 This 10th year of daily tech news shows made possible by you right there I'm in your ears. Maybe you're Dustin Campbell or Tim deputy or Brandon Brooks or our new patrons Tracy and Drew Welcome on this episode of DTNS Microsoft accidentally uploaded its plans for the next generation of Xbox to a court website Oops, plus soon You'll be able to just walk out of Amazon clothing stores wearing the clothes you want to buy and Charlotte Henry's here to explain the brave new world of free streaming TV This is the daily tech news for Tuesday September 19th 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio garage. Hey, I'm Sarah Lane And I'm the show's producer Roger Chang as I mentioned Charlotte Henry from the addition newsletter is here. Welcome back Charlotte Hello always a pleasure. I love our little monthly check-ins. I'm very pleased to be here And it was nice of the UK to give us news like right before you joined the show. Yeah, I organized I had a word with a good. We've got a couple of UK based things to sort Yeah, go on on the show. So let's drop some guys. Come on guys. That's a that's a stable and functioning society right there Well folks X chairman Elon Musk says a lot of things and the latest thing he said was he's thinking of Moving to having a small monthly payment for use of the X system, which sounds great. Here's what else is in the quick hits Google's Bard that is the company's conversational AI chat service can now connect to your Google apps and services The company announced what it calls Bard extensions in English at least to start which can pull relevant information from Gmail Google Docs Google Drive Google Maps YouTube and even Google flights and hotels information The company says if you do choose to use the extensions your content from Gmail and Docs and Drive Isn't seen by human reviewers. It's not used by Bard to show you ads or used to train the Bard model overall Intel announced it will launch its next generation of chips code name Meteor Lake on December 14th Just in time for holiday shopping Me metro Metro Lake Meteor Lake Meteor Lake will be the first chip from Intel on its Intel for Process which isn't four nanometers, but it's supposed to be equivalent It will also be Intel's first CPU with different chiplets for each component and a dedicated AI Co-processor Intel also says it should be the most power efficient client processor It's made yet and it will support Intel's intelligence graphics upscaler its version of NVIDIA DLSS Which it calls ZXS ex ESS Intel says it will have battery and performance numbers closer to launch We mentioned on Monday show that TSMC still has to send ships it that it manufactures in the US back to Taiwan for packaging before selling them After a meeting with TSMC executives the governor of the US state of Arizona and where TSMC is building plants So they discussed bringing advanced packaging to Arizona as well TSMC's Arizona fabrication plants are expected to begin work in 2025 Yeah, I get those plants online first bring in the advanced packaging but Researchers at trend micro discovered that attackers took a six-year-old windows backdoor known as either Trocolus or you may have seen it referred to as net scout and Combined it with new socks and implementation to create a Linux backdoor that they're calling Sprisocks it can collect system information control a compromised system transfer data Usual backdoor malware stuff the malware is spread with social engineering So if you need to get to a watering holes be careful what you click on out there appears to be operated by a group targeting governments in Asia Trend micro has the IP addresses file hashes and other information if you want to determine if you've been compromised At it's made by Google event happening on October 4th Google is set to announce the pixel watch too. In fact the company has Given us videos of it. They're announcing it 9 to 5 Google sources say though that the watch will include the FitBit FitBit sense to use a electrodermal activity or EDA sensor Which lets the watch track and manage stress levels a temperature monitoring sensor apparently also will check skin temperature on demand Which would even though other watches do something similar Make pixel watch to the first to actually do this on device Google also reportedly will Redesign FitBits app workout UA on the pixel watch to to integrate more closely with Google Fitzware OS app Add new personal safety features and offer real-time translation with Google assistance interpreter All right details about Microsoft's internal conversations have been slowly being reported all over the internet lately Because of public court documents now you may have seen this and thought well, that's odd Why why is Microsoft's filings becoming public when the FTC withdrew its lawsuit on July 20th? Well, they shouldn't have more than a hundred documents were uploaded Friday to a website run by the US district court for the Northern District of California and the United States Federal Trade Commission told NBC News. We didn't do it That's not an exact quote, but they said Microsoft uploaded those documents in error They weren't supposed to be uploaded wasn't the FTC that did it Microsoft has not commented on this Whatever the case the revelations do keep on coming. Do they not Sarah? Yeah, so for example Phil Spencer Send emails back in August of 2020 saying Getting Nintendo would be a career moment, and I honestly believe a good move for both companies. Well, yeah, I mean Microsoft buy Nintendo would be a good get Something to say about it, but sure. Yeah, right Yeah, other emails indicated some other stuff I Quite a data dump here. Microsoft was interested in acquiring Almost any game studio you can think of for example Warner Brothers Interactive Bungie Sega Square Enix among others There were also three-year-old emails showing unannounced games in development including the oblivion Remaster Doom year zero the Fallout 3 remaster a sequel to Ghost Wright Tokyo and Dishonored 3 but the set of documents getting the most attention Were around plans for some next-gen Xbox. Yeah, and these are slides So they certainly are legitimate plans. It doesn't mean that the plans haven't changed since these were made But here's they say one is codename Brooklyn spelled with an I instead of a Y Which would be a series X console with two terabytes of storage So twice what the series X has now Wi-Fi 6e a cylinder design instead of the boxy look no disc that's why you need the extra terabyte and Listed at the same price as the current series X $499 on the slide they say they indicated would come in June 2024 so June next year there was also a slide for an updated controller codename Sebyl se bile sebel sebel With precision haptic feedback modular thumbsticks some kind of direct cloud feature That one was listed as coming May 2024 and there were a few details about the next generation of Xbox in 2028 That's the most intriguing one. It would support cloud hybrid games So Microsoft Flight Simulator is an example of this now it's running locally, but it pulls a lot of its weather data and things from the cloud and the idea seems to be that Hardware would handle displaying main characters It would run direct X to do ray tracing and stuff like that But the cloud would deliver background elements other kinds of data There's an indication that they might consume multiple console models with varying degrees of reliance on cloud including a thin OS client which would be almost entirely in the cloud and Could be a hand-held handheld game that they would sell for 99 bucks All of this information is a year or more old at this point But Sarah given all of these things we talked about how did this get uploaded by mistake teeth? That was my first question like okay, just Assuming that everyone at Microsoft knows what they're doing. This was just one of those errors that Nobody could predict would happen, but why? Apparently, this is a PDF thing You know, there's a lot of talk out there of like why would Microsoft do this? Do they just not know what they're doing? Did they assign an intern to all of this? No, okay So assuming that that's not the case apparently One of the scenarios that I read online was Sometimes if you attach a PDF to an email for example and that email ends up being something that is needed to be, you know Uploaded to some FTC server, right? And there are multiple extensions and you say well pick this one, but not the other ones Sometimes when it's a PDF, they all get compounded together And you end up with a big data dump that you might not have originally wanted recipient to get Because we're trying to upload one thing and then accidentally everything else got included. Is that yeah? The person who has explained this said this has happened to me with acrobat reader before So that is something to keep in consideration I think we're gonna probably hear more about this as other people come forward and say this also happened to me But but yeah, I think I think there is no way that Microsoft was like ha ha. Let's just leak this Not do this on purpose. This was a big mistake and it was it wasn't in competency there It was it's something like what you're talking about that makes sense to me I just spend the whole time when we've been talking about this story and like reading about this story Feeling so terrible for the person who was responsible for uploading or sharing these Like we've all done that thing where you send an email about a person to the person You're writing about or share something that was meant to be private with your colleagues to public whatever We've all made those kind of mistakes and you know that feeling of your stomach just dropping out Can you imagine what this poor person went through there is no control Z for some parts of life There are certain scenarios where it's like, okay, this person was You know going through their email too fast, you know, it was user error You know, we've all been there. This sounds a little different almost to the point where people are like, hey heads up everybody PDFs can can't do some weird stuff and that's where the FTC is like Thank you for this embarrassment of riches, but we didn't do this I don't even think it helps the FTC because they already withdrew the case. So that Not because of this this was all stuff that was in the court cases anyway, yeah, you know what I mean So this was all part of discovery. It was just public outrage or you know, you could even call it that way, I guess I guess it's still over. Hmm. Yeah Well, what's not over the development of just walkout Technology Amazon uses that in its convenience stores and grocery stores with ceiling mounted cameras and sensors That track items as you walk around the store So it knows what you take with you when you leave so it can charge you properly This doesn't work for everything for example in the whole foods that I have gone through that uses this The bananas have to all be packaged together and they all have to be I think it's six bananas Because otherwise it's too hard to track individual bananas It also doesn't work for clothing because clothing is floppy and it's hard to tell what shape it is not to mention You really don't want to have a system of cameras and sensors in a business that requires people to go into fitting rooms and Change their clothes So you're not gonna get clothing stores to put a series of cameras up on the ceiling However, Amazon thinks it has a solution, right? Yeah So it's introduced a new version of just walkout for clothing stores that uses RFID chips So stores already use little RFID chips to manage inventory This is pretty common practice, especially if you're you know a larger store that that Moves a bunch of merch instead of tracking items throughout the store in this case Amazon customers would walk through a gate that can read the RFID chips on their way out Even if the customers like wearing a new outfit They would all be scanned because you have to go out a certain way Amazon tried the system for clothing sold at a few Seattle Kraken hockey games earlier this year and is now launched for Seattle Seahawks NFL games This I got the Iq with this story even when you explain that actually there's not gonna be the system of cameras It's obviously it's a new system. There's something about this that I look I think that just walkout technology is amazing It really is for things like food and those kind of things. It's been it is amazing. Although it's noticeable It's not a huge amount. Maybe this is a London and England thing I'm not noticing a huge number of Amazon stores popping up. But anyway, no, that's true here, too Yeah, they're they're not widespread and what I have noticed and this bears on this story Is Amazon pulling its four-star stores its bookstores But it did open a clothe a few clothing stores factors one in Glendale that I that I've been to So it does feel like Amazon's maybe shifting its focus to clothing and retail The announcement was not like hey the whole ceiling camera thing didn't work for us This is here's how we're going to be able to handle the apparel part of you know Including third-party retail stores. Yeah, they don't have to be Amazon branded. I You know my first reaction to this is endless and I am not a crook, but You know, how how would this be circumvented because if you don't go through that RFID scanner at the end Then you technically didn't steal all that stuff that you stole But I mean, you know, that's I mean theft is always a problem in retail stores So this perhaps is a better way to handle it. I think Especially at like, you know hockey and football games Great example of how this works. It sounds like they've had pretty good success Yeah, I can't report and and you know certain event venues where people are kind of in there for a certain purpose They want to get in and out quick Every concert I've been to that has one of these convenience stores with the just walkout technology has been broken Like it it's never it's never working. They always have a person at the end like yeah, sorry No, we have to ring you up. So I'm not sure what's going on there. It's probably it's probably just my personal experience, but Forgive me. This is if this is a stupid question But at what point do these RFID tags go for one of a better phrase offline? So if you're getting a piece of clothing you buy a piece of clothing and You obviously have to clip out the tag at some point or that has to go offline at some point the tag Because otherwise, you know, none of us would want something in our claim that we bought from Amazon that's You've got RFID chips in your clothes right now almost to it. Yeah, so so that's that's not new The the I don't know though if the chips are in the tags or if they're in the clothes themselves That was one of my questions too. I've never really I understand RFID. I've never really thought about How my clothes might be I Don't know if you're really gonna be a conspiracy theorist potentially tracks. Yeah, you know, I wear them throughout the world Kind of thing. I mean, that's not a huge concern of mine, but it is a concern if it's possible This is one of those stories though where it's all things the theft the tracking It's all things that exist right now. It's just the fact that we put Amazon's name on the story That makes everybody think about it and go, well, wait a minute. I don't know if I want that Oh, if people gonna try to rip it off I feel like it's it's actually gonna reduce theft Because right now with a retail clothing store, you can just walk out without paying You just need to figure out how to keep the security tag from going off All this is doing is saying hey, that's security system. That's keeping you from walking out and the alarm going off We'll now just charge you. Well, it'll just automatically charge you So it almost is like well, you can't walk out without paying because we're gonna scan the clothes and charge you Yeah, I'm picturing do you remember those old Big gray tags that used to have sometimes in shops that someone on the desk would have to like punch out of the Oh, yeah, they'll still exist. Yeah, exactly. So the day This is obviously a bit neater and smarter and cleverer than that. Yeah, but You know still seeing issues of like what happens if the tag well, maybe you get luck in the tag Doesn't look and you get your clothes for free because obviously with the old school system The problem would be you'd get to the desk thing you paid and some shop assistant left the tag in your clothes. Yeah Well folks, we know a lot of you are Android users If you haven't already subscribed you got to check out Android faithful with Android aficionados Ron Richards went to a Dow and all the latest Android news and information catch it Tuesdays at 8 p.m. Eastern 5 p.m Pacific live or get it at your leisure on your schedule at Android faithful The UK's public sector broadcasters like the BBC itv Channel 4 and Channel 5 are launching a new digital service called Freely to deliver live TV over broadband freely is being developed by Everyone TV. That's the name of the organization that provides TV without cost in the UK and is jointly owned by the aforementioned broadcasters Everyone TV has a three-year funding deal from those partners which is meant to cover the launch cost of the service Marketing push so people understand how everything works and the service freely will be built into next-gen smart TVs Starting next year if you've got an old TV and you have other options, but listen if you live in the UK You probably have a pretty decent understanding of how public broadcasting like the BBC for example works But for the rest of us Charlotte the UK does work independently in this way So how does this change the way that people consume free content? Yeah, so obviously the context of public service broadcasting in the UK to basically watch live tip for intense purposes to watch TV in the UK You need to pay the license fee. It's a hundred fifty nine pound a year. I always say it's the best service subscription I ever pay streaming subscription I ever pay because it covers so so much But anyway, that's a different conversation What's going on here is as you explained Sarah is that these public service broadcasters? So BBC's the BBC which is one two that's got three and four as well ITV Which is for old school is channel three and then channels four and five are combining for this service And I when I was reading about it I really like this idea because basically as you said it's going to be built in to you know updated smart TVs Which is great, but it's going to provide things like a Scrolling service, you know to proper TV guide the ability to jump between channels of things like that Because obviously now if you just want to get your TV provided by the internet say you want to use I don't know You've got the apps for all those public service broadcasters, but you're not watching on TV You kind of have to jump between the apps, you know, you don't have that scrolling Jumping from one channel to the other. Oh, I quite like that. That's on yeah It sounds almost like what Pluto TV has been doing Making a you know giving you a Channel guide that you know, otherwise you had to kind of hunt for before a proper channel guide You're staying in one place, which I think is really nice All those kind of things and obviously between these broadcasts. They have a hell of a lot of content I believe there's an on-demand element as well, but it's not going to replace things like the BBC iPlayer Which obviously is a very very popular service. I personally is one of the best Streaming apps out there works really really well. I think it's quite underappreciated But so this is putting all of that in one place what it is Replacing or is an update on is free view which you used to like when I was a student eight million years ago To get free view TV I had to buy a box and plug it into the little TV in my student dorm room, you know And that gave you a whole host of channels instead of just the one two and three That was actually going to be my question because I I know that The the partners who are part of the you know, everyone TV initiative say well, okay If you you know starting in smart TVs in 2024, this will be built in it'll be great if you don't happen to have one of those TVs you could still get some sort of a External box I would think to be able to enjoy the rest of this I mean so many so many people myself included already do that and you know, yeah, that's the deal Yeah, I don't know what the hardware side will be but obviously they'll still be things like as I said the BBC iPlayer They'll still be itv's equivalent of that which is called itv x there will still be the channel for player There's still gonna be the channel five, you know those still stand-alone apps as I understand it having dug into this a little bit Will still exist But this is trying to make it easier for when you By plugging your TV and this should all be that I think is the basic vibe The important thing to note is this is being delivered over the internet for board-bank connected homes So that's because there's a bit of I haven't had a chance to dig too much into this but there's looking to be some changes to the old free view system and potentially shutting down or selling off some of the frequency so That I think the idea is basically to try and move people to internet Connected services as opposed to old-school terrestrial services, you know over-the-air services For me, I kind of think this all makes sense actually. I really like the idea That it's a service bringing everything together, but you're not jumping between apps You know, you might not be using a traditional TV system, but you're not jumping through apps Which you know what it's like sometimes you think oh, I'll just start on this and I'm in Netflix and then I'm in Netflix, but sometimes like you want to jump between channels and this will be a place to do it Yeah, also, you know think of things like Samsung TV plus which I have on my TVs at home It's a pretty like there's some good stuff on there I watched CNN through that for example, but it's also a pretty clunky experience It's mostly filled with stuff that streamers and broadcasters just want to find a way to get anyone to pay anything for Like it's not great content. This is going to be substantive content It seems like a good way to just To ease people into a world where internet is like electricity It's just something you pay for you you have to have electricity to watch TV too, right? But nobody gets mad like oh, you're making pensioners pay for electricity to watch their television Internet's becoming like that in a world where the internet is just normal for every household This is a great way to ease that transition. I like yeah I'm glad you mentioned the pensioner thing because I think there is a bit of a campaign and a backlash Where there are concerns about what older people who are used to a today terrestrial TV setup will do And whenever we made these transitions, I guess you always have to bear that in mind But there's no doubt of the direction of travel for all the, you know TV services that we use and it seems to me freely is moving in that direction I would suggest it's the right direction. I would suggest it's moving freely in that direction. Oh, Tom Get it, but maybe I shouldn't instead. Let's check out the mail bag We got some good responses to Setting apps to use your own voice This is iOS 17 related from our discussion with Justin Marbury young and Chris Mancini yesterday Specifically the carrot weather app letting you use your own voice or maybe a celebrity's voice to tell you the weather Mark wrote in and said I get that all of this on device is to improve security But what happens when you move or upgrade to a new device these companies ever talk about that? What if you decide you want to train the voice to be a loved one? Maybe it's a parent-grandparent significant other whatever. This is some someone that is no longer with us What if I want to get my device trained by a loved one who's not nearby or easily accessible? Is there the ability for somebody to send the 15-minute training as recording to me asks mark What about if I decide to get an iPad after training my phone? Can I share the training with my iPad mark says Apple Google and Microsoft? Never tend to talk about this when they rave about how secure on-device features are to protect your privacy There's just no winning is there everybody complains that it's in the cloud And they're gonna spy and then they put it on the device and then you complain and then they say you can't transfer The the good news for mark though is that you the reason they don't talk about it a lot is it's just part of the migration So if you move from device to device it can move good question about whether it's easily movable to an iPad If you wanted to do that that that's that's a great question. I imagine it could and should be without having to be in the cloud The idea of having someone who's not nearby send training Yes, that is not something easily as easily done But it wouldn't be as easily done even with the cloud because you'd have to have them log into your account and do do stuff like that So I feel like the better Solution there is to just have them record something and send you the recording and then you play the recording we we got a We got a recording that Allison Sheridan did of her training and I have to say it doesn't really sound like her Do you want to hear a little bit of it? Yeah Do it Okay, here you go. I Think it's gonna be playing any moment now We're not maybe it won't That's why it doesn't sound like her. Yeah, it just sounds like silence. Yeah, it's like, you know Allison just is Sounds smarter than silence. This is such an interesting issue though, isn't it? This is Allison's personal voice created using iOS 17 the training to create this voice required reading 150 short phrases with a pause in between each so it took quite a bit of time the phrases were out in that they were about just a few things The included political institutions with sentences like he was in the US Senate for 12 years There were a lot of years called out like this happened in the 1970s and finally the creed it kind of goes in that way for a while It's just I'm gonna say, you know having spent enough time with Allison This does sound like Allison you can tell that it's yeah, it's machine-generated, but to to your point mark I You know, I think your mileage may vary when it comes to wanting, you know People who are inaccessible to you because they're you know, they don't they're not living anymore Or they're just like super far away, you know, it could be something that brings you, you know happiness or Or something else, but this is not bad Yeah, and Mark's not alone. There were a lot of more than a few people who wrote in saying I don't want to hear myself read the weather, but I would like to hear grandma grandpa mom dad Etc. A lot of people talking about you know, yeah, thanks everybody who wrote in about that No, I could do Thing really interesting particularly in the context where I'm thinking of AI and The fears or otherwise Around how our voices could or may well be Distorted or used in different ways and how you know there can be We know that it's gonna be possible It kind of is already possible isn't it to have voice recordings that prepare for port to be you but are not used It's gonna be the same is the same with video I can understand that even with the Inconveniences it may cause why the tech companies are really really approaching this cautiously I can I'm seeing it more in that context of As opposed to like wouldn't it be nice to have X or Y family member read the weather to me? 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