 So Jana, tu di kwa namutua panae tuwa Magbi. Magbi nili jamali si mama uko archives, aka ma bangu kubu wa kwa nataka sponsors. Ya, sponsors. He was here yesterday and he told us all he wanted is money, no relationship because he had some other relationships. And he was particular about something, that he wanted a big mama, a big mama. He said he is in his 20s, so he want a big mama of 50s and above. So that's why we are here today in Powatok to ask if relationship, if age really does matter in relationship, does age matter. My name is Sankara Kaisu and I'm here on behalf of Ram Aguko. And I'm not alone, I am with professionals. I'm happy to call you professionals because nini watu amanda shule. Handboy. Yes, yes. So we have Alia and we have Ruth. We are going to start with Ruth. You are going to tell us everything about yourself. I've only told them your names. So you're going to tell them your name, your full name now, your occupation, your social media handles and everything. You want the public to know about you. Here. Okay, I'm Ruth Awino. Professional, I'm a teacher. Any other thing? Facebook. Onaji taji. Awino Ruth. Uko Twitter? No. Uko Instagram. No. Uko to Facebook. Yes. Oh, nice. You are welcome to it. I know it's your first time here. It's my first time. You are highly welcome. I'm not half done. That's started today. Okay, apart from Ruth to Kona, when you're in shows, when you're in shows, when you're in shows, it's the only concert facing this show. Yes, she's killing me and she's killing me. I'm Tua Aliwa David. How are you sir? Thank you. Nice to see you. I'm happy to be here. Nice to share this set with you. You know you are a legend. That's cool. That's cool. And you're a prosecutor when you're in Kona, watch Viojama Kamani. You're a kamaani. You're a kamaani. Prosecutor Anguvu. Prosecutor Anguvu. I hope you're doing well. I'm doing fine. Thank you, God. Yes. Now, let's roll to this directly. He mambuya relationship according to you, honestly. He's got the same attitude as me when he was in business. He's a social media person. God doesn't want to watch you after the U.S. You're welcome. Is he in business or social media platforms? Yes. Are you a jitagi? Yes, my name is Aliwa David. I'm a Bavolambuna again. I'm an actor, a musical actor. I'm also a TV host and a lot of other things to do with art. So, I'm also IG, Twitter, Facebook, Dieerviceboss Ace Ah Aha Mi mi najiwa na Nikiwa na Lugia Grisi Mi mi najiwa wazuri sana Very funny dress up and everything But it attaining Okay, now tell us what you think you're starting with you What you think about does age matter in your relationship? Does age matter in a relationship You want to pick Kali sana Let me start with the constellation What do you mean constellation? Or you are consoling us Yeah age does not matter Consolation You call that consolation? Yes age does not matter consolation But kwa ground between a different kwa ground between a different It does not matter because if you meet somebody who is mature And you guys may be rolling the same flowing things are okay But generally if you are putting it at 100% Maybe that is our measurement Niki dogo sana Those that work niki dogo sana It's purely for men In a scale of 1 to 10 you say 2 or 3 Give it a number please If I go to 3 kibati baati 3 kibati sana Might be maybe 2 there Of course there is this relationship whereby maybe age is I think it's in 3 I'll put it in 3, categorize it in 3 But maybe the man is older than the lady Oh It was when the man is older than the lady I am just saying the categories Of now relationship and the age And this is the other one That now the lady is older than the man Or the guy Now we are all age mates But now that is no age difference Okay we will get deeper What you are talking about is more When one person is older than the other Yes But mostly it's that way So we will Like what we are talking about Discussing range Now we will just be discussing Because most of the time The different What you are talking about is the truth U na kama iki tu inamata kweli When you are 80 Example because I know you are far much less than 80 He is 20 Does it matter Yes It matters in a relationship How? Can you explain to the dog? Just like as he has said Here comes a case whereby A lady is older than a man Then you will find that With the ladies they mature faster More than a man Therefore when you are dating a lady Who is older than you Yes You will not reason on the same line I remember the reason Yes The reason is the kids As in In a relationship like right now I want to get into a relationship I cannot get into a relationship With a man who Is younger than you Okay Not that younger A man may be younger than me With maybe only 2 years But this man can seriously reason This man is mature We can sit down discuss And do something But here comes a case whereby A man is More older Maybe 5-6 years older than me Are mature more than this man We cannot sit down reason together And we do certain things Still on you Still on you How What range do you think is good Like Kwa chewu jamama nafa kwa chan A kanga pivi According to me Jamama nafa kuni achana 5 years Ya Meme kama na muwacha Na 2-3 years 2-3 years Ya Anima they are saying age is a number Age is just a number It's a popular saying Now that you are disagreeing Both of you that age does matter Where are you placing this Famous saying That age is just a number I started by saying Age is just a number As a consolation So you can Things can move For things to move Age is just a number Just a number But of course there is another beat That she is saying And she is agreeing That Aniza kubalimu tuambayako Maybe 2 Below me By 2 years or something And a fear bado Are you really Would you be very comfortable That those 2 years You are going to still I want to believe She will still consider things like Maturity Exactly Exactly But my problem is only one To just have a ground When you are starting Might not be an issue But with time Is your moving on Yes She might discover Because the one thing She has just said Unapata The lady usually The mature First time Combined then The guy The day Not just body She doesn't have She doesn't have She doesn't have She doesn't have Upstairs Upstairs number No What is she thinking By then 2 years before me Maybe after 2 years After 2 years 22 I am 25 Yes Yeshafika party I am 24 Okay Me baby I don't know I don't know Beyond 1 year Okay 25 We clash there We have a clash So that I am saying It's a consolation But it's something that must You must really be very keen Very keen before you Get into that kind of a setup Especially when You're talking about now The lady I am like Our good friend was in Akaijpale He was sitting We were sitting And He said That he is Not giving up But he is a part of your personal Transport So upon it Triki It's not something That you can just Move into Yes But The other better That you might get somebody Maybe like a lady Get someone who is mature Let's talk about this maturity Let me start with you Road There are people Who are young They are young men But because they are factors They were brought up In a different factors For example With me I was a child parent I don't know Whether you understand that My parents died When I was very young So I had to bring up My siblings So you know Even if I am 20 But I live And reason like 40 And above Don't you think this Can work Like I now marry A lady at 30 Who is At the same power With my thinking capacity Okay Maturity matters a lot Just the way you have seen Maturity matters a lot And If you can do Everything that Are in my bracket Yes We go together We reason together You know When it comes to Okay, let's not talk Of just relationship But here comes A case whereby We enter into marriage You know Your people might May also be looking at That age difference What about our son Why Why this lady This lady is older than this So maybe You will be doing some things In your house I'm sorry to say this Because I'm not married I don't know But I know one day I'll get into it Yes You will sit down With your husband You talk Honey, let's do this Let's do this Let's do this Then You will ask your husband Who is he And he will say Yes Who is he Who is he Who is he Who controls him Who is he But to you To you as a lady You fit this month Because of the maturity Yes So maturity Matas a lot Where would you In a place like this You will say I'm your daughter I'm your daughter I'm your daughter I'm your daughter No Let me go to Christianity part of it Yes The husband is the head of the house And once I went to the house As my husband You are my head Wow However much You are my husband As long as You have accepted I've accepted you in my life You are my husband I wish all ladies There's no way I'll call you But when you work When you work When you work When you work When you work When you work When you work When you work Because things are a bit different Thank God God bless her for that Thank you But what you see When you talk to Friends But sometimes Relationships Guys areeez Their true egin Self Areova same Whether it's a lady A lady in my in kwa 27 And sheasiyn Miki Vita Please Ki akun ni ma 62neyi jabu Odynari Naimaina Small Association Kubike Nisha Argh Over K 행복 3 mipê ukei hine ¨h describing homes ¨a those kinds of things ¨ ¨but right now, ¨it was inu omy bhuzunu ahjipanga ¨kama wa k Linux 30¨ ¨a 40¨ ¨if you look at arechi, ¨k 하겠습니다 niko will be ahead of you¨ ¨but there's something else I'll talk about. ¨There are two things about age. ¨ ¨Kunaho age, ¨kunahapia ¨the other ¨ ¨passport of ¨what guys think about ¨you¨ ¨Kani wa kwi that? ¨ ¨Kani wa kwi that? ¨ ¨mimi ¨, ¨niko 25¨ And then I'm dating some lady who is 46. It takes me, it takes me, and I have no more. See that guy was saying that I have come to above 50. Okay this guy is looking for money, not for love. Let's just speak the reality. This guy is looking for money and nothing else. People look into a relationship. At the same time, some people look into a relationship. But they don't look into a relationship. Because they are looking for money. Money is one of them. So we are in a situation where we are bringing money where man is the one older. Because man is the one older. Because man is the one older. Now I think it's this sponsorship thing. But these ladies say they can't go intimate with you if they don't love you. So it's like they love your money, but when they watch your money, they love you first. Whatever the situation. So they love you. Do you think this is practical? They love you clearly. Because they say for this man, it was money that was looking there. But for ladies, for bonding to be there, does love apply here in any way? Of course on my side, those are the points we know. It's not about love. It's about some other material. That's the word. It's material thing. And it might happen both sides. Like the way she just said, maybe the guy for you to be 25 and then you're looking for your man, looking for somebody's 40-something, mostly it's man, it's made material. And some ladies also. But you see, for the ladies a bit different. Maybe she might correct me. The ladies in life, they look for their fathers. It's clear if you're lucky to have had a father figure. You look for a father figure. So are you takuwa Shidesa? Uta kuwa na uja ma, kuna relationship nai, but you're looking at him as a father figure. But that they look for, Uta futa. Uta futa. Guys, okay, let me just say this. Let's just speak the reality. Me as Ruth, having, okay, assumed that I'm 30 now, then I have a man of 40. You can't even make it 60. I call a man of 40, not 40, 50 or 60. As my husband. My friends, I won't feel comfortable. What? Why? I won't feel comfortable. You know Ruth is bringing Christianity up? No, no, no. What do you say to the ground? I won't feel comfortable with this man in the house as my husband. That is the truth. But if I have other motives, maybe, you know, nowadays, let us just speak the truth. Nowadays ladies, me included, even though I know maybe I may not do some such kind of a thing. Nowadays ladies, we don't look for young men, but we look for these older men. Not to call them daddies, but for materialistic things. Yes, we will. We said. I want a sponsor. I want my life, the life I'm living now, I'm not satisfied with it. I think like, my dad educated me and now I'm a teacher and what, what, what. But this money is not enough. I need a man of a millionaire. I want to fit that other life. I want to live somewhere here. Yes. So I will just go into this relationship, but I'm not satisfied. Can you allow me to say this? Even if we go to private room, let me call it so. Yes. We go to our private room. Yeah, you are two of you there. You know we are two of us there. Yes. We are supposed to enjoy and do whatever we are supposed to do. Yes. But you cannot do it fully the way I could do it with your good as my age mate. Yeah. So I got there because of money. I got there because of money. But, but let's come to you on that. Atu saiki enda of. But we are satisfied there. Give me honest opinion about this. Ruth is saying that she she won't enjoy anything. It's like a busyness. Me do in Aungaia. You know as a man sometimes he's a wonder. Yes. We look at, we have photos, we have whatever. We've seen situation, you know people who are ladies, every young ladies in the beaches they come and say we are going to come. Maybe she's now bringing it poor son that mostly they're going there for material material thing. Because to me I also believe in that that maybe we had a situation in this country of a very famous family. Not to mention it here. But SM, do you remember the SM lady? Yes. Yes, mention. It was in the public domain. Just mention. So like that one you'd wonder that guy who's a mother in India seriously and enjoy in Nepal. They must be other motifs but maybe somebody else would come here and the lady would say you enjoy. Yes. That's why I brought the love part of it. Because for ladies to enjoy to fit in and enjoy perfectly one has to say there's no emotional attachment. But maybe they hide on that thing that age is not a factor. But in real sense you have another motif. It's not really love. It's not love. It's not love at all. It's not. What would be the range? You know what we are talking about here. It's range. She's 30. He's 70. Or she's 80. He's 40. That range now. To understand let me bring it closer home. To understand she has white hair everywhere. But weep too. But don't quit. Everywhere? But come on. Kanyagiya kanyagiya kanyagiya. But maybe the guy let me just say the guy another kwa kupua another kwa kupua we know of one actor from Nigeria me old lakini ame jiki poa. He was in the country and guys were like wow look at that guy. When you have two if you jama ame jiki poa dey manaza maungu kia. So it can work. We won't talk about an old person ane na kudai ane na kudai kiesiwa pana. I was looking up for why these people why people get into this age difference a big age difference relationship and lady was telling me that it is experience at young man ane mahat baya sama. So aliyamua I'm looking for a mature person and no maturity come with age. They say the old is gold. So she was looking for old. Do you think this is let me start with Bruce because he and her chick up up kiyake. Do you think this is reason enough to go for an older person? Okay. It's okay to go for for an older person but it depends how okay what is the age difference here? Maybe the girl is 25. She was hearted with a man over maybe 30. You can go to a man of 40. You know as time goes let me say that you go to a man of 50. A man of 50 you will just enjoy this marriage for only 10 years. After reaching 60s you will not enjoy anything there. Let us just speak the reality. So at least if you are looking for somebody who is mature if I was dating you and we are all 30 I'm a dating aliyamua. Aliyamua I'm dating you. We are in a bracket of 30 maybe 30 the range is 30 to 35. Maybe we have been dating for 5 years to make what we want to date. Then you hurt me or Buddha is 40. I will say that this man of 30 this man of 40 is more mature than this man of 30. Let me go for him. But going for a man who is 60 years old my friend we will not enjoy as a lady because you won't enjoy anything in this marriage. Another thing that we have to consider as ladies by the time you are looking for a man of 60 and you are 30. This man is having a family. I believe so. And a man of 30 Seriously? In Kenya? Let us just say in Kenya. No, not in the world. Kuna niwa mefika by the way kuna very big TV faces. Okay, for me to go for a 60 year old father who is not married I must think twice. All these 60 years we will not enjoy as a lady. I have to look at the age. Before we go to David. At least the age is 10 years old. Before you go to David you experience kuhati kakuhati when you are hurt by an oldie boy or vision of a dog or millenials who has hoped for a bit older person. Nama umesema ina dependent on age? Ina dependent on age. But to me not Oguda not Oguda's characters is the same as Aliwa's characters. Yes. I will not run from Oguda and run from all men from this age bracket because Oguda hurted me. No. I will look for another person maybe your character is different. I wish all ladies were this. Ladies are, they generalize. When you say how vision of a dog or a heart were two Ruth now is putting it very clear that people are different. I may hurt you but another age mate of mine can care for you perfectly. Can come. But it's been long since you told us something. Yes. But what I'm thinking is that like maybe we can just confine ourselves to the topic. To me believe that age it's a factor but not really a factor. As long as maybe you get a mature person because those are those other things. There are guys even you know personalities you have somebody is 30 and is getting 60 and they are doing fine. You look at the family and say wow maybe it looked like a mistake but maybe the person knew what she was getting into. The lady was getting into. So what is the most comfortable point for the mind? Because you're also looking at the mind. The minds. I want maybe in the same age age set I want to mention and I want to believe if he's a man maybe we can reason. That growth I think even biological if I'm not wrong for the kids and everybody because if kids are coming in the other guy is aguka and they are going to school and maybe I'm the older guy I'm 60 the kid is just maybe they are in grade 1 and grade 2. How will he be the kids be explaining so I also think we might just jump to things but also we need to consider some other factors that is a great factor. So that we might be torturing somebody else we might torture the kid unless maybe I'll say I'm 60 years old and they want to go comfortable. And live along that you may find that a lady is younger and the man is old then you get into marriage ok maybe you as a lady you wanted this marriage seriously ok let me go back and accept that a lady can marry a 60 year old man but if you want to know if you want to marry a 30 year old man this lady is 30 years old and they need kids so wherever you take your kid you will attack your kid it must bring a confusion when you were 60 he loved me because I was 60 so he told me I'll die before this kid reaches university because by the time the kid maybe graduates maybe will be 30 so you know you are 30 you see 90 and you are not seeing people reaching that 90 so again me another thing is a thing of now like the lady there is something you talked about the head of the house because now center of power but now who is the head of the house if we get maybe like what she is saying for the ladies if we get we will really have the control no it doesn't age is not the only thing here you know when I am the breadwinner of the family like this boy was looking for sponsor how can you be head of the house and you are not providing for that house so I think these things shift the normal we are getting to abnormal situations like the corona putas you cannot call yourself at you are the head of house na weka zeyo kuna kwa pa anya kuna kwa zeyo kwa anya kula na kwa tembe ya kwa nyumbe wuchi na tembe ya kwa nyumbe nekered and you are eating everything that is there and you want to call yourself the head of the house like this guy who was here yesterday if you found a sponsor us for that matter and then maybe I see ananda kwa she kwa sponsor us kwa kwa head of the house which is not yours it will be very hard but I am just saying if the guy is mature the whole thing goes down to maturity how organize you maturity don't you think maturity should guide you to looking for your own resources and reasoning maturity can help you reason but Ruth is etching with something here Ruth is etching with something here I wanted to say this here comes a case whereby I am older than you you have come into my house and we have started staying together you don't have job you have nothing to do me as a lady when I came here I wanted to tell you about this relationship even though I am a man when I came here I will use my head and tell you that we are now here you will not sit here as I go to look for it please you will not sit here as I go to look for it please we will be there sorry this guy is looking for all the other ladies are very lazy they are very lazy then if you are lazy you will be lazy please maybe you will be lazy so you will be lazy but you will be lazy lazy who is lazy the person who is lazy there are people etching outside here by the way at White 54 and at White 54 Facebook page is also at White 54 you drop your comment there there are people who have already people etching with comments so we have to read there there is somebody called Great Landware M he says age does not matter but the true love comes through the heart whether you are ugly, poor as long as there is love in the air it is fine you will comment about this there is somebody saying what you have said again and again maturity but when there is maturity is called Jeff Busolo when there is maturity everything is okay but let's go go first to this love thing he is saying that so long as there is love whether you are ugly he is saying that love is blind love is blind to ugliness so love is also blind to age do you think this is true at some time but at some time there is something called distinct I don't know if maybe we agree if God is distinct me to marry that kind of a person there are guys who argue like that I was even asked somebody before he came here what about if God is ordained that you are supposed to get married that person is older than you by 20 years you are a big 20 years older than you so you are doing things as per God's plan does it work through this love blind to everything first do you believe that love is blind no love sees it has eyes who tweeted love for me to love a person there must be a reason as to why I am loving this person I cannot just meet you the way there is that they say it's my blood you are for the first time I just find myself having that feelings for you but these feelings maybe if it was that true love yes we may stay together and things work out but if it was just for last then after doing my whatever I drop it then this is now where you are talking about love for me to love a man for me to get into a relationship with a man I must have my own factors to consider I will not just go into a relationship blindly the way we say love is blind no there must be factors to consider so love is blind but it should not be blind to reality but you guys have said that I am a macho you can't be blind but it should not be blind to reality there is somebody here listening like Mugabe he is called Akboi Kenya he says it is a factor like age lady is a factor come marry my grandmother she is single this resembles what this resembles what Mugabe told Obama when Obama was pushing for do I call it gay zoom he told Obama if you really believe gay zoom should really take place come marry me I am available here for you what do you think about this guy is it too brutal that's brutal I said he is a consolation that's why I remain to say the moment we push a lot that age is not a factor unless we want just to console ourselves because reality by itself will defeat a lot of things you might get to a point you don't reason together maybe like now what she was saying she can't go for 60 because there is a point where some reality will happen in her life and she wants either to enjoy some things which me who is 60 feel like she will not do she will not do she will not do you find this person getting other people I have an auntie who is married to some old man most of the time when they talk it's this auntie who came to report to us who is the man who told me when my daughter is with me when she is with me you are a child you cannot advise me things I have seen here on earth are far much like things you have seen so it comes then again to when this my daughter was telling him comes to reality so you are right so you are right then we will result into infidelity I also have a case a story of someone a lady I know she got married to a very old guy but she was in an arrangement whereby I might not be going out with you but you can always go out then in time this guy realized he would never see a woman but she allowed the chick to be going out because at her age she still wants to meet her friends finish a malzeo story the old guy is a malzeo story so at the end of the day the split was because the lady got another person was entertaining and better than this guy so this guy becomes relevant so baby anna provide to the shelter and the money but at the reasoning point and the lifestyle you are too wild apart let me finish these comments maybe we will react kuna jama na itwa ukiyona raba toroka kuna majina in facebook he says still loading to me these are just no to him is no like Ruth was putting it then there is Stephen hej matasa lot other lady who was 33 years old and I was 27 years actually this lady disturbed me I decided to leave her maybe raba masika could disturb your labor at one and then there is janata at some point it matters because of course a young lady can't date an old man and still say it is a relationship that's apparent to apparent relationship it does matter that is according to this person hej matasa lot you are calling them ancestors again ancestors leaving there is somebody called be the asli by the asli it's called be be the asli he says it's not age just a number he says I'm watching from a chakus he says it's not age just a number he says this the girl is bringing us to a number thing but now when it comes to an area when you are calling people ancestors the guy is just being realistic oh that is being realistic now he is using maybe a harsh word the word is a bit but that's the truth things will not really happen when you talk about ancestors you need to be having in books stories a short story a short story again from me I had an uncle called Charles this is my real story he married, he was abicted he married some young lady so this lady wanted to be going out so my own brother was assigned to be taking her out to the clubs this my uncle remains in the house so my younger brother takes her and he wants my younger brother saying you can touch your mum in Kijelu the wife of your brother of your father is your mother so don't ever touch your mother you just need to be take her out you give her security and you make sure men don't touch her you know that is dangerous that is dangerous you can get in my brother could be beaten for fusing that men don't touch him so I think if you are dating maybe an older person then you could be living just like my uncle did you could be living for provisions for the age difference exactly of course just the way I was saying initially age you need to look at reality we talked about the kids coming in even also the kids what we are looking at am I able to understand her dream because she might be maybe I am the older person here and she is still talking about maybe she wants to go out doing dancing and those kind of things because that is maybe the same thing by them the trading at her age I don't understand that to me I feel like she needs to start living kama mimi at that age so they will be a clash at the end of the day I don't really feel comfortable you are coming back to say this compromise if there is give and take you give up some things and you take up some things so that you match but we are taking a very short break then we are coming back to this conversation keep it here why 254 imagine we are back and this is power talk so we are starting with the comments the people who have sent their comments so let's get them then we go on with this it is not an issue for me it is not an issue what matters to me is the maturity level because I understand that age does not equal maturity you can be older and still act like a young kid and you can be a young guy but still act like a very mature person so it all depends on the maturity level and secondly the parties able to accommodate each other and also get along well that's all that matters to me age is something to be considered in a relationship because you find that ladies tend to mature faster than men so most ladies prefer men to be a bit older than them like maybe 3 to 7 years there so that's the relationship can stabilize and they could get to respect each other because when your age is a bit closer or in the same age made to your partner you see that like most of the things you do or most of the things that you share it's almost the same you cannot reason out of the box you reason the same, you do things the same and for a relationship to be more healthier and to go far it needs someone to be a bit head someone who thinks a bit faster or a head than the other person so to me men should be older than women good morning age matter in a relationship if you ask me, ya it does matter that's my opinion it matters because by the look of it girl children are growing up and when starting a family a boy should be the head a man should be the head of the family and when you start a relationship with someone who is younger than you as a lady you tend to think faster than that guy because and when you start a relationship with that guy so ita kwa ngumu kido kwa that guy because you'll be the one thinking for him so ya ya as a man of the family hata kwa na kupia some opinion or maybe some opinions and they're like a decision a decision and hata kwa kumambia some things hata kwa na na it's like you're controlling him so it will be tricky it will be tricky kwa ziata na ikamu na mkontro hata kwa na na opinions ake zikiwa opinions ake zikiwa ziko chinia ma some opinions kwa na nika ma zifai kwa kwa tricky let me ask is age a factor in a relationship of course age is a factor in a relationship reason reason number one why age is a main factor in a relationship because if the lady for example we say ita kwa kwa kwa when a kwa kwa kimumu sana kua respect ma na mume kumana en County Teena age ina matter kwa Oplicity kwa kwa来 Gilbert ano nika ma anêtumu totoa K ano adokumu totoa K like Kueilde Indonesia an Tat drugs you're exot emphasize Weh badu wuqa, weh badu wuqa, so if you can marry your agemate, if you can marry your agemate, she will like look older. Now imagine if you marry somebody much older than you, a lady older than you, it rarely works, but the other way round works because you know that some lady there said that she will be the one thinking for you, she will be the one thinking for you because she's older than you. What is wrong with she thinking for you? See you are one. There is a problem, there is a way we are wired, men are wired differently from women. We are wired in a way that we always want to take a center stage in whatever we are doing. That thing is in us. We want to dominate. Yeah, it's not a chauvinistic thinking, but it's a way that we are wired to… It's natural. We lead, we want to lead. And of course now the way she brought in the word of God, now if you're talking about now in Christianity setup, I'm the man of the house. And the ladies expect that, you're leading me, I'm here for you to lead me. It's so true according to what one of the dem said, they mature faster than us. And that will be a problem. Yes. Because maybe me na fukiriya, I'd given a certain example, I'm 25. Maybe you know that I'm 26. Yes. You know that I'm 26. Yes. You know that I'm 36. Yes. So after a meet up, okay after a meet up. Ruth, before we went for a break, you were talking about compromise. Don't you think you can compromise your thinking, your quenda out here? Just compromise so that you blend my shayenu, you bring in your 30, he brings his 70. So that you meet up with katikati, you leave some things and take up some things of the old. You pay attention to those old people who are young, they meet up with katikati. You blend tomorrow. It's labor. It's not natural. There is fear and there is respect. And in a relationship it depends on how you interact in the house or in that relationship. If you can sit down, we talk without that fear. Yes. Then I can step down to some extent. Ile na ita ni miza sana. Mitu kama mimi na e, auta ni kanyagani yone. Auta ni kanyagani. Uta rukama. Uta ungeya. Uta ungeya. So if you are that person. Uta unegiliwa. We will sit down, we talk. If it fits me, as well as you, then we do it. If it doesn't, but what I know in a relationship it is between the two of us. I know you are saying something about natural whatever. That it's just natural that when you reach some age, you must be doing some things. Exactly, as you are moving on. Kuna kuna ejiflani yambawosatun ta kila mitu kuji bamba. And so she will be getting into a place where she has to compromise a lot of things. And it's not because it's not flowing naturally. Life has to flow naturally at one point. Kuna place. Ata kama kumpe ni ciali. I might be 30 and I go to start dating some ladies 19. Without reasoning. I mean as I call it, gold is called 40. Yes. Yes, but I don't want to get confused. That is just confusion. Yes. There is nothing there. There is something in psychology called fixation. Fixation means if you record some stage in life, then it will haunt you like it will come later in life. For example, I want to give you a perfect example from my village. There is Hamzeh who still goes to disco Matanga and dance like dog children. It means he is just aged with age, but mentally he is down. He is down there like these kids. So don't you think he can marry the people with whom he is in the same age? Mentally not physical age, just the mental age. I agree in a point. That age should be a factor. The same age or something. Something close there because some lady was saying that kama na marimuntu akumbeli ake maybe a kwa 3 to 7 years. Apu akusawa. Because more than that, we are going to clash. We are going to clash because she is thinking about something. Maybe I feel like where I am, I need a lady who is now coming to organize my life. My life. So we are discussing some things anyway. We won't flow. If somebody is asking about the age and has a compromise, wujama kwa chena miyaka ngapi, diyong feel we are ok. Miyaka kumina ngapi. That is what I started with. If jama nimi mwa chena 2 to 3 years, I am very much ok with it. 2 to 3? Nimi mwa chah, alafu aama jama amenia chah, na 5 years, I am very ok. Oh, 2 to 3? Ya, kama nila zi mania chi jama na years, nimi mwa chena 2 to 3 years, but not more than that. Kama amenia chah, akwa amenia chah na 5 years. Aliwa just a number. What 2 a chah na nangapi? Fudim. Yes. Awachwe. Awachwe na 3 to 5. Awachwe apu. 3 to 5. 3 to 5. Awachwe apu. Yes. 5 to 7. 7 to 7. 7 to 10. Akwa 90. Akwa 90. Lakeema kuesa chali. No, umu usiwa iwa atuwa. Umu usiwa iwa atuwa. No no atuwa. Aliwa, lemia. Aliwa lemia. Ok, the qualities you look for na lady. Umu mew na kwa gu. The qualities I look for na man, nimi mew na kwa ku, na siyo tilazne metyi nikiwa mkuba, kweniko mga 30 yas 27 sva, katua mga uso ya atani, kwa unia ya na uwa na uwa na rizon. Kwa unia ya na rizon, na tuki Kati, na 20 yas mga isi na uwa, kweniko mga uwa na rizon katua, uwa 30 yasaofu kwa. Kusi mga mga kwa tanira mga, niat kwa mga mweni na 30 yasaofu watu mga za sui na za uwa... We have a good confirmation that took the process of fasting prayers, laid hands, we can accept. But if you do, let's not lie those jokes. Because today the first day we are meeting, the first day we are meeting is hour. Kidooga after one year, two years it's come to realize, when reality dawns in, that's where the problem is. So must have a God guided kind of. One to badua na tuma comments through WhatsApp. To skiza easy comments, then we pick it from there. We care for you. We letuna each na what supper tuna, you and you pick muna each. So watcha to skiza comments. And allow kutuma. Nga kashuga mami. Ya pama. Even if it's one day, ya nga bani mi. No. Agi na matakwa relationship ya kwa? Ya agi na saka, kwa mi sa kya agi na? Kwa ni ni? Kwa nga puna, kwa nga puna, kwa nga puna. Kwa nga puna, kwa nga puna. Kwa nga mimi. Tama mi mi sa zideti na tanata shana. It's either kwa fifafias, older, ama 10, em se machua. Eh, mi na miko, age the same na think the same. Tato mingis, indio? I'm Nancy from Nyandaroa and I will just say muntu ule mu oldest akwe kijana Nasi kuwaiti old kabisa Wachene difference yam yaka need just enough and then because ita kuna reason needs reasonable rather than unu nolio namsim old, amamu young, zanyu amta kakafutabu, you're not of the same age, yeah I'm Pascal from Basel age does not matter what matters is the maturity of somebody if you can understand the lady then she also understands you will be able to lead a quiet and peaceful life thank you we, the kuna lady ya pa mesema ata kamemi nia chanasiku moja weu nim toto akuta kuwanau toto muna madem piya waji unikuwa nizakuwanau toto waw piya wanga liye maturiti Ruth you are the one presenting this other gender here tell us why you think utoto tuni ya wanau mesi ya nu ok, I differ with your guda madem diwa kuna utoto more than men I differ with that lady madem wakuna utoto more than men and let me now speak the reality lady is almost 30 years but still behaving like someone of 15 or 18 years very true itna lingana and men wana ezapata wale ok, kuna wale wana umewa kutuna utoto adikifu na kuna wale wene wana machuatu from the word go so ima mpuna utoto let us not put it on men alone utoto iku both sides ata mimi nisa zingina kuna wale niza kuna edumates wangu tuna ungeya uta uto ana reason hunkatu edumates uto ana reason until ujihuli zi e nambuna mimi rotsize the reason even wuna wana kitu kayo then you pick from there and say that ok, I want to copy niku e kama alafu the same same group uto ana kudia na ungeya sheet until najihuli ziha na uju isi in the right group so utoto watu, watewa konayo I really need to know what this utoto thing means muwana ume ama dema kifanya ni ni sasa aina sema akuna utoto fanya ni ni what people always talk about ne umama kuna umama mingi sana so I want to know what utoto means mtu akibie verge maybe in a relationship then uju e uja mba bado akuna utoto ama u dema bado akuna utoto that was a hard one paliku kumesha utoto utoto izi muke kumesha uto ii e utoto izi utoto it's a hard one but me I believe people I don't know it's stereotype or something people believe that if you are certain age the way they tell you that English word, behavior your age but sometimes me am an artist so how do I behave my age I'm always jumping I enjoy myself so at what point are you telling me in utoto no I think maybe we talk about utoto we talk about very serious things in life we talk about very serious things in life look at somebody maybe this is an actor this is Mr. Bean ule in utoto that guy the wife was one day was asked come on a serious person when it comes to serious so I just believe utoto webineza una kana wakatina how you are solving things how you are approaching some issues in life are you serious with it because utoto with the way you are looking at a kid kwa it flyer but you automatically I've come for this show I'm dressed up for this show I'm using my mind to say everything I cannot say this kind of words so there are some things that when I say here in uto ii using your mind to utoto kwa utoto kwa in a simple way here are some cases whereby you are in the house you are in the house or you are in a relationship nowadays in Nesimo I know that you work with social media you have work meets there you have friends, a lot of people but here comes a case where I am a lady I know your mind and you chose me among all those ladies and I know where it happened then I don't want to see any lady calling your number where you are in Nesimo that is where utoto ii you want to access you want to do what you want not thinking of this person this person is a man of people he is a man of people he is a man of people we live alone with your work we live alone with your phone so I will see you later we will see you later but now somebody has come to see me he will ask me when he comes to see me when he is on screen when he comes to see me he will ask me when he comes to see me when he comes to see me he will ask me we appreciate that you sound really different is this also practical she sounds like a very different kind of girl a typical Kenyan girl she calls me she calls me she calls me who is Masi who is Masi so there are two fighters who are labda Masi in the boss then they will ask you who is Masi and they will say hello I got this number from my husband he is 30 years old is this person thinking he is in security there I am material material learning I am material I love our level let me read some two comments there is one called Edwin Edu he says edge is an important thing in any relationship those who don't consider edge if you look slowly one person must be so desperate in love oh desperate in love or maybe somebody was growing up in Peter age so he was desperate me too when I am so older than her it happens mostly with ladies I want to be married it doesn't matter who I am going to marry Boratuni kwa na husband what the Bible says that 7 women run to one man and say Boratuni it will be Bianco I don't care about any other thing I think that's a factor what Edu is saying but there is somebody called Kanaxa X Xa he is called Kalexa he says edge is just a number I know this is a millennial judging by the name what matters is trust, honesty and love life is short na piya ha kuna kuhishi marambili okipada mu enye ana kupenda vile una penda ana kuhishimu what more do you want penda ya ya ya nika so I don't understand I don't understand I don't understand but there is something we might be talking about saying that maybe age age thing is not a factor age is not something but also I believe maybe I might have my own belief she might have her own belief the only problem that is coming right now is how long have you taken to know this person like I know you here the times I used to be in school I was not in school in the 80s but we used to have we were being taught about dating coating those things right now there is no coating as such somebody can rush and say you can get married after 3 months 3 months, 6 months for somebody who is older than me if it were me I would think a bit of some time to understand whatever the extremes of this person because this is a normal arrangement this is a normal arrangement even if it is 2 years older than me as a lady I need to know to what extent I need to stretch her mind a bit this is the way she is thinking because if I just get 3 months or maybe 6 months and I am getting into this marriage things will start revealing themselves maybe in the near future after 1 or 2 years and I will find myself out of the box because this is not normal it should be treated abu numari it cannot be normal it is not a normal thing this is where fixation comes the fixation that I was telling the things that we should be doing during coating so you don't do them so you will find yourself fixated to these things maybe during marriage and you've already married this person so whether you find negative things about him that maybe would make you not marry him you are already married it's when you are knowing her or when you are knowing him so I think the problem comes when tukiruka some stages in life should live that stage fully but the guys almost ever on your story about how you've grown up the guys who were forced to even skip some stages because of some background maybe you are left by your mother and your parents and now you are forced to become a father, a very young age not a father that you have your own kids but now you are taking care of your other siblings so it forces you to be mature that early so you might miss some of the stages as you go on Ruth, kuna bilewa nasema ufaiku dates before fike some age jikama minili ambiwa don't enter into a relationship when you are still in high school wanzi ukiwa maybe kampo kendeleha uko so ita bidi maybe kama ni mischana by the time fike kampo maybe you have become of some age so see now as a PI changia fakta kwa uta age uta date maybe some aged person it's there a specific time you will also help me with that because you are the person who brought it up but let's start with Ruth kuna date, kuna time kwa na fukuansaku date specific age if it's good then a lady she will start dating just as Kenyan whatever you know at 18 you are in university or college kama uli enda 2 visori but here comes a case where where we are brought up like okenda usha ago I thank God maybe wherever na is a gaze kwenya una talk na is a gaze kwenya una talk I know medium gaze so it's the setup or the surrounding the environment where you are being brought up will lead to this wale wa tuto usha ago una is a patam tuto anegia kwa relationship at that date age of 12 of 13 years wale wa tuto usha ago una patam tuto kwa 13 years 12 years badako class 5 something like that so ame anzaku date at this age ok at anza na wale wa primary school when zake but as time goes 1, 2, 3 and now na our school going boys are no longer people and anza kutufutana na watu abuda boda and such kind of people so ina enda umututana kwa setup kwa mindi ake people to date are those older people if we can have those parents like me I know I am doing it and I will do it if we have those parents then we will advise our ladies to start dating at 18 so that at that 18 nadyo umutua 18 at that older person 18 wukingia college when zake within 20 ok wale uta wa pata college me within 25 coming downward so uta pata kwa wale wa watu anza kudete wa kwa miakangabi and then umaliz kwa kwa anza kwa wana kwa kwa miakangabi diting kwa anza masu si date kwa 18 achan na yostori pete jore you stori achan na yao kwa kwa kwa muita kwa experience yaha at heart broken kwa muita tu kwa at breakiva anza sayi The kind of generation we have right now, the boys take time to mature. So kikuna deit kama kwa 18, denu kama unia mbe atini kwa hat-broken. Si kuski. Ya niyo si hati bro, niyo ni to ringi kwa matiaz. Kuna java neuliza. Kuna java neuliza. Kuna nebalia deka ya kwa 16. Ya kwa 16 na mendeka kwa kwa Facebook ati. Ya ya ya, mene ya to break. So people asking him, ame fichato isa. Ame fichato isa. 18 is a big person. Ya, ya, ya. That's why, ati sayo, ame puj. Una onani must be under 21. 21 right now, ime pujwa baka abu. And still 21 bano kuna shida. So I'm saying, kindly take your time. Take your time. If you think you mature, then you can even date at 18 and 19. But to me, with what is happening right now, kindly plan your life. Plan your life. Una java atu. Plan yourself first of all. Because kama ma dem. Ma dem ma kifika 25. 24. Anarizun tofauti. Try and date dem kwa 21. Anakimjie taking inia java. 22 anakimjie. Shia liwa 23. Anikwa atu break. Uga atu break kwa. Uko sawa. Udi suhindi na kwa. Uko sawa. Ume pandafuwa travellas. Ikin na kandwa barabara. Uusila na mike. So last hivi utabaki kuhata broken, chest broken, kidney broken, legs broken. Kila ki kiki. Uriji kuhati broken. Uru tmiku rapaku lisa nini. Wata indeli kwaanza ho? But last one, maybe, is that kama ni ejiya kuhu now get married. Getting married. 24, 25 for a lady. Maybe, now they are, I think now, apamefika point. With the kind of life you are living right now. Jipangi, jisot, siji kuza usikuwa mi But mostly after 25, 26, 27 Most of them feel comfortable in 30 Kuna wajibalu wa kwa 40 na wajibalu Apa 18 na 19, wacha na nai please Wacha na nai, nimi chesu na chesa 12 No no, kenda kutini You are a prosecutor by action Kenda kutini, alafu maybe mtu wa 17 Na na penda na na mtu, nistia na wa 17 Alafu andi ambi e koti ati But I love him Do you know what the court says? Who do you know about love? Ata kubali, nai kata uyo bdema kubali, ikwa na kupena The court says that he is not in her right mind He is still a child That is time you need to be building your foundation To me, if you ask me, reality to Mimi nimi se miyang, nimi kuwa, nikiakumitu Ion tempowa, try and build your foundation first Kus even the money we are going to get If you are a lady, unexpected mumna fukiriya Because you will get that lady 18 na taku letim suwa yuni Ata 30a o something 30a kimalza 4thia, aki kungalitna ivena siyanga What are we doing together? Ata kwa cha, uta cheswa So kama taku cheswa Cheswa 18 Ruth, tell lady something about dating and age Look straight to this camera And teach girls because you are a teacher Now you are teaching the wholeness When you are teaching millions of girls Now you are watching Teach them something About dating and age Actually, first of all The first thing we need to know In our life is to value ourselves As ladies Let you respect yourself That is first Because when you respect yourself You will not get into a relationship That may lead nowhere But when you respect yourself You sit down and think And say that this is what I want in life And not this So you will know where to go And where to start from About age If it is someone who is older than you That will make you happy Go for it But prepare yourself For what to come But to me I would advise You sit down and look for someone Who is in the age bracket as you Then everything will be okay Thank you Those who are Ruth's final comments Now Alewa Just tell us what you think Generally that we are coming back to you For something So what I think is This is a very sensitive thing And it can affect your life at the end of the day In different ways But of course I have friends Who are guys In terms of age wise And in that kind of a case I am saying you need to know this person well You need to know this person well And if you are talking about God It must be a God destiny thing This is a destiny partner And if God allows you to understand the person well And good But in normal circumstances In Takanakwa The other way round The lady should be younger than the guy But if it happens Then kindly if you are a guy Because Somebody said When you truly love someone Age doesn't matter Whether it is difference of 2 years Or 30 years Love is love Those are not my comments So my comments maybe I will preserve For later date But now we are coming back to you Alewa The other side of you Where I notice You have a brand And it is called Leo Nileo Leo Nileo A little about it Oh Nigospel Nigospel I mean it was a gospel And I have been doing gospel for almost Now 20 years We are Katika Numbaya Baba And when we work at Katika Numbaya Baba When we work at Katika Numbaya Baba Rizon So to Rizon Age doesn't matter But let us finish with Alewa's song of Leo Nileo Till we meet again for this power talk next Tuesday And on behalf of Rama Guko for whom I am standing in today Shalom God bless