 Like coming out from a parochial school and coming into there. It's like holy crap. I mean I I'm nodding like I mean I'm from Sebastopol so all the schools were really small that was never any private school in my world, but it's small What do you mean? Yeah, I mean in my you know elementary junior high, which was all one big school. They're probably about 400 of us. Okay. Yeah, it's pretty small and then the high school is actually quite big because it's just covered such a big area Probably a thousand kids. Okay. Yeah, that's big. My high school is like two thousand. Yeah, all right I mean something like five hundred. There's nothing particularly bad about it. I just think that Junior high and high school kids are horrible Well, that's everywhere. Oh, it's just you know, it's like it's a landmine just getting out of there Sainly the problem with junior high and high school kids is they're made of people That's right. And they're you know, there's hormones. There's confusion There's clicks. Yeah, all sorts of things like even stuff that like at the time. I was like, that's just how the world They're people who've learned just enough to be dangerous. Yeah there's just there's a lot of Fiefdom things that go on in high school and yeah college and the workplace States of commuter school, you know, I mean part of the reason that I went to San Francisco State was because the concept of college and like fraternities and like I don't like weird roommates and just it Frightened me and I was just like I want to go to a real college But like live in an apartment and have a job Illinois Wesley and recruited me brought me up for a weekend and Made me not made me but you know, the idea was like buddy up with an actual student And they'll show you a good time and I ended up not enjoying it at all because it was you know a frat Right, and they had a party and I had to sleep on a couch Was like This is not fun. This is not fun for me at all None of that appeals because I don't drink so it's like there's nothing appealing about half the stuff. I Was talking to a friend of mine. He's from Virginia. So I don't long ways away, but But he was like, oh, yeah, you know, I joined a fraternity and you know, we you know They made us like sitting like big buckets of ice and you know, like long before Ha ha, you know standard hazing stuff and I'm like, but why would you say yes? Yeah, I would just be like I'm not doing that because you're desperate to fit in and become Oh, see that's what makes me sad. I know I hate that stuff like the desperation to fit in is like You know, I can't be like the social constructs that you know, we but in some campuses It's amazing like some of the can't couple friends one with the campuses where 60 70% of the campus Was in a fraternity or sorority. So all of the social I live the University of Illinois was more like 70 or 80 when I was Yeah, I just remember being blown away like that because I mean, it was funny. It's one of my closest friends Pledge to frat and when I would come to visit, you know, I'm like, I live in the lower east side I have a black mother jacket. I am punk rock and he'd be like, will you wear these things from the j crew catalog? Going to skies if you want me to blend asked me to blend don't be like this sweater would look really good on you All right, y'all ready to do the show I'm ready. Let's do it Here we go The daily tech news show is supported entirely by patrons like me to learn more visit daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for wednesday november 15th. Is it the Ides of november 2017? I'm tom merritt in dts headquarters in los angeles and from studio feline at the beach I am sarah lane and joining us from far Far away in the east bay wilds of northern california is patrick norton. How's it going? I am full of mirth and good cheer. How are you? Of course host of tech thing if you didn't know that uh go find it out t ek thing our producer roger chang is here as well greetings Salutations roger Patrick's gonna help us figure out whether we should buy a 4k tv or not in which one to buy But let's start with a few tech things you should know This one big microsoft announced it's joining the maria db foundation That is if you don't know what that is it sounds like it's you know fighting a disease Maria db overseas development of the maria db database, which is kind of like saying pin number, but i get it Maria db is a fork of my sequel created in 2009 to guard against oracle closing off my sequel which Seems like it's creeping towards doing people still fear that Microsoft said it will soon offer a preview of azure database for maria db Square is letting some users test buying and selling bitcoin in the square cash app The test seems centered around actually buying and selling bitcoin rather than sending and receiving them I actually checked mine and it does not appear that I have this capability just yet, but any day now Come on square bitcoin that I don't have to sell Uh, microsoft is introducing live sharing to visual studio and visual studio code. It's kind of like Um, google docs for code or I guess microsoft will call it office online for code It allows more than one person to work on code at a time and see each other's cursor and changes They can even share debugging and everybody keeps their own key bindings that weird vim guy can just keep him. It's fine Now here are some more top stories google introduced new search features to help job seekers find work more easily and get more information like salaries For job postings or improved location settings or job application choices and in a couple of weeks the ability To save individual jobs as well If you're wondering well, how does google know who's offering what salary the company says? It's calculating salary numbers from sources like glass door and pay scale and linkedin you know, I this isn't like Super revolutionary, but it's it's akin to me like choosing, you know in in a google search like lax to this city and just getting like a Standard idea of like what things cost and and you know where they're coming from and what airlines I can choose So I like this These sort of things always give me mixed feelings because on the one hand The current job search situation out there is sort of a mixed bag linkedin's pretty good actually Uh, but then there's you know, still the monsters.com and and and all of those in glass door Uh, and so somebody bringing it all together and making a unified search Which is what google's supposed to do as a search engine is great Having google once again take over something that was done by others as they have tried to do with like you said travel search Gives me a creeping bad feeling because The I don't want them doing everything But I mean, but I mean they're not It's an aggregation of stuff that they still need these other companies for Okay, right long as it's not like google's like let me kill glass door. It's like no Yeah, yeah data in order to give you salary information. Patrick. Does this worry you? I feel like google is eventually going to take over everything Or google or facebook. Um, so that's a yeah one hand. Yeah, I mean Well, I hear what sarah saying like they need all of these third party services But it seems like google's like well We'll just use a little bit of your data and then like, you know You know we added if you just and then they they add just enough features To make their thing more popular because oddly enough it works out really well in the search rankings And then as the other companies suffer and fall along the way they administer this like headshot death kill And all you have left is a google service that may or may not actually be maintained Um like hangouts this is different than travel because travel They bought the company that kind of under my underpins the the search in this case They really are doing with what you said sarah. They're they're looking out and saying okay, what's out there? Let's make it easier to access and if they stick to that that should be okay I mean, I think that you know and maybe i'm pessimistic and maybe it's just the line of work that we're in but I don't you know Getting a job is like it's not just like I'd like this job Let me look on google and just find that job and then i'll get the job. It's like That don't really work that way Yeah, that's why the salary thing is pretty good kickstarter launched drip It's a new subscription based funding product based on the company drip the kickstarter acquired back in may 2016 Instead of supporting a specific project like kickstarter does with an end date Subscribers can make a recurring payment to a creator sound familiar like a drion steady flatter all of those uh a drip A drip I guess can offer rewards to subscribers based on when they pledged how much they give There's a time limited launch phase. This is one way kick starters trying to differentiate themselves They put a little kickstarter magic and say the people who fund you in the first 30 days get to be founding members and have special rewards Kickstarter is also emphasizing data portability saying that creators control their subscriber lists and can import and export that data freely It surprises me quite frankly that kickstarter didn't have anything that was closer to this until now The idea of I know that they acquired a company called drip So there's probably something like we got to do something with that name drip, but it does sort of I don't know I don't know how I like the sound of it like i'm dripping you some money each month, but um But yeah, maybe if you drip me some money it will percolate up into my content Right and I can grind it out thing at it uh, but no it's it's um It always sort of surprised me that kickstarter and something like patreon, which of course dts uses. Um You know worked so differently. Um, so and kickstarter is a big name brand as far as the sort of thing goes so I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to using drip to the pro because we used we did try flatter for a little bit the problem is You you need to focus right you can't have too many ways or none of them get enough momentum behind them So that's going to be kick starters issue and what they've tried to do is say hey We got these big name people On board look look at them using our platform. You should use them too right now. It's invite only so You can't sign up unless they tell you to Shall we go to america's hat everyone? I don't know patrick. Did you have one more thought I thought it was interesting that kick starters basically They've said they've converted themselves to a public benefit corporation So that they never go public Never sell the company and that you know, it's all going to be about the creators and the You know the the employees. Um, I'm really curious to see how that works out because I know uh Myself included a lot of people when like, you know patreon took 60 million dollars and there's a choking sound um Because traditionally when people take a tremendous amount of money from a vc It ends up at some point being all about short term gains Yeah over everything and the public benefit company has been used by a few other startups to try to defend against exactly that thing I I remain curious To the hat to the hat amazon launched echo speaker is prime music and amazon voice services in canada So we've got a new english voice with a canadian accent part of the launch However, there's going to be a sticking point for a lot of canadians No french support as of yet, but it does feature skills from air canada td bank tell us the cbc Manual life and around 10 000 other apps. So the echo echo plus and echo dot are on sale For 170 and 50 dollars those canadian dollars respectively shipping december 5th So canada joins amazon echoes existing market of the us germany and the uk japan and india Well First of all, canadians often feel like things launching in their country either doesn't happen or doesn't get covered So here you go. Uh, this is a big launch. I find it odd that they have a canadian version of the voice Which is listen, I mean, I know that you know, I don't think regional differences, but it's not like You're not going to hear like out a canadian person, but add that to the shopping list. Okay, a It's not wildly different It's it's it's enough. I think for them to feel that they've added that added that extra polish for the local population Would you like to spend canadian tire bucks on that? This whole thing goes sideways because americans can't help but like make canadian jokes. Yeah Where the canadian's like we just want french support Well, kevin quah what french support I mean, you know large striking popular parts of the canadian population could really give a rat's posterior There was a there was an email that came into the dtns mailbox earlier today from a very nice canadian man who had kind of gone into detail about Hope french is a really big deal official language. So, you know, I like to keep that in mind Definitely, definitely All right, apple will give limited help to the indian government to develop an anti spam app for ios after initially refusing Over privacy concerns this according to sources talking to roiders government app was launched on android last year but apple pushed back Because of requests for an ios version that it felt would compromise privacy The app would allow iphone users to report unsolicited marketing texts or calls as spam If ios or apple doesn't want the government to be able to have access to the call log It's the slippery slope argument, which is like Hey, if apple made this and said and you know said you can have access to the call log So you can block the spam and go through your call log and hit those numbers The user is going to say great if the indian government is cooperating on an app that the indian government Has access to which can access your call log a lot of people start to get a little freaked out apple included That the government could access everybody's call logs I don't know. I mean, I I know that i'm sort of in a minority here because i just don't I don't care if anyone's listening to my calls because they're so dumb. It's like me making a It's not listening to your calls. It's knowing who you called And then you know Maybe deciding something about you that isn't true based on your call log or or some people are just like it's none of their business Wait, why do they get to know and that's true? But it's like My spam my text spam and certainly my call spam has gotten so out of control over the last Oh, I don't know 12 to 24 months Um that I just barely onto the phone anymore because it's just all robocalls from like weird spam companies So it's like well, I'd like to not get those either so I can see you know if this was a huge issue in india that they were trying to crack down on that This would be something that you might have to you know make a concession for Yeah, it's tough because like the the the reason you're running into the spam Issue and the reason i'm sure the same thing is happening in india is because there's a relatively unlimited number pool of numbers Or unlimited pool of numbers they can spoof when they're calling you So you can be like I blocked that number ha ha well, they only have seven million other ones to Right, that's exactly the problem in india right now. Yeah Colorado's department of transportation and brogan bam brogans areivo. Yes, that's a real person's name brogan bam brogan Are exploring ways to use vacuum tubes to alleviate congestion and speed transport across the city of denver So this is similar to elan musk's boring company project cars sitting on the sled And also similar to elan musk's other hyperloop idea This led shoot through a tube at up to 200 miles an hour So The claim is that we can cut the four hour long trip from denver airport to downtown Just one hour long trip Oh the hour long trip. Why did I say four? Sometimes it seems like four, you know You've ever been in denver airport. It's really on the middle floor. You're right Down down to 10 minutes areivo plans to build a test track alongside the e 470 toll road rich runs Between the denver airport and downtown and promises to hire 200 employees by 2020 So it's not depressurized like a hyperloop. It's just kind of separated Which I guess makes it easier to get up to 200 miles because they could go faster if it was actually the hyperloop Yeah tube But it I mean, it's not that I mean, okay, so having been in the denver airport Both the old denver airport and the new denver airport The denver airport the new denver airport used to be a lot farther outside of town But denver has grown so much in the last 10 15 years. It's growing at like 10,000 people a month right now So, you know with all due respect like great You'll have a short trip to the airport and then you'll be stuck in the same delete expletive lines Or you know traffic jams everywhere else in denver, but it's still So much even the worst like denver at its worst is still so much better than la or the bay area or new york city at this point I mean, it's great that they're sort of trying to get ahead of the curve on this But I don't think the majority of denver The denverites are going to be benefited that much from avoiding No, this is this is for the the secret people that come to the secret underground Uh thing that's under the denver airport That would be my understanding I just like the trains in denver denver has trains that work Like why start digging holes in the ground? Well, I I actually get like having gone to denver on business And having had to go from the denver airport to downtown and back and that kind of be the only thing I get this would have been great, but you're right It doesn't benefit the entire populace of denver this Although they could like if once they've built this they may say oh and now we can put it here And that'll help people get across town in their cars because car goes on a sled. That's interesting Anyway, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com. We just give you the download Sarah did it this morning. Go check it out right now at dailytech headlines.com Or get it on your amazon echo as a flash briefing in the anchor app or on google home All right patrick 4k tv a lot of people are going to want one this holiday season for various reasons We'll get into that in a little bit, but what should they look for? What are the things that they should avoid on the box? What are the pitches they should avoid from the sales people and what are the things that are important to get? Okay, so the shortest possible least traumatic version of this is that a lot of affordable 4k tv suffer from really crappy panels Really mediocre panels and you can calibrate them and fix them to a certain bit But I think the shortest version is if you need an inexpensive 4k tv or you're ready to buy a new tv One 4k is the new 1080p. It just is what it is all the manufacturers are moving everything over to 4k You know when you're thinking about 4k It's like 1080p, but with more pixels and your 1080p content is going to scale on it and look really really good The real advantage to 4k is not that it's like oh, there's more pixels Which really isn't a particular advantage unless you're like this close to the monitor in which case 4k and 8k is really awesome But at a normal living room distance 1080p looks fine The real advantage 4k has is is hdr content Which is slowly coming out more online like you know Netflix a lot of their new stuff that they shoot themselves Is hdr and the high dynamic range of that looks really amazing because when you're in dark scenes It's like oh you see so much more the detail in the dark scary scenes and in really bright scenes You see so much more the detail in the really bright scenes. That's the real big advantage to 4k is getting access to hdr content Probably the best right now like robert heron. I do a podcast called a vxl with robert heron You know the favorite like robert's favorite the wire cutters favorite pretty much everybody's favorite affordable 4k tv right now comes from tcl Which half the population still has never heard of but that's the 55p 607 55 inch 4k ultra hd roku smart led tv 2017 model because you know amazon And it's amazing It's like 650 bucks and it looks really really good So it's a good panel because tcl's a bargain brand right tcl's a bargain brand But this is a particularly nice panel from tcl What's unfortunate is they originally said they were going to do some larger versions But this one exploded in popularity and I don't think he could get the glass to do the larger versions on that Is that video download helper for firefox? I love that The uh Hey The other thing it's really nice about it It's they're using roku as their television operating system And one of the questions we get constantly is how do I get a dumb monitor and it's like well spend $15,000 for a commercial editing monitor that's designed for l a television studios and other than that you basically can't You know all television Go ahead. I know I was we were talking about this in the dts bosses slack earlier and and my response to them was The os's aren't as bad as they used to be you just want to make sure you get one with a decent os. Is that fair? No, uh, I'd say I'm gonna I was I was actually tormenting robert heron earlier this year It was like it's just time to give up on all the other os's because even On the incredibly expensive televisions It seems like if you're lucky you get like a year or 18 months and then they either switch operating systems or redeploy their Engineers or whatever happens like basically buy a roku buy an apple tv Buy an amazon fire tv plug it in hdmi port one or hdmi port two And then forget about whatever operating system came on the television except to add updates for security and or Well, what we were talking about in slack is is not using the smart tv system Which I think everybody agrees like i'm not going to do that But having it crash and and reboot and and not not work even as a dumb monitor. That's kind of gone away Yes, I would say I mean the monitors all the televisions seem to be stable at this point You know at least the ones we've run into I have not tested all the televisions because there's too many brands, but They all seem to be like literally I would say like buy the television update it when there's an update You know if you're feeling brave or if everything's working don't fix it until it breaks And then you know literally plug a roku into it Plug an apple tv into it, you know plug an amazon fire into it Especially with movies anywhere, which unfortunately is not 4k or hdr But movies anywhere if you guys haven't played around with it. It is the weirdest thing to be like I am on an android device watching my itunes content Thanks to the miracle of movies anywhere and it cross pollinates all of your movie titles across all of your different services Which I obviously still finding mind-blowing, you know several weeks after first loading it up and being like And when he says all he means movies it's not going to bring your music over that's a whole different thing Not going to bring your music over not going to be your television shows over yet But it's it's still kind of like hey my 60 itunes titles are showing up over here and over there and anywhere I want them to be this is really cool. Um, so tcl or a roku os operated tv What about those are lcd options mostly what about olad? So if you want to buy olad, um The big kind of secret bargain right now, uh, or kind of the the super cool trick, right? So there's The tcl for 650 dollars and for 55 inches about as good as it gets to get a larger lcd flat panel You're going to have to do some hunting around because they've been changing a lot. What's crazy is when you look at lg's olad series You know the w7 the g7 the c7 the e7 pretty much all their lineups are the same as their entry level b7 um, so all their olad olad tv's Basically use the same glass You know, uh, just and you know are fed by you know really really quality processing So, you know, yeah, you may not have you know $8,000 for the 65 ends lg's signature olad You know the wallpaper of the w7 series But you're basically by going with a plastic back and a clunkier base You're basically getting the same glass and processing on the like $2,000 television in the b7 series And there's is there enough of a difference between olad and lcd to to warrant it if you have the money If you have the money the color is going to be much more amazing on the olad Um, you know, whether or not you care is an entirely different thing Uh, but you know, if you're like i i own several hundred blu rays and i i'm really into the cinema experience I sit down and i've become enmeshed in the movie Yeah, if you got two grand i would definitely consider buying an olad Over the lcd or i'd guide you towards a projector, but 4k projectors are really really expensive right now Although they've come down vastly at price but for me Um, ever since i bought a oppo projector refurbished from woot like seven or eight years ago I have been all about like i have a 100 inch screen and i will never go back to an lcd or an olad panel But that's just me So if you're what so if you're in the 4k literally the hdr game You probably aren't going to go a projector yet. You're gonna you're going to hang in there for something better It sounds like I mean you can get sort of you know, I call it mock 4k, but essentially by by doing some really cool stuff Uh, they can get 4k resolutions out of Projectors that are technically not 4k for Okay, okay with all due respect to the feline studios um, but the uh They look really amazing and they're down to you know, two three thousand dollars instead of like eight to 12 to 20 to $40,000 like they were last year, but technically they're not true 4k whether or not you can actually see the difference between a true 4k projector and You know one of the inexpensive ones from epson It probably has a lot to do with your eyeballs and how much time you spend examining Really really obscure color issues. So tcl on the lcd front lgb seven if you want to get a decent olad for your money On that front anything else? Uh, you know the sony bravia the xbr 65 a1 e Uh, you know if you scroll down a couple pictures of this one the best part about this is it's got a kickstand Um, and if you're living in your open loft space and you want to put the television in the corner This is really slick. It also does something pretty amazing where they've essentially turned the flat screen itself into a speaker Um a big giant flat speaker that radiates the center channel towards you, which is particularly delightful When you're watching a conversation heavy stuff on the screen. It's really really nice sound comes from their mouth practically That's cool. Yeah, and they do they're sony. So they do some really fantastic processing on that But you know, this is not an inexpensive television and that price looks a little higher I think that should have been uh, that may be a temporary. We're looking at amazon right now And it shows 4 000 bucks basically so you might be cheaper than that Yeah, I I going into black friday by the way keep an eye on camo camo camo or other price tracking Although amazon has been apparently doing some stuff for this sort of magically create new entries Yeah for certain products to eliminate the camel camel camel data But if you're thinking about buying something check the prices now So you know whether or not the black friday deal is actually a deal All right before we move on because we're getting close to the end here Uh, the the ultimate question for a lot of people is do I need 4k yet? Uh, and there are people out there like yes, I need it I'm buying blu rays in 4k or I'm you know, or ultra hd or I've got netflix in 4k And I really want to watch it but for most people who are still asking Is there a short answer If your television works if it's 1080p into television works, don't fix it Wait until it's time to upgrade because you're always going to get more image quality or bigger screens for less money The longer you wait So you yeah, and it used to be don't bother with 4k if you need to get a new tv You just get a really nice 1080p now. It's different now It's if you need a new tv go ahead and get one with hdr Make sure you get one with hdr not that there are too many that aren't That but that's that's a big one like especially if you're if you're looking like oh last year's model is really inexpensive Last year's model doesn't have hdr. Don't Buy it. All right. So hey, uh, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and at facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show On to the mail bag, uh, and david from the home counties in england writes Hi, tom sarah and patrick as a nexus slash pixel phone Devotee who used face unlock a few years ago, but has now abandoned it I have no personal experience with apple's new face id Is it very dissimilar from what google and samsung have been doing for a while now If no surely these issues with children unlocking phones are issues that other manufacturers would already have encountered years ago sarah is right That there's a risk that children might log into their parents phone and max out their credit card But on the other hand, I know enough parents who'll accept that risk just so they can tell themselves that they still look like a teenager Because their kids look like them, I guess Uh, no, it's a great question david So I went and found an excellent write-up from jerry hildenbrand at android central.com If you really want to know the answer dig into this and he did a fantastic job Android uses front-facing camera and facial recognition. It's not doing depth sensing Samsung has improved its facial recognition a little but mostly just by making it work faster and starting to capture your face faster Little better camera a little better cpu Those Can be defeated with printed photos you can print out a photo of somebody And defeat that so they're not even billed as secure even though they're securely stored on the phone They're not billed as a real security measure. It's more of a convenience measure Now samsung also offers the iris scan. That's a little more secure It uses a diode with near infrared and a second Camera a narrow focus camera samsung Did balance convenience with security like a really secure iris scanner could take up to 10 seconds They're like most people won't put up with that So they made it a little less accurate in order to make it faster and because of that a high res photo and a contact lens You may have heard we talked about this on the show can defeat that All the above require you to learn where you position your head too Uh, they make you think like oh right. I have to have it here Apple uses infrared light kind of like the samsung iris scanning But combines that with the led lasers to collect depth and the neural engine to interpret stuff And I have to say I've been using it, you know for a couple days now It really is fast. I don't realize it's working. I don't have to think about it. So there's your difference between these And and and I don't know that I would still say apple is secure in that you can use it to You know fully rely on securing everything, but it probably is for most people As long as you're not a you know Billionaire businessman like batric and sarah And I I I can't really weigh in on this because of how wealthy I am You have someone to open your phone for you So hard to get a good servant's face all these clones, you know, so I'm just a real different test case But no, I mean uh, uh, david makes really good points. Um, and good research project tom. Oh, thank you I just looked up android central and read their article. They did all they did all the hard work Go check that. We'll have that link in the show notes as well. Patrick Norton. Thank you so much for joining us If folks don't know you can find patrick along with shannon morse at tech thing.com. It's t e k T h i n g dot com and of course as you mentioned earlier avxl What you got going on at either of those or both these days? Oh my goodness. Um, has my phone suddenly explode Sorry the uh people are so excited about these shows. They're calling in right now. How can we get on blowing up? Oh my goodness. Well avxl if you know, especially if you're if you're thinking about upgrading your home theater We're talking about speakers and headphones and amplifiers and just basically giving you a better audio or or video experience We don't care what your budget is. You got 80 grand. We'll have to spend it You got, you know, 300 dollars in a dorm room. We'll get you going. Um, but robert heron and I he was out for a couple weeks Uh And uh, do some family stuff and just got back. Um, I'm actually playing around I'm doing my like every five years. I play around with turntables and vinyl to try to Find the magic in the analog experience Um, and mostly I've found that there's a lot more noise in analog recordings than I remember because it's been so long Yeah, uh, Ian morris and Nate Langston had a little mini argument about this, uh on the uh on the text message show Last weekend because Nate's a big fan of vinyl But Ian throws down the studies that that show that there aren't as many bits in vinyl as there are and It's all a placebo effect and this and that so it is a cognitive bias and yeah It's a never-ending story Sorry, no go ahead. 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Yeah, which is a dinosaur all right show but show Um, of course, this would be one of the problems. This seems In your wheelhouse A legit book urban fantasy Holy warrior must convince a doctor without faith to help stop a powerful demon and his minions from succeeding and creating hell on earth A thrilling adventure of science and faith good and evil damnation and salvation People have been wondering when the urban fantasy genre was going to finally run out of steam Is that really a genre? Oh, oh, yeah. No twilight kicked off the urban fantasy craze. Yeah Oh, I didn't know twilight would be considered urban fantasy Even though it was mostly It's because it urban. I think these suggest is when it's uh Mostly within Like a city contemporary a contemporary city setting, right? Like if it was like london back in the 18th century that wouldn't Yeah, what's I hadn't actually thought about this. What's rural fantasy? That's what like I just I would say something really bad right now. So I won't say anything Vampire farmers just trying to get a crop in So, uh, all right. So titles he was a small town werewolf is for The name Dripping money kickstart drips in the patreon's house A lands in the canada a um We just did that one come on come on people. We just did a in the title for canada uh mile high per loop No way fo k I like that. No way fo k um Oh fo k f a u x folk. No way fo k. Yeah, that's not bad Actually, where are you kickstarter drips on patreon's per raid 4k's new 1080p You're gonna go stop making things better Bitcoin is so square Um, would you like to spend canadian tire bucks on that? I hear sarah yelling Huh? Sarah yelling Uh, there was enthusiasm in the front of the building. I can ask. Oh, I'm like, I'm not yelling. I'm just sitting here Wrong sarah. Oh, it was uh, it was my life. Which sarah are we talking about? There's always four in the room Okay, I've become abundantly aware of how many patrick tortons there are in the u.s Except at least one of them seems to give my e gmail address as a default for all of his receipts and stuff So no way fo k or 4k is the new 1080p. I like 4k is the new 1080p Patrick, what do you like works for me? sarah, what do you like? I like I like the 1080p one done sold carried motion carried That was a very informative part of the show. It was Thank you. It's funny. It's like I'm so I think roger and I had agreed on this a couple weeks ago where it's like I can really forgive Mediocre video as long as the audio was really good Yeah, like my home theater is like I've got these fancy speakers and I you know, I very meticulous about like setting them up And the whole thing for you, but 4k. I don't care about at all Oh, that's so funny. I'm the opposite when it comes to movies and tv Like I want the video to be good audio is It's like, you know, I want it to be decent It's because sarah and I rolled out of the bavac program or not bavac out of the I did take class at bavac too though both Becca that's a that's the thing that audio production told you it's like you video people you don't understand Audio is where it's at. What's so funny is like in podcasting. I go the other way I I I want my podcast to be good audio Uh and video i'm more forgiving of but with tv and movies it's different Actually, I used to be like tom and patrick. I both wanted good video and good audio But once you have a kid Your eyes aren't always focused on the screen. In fact, it's probably no longer than five minutes before it started somewhere else So I need to understand what's happening. I just gave up on sleep I like I just don't try to watch anything the kids can't watch while they're awake And then you know Because it's it's too it's too frustrating for me to be interrupted when i'm watching stuff. So I just I just don't you know You know, if the kids are awake, there's either no television or it's kid-friendly stuff And we actually don't let them watch a lot of television Do you let them have orios? I do not like every five minutes You know what I want There's a story about why I asked that I was just I was like Kind of snobby, but I'll let her have numeros, but not orios Well, when I was really this is so funny because I I saw I got dinner with my my cousin uh the other day and we were Remembering my aunt ester her great-grandma ester And I remember my my grandma Complaining that her daughter and my aunt Uh Limited the television that the kids watched and wouldn't let them eat orios And so she's like well, I can't do anything about the television, but I always bring orios when I visit That's awesome. Yeah, and really funny But I mean, I don't know it's I remember a friend of mine who was um a bartender in new york city um At this place that worked at in college I called the wetlands And there was it was it was this weird mixture of there was punk There was ska and there was jazz and there was a whole lot of grateful dead cover bands or grateful dead bands It was like the first place fish played in in new york city when they started traveling outside of my mom Which isn't to say that fish is a dead cover band, but the audience is overlap And uh, but this one was there in like full hippie mama mode with her little baby In the really loud nightclub in new york when people still smoked in nightclubs And the little kid saw the cherry jar and was like deeply fascinated it while moms like jam it out And my friend the bartender goes to hand the small child a cherry Which you know generally speaking never hand anybody else's child food without permission But the woman like sees the cherry in the child's hand Smacks the cherry out of the child's hand and starts screaming at him about trying to kill the child um Who's out at 11 o'clock at night in a club with the cigarette smoke and the music up to 11 Surrounded by 10,000 drunk sweaty people now. Was it an allergy? Uh, no, it was because cherries are have something in them that would cause like irreparable harm to the child Like pick a choke on the pits. No, no, not even there's no this is a bar This was a Non non-evidentiary based. Yeah, this cherry was but you know, I think it was like the red dye was very upset Like it was going to cause the child just uh, it was like a maraschino or something Um, so yeah, I mean like yeah, I mean we eat a lot of organic Food, uh, we eat more vegetables than I ever were aware of existing as growing up as a midwesterner where there was canned vegetables or no vegetables But the uh Yeah, I you know, yeah, I let them eat junk food once in a while. It doesn't particularly bother me So maybe I'm just uh, I wish I Don't be vegetable and we will eat is a sweet potato Don't let her eat anything else for a couple days. Don't tell you what those green beans will disappear, man Oh, yeah, she she she she still nurses a lot so she won't She'll get really upset too I can't remember one time I fell asleep I was holding her on the couch and I fell asleep Because really tired she started like start tapping on my glasses like like a bird. I try to get no me like Shaking me I'm going to eat your eyes for a for a little girl She really like just smacks us around Sorry, have you never seen mean girls? Didn't you go to junior high school? It's just making a lot of kicking Oh, man But she watches. Yeah, but she watches a lot of youtube because she likes the egg discovery videos I don't let the kids I don't let the kids watch youtube anymore unless we're in the room with them There's just and this was it was like it was horrifying to realize a lot of my suspicions were confirmed by somebody who's pointed out There's always insane automated video generating services. Oh, you missed our discussion last week on just that topic I bet it was fantastic. We well it was yeah, it was a bunch of us being like, well, that's disconcerting Why are all these youtube videos? You know sending messages to all children that are very very uncool Because it takes a lot of clicks to make a living these days on youtube And if you got a bunch of four-year-olds rabidly consuming your video what you really need is more four-year-olds rabidly consuming your video There are people who make an entire living on it. It's it's amazing. I have suggested to tom And and I mean to sincerely it's like we should totally do this There are families that rake in A tremendous sum of money just by doing simple like counting videos and color videos I think it's probably given the way the algorithm has been restructured. It's probably too late to start one of those channels Or maybe it's not but I don't know it's I just like the idea that like like this like the the sort of The genesis of william gibson's ai, you know continuity characters that generate all of the ongoing story lines You know is basically coming out of a dark corner of youtube with people creating word salad spam with automatic generating All right, hold on breaking news Uh, we just got an email to the daily tech news show email box From someone i'll keep the names out of it Uh asking if we would like to be part of a pie giveaway To benefit the victims of this year's california wildfires and i'm like man Kind of hit me on on on two good points there. I'm very sympathetic to the wildfires and i'm a huge fan of pie I think you should commit all available on behalf of home town buffet One of my cousins used to manage hometown buffet stores Well, I wasn't going to say the name but There you go uh Pies I mean pie pie Tis the season for pie I don't know Is actually it's not it's not endemic. We don't review pies I'd like to But no, we don't I just say like we could we Also, can I get a free plan out of this or is it just the giveaway? Wait a minute. Is it like a frozen pie? Like the fine you get in your supermarket aisle. It's like a marie calendar is kind of a place. Yeah. Yeah It's totally like that. Yeah But in a good way That was the uh, what's that apple farm we used to get used to drag everyone to oh, it's over over sarah grew up. Yeah Which apple farm do you go to? Uh, we go to one in grabbin's not grabbin's team. Um The one before that the twin hill yeah, twin hills twill I went to twinnell's middle school Oh Twin hill ranch. I grew up there. They made great apple pie as I understand now is not the same anymore They, um They stopped making a lot of stuff that we used to get there. But yeah grabbin's and apples Good apple juice good apple pie and they had like a little candy thing for kids after school. So Go and get like airballs and things that our parents wouldn't want us to eat Uh, yeah, we go to gabriel farms now. Oh good question. Nick with a c Says question to americans. When is thanksgiving this year a week from tomorrow? There will be no regular daily tech news show And same for friday There will be daily tech headlines in your feed I don't know. I'm making so many gestures about it. You know as producer roger chang will be waiting in line I will be spending thanksgiving eating a frozen pie alone with my cat So if anybody wants me to just like turn on google hangouts, I'll do it I've got nothing else to do Do you want to come out and hang out with my family for thanksgiving? You should come over to my house then because we'll be at least having cooked pies No, I I just my point is is like, you know, my my thanksgiving is blissfully empty I mean, Sarah if you want to do a lot of people have kind of been like, Sarah That sounds kind of I'm like, oh, it's okay. There's actually sounds kind of fun because I can just eat weird stuff alone I can have a jar of stuffing charlie brown covered in stuffing popcorn toast Popcorn and toast two of my favorite Thanksgiving just like the original settlers had like the first Thanksgiving Well, it's because I also think you know how I'm on amc. They play the godfather movies on Thanksgiving I don't know how many years they've been doing this, but they didn't know that actually and I Want to watch one and two like that's what I want to do on Thanksgiving and like that's pretty awesome You know, if you're with other people, that's fine, but it's more in the background Like I want to sit there silently and watch the two movies. I don't want to watch the third one No, no, I Somebody's like you're driving to CES. I'm like I get to listen to music for eight hours uninterrupted. Yeah priceless Solitude has its merits Seriously and by the way, we will be going to CES