 Fuck I'm good. How are you buddy? Man, I can't complain Just just chillin man down in Florida. Are you living Florida? Well, I'm I live in between Jackson Hole and in Florida. I grew up in Florida. So I'm this I'm down here visiting my dad but we kind of my wife and I kind of Have a place in in Wyoming, and then we kind of shift home base down to here for the winter. So Jackson Hole is nice. You ever see Nikki six out there? um He's out there. I know I I've seen him at the store once but no, I haven't ever like hung out with him But I mean our friends or some of our friends know him and stuff. So yeah, you're out visiting Yeah, how's your dad doing man? He's good, man. He's uh He's hanging in there, you know, I mean he's getting older. So he's he's not in you know, perfect shape But he's he's his spirits are are high, you know See if they don't play live again or no Probably not now. Yeah What a bummer man. Yeah guys, uh, I guys a high watermark for me, man I've seen a many many many times man. Oh my one of the greats man for sure Oh my god, that's fucking putting it mildly and it's funny because I uh was listening to your record, which by the way mad fantastic record You have got a debut solo record coming out and uh, what is it precious? What is it wild and precious? And wild and precious life. Yeah. Yeah, it came out actually uh in july, but yeah, it's out right now I just heard it uh last night Sent it over to me and I was like wow, this is a fucking great record and talk about uh I mean, you know, I'm good friends with jacob dillon and there's that thing Of you know, the the star's child that kind of thing like oh well They can't be good if their dad's this one or whatever, but there's these um That's that's a bad fucking No, shouldn't have And I think it's just because people just think that automatically but jacob Carved his own career and wrote amazing songs and I'm listening to this record And it is fucking smoking and you're coming from you know Your father being dicky bets and the almond brothers And being around that you could either rebel against that where you're like, ah fuck that. That's my dad's shit I'm in a hip hop or whatever or you can get it You know, you know, I like hip hop I like hip hop too, but I don't think I'm you know, I don't think I'm much of a rapper But I I like a lot of I like a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with with um that music, you know with my dad's music, but You know, I mean I uh I am who I am so I just try to be authentic to you know What's ingrained in me and how I play, you know is not Totally different than that, you know I mean, I suppose I could make like a I could do a goth record my next record I could do like Start singing like uh You know Robert Smith or something and you know, and I love that stuff like I love the cure I love, you know, but it's just not that's not me, you know It's amazing though how authentic this record sounds and uh, it just it was blowing my mind last night. I was listening to a man. I I love it. I mean, that's what that's what we wanted to Get across was just you know really kind of capturing the essence of Of the the sound and the and the songs and the story and the feeling Of um, you know, it has kind of an old florida kind of you know, because my family my dad and his granddad and you know come from Kind of my family that side of the family has been down here for a while and you know, I recorded the record At Derek and susan's uh Derek trucks and susan tedeschi's place up in Jacksonville Because that's north of where I am right now. That's in like northern florida, but um So yeah, I mean it kind of has that kind of That bloodline running through it. Um But um, there's a lot of different flavors on it Oh man, I mean, you know, it's got the soul of bruce guys, you know It's it's just in there and what's really amazing to me is I know you did it on two inch tape and everything but you really captured just the authentic tones And uh, the whole the whole flavor of a great 70s record, you know Yeah, I mean we just I mean you get a bunch of good musicians in a room and and just get Try to capture the magic and try to capture great performances, you know and That's kind of how we went about it. Um, I don't think it's there's a right way or a wrong way, but that's kind of How it it set itself up to be I just had a lot of confidence in that in The rhythm section and the musicians as a whole to Just get a lot of it on the spot, you know, and and you know some songs really kind of yearn for capturing capturing it live, um, you know when you have a jam and and you kind of want to capture The interplay between the musicians on the spot and other tunes can kind of, you know You can go in and recut the solos and it and that kind of makes more sense, but um But yeah, I mean we had a lot of fun making it, you know, I had Tyler Greenwell from Tadeski Trucks band and Uh on drums and and then Barry Dwayne Oakley on bass and Johnny Johnny Statuella on guitar john ginty on keyboards and uh, then a whole bunch of guests so It's it's so cool that You know all of the almond brothers kids actually can play are there any that suck because I haven't seen any that You know what I mean like no, I mean I don't think so. I think um I think everybody has their their uh definitely has their place as a you know Some of us have different strengths and and than others, you know, like but we all are Um No, none of them suck That's my final answer. No, they're really I mean there aren't the ones that the so I mean they just don't play I mean, I don't know who you know, I can't name all the kids. I mean, I don't really care but But there's a lot of a lot of them that That play and their talents and that's nice, you know, yeah, it's amazing. Also, you got, you know, you got, uh graced with the voice too because Uh, like we all know you can learn the guitar and stuff, but If you don't have the voice then, you know, you're kind of screwed and then you're a great Singer Well, it's better to have I mean if you can write Sing and play then I mean, that's That's a triple threat. I mean, I'm working on and I started singing much later and I'm still trying to learn how to sing Um It now I get playing guitar is comes a lot more naturally to me. I'm more comfortable, but I love Um Yeah, I mean it's not about being like the most Technically great singer, but I mean you just want to learn how to deliver the songs and get the get the point and the sentiment and the Raw emotion across and that's that's what's really important You know, I mean you want it to be like In pitch and stuff, you don't want to just be completely out of key, but um But yeah, like a town's van zant, you know, he's you know, somebody that has great words not the Great singer, but it's just It's so Authentic and it's real, you know, and there's people that can kind of sing a little bit that don't Don't have that quality. So yeah, man. It's like tom waits. He's not fucking, you know, it's not going to be on the voice You know, but he's That's so much goddamn soul and vibe coming out You know, I saw nick kabe last week and you know the guy when he opens his mouth You're just like i'm fucking in, you know, it's just amazing. Exactly. Yeah, it's just it just draws you right in So yeah, I mean those guys are would be like the top of Like the example that we're giving the like That's the definition of it or people like that. So I mean you have a long way to get to before um You know, you can be tom waits, but uh, but yeah, that's what you strive for you strive to Just bam like draw them in with a great song and the voice is it's like it draws them right in and so yeah, I mean that's something I tried to work on and I think uh I think the I think the the growth is is is uh Is evident You know, I think people that followed have followed me, you know, they could probably See some growth in that and that department, you know I mean, I first heard about you years ago from white star, you know, I was oh, yeah That's out there. Yeah, man And there were bands like white star and star gun shooters bands There were these bands that had like these kind of uh star children. They're all yeah playing rock It was kind of like a a malibu slash hollywood scene going on, you know Yeah, white star was very white star was a lot of fun and and it was a good rock and roll band but We uh, we were on atlantic when I was in the band I left the band after the band kind of took a break and then I went on it and started playing with my dad Uh, and kind of didn't go back to la when the band reformed and there was uh There was a lot of stuff going on around that time and I was in my 20s and I was dealing with addiction and you know, um You know, there's a lot of fun had During that time, but it was definitely like a malibu slash hollywood uh Band that I mean that was like definitely that's a good way of putting it I was in a band before that called backbone and Alex Orbison Roy Orbison son who was in white star We both were in um and damon webb too. He he doesn't have a famous uh musician father, but he is uh um I mean, it's It's not as noteworthy, but he uh He was in backbone as well and was in white star. Um, so us three Alex damon and myself were You know kind of had a nice little run there with two bands the first band broke up because our I mean, I don't want to bum everybody out, but our singer passed away in a car accident But that was a really great band backbone was was a really great band. We made one record In nashville and it's on spotify. It's it's very like underground. It's not people don't really know about it, but chris was like a Like if if white star was a malibu slash hollywood or hollywood slash Malibu band Backbone was a malibu slash malibu band and and when I say malibu People don't really know You know malibu now is a bit different than what like It's kind of uh to explain Like what people call old malibu, you know is You kind of have to just know what that is you can't I couldn't really explain it, but it's not like mansions and Mercedes-Benz is it's like you know riding horses to the bank and you know doing mushrooms Yeah, those surfing under a full moon and driving hot rods and you know And it's kind of an anti hollywood You know thing that those kids had and and we were all kids then so it was kind of cool So here I am coming from florida But I also grew up in malibu. I I moved there when I was 12 So I had roots there too and then I came back here and Grew up with touring with my dad through my high school years and my mom lived out In la and I visited and go back and forth, but anyway It led me back to malibu and I had a great time and I still have So many friends there and consider at home even though I don't have a place there right now I absolutely love it. I mean, you know malibu 20 25 years ago, you know, it's like the malibu in Chris Robinson Exactly. Yeah, those were the days and I mean people will even say before that were the days, but I mean for me, I mean the summer of 1999 was like Was one for the ages, you know, it doesn't really get much better um You know, it was it was like we had our tribe and wherever We went we all went it was all for one one for all. So it was it was a good time, but you know, um I mean, I'm glad that when I think about malibu. I think about tom petty I think about the wheelbarries and I think about neo young on the beach When I yeah out there I forever feel those vibes in me and chris robinson's You know solo band not crb, but um the one he did after black crows When he was out there and you know all of that out there it's just That old school vibe, you know people like you said they've got like vintage cars They're they rarely wear shoes But not It's just kind of like freedom out there. It's wild Yeah, yeah, that's the vibe. Yeah, so you know it and people probably get that that, you know Sometimes people get it get it They just think it's all I mean it is a lot of rich people Yeah, you do have to have a lot of money to like buy a house there But you know, I mean a lot of my friends I mean they've lived there since the their family's got property in the 1940s or something and They're not They're I mean one of my friends his mom was like a drag racer And they have like, you know, they grew weed on their property and like but meanwhile they have this like They have this acre of of land in malibu like with an ocean view worth god knows how much you know And it's just like a full-on You know, it's like I mean, that's how it is, you know, they they got to land early Yeah, don't don't hate on the people because they uh They wanted to live away from, you know, the lunacy of hollywood But be a stunts through a way, you know, it's it's always been magic and I feel like there's so much There's something out there, man That creates incredible music spilling off to panga canyon and all of that that whole area and I do respect a lot of the kids that grew up out there because a lot of them did shit with their lives They could have just cashed in on, you know, living off their parents money But instead, you know, a lot of them became musicians and actors and and went on to make great fucking shit, man Yeah, I mean I don't I mean You know, I I My mom always used to say, I mean, I was I grew up in florida, you know, which is a lot. I didn't grow up in in the la world You know, but I do know it really well I have spent a lot of my time out there and I do I did come up in malibu and and I was around that and I know You know, my mom always used to say, I mean, I'm you know, well, you know Dwayne's pretty low on the totem. I mean some of the people's Parents are like super uber famous, you know what I mean? And it's like You know, I mean, it's like And how you know really Wealthy and and and so that was never um Quite the world that I was my reality. I mean, I'm not to say I'm not very fortunate and very blessed, but you know, um So yeah, I mean I would look and and yeah, you see some of the people They just don't have to work and they don't do anything and don't need to and they just go surfing and that's great, you know um And then but you're right a lot of a lot of people Did do a lot of great shit and um, you know I mean my Francisco Adler is somebody who works really hard and always is coming up with a new idea and is You know his his father obviously You know did really well and and they have they have, you know They have means but you know, he's he's a hard worker and he's somebody that I really respect that Kind of grew up in Malibu who but is always doing something always creating always working and so um, you know Alex Orbison, I mean I have a lot of friends that uh lifelong friends that are And the the bottom line is I mean we didn't really Back in those days. I mean we didn't really care like Who had who's what your parents did or I mean it was just all about You know the hanging and and good vibes. It wasn't about um No one really cared, you know Yeah, other people seem to care more than than we did. We didn't give a damn, you know When you were young And you you know, you're growing up obviously around your dad. You're out, you know Sometimes I guess I would imagine out on almond brothers tours and stuff at what point do you say? You know what I want to start playing guitar Oh, that's a good question. Um, I actually And I've gone over this like a lot of times but since we've never spoken you wouldn't know but I started out as a drummer when I was like Super young like five six years old my dad had a ukulele and he put a ukulele in my hands and You know tried to move my my little fingers around and to show me some stuff And I just it seemed incredibly difficult and I didn't want anything to do with it and I told him I wanted to play drums so He got me a little makeshift drum kit from the rehearsal space they had and Some like, you know, just miscellaneous drums that weren't being used and threw together something for me and I started playing and I practiced religiously and got really good at it and um You know Started sitting in with with his band, you know with the almond brothers, you know, of course there's two drummers so you don't have to You know Hold the whole thing together as the drummer, you know, so it was a it was a lot less pressure Then say stepping up later when I would step up and do a guitar solo for the first time in the spotlight You know, that's a that's a lot more pressure um But yeah, so I I played drums until I was about 13 and then when I was 13 I switched over to guitar Once I started playing with some some of my buddies in florida Once I moved back to florida We had like a little garage band and we'd practice every weekend And I'd play drums and they'd play guitar and then we'd take a break and I Kind of started seeing what they were doing. I was like, I think I can do I can do that what they're doing and I started picking stuff up and Then it just became a a passion just listening to records and learning and and and You know learning stuff by ear and Then I sat in with almond brothers when I was 15 for the first time I'm out in jail call around And um got a few of those sit-ins under my belt and then it went from there You know start sitting in more pretty frequently and then by the time I was 18 I was out in out in california again and then I like I said I I joined backbone and then um You know and so so forth and so on but um, but yeah, I I definitely You know It was really really privileged. I'm not I'm pretty But where of that, you know being around my dad and and also Warren Haynes every night during the time I was out Warren was in the band. It was my dad and Warren were the guitar players And um, you know, I'd asked Warren stuff and I just listening to them every night um really kind of Rubbed off on me. Hopefully in some good ways, but That Warren era man. I must have seen him maybe 20 times. I was just that's really where You know, of course the the first wave with de wayne and and all that Was, you know, I was too too young but by the time Warren gets in and soul shine comes out Then it's yeah, man. It's just mocked to for me that what was that the You know the second set or whatever the the two albums that are blue and or are red Yeah, well, they call they call that there's like a nickname that the fans give to that era. It's like the Uh, I can't play it's like the golden era Uh like Mock to Yeah, like yeah, whatever you want to call it. Yeah, they call they have a name for it I guess the golden era would be like the Yeah, the first The the the research. I mean we call it the resurgence The golden era of the resurgence, but But yeah, I mean Yeah, I mean we could go on talking about that band for you know I'm yeah for hours. I know a lot about it, but you know Yeah, yeah so Once you you know start playing guitar Were you were you destined to try were you listening to other styles and stuff or was it like? Oh, I was listening to everything. Yeah, I mean I was listening to I mean a lot of what I was listening to around that time was contemporary Well, I was listening to a lot of stuff But some of what I was listening to was the contemporary stuff that was just coming out like rock Like nirvana and smashing pumpkins. I mean that was the stuff that was coming out that I was drawn to um as You know a 13 14 year old kid, you know And before that, I mean I went through it like a metal phase and you know, I was always in the rap You know, I liked to run DMC You know when I was like seven and You know, I like You know, I I mean, I don't know what my earliest stuff was but But when I started playing guitar, yeah, I was really into nirvana and and allison chains and all of that You know, billy corgan and the pumpkins were probably my number one But I was really into a lot of the shoe gaze like kind of dream pop like alternative stuff And uh weasel I wasn't so into but I I mean weasel is great, but I wasn't religious about them, but um But yeah, I mean I was also listening to alberking and stevie ray von and freddy king and you know John Coltrane and miles davis and jango ryanhardt and You know pink obviously all the classic rock stuff, you know, I was listening to the beetles and pink floyd and Um You know And I you know, I mean you get in a funk and then I was listening to Went down a funk rabbit hole Uh an r&b, you know, you know like 60s sold music to You just go and listen to everything pretty much there was a year where I just listened to curtis mayfield only Curtis mayfield I I picked up um It was a uh, it might have been a seed. I don't know if it was a tape or a cd It was probably a cd because I was I was listening to cds at this point. Um But it was a it was like a the cheap bin it was like a on sale thing and it was the It was the live at the curtis live live at the bitter end And that one changed me like that one just here in that band and and the way They played together. Um Just kind of sounded like they were all just sitting on stools. It was kind of like And then later bill withers lined that Carnegie hall is another never kind of had that that same kind of Like they're all close together sitting on stools and it sounds like that both of those sound like that. Um McCurtis is one of my favorites You know, it's not real even the stuff with the impressions the everything um And I've you get to I mean there's there's records that they do later that you know I mean, it's like any band some of the records you're not quite as um Maybe you have your favorites and maybe you have ones that aren't quite you don't dig quite as much but there's there's still yeah, I mean You know, he did a lot of stuff and and there's still More to uncover, you know, I I still have yet to uncover There's stuff that I probably should listen to is what I'm trying to say Yeah, I mean you get the Curtis Mayfield box set and you are you were done, you know Well, I had that when I was 16. So I already did that but um But uh, yeah that when you go and listen to the actual records that he put out like um, I don't know the names of all of them, but but um Yeah, Curtis is great. Um Marvin Kay, I mean You can just go on and on Yeah, I mean a lot of that has to do with uh That florida, you know, it's you know, they call it southern rock or whatever, but it's really It's kind of southern soul rock to me. It has so much gospel and r&b In all my brother's band is a lot more southern soul Than say linard skinner, you know linard skinner it's more Uh, I don't know. I mean, yeah, they both sound southern. I mean, but yeah, the They I mean, I guess if you're talking and like really Wide terms, I mean, it's the same kind of music, but it's definitely a different It's a different a different thing. You know, it's a lot different actually, but Yeah, yeah, well the almond brothers are the holy grail. So it's just, you know Uh, yeah, they play they play different. I mean, they just they just do it's just different. They approach them But man early early skinner The skinner band man, they were I never liked skinnered until I it's funny. I never Got into them until I moved to malibu until I started hanging out with all these surfers in malibu that love skinnered Yeah, around when I was like 19 When I started when I joined backbone basically is when I got really into skinnered. I was like, oh, yeah, this this shit is great You're right you know, because I always looked at it like It's like, why does my dad's been get lumped in with them? Like they're different, you know the almond brothers are way more like psychedelic and like sophisticated like You know and I've like this kind of a little bit of a grateful dead thing like mixed in with like their style and And I was like and learn skinner. It's not that and then you know when I grew up. I was like, you know Yeah, these these guys in malibu just religiously were listening to skinnered and like hendrix and And whatever there's a lot of great music, but I was like, okay. Yeah, they're great I love them both. I love them both. But you know how lazy people are lazy, you know, it's like grunge They just call anything grunge that came out in 91 92 whatever, you know, it's They gotta they gotta have some kind of label to sell it, you know But yeah, of course They're both equally mind-boggling to me because you think about Being out in florida or atlanta georgia. You're not even near the music scene Tom petty same thing and then you create something and And then it just becomes this whole thing of like, oh the florida the florida scene, you know, you're like what scene There's like two bands, you know But yeah, I I love them both man. Their their work ethics were amazing Their songwriting was insane and the guitar playing was just beyond, you know Yeah, I mean it's too it's it's two great bands for sure. You can't can't argue with that Yeah And look at look what we got from it. We got people like you Marcus king. I just did a two-month tour with Marcus king. I think he's one of the greatest Oh, you were all that was you Now that's cool. Yeah, Marcus is great. He's on my record. Oh, he is Yeah, he's on he's on a song called cold dark world. Yeah Marcus is on it. Derek trucks is on it and uh, nicky bloom is on it On nicky. Yeah, old friend of mine. Yeah, nicky bloom is amazing. I play with Uh, sometimes when I play with phil lash, uh, you know, she plays with phil a lot. So we've done gigs with phil together and um She's she's fantastic. She's She's a good friend of ours, so But I um and then I also had her my wife and I started a music festival actually this last summer Called horseshoe music festival and we did the inaugural um In jackson hole. Oh, just this last Labor day weekend and I haven't enough we're going to do it again this next year and I think we'll probably we might even do more than One so but we haven't announced that yet, but But that's very exciting. So I just I have a bunch of friends, you know Just come and we did three nights of curated music. We did a like an americana slash Band tribute to robbie robertson night and we did a dead almonds night and then we did a We did a kind of new warlands funky rhythm and blues night And we had george porter junior as a guest Yeah, funky meter style out there Yeah, we did we we had a really great time. So i'm looking forward to doing that this next year And um, you need a comedian. Let me know. I'll come out there if I can tell some jokes. Actually, yeah That would be great. Actually. Thank you for I'll bring that up in our next meeting At what point do you do you start to get into um You know the alt country where you uh wilco sunvolt Going down because that that hit me really heavy You know and let's send a williams car wheels on the gravel road all of that Because some of this a little bit of your record had a little bit of sunvolt flavor to me Yeah, I like I mean, I've always liked sunvolt. I'm not I don't know all of their records, but I mean, I remember sunvolt when I was 16 or something and my dad really liked it It came on MTV or something and and I've always liked sunvolt um Wilco, I love I'm a big jeff Sweetie fan. I'm a big fan of his writing and a huge fan of the band, you know And obviously listen is great. So um I don't know. I'm looking more towards the next one. I really like the record that What I've heard off of the new wilco record too, it's got kind of this avant garde kind of art pop art art uh bulky kind of bang I think that It's it's it's really kind of monotone, you know It's got this kind of one thing all the because he put out the one last year cruel country I thought it was a masterpiece where it's kind of like being their vibe But uh, definitely. Yeah, it's it's bizarre. I I haven't been able to grab it yet, you know Yeah, it's well the Kate uh What who's the producer the girl that I like her a lot too that the girl that that uh She's an artist, but she produced it. Oh, wow, and uh, Kate, uh I could look it up on my phone right now, but anyway, she's great too and and I think Um, they're all they're all like part of the same crew now and they like her and they Brought her on to do their record and blah blah blah, but yeah, I'm digging that Yeah, yeah Now let's talk I'm digging like Lucas Nelson is great. I just sat in with him the other night down here and In sir and uh st. Pete, you know, it's about 45 minutes an hour from where I am right now He was in town and he invited me to sit in and that's That's really great. Um, you know just people like that. I mean I really I like the I like a wide variety of stuff, but What about amps? What do you rock because I see you play the gold top. I saw the video the video is cool um And you're rocking a gold top on that but Over the years. I know your dad. He changed amps all the time marshals diesel your mesas all kinds of stuff But he always sounded exactly like him What do you yeah amps um On the record I'm playing through a deluxe reverb one of Derek's deluxe reverbs that just sounded Perfect like it sounded it was a really great sounding amp and and we just had it sounding great and I didn't I mean I didn't hardly use anything no effects no Pedals with it. I mean I used a fuzz pedal on one song and I used to boost on a couple things, but A lot of it was just straight into the amp. Um Live I typically play through a super reverb. Oh, wow. Which is more more more amp, but um But I mean I'm open to I mean you I'm open to I'm always down to try new things. Um, but I'm also um Once I find something that works. I kind of I kind of stick with it and A good sounding super and the gold top I have it works Oh, yeah, there's nothing better than a super reverb Uh, unless you have a sound man going can we turn the amp down a little can we turn the amp down a little? Yes, exactly. It's so weird where we're at now. You know like when I started it would be Marshall stacks Then it went to Marshall half stacks. Then it went to You know matchless combos then it went to You know tweed Victorian deluxe and now It's like You know 13 watt amps up there people are like hey, can you turn that down the stage volume's real? I have a sound man Our sound we we crank them up and baffle them and put plexiglass in front of them So the sound can get oh we don't We don't put a um A really tall baffle like so I like the sound to get over it to where I still feel connected to it, but If you if you put something in front of it you can kind of Um, the sound doesn't just go all right out front and into the mics and And I mean the sound man say it helps just kind of get a good sound um So I mean I try to keep the stage. I mean look if you're playing like a tiny place I mean you don't you got to turn down at some point, but a lot of that you can do You could do With the music we play there's a certain amount of that you obviously do with the guitar I mean you don't you can still have the amp up and then when you go to play solo the solo can be loud But yeah I tend to play pretty loud you know Dynamic but loud, you know and When I I have a good sound man, and if he's saying that If he's getting it to sound right and getting the vocal on top then You know, I'm I'm cool with it if he is And the people I mean I've Out there while You know Johnny's So Here we go. Hey got you. I don't know what happened Hey Fucking lost him Hey, man, I'm back. Yeah Um So anyway speaking alive, you're gonna be playing in LA. Uh, I wanted to go I think it's on the 18th, but I'm fucking got a gig in vegas Let's talk a little bit about that and are you going to be touring the solo record or are you going to be doing all that? Uh, I've been touring a ton on it all I mean since it came out in july so Uh, we're doing We've got a lot in the rear view mirror that we've already done, but we're doing