you know, I mean, so it's like the one thing that's non-addictive Eagle shattering spiritually aligning for the most part most people can grow in that's the stuff you make illegal Yeah, yeah, and I think with some of them you can even start to look at like they're trying to see if they can patent Like a synthetic psilocybin or something like that, right? They can do whatever they want but like the same thing like what they do in a weed right now Like they thought that legalizing old weed is going to be like Revolutionary and people are gonna know people still want They want organic Properly cultured properly grown, you know respectful like practices of like how we Grow and as opposed to this is like industrial chemically laced You know type of like garbage weed. Yeah Yeah, I'm not to mention most of the indoor hydroponic weed has a ridiculous unbalance of THC to CBD Like if you look at like outdoor strains is actually lower You should have a low amount of CBD in relation to sorry low amounts of THC Compared to CBD, but then you got this crazy fucking cushion like north of 20% THC. That's your fucking bonks your mind You're gone Fuck the fuck don't want that shit for fucking with brain dead You want a clean consistent good source, you know I'm saying and so yeah But one thing with the MDMA with the PTSD was fascinating. It was it was people who had chronic PTSD So this this wasn't people who said who just were Diagnosed with PTSD as of yesterday in the study in the in the both phase one phase two and even now phase three It was people who've been there done that tried all different forms of modalities psychotherapy this SSRI that lithium this blah blah blah blah blah everything failed and So yeah, think about that. They've been there done that they tried everything and just two treatments With MDMA assisted psychotherapy was more beneficial. I think in the phase two said ten years worth of therapy They've done in the past when he two treatments were worth more than the ten years what they did in the past. It's like Wow The the value is is is hard to overstate and it's also hard to explain Right, you know, you have these experiments and you start to see the delta of the changes and The good things that start to happen to people That's profound. That's profound already but you you take Something like an entry-level experience, right, you know, that's how you start There's nothing really lighter so to speak although you can vary those ranges Then MDMA like on the general hierarchy, right? Yeah, that's on check that That's pretty crazy. And so let's say if someone does that then they're looking for something else Would you say then like so so before I even even say that I would actually say get get it integration integration Right, so so this whole thing the whole point medicine stuff I think It's cool. It's cool. It's great. It's getting tons of new press people talking about it that like we or currently in like the a Position where we're experiencing a psychedelic renaissance of renaissance brother. It's happening Right, so so there's there's a great book called how to change your mind by Michael Paulin He wrote that game changer, right? Very established writer thinker Any great thing about that book he came into it as a skeptic, right? And and he was a very established food writer and asserted to say what's going on here and sort of the coat Go down the rabbit hole sort of to ask questions and start to experiment with himself As to you know, how does this work and how can I use these these spots like are they for those shit? like what's going on here and It's a beautiful book about his experiences that I want to ruin it necessarily for people but what what he talks about is the fact that now slowly It's coming back to mass consciousness Where people are realizing well, this is actually quite useful stuff And it could be very beneficial for our minds or bodies and our psyches and society as a whole If we start to look at these medicines that are going to use you know for thousands of years really to help you become a better person Fundamentally and yeah, I think I think it's good. It's gonna be a really good time in terms of integration so Integration sounds it's the boring stuff It's the boring stuff so so though the experience like whoa, it's the meat of the sandwich so to speak and the experience stuff is it's stuff on both sides of it so you have the Yeah, the preparation which is like the left side of the sandwich Yeah, the experience which is the meat and you have the integration Which is the right side of sandwich and if you were to kind of picture a sandwich the right the bread on the right side It's gonna be a long one right. It's gonna be a long one because The work required in bringing back a lot of these insights are Significant right there's significant so You know for people thinking Some people would be thinking like what what ranges of experience that I had enough I've experienced all three levels I've experienced is that So integration basically means journaling meditation Keeping your body healthy like working out movement yoga flexibility whatever and also being able to Bring the experiences that lessons you're bringing back and applying it into life. That's where the money is Now you can you can do a bunch of stuff and a bunch of experiences But unless you're bringing back insight and you're applying that in your life Like what the hell are you doing? It's fine if you want to go on fun rides. That's fine That's that's something you can do and and there's nothing wrong with that The reason I'm interested in some of the stuff is because it makes me a better human and I want to act and I want to improve and I want to become better and That comes with having a great peer group right back that that comes with being able to share Experiences with people that are close in your life that comes from being able to meditate and journal and things of that nature and if You're not having an integration practice. It's like having water Like sift through your fingers and fall away, right? So you have all those amazing Stuff that comes at you, but you're not you don't have a bowl You don't have something to capture it and and being able to use that So the integration value is really high and that's someone so that's something you can start doing today You know, whether it be a meditation practice or a journaling practice or or some kind of consistent self-awareness Practice it could be you writing it could be Playing chess But it's some kind of a practice that become helps you gain more self-awareness. That's really important And so what do you work? What do you recommend then what's something simple that people can just start? We mentioned some stuff like chess and writing and meditation etc about like For the most part, what do you find to be like the lowest spirit entry that people can kind of stick with I think Like it's different for different people So for me, it's generally, you know, that that's that's very easy access to me And if journaling is not good try to find a journal. It's great. I Think it's very individual. I think you know, I you know, we've known each other for years So I know your general style like I think for you It's working out to be honest, right your your your method of of Increasing your self-awareness is actually very physical and nature. It's like movement and in Health related and food related Yeah, I always said my best type of integration and auditing is just I fucking walk Yeah, a walk no music no nothing. I just walk and then my brain do is thinking. Yeah, there's a there's a kinetic You're a kinetic thinker as well, right? So That's that's your kind of your way of gaining self-awareness, right? So after an experience or so you would want to spend, you know, you want to like block out Maybe half an hour to an hour to just Walk and allow it to process and that's your thing. Everybody's got got their own thing. Obviously You know, you have a few standard things meditation journaling things like that You can go down those rabbit holes if you don't know what yours is but chances are for the people listening, you know what your stuff is Right, you know what your access is potentially to help yourself process and And and and but find something real to implement on the other side So moving along it what's your then what's your suggestion or advice for people who are Hearing about for example Most of these studies these days are coming up with psilocybin, you know, Paul Stamets talks about it Dennis McKinnon Terrence McKinnon's brother. He's also been on Joe Rogan's podcast a bunch of times I met him down in Mexico really awesome a dude at the crypto psychedelics conference It was a good conference as interlume to it. They definitely got to do that again It was it broke it was fucking sick man. We had maps was there We sponsored it and yeah, it was a two-day event talk about crypto and psychedelics Dennis McKinnon was down there a bunch of other Amazing researchers and scientists were down there. It was a good time I hope hopefully they had it they had it this year, but they had it in Prague And it was during like kind of cold. I think I'm like, yeah, I need to have it during summertime And then I'll then I'll show up But going back to the psilocybin So that you know, we were talking the different stages like level one level two level three of entry points What would what would be your recommendation then for people who are interested in psilocybin? The way I would do it is first I would get a smart friend I'll get a smart for someone like a facilitator as much someone who understands what they're doing in your general circle And everybody has like, you know, or some kind of or try to find a facilitator who knows what they're doing that's the that's the first entry point because Doing this yourself is Possible, but it's there's a lot of things that you have to do that can be difficult sourcing accurately appropriately high quality stuff testing For impurities that is that all this other rather if you can find Lois hanging fruits, you can find someone who is a doctor a psychotherapist a Practitioner who is bedded Then this whole thing becomes a way simpler they become kind of your go-to person and That's that makes a huge difference Would you recommend people to start with the micro dosing before they do something like even like one or two grams? Yeah, it's a great idea So again, assuming you can get a clean consistent source Micro dosing is basically something that's made popular by Jim Vateman Who at the second I'll explore this guy and he's been is incredible human he's been around for a long time he's been around for a while and He talks about the experience of giving giving someone a tenth of a dose And so let's say a dose is you know a significant our hero's dose Let's say I'm still so I've missed five grams not talking about that dose talking about like a two to three grand dose So 10th of that would be point two point three grams It's sub threshold which means in his words The rocks don't even glitter a little bit Yeah, and it just kind of adds to your perception of library think of it like psychedelic coffee Right, it's like coffee It's it's something it improves your based on our awareness kind of yours little brighter a little sharper a little more Aware today and it can help you do everything you're doing just with an added layer of awareness not out of labor awareness is really valuable a little useful and And yeah, if you have access to it absolutely micro doses are great way to start because it also removes any fear and yeah, right, so this is that's the dress that because That's something that people likely experience right they they have a you know They're it's very common to feel a fear of what would you discover on the inside? Like what if they go crazy? What if they're able to not control the experience? What happens if if if if? and it's a reasonable concern considering if someone's never done psychedelics before or let's say they've had some experiences in the past with you know with The wrong dose range they haven't measured or the wrong Set the mindset and the setting Of the right people around if they hadn't had that they've had an experience that it has been challenging Likely it stopped them from being able to do any of the experiences in the future because they've experienced some trauma and They have to to move through that trauma to be able to you know engage and partake in the substance again And so there's there is likely with hallucinogens psilocybin You know LSD, you know and heavier stuff. You're going to have some trauma that you're going to have to overcome Mm-hmm As a result of that and and the key is to start start at small dose ranges The way I think about it Start at small those ranges and slowly make your way up and and aim for If you're starting out aim for experience every six months You know maybe a year Start small smart slow start consistently like make it you know some people like to make it a birthday ritual Where they start to get like an inch, you know large dose of insight you're after year and they kind of upgrade and Keep moving from there. So there's lots of different ways of doing this and Microdoses are and you can micro doses of pretty much every substance that I know of You can do acid that you can do LSD is is the term I prefer Um That's like a negative connotation I said, I'm gonna fucking put acid down my Here, you know, I mean we're part of the branding fucking division You fucking failed fucking fired acid and let me call something acid You know I mean like like fuck you should call it like I like fucking gummy bear You know I mean like some kind of like good positive connotation Spread a little bit more than fucking acid Yeah, I know you can't micro dose MDMA no Point of the least zero point zero eight. Yeah, so Big micro does that I have your stuff as well, but if you're doing it, you know stick with your psilocybin and LSD to start I would say I always start small man I I told you this before my worst trip actually my life was eating 20 edibles Okay, so let's let's hear the the edible story, bro twice in my life and That was a much heavier stuff. Sorry. That was a much heavier stuff. Oh that fucking I was young man I was like I'm 33 now. That was like when I was like 18. I like this is eons ago Like outdoor raves like the original raves like World of China music festival here in Canada like before any EDM shit Even if fucking existed like Algonquin Park shit like deep in the fucking bush But the bottom I had the uppers and down off you you fucking aim it and bottom line and blackout awake up and I'm like I'm better now. So like I had no cognition of the event nor physical memory nor pain receptors to associate with that event, right? It happened to me. I woke up and thank God there was friends and medical help Right, but it was supposed to what you're saying is basically you Ode to the OD itself was not challenging or painful because You blacked out Basically, yeah for the most part. Yeah, I don't get me wrong. I get the beginning was like spinning as dizzyness Puking heart rate like that, but like nothing in comparison to my horrible fucking weed trip I Think I ate like five to six hundred milligrams of fucking I Remember man, I I spent like two three hours on the toilet sides coming in and out but yeah, and like the shakes of my I became pale and then The thing is you know, you're fucked like I know exactly what's going on and I'm like, yo This is death bro. This is the most fucked up thing ever bro. I've done so many things. I'm sitting and luckily I had access It was like It was one of my friends place and it was had access to a bed. I sat down there for like, I don't know How many fucking hours man in this wormhole of death Going down and like shaking like this and I'm going through the wash And like every I still feel it man, that's all fucked up You definitely have trouble from that for sure you can't yeah, it's yo Edibles are fine And I'm like the only one any other people tell me they're the most fucked up triples edibles No, I'm my my most so there you go fucked up. It was wasn't even edible. It was it was technically CBD oil. Yeah That wasn't CBD at all. I don't fuck dude. It was Terrifying it was So buddy of mine bought like the highest like concentration of CBD oil for his grandfather. Yeah He was he wasn't like essentially like the last stages of his life for pain control and things of that nature because CBD is supposed to be really good for that and His grandfather gave it back to him because you know, he felt that You know, he was tripping apparently he tripped on it and he didn't like it and he gave it to my buddy Who didn't think twice about it? He's like, ah, I guess my grandfather didn't do it. I guess so I'll take something and so He told me is really high Ready to see me D like we're talking like the The bottle has like a few 100 milligrams and and He teaches some himself and said hey, you want some I'm like, oh CBD. That's fine I have a much better experience with CBD that you see so I grab I grab I take some I Get home and I'm starting to get highs Like way, I don't understand my mouth starts to get really dry. Oh fuck cotton mouth. Oh my god I'm like, wait That wasn't TSC was it and I look around and I'm like, I'm definitely high. Oh Shit, and it's not getting any better. Yeah It's it's starting to like oh, it was the most horrific experience Of my like I've done some I've done some shit. Yeah, um, you know, not OD level shit but I've had some challenging experiences. I Gotta say man this one was Like the problem with fucking the the psycho act because it becomes psychoactive when you eat it The problem is like high levels of TSC. Yeah, so so so And I don't know what happened in your situation with my situation. It was mislabeled Right this thing was I just didn't know how much fucking milligrams was in the fucking brownies. Oh, man What I did one of the other ask What the fuck we know what the fuck I'm fucking like 19 I think it was a shit, dude. What the fuck? I think I knew a shit how much fucking milligrams are in that shit and more of the story is Be extremely careful. Well, the story is I'm surprised I'm alive That's the moral of the story I was like a fucking garbage Disposal unit back in the day I always say I'm like a fucking thank God I was like that we were the last generation before like all this fucking Facebook and Twitter and everyone's like, you know We were like anti-old that shit pictures get the fuck out of here. Well fucking pictures even on shitty phones back I break that shit. No fucking pictures allowed nothing allowed. No cameras on pictures. This is fucking We're in black ops mode over here, bro incognito Christ man That was a different era in your life. I actually feel sorry for people who didn't grow up pre social media Shittering like you go now to any like even like any EDM festival or like even burning men. Everyone's like, oh Look at me. I am so fucking spiritual. Uh, yo Get the fuck out of here Yo, what the fuck are you doing with your fucking phone and your camera break that shit like I'm telling you man They're they're missing out man. I'm saying thank fucking God. There's no there was no fucking social media when I grew up Thank God. That's all I'm saying Yeah and they got me to be of Much better research and much better awareness of some of the stuff now But you can do the good stuff. Oh God. Yeah, man Cuz that's another thing people forget these studies are a very expensive and B okay, so there's there's three things to it. There's a it's very expensive B it takes a very long bureaucratic time to cut the red tape to get approved for these studies and See the studies take a long time and D The researchers are doing or putting their ass on the line. Fuck. Yeah in a way that you can't imagine like if they're risking They're risking their careers to do this, right? There's this researcher and PhD the name of Rick Strassman who did the significant research around that the molecule DMT or dimethyltry to me and He talks about the the Conundrum that he went through he talks about the the the difficulty that he had as He figured out I'm not gonna do this and I can do research on this molecule because You know, I could I could have a license to go. There's so many things that can happen if he's treading on the wrong side of the razor's edge, so to speak and Yeah, you know what to me like I think of I Think of like heroic acts. Yeah being acts of of courage that that requires strategic foresight and just an understanding that this needs to get done and Someone might like they might the person the people are researching this might take one for the team Might be taking one for the team and they're okay with it and that's remarkable Right, they could just write some mother fuck other paper about some random like non controversial Molecule or substance be fine with it. Yeah, well, this is where I'm like, there's one thing. I'm actually excited and Great example. This is what the pineapple fund did in crypto. They give maps. I think it's five million dollars How can you the phone? I don't know what the pineapple pineapple fun was fucking Whoever he was or they oh jeez fucking oh jeez They are he I think is he he made a shit ton of money during with Bitcoin So who's who we're talking about? I don't know No, we know these got it. Okay, people know who he is, but I don't bother to probe. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I don't care I don't want to I made a shit ton of money He's like I want to give back and he created a pineapple fund and within the pineapple fund He had a voting mechanisms like who should I give money to and people are voting on? foundations and charities and the different initiatives and Maps was highly voted on that and he gave them five million dollars Vis-a-vis Bitcoin to maps maps takes crypto man. You can you can fund them And so like what I'm excited about in the future is Yo fuck Fuck us being dependent on the government or Institutions to bypass all this red tape for funding Yo, I'll fund studies. We get a million people to give a dollar You know, I mean, that's that's the cool stuff. That's the stuff the crypto can can really That's the Blockchain, let's talk about some blockchain stuff. Sure That's true house, and I'm genuinely interested in figuring some of the shit out Yeah, and and it's awesome that I have you as like access to understand all this stuff So apparently like these are the the facts that I know that are like pretty well known and undisputed So I'm gonna share them with you just so we're on the same page here So crypto Specifically, let's say Bitcoin if Monero, right like coin that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah They're volatile. They're volatile and what we know is they are the current cracker currencies But we have no idea, you know after the long-term longevity slash the ability of those specific crypto currencies my accurate accurate for the most part we can Both for Monero Bitcoin and Ethereum for the most part we know the issuance specifically for Bitcoin and Monero, we know how much will be mined vis-a-vis the miners And we know that it's a decreasing supply And so we can price that in within the price the one thing that we can't control off obviously is market dynamics We don't know when people are buying and selling vis-a-vis OTC So over-the-counter not the exchanges and that's the majority of the Purchases actually happen. It's not the exchanges people don't want to show you that they're selling Let's say 10 million or 50 million dollars worth of Bitcoin, but yes for the most part It's still highly volatile, right and what is is universally agreed upon That I've seen as almost most universally agreed upon is the fact that blockchain is going to change the world Mm-hmm. The idea of what blockchain is is going to change the world and And so so walk me through the blockchain Revolution if you will like walk me through where it is now Walk me through what do you see it's doing in let's say ten years when let's say it's fully established and Fully integrated into society what it can it can do what it promises. Maybe it's five years seven years So walk me through that whole thing I think promises is a bad way to look at it if you look at the most successful chains right now they all started organically for the most part Bitcoin Monero, Ethereum and Each of them have a very specific use case and a specific ethos Best example I give it's like very religious. He's Bitcoin is very religious has a lot of Similarities between how Jesus came Jesus left the disciples came like we don't know who Satoshi was We have some records of him vis-a-vis Bitcoin talk and some correspondence He disappears how Phineas won like the first disciples that starts mining Bitcoin working on the Bitcoin code implementing some bips and the other early Co-providers jump in and then slowly through grassroots Bitcoin starts getting adopted like a religion And you can look at a theory of two like Vitalik like a Messiah like people worship him people look at him like he's like everything Then you have like key people around Vitalik. So it's very tribal of us But the the promise I want to say there's no promise. I would say there is potentialities with this technology Number one Bitcoin obviously is it is It is the closest thing that we have in so far the number one and lead for having state-free money store value Where we can transfer value from point eight to point B. I call Bitcoin anti-war technology I can communicate with anybody in the world, and I don't need anybody's permission. I can buy stuff with it I don't need anyone's permission. I can sell stuff with it. I don't need anyone's permission And so it's very powerful then we have Ethereum lately where a lot of people are trying to build decent Decentralized financial products. So maker is one like a stable coin die Creating systems where people can easily get loans anywhere in the world Almost at zero percent interest imagine like you're somewhere like So how far away are we at this? I think truthfully we're still at like the five yard line All right. Yeah, I think we're very early. Yeah, yeah So this is also something it's been you receive upon right everybody's like this early shit We're trying to build this stuff. We're trying to figure out what what can't do what it can't do Like we're trying to figure out the edge of the system. It's going to be a while till it is integrated Yeah, and it's gonna be it's gonna be geographically dependent too because each Part of the world has a different need and a necessity for certain aspects of this technology At least they are North America We don't have a repressive government say we don't have let's say a banking system That's all so I'm gonna take your money, but they've done in the past if you look at American history there's been run on the banks in America this isn't something they'll be for the first time like people have a very short-term memory Here's another thing that people forget the United States confiscates confiscated your gold There was laws where it was give us your gold or go to jail They can't do that with Bitcoin well, they can but you don't have to necessarily get it. It's not a physical I didn't I don't have any physics. I don't Bitcoin. What Bitcoin? You talking about Yeah, they can't season physical assets. So to speak and where Bitcoin is going we have technology like Schnorr signatures Schnorr signature signatures Where all transactions on both ends will be? Moot meaning you will not know the amounts You will know there's a sendered receiver, but the amounts will be unknown So it makes even more privacy dominant within the space Yeah, so I'm very long on Bitcoin as a store of value per se As a cryptocurrency itself Yeah, cuz I see I see people storing a Portion of their wealth in Bitcoin on the proof of work chain And then I see layer two technologies like lightning network being utilized for day-to-day transactions Okay, so lightning. I'll tell you more about the lighting network stuff So lightning network is a second layer of technology built on Bitcoin on the on the Bitcoin platform Correct, right it utilizes onion tour network if you guys are familiar with that and Pretty much Make it, you know simple on your technology basically is a kind of technology that utilizes encryption and anonymity correct to transact online correct and so basically It uses a real it's called hops it uses a relay or system. So for example, I want to send you Jay money I don't care how it gets to you Jay I'm willing to pay like X amount of fees to get to you Jay it goes through the onion network It goes through any different hops it needs to go the fastest way to get to you Jay Yeah, yeah, yeah the best visualization I give for hops if If Anyone has seen the yes the last Guardian of the galaxy when they face ego the planet Have you seen that movie? Rock your raccoon and Friends of the galaxy they face the ego the big planet one of the celestials Yeah, I remember that. Yes. Yeah, and so rock your raccoon and the blue dude fuck What's the blue dude's name? Yondu Yondu Yondu They have to quickly get into go to ego the planet to help Queen and everybody and they go through all these like spaceport So those are hops And so, you know, that's I think 2019 2020 are gonna be massive years for Bitcoin and then Ethereum is going through its growing pain Technology standpoint or a revolution evolution of the tech. Yeah. Yeah, not necessarily the Price that which it's trading, but I don't know I haven't been I don't really pay attention the price of the truth Interesting so you pay attention to oh you probably do look at it but not really So you just look at where the tech is going I look at I look at the evolution of the tech I Look at the fundamental Principles of the tech. I look at the size of the network. I look at the hash power. I Look at how many people around the world are joining the hash power That's something No hash power. You don't have security. Yeah, so so for for the initiated. What is how what is hash power? hash power is The amount of a six, right? So these are application-specific Just call for oh, I don't like that's a complicated word. I like to call them Machines the crunch numbers Basically the video card on steroids actual horsepower of the blockchain I want to say intellectual. I will call it the mathematical computational force to to protect the blockchain of Yes, so how this hash power is cook so so we're on the same page here. That's power is the computational Horsepower of the Bitcoin option Yes, and so the more of that the better excess what about the the market cap I Think market caps are very bad Metrics to follow because it's highly flawed Okay, I think a better metric to follow is daily hash rates daily transactions Because also another thing market caps it can be like inflated vis-a-vis Exchanges where the exchanges can be easily altered as well. And yeah, yeah, but but but daily What would you say daily? Actually, well, you can look at daily hash volume But you can also look at the transaction volume and block size. There we go. How do you look at this stuff? Coin metrics is one Dot-co I believe And then the easiest one is massari.io any SS ari believe that IO. This is great It's cool shit. Yeah Coin metrics. I think it's dot-co The IO actually that IO, okay Sorry die as well. Oh Cool That makes so much sense That makes a lot of sense. I'm down with that that makes sense So if you look at the daily hash rate use the amount of Transactions that are in the network that's basically what you're saying Yeah, the hash rate is how active is that blockchain? Yeah, how many people are actually doing doing transactions those shit. Yeah, because the whole point of proof of work is You and I can submit a transaction to the Bitcoin blockchain And then basically what the ASICs do is they solve something called the nuns It's a random number on top of the header of the blockchain Yeah, whoever owns it first. This is a sheer brute force like Like a little dumb But it's not like it's not dumb. This is game theoretical models, right? So it's heavy it's but it's cross look it's I I know a little bit about this stuff and basically I started to look into what how a hash created At the top, you know the top of the block. There's like a hash that cryptographically seals it for the next layer Right for the next for the next block because that what goes is it's time stamped in hash. So a b bb Sorry a b b b c c c d d right. Yeah, it's linear okay, um so what I learned was is a It's almost like a Like a randomized function where multiple ASICs start to compute the probability of You know with a certain Essentially, there's a certain function where they have to brute force um Their computational power at a certain problem based on that. That's how the hash is fun. Am I Accurate or am I totally yeah at the end of the day? It's quite simple. You have money you buy all these asics you rent warehouse space You buy electricity you have engineers And the more power the more hash power you have the higher percentage chance you have to solve it first Not last first and this is why then we have something called uncle blocks Where you do solve something but you don't solve it first you solve it afterwards Okay And you don't get paid for that actually an ethereum chain. You get paid a little bit. I forget how much But that's all different counter worms Proof of stake. Um, we're going a little bit. I'm curious to know what differences did before can prove a mistake one Proof of stake is pretty open term because there's different there's different There's different proof of stakes. Okay You know, um So it's hard to compare even you know proof of work for the most part is Pretty much the same at least people who have cloned bitcoin. It's asics uh, but proof of stake like proof of stake from tesos to cosmos to ethereum whenever they switch over to Decred till the other ones eos, uh, they're different extremely different Okay, yeah, um, so basically you're you're bullish on bitcoin as a store value A store value. Yeah, so basically long term. Yes Um What what else are you are you bullish on monero? I fucking love monero. Yeah Monero is essentially bitcoin, but privacy coins. Um, like for price-wise. I'm talking about actual utility Bitcoin monero z cash uh ethereum They have a lot of competition coming up with like polka dot and cosmos ethereum. Yes. Oh, yeah and uh ethereum needs to figure out and there's a lot of like interesting talk or like decentralized financial instruments with ethereum like maker and die and and creating derivatives and creating open finance systems, but Time time is against them. So we'll see. I don't know like we haven't really discovered ethereum's real use so far The best narrative right now is open finance interesting Okay, basically, uh, Bob remember like bitcoin has had a 10 year head start Yeah, the blockchain is being actively like fucking developed and worked on and and craft and it's also pretty focused on one specific application As opposed to the original ethereum's promise was the world computer. You can do anything and everything you want Right. That makes sense. And that that makes like I'm fucking excited. I'm I'm excited for all these projects I know The crypto space for me has a lot of naysayers and a lot of people who are hardcore evangelists and they're absolutists um When it comes like this is this is one thing it does everything I'm like it becomes very toxic with the tip like very like religious ideologies, you know, it's like But for me I view it as the fucking one gigantic shit show of an experiment Do whatever the fuck you want I'm going to sit back and relax And watch it all happen And uh, the people that I for me, I'm a firm believer in people over technology Okay, always people people always over technology. Tell me more. Tell me more about that What technologies for example, they think technology alone sells it doesn't or they think the the better technology will be the winner It's like that's far from the truth That's like it's actually people it's people that win Yeah No, I'm with you on that. So so basically you so you're saying you champion people over technology. What is people? What is Unpack that for me the people over technology I trust people more than I trust tech like if I look at the Bitcoin blockchain block stream and the cryptographers working on like I put my faith in them I see and I put my faith in that it attracts Top cypher punks and top cryptographers cryptographers around the world same thing at a theorem I like a theorem. It tracks amazing talent. It tracks really interesting different minds from people who are Engineers to people who are economists to people who are in philosophy It tracks all these different interesting Eclectic groups of people to come together to figure out new types of models online Oh, yeah, I've heard I've heard unlimited things about Ethereum and generally the talent character attracts And and the conversations they have the developers attract. Yeah And then and from what I quite a altruistic philanthropic Person am I accurate or am I totally up it? Yeah? Yeah, you know a lot of I think a lot of people though Are kind of naive too within the space They believe things will just happen and they won't get kicked back and also they forget that Listen, you know, I know this most human beings are dumb not dumb in the essence of like just as an IQ Dumb I'm talking dumb as and it takes a very long time to Most people don't have in Instinctual Outlooks at certain things in life meaning like You and I want to use signal, right? We got a download signal. We have to understand most people won't do that, right? I tell people be responsible for your for your bitcoin on your private keys For example, buy one of these select your cphrase 99 of people won't do this, right? People like to have a one big green fucking easy button click easy And you know people get a lot of cognitive dissonance and they need the most easiest button possible Because that's how they've been habitually programmed the last 15 years because of the internet and so Crypto needs this If if we're going to have mass adoption within like ethereum of like decentralized finance Open finances whether with dye or anything else. We need one push mobile button click click click click click We need Easy adoption Of the blockchain easy use UI UX easy use So if I could if I could go out and basically I could just have a have a situation where I I drop in um I buy coffee and I just like tap my phone On the machine and I I pay with crypto Yeah, we can do that right now. It's uh Super early, but that's for me. That's uh inevitable. It's eventually going to happen. Yeah, I agree with that Uh, I'm excited for that Very excited for that. I think that is going to be an awesome time How far do you think we are from like the the wider adoption of it? I think like for lighting network like 2020 2021 early. Oh, it's a couple years. Yeah for lighting network. Yeah okay And and uh for the people listening obviously, you know, if they're listening they're interested in crypto They probably own some uh, what would you because I trust your general outlook and In perspective and advice when it comes to this shit because you you know what you're in it You breathe it you understand the tech you work with the teams you have deal flow There's lots of interesting but you're in the heart of the shit. So like Knowing what percentage like portfolio you would advise the obviously you guys is not investment advice Like be be smart. We don't be doubt that kind of thing But what would you what would you recommend? For people like listening if they they would like invest let's say $10,000 into Into most people most people aren't investors and they It's a hard they have a hard time understanding that most people are very emotional creatures not rational um For the most part for the most part the stuff that I invest in I know it fully I don't invest in stuff that I don't know for example. I'm not the wisest in stocks I have only two stocks and the reason I have it. I have actually know the people in a fucking company myself Like fuck um, and so for me until I have domain expertise over this or unless I have Uh delegated my money to a fund. So I have fiduciaries responsible for that I don't invest in shit that I don't know That being said remember like look at the crazy crypto boom, uh last christmas. It was all Irrational based on fomonomics, right or the previous christmas at two years ago Um, and people and people lose money because people are emotionally dumb fomonomics, did you say fomonomics? Yeah, I like it. I got that from brad mills, you know brad Yeah from mastermind, um And so it's like okay Invest what you have no emotional attachment to um And so like it's a 50 bucks that you don't care about put 50 bucks and it's 100 bucks or the thousand bucks You know, what's your threshold of emotional pain that you can manage? And you and and then dear god, you should not be investing stuff if you can't afford to invest meaning if it hurts That you lose it You should your number one concern should not be invested your concern should be earning more So people conflate between investing and having a bigger bigger earning potential And this is a big problem, too When people are trying to figure out how to make more money like well I'm going to take a little bit what I have right now and invest in something Unless you're doing some fucking high risk investment with like very like for example cryptos high risk investment with a high upside But extremely fucking volatile they could lose everything which like many people have like some people are buying at the high like Fucking uh, like 19,000 20,000 when bitcoin was is insane And uh, I always tell people you need to have Higher earning potential as opposed to invest is like, okay, you're only making like 60k a year You shouldn't be thinking about investing. You're not at that stage for investing. You should be thinking about how the fuck do I make 120? You know, okay, you're now your 120 cool. Now you got disposable income You got income now that if you lose it, it doesn't hurt you Right, so these are whole different conversations and so people need to figure out if I'm making 60 How can I make 120? What are what are side hustles I can do as gary bennard v talks about what are things I can sell maybe online? What are maybe some like? Uh, how can I increase the value of bringing in my current company? How can I do some consulting on the side? Like this is the shit that I tell people like fucking investing might get your earning potential up Yeah, understandable Yeah, it makes sense But let's say someone they someone did have 5k that they could they could become losing For me like I put it in bitcoin and Privacy coins a little bit Monero like 50 bitcoin 25 percent Monero 25 percent Ethereum I'll do like that. All right, cool Sit it relax, you know, I don't care if it goes up it goes up if I lose it whatever exactly that's the critical piece You know, hold on to it relax brief. Yeah, right? You're you're from what I'm what I understand You're long on it, which means You know in several years five ten years The store of value as as a general general trend is going to be upward Yeah, and like remember like the The conversation we're having here like for the most part we're not talking to Like crazy accredited investors who invest and the reason why their investors is multiple times in their in their life they've Successfully gained Wealth through one means or the next And so like regular people and this goes back is like I had this question I always thought like it irritates me, but it's very important is like and Earning potential man like people talk I've had too many people say well I want to invest a thousand like fuck. Can you afford to lose a thousand? No I'm like then why the fuck would you invest a thousand if you can't financially afford to lose a thousand? Like I rather take that a thousand buy some fucking swag on alibaba or where the fuck we've been fighting like Fucking dollar store and sell and chop it on amazon or chop it on ebay or whatever like you know you need to make more money Cool no makes sense so um from what I hear like so currently like What's the state of the industry in general the crypto industry like what's going on building man I'm I love the bear market. Fuck the bull market. I fucking hate bull markets bull market brings in idiots stupid people um, and people get crazy because they're In fair market, I'm assuming there's consolidation Consolidation or we still haven't consolidated people think the evaluation is still fucked Like I love the bear market though like people think crypto is dead. Fuck that the shit that people are building still like stuff going on in ethereum cosmos polka da bitcoin, right, you know where Fuck bro. The bear market is like Well, I love the bear market because the people who were here before the bull market. We're still here You know, it's not like we showed up yesterday. We've been here for years You know the people here during the bull market. Well, they It came and they're gone. You know, they're here just fucking skim off the top. Well, fuck you I'm you know get out of here. We don't need you anyways Yeah, so it's it's interesting because I'm pretty confident with with every Full and bear market. There's like a contingent of ojeets That's just like tighter and stronger and just like more methodical and they're in their approach to of course, man The understanding and you working with and because because you're really like it's at the inception Maybe not inception stage and exception. No, uh, I was in Asception stage for like ethereum per se, but an assumption stage for bitcoin, right? Uh, I came to bitcoin. I think in like 2000 and end of 2013 2014 something like that. I think 2013 roughly Uh, so I've been here like five to six years. Um For me, it's not has nothing to do with price. It's nothing to do with getting getting wealthy at all Side effect, but I'm here for the fact that What the technology has the potential to enable people Um enable people to have access to x enable people to communicate able to people to have privacy enable people to have means of financial communication meaning Commerce like this is what excites me the most everything else is a side effect Yeah, I get it. I understand and you were always the ideologically gone to the coin anyway So that that makes total sense Of course, bro when I first saw by I didn't understand the tech it took me a while But like I'm like, yo, I'm in in the story. I get it And you took a while to understand the tech. So what did you do to understand the tech? I just talked I literally talked to people physically like thank god Toronto's one of the hot spots in the space we had No, Peter Todd here a bunch of bitcoiners here on jay centenopolis used to come here a theorem was here Um, you know, so we just had you know the parks because of the proximity of toronto I had the luxury of speaking with a lot of brilliant people awesome, okay And if there's a good resource someone can can We need to listen to to like understand more about the blockchain revolution. What would that be? Lockheeks, bro. All right So what's what's what's the article that would be the first thing they would read? Actually, the simplest way is we organize the site in beginners intermediate and events And so they can literally just go to blockheeks click guides to go to basics and just go down the rabbit hole. Yeah That's great. No, the edge. I know we made every guide audio now too so you can listen to my voice too Cool, okay. Yeah Um, yeah, this is useful info Generally as time moves on it's gonna be valuable Yeah, man um Were you reading is this? Uh I am rereading The sovereignth individual so I'll show you Oh, yeah, you posted that I saw that So I don't know if you guys can see that but Yeah, that's what I'm rereading. It's a big book. So I'm rereading now reread that a couple of times And ask for audible when I do walk Uh, I'll show you I just finished re listening to joseph cambell's The power of myth I every quarter I listened to that Yeah, you're you're heavy on my book heavy bro, so many lessons and uh The latest one is uh Keeping at it paul vulker The former fed former chairman of the fed Huh, what's the most about uh in a nutshell? He's like our monetary system's fucked our inflation's fucked and we've been hijacked by fucked up crony capitalism And uh until we fix the fed and fix our monetary system, uh, things aren't looking good To summarize Yeah I feel like uh Yeah, we've known that for a while That's been public information since 2008 pretty much. Yeah, yeah, you know, so Um So yeah, uh, there's a really cool uh two-part youtube series called Call it's on, um, joseph cambell's Heroes heroes journey. Okay. It's like two clips of about 10 minutes each where they they I I don't have the patience to read that specific book. It's a big book man. How many hours is it? Oh fuck the power myth with bill meyers It's like a six part and each part is like an hour so six hours Oh, that's not that big the hero's journey though hero's journey book is a fucking it's not book or that's a ref them But that I've I've had that for 10 years now and I'm still reading it Exactly So that was pissed and I was like fuck. I just need to find a and it's deep like you need to understand so many mythological, uh Motifs and models and it's not a it's not a binary read. It's a very deep read Anyway, I was like, look I want I want this information 20 minutes. Yeah Okay Invasion about it. So I wanted you to there's a great documentary. I let let me let me pull this up called, uh, it really some um The heroes journey really well And it makes it simple with animation and it's in that and everything else Um, there we go crash course world of mythology I think there's like a part one part two or something like that I'm going to it's dope Yeah, yeah crash course mythology And it's really great. It's it breaks it down like pretty like straightforward. I think there's a couple parts to it. Um But yeah, it's I'm down. This is something that I would uh I would watch again just to understand what it is and also gives you a very clear understanding of what Like how you can apply this into your own life. Hmm. I just got a lot of Yeah, I always tell people Joseph Campbell in my uh, my eyes has been the most uh him and young in uh, schopenhauer Probably like form the most of my Thought my thoughts and I the way that how I view the world Oh Yeah Yeah, it just makes sense. It's like not complicated. Like I get it Yeah Yeah um Yeah, that that kind of stuff that kind of stuff That's why I love the internet so much. Like this is such a powerful source of of information There are like a fire hose of information that you can bring from this Yeah, the problem is filtering, you know, I made a video not too long ago talking about Aristotle's filter test Is it is it that is it true? Is it good? Yes useful? Mm-hmm. That's exactly it And it's also like There is too much information As you mentioned like a fire hose And then all of us obviously have cognitive biases and we are shaped and formed due to our upbringing and due to our circle of influence And obviously due to where we live and so I had this talk with cistler. He was on my show like a couple of days ago Yeah, we went deep in on like a human cognition. Um, and understanding like Yeah him and hey, we had a good show. Yeah, he's great. Um And so it's like how do you break the uh Cognitive biases. Well second deluxe is one it shatters your ego and you have no choice to like it's like You can you can it doesn't always Well, if you do a hero's journey, bro, I've had some fucking interesting trips where I like straight punch in your face and it's like, okay Hero's hero's dose Yeah, is five grams of psilocybin mushrooms. Yeah Well, what was paul stammer's story? He did like fucking 15 and went on top of a hilt and his stuttering stopped. He's like neuro genesis Some 17 grams or some Fuck I don't think I've ever done seven the most I've probably done was 10 10 wet 10 what is like more like three four dry? Yeah, 10 wet and then dry it had five I don't like wet It dries dries more accurate But my worst trip was three uh three grams in shroom tea That's it nothing else had alcohol and mixture of everything else. It wasn't just shroom tea Right And it was a such crazy it was crazy trip, bro. It was like in uh, Fuck it was in the city in in the lake here on uh bala. No, not bala Was it bala? No, um Grand bend ontario It was retarded, but what caused the bad trip I don't fucking know man the setting was good the setting was good It was on the beach or jamming we had all these cottages and like the crazy music and like But we're pounding back to rock a hardcore and I'm smoking Bro, we've been tricky for days Fucking calculating we talking about this is a fucking bender, bro. It's like Fucking long weekend bender a grand bend nevermind never fucking all in bro. This is like This is comatose level And then like, you know three grams of the shroom tea and shrug that shit back And uh crazy man, I locked myself in the closet. No not the closet I locked myself in the room the size of a closet In a smaller little shitty cottage shack And like oh, but I knew exactly what's going on. That was a cool thing. It's like I know I'm tripping I know what's going on and then people showing up. I'm like, yo just fuck off Like leave me alone. I need to uh Buy time and to to and you know, I got through that one. I just lay down Looked at the ceiling and I started breathing and what saved me believe we're not doing that trip and this is why like shamans really know how to Take you through the process In the background there was like a crazy club was the bass was coming And so basically I was following the rhythm of the bass To try to put me in a meditative state and it worked Yeah, man, I follow the music like I really I incorporated the music into me. I could feel the vibration of like And that kind of that rhythm the rhythm of the beat It kind of saved me like it took me from like, yo, this is fucked to like, okay I got this on the control give you some stability some consistency. Yeah a sense of of of stability and and comfort and rhythm It was comforting the rhythm. So you you could hang on to that to what you can hang on to this one thing in the universe That was stable and consistent and helped you kind of move through the experience. Yep Yeah So you look at shamans, you know, they have the the music and the humming and the hymns like they take you through They know what they need to do at the right time to take you through the process Yeah, it's uh, ayahuasca shamans called ikaros ikaros right the Chanting and the music and music You know on any psychedelic experience and i'm sure you can you can testify to this as well on any psychedelic experience Okay, it's it's the music is felt at a whole different level. Oh, fuck. Yeah You get like Music and psychedelics together Two thumbs up You know, that's uh, it's a really cool thing It's uh, it can be life-changing like you can connect with with things much deeper and much more powerful than you ever could Recommend that shit. Yeah, man Cool. I think we're wrapping up there, man. I think we're doing this like an hour and a half Great Yeah, man. Oh this was fun and Quick shout out if people want to get to know more about you and what you do and All that best resource for them to reach you Yeah, so you can reach me on instagram at ujrandes And if you want to know about some of the work i've done you can check out intelligent change.com or Search for the 500 journal the five minute journal Uh, it's essentially a toothbrush for your mind. We've sold over half a million copies It's a really popular way to get your day as for your day and end your day With a great feeling we have to ferris and a lot of really great influential people using our product And uh, I wish you the best Awesome, brother. Appreciate it. Like always peace