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You're my kind of woman and that would be sung to the tune of Something you've been kicking around for what years or yeah, I know You really need to lead with bus stop and then say and then the words would be because I it's so you know the song Cuz I totally get it once you bust up on the Hollies, right? Yeah, so Stop waiting. Yes, this would be mudflap lady. Yeah, see it totally fits Or you could do punk rock girl, but mudflap girl I don't know it just doesn't sit right what Mudflap lady is great. I've never heard a song use that mudflap person Mudflap human A spokesperson for mud Mudflap Express would like everyone to know Brought to you by mudflap express. All right, huh. Well folks It's time for us to transition into daily tech news show Sarah I believe it is time for you to do the honors. Okay, we'll do here we go two Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash supports This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday June 6 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from beautiful downtown Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Jones And our producer Roger Chang is biting his time in the valley Biting it's not at all beautiful outside. It's still overcast, but the the advantage is it's much cooler than here I'm long enough. What happens the June gloom goes away. I see We're gonna talk about the Sonos thing we're gonna talk about some Microsoft announcements from Computex But let's start with a few other tech things you should know As Tom mentioned Sonos had an announcement today The Sonos Beam is a compact home theater speaker that supports Amazon voice services at launch and Apple's Airplay 2 starting in July $399 available for pre-order now shipping July 17th We're gonna talk a little bit more about this and what it means for the larger voice assistant platform a little later Indeed we will Apple's Air Pods will get support for live. Listen when it arrives in iOS 12 Live listen is designed to work with made for iPhone hearing aids It can stream microphone audio from the phone to the hearing aid and now to Air Pods as well AMD announced the second gen of the thread ripper processors and will include a model with four eight core Ryzen dies Combined into one monstrous 32 core part capable of handling 64 processing threads But double the cores of the previous thread ripper and out doing those 28 Intel announced yesterday AMD says it will still fit in the same motherboard socket as the last gen It'll be built on a 12 nanometer process and available in Q3 Lenovo announced the modular Z3 play in Brazil Wednesday has a six inch 2160 by 1080 18 by 9 screen with a fingerprint reader on the side The Z3 play will sell bundled with either a speaker or battery module for $499 starting this summer, but that's not what people want to talk about they want to talk about Facebook given data to China right Scott That's my understanding Facebook says Yahweh Lenovo Oppo and Tcl all used its API that stored Facebook user data and data of friends on devices Facebook says the API did not allow data to be stored on device maker servers and restricted Who else could or what else could be done with it? The New York Times reported Sunday that Apple Amazon Blackberry Microsoft and Samsung all use the API as well Facebook said the API was needed before apps for widespread to allow Facebook functions in device operating systems And it used its use is just dwindled over time It promised to wind down at Yahweh's use of the API by the end of the week 60 companies worldwide took advantage of the API and Facebook says more than half of them have stopped. So this was like Well before apps were as capable and certainly the operating systems They were installed on whereas capable of what Facebook needed and now it's going away Yeah, I don't want to sound like a Facebook apologist here, but this is different than Cambridge Analytica What happened here was Facebook basically allowed a built-in app of sorts and said hey device makers run an Android or you run an iOS We will let you have access to some of the data that is needed to make Facebook work And among that data is data from your friends because you want to have some of your friends local contacts stored Just like you would in the app I mean in a way the app does this to it stores your local information on the device It just stores it under Facebook's control in the Facebook app. This data was stored under the operating systems control So technically it is a not under Facebook's control and that's what has everybody so upset Senators are posturing now and calling for Facebook to come back to Congress Accusing them of hiding this saying you gave data to Chinese companies and you didn't tell us And again, I'm not telling you whether to say this is right or wrong But no that this is very different than we collected data and gave it To Huawei this was we allowed their devices to access our API Which and API's need to access data in order to operate you still had to be logged in and users were Under were had control over the data the way they would in the app So it's a little bit of a different scenario. However, the other side of this is that Facebook Wasn't in direct control because they gave the operating system these hooks into the API So nefarious things conceivably could have happened Facebook says it didn't and they were so restricted that it wouldn't have happened But you know, there are still some questions there Dory the way I look at this is Like much of technology. There's it's an iterative work And sometimes you do stuff to make things work that you would never use in a modern context The only thing I would say is maybe Facebook could have cleared the air during those conferences and just said For example back in the day, we have this API that is in very little use now And I think they just didn't consider it to be data-sharing right they considered it to be like an app and and now that people looking at they're like Well, I guess it's not exactly like an app, but yeah complicated, yeah Cisco's Talos security team discovered that the VPN filter malware That was thought to be a minor problem is a bigger problem It uses something called an essler module ssl er to inject malicious payloads into traffic coming through an infected router The malware can capture passwords send them to botnet servers It can strip away secure connections and modify page content one example given in ours technica article by Dan Gooden Was modifying a banks page to display your normal balance in order to hide that the botnet was removing funds from the account Yeah, dirty. That's a possibility. They're not saying it did happen, but it could Also a packet sniffer module was discovered that specifically looks for industrial control systems at specific IP addresses VPN filter targets almost all the routers. I'm just not even going to bother to name them There's very few that aren't targeted and the ones that aren't named might also be targeted about 200,000 routers worldwide are estimated to actually be at risk most of them are in Ukraine and The fixes vary by router now the FBI told people to just reboot the router because that in many cases flushes it out But it doesn't always Some have to be factory reset others need to have new firmware installed So you should find out from your router maker what you need to do just in case have we all factory reset our routers Because I got one on the list Yeah You should you should check with the router maker to find out what they say about VPN filter and then do that Everybody should do that. I did it to a gigabit switch. I have Which as far as I know was not targeted is not any of those things, but I think it's just a safe thing to do Absolutely bonus of it doing that Actually sped up my network. So I can't explain that. I don't know why that happened You should be updating the firmware regularly on your router Anyway, so just use this as a good excuse to go check in and make sure I think a lot of people This is a great point Tom I think a lot of people look at their router and go. Oh, this is like a refrigerator. It's just right I have you plug into it. It spreads things out Like they don't think of it as like a phone or something where they need to be up-to-date on the latest security measures And that's kind of a problem. So maybe that's the good that'll come out of this We'll all be motivated to to keep better track of our router situation We mentioned this when the story broke gosh two weeks ago Now I guess it was that the fact that so many of the routers are centered in the in Ukraine is Probably indicative of no one's necessarily looking at any of our data, right? So you what we obviously want to be protected But the fact that this could be a state-sponsored attack on a particular country based on Issues with another country that is the bigger story. Yeah. Yeah Use it as an excuse to reboot and update factory reset God love it Reuters sources say that ZTE has reached an agreement to lift the US ban on buying from US suppliers Which has caused ZTE to cease major operations The deal supposedly includes a one billion dollar fine plus four hundred million in escrow to cover any future violations The US Commerce Department says no definitive agreement has yet been signed, but they seem to be moving towards one There's all kinds of political directions and economic directions to go with this story I think the reason we're continuing to follow it here is ZTE won't be making new phones And that impacts large parts of the world ZTE might not be able to continue to update its phones If it can't stay in business which impacts even more people in the world So it's important to follow this and know whether they're going to get back into major operations again And it looks like they will it looks like this was in Some sense a negotiating tactic on the part of the US to strong arms ZTE into agreeing to some terms paying some fines and Keep them on the straight and narrow if you if you recall what they were in trouble for was being accused of sharing technology with Iran in violation of prohibitions against that so The the US Department of Commerce taking a hard line wanting to in in their way of looking at a teach ZTE a lesson Well, you're right about all the the angles people are taking on it I mean my impression just looking at it This is just from knowing how big the mobile business is across the world and how it is You know, this was the cash cow for the last ten years and moving forward One point or one billion in fines and then this four hundred million in escrow seems small to me and I and that's just because I'm Conditioned lately to think that ever the mobile business is nothing but money pouring out of everything And it just seems small to me. So so that there's I just think there's so many different angles on this and so much of it is Just what is this business now and and who? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and how do you arrive at these numbers? It's like ZTE had a seven-year ban ZTE You know for US suppliers supplying parts to ZTE the ZTE says we effectively are done We can't do this anymore the US says, okay Well, let's think of some sort of trade agreement that might make sense for us But yeah, how how do we arrive at that number because I agree with you Scott on terms like these it does seem small Yeah, seems a little to me for that industry anyway. Hey look Facebook announced on Wednesday It would offer news programs from various publishers this year. That's 2018 everybody on its watch platform Including shows hosted by Anderson Cooper of CNN I think he's a robot, but that's got nothing to do with this story Shepard Smith on Fox News also a robot The shows would be original to Facebook and would launch in the coming months With ad breaks said Campbell Brown Facebook's head of global news partners. Yeah, what do you have against Jorge Ramos? It's because you don't think he's a robot that you didn't want to mention him because Univision is gonna be on there too. They're zero problem for a Ramos. So it's Univision I completely just skipped the line to my eyeball, but yes all three of them and I'll tell you what I Actually, I'm looking forward to this. I want to see what this is. I want to see what they do See if it's any good. I like that it kind of spans the perceived spectrum of cable news networks I don't really watch cable news, but I want to see what this is what the tone of it is what the coverage is Like what is this gonna actually look like and sound like and the fact that it's not a Facebook production is interesting to me Yeah, you know, I don't watch cable news much either Scott But I do I have been watching Facebook's watch initiative if you can call it that because a lot of us either directly or indirectly have kind of watched Some series tried to launch on that platform and kind of wondered. What's this going to be? Because that was last year and it was yeah, I don't know a little bit Unclear what watch was going to be in the in the sense of Facebook saying all right we want credible journalists who are respected, you know on on many platforms but political platforms rather and We think that this is the best way for exclusive content to Facebook You know that someone like Anderson Cooper if you happen to be a fan of his or Jorge Ramos or Shepherd Smith or whoever Then yeah, I mean, I'm at least going to you know check in with that and see if it feels Different than what I think a lot of people are already really Have have become Tired of you know in the in the general cable sense. Yep. I don't watch Univision So I can't really say but I have no use for seeing CNN MSNBC or Fox News Anyway putting it on Facebook ain't gonna make it better for me. That's Those who follow patreon and get the alternative Tom takes is a little alternative. I'm coming out there Well, that's but but what if it was okay? Let's say you don't like, you know Whatever that the Anderson Cooper show is 360 or whatever it's called But if it's something very different on the Facebook platform, it's still him from that outlet True. I got no use for those. What if it's something? I'm with it on Facebook doesn't change. Who's doing it? You not like but if the content is different, why would it be different? Well, it's like saying, oh if I Sarah Lynn does a tech news show if she does any other show. She's gonna be the same show Yeah, but it's not a different show. This is the news. This is a new show. Just they're just streaming it on Facebook I need to see it. I'm with Sarah on this. I think I need to see it first before I can say because I think there are Way better outlets for news than These I completely you heard it here Tom does not want to watch TV news in America is useless to me. They have a chance to do something Maybe different there. I'm not saying they're going to just say they have a chance to Hey, it's time to play my favorite game, which Microsoft announcement do you find more interesting? All right, here's the first announcement Microsoft announced Windows Collaboration displays at Computex, which is somewhere between a surface digital hub and a monitor It's not quite a full touchscreen. It has to be connected to a Windows PC But it's more than a monitor because it uses Azure IoT spatial intelligence Microsoft says it could adapt to heating cooling booking of the room. It can all be adapted using a little bit of AI Sharp and Avercor are building them. Okay before you react. Here's the other announcement Microsoft also announced it brought a new data center online called the Northern Isles Located under the sea near Orkney and Shetland in Scotland It's called project Natic Researching energy efficiency now previously project now tick ran a data center off the Central Coast of California for 105 days That was just to see if it was possible Northern Isles is going to test if it's practical. It's a small data center 40 feet long 12 server racks 864 servers, but if this works they say if this can work in the northern sea, it'll work anywhere Wow So we're supposed to tell you which story we like better. Yes I'm gonna go with under Shetland myself Because why does a data center need to be under the ocean cooler? Okay, and making it more energy efficient sure sure but but but all the other complexities that come with it I love this. I think more things should be underwater But yeah, that's that that that's the that's the wow story of the two for me I think there's a more practical usage for the first story But the other one is probably more interesting and look the quicker humans evolve Gills and Water the quicker we get to water world and I and I'm famously Microsoft close to naming Ariel as the new head of data centers Like it, but it's it is interesting like water and taking advantage of water in this way is kind of interesting I dread the day when one of those things has like a Pressure implosion and we blow server crap all over the ocean like enough crap in the ocean, but sure Why not if we're if we're gonna know if that's how servers work, but okay, right? Living in California, you know, I'm at the point where I'm like well What about the huge earthquake that ruins the data center? It's like well, maybe maybe that that area of the world does not have these there's been a data spill off the coast of Orkney Poor seagulls are just covered in data. Yeah, what would you rinse off a seagull a whole bunch of Helpful paper clips that are asking you if you need help doing a thing. Yeah, oh D-frag D-frag the seagulls if you want to get all the tech headlines each date about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot-com available on the Amazon echo Google home and the anchor app. That's daily tech headlines Dot-com. I'm sorry. You had me at D-frag the seat Really good the sonos beam soundbar $399 you can pre-order it right now ship in July 17th different Than the sonos play base and play bar. Those are its other Soundbar surround sound speakers that sit in front of your TV Those are bigger and they don't have voice activation The new beam is only 25 inches across and the beam is different than the sonos one Which is their other voice activated speaker, but that one is not a soundbar This one sits in front of your TV. It provides a full range of Four woofers one angled on each end and two front-facing a single tweeter in the middle three passive radiators And they say you could add a pair of sonos ones and a sonos sub to build out a 5.1 surround sound system So they're like you could start with this and build out if one or not So Sarah you own the sonos one, right? I have two of them actually and it was funny my first reaction. This was wait a second Okay, so it's a soundbar, but it's kind of like a sonos one and they say that Amazon's assistant is built-in, but there'll be others you know working on Google's and Airplay to functionality coming soon. I was like this is exactly like the sonos one But as you mentioned it is designed to be in conjunction with the television. The sound is different It's a you know, you know, it's I don't know for anybody who has a soundbar or knows what they look like You know, it's it's it's designed to basically Take The replacement of a 3.1 system if you have limited space or yeah Makes it easy puts them as virtual surround and yeah exactly and so for me I was like I wouldn't want this however once I was like oh wait a second because my sonos ones Have great sound quality. I do believe that if you really really care about sound quality You need to get the sonos sub which is a separate purchase But with those and this sonos beam I could effectively replace a very large lovely, but but clunky and kind of antiquated Barrows and Wilkins speaker system that I have now and save a lot of space. Yeah, I Want Scott you you're like I just want one I totally do I mean I the problem with me and sonos has always been they're just a little pricey and and when I start looking at competition I'll make concessions for a lower price and stuff like this and I think it's because more and more I'm Kind of consuming content with headphones on and I'm just like not in front of a TV as much as I used to be So it's not a priority for me so I can go yeah I'll just buy this cheap off-the-shelf Samsung combo TV speaker thing and and I'll do okay for a hundred bucks versus the you know I guess three ninety nine or whatever this thing is so my point is yes I want one now one one thing to keep in mind is this uses HDMI for the audio It does not use optical audio. It does not use component audio. Good to say Uses HTMI hoping that you'll have a TV with audio return channel in the HDMI spec This is gonna be confusing arc supposedly recognizes a speaker and send sound to it That's the way it works, but if your TV supports it is a question Sonos told the verge about 80% of new TVs will automatically detect an arc speaker and start sending sound to it If there don't you can usually go into settings and turn it on But not all the HDMI ports might be arcs You'd have to know which one is arc and then plug it into that one and then maybe go into settings It's not for everybody gonna be just plug it in and it works now. They are providing a Converter for you to use optical audio, but that's not that's gonna lose a couple of the features The reason they're doing HDMI is this allows the voice activation for you to say turn on the TV turn off the TV Because it can use the consumer electronics control the CEC to use the voice activation to control the television They also say the voice activation ought to work with something like the fire TV to launch apps and stuff like that But it's only one port They don't want to be your HDMI switcher. They're trying to future proof themselves So that's something to keep in mind. The other thing is they're getting Airplay 2 in July So you will be able to use it with Siri kind of through your iPhone or your iPad They're doing something called continuity of control where if you start music and then walk out of the room Or leave the house. It'll still play And if somebody else starts music with let's say they have title and you don't they start title songs You can still go into the Sonos app and pause it and at $399. It's the same price as the Google Home Max It's 50 bucks more than the HomePod But it also works as a soundbar So it has more utility than them Deeter Bone points this out on the verge story And because Sonos is trying to mediate between all these different ecosystems. It works With more services than either of those they are they say they're gonna have Google Assistant available by the end of the year What do you guys think of them trying to be the platform that says use whatever voice system you want will support it? I think that's great as soon as I get something besides what Amazon is offering That was part of the reason that I liked the idea of the Sonos even though I that that Google Assistant was not available when I bought them, but that was a promise of it It's Siri was sort of vaguely mentioned as like yeah, we'll figure that out too. But yeah I mean a platform agnostic assistant speaker Slash soundbar slash whatever as long as it sounds good and and I have more options I would pay more for that for sure What I'm not I'm sorry Scott go ahead. I was just gonna say my biggest selling point is that for me interoperability with other services Being third-party agnostic is enormous. So if I am in the market for something like this, that plays a huge role for me Even if they don't have some of quite figured out or they haven't integrated everything yet The promise of that is is a good strong reason why I would consider this over the competition One of the other questions I had was for arc audio return channel Which as you mentioned Tom is this is the htmi port has to be our compliant I have no idea if I have an r-compliant htmi port in my television, which is less than 10 years old But you probably do but I don't I don't know. I've never actually had to think about that before so yeah Yeah, I mean depending on how widespread this was 10 years ago Probably not there, you know, that's that's something to consider as well unless you're upgrading your television yeah, so a lot of people are just gonna plug this in and Sonos is counting on it just working most of the time, but some people are gonna have to pull out their manuals and That's something sonos is avoiding. It's why they don't want to be an htmi switcher It's why they don't want a daisy chain and let you plug a device into that that then sends the sound through because That's more to fail. I get that I get why they're not being an htmi switcher for your other devices I think that's kind of smart But it does cause this other complexity and they're gambling that enough people have newer televisions that it won't matter Yeah, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them a daily tech news show Dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show before we get out of here Let's see what's in the mailbag. Let's do it Michael in sunny and hot north, Texas rights Last Friday's DTNS Tom asked if listeners actually wanted to hear about rumors and speculation This was in reference to us saying hey, we're gonna talk about WWDC on Monday Once we hear the keynote rather than talk about all the rumors beforehand and just save ourselves some trouble He says release dates announcement dates and pretty much confirmed features. Yeah hearing about those can be beneficial They've unfortunately been times when I bought a phone only to find out later that the next version was announced a day or two Later would have liked to know about that beforehand. He says not your no notch How tall the notches and millimeters camera megapixels colors? If this was an Android specific show or Apple specific show or some other specific show, sure That'd be appropriate, but if sources seem to all be pointing to a new iPhone being announced on July 5th Yes, Michael says please share that. I Like this this is reasonable. It's saying like yeah Tell me when there's gonna be an announcement and give me a rough idea of what to expect So I don't go buy the old iPhone right before the new one comes out or the old galaxy s right before the new one comes out I think we do that because the announcements are rumors the announcements are usually fact, right? We say oh the announcement is coming although sometimes with Samsung and Apple particularly will start to get the rumor is the announcement of the Announcement was coming on Tuesday and that gets a little silly But but yeah, I think that's fair like tell people like hey, maybe know this to hold off because we might be getting X Y or Z It helps make a purchasing decision. It's a great point, Michael There was definitely a moment during the Apple conference this week or the stage presentation where they were talking about a whole lot of features that To me absolutely point to the idea that the next set of phones are all going to be face ID based They're gonna be iPhone 10s and beyond and that they're gonna phase out what the eight and others like it are and If if you the problem is I had to decrypt that on my own, right? I kind of had to go. Oh, well this these big changes in iOS 11 or 12 definitely point in that direction So in my own head, I'd go. Oh, well that would mean I definitely don't want to get an eight right now I should wait and see what they do for hardware announcements later this fall or the summer or whenever they're going to do it and The problem is that you kind of have to do that on your own and you gain that knowledge over time after dealing with a company like that For that long. I completely agree. It'd be nice if we had I don't know just more to go on, you know Yeah, I I Assume that that's just the beat of Apple, right? They're gonna have the face ID and everything out That's how they'd usually do it. They put it in a phone and they let it trickle down. So so, yeah I think that's smart on the other hand the time to buy a new device is when your old device doesn't work anymore And to me if you have to wait a week to replace it Yeah, that makes sense But if I wouldn't wait six months to replace it you're halfway through and there's always gonna be a new device coming out That's true. That's just my Well, thank you Michael. I'm good to you know keep us reminded that people do care about rumors to a certain extent But we don't have to go too crazy Especially when you know something like WWDC DC happens and we all say it's kind of what we already thought was happening So that's that sort of speaks to your point. Also. 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Saltwater servers You know, that's actually that that's like the two major Stumbling bush with having a large underwater server farm You have the immense pressure, but you also have the saltwater which is super gross Ark compliant hdmi ports are normally labeled with the letters A rc for easy identification. Well, and I you know as soon as I Realized that I was like well if my tv wasn't, you know bolted to the wall. I'd write a little bit harder, but It the reports are available Right, gotta get in there and yeah, and it probably is it's just not something I ever flashed before Yeah Oh, I did I did get a really cool email just now beneficiary claim sarah lane is owed all caps We've reviewed your findings and we think you may be the beneficiary of a recent clack class action Thank you review your info now and click through to claim what's owed to you. Yeah, don't don't click on that claim settlements Oh $1,000. What fun clicking on something in an unrelated email that you weren't expecting is never dangerous No It's they also by that. I mean don't ever click on that people. I'm kidding They also used my contact as you know how gmail doesn't recognize thoughts So when I see one, I'm like, you don't know me That's not necessary. You don't know me Oh, let's just defrag the seagulls wins It weans it weans Okay Well, congratulations on your thousand dollars that you will lose from your account if you click off You know, I actually have a special account for those kinds of things tom. Did I tell you about my not that I don't want a thousand dollars, but that just But that's not real. That's not what's happening. Are you gonna say scott? Did you hear about the phishing scheme? I fell for what you did a whole episode on it on dts labs So indeed he did Oh, did I went? No, not labs. Did I yeah? Oh, yeah, I did. No, no, no not that one. That wasn't a phishing scheme That was just like a vulnerability server thing. Oh, okay. There was it when you were on vacation tom. Yeah while you were out of town Uh, this was the the blizzard thing. Yeah, I did hear about that. Did you hear about it? I was confusing those two. Yes, you did. You told me about that I swear Or either you told me or I listened to the episode where you talked about it Because I told it on there, but man What a kick in the groin that turned out to be It's clever. This is this that's pretty good. Like Not it was beyond clever that guy had to have listened to the show because there was no there was no other announcement before I got his email Um, that means he listened that means he then Kind of knew somehow he knew that the codes had been sent to me by blizzard already. He may have guessed He probably just guessed. Yeah, it's good. But it all was like perfect guess perfect timing perfect diction, which Unfortunately that makes a difference never judge on diction. But yeah, when you see misspellings you get you get Across the board it seemed legit until I went wait a minute Why are people coming back with bad codes and I realized oh my gosh, this guy completely got me Smooth doctors are the worst Yeah, uh, when you hear from someone you weren't expecting to hear from Be careful Especially if they say they're from the ios and you're going to be picked up by the sheriff in 45 minutes If you don't pay them $4,000 immediately over the phone My wife had one of those I did I talked about when they called me Yeah, a couple months ago now he was right around tax time. So I guess yeah just a month and a half ago but you know Praying on us all just being kind of nervous like taxes and you know making sure that's all going well and I knew the scam I had heard a friend explain this to me, you know, and we all laughed and went ha ha That's so crazy. Why would you ever believe that? But when someone says you're going to prison Even if you know that they're completely full of there's that little doubt I don't want to go to prison. Yeah, it's still like, you know, like your blood pressure rises Yeah, no that is like I mean go ahead and fish ski me all day long. But if you tell me I'm going to prison I'm going to find you and I will find you Put you in prison Yeah, I'm hanging by your boots upside down. Yeah Well, even if you know that when that phone calls going and you know that this is not real and you know, whatever Yeah, no violating. It just feels terrible. Yeah, it's one of the yeah It's one of those things where you're like, I just can't believe that this is a scam You know that that is being tried on just anybody who might fall for it because it's so mean Anytime anyone tries to threaten you into doing something It's a violation that you just want to well my immediate reaction is to hunt them down And then you're about their boots and put a giant sign that says pinata. Please hit me And have sticks just just liberally around and just yeah But sometimes they can be hard to pin down There was that Episode of I don't know if you guys listen to reply all Which is one of the gim up media shows. It's really good. But there was a it was like a two-parter episode about One of the reporters who works for the show who had gotten some sort of a scam call And ended up like figuring out how to like Get the same man on the phone again Um and was like, I just want to know like what's going on in your head, you know And so and they kind of like struck up a friendship if you can call it that but it was like The guy basically admitted. Okay. Yeah, you're right. This is what i'm doing and you know, it was it was There was there was there was some meat to the conversation Lived in india The reporters went to india Wow, like meet him And I don't want to spoil the thing But I mean it's a really fascinating couple hours of just like Really trying to track down somebody in real life, but also What what who do you work for? Where is this? You know, what are you doing? That's risky for that person to talk Yeah Well, and you know, there's some twists and turns in the story as I'm sure you can imagine but but but probably the most in in depth kind of I don't know story that I've heard about Why these things happen, you know Where people are working physically and what their situation might be that requires them to do this Why they don't feel bad about it or they do So I don't know. Look it up Read a book read a book I'm gonna sick Liam Neeson on you the more you know I've never seen those taken movies I know what I know what you mean. I know the reference, but I've never seen those They don't seem like my kind of movies. It's a Liam Neeson. They're dumb. I love them I'm sure they're good, but they seem like action movies to me and how come we didn't get uh 14 sequels to not without my daughter Which was basically taken Is that also Liam Neeson? No, it's not. It's it's like the Dante's peak to Liam Neeson's Armageddon Uh Was an Armageddon a deep impact that was impact was oh, I'm sorry. I was Dante's peak to volcano my apologies or Armageddon to deep it would be yeah, it would be deep impact to I literally confused both movies for a time Like I went to go see one. It's like this isn't the right theater. It's the wrong movie. It's like no way It's the right movie Just seems really familiar. I actually watched Deep Impact and Armageddon back to back Uh, I don't know if I've seen either of them I hear about aliens, right? Let's face off against president Morgan Freeman. Wait, I'm confusing the two movies Armageddon was the Ben Affleck movie. Yeah, that's that's the I know this Fun of the movie for being Armageddon and volcano Are the block buster II? Let's not worry so much about the science versions of Dante's peak and deep impact Yeah, it's it's the over-the-top version of like a movie about wrestling It's like a switch over the top That was a deep cut right there I have the to me Over-the-top is kind of one that should be my level of how I rate movies. I'll just have like it's an over-the-top movie Above or below over the top It's when I turn my head it's like a switch. Hey guard did the title theme from over the top. I believe Yeah, I did What do you think Sammy Hagar is doing right now Margarita with Jimmy Buffett down in Cabo He owns Cabo wabo, right? Right. I knew that but you know probably snorting huge lines of who knows what I'm he's probably too old for that. He's probably like, you know, I'm just gonna sit here and suck down services While enjoying my beachfront property um, it I know Cabo wabo is a place, but isn't it also like a mezcal lion or something Doesn't he have like a lion of tequila? Oh, yeah, I think no, I think you're right Yeah, he's performing in mexico at his cantina a ton and it says he's he's on twitter He's got 209,000 followers and uh, look at Sammy. Yeah, look at him go. He's talking in the interview He may not be with jibby buffett, but he might be drinking a margarita right now. He's busy He's in hagarville hagarville tequilaville no margaritas here just tequila. I do love margaritas I used to like them more than I do now I like the whenever someone's like margarita. I'm like, oh, that sounds good and then How do I do it? I'm like, it's very sweet. Yeah, what depends, right? Yeah, there's uh, there are places where you get a margarita and you're like, oh, that's like a can of soda That's not a margarita. Yeah, um, but the uh, the margarita is at pacos tacos Pacos tacos. Mm-hmm. Paco p a c o paco. I don't want to eat there I've never eaten there, but oh gosh. They're very good. You have to check out pacos I know and good margaritas too. Yeah, something at his restaurant called rama rita See, no I don't like that No It's a margarita or it's a rum drink. We don't have to make everything blended I kind of agree rama rita. What's what's the other one? Um, uh Uh Daiquiri No, it's or lime or rita. I guess that's like a blood wiser Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, where it's like It's lime, but it's beer, but it's those are the margarita. I don't know I don't like any of that stuff With rum the taste resembles a daiquiri but with not a lot of added sugar Oh You might like a rum rita even if you hate the name I do hate the name. That's rum is one of the few alcoholic beverages. Oh And just willingly see I died that that's one of the last ones all I don't like it. I can't be a well roll though. That's because roger is a sailor at heart He really is give me the rum Yeah, there's something about you know roger can't keep him out of a tiki bar Distilling booze from molasses. I don't know what it is. It's very pirates of the caribbean You know the ride. I think it's because rum and coke Coca-cola has been such a sort of like oh, that's you know rum and coke Um, which I just don't like r and r and so I think of rum as a rum and coke So I think of it as really sweet, but I guess that's not really true That's why you get it with diet coke. Wait now. Hold on. I'm putting this together Jolly roger is your twitter name. You have a jolly roger flag as your avatar You like rum. Yes, you're a pirate. Joshua's a pirate. Joshua. I was thinking of joshua brantano Which he is that's actually a true pirate. Um It's a real throwback roger is a pirate too though It makes a lot of sense more Space pirate or an ice pirate if you like that movie Loved ice pirates. I see E Yes, we're saying yes ice pizza the hut Got locked in his limo and had to had he died by eating himself I don't remember that movie, but I do remember it was A real weird time travel type thing Black holes. Oh, no, maybe I'm thinking of the black hole, which is a big of the black hole Which is a disney's attempt at A space faring adventure A lot of people felt that it did not end satisfactory This is my price. Tell us how word Jessica just an example ice pirates the black hole. I don't remember. I was in third grade We just saw ice pirates for film sack and it is bad. Is it? I'm sure it is. Yeah, but it's watch, but it's bad and that you can really chuckle at like some of the stupid cracks It is woof worthy for sure. Yes But that's why you watch it. You don't watch it because it's like this is the best comedy of all time Well, when I was a kid I did I thought I was amazing It's because when your kids all you think are nudie jokes and like poo jokes and stuff like you like you just got a dirty mind Um speaking of movies What has everyone seen lately that they just loved? It doesn't have to be a new movie. Just anything Uh, I saw it on my Tonya finally Good movie. I really liked it. Yeah And I it's the kind of thing I completely shoved off when I heard about it because I like I don't like biopics about Controversial like the 80s stuff and all that. It just wasn't into it. It didn't sound good to me at all Yeah, I recently was in the past couple of months seriously good like That brought me to big short for some reason it was good Alison Janney is just like anything she's in is magnificent. She blew my mind Yeah, they could reboot they could reboot west wing and say it's just about her character from western And that's all me too me too. She's great. You know, it's funny The only thing about that movie was I you know because I hated wolf of wall street so much and that was my first uh, I don't know, um The first time I had known of margot robbie the actress So I was just like oh hate that movie So when I heard about this, I was like that does she doesn't even look like her way too pretty This doesn't make any sense and you know people were like, just watch it. I mean, she's really transformative as you know You know, I'm not sure I agree. I still think she's like Extremely beautiful and that's very distracting to me. But um, not that tanya harding isn't in her own way But I I don't I don't know that I would have cast her All three all all four of us get that a lot. Yeah Well, and she cast I mean she's a producer when they're like they're she's they're just a little too beautiful, you know Any last words for the beautiful people Oh, you guys are too beautiful. It's too distracting. We have to end the live video But if you're a patron, there's more to come. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye