 And the proceed we shall Dr. Var the episode 22 of you FAP even though technically The gaming is gonna be a separate thing now Me separate episodes. Okay. We're professionals. You can't you can't mix up video responses with gaming. That's fucked up Yeah, it's just it's a video responsive sorts It's almost like a theory like a video response theory. Oh Dude, do you remember when that was a potential name for this podcast? What a coincidence that you'd say that I Remember that it's almost like I intentionally said it for that very reason almost Yeah, you fucked it up. Well, if you almost got there, I know It would have been less subtle more of it. Someone's already said Jared theory How can they not beautiful? Let me get the link so I can post down here E-fap number 22 Wow Why sin sins and not TRO? I TRO is currently ill and on holiday as far as I'm aware So because we like sins sins more Hey, Jay, you should appreciate that you haven't seen Lord the rigs and he said that Yeah, I appreciate that. I'm yeah, I'm literally gonna ride that on my ego for like three years at the least I got to give you a little bone before the debate where I just completely only that's the only one you got wait You think he has no more bones? He has normal bones. All right the kind of boring I was born without any bones That's the miracle. I'm still alive I'm just a jelly like a body flopping around. I am I'm completely just like gelatinous substance People carry me around and just like like a bucket The guy that you see in my face cams as an actor and I'm just like a blob in the corner directing in Well, who's to say that any of us are not that? How would you know? Hmm? He dances to my tune like a puppet on string I hope if you really think about it, aren't we all just blobs in the corner off camera We all just gelatinous bobs We're just gelatinous bobs. Is that an offensive buckets attack on movie Bob? Is that what you just did rags? No, he's got a Bone in there somewhere. Is that an ad hominem? Is that I mean, I've seen him stand He's been on camera. He stood. He might just be like rigid Jello. That's been in the you know, like Been out left on the counter too long Because he's been around for a while, which is still stand them up. I don't know what movie Bob looks like. Is he fat? You're like guys your insults better be accurate No, I because I mean, I don't like fat people so it'll help me hate him more Well, what's you think it's thin people then because you got against in thin people as well Well, thin people are better than fat people like objectively They I mean there's a lot of stares you could actually apply that to so you wouldn't be you'd be objective in saying that, right? Oh God a wild Eric appeared for a brief moment. Oh, yeah, we're send of oh wait I guess I shouldn't put that video first because we got a different video to do Why do I have to explain why it's not on Thursday ask Mahler? What oh well because it was Wolf told us that was news next free, but it turns out it was Monday You got it was it like you just thought you were working Monday, and then you weren't Yeah, I was like, well, I may as well throw it out there in case I didn't actually think we were gonna do it and then well here we are. Yeah, I just figured that you were busy. I Thought I was too, but my boss doesn't like to give me hours. So Blame his boss is is the excuse. Yes Exactly, maybe if you were Jell-O you could get your Your check from the government because there's a lot of jobs you can't do if you don't have bones But surely there's a lot of jobs you can do better Yeah Yeah, like like I imagine if you didn't have bones you could swim really well because you could like wiggle like a Yeah This is the car we all just occupy if we really think about it That I'm not an Octopi you can be a really good skydiver if you were made out of Jell-O because you could Like turn your body into one big parachute I was just thinking of like a like an amorphous blob of flesh like turning over itself as it plummets to the earth I was gonna say that would pick up speed But the Jell-O would probably break apart as it slowly stops the loser speed It would just be like Like there'd be like little flesh bubbles falling around that Do you think we don't want to think too much about this could you milk a boneless rhino? Absolutely You would have to roll it over I assume I guess what would it have a horn would it Would it still have a horn would it just horn would be like Soft it'd be like a yeah like a little one might say a little deflated like balloon animal Just like attached to its face. Nicholas McMurray said as a fat. I befed it You should be mr. Fat you can unfat You can counter it out as long as you've seen Lord of the Rings you'll get a few points for that Someone said we first had jay long bone now jay boneless jay boneless Whales should be cast into the sea. Oh my gosh. What the hell? Why would you do that to whales? Whales are already in the sea. That's true. Get these whales off my damn property Just make sure you don't go near the sea of japan then you might get harpoon and shit You know, I forgot to do and I said in the last dream. We're gonna get to doing it What jay who will be the most inconsistent character of episode nine when it releases the end of this year fin Okay, that's three votes for fin now I feel that fin has been so inconsistent so far if he were consistent in episode nine That itself would be an inconsistency. That's actually what my argument is pretty much as well Because he's uh, he's a mess But I actually do think that it could literally be anybody because it's a shame as well series John boy egg is so so good Uh, yeah, no, I think I think he's he's actually pretty he emotes like crazy in uh in force awakens and the last jedi It's just that he's playing such a I don't even know how to describe fin as a character as a whole. It's like He's a he's something One of the no-no words and then you stop yourself. I don't know what you mean um I literally was actually just trying to find a way that would suit it. That's my specific fighter That's yeah, see that was the way I was going for you nailed it um So, oh, yeah, so like an update part one of the aliens clonal marines Uh stream got a copyright claim, but we were lucky in that it only monetizes it for disney. It didn't take it down Which is fine disney. Hold on. Why would disney monetize aliens colonial marie? The meme with rogue one. It was specifically and uh In the in the in the clip they have of it It shows me pause and play and it's like damn it didn't manage to get through apparently. I still did so That's why we still pause that we're lucky this time But anytime the goodies we just take down the whole video depending on whatever the restrictions can be depending on how much, you know Sorry, someone mentioned black mantis helmet, uh wolf. I wanted to mention that So you how the fuck does he know how to reverse engineer the technology for Yes, like like I literally make a point of that in my video because I was like So he goes back to the sub and then he starts reverse engineering the alien technology And then I was like, wait a minute. What the fuck is happening because it's like the movie establishes These are just pirates that like stole an experimental submarine It's like when the fuck were you able to start reverse engineering atlantic shit and second that fucking helmet is the most Retarded goddamn thing i've ever seen in my life. There's a big black bar right in front of his fucking face Just keep the water gun. It's stupid as shit african-american ball. It's um, it's miniaturized death star tech Shut up. Shut up. I will not I will not do that. No I am working on the Aquaman video by the way audience. It's gonna be a good nice two hours Don't lie to me We will make a video that long you're never gonna hold an audience doing that. Yeah, just FYI wolf If you're making a review it's longer than the movie It's not longer. It's a half hour. Actually it's 45 minutes shorter Uh, it's still wrong. Aquaman is two hours and 45 minutes. I know mine is two hours That's a long time to watch Aquaman. Why does your video not have bones? That's actually a big question answer my video has lots of bones. You just haven't seen them yet because it's not finished So, um Speaking of memes Oh, I always get that wrong Yeah, this this I'm gonna send you this link Um, I don't know what this is exactly, but a few people have sent me it if you want to Click it and give it a read through if you want rags. There's some there's some funny shit in here, but uh I guess it's a wiki where people can make profiles for anything Um, oh, I remember this one Your quote is yeah, but that's your opinion rags In the comments at the bottom of the page is ghost milk and rhino milk Yeah, I mean I could read it out if you want. I don't know. I was just so this is the some of the some of the memes Are amusing notable victories some guy on discord I'm in there In conclusive matches er moller is trying to get him on e-fap, but he's very hard to get No No moller overwhelming jarred may be an outlier as jarred is often portrayed as superior to moller So take this feat with a grain of salt Speed unknown possibly speed of light reactions come up with good arguments instantly Such a me he's like a top trump yes, um Yeah, the favorite bit for me was the uh the notable quotes thing Whatever I guess this is getting updated recently too Stamina very high can live stream for up to eight hours with only a small break in between Standard equipment good arguments rhino milk I like it. Yeah, uh It's cool people wanted that to be shown. I was like there we go and then comes We're only doing one meme this time because we got a longer video to respond to but I mean I don't think I have to play pause it luckily, but um, yeah fair warning. It's a strange one But you know, what's wrong with strange ones right guys? You'll you'll get to go Oh, no, this looks like something I haven't seen Oh I'm a pretty peaceful person. Don't believe in unnecessary violence I just have to say that shit has gotten really out of hand Listen man to any of you who want to fight me who are man enough to fight me I'll fight you we can do this, but I'm just gonna go right now It's not gonna be good on your part. Oh fuck. Let's get this over with It's somewhere scrupulous Well, it's me for this stupid shit I do for views Why but it makes sense why I Knock you and your little cuck friends down like bowling pins. All right, I'll snap you like a fucking kick hat, bro Fuck you Holy shit, what a fucking nightmare Never doing this again Oh, um, how do you think people with no context take stuff like this? I have no words after that I like that. It's just the consensus now that rags doesn't talk. He just fucking barks apparently that's all my contributions Well, he does have some lines thrown in like the and I'm rags I like to imagine how like How someone would react to that if they'd literally had um, what the fuck are you doing? Alexa stop Alexa stop Okay What did you say to activate Alexa? I have no idea What the fuck was she even saying? I don't I mean she does that all the time By the way, you have no idea how many takes I've had to redo because she's just fucking Gone on about something completely random halfway through me talking. It's sky dad, dude It's She's okay. Do you require assistance? Man, Alex Jones was right. Alexa is taking over exactly Jay will be the first to go at least we can get this e-fab done before jay's dead. You know, yeah Maybe well, maybe you're not allowed to die yet. We have to have that debate and all right. Got to get that done too Yeah, I gotta like make you feel sad at the end of it I promise that if if I feel myself dying during the stream I'll just say arrival is great and then you can say no, it's not and then technically we had the debate Alexa. I'm dying. What do I do? How are you dying? I don't really know I don't have Alexa but windows 10 has Cortana Cortana What do I do? Did it activate you have no it's just it's just saying it's sitting there like nothing happened. Wow, okay Cortana is not naked anymore. What do I do? This is the true Dammit listen to me Never used you before in years um pick uh How do I ask it questions? I thought it was supposed to just respond to Cortana. What do I do? Well, I got rid of mine, so I had to type it in it's thinking You don't have to activate it All kinds of things ask me to play music. Well, I've I know where that's going. So we're gonna stop that there We're gonna nip that right in the bud and fuck off He's trying to recommend you music you don't like I think she's been practicing music and she just wants to It's like So anyway, this um this stream is brought to you by google Google's Alexa and Cortana Go to go to google.com and enter in code. Um e-fap monday for 16 off all google search That's kind of funny If ever we go to sponsor because the code is usually for as long as like e-fap is easily And I wonder if the people are like e-fap or like, yeah, it's uh, it's an abbreviation. Oh, wonderful I can't Look, we we need a true analyst here and Tonal would annihilate tonal bloke tonal bloke is the best one we can get Man, I would love if he came on e-fap. That'd be so awesome Tonal come on e-fap We'll give you this profile picture that you can actually use since you're Martin Luther king, uh, jr. Day No, it's tonal bloke day Okay, so anyway This is a couple videos that have been made in relation to be at e-fap just in general a bit of criticism here and there Which you know, we haven't done in in a decent chunk of time We haven't done tlj in a decent chunk of time too The last thing if you remember was we kind of lost autism's on on What is it called aliens colonial marines? That's the one So, uh, e-fap is going weird directions, but um, we thought as a wonderful Arc Sin sins can join us as guesting while we check out someone's latest criticism of my channel to Get, you know, my take wolf stick racks takes and someone who despises my channel to this day's take Isn't that right j? Yeah, I I don't know why i'm here. I dislike all of you immensely. We'll see. There you go. Well good I'm literally only here to promote my own channel at the end and until then i'm just gonna half-ass it Everyone on sub from j. He hosts the channel cinema sins. He tackles movies and he thinks they're all bad And that's that's done. He's done videos on lord of the rings even though he's admitted He hasn't seen them. So i'm not sure what that means Uh, I think we should really you know do something about that maybe kill him I actually did cover movies. I hadn't seen that's that's not a joke. I covered the smurfs Idis oh you did well, I mean i did not give a shit what I started I covered the um the smurfs Movie and you defended the smurfs movie having not seen either of them Well, you I mean that is actually possible depending on the argument, right? I wouldn't see the emoji movie for health reasons. I i'm just sad they made patrick stewart a poop I'm sad that I watched it I feel like patrick stewart being a poop is like the only self aware thing in the film that I haven't seen I just I don't know you could go both ways with that you could be like that's the point though It's so funny treating all that talent like shit in a better movie. It would be funny May I don't know how I would do it, but I I I get it. I understand To stop taking every single role he's presented with Because he literally will not stop taking I would take any role if I was that age and I wanted to Just get more acting done before I can lay the osteoporosis. That's true I mean Jesus Christ. He went from Logan to the emoji movie and that's Oh, the emoji movie was after Logan was it? I think so To the person in chat asking who the guest is who isn't jay that is moller Hello Hello, I enjoyed you guys podcast. I I'm glad I'm I'm glad I'm really glad you have And I thought instead of making a video about how wrong you are on everything I would show you a video That uh does that for me and I'm gonna tell you why all of it is correct. That's what we're talking about today But I also so yeah, everything is wrong with your show, but I also love the show just uh, they're confusing Wonderful, those two statements must both work together. They do Um, is jack aware e-fap is on I don't I haven't sent him a message this I wasn't even aware this was happening until yesterday. So but um I can well, I mean if you're kind of weird at this point, what am I gonna say? We're doing it now, dude You know, like it doesn't really matter. He was never um, gonna be on the part where we respond Who's always gonna be um, so then he can like see us just rip into his awful video live and he can like Cry on the other end of the monitor. It'll be great. It'll be great. Why would you do that spare him? Why would I want to spare him? We got we got there's a few there's a few general questions I'd love to get you guys's perspective on before before we tackle this. So like concerns from from fans Uh, number one being do you have to cover all criticisms? No, no, we don't and we don't uh There's four we got the j1 the toro ones Even though you could kind of call that a one sequence because obviously we were just trying to get through it Uh What else is there Like videos that will respond. Oh, well, I guess is the arctic tax on one plus three. Oh, it's bad and then This one is that four Like four episodes out of that because you just treat me as the worst criticisms of you Well, that's that's what you do the the toro one was hailed as as a great takedown until we watched it It was awful um So, yeah, so the idea is like you like people feel Concerned that we're wasting too much time. We're getting too obsessed with with criticism Um, we've not covered a lot of the criticism that's out there We're trying to pick the ones that have the most reach or the most Concerned from fans about the criticisms in the video being relevant and that I should take Uh note of them one of the top comments on the video right now There's someone saying that um, they're a big fan of my work and they think this is the like most honest and greatest take Of what's wrong with my channel When stuff like that happens, um, it's more on me to be interested in actually like countering it or at least providing Two fans what's wrong with it? It seems like a lot of people have picked up what's wrong with it already, but it's um The toro video was left alone for months and it just festered it didn't get solved even though A lot of it was blatantly false. So we had to do it and then we did it and now it's over Nobody says The toro video fucking Slashes rags nowadays because the response will be have you Have you seen a response? It's a really bad video. This is like just just watch e-fap 10 That's the response people get now. They don't even get a counter argument. Just watch e-fap 10. So Yeah, we do it. Um I guess we'll be kind of doing the same thing with this one But I mean again if someone There's a lot of criticism videos that exist of my channel and e-fap and rags and wolf Um ones that we've seen and we go now We're not going to address them because they're just too stupid or ones that we haven't seen And so this is just number four and like if we cover tlj next episode Let's say theoretically someone might be like you always cover tlj and be like we haven't covered it now for like over six episodes, but uh you know Just I was asking You guys are clearly obsessives. Who makes like multiple videos on the same topic I would never do that I haven't Someone was that someone said are you back rags? Are you going to do more youtube videos? I guess So one of the top comments of one of the uh clonal marines one was um, I'm starting to think this rags guy isn't just a guest Because of the fucking was it the tone of luke one? I'm getting I'm getting id. I think they're they're learning They're gonna unravel the secret. Don't tell them. Um Yeah, and so so the next part then is uh, doesn't it take away from the entertainment value of e-fap and um My response was that would be we try to be entertaining in response to it that would tie into the wouldn't quote horrifically immoral non-ethical insults That are used or the snappy comebacks or snark or whatever like there's plenty of it in the videos We actually respond to oh, yes, we did So and people find it very satisfying to be presented a thing and then shown how the thing is flawed from the base It's like oh so, uh Yeah, we're trying to make it entertaining We don't want to just give you a clinical like this is wrong because of this reference Please switch for that and you will understand moving on to the next point. It's like ooh It's uh, let's get some energy Yeah, woohoo. All right milks Someone just said rag isn't a guest Frag is guess. No, I am a guest. I am a guest uh And then and then um the the last one that I've seen This is this is more from their side of the other thing saying um, you guys just unable to accept criticism And this is drawn from the fact that we respond to it And so to me it's a bit of a almost a paradox Implying that if you respond to criticism, you can't take criticism. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know What would you like us to do? Yeah, that's at that point. I'm like, I don't and it's like you should just ignore it It's like everyone who says anything bad about you. That's the only rational thing to do That makes sense. I like that. Um And yeah, only that was how the world worked Because like if it's almost like a five minute video It says if have a shit because they're ugly and stupid and they make loads of mean things We just watch them be like oof. We'll leave that alone Um, not all of us are ugly, but like you get That video would be a better video than some of the videos we've responded to because to say You know wolf is stupid rags as an asshole. Um, Mola can't doesn't know how to edit. I'd be like, yeah, okay There's just straight up insult but to be like Rags his position is that everybody who disagrees with him is actually wrong it's like that's That's not his position and then so if you get people convinced of that It's gonna damage rags his credibility or at least the perception of his credibility So we like to address the um The the things that are like that. I consider these videos worse than a video that was just a collection of insults Because I just be like whatever I can ignore that But if someone uses the truth to paint a picture without all of the truth Then it can damage uh my work So I like to address it and that's the same. I mean we're gonna be proving that it goes for wolf rags on me today, so Yeah, so let's um Yeah, I think that uh about explains Why we do what we do don't let it just sit around, you know I'm calling yet. It should be said that the guy who made the video has been friendly with me in dms friendly In the way that's like I am making this video. It's happening. Um Even he asked that I would do a voice clip for it and it was to read the opening of it Which you're gonna see um, and I said that it's probably better if I don't because It'll confuse people if I'm in the video It'll be like wait you approve So I just I said that it's rather not but uh, I've told him he's welcome to come on and he seems interested He's said publicly a couple times. He's looking forward to a discussion about all this with me I don't know how he's gonna feel after we've covered this But the hope is he'll come on efap And then there's there's an additional thing with eric coming on efap that we'll get to in the video I won't uh talk about it yet Um, it's not asking if I'm gonna make video. I made one like four days ago Okay Well, I mean I said several times that it's gonna be a while before part two comes out And I still get tweets saying you said part two would be a week later. I was like it's in the video I didn't say that I say the beginning because it got edited at the end like that's how I put it But maybe I should just edit at the beginning cannot say it at all. Um So I get I guess we we're pretty much good to start. Um, let's see. I think so, um Um, let me let me grab a bottle of water and I'll be right back. That's all good Yeah, uh, I guess what you could say I'll repeat this at the end. I guess, uh The whole the whole argument about me wolf and rags will claim That the criticisms invalid because it's taken us out of context the meme version Is let's just say I say Uh one plus one equals three Then they go Okay, and it equals two you idiot. And then I go well look at the larger context and the larger context literally changes nothing And so I'm just avoiding criticism That's what they think is happening but then What I'm arguing is happening is the larger context is me talking about a universe where maths is different And I'm referring to the in logic of the universe where one plus one does equal three Remember the same people that accuse us of not taking criticism Well are the people that disable the ratings on their videos and delete comments I mean it gets it's easier than that Well, it should be like these are the same people who we could definitively prove Take us out of context and that's what we're going to be doing in this stream As they sort of I'm hoping this stream will be referenced in future whenever someone's like smaller always says it But never proves it like oh We're going to be doing that today and it's going to burn on the burn I hope people refer to this stream whenever someone says Eric Taxon's a great youtuber I mean, I haven't seen Any videos from him other than your his one on you and his one on me. So I'm not a great impression Yeah, we've never seen any good videos from him. So Also, I lied I didn't get a bottle of water. I got I got a beer I'm I mean I would drink but I gotta remain coherent. Otherwise this could get very uh very confusing I can stay I can stay cool here when I So is everyone ready for this Oh, no, just the fumes Oh, look at that. We started 30 minutes in that's how usual that's that's what used to be our intro amount of time It might be to pad the intro more We're gonna say we need to have a two-hour intro. Come on guys People get mad if the intro is less than two hours, right? Yes Yeah Guys, are you gonna say something? Am I gonna say something? What have I what have I not? No, what have I said? No, I said it sounded like you're gonna say something and then wolf or or or jay rudely cut you off when I was curious Say something I am I wanted to say that I'm ready for this experience and I'm excellent. I've got provisions um I've got um This drink and I got another drink And I'm ready to go. I woke up for this. I got out of bed today For this. Mm-hmm. So really everything that happens after this is just a bonus All right, then dedicated guys I woke up That's dedication to the to the craft Real strength of rags is intoxicated Why is someone in the chat? Why is someone in the chat asking if I'm the last Jedi defender? What what have I said you well you you've provided defenses for the last Jedi but as far as I'm aware You don't consider it a great movie or anything, do you? I don't think it's good. I think there are Potential defenses of it you could make that I've never seen anyone make One day In a video. Can you give us just a teaser? I'm curious Oh I have no desire to go into this right now Just one Okay, so you've got the uh the throne room fight All right, it's a complete mess of choreography. Okay, but um essentially The way when you watch the fight Those the like the mistakes in the choreography are things that you do have to notice and it is completely a thing Is a it is completely like a potential possibility that you do not notice those mistakes And for people who view the film in that way the film is going to be a lot better Uh, so essentially it's not it's not necessarily ruining the scene. It's still a bad still a flaw But there are ways that you can watch the film It's not like you're watching the movie Notice but still the hyperdrive kamikaze luke's change of character Couldn't you argue that all of these things are only a problem if you notice why they're a problem Yeah, yeah, I this is why I don't want to go into it now. Essentially because I'm not fully I've not fully like realized this script yet. Well, you know A quarter done and I'm gonna try and make everything logically sound in a defense of the last Jedi Well, then everyone will hate you. Remember, we don't allow opinions on the last Jedi that are positive in any way shape or form. So Just remember that sir I fully expect never to be invited back on eFap after this Jenna said film is great if you don't see the flaws since since 2019 That's true. The Emoji movie is the best film of all time I like a quiet place when I don't think about any of it I think Aquaman is the greatest film ever made if I just shoot myself in the head I think they did it. Okay. The way they did it. You know, I agree with that Is uh, is everyone ready? Go good. Here we go Okay Oh god, one of those months on scripts thing remember the last time that happened We're doing the thing where there's long text on screen and then we're all supposed to listen to something Um, he is reading the the second half of it out. I think oh no, sorry. He's going from it may sound unbelievable Oh, okay I remove redundancy as much as I can. It's no ramble and the editing process takes months along with it No offense meant but your work is precisely what I would label the opposing issue Barely covering the subject with any depth or insight whatsoever because you exploit with what is essentially a thumbs up or down Per top. This is already fucking potential. Yeah, a little bit. So uh context is I'm talking to Eric I believe back and forth and Eric is saying that um, I think he's throwing in criticisms for my work and wolf's work whatever And uh, you know, the whole I'm bloated. I don't say anything of value all that stuff. So I'm like, okay to reverse it to you I think that you take so little time that you address A topic with essentially thumbs up or down and my evidence would be the wolf video He takes a very narrow Selection of what wolf says extrapolates it into wolf really doesn't know the difference between something being forced in terms of diversity and just uh writing being bad And I think he basically proves the point that when you have bad writing That doesn't necessarily mean it's because of forced diversity Which is a point nobody had disagreed with as far as I was aware And so he what I'm suggesting is he makes a point no one disagrees with over what was like 17 minutes or something Like it is It's a very short video and it addresses very little of what wolf said and so I would just be like, yeah, your work Lack depth and insight as far as I'm concerned And you seem to just say wolf's video thumbs down I do want to point out that the picture of moller in the background He literally printed that off framed it and there's a picture of him on his twitter Holding the framed picture of moller Well, why okay, I I don't know it's for the meme I guess Wait, do you guys not have a framed picture of moller in your Look, I don't have it framed. Well, here's the thing. I don't have it framed I have it folded and tucked In into my bookcase where I can grab it whenever I want to like ogle it and then no one else will Ogle ogle ogle Oh Defrosted robot mentioned the logic for why taxon did not cover most of wolf's videos because wolf did not make arguments And we're gonna prove that wrong today, but We're gonna have to wait till we get there I'm sure that eric taxon is the authority when it comes to uh, what is and isn't an argument Well, yeah, because I think eric's response to what I just said would be You're saying I didn't say much well wolf didn't say much to begin with so that was what I was covering And so I'd be like, okay, so now we need to prove the wolf did say something and We'll get that but Yeah, um this comment from me, um I don't I'm not sure entirely what he's going for with this intro, but I would guess that he's trying to make me look very, um I guess either argon or argon and vain The idea that I'm like I spend months on my scripts making sure I do not repeat myself I remove redundancy as much as I can it's no ramble and the editing process takes months along with it That sounds a little bit up your own ass, you know what I mean, but I'm like strange because he's doing this while literally zooming into a Frame of you over choir music Well So the when I say it, uh, maybe I could have phrased it to sound a little less, um Bane that's a problem with text. Yeah, I don't know like like if you guys want me to clarify that statement I'm trying to say that, uh, when you say I repeat myself or I'm bloated. I'm like, oh, well I specifically do multiple redrafts to avoid that Um, so I'd like references basically if if you could do that for me if you don't want to that's fine It's just that I can't do anything with your commentary if you fuck all you say is it's bloated. I'm like, okay That I'll work on that a lot of people who a lot of people who don't watch your videos We'll take a look at the two hour plus time stamp on them And they will assume well, of course he's being redundant and it takes him too long to get his points across Of course it does the jack's position and we'll see it in this video And I think he reaffirms it at the end is nobody can make videos as long as mine and not ruin their own points and he Well, he says that uh Mola might be the first to do it one day, but certainly hasn't so far like so there's At least some form of consistency in that he thinks no one can do it He's not just picking on me You can't make something that long and make it coherent. I guess would would would be what he really is that is that what he said? Um, well, you know, I'll uh, I think that's what he said, but we'll we'll let it play There needs to be more depth with media exploration on youtube Very few the guy that made a 53 minute video on moller about the um, there needs to be more depth on youtube as well I've I believe I first say in my outlast series or the soma one But I say like my channel was created because I I just don't like what was on youtube from A popular media analysis it bothered me And so I created the videos I wanted to see and then it turned out there's a Hamful people who wanted to see it as well. I don't know like I just you know I me and wolf separately disliked downward thrust for possibly different reasons, but like When I realized downward thrust was really popular and I watched these videos and obviously the the podcast before cloning marines like I think we went over what That's how I was feeling when I was watching his videos And I was just like it's I blowed away that this is getting hundreds of thousands of views And you could be like well people feel like that about humor and I'm like, okay That's fine. I just give me some references and then we can see how valid the criticisms are versus you don't like it Which is also fine. It's just there's a There's a difference And I was happy to fill that space in the market from what I've heard Many people love long-form stuff as long as you have something new to save throughout Which I do my very best to make sure is the case It turns out rampart isn't with the empire and he's here to steal an empire ship For a job. He's apparently got to do because he's an outlaw or whatever So he reports ranger solo as a millionaire and gets in chocker that we met in civil war confronts one of the two men about This plan and it is said that he must return to Wakanda for judgment by some And moments after Ray is attacked by the men that the land play on the ship I see the editing quality is about on par with Eric Taks And I was about to say like this is clearly an intro style choice I guess So there's not much we can glean from this other than he's just this is an intro That he must return to Wakanda for judgment Sounds like things you've said Sort of is Kind of sounds like you too And they fucking cut to the next scene. They cut to the next fucking scene. What the fuck Okay, that too should not have been capitalized That's your opinion long criticism. That's an objective fact Oh, yeah, we probably should have said, um Does anyone disagree with the title of the video? Long critique is not deep critique. I mean not necessarily I was gonna say I think he's In general typically is I mean you look at an IGN video and any other review I mean a three minute review of a 150 hour game As opposed to an hour review of a 150 hour game. I'm gonna trust the hour review more Yeah, it doesn't have to be but oftentimes Brevity won't allow you to be deep with something And and this is the other problem is uh, what is deep, right? What is deep? You know, someone's deep is another person's shallow and vice versa. It's complicated. Uh I suppose a placeholder We probably like deep is just when you've explored something in the subtext if we're talking with with film So instead of specifically talking about what is seen and heard you start talking about what it means for the character Or what they they're feeling as a result of this or what it means on a thematic level That's probably Accepted as deep or is it could deep be a synonym of extensive? Would you would you guys accept that I don't know extensive I would say yeah Um, not leaving too much out Making sure everything goes covered um You know I differ from person to person how you want to really quantify it, you know when when the when do we cross over from You know shallow to deep But generally since it it just takes it takes time to get your ideas across because it just takes time to speak Yeah, it's tough to make something really short and really deep. It's just tough. It's not impossible Yeah, and it depends on what you're doing. So like yeah In relation to the tile Long does not necessarily mean deep but long also does not necessarily not mean deep short does not necessarily mean Deep but it also doesn't necessarily not mean not deep. Is this almost like Short and deep and long. Yeah, they're two different qualifiers. I agree Also, um, there seems to be a little confusion in the chat guys. This is not Eric Eric is in this video, but what we're seeing on screen is not actually Eric Yeah, uh, there's three Eric sections. I believe from what I remember, but um Yeah, let's continue long criticism is not deep criticism Now before we get going let's quickly go over what's not being said by that statement That lengthy media criticism is bad or shallow criticism That's not the argument being made here because that's not what I think That's not why I believe there are many essayist guys of the content they're covering is fairly long Noah called waltz of ace is a video essayist who produces lengthy videos often in excess of two hours long Videos which explored not only his initial reaction to the text but elaborate on their wider text on Um, I I'm not really in disagreement with any of this. The problem is I haven't seen enough of Noah's channel I've only seen the outlast video and one other one Um, I haven't seen his channel now from what I understand Noah's what we would refer to as much more of a subjective Critic he would he would much more focus on how he feels and and the things that made him feel that thing Um, yeah, bless you of course ranks I don't um, thank you If he had referenced tonaled here, we'd be obviously being like this is just not true But I don't know enough about Noah to disagree with this. So I'll just happily uh, say it's fine Hey, tonal is a great reviewer He's here with us today Exactly produces lengthy videos often in excess of two hours long Videos which explored not only his initial reactions to his text but elaborate on their wider context on What may have influenced the work or how the work? I suppose his argument here is that there are people who make long stuff that remain deep, but um I I think that I guess his overall point at the end from what I remember must be the not to my length though Because Noah still still sticks at like two to three hours. I think While I'm arguing for like a 15 hour film review, you know, that's out of this realm Work may have influenced others Offering greater depth in understanding aspects like imagery, theming or style in a work and why they may strike us a certain way In his newest video, for instance, he might explain how fallout 76's artificiality may break immersion in one respect But on a tactile level make it easier to stay focused on the gameplay Um, I don't know that I think you agree with regs I'm googling tactile just to be certain I hear I hear you think the gameplay is really good rags That's an interesting tactile is an interesting way to say it I'm trying to see if there's like a definition that i'm unaware of that makes more sense But basically it has to do with like touch the sense of touch um, uh, maybe he's referring to like how the game feels more real more more like It's strange to use a way tactile. I just have to ask him what he means by tactile, but I don't think we're gonna get that Yeah, I gotta listen to it again to see 76 is artificiality may break immersion in one I don't know what he means by the artificiality Like I seriously don't know when he says the artificiality of fallout 76 breaks immersion. I don't know what that means I would imagine he means the fact that you only interact with like robots and you don't actually really interact with characters It's my guess is I mean the quality of being made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally or I was going to say doesn't this apply is I think he might be saying Uh, that the artificial artificiality of the game itself because the all games come with that right every game is working to immerse us into it Yeah, maybe he's trying to say it. It doesn't have any heart in it. Like you you feel like you're playing a product not like you're trying to Play an experience of a sort. I don't know if he was here. I would ask him what he means by um What what do you wouldn't mean by that? But The artificiality of fallout 76 is something that I it's a Odd thing to say that I don't do I hope I don't do that my reviews I hope I just tell you what I mean and I don't know well It's okay, uh, I think to say a word that some people could be like What exactly do you mean by that and you didn't realize you would have needed to explain it? It's gonna happen I don't consider a strict floor of what he's just done. It's just that I have no idea what his point is Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what he means by The artificial video for instance He might explain how fallout 76 is artificiality may break immersion in one respect But on a tactile level make it easier to stay focused on the gameplay I don't have no idea what that means breaking immersion makes it easier to stay focused on the gameplay Is it like the story boots you out of your immersion? But allows you to appreciate the gameplay on a tactile level. Is that what he's saying? with the The tact on a tactile level I don't know like does he mean the gameplay like the feedback you get from Like accessing the game's mechanics or using those um Also, yeah, I mean this wasn't intended But like this would be something I would say that like he would have made this longer to explain what he means And that I'm not saying this definitively But that is a result So he's making it longer and it becomes deeper because it explores Exactly what he's actually saying and sends the message forward. No, you could be like that's not what deep is And I'd be like, oh no, I I I'm saying that you could use deep in multiple ways and um Being longer here may have helped him Express his message and that's usually why my scripts get longer and longer is when I realize I need to explain Or qualify a lot of the things I say but not every time not every time Yeah, but this is like this is tonal bloke You know a little bit. Yeah, I would do that. Yeah, I would be like what what do you even mean by all of that? I I'm happy to believe that jack actually thinks Something here and he could easily explain it to us. He's just chosen words that he understands Well tonal I don't think he remembers the video he made yesterday. He's like Oh, I used what word sorry He has to google it Break immersion in one respect, but on a tactile level make it easier to stay focused on the gameplay He might explain how mechanics and elements borrowed from the elder scrolls make the game an arguably more enjoyable play experience But impact on the unique energy of a fallout game and he's nothing like tonal to be pronounced arguably correctly Sorry the unique energy of the game I would have yeah, that I was about to say that's That's something that I would mean. What do you mean the unique energy of the game? I would just be like, I'm sorry These these phrases is like they say these it's like tonal. They say a thing And they try to they rely on the person listening to it to just fill in what they personally mean Instead of me trying to you know, what exactly is the person saying the words? What did they mean? What's the idea that they're trying to get across? I don't because It's just such a minor part of his video so we can probably just move on because he's not it's not he's reviewing fallout It's just that yeah, I don't really get what he's trying to say here Someone in the chat said, you know what else has unique energy? Chernobyl Yeah, it would that's true. That is a true statement thus damage it in other ways Racer vic does much the same providing a meticulous analysis of games like mass effect and max pain with Videos up to an hour long from independent creators like Lindsay Ellis and dan olson Do you know whenever I see Lindsay Ellis referenced? It'll always be alongside dan olson and then sometimes hage bomber guy those two get referenced together all the time interesting They're friends, so maybe that's part of it, but um It's not like he's only referenced these two. It's just that The I I think I can't can't be sure, but I think that Jack would agree with them politically typically too and that's another Indicator for why he thinks they're better long-form analysts I think they talk about I'm pretty sure Lindsay Ellis has mentioned points on feminism more than once Um not to say that he is biased, but it's it's just a potential. That's all Um With why he would have chosen these people because there's so many long-form critics out there and yet it happened to be these ones Like it's interesting to me. That's all To larger more mainstream professional outlets such as noclip There are also creators who produce longer work Like I wonder if he knows who ahoy is because nobody knows what ahoy's politic politics are Yeah He's he's excellent long-form creator, but I'd maybe maybe jack would consider him bloated or uh without Meaning this is the thing I um from what you guys have seen like I I know rags. This is seen ahoy I can't remember if wolf has but ahoy is quite objective. He'll only tell you what the things are and what they do So you could be like this is boring, but I know you've talked about him To be like this is boring. It's not showing me what it means intrinsically and I would just be like Well, that's for me I can decide what it means to me, but I'd like to know the information, you know, everyone everyone delivers different things on youtube, right? Yeah To an hour long from independent creators like Lindsay Ellis and dan ulson to larger more mainstream professional outlets such as noclip There are also creators who produce longer work which offers insight into the behind the scenes process of a work Information they uncover which might not have been gleaned elsewhere Ulson runs through the whole ordeal of handling ill james writer of 50 shades in the process of making its film adaptation And how that reflects on the finished product This too deepens our understanding of a text and how he might think or feel a certain way about it That doesn't explain anything about Actually, what he does I mean, I'm willing to accept those statements for what they are. I suppose it's just he talks about the author while Assessing the movies and how they've affected blah blah blah You know, like what could give you more insight into how a movie is made It's like go into production elements go into interviews talk to the cast talk to the director Figure out what the process was who produced it all these little things may give you more and more pieces to the puzzle And so if someone said you could get a deeper understanding as a result of any of those things I'd be happy to be like sure um That's fine with me Oh, and there's there's a few people who said like the the the don't assume intentions so quickly. Um The the political thing I think is relevant because uh Wolf had more than a few snarky shots fired at him for his pilot the politics that weren't even relevant to his video um From eric and so I think it's worth highlighting that they think We're right wing possibly all right. Who knows? Um, what did you say that you were in the um, he said you weren't centrist He said what what did he pin you as in his well? He was calling me a centrist in a mocking manner, but at the end he very clearly insinuates that i'm far right Okay, so there you go. And um because apparently when I said that hollywood is full of left wingers That was something a right winger would say but that's like an objective fact. So Yeah, I I don't even think that I know a lot of the times left cleaning people use that as a point of pride Yeah, and I would say that I'm almost certain that eric and jack are um I don't know where I put them on the the the scale, but they're on the left. Absolutely. But the thing is wolf is so uh There's there's a potential political divide that that sometimes seeps into the commentary and there's a few bits in this video That come up and I'm not saying there's anything Uh wrong with liking these creators for their politics by the way. That's it's a complicated breakdown. It's just something to do with um What how they may perceive a difference I mean a lot of people perceive that um my videos People relate me to bench appear all the time because I I mentioned I like to stick to facts when discussing facts and they're like, that's what bench appears says I'm like, I think a lot of people have probably said that. That's not something this A bench appear patent But okay You've both said the same thing once so you are now the same person. That's how it works So yeah, um, but we we'll just move right along It's so when I say that length does someone asked is your wife a doctor mauler It's my wife a doctor baby hitler I'm not following. Yes. My wife is doctor. That's a meme with ben Shapiro because he always references his wife because she's a doctor Okay Yes, my wife's a doctor. She helps me with my objective medical criticism A certain way about it So when I say that length does not create depth. I'm not saying length eliminates depth It's depth neutral simply a result of one's ability to focus their efforts cleanly summarize relevant thoughts and information and Some tertiary stuff like just how quickly you speak your vocabulary and how many pauses you leave in For instance, this opening is probably about twice as long as it needed to be to get my point across Probably even more long Yeah, my my brief review of the small selection is uh, it could have been redrafted to Have a little more clarity. It's very ambiguous. It's not convincing. It doesn't tell us really anything about any of the people that you mentioned pretty much just says a name briefly what they sort of do and What you're telling us that means? It hasn't convinced me of anything But you could have done it a lot shorter. You could have essentially said I'm not saying that All long critique is like Lacks depth. He could have just said, you know, essentially that And then said there are lots of greaters. I like that do long stuff that have depth and then immediately moved on That's essentially all you said at this point. Yeah, and I think you wanted to provide some creators to be like see I do actually these people exist and I do enjoy them. Therefore. I do accept that those things exist, which is fine um You know how pedantics you want us to be if we're going to be dealing with it from him So it's like we can while he's criticizing. I say when I'm referring to us and we it's it's obviously mirags and wolf rather than jay as well But um, I can't be asked to say we accept jay every time. Okay, so I'm just gonna say we we uh Wild jay is one of us. Come on He's criticizing content designed to criticize movies while we're now able to criticize content that is created to criticize criticism Um, so this is a rabbit hole that goes on forever, but there's no reason why we can't um, but yeah, uh All he needed to say if his point was that long critique is not deep critique And long critique is not also not deep critique as in it can be it but it doesn't mean it is it That's it. I don't think the fallout in elder scrolls I can't even really call them examples unless I put huge quotations around them I don't think they added anything to the idea he was putting forth Yeah, nothing it doesn't add anything but I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment he's putting forth Yeah, I don't even really get what he's trying to say with the fallout stuff as a thing The not yeah, not the fallout stuff just the the overall point that um, you can make something long and it can be deep It can also not be deep. That's fine with me. I agree A lot of the time I'm basically repeating myself or making the same essential point with different wording It did not make my video any deeper to make it this long To which you might say Well, nobody's arguing that you may have even paused your live stream to try and make that point To which I respond. Oh Well, sorry Well, I'm sorry, but if you were more concise and clear, we wouldn't have to pause it and wonder what you mean Well, we didn't even do what he said. Did any of us say that nobody was making that point? I think all we said was we agreed with him, right looking for clarification on a lot of things that he said for me um And I mean, I guess he's just saying that he's uh A victim of the same flaws that he's gonna be throwing it our channel. I guess All right. Yeah, that's fine with me. I can I gathered that Your live stream to try and make that point To which I respond I'm sad to report that after coming through the work of one of youtube's most verbose popular media critics Having spoken to him and his fans about why he feels it necessary to create works Double triple quadruple the length of any other creator a practice that would for anyone else lead to repetitive aimless content which obfuscates one's own points Basically saying If you were to do the practice that I'm doing then it will lead to aimless points and just bad things in general Not necessarily Well, he's he's saying no one's done it yet. That's what he says at the end. I think Which I find interesting. I don't know um It's is like can you cite any but because we have to cite someone outside of myself So because anyone made a 10 hour series or a seven hour series Didn't someone make a seven hour video on a pokemon game that everyone said was really good Someone in chat's gonna know about it. I'm just not sure. Um, I don't know Um I'm waiting for it. Someone's gonna know You can do it. You can tell us Come on chat. We believe in you totaled loke believes in you. Shea may Yeah, there you go. Shea may made a seven hour analysis of pokemon omega ruby I have not seen the video, but it's extremely well received I mean, I'm pretty And the top comment from the gaming bridge show interestingly is gonna have to flag this video for murdering all other videos That's pretty cool. I don't know. I haven't seen it. Um point being that other people exist that are doing what I would say I'm doing You just gotta go find them and as for none of them have been able to do it without being aimless. Um I don't know as a steep steep comment That's something not something you can ever prove Unless you watch literally every long film prove that you've watched all of them too. How could you even do that? Like Like I found every one. It's like what about this one? Fuck And his fans about why he feels it necessary to create works. Oh, yeah Did a six and a half hour video on dark souls that was commentary. Yeah, I was about to bring that up Yeah, I wonder how he feels about matt. Maybe he thinks he's aimless too. I don't know I mean, I think you and um, I think you and matt are it's dense There's a lot of stuff in there. There's a lot of stuff packed in Examples and justifications for statements and I really enjoy him because of that I mean my channel is a reaction to doing the small videos like I wouldn't be doing small videos because they exist already And you'd be like, what do you mean by small videos? I'm like, uh Small videos. They're both good and bad Still is some that I actually really like there's a lot of channels I follow that make small videos that I really like But then there's ones that are really awful and people cite them as like the best analysis on the thing And I'll be like they barely touched on it And the reverse criticism is more a can't touch on it because of how much he blots the script And I'll be like, okay So then what happens like well now we've got to get to proving one or two of the statements to be correct Um, and that's what we're here to do today Double triple quadruple the length of any other creator a practice that would for anyone else lead to repetitive aimless content which obvious skates one's own points The idea that his video's length Inherently gives it depth. It's the only conclusion. I can possibly draw really. That's the only conclusion. You could possibly draw Not very charitable, but okay. That's uh, that's kind of an asshole thing to say We'll let it go. Uh, so this is on a level of video essay completely removed from anyone else on the internet I absolutely love these videos and I love how incredibly lengthy and detailed they are Never change them. So yeah, this guy has said lengthy and detailed. That's that is an important distinction Yeah I did that his videos length inherently gives it depth Is that uh, is that not so obvious? No Um, it does kind of look like it But I think his channel is more like a close-up of a head and has a bluish background It might be a new uh, because I remember reading that and thinking I recognize the reader It looks similar, but Mahler scripts often surpass 50 000 words That's a novella at worst in a novel at best. You can't get much more in depth than that You really can't the man is an absolute gentleman and he holds his work to a standard that most people can only dream to It still ends up having flaws. It's still never perfect, but nothing of human invention is especially in idea spaces Good objectivity musings sargs. I mean that's on the sargon video Yeah, uh, so if if he was here assuming this is not so obvious if he was here And then you said so not so obvious you think anything that's long is automatically In depth he'd probably say no Uh, can you draw that from his statement here? Possibly you just have to give a little bit I mean the fact that that's the only conclusion he was capable of drawing. That's just um Fuck I just had the name of it in my head a uh argument from ignorance fallacy It's just I'm too dumb to understand why people might like this thing. So therefore x Yeah, all I would say like what's what's your take j. Do you think it's uh a fair result of this comment? Or do you think there's a a little bit? I would say that you know, there's definitely more interpretations of this That are Definitely, you know, not even like difficult to come to just there are many ways you can separate that and I don't even think this is Gonna be uh, gonna be honest if I read these comments. I wouldn't walk away and say these people think just because it's long it's good Yeah, and and if they did I'd be like, oh, that's not really my goal I didn't I wasn't only intending to make a long video. I'm intending other things and long is a symptom of the Goal or a result of the goal. I guess Is that is that's like people is that that's like an odd thing for people to just go out and say just because it's long it's good Yeah, I don't I mean more or if people were going around saying, um, his content is long and that means it's good That wouldn't be your fault Well, he's his point is that all he can figure out for why people are enjoying it is that it's long and therefore in depth Oh, something like that. Well, let's hear him out again It's a aimless content which obfuscates one's own points The idea that his video's length inherently gives it depth is the only conclusion I can possibly draw Yeah, there you go because boy. Oh boy. It sure ain't the content. He fucking far Well, there you go It can't be the contents. It must be the fact that it's long is oh my god. It's the brano part. Yes Boy, oh boy. It sure ain't the content For the milk I was thinking it was for the ivory personally. Wait, is this the second intro? Uh, good point. I guess so It's with the crappy transport lighting. We'll see it's a collection of mine. Uh, what you would call my nitpicks Um, the irony being that he's picked one there that was specifically put into the script to talk about nitpicks I say that in the video, but uh Good never mind jack never mind sacrifice reality. I even criticize alien. Um in the exact same way to prove that This isn't about whether or not I love the film that I do it It's just wanting to talk about a filming element. That's that's it. Something like that She is requesting death by decapitation with an axe. Why? So, I mean I could qualify these if you want, uh, if I didn't in the videos Which I'll put my hands up. Maybe I didn't but um, I always thought it was stupid as fuck that Asma orders execution of stormtroopers. They're like specific. I don't know if you guys remember They've got like an actual design on their helmet that defines them. Yeah Um, and they have laser axes like an execution of what in medieval times, which to me I'm just like, oh riot But it's dumb because they have like two blades on them. Which doesn't make sense Unless you want two parts of their neck. Maybe they just want to put the neck off It would make the autism comes from the neck part of the spine Maybe the ass burgers and to them You talk about so much in these videos and these are just little segments where you talk about the big and the small details And let's be clear here. Dip pics are still valid criticism Yeah, they may be small, but they are still valid and if you call me saying they have laser axes Therefore the film is bad as a whole Yeah, I would say that's stupid Going to go a lot long beyond just a laser axe. It's going to go long beyond one flickering light Those there's just things I want to highlight They pretend that that's all we say. Well, Quinn did the exact same thing. Uh I'll ignore the other five hours and 57 minutes of the content. This is the interesting part is that at one point this video they do Reference in a very difficult way that I sometimes do make points And I was just like man, it would have been so awesome If they'd just shown an example of something they thought that I made a good point on They show the example of me saying, um, you know, like the story of glorm And how luke jumps onto a sun and kicks all that shit Like eric says that that's really funny and that's the biggest compliment I think I get from this video and I was like, okay, that's something but it would be cool If they were like he makes a point about I don't know Uh Let's say that's ridiculous Hold those plan. Let's say they actually agreed with my take on that and they were like, yeah He raises a lot of good uh contradictions there that could affect someone's enjoyment. I'd be like, yay You know There's a severe lack of uh benefit that that's all that's all I'm saying available. Why what does this add for the audience? Why is the admiral wearing a ball gown? It seems so inefficient and disrespectful So inefficient is referencing Your ability to walk across the bridge when things are happening, right because It's action packed and if wearing a ball gown you could trip over it. That's all I'm suggesting with that And disrespectful would be You're in what is essentially a military militia thing. Everyone's wearing combat gear and you're in a like ball gown Okay Are we all allowed to wear casual clothing and um It'll be brought up later I think um, but Mon mothma wears something similar in a Return of the jedi I think so. Yeah when they're in the The mon mothra is a uh politician who is uh a part of the senate and an ally to the rebels So she's there to basically be their connection to the senate and she's a politician. Like I said, she's not an admiral Um, however, if she was an admiral and she was controlling everything I wouldn't therefore say it's not a problem now because it's also in return of the jedi I'd be like, no, it's a problem in that too So that's Me explaining that The video would have been made longer if I had explained it which would have then made it worse in jack's eyes. So I think I can't really win At all here, but I can try I suppose Personally when I'm in the military, I want to be able to run around with my crocs and socks We're in my breaking benjamin t-shirt. Um, so comfy It's strange because you know, it's completely out of character for holder because everything else she does makes perfect sense Yeah, she's a great military mind I'm all wearing a ball gown. It seems so inefficient and disrespectful Mola is a trending critic in the youtube sphere. Mola primarily This is accent mola. Wait till you hear him pronounce wakanda. Oh, yeah They're really upset. Wait, I'm gonna make a guess. I'm gonna guess it's waka. Uh wakanda Oh, no, I'm trying to pronounce it like a babbling retard No, it's I don't know how he came to pronounce it the way that he does It's definitely tied to his accent, but he must have heard it pronounced in the film So it's weird that we'll we'll get through is a trending critic in the youtube sphere Notable primarily for the fact that his videos analyzing various pieces of popular media often bloom up to four five capping off at nine hours long As I said earlier orders of magnitude longer than almost any other online media critic to this He has received an outburst of support and awe from his growing fan base Admiring his dedication to his craft the fact I wish I could see what you see with watching movies. I left the last jet. I hate it But I'll be able to put it to where's why I hate it Um, I guess there's no point reading these comments. He's just saying that people may want to leave Yeah, I guess we're gonna be like Oh, we're gonna Uh, I guess we're gonna be like Um, I guess there's no point in reading these comments, he's just saying that people like my videos so, sure. He's willing to go further than most in his discussions of media. To stress this, Praise for Moorler usually centers around his exhaustive commentary, and he has inspired many of his fans to use this same format in their own video essays. So for the sake of clarification, I encourage length, usually because it can very much lead to, uh, further detail and more clarity. It's not guaranteed. Given between the choice, I would rather have something be too long than too short. Yeah, uh, if you told me to watch an extremely amazing breakdown of, let's say, Star Wars Episode 9 when it comes out, and you're presenting me, like there's two universes, one where the video is five minutes and one where the video is two hours, I'd be like, I'll take the two hour, because I don't know what they're going to say in five minutes. That's going to be amazing for me about the last Jedi. Yeah, it's going to be really tough for them to get all the points across and in an accurate way without being ambiguous or leaving us kind of wondering what you mean. It does take time to get details across. That's the thing, it's just, it literally just comes down to what you're looking for when you're looking for a video. What do you want to get out of your experience watching it? That's, that's the only difference. I agree with that. His most popular video series, a five hour long critique of Star Wars, The Last Jedi, has between 800,000 and one million views, depending on the section. Now, for the purposes of open and honest critique, we'll be running through a broad selection of his noted work, which puts us an impasse rather convenient for the man himself, who has repeatedly made it clear that critiques which do not specifically go through every single aspect of a work is an act of dishonesty. That's our first major straw man. Yeah, that's a that's a huge problem, because definitely not true. That's absolutely not true. Never been stated nor implied that I think that. And now that's something that he's just declared as true for his whole audience, which is not cool for me. I mean, your your buddy here made a really fucking shitty video on Dishonored Wolf. And one of the reasons it was so awful is because there's a lot of relevant stuff that's very meaningful to what you're trying to say that you cut out and didn't talk about. There is a lot of stuff that you cut off that is relevant, specifically relevant, or it's stuff that completely contradicts the things that you are saying. When you make a 13 and a half video and only include about what was it? A minute and a half, two minutes? Three, was that what Wolf's saying? Three out of his Wolf 17, I believe. Yeah, you're leaving out a lot of important stuff. And it would sound like the argument. Yeah, he leaves out the argument. We're going to get to that. I wonder if there is a reason why possibly. So my position that I don't think I've ever stated otherwise is that if you're going to criticise a thing, be it a movie or a video, something that has an actual start, middle, finish, and then you're going to attack it for a position it takes and ignore any context within that thing that would make your points invalid, then that is dishonest. So for example, it's yeah. If you tackle one specific point I make about a movie, for example, I just say hold those hair is fucking yellow. And then they go was purple. There's no context or they may not. I doubt there would be context that would invalidate your argument against me in that case. But if you say that like Wolf's argument is what I presented here, and then Wolf makes his argument later and you don't present it, that is absolutely dishonest. And then on top of that, so that's the thing that happened. And then on top of that, you accuse our sort of take on that as you have to cover every single detail in order to have honest criticism. That's not something I've ever said. So yeah, that's just not true. That's just not true. I don't know where you got that idea. Maybe it's because your buddy got really butt hurt that his video was shit. And we told him it was. I don't know. But yeah, that's just that's not an honest thing that you said. That's the thing you can cut out whatever you want. So long as it either doesn't affect your point or you're honest about it. Well, like if you. He accuses me of doing it in my TFA videos. So I'll just give you an example. The smallest quote I have in the video from a creator is Hello Greedo saying that debating art is stupid. There is no context that changes what he said there. It's not a parody. It's not a joke. It's not anything. Look at the original video. It stands as a statement. So I've cut out his entire video where you could you could argue there's more context. But it's not context that changes the point I'm arguing against. So if that makes sense. I hope it does. Yeah, that's kind of slimy. It gets a little worse. He's an actor dishonesty or well until recently. So he's got a little snide remark there implying that we've dropped. So he's created a straw man for our position or my position at the very least. And he's saying that that position has now been dropped in our response to Joseph Anderson. Has it? I don't know what the implication here is. My assumption would be that he's saying we did not look at the body of work of Joseph Anderson to be able to make conclusions on him through that video. Maybe we cover entire video. So I don't I was going to say that we responded to the video specifically. So again, I'm not 100 percent sure of what his point here is. But it just the way he delivers it sounds like he's trying to get a doctor in here. It's not an impulse because he didn't give anyone time to think about it. Someone said someone said it's funny how we see a video from Wolf and an Eric tax on video in an EFAP and an Eric tax on video in an EFAP. That's the infinite loop for the man himself who has repeatedly made it clear that critiques which do not specifically go through every single aspect of a work is an act of dishonesty. Yeah, that's just a fucking lie, mate. Until recently. We will not be showing all five hours of his Star Wars review here. Nor do you have to depending on what you're talking about. Yeah. Just as we will not be showing all nine hours of his dark souls to critique. It doesn't show any of my yeah. You see this is a problem, buddy, is that we don't care if you don't show all of it. We care when you start misrepresenting it and lying about it and taking it out of context, which is the only thing you people are capable of doing because you don't actually have an argument. Nor the entirety of his many hour plus long one of criticisms. Critics. Fuck. We will be, as with most critics, addressing the segment's relevance of this discussion while trying to remain clear and straightforward about the piece as a whole. But if you have more of this unique disposition that this is impossible without exhaustively summarizing the entirety of what you are critiquing, we encourage you to. So let's I'm a I'm a recycle. Do you want to watch that again? Or I can read it out because I wrote this one down because it confused the hell out of me. You know, go ahead read it out. Yeah. So sticking to what is relevant in the current discussion while approaching the piece as a whole is only possible by going through every single detail according to me. That's what he just said. Sticking to what's relevant in the current discussion while approaching the pieces a whole. Because that's what he wants to do in this video. And he's saying that's useful for Moeller because his position is you can't do that without going through every single detail. So we can already write this video off. And so it's just it's essentially the same straw man. But I was just like sticking to what is relevant in the current discussion while approaching the piece as a whole. I'm like, yeah, well, if you're doing that, just don't ignore the portions that would stand in the way of your argument. Yeah, you can't cut out something that would make your argument weak or outright contradicted. And if you do that, that is dishonest of you. Because you could cover my entire video show all the clips and then actually still get criticism wrong. I wouldn't then be like, well, you showed all my clips. Therefore, your criticism is 100% valid. Like this goes both ways. Because they do that at one point. They play a clip from me and they misunderstand what I said. Oh boy. So yeah, I can't imagine that they would do that. No, I know it's crazy. So let's keep going. To head over to his channel and watch the over 24 hours of content we'll be running through today. But who is this we? Well, I brought along a pal for this one. I'm gonna grab a drink and let Eric Taxon take it from here and discuss the last Jedi and Mauler's problem. Maybe you should pick people who are better at making videos. Maybe he shouldn't be the one who's picking. Yeah, maybe maybe you should have got someone else because Eric's video was really fucking awful. So for the sake of clarity, I'm going to ask that none of us comment or pause until 853. Okay. We need to get the whole thing on record. Music show most of my video and basis his argument off of something that's just not even there. And just to clarify for viewers, how would you just say in the difference between Ripley and Rey in terms of forced diversity? When is the force? Hi, I'm Eric Taxon. You might know me from a little video that I put out back in October called what is forced diversity? He's got a cat. Of course he's got a cat. A response to dishonored wolf. Now, since I released that video, I've gotten a lot of responses to it. And basically I can conclude that it's perfect. It's bulletproof because no one can actually figure out how to respond to it. And they just end up making wolf's arguments again, but slower and worse. Now in that video, I say that I don't give a shit about Star Wars because at that point I had only seen episodes four and five and it was too far back to remember. This was on purpose. I delayed watching any Star Wars media consciously because I wanted to make it clear that it doesn't really matter whether wolf is correct about the things he's criticizing because he's wrong no matter what. The premise of his argument is completely baseless. And he never defines forced diversity as anything more narrow than the diversity present in things he doesn't like. Apologies to everyone who wanted me to respond to the entire video point by point. You have to make arguments for me to do that. But somebody saves Georgie with that cat. So just just before you go right. So that's the section on wolf. And that's what we're doing first before we move on obviously. So we'll be going back through it a few times. But remember everyone he said that I don't make an argument. So like so just to be clear, he's not playing a character in this clip. He's like this is actually no like I'm being serious. Like is this actually what he thinks? This is sincere. Yeah. This isn't him doing like a bit. This isn't him playing a character. This isn't him trying to like pretend to be someone else. So we can knock it down later. This is actually what Aaron Texan believes with sincerity. Well, I don't know about Aaron Texan, but Eric certainly is he is a yo-yo. So wow, what a slimy fuck. Well, let's let's let's go further than that and talk about why. So the first thing that happens is they play a clip from EFAP. Now watch the clip again. I'll pause after it's done and then any of you three can tell me what you think they were trying to do with this clip. I discussed the last Jedi and Moeller's problem. Doesn't show most of my video and bases his argument off of something. That's just not even there. And just to clarify for viewers, how would you just say in the difference between Ripley and Ray in terms of forced diversity? Why is the force? I mean, what do you think the intention is? Yeah, that was yeah. It's to make it seem like that was all we had to say on the matter. So what we're going to do, folks, is check out that video itself. Hooray. This is going to be weird. It's an it's an EFAP first where we're jumping between videos because our entire argument relies on context. And they have watching EFAP, watching Eric, watching me. Eric, don't make close-ups of your face. You're just you're so titanically ugly. I know this. I know this doesn't have anything to do with the argument. That's what the rest of the whole stream is for. But holy fuck. Well, we there's a section at the end that wants us to address insults. And I think we'll we'll have that section to talk about ethics, morality, and basically how things work for that aspect, because it's tiring to hear that over and over again that you've said this word before. You're the worst and I'll be able to talk about my discussion with table button, which will make it even more interesting. So this is I'm just getting the right time stamp 13750. Now you saw Eric's clip. Let's see what this looks like when you play it in general. That takes most of my points completely out of context or otherwise just doesn't even provide context at all. Doesn't show most of my video and basis his argument off of something that's just not even there. And just to clarify for viewers, how would you just say in the difference between Ripley and just to clarify, this is going to 14103. So no pausing up comments until then. So we get the full juicy context in terms of forced diversity. Why is the force? I mean, my take would be that Ripley was a character and she's played by a female actress obviously. And then there are elements to her that you could definitely there are choices she makes an action she takes that could be informed by her being female rather than male, just like how that would be the same for a lot of the Marines. You could probably argue there's certain things they do that you could be like it's because they're the man's man. You know, stuff like that. But ultimately, the important parts of her character have nothing to do with her gender. They're all very much about what she is experienced, who she is. You know, all the stuff that everybody can relate to because it doesn't require that you have particular genitals while Rey doesn't have anything in terms of character. And we know that one of their goals when hiring for the Force Awakens was that they just... I mean, JJ's dream was having it so that it was all Asian cast, but obviously you couldn't have that as reasons. I don't fucking have no idea how casting works. And obviously when he said that, it could have been a joke. I'm not saying that's definitive, but they were definitely consumed with getting away from the whole straight white male cast. Can't have that anymore, even though it's fucking aliens all over the place and Star Wars. So you have Rey is a female protagonist, and then you have Finn is a black protagonist. And then you have Poe. Is Poe Hispanic? I mean, Oscar Isaac. He's something like that. I think... I think I heard Bruce from. I can't quite remember anymore. Either way, it's a very diverse cast. And you know what it also is? Like it's completely lacking consistency or development for their characters. And it looks like they were focusing on that element because that was their goal rather than focusing on characters first. And I imagine that's what Wolf was going for. That's my take. If you want to sum it up, Ripley, a woman is what she is. It's not who she is. She isn't defined by the fact that she is a woman, unlike Rey, who's defined by virtually nothing. She's got nothing else. What else is there? And it sucks because I think the... How I mean, I hate to do this, but you know, offense to Daisy Ridley, but like so many people pick up on her acting ability. Like that's not something I'm just inventing. A lot of people find it very difficult to watch here because she has the same delivery for a lot of things she says. I'm not saying she can't act whatsoever. I'm not going to go to that extreme. But was she chosen because she's female? Or was she chosen, you know, we'll never know that definitively, but the goal when they were making the film was to have a diverse cast. And since that wasn't going to happen naturally, quote-unquote, from just casting based on ability, they had to make sure the quotas were there. They're like, this character has to be female. And it's unnecessary. So that's the context. Well, that pretty much shits on Eric Taxon's argument. So he's going to be saying, he's already said that the point has never been addressed, has never been developed, and all people did was say what Wolf had already said, but slower and more wrong. So that's the argument, Eric. But sure, take us out of context and make it look like we have no idea what we're talking about. And we struggled to, I don't know, come up with what we're talking about. Not cool, but fine. We'll move on from there to the next part, which would be the fact that he's obviously going for Wolf specifically. I need to actually use the restroom real quick before we go back. Yeah, it's all good. Well, so any thoughts so we can delay a little bit until Rads gets back? Anti-Rads. Yeah, guys, if you're a fan of Eric, stop. Stop. I mean, again, I haven't seen the rest of his channel. It could be good shit, but we're not doing great so far. That's all. I mean, this is what he does because he made a video on TJ once. I saw that and he totally mischaracterized him too. This is all he does. He doesn't like people, so he mischaracterizes them because he's not intelligent enough to actually make an valid argument. I would say that I didn't agree with everything you said when you were making those points, but if I wanted to respond to them, I would actually address the points you were making rather than pretending you didn't have any. It's a, this is the problem outside of the problem is that this is a very complicated subject. So what we're addressing is the actual relevance of the argument. Eric's claiming it doesn't exist and then portrays it in a different way. How bad or good the argument is would be a second discussion. I mean, I would argue, if I were to argue against this, I haven't put a huge amount of thought into this because it's not an issue I really invest much in. But if I were to argue against what you're saying, I would probably say something along the lines of, yeah, you know they were going for diversity, but you don't know that that's the reason it's got any flaws in its writing. It could just be, you know, essentially a coincidence that they were going for both. And there's, you can't really prove a cause and effect relationship there is what I would say. What would be a definitive proof for you? Would it be the author saying, I chose to have a diverse cast? I was more focused on that than writing whatever the character was. I would say it would be, I mean, first of all, if you've got like a studio forcing stuff on a writer that they clearly don't want, it would be much easier to argue that that is taking away from the writing. But when it's like, JJ wants the diverse cast, I feel like it would be more difficult to argue that that's then ruining all I'm highlighting is, do you accept it's theoretically possible to prove forced diversity? I mean, yeah, I mean, that's all, that's all Wolfe is really writing on here. And Erica said, you can't. I would say that if JJ wanted it, I would not consider that personally to be forced diversity because the person who was actually making the art. But he literally said that he hired people because of diversity, not because of their acting talent. Yeah. And it needed to be a female lead. There's enough people in the world that you could, like I'm writing stuff that's got, you know, a female lead. That's like a lot of my... Well, sure. But when every single character in the entire film is hired because of their diversity and not because of their talent or because it was the specific vision that the person had in mind, that's not quite the same. Yeah. And to me, forced to wait, forced diversity could result in good content. That's not actually the argument. It's more to do with, is it happening? Which is, it's so unbelievably rare. I can't really think of an example. I haven't got an example for you, but a time where they have prioritized diversity instead of allowing diversity to be the result of prioritizing talent. That would be the formula. Diversity shouldn't... I don't think the diversity, the diversity should be the result of like who's most talented at it, but it should like, when it can be, if you don't care about the race of a character, if that's not relevant to a story or gender of a character, if that's not a relevant thing, then just hire the best people for the job. But if you write something where race or gender is somehow relevant to the story, I literally could not remember what point I was making when I started that scene. Probably there are times where it would be a valid thing to force a, let's just say, black person into a black role. Like you wouldn't hire a white guy for Blade. That would make everyone insane. There are enough like, talented actors of every, you know, race and gender or whatever, that you can... The fact that you're looking for someone of a specific race or gender or whatever, that shouldn't result in someone less talented because you can find someone talented from pretty much anywhere to play something. If you're saying that they hired Daisy Ridley and she's not talented, I'm not saying that's necessarily true. I don't really have much. I don't really think much of her. She doesn't show it here. That's the point. If you think that, like, I'm not sure if you could argue that the reason that they picked her rather than someone more talented is because they were looking for someone female, since there are so many, you know, very clearly talented female actors. Oh, you're saying that if they were to force the main character to be female, they still could have ended up with a talented actress, but they didn't. Yeah, that wouldn't be a counter. That would just be... Yeah, that doesn't exactly, yeah. I would be like, that's true, Jay. They should have looked harder, but they didn't. Are you saying that if they didn't force her to be a female character? If she was a great actress, it would still be forced diversity because they were like, the main character has to be female and you're like, why? She has to be female. Okay. But it could result in good work as in you hire an amazing actress and you give her amazing character writing. But as Wolfs laid out, right, when you describe Ray as a character beyond the fact that she is a human being and she is female and she has all of these amazing talents, the characteristics are basically at null, but she's celebrated for being an amazing female character. And you're like, why does everyone keep saying an amazing female character? And it's like, oh wait. I haven't seen many people celebrate her for that reason, but I'm sure they're rather... You haven't? No, I haven't. There's a lot. It's around. I would like examples of that, but you know, I'm... No, we don't need to do that. Like as long as one person's saying it, which I'm sure you'd agree has probably happened. Oh yeah, I'm sure that lots of people have said lots of fucking things, right? Yeah. Sure. I mean, that's not the best way to phrase that argument because one person, more than one person has said that the earth is flat. Oh, well, it's... I have to make it true. Doesn't that make it true? Yeah, no, it's of course. I was just saying it would be in response to, that's all. You just need to prove that one person has said it to be responding to it. Yeah, no. It's a really interesting topic, I think. There's loads to discuss, but Eric is pretending that all Wolf has said is that the Force Awakens is poorly written and there's no connections to Force of Diversity when you can tell that these arguments are very much related to the ideas of diversity and this stuff to be explored here. Like, there are ways to possibly dismantle or counter the arguments, but he's just pretending they don't exist. I would not be surprised if I found out something like Bojack Horseman had its cast chosen for their race and their gender and that. I would very much not be surprised because of the philosophy of that show. Did you see what Rags posted? It's a good show. I did not. Ray, strong female character. Stronger than Luke. Strong as Jedi. Stronger than Kylo. Stronger than Anakin. People googling that could be why are they going for or against? Well, it's why. No, he's right. But again, we're only arguing for existence and that should be enough to probably convince you that it exists, right? Yeah, I'm happy to agree that it exists. And so the question becomes like what in the hell are they basing her being strong female character on? It's like, oh, she's just female and also really strong in terms of the Force for no reason. And it's like, oh, what a terrible character. You can't argue that she's not strong and also female. What? Oh, I get it. We're not saying that she's not strong. I think he was memeing. Oh, are you memeing? Yeah, I can't use that. I'll leave that entirely up to interpretation. Here's the thing. You have Disney. You have Ryan Johnson. You have JJ Arams who make it very clear and very explicit that diversity is an extremely important thing to them. And they are more important than on and on about it. Like they were like Kathleen Kennedy is in where is the core of the Force is female. It's the foundation. So now it's forced. It was never more important. It's never going to be a result of the story being written with character first. And you could be like, well, how do you not have it forced? And so like you will we're against quotas. I don't know if you ask this. This could verge into politics now. But the idea that you create a story and then you go through your selection of actors and you're like, yeah, I'm hiring this guy is the best. And it's like, but he's gay and black. Why would you do that? I don't care that he's gay and black. My literal, my literally completely uninformed in any way opinion is that a problem exists. But quotas aren't the good aren't a good solution to it. Based on literally nothing. That's just the conclusion. I think I think it's I agree. It's a fair position to take. It's a complicated subject. And I've heard arguments where they say forced diversity slash quotas are bad. But they're the best solution we have right now. That's something again that could be explored. But that's a whole other thing. So we're going to have to draw back from there. The key thing is that generally quotas are an opposition to what I would agree most people say is meritocracy. For the record, we're against them both ways. And the example I gave before was a film about a sorority of women. And the director says to the writer, you have to have a black man and a Hispanic man in the cast. So figure out a way that they're in the sorority. And then they're like, well, they can't be a sorority. The best I can do is like a headmaster or whatever the visits. And they're like, no, they have to be in the sorority. And so the writer's like, that doesn't make sense. And they're just forced in. And then we watch this movie. And they're like, why the hell is these two guys in this all-female? That's weird. And then you find out it's like, well, it's to be diverse. And I'd be like, oh. But that's not the story. Then you get into the whole relevance to history or realism to history. And then demographics or geographic locations, what the demographics actually are in real life and you're trying to stick to them. This is going to be relevant in a moment because obviously Eric's position, we could watch it again, but I've got the quotes. He said, Wolf's video doesn't define what forced diversity is beyond diversity is present in the things he doesn't like. But that's what Eric thinks Wolf's position is. And I do. Oh, you get your second point out of the way. Oh, these are the two points. The second one was there were no arguments to respond to. And I do want to mention, because I've seen that a couple of times in the chat, the whole argument that good writing would destroy our argument. The problem is that we're not saying it is a rule that forced diversity never results in a good product. I guess that is a tendency. I am perfectly willing to accept that there may be something out there that did forced diversity. Someone actually mentioned the Shawshank Redemption. Morgan Freeman's character in the book is actually white. So that is an example of forced diversity that did work. But that's not the argument being made. The argument being made is that it almost never, like 99.9% of the time, never results in a quality product. And we were trying to present the symptoms of forcing diversity that are negative. And that is that they'll often forget to make a fucking character because they've just said... This is just talking about the principle of forcing something because of a person's gender or their race or whatever. Yeah, it's just a really stupid precedent to set. The Dark Tower, for example, the main character in the book is definitely not black, but they made him black in the movie. And granted, I even said in my video on the Dark Tower that I thought that that was the least of the film's problems because that movie was so just wildly retarded in every way. But the problem is that we shouldn't be setting that precedent because it's really stupid and just discourages good writing. And most of the time, it results in terrible things. So just as a rule, we shouldn't do that. And I don't know if you guys feel we should play it again just to get Eric's points out about Wolf or we should just go to the source material for Wolf. You wish my ears might bleed. Yeah, we can go to the source material. Okie dokie. Like I said, the... Oh, wow, my chat window just went black. That was scary. It's back, so it's fine. So yeah, the points where there were no arguments presented and Wolf's position is that he just doesn't like bad media and he's blaming diversity in the ones that have diverse casts in them. So... In today's political clip... Well, Eric did, I believe, was play a selection from like two or three minutes at the beginning-ish and then he played a clip near around like... I can't exactly remember the exact things. He jumps around, he leaves out the vast majority of the video is what you really need to understand. But let's all remember everyone. Eric said specifically, I did not make an argument. We already see if that actually holds true. Nor did you define what forced diversity is. So, if you want to write it down in a notepad, so you know, because this is going to be probably one of the longest stretches of video watching we've ever had on this show, but there's going to be another few of them later too. We're going till 1056 from 709. You guys ready for this? Alrighty. Pretty poor writing. Now a badly written and acted character is one thing, but does that necessarily mean that it's forced? No, not always, but the reason why Rey is forced is because she has nothing going for her. The fact that she's a female should not be nearly as relevant as it is, but both the Force Awakens and the Last Jedi go to absurd lengths to make sure you know she's a woman and because of that she can be strong all on her own. Being a strong female character isn't a bad thing, but when you're written to be a strong female character then you're generally going to be the exact opposite. And that there is the crux of the issue. Having a strong female lead isn't a bad thing. The problem is that the writers are going specifically out of their way to make some kind of specific character without taking into account what makes a good character in the first place. Ripley wasn't designed to be a good character. I did notice it's fine. It's you mainly to listen to what Wolf said. The visuals were halo. Yeah, the visuals aren't exactly important, but... They were halo guys. It's okay, as long as you hear what he said. It was just halo gameplay guys. Strong female character, that's just what she evolved into. They focused on character first and made the female aspect a natural characteristic of who she is as a person. Ray, on the other hand, was never written with any characteristic beyond being strong, and you may notice that there's a lot of... Actually thinking about it, Muller, you might want to put that eFap logo back out because I think I got my video claimed for some of the footage I use. Hmm, okay. That makes sense. All right. Everyone, close your eyes. The cover's going on for reasons now, people. So when you start saying, Muller, take it off, it's on for reasons. Male characters written that way nowadays to the point that they act like total cunts for no justifiable reason. I genuinely believe that the reason for this is a total misinterpretation of what they perceive to be a strong male equivalent. Marcus from Gears of War isn't exactly a nice guy, but there's an actual reason behind that. There's history, there's development before and after. What I've come to find from many female characters nowadays is that they try to replicate the same thing that male characters do in many circumstances without actually adding in the history and nuance required to understand why they're that way in the first place. If a character is a dick for no reason, it doesn't matter if they're male or female, villain or protagonist, no one is going to like them. So just shoehorning in some half-assed character written to be a man doesn't tend to work out too well. This goes for virtually all characters that are forced in for no justifiable reason. Remember when Ubisoft decided to shove a transgender character into Assassin's Creed? You know, the character that no one cared about and had no reason to be in the game? How about the transgender character from Mass Effect Andromeda, whose first line to introduce herself is, Hi, I used to be a guy, but then it took scissors to my dick and made myself an origami vagina. Please refer to me in my new name, stupid cunt. When writing a character, there's obvious things that you need to keep in mind about who he or she is. You can't just take Luke Skywalker and make him a totally different, irredeemable character that isn't even close to being the same person he was in the original flame move. Yeah, I'm still salty about that. Unfortunately, a lot of people just don't seem to get this. There are reasons why characters are the way they are. Fantasy stories are typically dominated by white people because the majority of fantasy stories are based around medieval Europe, which is predominantly white, even more so back in those times. Sure, you don't have to base it off that, but that's where most fantasy stories come from. Inserting a bunch of black people in the Lord of the Rings would simply never work because it's based around that area in time period. But nowadays, you're shamed if your artistic direction isn't diverse enough. The developer of the game Kingdom Come Deliverance has been criticized for not putting enough black people in the game. You even have the utterly brain-dead idiots from the guys at Funhaus who tall this line. But not you, Lawrence. You know what's up. Keep being perfect. Despite this game trying to be historically accurate, it's been criticized to hell for something as arbitrary as not putting in enough black characters as if that's something that's even remotely relevant on any level. I'm sorry, maybe my whiteness is preventing me from seeing the bigger picture, but wouldn't you feel kind of shitty for being the guy that's put in the movie just because they need a black guy? Wouldn't you prefer to have a character written specifically for you that has legitimate depth and intrigue? Forcing this shit because you feel some kind of ethical obligation to include everyone you possibly can find doesn't add to your story. It breaks it. I don't care if you have a black guy in your game or movie, but give them an actual reason to be there beyond, well, we need a black guy. Sure, put in some gay characters. I'm all for it, but make that a natural part of who they are. Don't focus solely on the I like to take it up the ass part. Look. Wonderful place to stop. Also, Jack is apparently in chat. Be nice as best you can. The last thing we need is everybody in the chat ripping into him. Be nice. Make your own videos, Jack. Drop the spare. So, yeah, there's a reason why I like Wolf's channel and it's because he's pretty efficient with like how many points he makes in the amount of time he has and obviously his delivery is pretty passionate. So that's fun to listen to as entertainment. And the fact that I actually think that this is a strong video would probably tell you that I do actually like some videos that are short because this is one focus topic and he talks about it for 20 minutes. Maybe some people would feel that that's too long or whatever. I don't really care. It's like, yeah. Four minutes went by. There was four minutes and there was 15 points. So that's pretty good, I think, or at least depending on the quality of the points, right? So I'm just going to run through them. So a badly written character does not mean a forced character. Ray being female is pushed on the audience for no narrative reason. It's what she is and that's it. There's nothing that distinguishes her outside of her being female. And strong female characters are good. However, if a strong female character is the goal from the beginning, likely going to fail because you're misunderstanding what makes a strong female character. It's not the fact that they're female. So this is because writers are putting the cart before the horse. That would be the analogy for that, I suppose. Ripley being female was additional to who she is as a character. It wasn't the focus. It wasn't they went, we need a female lead in Alien. She was a character that worked whether or not she was female. It wasn't the diverse, if you call that diverse, it wasn't the diverse part of her that was intrinsic to her. There was things about her that are completely relatable to any human being on this planet. You don't have to be female. And that's not to say... And of course diversity aspect is it's important too to know that a lot of it has to do with the intention behind it, not necessarily just because someone's a woman, just because someone's trying to cast somebody as a woman. Please keep in mind, it is very important why. The why is very important. And here's the thing, with forced diversity, it's usually telegraphed to us because the people that force it in are proud of the fact that they've forced it in. Yeah, like Disney, J.J.A. Rooms, and Ryan Johnson. And as Wolf has already clarified, forced diversity isn't definitively bad. There is theoretically, and we've gotten the one example we've just mentioned, where it could work to create something good or it wouldn't get in the way of something being good. We're talking about the qualification of it and the negative effects. It's a negative tendency. So, and I was going to say, to clarify again, if you have a character that deals with female issues specifically, because that's obviously possible, that doesn't definitively make them a forced, diverse, bad character. You can still make that work as in a character that's, I don't know, a movie about a woman exploring what it means to be pregnant and have a child. Like, they're the kind of things that would be, assuming medical science hasn't gotten to this point, I don't know if men can do that yet. So, yeah, so that's up to Ripley's female was additional to who she is. So that the problem would be explained by writers' misunderstanding what a strong character is. They'll often have, like a female characters perform similar things that male characters are celebrated for, like their payoff moments or their biggest action packed things, and then they fail to realize like the reason that the payoffs work so well is because of all the writing that came before and led there. So they just do that thing and they're like, see, we've got strong female characters too. And it's like, oh no, no, you haven't got a character. And so the reason they were there in the first place was, it was just, it would be bad if they were male too, but we're highlighting that in this case, they were there because of this forced, diversity aspect. And then Wolf gave examples of Assassin's Creed and Andromeda, was it? Yep, Assassin's Creed, Andromeda, and Kingdom Come Deliverance. Although there wasn't any forced diversity in there, it was people... Complaining about that. Yeah, they were complaining that there wasn't in Kingdom Come Deliverance. And remember, audience, and I, apparently, Eric is in the chat using a different account. I don't know if that's true, but Eric, if you are in the chat and you are listening to this, I want to just point out in your video where you showed about a couple minutes of my 18-minute video, none of the past three, almost four minutes of this video, of my video where my argument is actually made, you happened to just not include it. And then you said I didn't make an argument, almost like you're just disingenuous and you're a liar. So then white people are typically dominant in representation for certain time periods in geographic locations due to representing realistic demographics in those regions. And you'll get sh... This is a quote from Wolf, you'll get shamed for that attitude. And then he provides the example of Kingdom Come. Then he said, isn't it insulting to be inserted because you're black rather than suiting a character of death beyond the surface? And to top it off, he says, I'm all for diversity. I make it a part of the character, not them as a whole. And he's in favor of representation, but don't force it. Tying right back into the title of the video. So again, 14 points in, was that four minutes? Or I think I said 15 in four minutes. So to answer Eric specifically, with the source being Wolf's video, forcing diversity would be defined as creating a character that is only discernible by their gender, race or sexuality. And this is referenceable from the perspective of the audience and by the character themselves within the universe. And that would just be bonus points if you've got production evidence where they've said, yes, we did this specifically because we have to get Asians in there. We have to get women in there. It's the most like, it's cringe as fuck. But again, we've already said it doesn't definitively lead to a drop, but it can. And when it does, we'll have the smoking gun, if you will. So the argument is hinged on examples in this section as well as all the explanations. And, you know, examples of which he conveniently just never showed. Yeah. Because of his entire argument. So like, yeah, Eric didn't use anything from this portion. And so that's what we were addressing in the EFAP. And then a lot of people were talking to Eric on Twitter, I suppose, without... I don't know. I'm trying to assume the best here. So I'm just going to say that they all fucked up and they all didn't provide Eric this time stamp. So this is it. This is the section where I'd say that answers the two concerns that you have. And the fact that they're not in your video makes your video incompetent slash dishonest. No, I'm not going with the incompetence thing because I do not believe that. I believe it was only malicious. Yeah, Eric Taksin seems like a right proper cunt. Apparently he just deleted the tweets. Really? Well, you can't stand by what you say, mate. Which tweets? The tweets he made about not... I guess he... Didn't you tell me that he made tweets asking for the arguments in people's lives? If someone says he just deleted the tweets, I could refer to anything, right? Well, I'm pretty sure that would be referring specifically to that. Sure. Yeah, either way. I'm not like... I want to get through the entire thing before providing commentary. I just want everyone to see what's happening here and how annoying it is for us. And so that's like more than four very significant errors that are made in a manner that would imply that they're deliberately avoiding context. And if you think that's an unfair assessment, I don't know where we can go from there. I mean, if the chat's right and he really did just delete all those tweets, that really says a lot about Eric as a person. I think that's just a detail tacked on to this nonsense. I mean, and first off, here's the thing. When somebody walks into a video and they say outright, you know, I couldn't be wrong. He said his video was perfect. I don't think I've ever said one of my videos is perfect. I strive to improve on my stuff. And I'm especially in the video I'm making now, I'm pretty clear that you can try to change my mind on things. Good luck on some of them because they're the result of a long time and a lot of thought and a lot of processing. But when someone enters into a conversation with the attitude of there's just no way I could be wrong. I'm perfect. My point is perfect. It's impenetrable. Then I mean, I think he said it tongue in cheek a little bit, but it's still it's still publicly presented that he thinks there's no counter argument and that he did not take Wolf out of context. Yeah. I mean, we were really thorough going through Eric's video. I mean, it took us what, two hours? I think it might have been longer than that. I can't remember. I mean, we were really thorough. If you didn't pick up anything from that after even taking Wolf's video out of context and just dishonestly not including the exact examples of things that would prove you wrong in an instant. I don't know, man. That's a pretty slimy, scummy thing to do, but whatever makes you feel like you made good content. Oh, that's interesting. Jack. Four hours, actually. Jack tweeted seven minutes ago. We still don't know why forced diversity is bad beyond the fact that bad writing is bad. They're not listening at this point. So yeah, you're not listening. I'm sorry. I don't know what to say other than you're just. Although if we give them a little bit of leeway, we don't know how long they've actually been listening to this stream. Maybe. So, I mean, if they only just came in. They've been responding live on Twitter, I guess. Oh, then they really are. He said, Mola's fans genuinely don't understand time. Stop using long and complicated words like tactile. It's not long and complicated, Jack. We want to know what you mean by tactile. Yes. How do you use it in relationship to what you're referring to? Not a good luck, dude, like on this Twitter. How about you stop being a coward and actually come to us? The problem is that a lot of people are going to say, like, have him on. And it's like, well, we'll have him on after we're done here. That's fine. True. What more can we say? I mean, we will, of course. But it's like, stop taking us out of context. You disingenuous little shits. How many times do we have to say this? I don't have any, hold on, hold on. I have no tolerance for lying, misrepresenting, and taking people out of context. You are a scum fuck if you do that. And I don't respect you. I don't think anyone should respect you if you do that. You took Moller out of context. You took me out of context. People have taken Rags out of context numerous times in the past. I mean, I'm just done with this shit. I think you're a fucking scum shit if you do this. So one of the tweets he's got is, I wonder if they noticed that we were marking the fact that Wolf was unable to say for himself why it's a problem that Ray was forced to versity and then played a clip of Moller at, wait, wait, wait. Then they played a clip of Moller and Rags arguing it for him. So Jack, I'll make this really simple for you because this is clearly hard. We were playing a clip for context of the clip that you provided of EFAP to correct the context of the EFAP clip. And then, as we've just done, played Wolf's argument in full for forced diversity and then explained it to you. We can't do anything else at this point if you don't understand. We let him talk for three minutes, two minutes. That was Wolf. That was not me and Rags after that. We corrected context on one clip and then another one. Hold on. I think he might be mentioning the clip that they used specifically, the one where Rags joked she has the force, the one that we went back and actually watched. But the first thing I asked was the implication of the clip, which is that we didn't know what to say. Yes, that's clearly exactly what you're trying to do. Don't play stupid. Yeah, but here's the thing. I do not, I know for a fact, and you can look at any live stream I've ever been in. I do not talk very well on the fly. I need to really sit down and think through everything I want to talk about on its topic and really have time to write it out. I'm terrible talking live. I like doing live streams, but I know for a fact that I'm bad talking live, unless I'm really fired up about something, which is very, very rare. A lot of people like that. That's the, and a lot of people like that. That's a separate skill. That has nothing to do with the ideas that you have. It's how do you form those ideas in a way that you can communicate those to other people? That's a separate skill in and of itself. That's a separate thing people have. And even just aside from that, I mean, I stumble over my words a lot. I have like a, I don't think, it's not a stutter. I think it's called a stammer. Like every now and again, I'll like just trip over my words and people have seen it in pretty much every stream I've ever been in. It's just because I don't talk well live. They weren't making my arguments for me because I literally didn't know what I was talking about. It's because I know this is a very simplistic concept that you just couldn't understand. I don't talk well live. So they were helping because it's the three of us. This is how the show goes. Yeah. And a lot of people are like that. That's a very big, very big conflict. Me and Rags have a lot of experience with live in the moment, public speaking and debate. So we're relatively better at it. But the thing is Wolf had all of his arguments available. They were all right there. And you already made them. They had already been made. So yeah. It's fine if you want to disagree, but actually disagree with the things being said is I think the long and short of it, right? Absolutely. And I mean, I think it's fair to say Wolf got very passionately into that for a moment there because this is going beyond, you know, like they make a diatribe about how it's very cruel to use childish playground insults, right? I'm going to get into that when they bring it up. But I don't know where your morality skews, but I think it's much worse to character assassinate somebody than to say they're stupid or ugly or annoying. Absolutely. There are some things that are just insulting and aren't very substantive. For instance, Aaron's ugly as Eric's ugly as face. However, there are things that are very substantive, like you're slimy and disingenuous and you're dishonest and you're lying because you're trying to push your point or a narrative instead of relying on what the truth is and what the facts actually are. Like those are different. I don't care if someone calls me, you know, a faggot. I don't care if somebody calls me. We call ourselves that. Yeah. All the time. I would much rather people call me those things than call me something that has to do with my character, like a liar, you know, something like that because that speaks to who you are as a person and the behaviors that you actually do. Also, I'm not 12. And he said, um, tactile means some, how something feels to play. How something feels to play. I still want. What the fuck does that mean, Jack? Yeah, you're still, you're still going to have to clarify. Tactile doesn't, tactile means feel in a physical sense, like on your actual fingers. It's a feeling. And he's, and he's actually said as well. So for anyone wondering why we're not bringing him on, he's actually said himself, he's not going to want to do a four on one. Um, so it doesn't matter. Both parties are not willing as it stands. We will sort something out in the future more than likely, but we've got so much more to get through anyway. So I'm going to ignore his Twitter now. Comment, um, the, uh, interesting fact, America's most common fear is the first one is public speaking. What was your point? Sorry. I could never do public speaking. Yeah. Public speaking is the most common fear in America. It's not even really that I would fear it. It's just that I don't think I could actually do it. Yeah, that's, that's definitely a part of it. I mean, I can't even go like a normal conversation with my friends at work without stumbling over myself. It's like, I don't have that ability. It is, it is a skill oratory and skill and being able to, um, you know, be eloquent on the flying, get your points across without having any time to think about them. That is a difficult thing to do that people can do. If, imagine if I wrote the way I spoke, 100 trillion ums between every other word or so. Yeah. And that's why I have to write things out when I make a script. I need to script everything out. Otherwise, I can't do things on the fly. Not very well, at least. And I guess to be clear about the tactile thing, because there's some people talking about it in chat. When you say that a game has tactile qualities, or you relate, I mean, maybe if there's, to a video game, like tactile means how it like feels on your fingers. It relates to the, the not like a feeling, like a like a vibe or a sensation. I mean, physical actual, you know. We can say like, you know, say Black Ops 4 feels better than Fallout 76, because of the controls. I think that might be what he's getting at. Maybe, but feel, feel is such a, it's a very, very ambiguous thing. I mean, honestly, I don't even really remember what the point was that he was trying to make. Well, that's the thing, because I don't know what he was trying to say. I, that's what I'm saying. It's a strange word that could mean multiple things. It could be interpreted in multiple ways. Also, I just want to say, Jack said that's the conversation was agreed upon was Jack and Eric versus me and Wolf. And the says there that Rags said he didn't want to. That's not true at all. So if he's saying I said that, I didn't, if I've ever said that, that's never something I meant to say. But if he's saying Rags has said it, I can tell you for a fact Rags has never said that. Yeah, I definitely never said that. You're happy to come on, but I'm not going to leave. We're not going to kick off a member of the show because it makes you feel uncomfortable. Grow some balls. Come on. Especially for you. Sorry, Eric, and you, especially not for you guys and all people. We will address that when they address us with it, which I think is in the last few minutes, but we'll definitely get this. So now we're going to, we've responded to all of the section we're about to cover. We're just going to watch it again just so you guys get how bullshit it is. Take it from here and discuss the last Jedi and Mauler's problem. It doesn't show most of my video and basis is argument off of something that should be skipped this part and just already pretty much ran over all of this. Because we can skip the little bit about Wolf. But slower and worse. Now in that video, I say that I don't give a shit about Star Wars. Because at that point, I had only seen an episode four and five and it was too far back. Well, so what I will, I'll throw Eric a bone here. So if someone says movies with characters who eat apples are always bad, you just feel, and then my evidence is this movie where a character eats an apple is bad. The, um, the example is, in that sense, yeah, the example would be irrelevant. The argument would be something you can address, whether or not the example is true. Molly guy, take down the logo. Where do you have go down call? Sorry, I'm sorry folks, it's back up. Let's go. Remember, this was on purpose. I delayed watching any Star Wars media consciously because I wanted to make it clear that it doesn't really matter whether Wolf is correct about the things he's criticizing. Oh, so the important reason why Wolf has examples is just proofs that it's happened in real life. The results have been seen. Um, and I think the most like potent one would be the, uh, the kingdom come deliverance one. And you know, it doesn't matter if I don't have examples that the earth is flat because Eric is wrong. It's flat. I know because I said so. I would say that if he was, this is going to sound really dumb as soon as I start saying it, but if he was right, he would be right as an, if he was right about his overall point, he would be right that the examples don't make it better. Because when you make a general point, the fact that you've got examples doesn't mean that your general point is true. He didn't. And I, I, I feel that's what he believes. But like that's what he's trying to say here. To again, hopefully throw an additional bone like if Eric is listening to this. Um, what I think that you think you've done is listen to Wolf fully and decided he never made an argument. Even if the argument is presented and it's bad, you've decided that if the argument is presented as bad, it's not worth responding to. And thus you haven't shown it. But anyone can do that to anyone and then claim they're not taking out a context. As in, you know, Jay makes a huge argument for, uh, exactly why Thanos did what he does in Infinity War. And then I just, my response to him is showing his opening where he says, I'm going to make a lot of arguments for Thanos. And I go, he doesn't really make any good arguments. It's all pretty bad, to be perfectly honest with you. And that's it. And it's, it's unfair is, uh, at the very least, you, you should be able to sort of agree, please, that it's just unfair to not present the bad argument if you think it's a bad argument. You can tell me it's a bad argument. I mean, you're wrong. But you can say that it's when you say that I don't have an argument when I factually demonstrably do that we have an issue. Yeah, hopefully that makes more sense. A lot of people in the chat seem concerned about me. Apparently I sound like I'm dying. You do sound a little ill. Are you okay? I am ill. I was hoping people wouldn't notice, but apparently they have. I've just taken painkillers, so hopefully it'll get better soon. People are also saying that now that Eric's on screen, they want you to bring the logo back up. Because he's, he's wrong no matter what. His, his, the premise of his argument is... He's wrong no matter what. Well, he's decided that forced diversity isn't a thing. The wolf can't even be right. That's what I said earlier. If you walk in saying that the other person is wrong, no matter what. Intrinsically. Like what, why even? Like honestly, why even have a discussion with you? I guess maybe for the benefit of the people watching. But that would pretty much be it. Because I don't think Eric or Jack would agree with this, but I imagine you guys would. Like principles of argumentation. If someone says to you, I'm going to present my arguments for why all white people need to be killed. As a white person, I would be against that, but I would be like, let's hear the argument. Oh, I would love to hear the argument. But I wouldn't then say you're wrong from the get go. Therefore you don't have an argument because that's not true. Yeah, you can have an argument and it can be a bad one. You could still have an argument. If I were to give him the benefit of the doubt here, I would say that what he is trying to say is that examples don't matter for generalization. If I wanted to say, you know. Oh, we've already agreed about it. And even then, if it's one general, if there's one tendency against another, then a lot of it will come down to how prevalent are the examples. Yeah. Because the amount of examples make it general. They make it the tendency. It's good to have examples, but you don't have to debunk every individual example to make a point about to disagree with a general point. Someone just highlighted that. I forgot to put since since channel description. I'm sorting that out. You guys talk about something. So since you're wrong, it's a good move. Yeah. No, it's good. That's the end of the wrong number. What? No, we're going to. Oh, shut up. We're going to have this debate. No matter what. Look, you disagree. You don't have an argument. All right, that is update. I'm just going to deny that you've made any arguments at the end of it and then claim I'm right. And that will be how the debate will go. And I will win based on my superior logic and facts. Beautiful. And your rhino milk and my rhino milk. All right, then. He never defines forced diversity as anything more narrow than the diversity present in things he doesn't like. How do you know what I like and do not like? I was going to say, do you actually I'm trying to think of how you could counter that statement with just one reference. So the Shawshank Redemption. Yeah, there's diversity in that film and Wolf likes it. So that's out. I mean, it's one of the best films ever made. So what is the Shawshank Redemption? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Morgan Freeman's character is not black in the book, but he is in the movie. And I love Morgan Freeman and I love that movie. Benefit of the doubt. He doesn't know that you like that and that that would be considered forced diversity. But that does break his point. No, I'm not going to give him benefit of the doubt because he's making it. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not going to give him that because he's making an assumption based on something that he doesn't understand and he doesn't know anything about that. Yeah, I was going to say it goes both ways. He's made a definitive statement where he should he doesn't have enough information to do so. That's just a disingenuous claim. Such as Wolf doesn't like Beatles the Cat and then I go, Wolf hates all cats. Beatles. I don't fucking know. Tickles. It's like it's Georgie. Georgie. Yeah, save Georgie. Hashtag, save Georgie. Because I ain't surprised that you, of course, you have a cat. I have a cat. Yeah, of course you have a cat, too. I don't consider cats horribly worthless. I just prefer dogs. I do. What? No, you're objectively wrong. I had a cat for 19 years and she was my favorite pet ever. I currently have a cat. I like cats enough. You will never, you will never be right. I love that cat. Yeah, I remember all the time I go around and I see all the seeing eye cats and bomb sniffing cats and paramedic cats and oh yeah. I never said they were particularly useful in every year. I said they were useful. I just said they're nice pets. I just said they were useful. Dogs are the only animal that can do that. That doesn't mean that literally all of us that's it. Yeah, what about rhinos, rags? They can't do that and they still provide delicious milk. You can ride rhinos and first off, you can milk rhinos. We've established this. Second off, you can use them for bombs. Human. You can't milk a dog. Yeah, rhinos, they just send rhinos and they can't technically milk a dog. You can ride rhinos into battle. I saw it in the Black Panther movie. That is, Wakanada is a place in Africa, right? It's real. It's all real. Isn't he a Jedi Wakanada? Probably. I don't know. Sorry, Eric. We're coming back to you. Sorry about that. Onto the entire video point by point. You have to make arguments. Yeah, I zoomed into my face. That means I'm right. It's funny. HBomber Guy does this a lot. I think, Jay, you probably use this style a little bit, right? Oh yeah, I totally do that. But when I do it, I think... Oh my God. I try to only do it when I'm telling the truth. So someone in the chat said, Holy shit, is this Chris Chan's brother? Don't be so mean to Chris Chan and Eric. No, I'm not mean to Chris Chan. I'm okay with... Well, I'm not exactly okay with Chris Chan. It is more of an insult to Chris Chan. Chris Chan's contribution to Shrek retold was enormously impressive. Yeah, that was the best part of the whole. I laughed my ass off when that came on. I had no idea what was happening. Well, it's Chris Chan. You never know exactly what's happening. That's true. But hey, now that I've made my arguments, I can watch every single Star Wars movie, which I did. I watched every mainline Star Wars film episodes one through eight. And I actually like them a lot. I'm sorry, I dissed them in the video. They're actually pretty good. So the best one... I wonder if he means all of them are pretty good by that or not. Because even I... He said they're... All I'm suggesting is you're welcome to like sequels. You're welcome to like OT. You're welcome to like prequels. I find it rare that someone would like all of them because they're so different, you know? Yeah. There are plenty of people who like all of them. Like I said, rare. I'm not saying it's impossible. Did most people have an opinion on which would be the best set and which would be the worst set? You know what I mean? I... Yeah, I mean... There are people who just like pretty much anything. Like my dad, with movies, he likes basically just every movie. He goes to a movie, he's probably gonna... Yeah, that's fair enough. I guess... Yeah, all I'm asking is, Eric, did you like all of them? Because I think he puts phantom men as the last one. I'm curious if you liked that one. The second best was Episode 3, Revenge of... Oh, sorry, I skipped ahead. Or at least it jumped for me. Yeah, he said the best was The Last Jedi. Sorry, I dissed them in the video. They're actually pretty good. Wait, he's not allowed to like The Last Jedi. That's a no-no. Yeah, your arguments are invalid because you like Last Jedi, Eric. That's something that we do and say here. Yeah, apparently. One was The Last Jedi. Obviously. But the second best was Episode 3, Revenge of the Sith. I like that one a lot. Interesting. And then the entire original trilogy comes next. Like, I had very similar positive feelings for all three of them. But Return of the Jedi was my favorite. It was closely followed by A New Hope, and then Empire Strikes Back didn't, like... That's an unusual order to put the OT in. It's interesting, isn't it? This lineup. That one comes last. I'd love to talk to Eric about this lineup, like how he... Look, I am almost positive that he did that just to spite everyone that says that The Empire Strikes Back is the best one. Yeah, I'm 7th. Because I cannot... Now, I will say Return of the Jedi, for me, is my favorite in the whole saga above Empire, but Empire is an objectively better made movie. I don't care if it's... They don't believe in that. Yeah. They think that's bullshit, so... I don't really care about the placement itself, but the fact that he put The Last Jedi and Revenge of the Sith, two of the most hated films... Well, Revenge of the Sith... Yeah, Revenge of the Sith in retrospect. Not the absolute worst... But far the best movie. Yeah, not as hated. What's strange is that he has 8 at the top, and then we have to go that far to get to 7. Oh, he justifies why that is. Yeah, I think he's about to explain it. ...followed by A New Hope and then Empire Strikes Back. Didn't like The Force Awakens all that much. That one comes last. And then the remaining two prequels are below that. So 2 is the worst. And yeah, I'm just curious if he still likes 2. Like, he had good ideas, but... Just critical, critical pacing issues. Just made them a slog to get through. So I can speak to someone who only... I like that the pacing is his biggest problem. Not everything else. Well, I like the idea that the biggest problem is the pacing, yet he loves The Last Jedi. Yeah, I was about to say. Interesting. It's fine to like The Last Jedi, but it definitely doesn't have the best pacing. Well, now you have to talk about what is pacing. How do we objectively decide what is good pacing versus bad pacing as a whole? And again, he doesn't subscribe to that. Well, you know what? I'm not going to make entirely objective arguments here, but I would say it would be very easy to argue that if you have something that feels very climactic and then you have falling action and then rising action again, that's definitely strange pacing at least. And I would consider it. But if I'm Eric and I can say you think that's strange pacing, I think it's perfect pacing. I mean, maybe that would be his response. I am just... I mean, it's fine if he thinks that if that pacing works for him. Well, we know how good Eric is at identifying arguments. So I don't know who it is. Just to make it perfectly clear myself and Eric agree to be on for a discussion with Wolf and Moeller, thereby making it an even discussion. That is not the nature of this show. All I will say in response to that is how would you... What would your response be to me and Rags or Rags and Wolf with you two? Is it the same or do you have something against Rags? That's the important part. They do have something against Rags. Of course. I'm leading them with that question because I know the answer. Eric has literally deliberately said in the past that he doesn't like Rags. He also included you in that. I got booted out of that, unfortunately. I'm trying to get the impression that you don't like any of this very much. This is... No, there's no... We're not going to concede that. The nature of the show is the three of us and then a guest or two. We're not going to kick off one of our hopes because you don't feel comfortable about it. Unless they provide very, very rational reason for why Rags can't be here, which I think is going to be impossible considering the playground insults does not trump out of context mischaracterizations. So even if I considered that a leg to stand on, it's already been lost by doing something worse to us back. So you can't come up with a reasonable reason for why Rags shouldn't be here. And then my olive branch will be that you can choose who you would prefer to remain as silent as they can. As in, like you say, we want to be addressing you know, Mauler only, Wolf only. You're not going to choose Rags, but if you did, Rags only and the others, we'd prefer they stay out of the conversation unless absolutely relevant. I will give you that. Even then I don't like that. I will even, I will even, and I don't know if Wolf and Rags will agree with this, but I would even extend to you that I would not use a singular swear word or insult if you were desperately demanding it. Not that I would definitely use... I can do without swearing. Yeah, I can go without insults too. What I'm trying to say is we will accommodate you to an extent, but we're not, you don't control this yourselves. I mean, honestly, maybe you too should man up. I know that's a little difficult since neither of you seem to know what gender you are, but maybe stop being cowards and trying to kick off a member of the show. Just come on, since you've both made videos utterly misrepresenting us, taking us out of context and deliberately lying about us. Stick by what you say. Don't try to push me out of it because you don't want to stand by your own words. You get Jared. Yeah, we'll get Jared on. Jared could be the BD8. Every 10 seconds he'll be like, anyways, guys, I like the idea that you bring him on for the debate and he literally controls everything. Everything he says has to be done. Like, he's in charge of it. I want to see what would happen. I want Jared to debate them one on two. I feel like Jared would assassinate them. Maybe we'll get Jared to mediate the arrival debate. But what does the film mean, guys? Can you talk about that? So I can speak as someone who only recently I wonder if James Ralf is playing with these works. By the way, what is it with people who make responses to us and the guests they bring along is the worst part of it? I don't know. I got to be honest with you. I prefer Eric's parts to, even though I think that they're both erroneous. This is totally subjective. I feel like Eric is more genuine than Jack. We do have 43 minutes to go. Yeah. Well, yeah, I'll give my take on that at the end. You can just call me naive. I'm fine with it. I still think that there's good people inside them. And actually, they did try. They've just monumentally failed. Like, I know Eric doesn't recognize how shitty he is. So I think you're right there. Also, someone in chat said, someone in chat said, interesting that you say, claim playground insults, and then you say the cowards and make fun of the gender. Playground insults was referring to us. But we will get to the morality of that if you really are curious on why it's OK to use playground insults. I can't believe I'm saying that. I'm perfectly fine with making fun of their gender or lack thereof. This is so very interesting. Your credit, this guy in chat says, you're criticizing both of them. They're criticizing both of you. Rags is irrelevant and you're using you. You guys are using me as a shield to avoid discussing with them. We've literally offered them to be on the show, but we're not going to kick off a host. I would have liked if you clipped onto us. That's weird. I don't know. I think this is just like, like really just exemplifies the low intelligence of both these people and their idiot audiences. Rags could be literally muted. For the exp... I'm not saying he should be. I wouldn't be OK with it. What I'm saying is in the scenario in which Rags was here but muted, that would be more acceptable because I don't like it. It doesn't sit well with me that he's being forced out for no reason that I don't like it. If you want me to argue like from a... I don't know. He's my friend. He's a member of the podcast. There's no reason why I should do that. It is absolutely asinine to expect that we are going to kick off one of the hosts of the podcast because you don't want him to be there and you don't have any valid reason for it beyond... I mean, did you mention him in this video? I haven't seen the whole video. Well, they've already used me as a way to dishonestly imply that we can't articulate the reasons why we say the things we do. All that Rags is used because Wolf can't articulate. See, guys, I'm enjoying being here. It's great, right? But I feel that you guys are all talking a lot too much. It's making me really uncomfortable, so can you also believe? I'd prefer it if I was just on the stream by myself. And you can debate. You can debate Jay. I'll debate myself. All along, Sins wasn't a guest. He's actually the owner. He's a majority stakeholder in the eFap company. Jay is technically our... He's our business manager. He gets us really. Yeah. Guys, you can't really own this or I'll fire you. The three of us are diversity hires. That's true. That's true. Gas mask people are underrepresented. I used to have a gas mask avatar when I was 12. I used to call myself Sinsins when I was one. Caught you. But my gas mask avatar was far worse because I, unironically, my gas mask avatar was in a fedora. So... Oh. I know. That was your first mistake. Anyway... Oh, no. I made loads of mistakes way before that. I'm not going to comment on that, Jay. I'm just going to say that makes sense. That's all I'm saying. When I was four years old, I yelled, take across the street without knowing what it meant. Someone said, where is Wolf? Nice. Well, listen. Wolf couldn't be here today because we needed someone from the intellectual gaming community to represent... Captain Tonald Luke. Captain Tonald Luke. Beautiful. So I can speak as someone who only recently became acquainted with these works that the Star Wars films are actually good. They are hashtag EricTaxOnApproves. However, there was another motive to me finally watching these films. See, our old pal Mahler has a five hour long critique of The Last Jedi on his channel. And I wanted to give him a fair shake. I know, you didn't. Watch the whole thing. So there you go, Mahler. Someone actually watched one of your critiques. I don't believe that at all. I don't believe you there. I actually don't believe that. I think he has evidence that he's done it later. I'm happy to believe that he has. He still makes the same mistakes that he makes with Wolf. But... Mistakes and quotation marks. I'm being as nice as I can. Look. You said we might call you naive. You're welcome to, honestly. I'll call myself naive. It's just so that it's said. It's not like they can prove that they haven't been malicious and we can't prove that. I mean, we kind of can. I mean, I don't at face value. I don't trust Eric. He has not demonstrated. Does this feel familiar, guys? Do you remember anyone else who did shit like this? I did. In a certain individual situation? But yeah. So it's a joke. It's fine. The part where he says, hey, more or someone actually watched your video. But you didn't expect that to happen. But I have to highlight a bit of a funny. He's almost like accidentally implied that I wouldn't expect my critics to watch the video. And he's saying I actually did. And I'm like, Eric, that's like the base requirement for criticising my video. So it's funny, Eric. I agree. Like it's a nice little delivery there, but it undercuts itself when you really think about what you've just said. That's all. I said individual situation. People think I'm talking about Quinn. But you are, aren't you? I thought you were. I thought you were. No, Brett Keen. Well, we've never covered Brett Keen. Oh, I don't know enough about Brett Keen. I thought that was what you were referencing. No, no, I'm referencing how we've seen this before on EFAP. Oh, well, we've also seen this on DP. The whole like. I only want to talk to the amazing atheist. Yeah, the argument that we'll gang up on them or whatever is just, I don't know. Come on, guys, really. It's something that I kind of, you could say is admirable about certain people like this. Let's say it was Eric Jack, H-Bomber Guy, Sean, and seven other people, Lindsay Alice, and Dan Olson, all of them in a chat. And then they said, OK, Mola, Mr. You can objectively judge a movie. Come into this chat. I'd be like, sure, I just don't know how much I'd be able to get in with that many people there. But I mean, I would give it a shot. So yeah, come on. We have a precedent of letting people on who we've disagreed with and they've been outnumbered. Yeah, check out the TRO video, I guess is what we can say. Yeah, like the TRO video. Check out the Sin Sin's video and check out the person in the call with us right now. Yeah. I mean, he's the majority shareholder in EFAP and industries now. So look at that. You guys do gag up on your guests. I'm just going to go for a minute. I will be right back. So if by gang up on your guests, you mean we've provided points all backed up a fellow point. It's just like, sure. But my definition of gang up is a little bit more specific and harsher than that. I mean, like the fact that having three people here is automatically a gang up if there's less than three on the other side. Like, I don't know what to tell you at that point. That's just not how I would define it myself. Anyway, let's carry on. Hopefully Sin Sin's is able to hear it. See our old pal Mahler someone in the chat pointed out at least just right had the guts to take on both you and me. Like on the floor, like we didn't even expect that he was going to watch that stream. Absolutely. Until he would be in rags. But he said about you and Fallout 76. I don't know what he said about me and Fallout 76. I mean, I mean, can we imagine I don't know. I mean, I think, I think my video is pretty good for a first time, first one of its kind. So it's doing pretty good too. Yeah, it's doing pretty good. Hello. Another motive to me finally watching these films. See, our old pal Mahler has a five hour long. You said what? Sorry. Who said I like to fall out 76? What? That's a hot tower. That is an odd takeaway for somebody to think that I like to fall out 76. Yeah, I personally wouldn't have assumed that from your video. Personally. Tell me sweet little lies. I can't get over that video. I love that. Oh, he was just joking. Okay, okay. At this point, we have to make sure. Yeah, he's kind of gone beyond the pale with this week. We don't know what's a joke. I'm not serious. We actually do. Yeah. See, our old pal Mahler has a five hour long critique of the last Jedi on his channel. And I wanted to give him a fair shake. So I watched the whole thing. So there you go, Mahler. Someone actually watched one of your critiques all the way through. Someone seems like a couple, like a million or so people might have done that. No, they just clicked on and off. Who's clickbait? I'm sure you can tell from your audience retention how many people finished it. That's just audience lies. You mean YouTube analytics are just lies, Jay. Do you know that lies and slander? I'll admit it. I'll admit it. I was all one million views. All right. So assuming that people went from first to second to third, they didn't just skip to the third. That means nine hundred and eighty people watch them. Well, that's so that's how many. That's the third. It was a joke. Three has he was making a funny. He's like, haha, no, I mean, he's not going to empathize with somebody who enjoys it. That's very clear. So from his perspective, why would anyone watch it? And then he's like, why is there a million views on it? No, this makes sense. And then they're like, aha, it's because more is tricking people into thinking he's an in-depth critic, which is the point of this video. Molo, are you buying views? Are you subbotting? Literally buying the bots from rags and the views from Jay. So why are you guys reviewing this? I got some spares. Are you paying people to write nice comments on your videos? No, that's just that's me. It is through all the accounts. Yeah, he pays me to make like 15 new accounts a day. It was very good. Every video. All right. It was concise. Here we go. It was concise. We'll give you a little rundown of the plot of the film they're talking about before they start really delving into the into the minutiae of the larger picture. Like Dan Olson on Folding Ideas has a wonderful video called The Art of Storytelling and the Book of Henry. Just out of curiosity, who is Dan Olson? I don't know who this is. Yeah, I saw it. He made a video. I would actually recommend everyone watch on Suicide Squad. He explains all of the reasons why Suicide Squad is really poorly edited. It's really a strong video. He's not a fan of me because he saw my videos on H. Barma Guy, who he's a friend of and he got very flustered when I said that fun is subjective and that you shouldn't be arguing that it's something that is absolutely gained in certain scenarios for gameplay. So like my argument being H. Barma Guy was like if you make Dark Souls less challenging by changing this thing, it'll be less fun as a result. And I was like, that's not necessarily true. That's ridiculous. Yeah, I think it's a pretty silly thing to say. And so he put out a tweet saying something like fucking hell, this guy is telling me that fun is subjective. And it's like, well, yeah. And there were a couple of other problems he seemed to have with it, but he didn't watch much of part one from what I remember of his tweets and he's not a fan. I still think he makes some good videos from what I've seen and I'm totally okay with him. I don't think he's gonna interact with me any time I don't want to. He was just mentioned like three times in this video so far. Yeah, I got it. Okay. Anyway. Gotcha. Nusha of the larger picture, like Dan Olson. Oh yeah, and people are gonna be commenting about his politics. He's probably got politics that people don't like. It's fine. Unfolding Ideas has a wonderful video called The Art of Storytelling and The Book of Henry where he spends like 10 minutes of a 40-minute video just giving a play-by-play of the plot. Mahler's video also has this. It's just, it lasts four hours. And I'd like to say that's 20, yeah, but 10-minute summary out of a 40-minute video. That's 25%. That's a fourth of the video is talking about what happens just a plot summary. That's a lot. So like, this is gonna be a recurring theme of the criticisms that I do too much plot summary. I don't know when to address it as a whole, I think we'll let them make the criticism a few more times just so it sets in as to what exactly they're saying because I've spoken to Jay about it. Yesterday, I think. But calling what I do plot summary to me feels a little bit just like... Simplistic, oversimplistic. A little bit, yeah. Like, I wish I was given a bit more benefit of not the doubt, benefit of the text. I don't know. Just look at what I do when I'm doing a plot summary and if all you can draw from it is something that you feel you could get from Wikipedia, I guess that's fine as interpretation but I'll explain the purpose of it when we get to more of the criticisms. For anyone curious as to what he has to say, you can skip like halfway into part three of the analysis and you'll miss nothing. Like... Really? I... Wow. Disagree. The one of the parts I'm really proud of is the end of part one breaking down what they did to Luke and he's suggesting you skip over it. As much as I understand that he is saying skip the plot summary and go to the summary which is... A lot of people might want to do that with my videos. That's fine. I would personally say even if you want to do that it's worth checking out the Luke bit and then if, you know, if you hate the way it's written Eric and you think you should be skipped anyway, that's fine. I'm just saying that... There's so much in there. There's a lot. There was supposed to... There's so much in there. It's like the majority of the five hours. And if you go to one hour, eight minutes of part three you find the part where me and Mahler became friends. The beautiful little time capsule. As far as I'm concerned and I've not seen the critique in a while so I could be wrong on this but if you want proof for everything you're saying watch the first four hours and if you just want the conclusions watch the rest. That's my take. The summary... I'll be saying things that on their own would require proof but they assume that you've seen the previous four hours. So I mean he's right as far as if you literally just want to know what you think then you'll get a lot of it from just the last part. I mean I've watched the videos multiple times because I know in a single viewing I can't glean everything that's right there. There's just so much. There's so much that's being talked about. So many things that are discussed and compared with one another. So many justifications for the scenes. The idea that if you just skip to four fifths of the way through and you won't miss anything. That's just... Of course, I just agree with that. Like what a... In what universe? But yeah, we'll get going. The analysis and you'll miss nothing. He's spending that entire first four hours just giving a excruciatingly slow... How about all the points where he paused the movie and said this is what they could have done to make this scene better. Yeah, like this is insanely disingenuous. I don't even have a... I don't even have a... Hey! I don't have references to play to count to his point because I just don't think his point holds any weight at all. I mean, I know what to say. And it's that Eric is a terrible person. That you just objectively... For four hours, you just described literally just what happens in the movie. There's nothing else. There's no thoughts. There's no ideas. There's no criticisms. Glipfax only highlighted because he's seen this video. He was like, it's weird that he says you've essentially summarized the two and a half hour movie in four hours. And he was like, how does he think that you do that without people noticing? Like, you must have put something else in there, right? Like, how would people fall for that? An extended version of what you saw in the film? Like, that would be really... So I have to have something in there, surely. The one I would reference for anybody curious, right? So the Luke part at the end of part one at the beginning of part one near the beginning, I present my take on what could happen if you had Tarkin talking to Po instead of Hux and how you might deal with it from a dialogue perspective is a part where I talk about what it means to subvert and how you could do it well or not. I think I use the departure as a counter example. The problem with Snoke, I think I do have a whole section on that beyond what's happening in the film, what it means for the rest of the series. Like, there's a lot of little pieces of mini-analysis and I think Eric's missed them. Like what... I mean, like in chat said, the Tarkin speech thing. The Tarkin thing. Like, how do you... I was like, there's so many... What do you even say to that? Yeah, so, you know, there's not much to do there other than just say, okay, that's his take, I guess. He's spending that entire first while... Like, okay, I hope you like like being a compulsive liar. I, this is... I think this is lying. This, the idea that you can listen to four hours or something and just say, it's just a summary of a movie. I gotta assume that the way you would cover his ass on this is that that was his take on it. Or something. Of course he would. He will do anything to weasel out of any situation he's called out on because he is that disingenuous. I hope that all of his fans will be paying really close attention to this. The response to this is, oh, so we've taken you out of context, have we? Typical molar. And I'm like, okay, but when I provide this moment from the video that you said is only X thing and I'm showing it's Y thing, does this matter to you? And they're like, no. And I'm like, why am I speaking to you? What's the point? If there's no discussion. Okay. Good. Of the analysis. Efebs in the related videos on that screenshot. I mean, I think one of the most interesting parts of your video, I think might be my favorite part, is how you talk about the what they could have done with Poe's character in the Cantalbite scene with good and evil and him developing and learning about the morality and how it might be complicated and all that stuff. I thought it was really, really well done. Really liked it. And I think that to just glean all over that stuff and say that it's essentially to say that doesn't, that didn't even exist. I mean, seriously, if you look at, oh yeah, Finn, I'm sorry, sir. But if you look at, because it was at the beginning of part two, it was at the beginning of one of them. I forget it's all, it's all kind of a blur because they're all so long. But I mean, not in a good way though. No, it's fine. They're designed to be rewashed. Hopefully, like in a year's time, you go, hey, I might watch it again because there's, it's supposed to be dense with content. And I know that you'd be like, wow, that's Vayne Moeller. But I'm like, oh, well, I was trying to design it that way. I'm not saying it's absolutely true. I want to give you a lot of content. I mean, you did what a lot of other reviewers like wouldn't be able to do, which is go in depth and even give examples of what could be done to improve the movie, not just say this is what's wrong and then leave it at that. Well, like what Wolf said, if you, if you are like an Eric Taksin fan, like if I was a fan of Eric and I watched this and I had watched your video, what do you even think of him at that point? Like what, at what point do the gears start turning about the kind of person that he is? And that's up for everybody to interpret. To each his own, to each his own that you can mull about at your leisure, just to, though speaking out loud. The entire first four hours just giving a excruciatingly slow play-by-play of the movie. But here's the thing, Mahler makes objective critiques. Some of them. And what this means is that every qualitative judgment that he makes on the film is based off of what is provable. Which might seem fine, but what this results- I like that, which might seem fine. It's like, it is fine Eric. Yeah, that would be fine, but he has his opinions in there and- Yeah, there is. So you can see the where we're heading. It's like we're starting in the same position and then they veer off immediately. So they're like, Mahler does objective critiques. Like, careful is objective criticisms in the critique and I usually try and make an objective conclusion based on the objective criticisms while simultaneously letting the audience know how I felt about the content. And that is the critiques, that is not the rages, which is another problem this video has too, but we will get there. Scruciatingly slow, play-by-play of the movie. But here's the thing, Mahler makes objective critiques and what this means is that every, uh, every qualitative judgment that he makes on the film is based off of what is provable. Which might seem fine, but what this results in is it just, the entire critique is just a endless string of observations that you can just see- I thought it was just plot summary. It's basically- So it's interesting that you said that they're an endless string of observations that you can just see. Let's say, for example, the disappearing knife. Did everyone see the disappearing knife on their first run-through? No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I know. I mean, my first run-through, I thought that the, that scene was one of the only few parts of the movie that were good and then it was until later and I was like, oh. I was gonna say the proof of this is you go to my TLJ rage and I say the scene is awesome, then you go to my TLJ critique and I say, okay, it's okay. There's lots of problems. If you ask me now, I'm like, it's a fucking mess. Yeah, I think it's pretty terrible now. Choreography errors everywhere and you'd be like, well, so it's based on how much you notice and I'm like, that's true. And the thing is, when someone watches a movie- Observations. They notice x amount. The next person notices x. The next person notices x. And Eric, if you notice every single thing that I present in the video, like you'd already know it, that's fantastic, but there's a lot of people who don't. Yeah, and the difference between those is it doesn't matter how much you personally notice. It doesn't change what's actually there. There's an amount of frames in the film, right? Those don't change based on what you do or don't notice. They're always going to be there and we can look at those and we can analyze those. This fascination with first viewing is strange to me. But I don't know if they said it's intrinsically bad to do a plot summary yet, but I'm saying that there is value to presenting observations even if there are things that you just know already. Because that's all I'm doing anyway. It's doing things that anyone else could do. I'm not a god. I mean, plot summary is useful. But you know what? I am not a god. I'm demigod, close, but, you know, unfortunately, I don't like the question. One knows that SimSins is Yahweh. I'm sorry. You're Yahweh, right? I'm sorry, what? You were born again, weren't you? Oh, no, no, no. Yes, once. Just once. Are you trying to tell me that? Are you trying to tell me that I've been following a false god my whole life? Oh, we got guys, we did it. We did it. Jack on Twitter said at the current rate, Mueller's response covered by 53 minute video is going to be over just over 12 and a half hours long. I wish I was kidding. Well done. You've good job. You've pointed out what EFAP is. Congratulations, Jack. Congratulations. You a show that's called every frame of pause will be long. Good job. You're a bright one. Excellent. So smart, Jack. You got us. We've been dismantled. We've complete dismiss. That almost like heals the heartbreak. I now feel knowing that SimSins wasn't actually God. I was going to say it's interesting. My whole world's just rocked. How the opposite ends look at it, though, because we're like, okay, so we need to be very explicit. We need to have references and you just show you where they've been stumbled. I'm going to use that word. Where they've stumbled and how they've stumbled. And then their reaction is you're taking too long. But they're right. It would definitely be better if you just said, no, this is wrong and then moved on. Yes. That would be objectively better. It would be shorter. So it would be shorter. I'm glad they go on with our lives. People clapping. I don't think they ever mentioned that EFAP is long before. I will agree with them on that actually. You know what I'm saying? And putting out there, EFAP is objectively long. Long is not relative. Okay. We all agree. Unless we're talking about like- I think long is relative. Shit. That ruined our argument. Because we agree on everything. Exactly. No, we don't. Especially cats. But yeah. Go ahead, Eric. Take the stage. But what this results in is it just, the entire critique is just a endless string of observations that like you can just see. It's basically just watching the movie again, but slower and with a guy yammering in your ear about how much he hates it. And Maz has displayed to them on some kind of 360 video call, which isn't explained in any way, but why bother at this point? Also interestingly with that point, I actually kind of- I would criticize it myself. I would be like, I didn't necessarily explain why I made that statement because I thought it was obvious, but that's my bad. So what I'm referring to is Maz is in the middle of like a civil war with what she says or some, the civil war union disagreement, I think she says. And she's actively getting shot at. And yet she has a camera that allows her to be displayed in 360 while she's like jumping and jetpacking around. And I was like, huh. Yeah, the hologram just happens to change angles at random moments, which no other hologram has ever done in the history of Star Wars. And she has this setup, the moment that they call her. Like I was just like, okay, that's a thing now. And again, how did, how was Poe the one that called her when he wasn't the one that met her in the Force Awakens? And how did she even get there? Because the last time we saw her was in that castle thing where that exploded. We have to do a lot of assumptions. Like she must have another home and the union dispute might be over the fact that the place got destroyed and her workers are not happy. And she has this call thing ready whenever someone calls her, I guess. And you're just like, all right then. See, I understood that's what you're going for, but have you considered that this is a nitpick which means your entire critique is? Oh yeah. Well, this is the irony, right? So I'm making a small nitpick that is technically what I'm doing. I'm mainly just asking a question of like, how hell does any of that work? But fine, we'll move on. You're saying it's essentially strange. It's an odd thing to have. And so like Quinton, they've taken this and have been like, look what Mola does. And I'm like, you're nitpicking me. That's not all that I do. This is just like how I nitpick the film. It's not all the film offers, but I do cover what the film fucking offers. I don't not do that. We're not going to say their whole video is really bad because they just said this one thing. It's just a pile of piling up. Yeah. And there's some things I've said we've agreed with already. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I imagine simplistic statements, but still, yeah. I mean, do you want every, do you want every statement in a critique to be about an extremely important, there are people out there who don't think that, who don't think that, why the Death Star, why the first order Death Stars don't just light speed ahead of the Radis. There are people who don't think that's a big deal. One, basically the whole plot of the movie revolves around that. I think that's a colossal failure of the story. And some people don't think it matters at all. So even if you have them, even if you were to have Mola only talk about the big things, what the big things are is, I mean, that's just going to be its own issue. Yeah, it's going to be a nitpick to some people. Like Billy the fridge. He didn't think that was, he literally said, oh, you're just nitpicking. You're taking it too seriously. I like that Billy the fridge jab you made in your video, by the way. He calls himself, it's not so much a jab. He does call himself Billy the fridge. I know. It's just funny. But the whole thing. Yeah, it was on my brain. Like I said, I'm giving Eric a point for how I did not explain what I was trying to talk about there, but negative point for implying that, you know, there's just not much else in the video, which he's already done. But hey, whatever, it gets worse. All which isn't explained in any way, but why bother at this point? Also C3PO no longer has a red arm. There is no reason for this. So he's seen all three parts. So he's seen the part where I amend that. And I don't know. He might have just gotten a clip from people. He said, I don't trust Eric at basically anything he says at this point. I really don't. Anyone in chat remember where I amended that because it was a mistake? Yes, you did. That's indeed you did. Yeah. I think you start off with part three, saying that. Yeah, I literally, I'm like, oh, I've made a couple mistakes. And there's a few things I forgot to mention. Yeah. Yeah, let's go back with some edits and things people pointed out. So there you go. So, oh, yeah. And for anybody who's may not remember, it's not a problem that C3PO has a golden arm back because he gets it back in the Force Awakens right at the end. And it's easy to miss because he's just in a crowd of people. Or at least I missed it. That's that's my point. And so when people highlighted to me that I'm making, I'm raising something that's not even an issue, I was like, oh, shit, you're right. That's I fucked up. And so this is people are like, more doesn't take criticism. I use that as a citation. Then they're like, no, you accept small errors, sure. You don't accept that you make videos that are way too long. They're bloated and they counter the main points you're actually making. And I'm like, you have to prove those things beyond that that's how you feel about my videos. And that's what this video is supposed to be. And this is partially a reason for why we're responding. This is supposed to stand now as my response to an in-depth vision of that claim. At least we tried. I guess it turns out Jack and Eric are willing to go on the stream with you guys. He's not going because he said that we're being disrespectful. I give as I get. Where's that? I'm sorry. But that is in the stream and stream chat. Somebody mentioned that, but you don't get to say the things you say. And then bitch out because the other person is being disrespectful. Yeah, you don't get to say that we're being disrespectful when you're literally lying about this. I'm sorry. Yeah, like I can't take that seriously after what we've seen so far and what's to come. You've kind of, you've thrown that away. You've lost that. You can't be afforded that charity. Guys, we've been like discussing Eric for quite a while now. Don't forget that Jack does the same thing. Oh, he's coming back. As I said, I felt like he did worse than Eric in this video. Yeah, just so all the Jack and Eric fans that happen to be watching this either live or on the recorded one on the Mueller channel, don't forget that both of these people are making these really disingenuous claims. And I want you to really pay attention to these people. And if you're a fan of them, I think you should really reevaluate why you're a fan and if you should even stay subscribed because this is ridiculous. I wanted to mention, by the way, that even, you know, Shinobi, even he, when he was going to address Wolf's more offensive comments in his Forza Fallen Kingdom review, Shinobi actually put a disclaimer saying that between the time of editing his video and releasing it, Wolf had released a video explaining that he feels slightly different on potential past things that he'd said in videos. Shinobi put that in the video, as if to say, like, Wolf has actually commented on this from here on. I want that to be known. Shinobi had more integrity than these two. And Shinobi went ballistic after that stream. But even then, at least he had, apparently, more integrity than these two. So let's, let's push on, Mr. Eric. He gets just a endless string of observations that, like, you can just see. It's basically just watching the movie again, but slower and with a guy yammering in your ear about how much he hates it. Amaz is displayed to them on some kind of 360 video call, which isn't explained in any way, but why bother at this point? Also, C-3PO no longer has a red arm. There is no reason for this. The act of watching all three of these parts all the way through. Actually, sorry, I forgot as well. I actually move on to why I think that's an issue, because you could be like, why is a changing color an issue? And I said that it can represent the merchandise issue. Yeah. Yeah. It'll give a tell for why they would have done in the first place if there's absolutely no plot reason for it, which is in another, you know, like force diversity, force merchandising would be another thing. As we know, if a movie tries to sell merchandise, it's objectively bad. All three of them. But, Moorla, if you read all of the comics, then you'll know why it happens, which means it's good. That's true. For anybody who didn't know, for anybody who criticizes The Last Jedi unfairly, you can get the DLC in a Lego game and you can get a C-3PO novel that explains the red arm. Okay. So stop complaining. It is a uniquely unpleasant experience. He speaks so much and yet says so little. Run away, Georgie. We need to get away from Pennywise. He said he speaks so much and says so little. I was like, oh, man, let's just hang on to that point. And like the tragic thing is that he does have points in amongst all of the observations. Like he does have actual grievances with the film. It's just like it's so padded out that I appreciate the fact that he managed to say that. He at least was able to say there are points made, geez. Round of applause. Thank you for at least saying that. That must have been so difficult to do. Just not that you were not that you were even right or correct, but that you just made points. Chat, I want to see you all type G for Georgie. We need G for Georgie. We need to respect that this cat is a true survivor. He's like a Navy Seal of felines. G for Georgie, everyone. With the film, it's just like it's so padded out that it becomes meaningless. I don't think so. I think it's full of content. Well, see, so if this wasn't about me, let's say I was Eric's best friend and you asked me to look at the scripts. I'd be like, Eric, what do you mean by meaningless, though? Like, are you saying that you find it meaningless or that nobody should be finding meaning in it? And it's like, I just want to say that I find it meaningless. I'm like, okay, there's not much the guy is going to do with that, though. Because if you just say that it's meaningless, you know, there's nothing, he's just going to be like, okay. Yeah, it's like, feel. You know, it's one of those words that could be very... Like, what do you mean it's meaningless? I feel that this is one of those videos. It's great if you go into it not knowing the situation or if you already agree with it. This is like the TRO video. It's so good for people who already hate us. It's like, yes, beat the shit out of them doing. Yeah, he said, yeah. That it becomes meaningless. Georgie, run while you have the chance. What you doing? So... Georgie's the MVP of this video, by the way. I prefer Georgie's arguments and I think Georgie's structure is much more efficient. I literally prefer Georgie's arguments. Basically, what's happened here is that Mahler doesn't know how to edit his shit and now he thinks he invented it. Oh my god, you do not ever get to say that someone doesn't know how to edit it. Yeah, after you make a close-up of the cat jumping down off the little table thing there, I just don't... Oh, I wasn't even talking about that. I was talking about his video on where it went into a fifth dimension with like six different things playing over top of it with like neon lights. Yeah, but, well, if you're addressing it objectively and not thinking about the theme that was applicable to that moment... The theme of having an epileptic seizure, got it. I'm glad you can. I mean, that's interesting, yeah. But yeah, the... I don't know, I'm still learning as an editor. I don't think I'm a great editor. But my goal as an editor is to have a visual that's relevant to what I'm saying. I don't nail that at all times, but... Yeah, like, that's what I try to do with my fallout video. And I hadn't really done... I mean, it's kind of the first of his kind for me, but I did try to do that and it takes time. I don't know if... Maybe he's referring more so to the script. I don't know why I wouldn't have just said writer in that case, but... Yeah, I tell people this, it doesn't matter because the people who think this way are not going to listen to this perspective anyway, but... No, I'm just sitting in front of your webcam and talk. I read over my scripts and I'm like, am I repeating myself here when I say this? No, this is the reason I'm saying this. Am I repeating it? I do it a lot and I'm just... I'm fine with the idea that I've done it. I think that I have done it. It's just that it's a fine line sometimes in the scripting process where I'm like, will this be necessary? Um, there's going to be a line in part five, I think it is, where I re-explain the problems with the stormtroopers in the first order and I actually say, I've explained this in part one, but since that was more than 10 hours ago, I'm going to explain it again because it might be lost on you at this point and that's fair, that's fine. Just just running over a few details. So if you're like, you repeat yourself there, be like, I did just to make sure that people are hearing it, but you know what? I'll throw in a skip option now, knowing how people feel about listening to a thing they've heard already. Yep, this is the pattern that underlies all of Mauler's content and illusion of deep analysis until you really give it any critical thought. On, near on every occasion, three quarters of the video are taken up by a bloated Wikipedia summary, interrupted very occasionally with a shallow observation about something Mauler does or does not like. I think that's demonstrably untrue. I found it insulting that you used the word critical thought while saying that sentence. You've not said anything, Jack, you've just stated it as a fact, so you've got to have some references. But I think if we went to those videos of yours and we tallied up the time you spend just saying, all right, here's what the scene is and then compare that to here's what I think about it, here's where it's wrong, here's where they could have done instead. I think it would be incredibly loaded towards the latter. Once we hit 1420, which is soon, we're going to have a little experiment as to exploring Jack's points about my videos and we're going to see how valid they are. It's going to be exciting, but for now I'm just going to say, Mauler doesn't say anything deep but he's pretending to be deep. He just summarizes and then says something shallow that attains to how he doesn't like or does say the thing. It's like, okay, Jack, prove it. Um, okay. This fucking annoying droid lives matter piece of shit is apparently in all of the episodes that feature the fucking Falcon. I didn't even think you could ruin a ship, but you found away Disney. You fucking found away. So, now I'm confused because I thought we were talking about the critique videos but now we're jumping to the rage videos and is this claim that I've just said what I don't like after doing plot summary and I'd be like, you sure? Someone said Georgie lives matter. So, if you want me to explain it to you, the the ranting in the video is obviously scripted it's for entertainment purposes but it does represent how the movie can or may have made me feel so it could be amplified by that. I really like the Millennium Falcon, personally. And when I found out that L337 is the Millennium Falcon, that annoys me. Can't say that I was thrilled. So that's what that little sequence is. It's supposed to make you laugh while also feeling a little bit like, yeah, that's kind of how I feel about it too. Entertainment is the primary focus of the rage videos. Now, will I ever make an objective argument in a rage video? I don't see why not, especially if it bolsters an argument. But will I make a more subjective probably claims in a rage video compared to a critique? Probably. It's supposed to be a passionate rant. I thought the title would help. Yeah, it has the word rage in it, unbridled rage. Which doesn't apply to deep-studied criticism. I've got a stake on this, if you want to. I had a discussion with him about this in the comments. Oh, I would love it. I've snapped his first comment from that. We're going to do comments at the end, but we will get Jack. Jack will reconcile this contradiction in a comment. We're going to address it at the end, but so we're just presenting the counter argument to the video first. I'll rally with any real flu. So, discuss amongst yourselves. So, what is the best kind of tree? Turley. The best kind of tree? Oh, I get it. He's a dog. Vavorith said it's for people who didn't watch the video, so it's fine that his quotes are out of place. The other aspect of this is that I'm taking that one piece of my solo rage video, which is, I believe, over 40 minutes, over 45. I can't remember specifically. It's interesting because it's like, would you, like, someone who is a huge fan of this channel, do you believe that he's represented the video correctly if he's taken one seven-second clip at most out of what is nearly an hour potentially? Like, for me personally, again, if I was Jack's friend, I'd be like, I don't know, dude, like, I haven't seen that video. Is it really mainly that? Like, sure you could at least get three examples in a row. I don't know. I might check out the video just to make sure, and then you watch and you're like, oh, he talks about how Han Solo has been fucked up in the film and is also contradictive while behaving strangely in terms of, like, goes through a similar arc to the fourth one, and you hope all Star Wars, depending on how you'd like to refer to it, the climax is beyond confusing for what everybody's doing in that room and why they planned for what they did in terms of what their goals are. Like, I break all that down talking about how they've spent extreme amounts of money on the movie and it's all in the practical effects and sets and you could be like, what's wrong with that? And I'm like, oh, well, my theory is that what people are complaining about with the prequels a lot was that the everything was CGI, quote-unquote, while the OT was everything was practical, quote-unquote, to be like, hmm, let's have practical, practical, to the fucking crank that shit to 11. And you're like, oh, and they did, and it's shown in their bleeding budget along with the reshoots. What else did I say? Like, I'm just trying to remember the more substantive points that go beyond me just ranting and making funny jokes sort of thing. That's kind of what I'm getting at here and I just feel like it's a little bit unfair to say that that's what's going on in these videos more so than anything else. Yes. That's my contribution here. Yes. I think we need to get Jared's input personally. I think you'd say I did it okay the way I did it. Why are people spamming tree emojis in the chat? I've seen like three now, I think. Rags peen on a tree. Tree milk. Can you milk any tree? It's called sat. Why would you ask why instead of knowing? You should know what can and cannot be milked. This is a plot hole. Yeah, I can ruin everything. Jay, I need to ask you something. Sure. Is it about a film I have or haven't seen? Should I answer that question? I mean, answer it by going on with what it is you have to ask me. Well, there's some things that some people have seen that you may not have. I just wanted to know if perhaps you have or have not seen them. Sure. Let's do this. Moon. I actually saw the first half of it then realized I was alone in a dark room where the lights didn't work and thought maybe not now because it seems kind of creepy. That doesn't count, Ex Machina. Yes. Her. I don't have it. Oh wait, which one? Her. No. Robot and Frank. I'm sorry, what is that? Robot and Frank. No, I heard you. I just I literally don't know what that is. Oh, that's a that's another movie. Requiem for a Dream. Um, no. The Prestige. No. Blast from the past. Nope. This is the end. Is that a film or are you just saying that to me like this is the end? No, no, no, no, that's an actual video or movie. I have returned. I have not seen that. Is that the one with Seth Rogen? Oh God. E.T. Yes. Thank God. Thank God. I felt like I was going to have a heart attack. The thin red line. E.T. No. The wind that shakes the barley. Nope. Fracture. No. Catch me if you can. Nope. 21. Jump Street. No, 21. No, I've seen 21 Jump Street though. It's not the same. Yes, it is. It has the word. No, it's not. It isn't my opinion. It is the same because it has the word 21 in it. A few good men. No. Doomsday. I've seen John Wick person in the chat and I wanted to draw attention to that because it's one I have seen. Okay, Paradise Now. Nope. Susan of the Witch. No. Harold and Kumar escaped from Garza. I've never seen any fucking film. Like I've seen a lot of films, just not these ones. Like that's how I feel. Free Willy. Wait, yes, but I was really young and I don't remember it. Okay, that still counts. Stand by me. No. Peter Jackson's King Kong. Wait, you haven't seen Stand by Me? Are you shitting me? I love Stand by Me. How are you surprised by me not having seen the film? Come on. How does this surprise you at this point? Peter Jackson's King Kong. I've seen Percy Jackson. Oh, no. That was not the answer. You should have gone for it. Oh. Oh. Tropical. I hated it if that makes you happy. I've already told you I'm not... Push. Oh, man, I like Push. I knew that the stream was going to become this at some point. Push. Answer the question. I said, I already said I haven't seen that. Jomaji. Yes. Oh, I like that. Hidalgo. I'm sure what? That's Hidalgo. I don't know what that is. I love Hidalgo. Vigo Mortensen. Yeah, I saw it because of him. Yeah, Dead Poet Society. Oh, another Robin Williams. Oh, thank God. Smoke Signals? No. The Silence of the Lambs? No. Top Gun. Really big horror. So any horror to see this now? Good morning, Vietnam. I've not seen Top Gun. Good morning, Vietnam. What? Oh, the thing? I've not seen that. I really want to see the thing, but I've not yet. Shutter Island. Yes. The Mummy and the Mummy Returns with Brendan Fraser. I've seen all three Mummy films. Oh, goth. Okay, you at least got that one. Unbreakable. No. Old school. No. Plain Strains in Automobiles. No. A lot harder than me. Do I have to? I live it. Well, someone said not human. Not human. We're going to skip that one. We were soldiers. Oh, God. Oh, of course he hasn't. I have seen Vampire. No, not Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter. And that's, I think, all I need to see. No. I have seen Die Hard Person in the chat. The Sixth Sense? Yes. The Island. Actually, I don't mind if you haven't seen that one. Never mind. Patriot games. Oh, no. The Patriot. And, first in the chat, I have seen Thor the Dark World, unfortunately. Oh, my God. Monty Python in the Holy Grail? Yes. Gadica? No. What? Huh. Do you want to put that on pause until we find another possible break? No, we have to go over everything. This is why the stream is going to be 12 hours long. I was just saying, I was just going to name every movie that ever existed. I'm literally going over every movie that I own. Beginning in 1829. Do you like me to just record a clip of me saying I haven't seen that and then I can leave for the duration of this part and you can just play that on loop? Obviously. Look at all the... This is so many movie suggestions. I've seen Spaceballs Chat. Kitch. I've not seen Twilight. Why would you ask me that? Have you seen Thumb Wars? The Phantom Cuticle? I've not seen Twilight New Moon. Stop asking me Twilight phones. I just cannot fathom how you have not seen Stand By Me. I mean, even if... That was like one of the movies I watched as a kid, like over and over and over. I love that movie. Sandlot? I've seen The Sandlot. Oh, God. He hasn't seen The Sandlot. Come on. A couple boys said, is there a film that you think is objectively bad but you really enjoy and think is subjectively good? Or, well, just you like subjectively? The Avenger of the Sith. The Room. Yeah, The Room, The Avenger of the Sith. Yeah, my Batman and Robin I always say. Annihilation. What it meant to say? Black Panther. Well, I mean, that's fine. This clip that Jack used, by the way, I do go on to explain why it's an issue as well and how it happened and what doing that to the Falcon is doing. Things that this introduces. This is the funny rage part. And then I'm like, by the way, this is the actual reason why this sucks. I do in the Predator video as well, but it's like, leave those bits out. Those pesky... What is it in that pesky context off? Remember to turn off that pesky context. It was Matt, a piece of shit, is apparently in all of the episodes that feature the fucking Falcon. I didn't even think you could ruin a ship but you found a way, Disney. You fucking found... I stand by that statement. How the hell do you ruin a ship? But it's like, you did it. All it has to do is move people around and you fucked it. Rarely with any real thrust to his arguments. Hey, Jack, what does it mean to have thrust to your argument? Also, what direction is the thrust going in? That's very important. What position? Is it a downward thrust? This is a downward thrust, yeah. I like it. I like it. His total bloke involved. Arnold would approve of Jack's videos. It's apparently in all of the episodes that feature the fucking Falcon. I didn't even think you could ruin a ship but you found a way, Disney. You fucking found a way. Rarely with any real thrust to his arguments. Rarely elaborated on as he sacrifices depth for breadth. And as you hurt towards the conclusion after a two to five... I don't think he does. Yeah, he's saying I do. That's it. I... that's an interesting opinion you have there. I think people on the team, if you will, for this actually consider that criticism where they just go... Like for example, all Wolfe's videos are a blue screens and noise. I've said it. So that's criticism now. And Wolfe's just like, that's just nothing in relation to my stuff. And it's like, yeah, but it's criticism though. So, yeah, fucked. Five hour long rant. You know little more about the film than what happens in it. Well, this is just a 53 minute rant. And I actually argue there's a bit of a ramble on Eric's part because he does seem... I think he may have had a script and then he's sort of going off script, collectively. Yeah, just man, just sit in front of your webcam and just talk. With a few errors. And whether... Oh, wait, sorry. Let's go back a bit. Really elaborated on as he sacrifices depth for breadth. And as you hurt towards the conclusion after a two to five hour long rant, you know little more about the film than what happens in it with a few errors. And whether some guy on the internet personally enjoyed it. How... what else is there that wouldn't come under those two things? Because a theme would happen in the film. So what? The errors would also happen in the film. What happens in the film and what the guy thought of it? It's like, what statement can you make about a movie in a review that wouldn't come under one of those two things? Yeah, name a movie reviewer who doesn't do that? I... Moola and his fag... Because if he's talking about like, what I drew from The Last Jedi was that in my life, you know, I've failed several times and I realized that those failures are precisely what brought me to my success. And so I really am, you know, I really connect with The Last Jedi's lesson. I'd be like, okay, and that's fine. And that's in the movie. So he's still talking about what is in the movie and then what he got from it. You know, so I don't understand it. Like, because he's... They're always arguing for depth meaning stuff like talking about themes, which I do. So I don't even know why they're saying that, but whatever. Fans, of course, objecting to this assessment as they believe he digs into something more, it might be a problem for someone else, right? But it's a problem in their subjective lens. It doesn't make it objective that... Not talking about people. It is a problem factually. Some defenders of Moola's style of analysis. See, so... What was wrong with that? Yeah. So Jax accused me of... He's gonna have one point in this video, but I think you may have done it already. Where I'll just state a thing, but I don't actually explore why it's bad and he's just done it there for me. Yeah, that's... So keep that in mind, folks. I had to ask, yeah. Oh, how did I know that he was going to bring Sargon up? I just knew it. Objective fact. Not talking about people. It is a problem factually. Some defenders of Moola's style of analysis assert that Moola... That's not... By the way, that quote, that's not to say that any objective flaw is a factual flaw. It's the specific one we were discussing in that conversation, which, again, context that pesky fucker is getting in the way, but sorry, there's a bit more than just that quote. Just don't include it. Use multiple lenses of critical analysis to see the work from as many sides as possible. And that's what justifies this issue on that. So Sargon did make a video in defense of me, and I actually quite liked a lot of it. There's one point where Sargon says that Moola is trying to reach an objective take by exploring all takes and figuring out what each of the individual ones are lacking and then sort of combine them into a cohesive whole. As much as I appreciate trying to make sense of it, instead of just fucking strawmaning me, like a lot of people like to do, I don't do that. I'm just trying... My criteria is just what's there, what's provable. And they even say this in the video at one point that that's kind of what I'm going for. And when you come to provable, there are things that I will miss. There's always going to be things I'll miss because I'm human. And then people will be like, aha, so it's subjective. And they'll be like, no, that means I made a mistake for fuck's sake. So you could call that a will-view thing or whatever. But yeah, I don't come at the last Jedi from the mind of every race, every sexuality, every political position, every walk of life, even different species. I don't even know that it's possible to do that. And I don't claim to try to do that. So Sargon may have the wrong impression. He'd be interested to maybe see what he thinks about my sort of response to that. Regardless... Someone said, bring V on, then kick V. Regardless, unfortunately for Jack, he's going to take this argument and argue against it, but it's never something I've said. So... Yeah, but it's so easy to just... Yeah, like if just find someone, like if I just find... If I pay a guy to say, rags always loves murdering people on a Tuesday, or that he'd be like, rags, this is why you shouldn't... Tomorrow is the day, guys. Tomorrow is the day. Buckle up. It's going to be some killing. With style of analysis, assert that Mauler uses multiple lenses of critical analysis to see the work from as many sides as possible. And that's what justifies this format. Nope. You could maybe argue Mauler briefly touches on the feminist aspect of a work. I don't touch on the feminist aspects of a work. I don't think... I don't know why he's... Beth, I think I... I'm not saying I've never mentioned it. I'm saying to say that I touch on the feminist aspect is pretty generous to me. You know? I mean, you mentioned that some people have a feminist aspect of it. I'm more the one that mentions that. Yeah. So I know for a fact that I say that in DS2, you can't choose your gender from the get-go. You spawn as a man, and then you can choose your gender in about, I don't know, five minutes from there. And so I find it interesting that when HBomber Guy is summing up all the game, I'm surprised he doesn't have any issue with that as a feminist. That's all I said. Like, I didn't declare that I'm in favor or against feminism. I literally just pointed out that it's interesting as a feminist that you wouldn't have an issue with a game that's previously allowed you to choose what gender you spawn in with, that it's forcing you to be male immediately. And you could be like, well, that's just a nitpick. And I'd be like, no, sure. That's fine. That's fine. I found it interesting that it's not something that would bother him at all. So if someone said... What do you think? Oh, go ahead. I was just going to say that if someone said, like, see, you do explore it from the family, I'd be like, that's, I think, a bit of an over-exaggeration. But I mean, I wouldn't even consider it a criticism. I'd just be like, okay, if that's how you think I do it, fine. And if you're somebody who liked the idea of an apolitical review, I mean, you're pretty much that. I try to be. And he's not really criticizing you at this point. He's criticizing what Sargon said about you. He's saying that Sargon is wrong, not you. Well, and a lot of people are mentioning in the chat that, of course, they talk about Sargon because he's on the other side politically than them. Sorry, Sins. Jay, don't you think it's a little bit cheap to take a point that I don't hold and counter it? Yeah, it's cheap. But this is, yeah, I'm just saying, this is not an issue with... This is not your fault. None of this is like something, anything you've done wrong. The fact that someone has said, your work has this merit or this quality and it's not something that you even try to put in your work, really, is like, you know, that's not a problem that you have. That's something someone else said incorrectly. Why is this even in the video, you know? Yeah, like, how many people are really saying that I approach media criticism from every lens possible? Like, is there a lot of people saying that about my work? I've never heard that before myself. Hey. Mostly just to accuse female characters of being Mary Sue's, but... Characters. Okay, so let's, let's do that again. To see the work from as many sides as possible and that's what justifies this format. Nope. You could maybe argue more or briefly touches on the feminist aspect of a work, mostly just to accuse female characters of being Mary Sue's. So the implication there is that I believe that I need, I need to use feminism to excuse pointing out a character as a Mary Sue. I'm not entirely sure of what he thinks. What does Mary, Mary Sue, I mean, there are male equivalents to that. Well, I was about to say, so a Mary Sue has nothing intrinsically to do with feminism. It couldn't be the result of a feminist creating content, but it could happen. The origin of a Mary Sue is just someone writing a fan fiction. They insert themselves. Could be the result of a diversity hire. Yeah, like, just leveling with you, Jack. Mary Sue and feminists are not intrinsically connected. And I don't think I've ever said they are. That's a strange point. I mean, I mean, it's very easy to argue the flip side and say that a Mary Sue would make a feminist upset because it's a very poorly constructed character that makes females look bad on screen. To see the one. Yeah, a lot of people obviously think Gary Stu, but people even refer to some male characters as Mary Sue's, as if to say a Mary Sue isn't tied specifically to a female. But there's this discussion to be had about that. Either way, certain people believe Mary Sue can be applied to a man. And if not, it'd be called a Gary Stu anyway. I would recommend the Trope Talks video on Mary Sue's. I think it covers the topic really well. But I can't remember. Some said Ryan Gosling. The channel is Overly Sarcastic Productions. If you want an overview of what a Mary Sue is, I would recommend that video. By the way, it's ironic that we're spending so much time with context and explaining all the, how these points are bullshit. And the biggest response we'll get to this is too long. Well, if I make a video about words are bad and you use words to counter me, then ha. Long man bad. That's right. Yeah, that was right. Long man. Work from as many sides as possible. And that's what justifies this format. Nope. You could maybe argue more of briefly touches on the feminist aspect of a work. You can accuse me of that. Mostly just to accuse female characters of being Mary Sue's. But for much else, psychoanalysis, post-colonialism. What the fuck? No, I don't look at the last Jedi through post-colonialism. You're right. What about queer theory? Queer theory. That's the important one. Moxism. Why would you call it queer theory? You just call it query and save time. That's true. I'm a fan of that. This is why we have Jay here. You should tell that to just right, see if he's like, wow. The problem is we spend more time discussing the way that he saves us time than time was actually saved. But I don't think we really need to focus. Post-colonialism. What? If you don't know what it is, Wolf, that's your fault. I know what it is. I want to know how exactly he thinks that applies to anything that we do or say. Well, his point is that I don't look at the movie through that lens. And I think there's something to say. So therefore I don't look at it through all lenses, which is not a position I hold anyway, but. But instead of going through, like there could be a discussion there about what Sargon said about looking at a movie through how do we stay, you know, true to those particular lenses if we don't necessarily agree with them? How do we make sure our views on those issues aren't necessarily skewed? But he just says nope and that's kind of it. And he lists examples of the lenses, but he doesn't really give us any information on how that might change the way it's seen as portrayed or how it might make a scene better or how the lens that maybe a director sees the world through could influence the final product. None of that stuff is discussed. Maybe he does later, I guess we'll see. Yeah, that's true. Psychoanalysis, post-colonialism, queer theory, Marxism. Marvel and Mueller spending three minutes of his last-genre analysis saying, I don't like to get political, but film thinks war profiteering bad and child slavery bad. And that is bad because- What? Disney- Yeah, that's nowhere near what you said. Oh, wow. So we're going to go on an adventure, folks. Hooray. We're going to check out my part of the video that he's referencing because he's just summed up my portion on Canto Byte as child slavery bad, animal cruelty bad, and this is bad because Disney- Sorry, what was this whole thing? Makes money. Disney makes money. There you go. So we're going to rush over to my video and I apologize for this, but we're going to be watching five minutes of my video. Somebody- That sounds too long. It is long. I know that that's too. Going dramatically far. So 6.15. God, can't you summarize this in under five minutes? Is a planet- You're right. That's a salgon quote. I would really prefer to view these five minutes through a post-colonial lens. We're going to keep in mind what Jack has said and we're also going to keep in mind that Eric said this is part of the section of I speak so much, yet I say so little. So here comes a five-minute section, I suppose. It filled with massive over-the-top security, likely because the place makes a massive amount of money. This means that all those animals that her and Finn have released will be captured and put back to work. This is obvious as what else would happen when that many centuries are all chasing the targets when they've been shown to have weaponry. They aren't shooting because they're trying to catch the animals and it's only a matter of time before they do, which is dumb in itself by the way as they cause more damage to the world and grief to the guests than I'm sure they're worth, but whatever. What Rosa said here is akin to a child's outlook on animal cruelty. Just free them all, let them return to their homes. It is very likely that they can't even survive in the wild, that they've been born and raised in captivity. None of this is handled with a lick of realism and considering this series is being looked at as children's content despite the incredibly deep themes and the violence. What is it that you think this teaches children exactly? Free animals, no matter what? Stop mean things from happening? If anything, this will simply give children the wrong ideas. Moving on to Finn, he is mostly along for Rosa's ride, but he does comment on the destruction of the casino as a sort of revenge against the people who run the planet, the rich war profiteers. Now this is actually childlike writing again. A glossed view of the world with the bad guy loses because we broke his toys. Finn accomplished the destruction of many areas of Canto Bites, scaring and injuring citizens or tourists while labeling them all as evils he trampled through without any specific information on any of them, only to claim the revenge he apparently sought. What a great character. An easy comparison for this is the sad realization that by destroying the- Sorry? That was one of my favorite parts of the series that he did. Oh, thank you. Death Star Luke may have killed many innocent stormtroopers conscripted for the sole reason that they were unlucky and didn't believe in the empire at all. Who knows? This is inevitably going to happen in order to stop this planet killer from completing its goals. Here though, he is just rampaging through a random city on a planet under the justification that he doesn't like the people who live here. What about the good people who are here? What about the slave labor that may be serving these people as you trample through? What about characters just like you and Rose who are here to find something? It is so interesting that a character who's established as unable to stomach human suffering is so blunderously carving through a complex filled with humans causing suffering. It is almost like there is no care taken with the characters in this film. But that's ridiculous, right? The carnage is apparently justified by some of these people having profited from war. Do you understand what that means? They didn't cause the war, they simply profited from it. They aren't even strictly evil on the scale. They're just opportunists. Besides that, as a disgruntled sanitation worker for the first order, Finn should know well and good that when something is damaged in the Star Killer base or the supremacy, the mess is not cleaned up by Snoke or Hux or Kylo Ren. It would be sanitation, engineering, plumbing or a specific section of people that work. Perhaps a slave group. Real people like Finn clean up the mess is that he is making right now and he should know this. Not to mention that this may have no real effect on the rich, horrible people of the world because they have insurance. But what does that matter? We know they have slave labor so they're just going to use them thanks to Finn there's going to be months and months of whipping and ridicule also that he could feel better about these evil men who rule this world. People feel like this whole sequence was a moment for Finn to grow and learn in relation to the evils in the world while in reality it was an embarrassing cavalcade of virtues being sprayed across a disconnected and clumsily constructed plotline. Finn's new and idiotic attitude is the similar kind of attitude that many misguided activists have in our world today. Freeing animals only to scare or hurt them or ultimately return them to where they were found or they will destroy property in the name of hurting the one who's at the top of the chain when in reality they only hurt the workers who fix it all. This whole mess on Canto Bight is the foreground to the theme of war profiteers getting richer and richer while the young defenseless children of the world are used as free labor for the planet the rich enjoy. This is so unbelievably on the nose, it's embarrassing. Why in Star Wars would they be using child labor instead of droids when the droids would be cheaper, stronger, faster, and far more subservient? This isn't Tatooine, a distant desert planet filled with those who multiply out of poverty and engage in slavery from birth as a form of shelter and living. But at least Tatooine did have droids too. They were just low quality. This is a luxury casino planet filled with the galaxy's richest men and monsters. Why would they even bother with anything but the finest, most efficient technology? I know why. Ryan Johnson wanted you to know that these were very evil people. Oh my god, Mark's poor face. Look at him. He looks like he's about to strangle Ryan. Children, the heart coming before the mind. And what a surprise! Look who's scraping up that filth! Is it a human child? I wish! So... Oh wait, just 90 seconds. Or Canto Byte screams of a child's view of the world and its injustices. The simplistic look at everything wrong with the world and why we should all change our behavior. So... That's my take on Canto Byte as a finisher, right? So that was, like I said, five minutes. I said... The animals are going to be captured and put back. Choosing to not shoot the animals is also interesting because they're probably dealing more damage than they're worth. So that's another weird thing. Very likely they can't survive out of being captured. All of it was made worse when looking at it as a message for children because it's so overt and contradictory. And that's a point of irony because people will claim that it's just for kids. You know, the thing. But also claim that it has incredibly deep themes that typically kids wouldn't even understand. Finn comments on the casino damage as, like, good? Because, you know, these are the bad guys despite having no idea if these people are even evil. And that's, like, intrinsic to the origin of his character. So contradiction again. Going up with, um... Even if selling weapons to a wall was true and bad, it doesn't make them reprehensible because the film itself tells us that they sell to the good guys too. So how do you even justify that? And on top of it, um, kind of, I find because of insurance, you wouldn't even consider that. Droids are cheaper than child labor. Faster than child labor. They're more subservient than child labor, like I said. And who knows what kind of punishment the slaves are gonna get because of this because they helped them. All of it is a fucking mess, right? So they were all on my points and that was over five minutes. So Eric says, like, I say nothing despite saying a lot. And, um, Jack summed this up with what you heard. I don't even, like, there is a comment in here somewhere. I think I comment on the irony of, um, Disney telling us that the 1% of the problem when... They're a huge, massive, multi-million-dollar corporation with more money than God. It's, it's actually insane. And, like, he's got a response to that here. I hope I can pause it to be, like... Mostly just to accuse female characters of being their soos. But for much else... Jay? Psycho. Yes. What am I looking at? Thrump. Thrump. Thrump? Hashtag Thrump, everyone. Analysis. Post-colonialism. Queer theory. Marxism. Marvel and Mueller spending three minutes of his last Jedi analysis saying, I don't like to get political, but film thinks war profiteering bad and child slavery bad. And that is bad because Disney makes... So can you see this picture? We should improve society. Yet you participate in society. Curious, I am very intelligent. So he thinks that this is equivalent to me saying Disney are contradictive to claim that capitalism bad when they're the biggest profiteers from capitalism. The reason this is not the same thing, Jack, this is a false equivalency, is because that is a peasant potentially working hard to survive and is thus involved in the society just like all of us are. So criticizing society would be the same, but Disney are at the peak as a result of the system in the society. So for them to tell us that we should stop this system, it's just like, what the fuck? You guys don't donate the majority of your money to other people who are struggling. Yeah, it's like a, how do you do, fellow kids, but for a corporation? They're trying to fool us into something that they're not. It reminds me of when YouTube Rewind 2018, they had that section to stop and talk about all of those like essentially hot political issues that YouTube, like YouTube's actual actions go against. Like they spoke about LGBT issues, I believe when they systematically demonetize videos about LGBT issues. It's like, you know, actions speak well. Not to mention. I would have, I would say that is equivalent. Not to mention their aggressive advertising of what will happen if Article 13 goes through and they're like, all videos will be blank. And then it's like, you delete channels, YouTube. You're doing this already. And if it was justified, or at least they provided a justification to be okay, but they like arbitrarily fucking slash channels. No consistency because channels who commit the same sins stay up. It's the same with Patreon. My dream, what I mean is I love YouTube. Please don't, I worship the YouTube algorithm. YouTube is great, finally. I love YouTube too. It's great. It's amazing. I have no problems with the whatsoever over there. It's a flawless platform. I love it. It's great. I hope nothing changes. I really like Susan. She's my favorite. She's my favorite person, whoever personed. So yeah, the shit that's presented in the film flies in the face of Disney as a company and their choices as a company. Because let's be honest, Disney are not known for giving away 70% of their fucking earnings. I'm pretty sure they're worth like $100 billion or something. So they're the ones that can make a serious impact if they actually consider this a societal issue. And yet, they're just telling us that they think it should be. If I consider that a contradiction versus the peasant who is attempting to survive and this little twat says, yet you participate in society, not the same thing. But I appreciate the joke, I guess. So yeah, just another standard straw man. It's like, Moeller thinks that it's bad that they have these politics because Disney makes money. And it's just like, yeah, that's a great way to summarize the whole sequence, which I think you guys would agree, right? It's more, way more focused on the actual consistencies in the film. I don't actually comment on, I don't even, I can't remember if I say it in the video, but my intention is not to confirm whether or not child slavery is a bad thing. Obviously, I personally think it's a bad thing, but I'm not interested if that's... It's about how it's executed. If you tell me child slavery is bad and the whole film is about how beneficial child slavery is, I'd be like, seems a bit at odds with yourself there, Movie. How many child slaves do you have? 17, but that's one down from last year, so. It depends on the dates you're constantly buying and selling new ones, so the number of changes a little bit over time. It depends how you define child. It depends on how you define slave. Define, define. Define, define, define. Anyway, the point is, this video is a joke so far, and it's demonstrably untrue. Oh, they've changed their requirements. Rags can be on, but he has to be muted the whole time. Oh, well, that's a distinction without a difference, isn't it? I mean, I was gonna say, like, I wish I could agree, but the idea is that if Rags has something important to say, then you should be allowed to say it. What is it? Because Rags could just be in the audience at that point. If he's not allowed to say anything, but he's allowed to be in the call, that just makes it so that he's able to hear the conversation a couple of seconds before everyone else. Like, what difference does that make? Why are you Dutch cowards? That's literally like saying, I'm going to kill you, and then someone, I don't want you to kill me. Okay, that's fine. You don't, I won't kill you. So long as you kill yourself, I think that solves everything. So I have a, so if the video, if it's about who's the video, who the video is about, does that mean Sargon can be in the call? I guess Dan Olson and Lindsay Ale should be here too. Let's just literally invite everyone who's ever done anything. I guess I won't be there then, but still. Just, I mean, that's just pathetic to me. You two are pathetic. You're subhuman, honestly. They're going to love that comment. Oh yeah. That'll be fucking sound clip. Quote me on it. I think you're both subhuman. That's going to be their entire takeaway from the stream, is they're going to take that quote and so present that as your entire argument against what they've said. Congratulations, Wolf. They're going to take you out of contact. Well, they'll misrepresent your position. That's what that'll be. Yeah. Oh well. There'll be no reason for you to have said that. He cares about the facts. He said it. I was going to say, this whole stream is about how they don't do that anyway. So why would that be a surprise? Like, why would I care enough to even give them the benefit of the doubt for anything? Why would I care enough to be nice to them when they are so... I mean, they cross that line almost immediately. I really don't care what they have to say because we can see what they say is just... It's just like... Like you're just terrible. I can't... I haven't seen this level of just disingenuous bad faith arguments possibly ever. I mean, this is like such a low bar. I actually... I like want to hug Quentin and be like, you're at least not as bad as these two. At least you're not as bad as Eric Jackson in this one. You're like third worst. Something I think that's with highlighting, by the way, is... You know that whole sequence for like five minutes? You can argue I am doing a plot summary of Canto Byte or something like that. I'm saying you can. I'm saying it would be inaccurate. Wait, is that within the part they call your plot summary? No, I'm not suggesting... I'm not suggesting they've explicitly said that, but Eric did say that the first... Was it four or something hours? Is essentially just excruciatingly explaining the plot and what I just showed you is in that four hours. Yeah, that's what I was asking. So if they do think that it's plot summary and like this sounds so condescending, but guys, if I'm still talking about Canto... If I'm talking about Canto Byte and I explain one reason why I don't like Canto Byte and then your reaction is, okay, move on. Then I go, here's the second reason and then they're like, oh, he's still on Canto Byte. Here's the third reason until they hit five minutes and I've done the 15 reasons or 10 or whatever. And then they're like, he just cannot move on from Canto Byte. This is insane. I would be like, guys, you know, that's not... That's not how the video is working. Just because I'm still on the topic of Canto Byte does not mean I have not moved on from the previous point. I don't know how else to say that. Yeah, just... If they're counting this as plot summary that is incredibly reductive and... I mean, I guess he does say it's plot summary with a guy telling you why he doesn't like it. I guess that technically is what it is. There is... But I didn't say... When I say that Finn's character is being contradicted, I could like that for all someone knows, you know? I could also dislike it. I didn't even tell you if I liked it or not. That's true. But that comes into the subjective-objective argument, which I still don't necessarily know exactly how they stand on that. Anyway... Makes money. Let's go back a little bit. Marvel is a... Marvel at Moorla's... It's great because it's darker than it was when we started. Spending three minutes of his last Jedi analysis saying, I don't like to get political, but film thinks war profiteering bad and child slavery bad. And that is bad because... Disney makes money. As it goes, Moorla is almost scared to bring up any wider context from which to view a film. You don't get to call anyone else scared when you can't even come to a call where there's three people in it. This is a point with evidence. His point is that I'm scared to bring up a wider context and he's going to play a clip for it. This is interesting to me. Disney makes money. As it goes, Moorla is almost scared to bring up any wider context from which to view a film. He gets rather flustered when she implies that the artifacts were discovered and corrects her. These things were not paid for by this woman's ancestors. They were stolen just like they stole everything else. The only lens Moorla... So, he thinks that that's me saying I'm too scared to present my perspective on whether or not Killmonger is right, I suppose in that he's saying that white people have stolen everything they have that's from artifacts and stuff. Precisely the point of my channel. It doesn't matter if I think he's right or wrong. I am saying with that clip it is really awkward to shove that into your character, into your movie. It's almost like you're trying to make some kind of meta commentary. I'm not 100% sure of what the film wants to do with that. There's a lot of those lines. It's really awkward to listen to as someone who would find it... It's to explain this to you, Jack. It's like watching someone review a film and they go on a Trump rant randomly. It's you just you're like, okay, that just happened. So when I have a character being like white people fucking stole everything that they got, I'm like, okay, moving on. So it's not about me being scared to address these things, whether or not he's accurate is irrelevant. It's really awkward to hear from the film because it's supposed to be a fucking movie. Like, are they trying to say that you're not getting political enough in your videos? Possibly. Well, you know, if he was political in the opposite direction. Yeah, it's good to be political in my direction, but don't be political in the way I don't like. Yeah, there's so many ways to go about this, but apparently I'm scared to go into a wider lens or something like that. I think that's what he said, which again, it's just like, sure, Jack, whatever you say, man. That's absurd. It's like, all right. These things were not paid for by this woman's ancestors. They were stolen just like they stole everything else. The only lens smaller really cares. And that's a recurring joke, by the way, because there's a lot of lines. The colonists colonizer. That's the one, right? That's another thing that happens in a movie that's just like, oh, okay. Just weird considering Wakanda was never colonized. It doesn't even make sense in universe. Women's ancestors, they were stolen just like they saw the, you know, the rest of that would have been colonized places near Wakanda, surely. Are you're suggesting that she would be able to draw that Ross is American and the original Americans would have colonized the Native Americans? But the original Wakandan's... What? I'm just excited for him to say Wakanda because I don't think he said... We're nearly there, are we? Oh, it's Infinity War first, isn't it? No, no, this is the... Oh, fuck, I can't remember. Apparently Jack is waiting for me to explain how my subhuman joke doesn't make me mad. Wait, you don't make me mad. You don't seem mad. Well, I mean, I'm... Is he asking for you to justify the claim or... I don't know. I don't know if... I mean, I'll give... I don't really want to give an answer to that. It doesn't even matter if you're mad or not. I mean, honestly, I've gotten done. He has huge issues with any of the insults or whatever you use. Oh, grow up. Well, no, what I was going to get at is like, Jack is like, you've got to understand fundamentally, Wolf thinks you've done something much, much worse, so it doesn't really matter to him. I don't care about insults, Jack, because I'm an adult. I stopped caring about insults back in the eighth grade. What's his Twitter handle? I haven't... I haven't got, um... Jack's saint, I think. Or lacking saint? At stupid cunt. You can't say that. That's an insult and that makes people feel bad. Uh-oh. I'll give his all, get... You know, I don't care if you say insults, because the first time that I ever spoke to Mahler, he insulted me and that's how we became friends. I don't care about insults. I care when you lie about people, when you are very disingenuous about them, you misrepresent them and take them out of context. That is much worse. That is infinitely worse than calling someone stupid or subhuman or retard. Grow up. You would apply the exact same criticism back to you. You'd say you need to grow up and stop using those insults. Oh, come on. It's a word. Well, this is the thing. This would be the... It would get to a discussion about ethics and morals and they're not gonna win because they've done something much worse. Nobody's gonna say that calling you stupid is worse than misrepresenting you to an audience. It's like... Hey, Jack. It's way more damaging. Jack. Jack, what's worse? Insulting someone or lying about someone? Yeah. I would think everyone over 12 would probably say that it's worse to lie about somebody because that's a substantive thing. God, I want to put them in one of those Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 lobbies where all the eight-year-old British kids are swearing at them. I want to see how long it takes for them to break down and start crying. Are you guys solving? I just want to say, the fact that you have insulted them is just... It feels like they're using it as a way to weasel out of responding to the arguments you've made. Of course, because they don't actually have an argument. They're saying mean things about us. Why should we listen to the things they're saying? You don't have to listen to the insult. You can, however, you can listen to the proof that we've demonstrated live that the things that you say are misrepresentations of positions. You could respond to that in some way. But I'm not going to hold my breath on that. So, let's, uh, we'll cut back in. Contacts from which to view a film. He gets rather flustered when she implies that the artifacts were discovered and corrects her. These things were not paid for by this woman's ancestors. They were stolen just like they stole everything else. The only lens Mauler really cares to explore is his own, what he calls the objective analysis. I would say it's two lenses, objective, and then my own personal lens. And I'm not sure that you can consider an objective lens, a lens, but whatever. I think lens in this scenario is kind of a way of seeing things or how you look at something. I guess. Yeah. Um, and I've stood by this for a while. Anyone is capable of being objective and it's not beholden to anyone. As in someone claiming something is objective doesn't mean it's specifically absolutely objective. It depends on what they've said, but everyone is capable of making objective statements. And that again could be a difference in how we approach quote unquote, world views. But you can do it. Or the robot. It's kind of like structuralism, except Mauler just takes it on assumption that whatever he observes as bad is fact here. When he mentions the robot, if nobody watched that stream, I don't think they'd really know what he'd be talking about here. Yeah. Unfortunately, I regret using the robot as an example, because so many people who disagree with me have misused what I intended for it. The purpose of the robot was to try and help just right understand the concept of being objective. So as far as he's concerned, right, a human cannot make an objective claim or opinion, let's say. So what I tried to say to him was you're saying it's by them being human intrinsically prevents it. So let's create a non human entity that can respond to these questions. So that when they come out with an answer and you say, okay, that is an objective opinion because that person is not human. And I'm like, so what if I said that exact same thing as he did? That was going to be the conclusion. It's like thinking of hypothetical people to criticize your work in order to improve it. Yeah. You would use the hypothetical robot to make sure that a story was airtight or that things were consistent. And instead of understanding that, people like Jack, Eric and whoever else have taken it as Mauler thinks that the robot represents a formula for judging film and that we all put the film through the robot and it's not Mauler when Mauler doesn't realize that the robot was him all along. And I'm like, that's not even close to what the purpose of that was. But nice try. You confused. That's my conclusion of this video really. I just want to say that out of everyone that we have ever talked to or discussed or criticized, these two are by far and away the worst. I'm getting that vibe. We're not even a third of the way through. Worse than movie Bob, worse than downward thrust, worse than Patrick, worse than Cinema Sins, worse than Major Lee, worse than Shinobi, worse than Joseph Anderson, worse than that guy on Discord. Oh, not him. I'd say that better than me. I was going to say, it's above J level. Come on. Well, you're an ally now. We don't need to include you. Just drawing back a little bit. Like, man, this makes me almost like want to apologize to Patrick. Patrick, we're so sorry. We thought that you were that bad. You are. But we had no idea the scale that we would be dealing with into the future. And just like they still everything else. The only lens Mauler really cares to explore is his own, what he calls the objective analysis or the robot. It's kind of like structuralism, except Mauler just takes it on assumption that wherever he observes as bad is factually and objectively bad with no deeper consideration. Well, let's see if he has an example. We don't care about how we feel about these things. We're talking about what they are and what they do. And if not, the viewer can. Oh, that's not a very, that then helped. That was a great example. Wow, that doesn't have to do with what he said. Let's try that again. Let's give him another shot. Covered and corrects here. These things were not paid for by this woman's ancestors. They were stolen just like they stole everything else. The only lens Mauler really cares to explore is his own, what he calls the objective analysis or the robot. It's kind of like structuralism, except Mauler just takes it on assumption that wherever he... Let me look up structuralism. It's when you don't like structures. Be careful. They're going to tweet about how you don't know what that is off the top. Before your entire organism valid. Yeah, so structuralism, a method of interpretation and analysis of aspects of human cognition, behavior, culture and experience that focuses on relationships of contrast between elements in a conceptual system that reflects patterns underlying a superficial diversity. The doctrine that structure is more important than function. Diversity has come full circle. I mean he didn't elaborate on it, so I guess it's irrelevant anyway. Active analysis or the robot. It's kind of like structuralism, except Mauler just takes it on assumption that whether he observes as bad is... Yeah, he just told us. I wonder how many people in his audience knew what he was referring to when he said structuralism. I would adjubate that it's like 10% at most. Yeah, it's like if I don't know what the word is, I'll google it and find out what the word is. I think even people who've heard of structuralism would still be like, I wonder exactly what he means by that? But he just skips over it. And you could be like, oh, Mauler, typical Mauler asking for the video to be longer and I'm like, I think it would have benefited the video to be a bit longer at that moment. He wants us to define words most people probably don't know. But that would be... He's going to tweet about that. No. The fact that you just said that. Any snipe is possible. I'm the only one he hasn't sniped specifically yet on Twitter. I think that is a pretty clear conclusion that I'm the best. You're the objective one. Yes. Now they're going to snipe at you. By the way, Jack, right, I'm reading through your Twitter, right. And it's fine for you to disagree. Of course, you're going to disagree with someone criticizing you. That's only natural. But it doesn't seem like you're really... Doesn't seem like you're really getting the points that are trying to be put across. It's my impression of what you're tweeting. Wow, Jack, not understanding something. You're just kind of sniping at random little bits without looking at the overall arguments being made. It's... People are only going to see this as an argument if they already agree with you. I don't have anything to add to that. So let's... Yeah. I mean, the point I'm making about structuralism is that it's fine to... When you use words like that, it just generally helps your point if you let us know what it is. You know, I wouldn't assume that people knew what structuralism is. Yeah, it would be nice to encase your sort of using it for a specific purpose. You could at least let us know what it is. If you ask Jack, what do you mean by structuralism? Then he explains a thing that lost just about a paragraph. I'd be like, do you mind putting that in the script, that paragraph, instead of saying it's like structuralism? Or just have it. Again, I don't know. He's not going to listen to me if I suggest he makes the video longer because that's like acid to him. He should be more... He should be more erudite. Someone said, Jay is like Jar Jar Binks. Everyone thinks it's the worst addition, but he's actually behind it all. He does that on the show. No, please don't say JayJay Binks. Don't do that. JayJay Binks. JayJay Binks. JayJay Binks. So sorry, Jay. Why don't I try to discourage him? Dude, that art is going to come. You've got your face on screen. Someone's making you into JayJay Binks. They're just going to have your face, but with those weird eyes and the ears. Oh, poking out the top. If someone does do that, it is becoming avatar. Beowyn. Beowyn, I know you're in the chat. JayJay is the key to all of this. And they move his eyes to the top of his head. This is literally more offensive to me than any playground insult that could have been thrown at me. Oh, I'm just looking out for Beowyn. I know that he's going to hop right on this. But it's kind of like structuralism, except Moola just takes it on assumption that whatever he observes as- God, this fan art is going to- I don't actually, yeah, I don't know enough about structuralism to be like, Oh, so you have to know what it is. You have to have heard of it and you have to understand it and you have to contrast that with something else. It's like, I don't- most people probably not- I find it amusing that he says it takes it on assumption that what I've, blah, blah, blah, is objective. And I'd be like, okay, so the system is, I look at the scene and I detect the things that are in the scene. I present them to an audience. The audience say, yeah, that was in the scene. And the conclusion is completely coherent. Or someone goes, but you missed the red arm thing in TFA. And then I look at that. I run the information again. I'm like, fuck, I was wrong. Or, yep, that criticism stands the test of time, which the majority of the stuff in my TLJ stuff does. The idea that I pick a movie when you're telling me that I missed the fucking fact that there's a red arm as the biggest criticism, like, breakdown of my TLJ. Because he doesn't talk about the TLJ critique again. It's only Eric, I think, that talks about it now. It blows my mind how much self-awareness you do not have. Someone said, if somebody did explain structuralism to you, then you'd probably just ignore it as being silly and political. No? Okay. I will say. That's odd, but no. I don't think it's silly. I just never heard of it. Lisa won a rhino milk. Jack, your Twitter avatar is great. Change your content and keep that avatar. I agree. I like his Twitter avatar. Analysis or the robot. It's kind of like structuralism, except Moeller just takes it on assumption that whatever he observes as bad is factually and objectively bad with no deeper consideration. We don't care about how we feel about these things. We're talking about what they are and what they do. That example specifically goes against this point. That's what we're saying here, I think. He's removing his feelings from the equation. He's trying to find the truth, essentially. Yeah, he says, oh, Moeller only cares about what he feels, and then plays a clip of Moeller saying, I don't actually care about how I feel. That is interesting. Yeah. And is that the best example he could find to prove this? I think he thinks that that clip proves that I'm delusional. Well, as if to say what I've just said isn't even possible to talk about it without my feelings or whatever. Maybe. I'm giving you as much benefit of the doubt as I can at this point. The other interesting sort of aspect is that, I don't know, the idea that I can be wrong is something that I often and loudly proclaim, but there's no element of that here that he's letting in. Because there's this thing that goes around that objective means 100% undeniably correct. And so if you conflate that impression with what I'm saying, you'll get I hate everything's impression of me, where he was like fucking hell, it's really childish and pretentious and condescending to assume that you've got the best take on a thing. And then I'm like, I hate everything. Where did you even get this from? And he's like, well, I haven't seen any videos. And I was like, so where did you get it from? He's like, I couldn't. It's like, oh, that makes sense. How does it feel knowing that there are people out there who actually exist whose entire impression of you is what Quentin has said about you? Is it not a testament to why we have to respond to these Tizmy videos? I mean, it is. But still, oh, don't don't put Georgia milk in the chat. You can't give them, you can't, like, tell them. Don't do it. Squeeze the titties. I tried to I tried to save them from looking up xenomorphs and Google images. And I did that. I know I did that. And it I did not find anything bad until like I found something slightly dodgy and I was incredibly disappointed by how I'm going to go to Xenomorph images. Did you spell Xenomorph correctly? Probably not. But I know, of course I did because if I didn't, Google would have picked up on it. I mean, there's none really. There's Batman, Batman, Batman fighting a Xenomorph. H.R. Geiger pictures. I don't think that's what I was paying attention for. We don't care about how we feel about these things. We're talking about what they are and what they do. And if not, that the viewer can immediately distinguish between his opinions and his objective analysis. Between his opinions and his objective analysis. It's all opinions. Some of them are objective. Went over this in the TFA video. He even knows how I define all these words. And he's like not not approaching this honestly. He's not like, okay, some more refers to this as objective. This is that. And this is why he's wrong because of these contradictions and then moves on. He's just immediately like that more sees himself as making objective criticism versus opinions. You know, because it obviously leads into the idea that the audience would be like, this is fucking all his opinion. You're like, I don't know. It would have been nice if you threw that in because I know he's seen the video. And if not, that the viewer can immediately distinguish between his opinions and his objective analysis. But why am I chattering on when there's cases to study? Let's have a look at Infinity War. So we got length of video, 52 minutes, time spent summarizing Infinity War, 36 minutes, time spent summarizing previous Marvel films, 10 minutes, time spent drawing actual conclusions about Infinity War, six minutes. And then he's got comments that are basically saying, wow, this is just a plot summary. This is all just a plot summary, plot summary, plot summary. So this is probably a good time to sort of talk about the whole idea of plot summary. But let's let him talk a little bit, I guess. The reality is it's almost reasonable. All right, everyone, chat, go to Jay's channel and find Beowyn's some references of Jay's face so he knows what to draw and post them in, I guess this is in your Discord, Mahler. Is it EFAT podcast talk? No, no, no, no, post it to my Twitter, just at me on Twitter with it. I post them in the Discord after, usually. No, no, Beowyn's trying to get a reference for him. Oh. Is the EFAT podcast talk in your Discord? Oh, yeah, yeah, post it. Yeah, yeah, so everyone go to Jay's channel, like open up a new tab. I'll just change my avatar to a very real picture of me. A very real. Very real, actually real. Is it going to be very real, though? Yes. Are you sure? It's not going to be Thrump, is it? It's already Thrump. I wouldn't have to change it if it was Thrump. There's so many different styles of Thrump, though. Thrump. Thrump. You see, I was going to make a joke here, but I'm not sure what it's going to be yet. So just give me some time, and I will decide what it is I really am on the inside and make that my avatar. People just go to Jay's channel and put the, if you're in Mahler's Discord, then put the Jay pictures in the EFAT chat, and then Beowyn will make JJBinks. There you go. So I'm going to let this go away. Galadies is often disappointing. I mean, it's Infinity War. All these fans have probably already seen it. And no, those last... Wait, so if you can't make a video, if his fans have already seen it? I'm actually in favor of people having watched the movie before watching my videos on them anyway. So I don't... Were you saying a plot? I think you're saying a plot somewhere is unnecessary if you've already seen it. Yeah, which clearly me and him have different ideas on what the purpose of a plot summary is. Yeah, and there's a lot of people who like might be interested in knowing about the movie or who want to get caught up or maybe they just don't have the time or they're not that interested in going to the theater and all that. Remember scenes the way that they are. Exactly, the disappearing knife. Who noticed that the first time? What percentage of people? Yeah, so like it's just... Well, we're going to jump into that in a moment. It's Infinity War. All these fans have probably already seen it. And no, those last six minutes really don't go anywhere. There's not even an argument. What is this? Well, just so keep it in the air. The last six minutes don't go anywhere. Sad bits made him sad. By the way, the funny bits made him long. The sad bits made him sad. The funny bits made him long. And concludes that the film is objectively good because it's good at elaborating on stuff from previous Marvel film. Interestingly, I never say objectively in the video. I do in my critiques because I'm more serious about the analysis on that. A praise as commented on in the video, so I know you've seen it, is an assessment that doesn't cover any flaws, just like how a rage is an assessment that doesn't cover any positives, I suppose you could say. Jay, someone described what you looked like in the chat. This would be flattering, right? Yes, he looks like... Better than lacking saints, so don't worry. Well, he said he looks like Garth from Wayne's World, but born with cerebral palsy. That's a playground insult, which means I can't talk to you anymore. Wolf, you fucked it up. I've changed my avatar to a very real picture of me. This is what I... Don't insult my manager. This is what I feel like on the inside. What you feel like and what you are are two different things. Bounty Ball Studio said, Molly, you actually say that it was biased, so in the video, I say this video is biased. So just FYI for... It'll be relevant. All of this is going to be relevant. That's a mark of objective quality, by the way. Sucks if you wanted to enjoy it as its own movie. So the suggestion that Infinity War is keeping in consistency and developing the films that came before it is a mark of objective quality. And he said, Pity, if you wanted to just see it as its own movie, I don't know what he thinks that he's saying. What an absolute idiot goes into Infinity War without watching the other movies and thinking it's going to make sense. Who is this guy with the magic? My flatmate did that. I mean, come on, that is... That's retarded. He watched a Marvel summary of all the other movies first. I'm not sure why that's how he decided to do it. Showed it. I mean... Said he liked it. I mean, go and watch Captain America Winner and try and tell me it makes sense without watching the first Captain America or Iron Man 2 or Thor 3. The Civil War. Or literally any sequel to anything ever. People are just saying I'm objectively gay. Are you? Obviously. You are? There's three of us now. Are you serious? All three of you are bi. I'm the minority. Oh my gosh, so are you saying... Molly, you're the diversity hire. Wolf and Jay and Molly are gay. They're what? Yes. Wow, that's incredible. I can't believe I'm the only straight person in the room. This is kind of awkward that normally... I don't... This doesn't normally happen, but I had no idea this whole... Gay is implied. I had no idea this whole was what I heard there. Uh... Right, anyway. So yeah, let's just play this out because we're going to be jumping over to my Infinity War video and then comparing his statements. That's a mark of objective quality, by the way. Sucks if you wanted to enjoy it as its own movie. Now, as I said before, it's not the length of all this content in and of itself. Wait, sorry. I think we've probably gone far enough actually. So yeah, he summarized it as... Sad bits make me sad. The funny bits make me lull. And the film is objectively good because it's good at elaborating on stuff from previous Marvel movies. And the majority of it is either summarizing plot or summarizing plot from previous films. That's his take. I'm not necessarily suggesting at this very moment that it's an inaccurate take because it could be down to semantics. But we're going to check out... Six minutes of my video on Infinity War because he specified six minutes and it's going from the moment the plot summary ends. Um... Well, sorry. It's confusing to what he's referring to because the final section goes from 34 minutes onwards and he said six minutes so I don't exactly know what he's talking about. So I'm assuming it's the part... I don't know. Well, the section I'm showing you, it's going to be relevant in terms of what I assume he's trying to say. But yeah, this feels embarrassing sometimes because I'm just like showing my video but the point is to sort of explain why he's got a bad take on it not just to be like, guys watch my video. So here goes according to my timestamp it ends at 50-50 so it's the longest take. It's horrific. The powerful intelligent and heroic vision dies as a man. But perhaps the most impactful moment goes to a particularly powerful road being drawn to its close. Tony Stark has been through a lot in his series of films finding that he must balance his urge to protect Earth while living the life of a man. Well, what if I didn't? If you didn't, you mean when you finished? Leading him to protect his power, nuke his power, automate his power, submit his power, and finally to keep it as insurance to maintain a safety net if ever he or his loved ones were attacked but never in pursuit. Once he knows that this coming attack is what he's been waiting for for six years, what's sent him into anxiety attacks, what has consumed him since he saw his vision. He fights it to the point of leaving Earth's solar system and to the realization that Pepper, the person he loves the most, will never come between him and his will to prevent the suffering on a universal scale. This is very much the reflection of Thanos himself. With all that happening it's tough to realize that Tony has also dealt with the fact that his dad didn't love him as much as his work, his mother, or himself. Hell, he loved Cap more. Tony then sees the tape in Iron Man 2 that tells him his dad considered him his greatest achievement and his work was all intended to be left to him. His dad absolutely loved him. Tony couldn't share any real moments of closure or love with his father despite his desperation because they were killed by Hydra in attempt to steal his formula. This destroyed what made Tony so callous as a man in the first place. He needed to reevaluate the man he'd become. Moving on to Civil War, he treats Peter as his surrogate son, brings him in only to tell him to leave the second he is visibly hurt. Tony is looking to ignite that lost flame to get that relationship he's pined for his whole life, taking a positive step in that direction. In Homecoming, he keeps him in what is essentially a box despite Spider-Man's raw strength. He only wants him fighting low-life criminals because it's safe and he's a child. Mr. Parker, got a sec? Uh, I'm actually at school. No, you're not. Nice work in DC. My dad never really gave me a lot of support and I'm just trying to break the cycle of change. I'm kind of in the middle of something right now. Don't cut me off when I'm complimenting you. Great things are about that. What is that? Uh, I'm at band practice. That's odd. Happy told me he quit band six weeks ago. When Peter succeeds, he congratulates him, shares with him that he always wanted this kind of relationship with his father, that he's proud of what he's doing. But then to subvert Tony's security, he lies while trying to get involved in something Tony told him to stay away from. Peter wanted to go behind Tony's back and avoid what was essentially his protection, his care. I tell you to stay away from this. Instead, you hacked a multimillion dollar suit so you could sneak around behind my back doing the one thing I told you not to do. Those weapons were out there and I tried to tell you about it, but you didn't listen. None of this would have happened if you had just listened to me. Do you know that I was the only one who believed in you? Everyone else said I was crazy to recruit a 14 year old kid. He was furious and he took the gear back. Peter didn't deserve to have it if he wanted to thrill seek. But Peter saves the day and Iron Man's actual equipment from Vulture without a suit and reasserting that he only wants to do good. Lying was the way that he saw an opportunity for it and that's why he did it. Peter is reinstated and their relationship is strong once again. In Infinity War he decides to help because he can. Despite Iron Man's attempt to stop him, he even goes on what can be assumed as a one way trip because he wants to help people. What if somebody had died tonight? Different story, right? Because that's on you. And if you died, I feel like that's on me. I don't need that on my conscience. Tony wants him gone because the last thing he can bear is watching the kid get hurt. And so echoing the dream he has in the opening about a child with a woman he loves called Morgan taken away in a moment. Tony has to watch as Peter is slowly turned to ash in his arms begging to stay with him. All in a handful of seconds Tony loses one of his Avengers. He sees an innocent boy trying to save lives perish. But most importantly, he has that new and loving fatherly connection severed again. And there was nothing he could do to stop it. But it falls on him. Everything falls on Tony Stark's conscience as he was alive to stop it and he couldn't. Tony now loses the son he never had, the team he built to protect the world and the universe itself. Nothing he could build or prepare could prevent it after six years of it festering in his head his nightmare has broken through. Tony is frozen, unable to emote. He couldn't accept it before and now it's real. Everything has fallen apart. This is it. Pair all of this with Tom Holland's heart-wrenching performance selling a Peter Parker that has begun to feel death coming after watching all the people he just saved into ash. He begs Tony not to let him go again and again while failing to stand. Fading away in his arms. The scene was incredible. The film itself was a culmination of many running stories and characters dealing with very human grief and disturbing events reaching conclusions simultaneously that could rival any kind of television series finale. Covering strong patterns of family, love, sacrifice, and death. Characters giving in to the destruction of the universe to save the suffering of their brothers or sisters. Families coming to save the day only to be torn to shreds. Many characters having to sacrifice what they have come to love for the greater good and the death, the rampant cold death of so many beloved characters. The credits of this film play like an obituary. The audience was dead silent. A respectful end to a defeating story that still has more to come. This began with Iron Man but the original Avengers revealed the potential of this series. Those Avengers are a large portion of what remains for the heroes. Each dealing with their own issues while being set up to save the day. To pass over the Marvel mantle to the new heroes that have been lost. This isn't just a celebration of one film and its achievement to bring together so many other properties with weight behind them. This is a celebration of what has been accomplished with 10 years of character writing. 10 years of trying to create something that people could become enamored with. This spans completely different personality types, completely different plots, completely different settings, completely different worlds. Directors having their style blasted through with writing having space and quality to shine. Incredible performances combined with special effects to support this comic book world's realism. All of this took talent, time, effort and passion. Marvel should be fucking proud of themselves. Drama and comedy are a tough balance but throughout Marvel's series they have shown they're gonna shift it in one way or the other. With Infinity War being no exception. This is not an entirely morbid affair and it does benefit from that. I'm Peter by the way. Thoughts are strange. Oh, I'm using your made-up names. Then I am Spider-Man. You said we are going to open Wakanda to the rest of the world. This is not what I imagined. What did you imagine? The Olympics. Maybe even a Starbucks. Cool. So cool. We have Rabbit, Tree, Squidward, Blanket of Death, Kicknames and Take Ass. I am Steve Rogers, the baby of a pirate and an angel. What was she doing up there the whole time? I'm gonna blow that nutsack of a chin right off and who could forget? This film was an event. A triumph. Each of the crew and cast involved deserve a pat on the back for bringing a 10-year path to an incredible peak. I can't even tell you about all of the amazing details this film has, aside from what I've already discussed. Nor will I share any flaws. I don't know if you noticed, but this assessment is extremely biased in one specific direction to complement my other recent work. In- And there we go. Apparently Jack's getting a little bent out of shape by the fact that we just watched all that. Yeah, he's tweeted apparently that apparently not all of that was actual conclusions. Apparently he met six minutes spread across the whole video. Okay. That's what he's tweeted. Whatever, Jack. So what do you think the overall point? What is your take on what you've just seen? My take is that I'd like you to narrate audio, please. My I think the way you're trying to get across here is that I think you almost said it. I might just be re quoting you because you kind of say it yourself. This is a culmination of previously established events. And if you don't bring those events, you know, to the forefront, if you don't tell people, this is what's happened. This is what happened here. It took us 10 years to get here. And this is the result of all those things happening. This is the payoff for all the setup for all the development. So it is extremely important that all of that stuff that happened before is taken along with this. I don't know if anyone else wants to say anything because I was just going to say the idea, because that's just one of the sections, I do a character assessment for all of the strongest ones in the film from my perspective, which are Thanos, Thor, Iron Man, Vision. And not necessarily because of Vision's relationship with Wanda, but Vision as a character himself, what he's gone through from age of Ultron up to now. And they're all basically, you could argue that I am recanting plot from previous films. You can do that, but I think it's dishonest because there's a reason I'm presenting all of these specific events in a row because they tell a very strong story that's been what you could call in the subtext because of all of these events taking place and these over, because that conversation that Tony's having with Peter when he's on the barge, it's almost funny. But then when you actually listen to the words where he says my relationship with my dad, like he's going on about that, it's like that's extremely important, but it informs so much of the arc that's happening. So it's, if you've missed it, I am presenting it again and I'm explaining why it's important. That's the purpose of all of this. That's what the plot summary is doing. It's presenting this stuff to you and then I explain to you why it's important. That's always been my goal. I'm not saying I nail it. That is the purpose. Is this the twirling? This isn't the drawing. It's like a preview, though. Oh, my God. Oh, my Jesus, dear Lord. What an extra reason. Just imagine when Bayowin's done, it'll be even better. What a palette cleanser that was from what we just watched. Oh, wow, that is, that you are, your head is made out of ice cream. I think you add bits, which is good because you don't have any bones. Oh, yeah, it's true. Ice cream doesn't have bones. Neither do ears or eyes. Hey, you can't say that ice cream doesn't have bones. That's a generalization. Just because you have bones. Fine, fine, fine. I'll qualify that. No ice cream that I've ever eaten has had bones in it. And if I had ice cream, well, if there was a bone in my ice cream, I would be surprised. I would have questions. Have you ever had salmon? You like the bone in the ice cream. I know the way to the bone ice cream. Yeah, if you do not like it, then you know the way to the DCBY down the street. So, again, by the way, he said that it doesn't really have any overall point. I thought the point was very clear. It was explicit. Yeah, you pretty much say it verbatim. And to be honest, I haven't actually watched your unbridled praise video yet. That was the first time of me watching that. You're not a true fan. Oh, here's the thing. That was like, that made me... I'm sentimental deep down, and that made me get kind of misty eyed. Oh, that's a couple, but... No, like that really, like thinking about the characters, and that was really, really good. Everyone type... Everyone give rags a hug in the chat. Everyone press F for my happiness. I'm going to throw more. Hashtag happy rags. But no, I don't watch... There's a lot of videos I just don't watch. That's just one of them that I just haven't seen. But I am a sensitive soul, actually. I'm very sentimental. So am I. I would argue I am too, but most people think that I don't have a subjective side to my fucking videos, so... This objective robot made me teary eyed. Yeah, I mean... You should see me when I watch the Lord of the Rings trilogy back to back, or when I play Ori in the Blind Forest. It's like, oh man, I feel like I need to punch somebody to feel like a man again. Oh, man. That's toxic masculinity. Oh, feelings! Was I being ironic? Was I not? You decide. So, yeah, we'll kick on. I think I've gone and drawn it back enough so we can hear his points again now, having seen that context. He observes as bad, is factually and objectively bad, with no deeper consideration. We don't care about how we feel about these things, we're talking about what they are. It's made him sad. The funny bits have probably already seen it. And no, those last six minutes really don't go anywhere. He said last six minutes, so he's clearly not talking about a collective six minutes. That's true, actually. You can't... Sorry, Jack. You can't change the past. You can't change the story. Moira says the sad bits made him sad. You can't change the past. You can kill it if you have to. So, I once said he looks like a skinny T.J. Kirk. Oh, that's the song. I kind of see it, yeah. Yeah, if you make him... I can see that. Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. Yeah. Gemblond hair. That's insulting to T.J. I don't know, because it's like over the side of his glasses, and then he's got the bun thingy up in the back going on. Yeah, it's a strange hairdo. It is a strange hairdo. It is unusual. Don't sully T.J.'s name. He said that hair was unusual. I like his hair. Okay, I think it's a lot better than his argument. I think it's interesting. I think his hair is actually better than his arguments. Not that that's a high bar, but... My lack of hair is better than his argument. Yeah. Sorry. Did you do the creamy sheave? He just said, Hey, baller and wolf. I loved your Fallout 76 video. Hey, wolf. I like this one. Hey, baller and wolf. I loved your Fallout 76 video. Give us money, because you both deserve it for all the hard work. Love your boy, creamy sheave. Employee that I'm getting a decent one. Is he in on the meme at that point? Because that was in the global breed stream. I'm sure he's a great guy, and you guys really deserve it. So back to bald people. Wish I am. Matthew just said he made a list of times he interpreted your content. That's what the six minutes is referring to. I think at least. He said he just said the last six minutes. Like we'll play it again. It's infinity war. All these fans have probably already seen it. And no, those last six minutes really don't go anywhere. Moola says... And look what the visuals are. That's the shit I showed you guys, right? They don't go anywhere while you're talking about how the characters are affected across 10 different movies. Yeah. This is what I mean. I was proud of my infinity war video because it's a lot of passion. Because I am a MCU fanboy. Despite the fact that I will absolutely tear the shit into the ones I don't like. I literally despise Iron Man 3. But I get totally invested in it. Civil War is the peak for me. I was so invested in that final fight. And I'll try and make a video eventually to explain why I think it's so well put together. But this was something I took seriously at the infinity war video. I was like, I want to really make sure I explain why I think these are so amazing in terms of arcs that go over so much time. But yeah, this is his take on that. Probably already seen it. And no, those last six minutes really don't go anywhere. Moola says the sad bits made him sad. The funny bits made him lol. And concludes that the film is objectively good because it's good at elaborating on stuff from previous Marvel films. That's a mark of objective quality. I am so, so sorry, Jack. That that's what you took away from this. I am I am legit. I legitimately pity you. I'm so sorry that that's that's how you what you took away from that. I'm only sorry that he has such a dense fucking brain. I mean, holy shit. How do you come away from that last six minutes thinking that there was nothing there? I mean, I feel like I would have to like shoot myself in the head to be on par with Jack at this point. Not a rooster's ride. I'm sick of Jack and Eric. Let's just watch Molly's video. He by the way, you could have a meme break as its own movie. Wait, sorry. Right. And concludes that the film is objectively good because it's good at elaborating on stuff from previous Marvel films. That's a mark of objective quality, by the way. Sucks if you wanted to enjoy it as its own movie. Now, as I said before, it's not the length. Yeah, you can. I don't know what you're talking about, Jack. Like, yeah, you can. Consistency for a character is objectively good craftsmanship for storytelling. If you're not following this, like, whatever. Yeah, you can enjoy it regardless. Even if you even if we never agreed on the objective quality of alluding to previous things was that has no impact on whether or not you can enjoy it. Do you think that every person who went to see Infinity War who liked it had seen all of those movies beforehand? Plus that's even if he's right, that's not a counter to anything you've said. Exactly, they're two different things. Oh yeah, well, I liked it. Length of Moorler's content in and of itself that's the problem. In fact, maybe it isn't a problem if Moorler just wants to use this for that. It's up to him. It might be incredibly tedious for- It's generous of him to give you that. Yeah, at least Jack gave you the green light to use your own format. Thanks, Jack. I sure said thanks, Dad. Wanted to enjoy it as its own movie. Now, as I said before, it's not the length of Moorler's content in and of itself that's the problem. In fact, maybe it isn't a problem- Jack saved the farmer of straw men. It's like an old field of straw men. With these, I shall build my enemies. Problem, if Moorler just wants to use this for that, it's up to him. It might be incredibly tedious for me, but certainly many people may like it. Oh, many people may like it. It seems like he agrees with the whole subjective objective thing, doesn't he? Yeah, some people may like it. Some people is in like about 70,000 more subs than you have. Well, here's the thing. He can't say it, or else he'll lose all of his friends, or he'll turn into enemies now. You can't make this about numbers, especially since he has more subs than me. I like what? How big is his channel? I never heard of him before. 42K. Oh, how? I haven't seen his other videos, or Eric's, like I said. I don't know the quality of their channels. I'm just not impressed with what I've seen. Yeah, maybe they just hit 42K. So who knows? I literally just hit 42K in the process of this stream. Remember, this is you. This guy. I just want to remind everyone, this guy made a half-hour video about why he doesn't like the NPC meme. Oh, oh, okay. I like the NPC meme. I find it funny. Thanks for kind of helping the point of a meme by making a video devoted on why you don't like it. It's kind of the same thing as when HBOMMA guy was like, you know, the soy boy meme? It's not even accurate. It's like, oh, that's, you don't, you don't need, I mean, I'll admit his point about Paul Joseph Watson was really funny, but. Don't you mean Paul Joseph Watson? There were people making this. What did I say? Or Joe Paul Joseph Watson. Joe Paul? Joe Paul? Joe Paul? Joe Paul? Joe Paul? Joe Paul? It's like, it's kind of a meme that the left doesn't get memes, but. Prove a meme wrong factually, and then the meme dies, and it's like, that's not what happens. No. Never will happen. Every political orientation says other political orientations don't get memes. I'm not. No, I actually, I think that the left meme challenge. From what I've understood, it's more said that the left don't, but it's not like the right never fucking have a moment where they misunderstand a meme. Like, obviously that's going to happen too. Yeah, the left can't meme. But like, the NPC meme, as I understood it, is applied to anybody who barks like a political, or a response that's usually in a political conversation. It could apply to someone on the right or the left, but the left got super offended by it, and it's like, oh, so it's implying that they're like, this is already about us. That's how I always understood it. I was like, but it's on the right as well, because they can do it. You know, the right, say, SJW, SJW, that would be the NPC vision. Tim Poole's done some good videos on memes and how they spread on the internet and the left, and it's interesting, but I think there's a lot of truth to the generalization. Imagine making an entire video about why you don't like a fucking meme. Well, maybe it's a good video. We haven't seen it. You don't know what we're going to do. Oh, my God. If this video is indicative of everything we've made, I don't think I want to. It'd be a good video. In fact, maybe it isn't a problem. If Moeller just wants to use this for that, it's up to him. It might be incredibly tedious for me, but... Also, don't fret. This video is going to get much faster, because once Eric comes back on, a lot of the stuff that he says is very agreeable or quick to approach. Do you have the sensors ready? Don't spoil anything. I got to make sure you remember, we got to protect our... It's not mine to write off as an artistic choice. As the format from which to hang the argument for your case, the interesting part of arguing about art, not so much, at least not the way this time is utilized. Thanks for qualifying that. Oh, that's just fantastic. I believe this is the qualification. Yeah, but this is not... Okay, I'll have to explain why this isn't a qualification. Let me play it in full, so it's not said that we didn't. From which to hang the argument for your case, the interesting part of arguing about art, not so much, at least not the way this time is utilized. That's just fantastic. That's just a fantastic comedic line. Brilliant. You may or may not know, in my rage videos, I usually have a portion where I say that's just silly, at least four times around that, in a row, I go, I state a thing and I say, that's just silly. And someone could be like, but Moeller, you're not qualifying why they're silly. You're just saying they're silly. I'd be like, oh yeah, I think that they're so silly that I don't need to qualify and it's a part of the entertainment factor. So I understand that you have a valid perspective on that, but again, these are unbridled rages. They're supposed to be entertainment first, running through several perspectives. So me asking questions in a funny manner is actually a part of the entertainment value. He was the one who made the sky high as fascist video. I haven't seen that. So in the praise, when I was constructing the praise video, I was like, how can I make it an inverse of rage in more ways than one? And I was like, well, you know the parts where I say, that's just silly. What can I say instead? And I was like, what about that's just fantastic? You know, just declaring that the thing is good without explaining it. And now, unfortunately for Jackie, he's probably not aware of that being a structural element. So he's assumed that that's me trying to explain my point. You know, and I'm declaring something's fantastic. The irony being that he's already done this to my videos in this video, he's shown a clip and just said that's bad moving on. And it's just like, okay. Nope. But the more important part that it's a joke, I'm saying that's fantastic as if to imply. I'm just laughing at that. That's funny as Rags pointed out. But the important parts, so characters going on long arcs and experiencing thematically relevant journeys, I explain all of that explicitly. I don't explain the joke to you. That's true. I don't explain why a joke is funny. That could be tough sometimes. It's yeah, it's a little explaining why you find things funny. But this is another problem. Why you find things like sexually attractive. If either you hate my channel or you haven't seen my channel and you watch this, you're like, guys, do you watch that Mola guy? And they go, yeah, he's great. And you go, he literally like says, oh, this thing is bad and then moves on. And when it comes to films, he likes, he just says this is good and moves on. And then the person you're talking to will be like, no, he doesn't know. And they'll be like, you need to see Jack Saints video. And then they go, you need to see Jack Saints video being responded to. And that's the process. I like that someone put in Jack Saint in the chat with a bunch of NPC style. Yeah, this is again, the reoccurring theme of this video is that he's mixed up rages and critiques. And we'll get to his response to that at the end. Like I said, doesn't the fact it's got themes make it good? I agree with you. Actually, this video has themes. Therefore, it's a crit. Irrecritable. That's a word now. It means you can't criticize it. Everything that I make into the future, by the way, we'll have a theme, even if I don't mention it. Or if it seems. If I just say it's the theme of inaccuracy. No, the best way to convey a theme is to literally just say the theme in the movie. I've always liked that because I don't like to think it annoys me. Someone's going to get that out of context. The theme of the last genai is fuck kids. Kids are annoying. Damn them. Yeah, let's keep going. Infinity War is admittedly a kind of unfair example. Moola really does phone this one in. It's just running through the film seen by... Damn. So this is a genuine response to this. Jack, kindly fuck you. Simple as that. I worked really hard on that video. And it's something that I consider a little closer to me for media than a lot of standard pieces of media. I don't know. I really care about Tony Stark's journey. And so the portion I showed you was what I consider to be the crown jewel of the part of the film that I really enjoyed. And then I move into talking about it as a whole. And he's just like, he phoned it in. It's like, thanks, man. So you can phone in and make better content than he can? Trying? I would never claim that. Is that what the theme of that statement was? I guess. What else can we draw? Let's go to the worst fucking benefit of the doubt possible. And do back to him what he likes to do with our work, right? Why not? Saying the bits he liked. I guess maybe he thought the more of his video was taken up by summary, the more objective the critique was. Nope. The purpose is so that people follow along when they're watching, whether or not they've seen the film, whether or not they remember the film. And I really like it when people do that. I like to know we're moving to this scene and then this scene happens and then we're here now because when I watch a movie, I can't remember every scene in chronological order and every event that takes place. Well, him and Eric have basically said that you don't exist, Draggs, because they're like, I'm watching this video. I've seen the movie more than what are you doing? It's like, I saw it too. But I want to be reminded of everything that happened so that I don't forget about something. And by the way, I'm not saying that every single portion of my plot summary was absolutely intrinsic to the video. There's probably some things I could have cut and the video would have survived. I'm simply suggesting the reasoning for why it's there. I'm very aware of why you might find it clunky and unnecessary, but you are not everyone. That's basically the lesson you should learn here. I mean, watch if you want a perfect example of why his notion of objective critique is so flawed in the first place as he largely skips over what he has elsewhere acknowledged as clear and fundamental holes in the filmmaking. So his point here is that I've accepted publicly that Infinity War has flaws and it's not in the Infinity War video, a video in which I say I am not going to talk about the flaws. It's worse than that, dude. It's worse than that. I say it explicitly after the section he was referring to as being without point. Well, at least it's like when cinema wins, he talks about film. I mean, you know what he's going for from the outset? Like he's explicitly states, these are great things about this movie. I'm just going to focus on the great things about it. The first, that comment in chat. Jack, come on now. Look, Jack, come on. Yeah, this is a co-wibby about music. So he's about to play a clip that proves that I think Infinity War is flawed and that's proof that I never mentioned it in the video and he thinks that proves something. But look how smug he gets about this. You get the impression that Mola was denoting some things as important and... Oh, wait. We're going past it. So apparently Jack's wife is getting salty on Twitter too. Jack's wife? You married that? Brilliant. All right. Infinity War is, admittedly, a kind of unfair example. Yeah, don't send Jack Saint any hate whatsoever, people. Leave him alone. All it's going to do is give him ammo to say that we're the worst channel ever. We're racist bigots and we bully smaller channels. Leave him alone. He's worse than Shinobi with this shit. He's inventing even more and more. He changes the past and invents context that doesn't exist just to go after people. Leave him alone. Do you think that Shinobi is his son? He was trapped in a basement with his toys. This all makes sense now. What's his wife's foot handle? Do not harass Jack Saint. Yeah, just like, he's really not worth your time. What about Jack's wife, son? This is a music meme. Cuckoldry memes offend me. Mola really does phone this one in. It's just running through the film scene by scene and saying the bits he liked. I guess maybe he thought the more of his video was taken up by summary, the more objective the critique was. Wouldn't that be true, though? I mean, if it was just a plot summary, wouldn't that make it more objective, though? Yes, but I don't know what his take is on that. He just declares it. He uses little quote fingers, but that's like, no. But unironically, yeah, it kind of would be pretty much. This happens, and then this person does this. He declares it as a bad thing, moves on, and it's like, isn't that the thing you accused me of doing? That was bad, okay. If you want a perfect example of why his notion of objective critique is so flawed in the first place, as he largely skips over what he has elsewhere acknowledged as clear and fundamental holes in the filmmaking. Something like that would almost give the impression that Mola was denoting some things as important and some as not important, based on his own biases. Literally described my video as biased. Yeah, like if only you'd mentioned something about this in the video. If only, unfortunately, this is what I mean. This is why this stream, when I was preparing these citations, I was just like, this is going to be easy. Jack has made this so fucking easy. He's literally using words that I have in my videos. Like, what do you want me to do, Jack? In the discussion I had with him in the comment, the way he justified conflating this is like, I say clearly the intention is different. You can tell it's made very obvious. And he says, but the content in them is the same. And that is super fun. His justification for conflating the praises, the rages, and the critiques is that the content is apparently the same. When he's literally criticizing this one specific video for being biased while ignoring other videos. He's not saying that about videos. So on that note, let me read the description of Mahler's unbridled praise video. Is the description of the video that's open instantly? I have no idea what this thing says right now. So I figured since I make a lot of content that is negative about film, I had an idea to try and create a sister series to my unbridled rages. The idea is to try and praise the film for the things I thought were great while leaving the flaws out of the analysis. Basically the complete inverse of what you often see on the channel. I'll pick us back up with other films if you guys enjoy it. I really tried to nail the editing in the script though I wanted to get it out quick to cover the topic. Marvel really did pull something amazing off here. A flawed series, but an unprecedented one nonetheless. Let me know how you feel about the video. Wait, so what you're saying is you're just a rip off of cinema wins? That's quite amusing isn't it? Because the rage and praises are technically cinema sins and cinema wins in what they try to do? Question mark? I mean it's not as if those channels came up with those concepts of ignoring one thing to talk about another thing. But yeah I think it's a fair comparison. I just think that I'm more consistent than cinema sins and cinema wins from what I've seen. But that's, you know, not too declarative. I've only made one praise after all. They both have incredibly different approaches to you is what I would say. Since I've seen most of your content, most of their content as well. Actually I've never seen a cinema sins video. I don't know. I mean watch if you want a perfect example of why his notion of objective critique is so flawed in the first place, as he largely skips over what he has elsewhere acknowledged as clear and fundamental holes in the filmmaking. Something like that would almost give the impression that Moeller was denoting some things as important and some as not important based on- The description is in the video and technically in the title because of what praise means but I'm sure jack I mean it's right fucking there. You didn't even have to watch the video. The description is available from the first second that the video plays on his own. This is and so his critique is unstructured in two different ways. His critique. See he thinks it's a critique. It's not how I describe it at all but okay. Well let's see if that panther clears things up. There are several highly advanced- He's about to pronounce Wakanda. That's true we're nearly there but let's see these these all in a row. Well let's see if that panther clears things up. There are several highly advanced pieces of technology and architecture everywhere but actually they have thatch style huts embedded into the structures. What is with the location and everyone's outfits and the weird war paint stuff? I mean guys seriously why the fuck do you use spears? By taking the flower power back and burying yourself in large amounts of sand you are able to speak to your father through dreamland I guess. How exactly did Tony and his father not find out about the properties of vibranium? People getting stabbed and slit to shit but absolutely no blood? Can't even go with the red lines on the bodies? Come on guys. This film doesn't even explain why he's called the black panther. So first glaring point. The concept of cherry picking. Let's assume that all those points are awful for the sake of the argument. It's not really fair considering a representation of the whole video and he does account for that in a moment. He says something like he agrees with me that the opening isn't very well written and I'm like I'm just sitting here like really Jack like what about the villain making no sense at all in terms of his origin and his plan being based on luck and T'Challa not doing much of anything in the movie making lots of confusing decisions. There's a lot of fundamental criticisms I have right in and amongst ones like less significant ones however I don't actually think that the criticisms I raised are actually insignificant and some of them he's going to assume are objective plot holes like that selection you'll just anything that I bring up he will label as a plot hole and it's like it's embarrassing for me as as someone who gets accused of being so amateur. It's like you realize there's more to flaws in film than plot holes. Yeah like whether or not we learn his name is Black Panther or not that just doesn't mean it's a plot hole. It's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about how every single superhero is tied like they have a real name and then they get given their superhero name and you're like okay I'm curious as to how that would occur because everyone gets a natural name and then each of the movies will give us context for it while Black Panther it's just the way it is and you're like okay again not a plot hole it's just like okay then do you want to say like what's the problem all the way asking the question it's like I was curious about it and I don't know why they didn't count for it. Why can't I ask what's wrong with just asking I'm just I'm asking and then he's like I also do kind of like the way you say it does kind of sound like you consider it to be a flaw. Do I that's a good question do I consider that's what I get but the thing is like as I've been over in the video that he's also seen the car in the background Lord the Rings that is a flaw okay but it's like its relevance is so low but I still mentioned it in that video you get it like it is a thing and you could be like the car is a flaw because if you really want it to be explained you'd be like cars don't exist in Lord the Rings universe therefore it can't be there like that would be the the argument I suppose the continuity issue I guess so he'd categorize that the consistency with the world yeah I'm not even sure of how I would categorize that but um just the slip-up that they catch the black not even really an editing it's just that um they didn't notice it until the movie was already finished it's like it's a it's an in universe mistake and an out of universe mistake and in fairness I the only reason I know noticed it is because someone else pointed it out to me because it's such a blink and you miss it thing yeah it's the same for me yeah and I guess the point I'm making is I throw those in the video too but if you collect any and all nitpicks I've ever made and then say that this is all I do like Quinten did and like Jack's doing yeah you can definitely make that argument it's just the context will kill the argument which is the crux of this stream basically um but hey you know let's see his take on it dabbed and slit to shit but absolutely no blood can't even go with the red lines on the bodies come on guys this film doesn't even explain why he's called the black panther you know cinemasins yeah this is just cinemasins what do you mean Jay why would you say that I've never heard of them this is someone just running through a movie points by points occasionally calling out things they consider bad plot holes occasionally it's the whole video yeah it's the whole video this the construction of the video is supposed to be the I provide I'm talking about all the flaws and I give you enough plot summary to be able to understand the context of the floor and he's just described it as bad plot holes this is what I mean about how jack seems to think that anything and everything I talk about equals black a bad plot hole it's like it could be anything there's loads inconsistencies and conveniences are like extremely different to start but they could both be categorized as plot holes by jack I suppose editing errors are not plot holes um the film is complicated I feel so condescending explaining this it's like this just so many ways of film like a child you know it's not just plot holes that's the I guess what I'm trying to say about really commenting on how it fits within the narrative or making a so you said I don't comment with how it fits within the narrative Jay you didn't like my black path of video that much but do you remember me mentioning how any of the criticisms are relevant because of how it fits in with the MCU I'll be real I've blacked most of that out of my memory at this point okay um the the one I use is that um the weaponry and armor and their abilities and the metal and all that stuff by the end of black pants they're telling us that they're introducing it into the world and so I'm like what prevents them now from if they're gonna share this kind of shit like isn't it gonna spread and and the arguments of um I would have the same argument for Tony's nano uh machine technology and the same uh for a couple of different things it's just like this is undeniably incredible technology and the world is facing a threat start mass producing those black panther suits if you know what I mean nope only for black panther so that is a highlight of an issue when the world is at stake isolationism isn't really going to be a reason for why you won't let people have weaponry if you know what I mean um and they're not even isolationist at the end of the movie so what I'm suggesting is what I'm suggesting is that it'll be an issue for um uh the the the world and he's just said like I never explain how it'll be relevant to anything else I'm like I'm pretty sure I do that in the black panther video yeah this is all just cinemasons this is someone just running through a movie point by point occasionally calling out things they consider bad plot holes without really commenting on how it fits within the narrative or making an argument for why these things actually matter to them so the argument I make for why it matters like I just need to pick one and he's wrong so like um why it matters that they kept a secret for Killmonger instead of just taking the child back with them to Wakanda or instead of um letting the people in Wakanda know that this was a thing that even happened they don't tell us why they don't there's no reason for it they keep referring to it as the secret they had to keep and I actually think considering I think it was Wolfer told me there's supposed to be some kind of three hour cup for Black Panther it might be I think it was I think it was much longer than three hours I think it's in there probably because you just need a couple lines to actually connect the dots for why they would be motivated to keep it a secret but they never actually have a moment in the film to do it and I think it was just missed but it creates massive problems for understanding um the motivations of the king and the Wakanda itself I'm sure you'd all love to watch Black Panther but for three hours right yes sounds like something you would all enjoy definitely yeah both of those claims can be counted with context just just recurring theme folks why these things actually matter to the text matter to them or should matter to you just as infinity war was a point by point summary occasionally pointing out good plot things across his video Moeller makes constant references to things like it being counterintuitive the only one person in Wakanda gets access to yeah that case yeah Wakanda Wakanda I've been building up to this for ages and oh is it everything you ever hoped and dreamed it would be it was more than that oh it's the past my expectations like a mini infinity war in your heart the only one person in Wakanda gets access to a special plant that makes you superhuman usually the king or how even though Wakanda is technologically advanced they fall back to fairly archaic things like rustic looking market trial by combat having strict traditions don't mention that people using spears I do believe he comes to that yeah he's presenting my arguments here so we've got nothing to respond to yeah he's gonna count them in a moment but he's snarkily presenting them as if they're just wrong inherently but he is gonna provide a counter argument logically advanced society is fucking spears sincerely why does anyone use anything if so that's a weird question to ask why does anyone use anything I think what he wants to present here is that I could ask questions like why would winter soldier use a machine gun instead of a gun that could be better in that scenario you know and depending on the context these questions are actually relevant and he's about to provide an example from infinity war as if to show that I don't have any criticisms of infinity war which we've already been over as a mistake on his part that he thinks it should have been in my video when it was never intended to be in the video but he assumes that I don't share this criticism so cure it out guardians why on earth would they make Mjolnir a small hammer and not a mini gun because it's based on mythology you dunce I mean well that's not a plot reason though it is an adaption right so we can still argue that they've adapted it with it if you want to tear the Asgardian culture down I think you could do it in terms of assessing how a lot of it's inconsistent into the Odin and Thor clearly very very powerful and hella or hell I never remember who it is in the fucking movie compared to all the other Asgardians who seem to be kind of shit other than Heimdall who seems like decent and then a lot of the citizens are just terrible to the point where they're literally like defenseless and you're like okay so how does the power dynamic work here because like you know how Thor can take getting stabbed and beaten and thrown and exploded and stuff like those citizens look like they could die from you know just a bullet wound while Thor can't be shot by bullets question mark normal human ones right or am I I can't remember if that happens in the movie um either way don't make me have to defend Thor it's confusing survive being punched by the Hulk and like those massive deterrent ships can't survive that he has a super weapon on legs essentially and so like I don't really know exactly what the power levels of Asgardians are or how that works and then there's like their armor which almost seems useless against hella in the movie and maybe that's because she's hella but this is like wouldn't wouldn't the wolves make like amazing armor it's like no let's just assume they don't do that and you're like okay then then there's the weaponry which you know the why why not I don't know there's a couple of things like how does any of this really function why wouldn't the greatest weapon of all time the stormbreaker thing not be the weapon that Odin has or maybe Thor already is I don't I don't get how any of it really works and um Jack's assuming I don't have any of these criticisms for Asgard like I do for Wakanda but I've not made a video on Thor criticizing Thor specifically but oh man could you yeah um there's a lot more to Thor that I have a problem with outside of the world building just like Black Panther their own special Mjolnir Gunter help protect Asgard with plot hole not a plot hole jack you don't know what a plot hole is you need to watch um videos on plot holes protect well no he the videos he's probably watching Patrick Williams Williams yeah then I guess he doesn't know shit about plot holes then Asgard with plot hole how come the U.S. military has had the research notes on cap super serum for so many decades yet most soldiers are just regular dudes and not thousands of captors so this is a trap because it's obviously blatantly explained in the movie that Erskine is the only one that can make the formula and then the winter soldier ones are made in winter well we we're shown that the winter soldier ones are made and that it makes them uncontrollable so Captain America's formula is lost to time and died with Erskine but he's going to argue that it's explained Captain America just like it is in Black Panther but it's not it's explained the Black Panther comics I know that from the amount of people who told me it but it's not explained in the movie research notes on cap super serum for so many decades yet most soldiers are just regular dudes and not thousands of Captain Americans oh wait they actually address that in the fiction kind of like how they address why only one person gets the Black Panther's ability in the fiction of no they don't they don't importantly why which is my argument in the video that he's just not going to bring up here or counter is that um your goal is to protect the king and the king is the the Black Panther blah blah blah he gets the power in the suit because he's he's top of the pyramid okay so why does he have bodyguards it's like to protect him obviously you know like from what why don't well that's another good question but why don't why do the bodyguards not have this stuff too to make them literally the best at their job that they could possibly be you know like because they just don't okay why don't the bodyguards have the Black Panther suit since that technology alone would make you pretty much immune to damage it's bulletproof and again you'd be like they just don't you know like okay um someone made the argument that their fabric is made of vibranium and I was like they their whole heads are fucking available to a bullet like that would be the important part that maybe they want to cover so Black Panther suits for all and then we find out that the literal necklaces that can form around you and Shuri could obviously mass produce them with the amount of vibranium she has mined frequently each day so just like this is really awkward for you to show me and then I argue that um the entire population of Wakanda could be given these flower things and it'll improve their biology as in they will be faster more agile heal better be more immune be stronger like you could give this to your whole population and you'd be like a super race but instead you're like no just for Black Panther and the reasoning that he's gonna present I believe is that it's like a cultural thing like they only let the one guy have it but this is not in the movie they just they just presented that they have flower power and then they just they give it and you're like okay do they ever explain how they even mine vibranium I mean we don't need an explanation for like that surely we don't need to well I guess the logic would be how do you mine steel it's a caveman it's like well you have to do the thing in Terraria right you use a lower material to mine a stronger one then use that mined material to mine a stronger one and then mine is stronger pickaxe that's what I'm saying but it's like but it's one of those things where pickaxe you can it's about how deep you want to go with it if the whole thing about Wakanda is that they're super amazing because they have vibranium like well but if how did how did they turn just vibranium chunks in the earth into some kind of usable material that gives them yeah because it's implied that the vibranium propelled them past the stone age yeah and I want to know how how does we like we found this chunky thing in the ground and it's really really you can't break it we can't I don't even know how we got it out of the ground honestly but it's just like we've got it so how does that make them super super smart and super combat effective because if we had if we had adamantium as in just the strongest metal that isn't our strongest metal currently it doesn't push us into like they just argue that vibranium can just do everything it's like the best technology thing but brianium can be used as fuel you can like burn it and get energy pretty much say it can just be used as everything can be used as little golf balls that you can put in wounds and then they won't die and you could be like that's internal logic so it's okay and I'd be like it is internal logic but it's also the most convenient fucking material that's ever been a fucking storyline it is a macabre my god I just realized seeing this infinity war scene and thinking the little balls like what if t'challa just pulled out like a bag from his pocket and he started like shoving balls all across his face I made the argument that if the dad still had the flower power which they would have to remove from him instead of just letting him keep then he would have survived this and do you remember Jay's counter was the you don't know that could make him survive and black panther survived it my counter also this is the one I'd stand by more I'm not really sure like how I I've again blocked a lot of that out I haven't really gone back to it very much but my counter that I was more pleased with was essentially you imply heavily that they like have to get him to give up the power and my assumption would be that based on I'm sure he volunteers we know the same as a character yeah that he would volunteer yeah no I'm sure he would too I'm saying it's dumb though yeah it doesn't and the I mean in plus what about all the kings who came before he's he's literally the their representative like isn't it important to keep him in a good state when you're isolationist and you're trying to protect yourself from the world he knows exactly how to talk about Wakanda keep him alive he's very useful I don't know man like a lot of it doesn't make any sense but we'll respond mode we've hit the five hour mark by the way we have that's too long we have to be quicker how much longer do you plan on going let's have a look could you do an hour yeah could you do more than an hour I don't know if I could do more than an hour I don't know we'll try and speed it up but I really would like to get through the whole thing because they there's a small addressing of rags at the end oh hopefully like I said when we get to we're nearly to Eric I think and Eric's one is mostly smooth so we'll just let's go oh wait they actually address that in the fiction kind of like how they address why only one person gets the Black Panther's ability in the fiction of Black Panther you might not like the explanation but beyond telling us this is a thing that exists you haven't given an argument for why it really matters here for everything you simply call out in Black Panther and then from your intonation we assume as floor so he's doing this throughout his whole video by the way he like through his intonation after throwing clips on screen we're supposed to assume that they're bad intrinsically there was a couple of them some of them get commentary but in the same way that I do that in my videos some of the things I just I just snarkily say and then some of the things I actually explain but I usually do that with the things that are much more significant that's usually how I roll in the rage videos but again the rage videos are for more for entertainment so he's guilty the thing he's accusing me of and the thing he's accusing me of is actually by design they're the two defendants yeah I think I think it's pretty evident the tone's different but I guess some people didn't pick up on that even though it was written out in the description not girlfriend kills a guy with a shoe I could look back to your infinity war video and find see there's no context for why that's a bad criticism yeah I mean it seems he's just declared that it's bad by showing it so there you go Jackie guilty of it too similar if not almost the exact same quote unquote oh so sorry we should probably say I don't feel I should I feel it's condescending to explain why someone killing someone with a shoe is embarrassing and I wouldn't put it in my movie unless it was a parody like fucking austin powers kills a guy with a shoe I could look back to your infinity war video she should have just punched the guy why the hell would you hit him with a fucking yeah don't don't do anything to me while I'm getting my shoe off even the world's end had a better fight scene than that and that was a comedy and find similar if not almost the exact same quote unquote problems why are there literally two people from Dr. Stranger's sect protecting the time stone weren't all of the Dr. Stranger's sect people wiped out by Caecilius outside of Morbo whatever his name is Morden hadn't seen Black Panther I couldn't say but um if that's a if I check Dr. Stranger and that comes out true that's a fair criticism well didn't they um didn't he reverse time at the end to prevent that from happening and that he was sucked in with the robot or something to complete it though so I don't know if he managed to save anybody from the last area if you know what I mean the thing is that this doesn't counter any of your points it's like you didn't mention the criticisms of infinity war that exist when you weren't yeah this just comes back to how explicit I was about not mentioning the flaws it's literally spelled out for you but I guess that wasn't enough to spell it out for you single most important thing to these people look at how much bringing in his Eric Tacks and editing here too what do you mean these people are we seriously ignoring that they could portal in like he defended this to me when I called him out and in the comments by saying oh yeah but the content in the critiques isn't is pretty much the same as what's in the rages and the brazes no well then why don't you use the critiques as an example since that was you know what you're fucking talking about I agree like a dozen more of these guys and likely stomp the two people Thanos sends down to grab it just the two way so even though Thanos has been roving around the galaxy for decades picking up recruits he only had like five people on hand for infinity war and for a second and they were his trusted soldiers he did hire a couple more people and they betrayed him so yeah they had like a like an army of those like six live monsters the Chitauri army bit of a weird comment jack but okay have a good they have an army in infinity war Thanos already knows he's planning on using the stones to snap away half of all life why does he rove around for so long halving populations right up to the start of the film isn't he at that point just cutting all life by hang on a second um but we don't know when he discovered the infinity gauntlet thing was a possibility has it has it been do you know he's cutting populations in half after he discovers it because he does that to Thor and his people that is true and um it would for me it's not a contradiction I don't know if you'd agree with that it's more of a I'd love to see what he'd have to say about that I imagine he just doesn't like it's just it's tiny numbers in a grand scheme or something like that it's not a contradiction but I would say it makes less I would I would say it would make sense for him to not be doing it at that point it would be interesting if it was in the movie that when he's attacking them to get the stone and he kills half of them he's essentially saying like it's beyond me I'm killing you sure but it's beyond me because it's that this is the rule it has to be half of you and you'd be like well you're gonna half them anyway so isn't this just this is sort of reveal that he kind of enjoys it anyway but that's not in the movie give a better yeah I mean you could say that he's doing it manually because he doesn't he's not certain he can get all the infinities yeah it would be cool to have a line of dialogue I don't I don't disagree but that could get a bit of extra explanation free quote I made a video on infinity war and people commented saying that you know previously they thought it was okay but I have to see in this they were like wow you know it's actually blah blah blah I was trying to be as objective as possible in explaining how the characters move from x to y to z and why that film is of quality and the robots analysis of infinity war for example would probably be that it's like a six or five out of 10 I think this film is okay so he thinks that's a contradiction how? by presenting these clips he thinks that it's a contradiction but like it's the crux of my argument that I'm presenting only the positives and that if you were to be objective about infinity war it would probably reach some form of a par because of the amount of inconsistency but that shows that you know that there are flaws with it this is the thing it's again the film that you literally spell out that there are flaws but you're not going to talk about them because that's not the point of the video he's seemingly blissfully unaware of these several attempts at telling him it's a biased assessment it's amazing how like you literally in that in that in that debate with just right said that it was subjectively you love the movie but objectively not objectively it's not as great as you know you feel it is and he still manages to miss that tended for traditional reviewers and they will be throwing out logic as much as possible since traditional reviewers are the only people who appreciate a lack of logic so this is in regards to tlj and it's just a little snarky comment that I think that it's dumb that Patrick Williams only appreciates the traditional reviewers but they also all happen to love lost Jedi and so my my conclusion is the traditional reviewers just love a complete lack of logic and so Jack is applying this criticism to me saying well you like you you consider infinity war lack of logic and you love it and it's like no jack tlj is basically without logic it's like a one out of 10 fucking objective scale if you want me to really go there while infinity war it's got logic throughout all of the most important elements being the characters their journeys what they did how they grew what they learned the themes those things are consistent it's the world building and the the story itself there's this issues as holes while with the last Jedi there's holes in every fucking respect so false equivalency is the conclusion they uh-oh I think so I don't personally care about these things because I accept for instance that the first fight in New York would feel completely different if both sides had hundreds of unnamed fighters causing chaos all around the city and with the context of the film's escalation of tension potentially throw things off see that's my argument for why I like the early on the fights in infinity war are only between a few people I don't know what he means by sea this doesn't contradict anything I've said yeah it's like that's fine you can like it for whatever reasons you weren't that's different because yeah it makes the massive Wakanda fight feel more as if it's been led up to it's Wakanada of the actual name rather than Wakanda just another exhausting massive clash Mauler jabbing a Black Panther because it's too dark to see him well in the opening fight scene is ultimately meaningless because he doesn't mark it as saying you couldn't see so um we could jump to another video that's an editing mistake how could you we could jump to the other the video I was going to do it to show context but trust me just go to 230 my Black Panther video if you want to see me say it I say that um I'm describing the events in this part of the plot to set up my criticisms of it and I say at least that's what I think happens because despite being the center of my cinema with a full screen I couldn't see a fucking thing now that's a statement that is inherently subjective because I just told you I couldn't see a fucking thing it's it's the fact that I can't see and now he's trying to address it in a way that I'm saying the film is too dark like like as if I'm wrong for saying it's too dark when all I've said is I couldn't fucking see so like it's a bit of extrapolation on his part and how he counters this argument is hilarious a Black Panther because it's too dark to see him well in the opening fight scene is ultimately meaningless because he doesn't argue why this is a problem for the film in Alien the xenomorph is in darkness most of the film yet you'd probably so um does anyone want to crack it this this counter well well you see when it's too dark to tell what's happening that's an editing mistake that's a lighting mistake if you can't tell what's happening how are you supposed to be enjoying the scene but this dark in Alien you could do that intentionally but Alien didn't have that lighting exactly you could do it intentionally for a reason like in a horror film and even then I don't think Alien had bad lighting you tell what's happening I was gonna say if you want to convey that something is is like difficult to see then yeah show it in a way that's you can't tell what's happening but yeah difficult to see for the characters that are experiencing it in the film in the audience those are two different things yet to compare an action scene with a horror scene is incredibly ridiculous because an action scene you inherently need to understand the progression of events while a horror scene it could very well and this is the thing I use this example in the tfa video which he admits he's seen at one point so it's interesting to me that he's trying to provide the same counter that I did to the point in the force awakens flickering lights thing and I talk about how flickering lights in alien makes it harder for the viewer to discern exactly what the creature is we can see it but we're still like what what is that what the hell is that and that's by design because they want you to remain as unaware of exactly what it is for as long as they can it's a fucking horror it's trying to create suspense while in Black Panther you need to argue from a position of action if I can't fucking understand who is even hurting or what's happening I'm just sitting there waiting for the scene to conclude and they go yeah he won by the way I'll be like thanks I was so on the edge of my seat and so yeah the if I made the criticism it would be that it's badly as we'll put it lit or edited but all I said was I couldn't see it so he's taking a subjective argument and arguing it against it objectively who have you heard say that about us regularly yeah well fuck you for not being able to see I mean that was a trick question because it's like everyone accuses that of us it's just funny when they do it to us it happens all the time it happens all the time people are constantly guilty of the things that they say that we do all this yeah let's let's hear him explain why it's fine to have a dark action scene because horror do it argue why this is a problem for the film in Alien the xenomorph is in darkness most of the film yet you'd probably half if you heard me blithely criticize the film because I couldn't see it most of the time because you understand it matches with the film's desire to create tension and a sense of the unknown black panther with the fact that it switches much of the perspective to the guards who are scared of him also appears to be riding on this idea it also again plays into the notion of escalating tension as we're building the audience's excitement at later seeing him show off his full capabilities in a daylight setting you can counter this by saying we already saw him you can tell there's an audio change here and an editing change because he hasn't got visuals of him doing it he realized that his own argument has a flaw being that he said that they show him in darkness first because it's a great build-up to seeing him fight in light and it's like we already saw him fight in light in civil war so but uh this is his counter for that assumed argument full capabilities in a daylight setting you can counter this by saying we already saw him fight in civil war I can counter by asking to what extent filmmakers are beholden to the assumption audiences saw the previous work in a series and look it's a whole conversation about how we each interpret and judge art so he's on the team of you can only interpret it as a sequel if you interpret it as a sequel wow okay all right it's like my favorite a new hope is I mean you could think that the empire strikes back you could interpret that as a sequel to a new hope it could be maybe if you feel that way not set in stone though there's no Jesus Christ these people that's like a that's like something that's like a meme answer that people would make up but they believe it unironically you know someone just someone just posted something in the chat that like reflects exactly how I feel and they said my brain is sore that's exactly how my head feels I like feel like I want to smash my face into a wall I want to sleep for like six years and interestingly Lone Wolf in the chat says Predator did this they hide the threat while showing the action clearly yeah we can follow the events just fine even though we barely see the predator I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it is possible to have a sequel where you still build to revealing a thing that the audience has seen before my example would be like Rogue One they clearly build up to you seeing Darth Vader because they know that's something you want oh I wouldn't I don't think his point would be inaccurate it's just that it doesn't defend the idea of poor lighting and it doesn't contradict what I said in the video there's so many layers to why this is a piss-poor counter yeah see him in the dark at the start I got nothing it's the same I know you've got nothing Jack I know that's your whole video see him in the dark at the start I got nothing it's the same kind of vague contextless criticism as pointing out Wakanda is an advanced society with old-fashioned design elements which are true not only of many First World Nations today that's a nice counter my friend but you don't see half a building of steel and half a building of thatched housing it's not a thing it's a really bad attempt at trying to combine two potentially conflicting ideas within a culture I'm not saying it's impossible I'm saying the way they did it was hilarious okay but almost all sci-fi settings don't disagree based on the progress of technology and medicine and protection in general would allow the strongest person to rule rather than the smartest or generally speaking the best you okay? I'm guessing Feyo is finished he's turning gay oh wow oh my goodness wow that is that is that is hideous ah it's gonna be your profile picture now yeah I'm already on it oh my god one day someone's gonna find this like someone who has no idea about like any of this context is gonna find this image and ask me about it oh lord my eyes Feyo and you're the best I love you oh Jesus how do I delete somebody else's pose oh I'm curious though how he defends the trial by combat thing I'm interested to see that let's check it out why not I remember it being one of the weaker parts of the video well gj yeah did or did you I did yeah okay maybe what condons don't look at intelligence the same way we do wow that's so fucking racist how's that for subverting your expectation oh that's subverted by expectations it's the same way we do because IQ is a pretty contentious topic even in societies it's established in and being smart doesn't objectively make you a better leader wait maybe being smart doesn't make you an objectively better leader what a strange statement well couldn't you just flip that and say being strong doesn't objectively make you a better leader which then highlights the issue which is we're raising is that it's a system that does not account for what is best and he's like yeah well that's the way they do it it's like that's my problem obviously when you're gonna choose the dictator of your pacifist society you want to use trial by combat you find out who is the strongest warrior who's gonna be the dictator of your pacifist society especially the the the fact that he's bringing up oh being smart doesn't necessarily mean you'll be a better leader implies that the alternative to trial by combat is like trial by a trivia quiz try trial by leader we use democracy like yeah like this is the only metric that they use who's getting more votes doesn't mean you're smarter I mean look at history haha wow that's racist smart doesn't objectively make you a better leader maybe Wakanda separate from its technological development is an extremely patriotic nation that heavily discourages anything to suggest a change from the established traditions of the state if i'm criticizing them for that Jesus yeah something in the text to also that clip has no relevance to what you're talking about that is literally T'Challa saying you fucked up when you kept the secret of Killmonger Jack watch the movie I remember it better than you and I haven't seen it in wow I can't even remember I'd rather not see no we watched it in preparation for talking Jay that first time oh sure yeah that's probably I want to say two months ago Jay when did we meet can't even remember seeing it about three months ago there you go I watched it three months ago and it was a nightmare I still remember how excited you said because we watched it together and I remember how excited you were when you were like where is my favorite building you know when it was panning over the city the thatched steel building looks like it's rain tonight so I'm too bad for the Janssen's on the west wing Janssen's how do you mean the shook weekends the shook weekends on the is anything to suggest a change from the established traditions of the state if only there was something in the text to establish I like the I'm just gonna imagine to Charles talking to him see look I don't know yeah I actually don't know what he's trying to say here well yeah he's he's saying that I'm I'm misunderstanding that it's a part of their culture when he's misunderstanding that I'm criticizing their culture yeah did he think that you were being like yeah this is a great thing for society to do well I think the problem is that he thinks that I think the excuse they're doing it therefore they're doing it is something I missed I'm like yeah no Jack I know they're doing it that's that's the premise of my argument yeah yeah we think it's dumb elements Moolah has dinged past as objective flaws and you like that he refers to them as me dinging past them do you know I hate to use this term I hate it I'm so sorry to use this term but he's actually dog whistling to people who think that I'm like cinema sins cinema sins I'm not like cinema sins that term is basically like um he's saying something without saying it to get the audience that would agree with him to go not like they nod they go and through interpretation dog whistling simply used for political stuff I am trying to just use it in its actual definition I'm not trying to make a political statement when I say dog whistling there this is actually so this is literally the most political thing that's ever happened and if you don't know that you're wrong he looks like the um somebody in chat said he looks like Steve the pirate uh from dodgeball oh yeah I still it's a combination of things he's a very unique man he can have that if that is considered a compliment to just ways it contributes to the film storytelling how it immediately establishes Wakanda's strict traditionalism as a contrast to its technological progress my point here is pretty shallow part of my video so good job yeah we think that's bad I'm at least actually making one as opposed to rolling through an entire film even the parts where sorry but every time you've accused me of that you've been wrong so I'm just not going to take your word for it anymore you don't actually have anything to comment on stopping for a few seconds occasionally to I roll at something so that the viewers can just intuit it's a bad thing what's this video I was about to say listen listen to what he just said again but in the context that he's referring to himself about my work and listen to what he says an entire film even the parts where I don't actually have anything to comment on stopping for a few seconds occasionally to I roll at something so that the viewers can just intuit it's a bad thing he fuck what he does with my videos that is that say him to a tee so I just the self-awareness explosion in farms rhinos why in the goddamn hell is he farming rhinos Jesus Christ the balancing on that ding um also yeah uh do we need to say anything about farming rhinos or is that covered technically already I think we should go into it the birth of a mean it's yeah I just like it's delivered to be entertaining I could have just said it is strange that they farm rhinos next point but instead I was like nah I'm gonna make my character the delivery in the unbridled rage get flustered at the idea that they're doing that and then these people are like this guy's actually getting really fucking angry just because there's a rhino on screen I'm just like all right you're the okay I can't have to explain this to you in a shocking twist we get the exact same criticism brought up again regarding why Wakanda only wants there to be one Black Panther and it's just Ben how are you showing clips of Iron Man and Captain America while making this criticism and not seeing a contradiction why don't the Tibetan monks teach everyone the mystic arts they're very very selective about that it's in the movie it takes a while for Doctor Strange to get a chance at learning it you just bring back up at this point the part where he acts all on his high horse about saying oh oh yeah this was explained in the text of the film yes so Jack you might want to re-watch Doctor Strange they're protective as fuck about all of their information because they think it's considered power that people shouldn't hold or at least people who aren't the film he was talking about there was Black Panther I would say Doctor Strange has a better explanation of why only a few people have the gift than Black Panther does yeah and they try to explain it for starters and Doctor Strange is irrespective of the person's origins in any way shape or form while Black Panther the best you can say is they don't like people outside of Black Panther doing to them and you're like okay but Doctor Strange is just we'll move on to the next one why doesn't Spider-Man tell Oscorp or whatever about the spider things why doesn't Spider-Man tell Oscorp about the radioactive spider things this is a legitimate question he's asking guys is there anything you'd like to say wow um wait who runs Oscorp again the bad guys okay maybe he's trying to say that at the beginning when Peter Parker didn't wait which which universe is this in I guess we're gonna have to use the MCU one so we don't have any of the answers oh yeah with the MCU I'm not as familiar with how do you what what is he gonna do I was bitten by a spider in a building everyone should go do that because what it did for me is amazing a radioactive spider aren't they specifically studying their effects on humans so surely they will find that out yeah we it's we're not given the origin in the MCU so we're gonna have to assume from the fact that they haven't given us that origin what we're getting is a result of what was possible so multiple people in chat are asking if Oscorp exists in the MCU that's a good question actually I don't even know I don't know if it's been mentioned yet I imagine I don't think it's been mentioned I will imagine I imagine they'll bring it up eventually yeah oh that's actually it's actually a question that auto fills on google and what's the result let me how Oscorp could possibly work in the MCU who bought Avengers Tower in Spider-Man Homecoming oh yeah I've heard it implied before that Oscorp are gonna like take the Avengers Tower that's a theory yeah there's a lot of there there's a lot of videos here talking about how to introduce Norman Osborn and Oscorp into the MCU and yeah so to conclude here I don't think that we have an issue right now in the narrative but even if they were that doesn't mean that I don't agree with Jack on this he just assumes that I wouldn't yeah and and the thing is we I don't think that Oscorp exists in the MCU anyway to tell currently I'd have to control that Oscorp in all MCU scripts I guess it's just one of those instances we have no information on it so asking the question is kind of pointless because it could literally be anything yeah we don't have so there can be more Spider-Man to protect the earth maybe there's a fear there that if they don't consolidate this strength and use it sparingly the Wakandan's risk a lot more so his argument is going to counter why the Wakandans don't expand outside of Wakanda when my main argument was the people of Wakanda and then specifically the bodyguards of Wakanda that was my biggest argument he's ignoring both of those and he's instead addressing why Wakanda wouldn't give it to the world not necessarily even the bigger part of my argument and I I haven't even rewashed my video or powerful people with bad intentions and no easy mechanism to stop them you know how Iron Man has to specifically pick Peter out to give any kind of super suit and even then it's with heavy heavy restrictions and only allowed to be used in a very specific context maybe it could be a similar kind of or whatever Dean he gives up because there's no actual citation you've got loads of references for Iron Man and why he won't give away his suits that's in the stories Wakanda doesn't really have shittle for explaining why they don't give their bodyguards highest tech and flower power he stops there and I'm wondering yeah go on oh he's stomping oh well he thinks the point's obvious and he's accused me of not extrapolating what I mean by my points that's a bad thing so it's like Jack you're doing it too buddy I mean at this point as well I've seen this one so much I imagine you guys will agree that it is say oh this thing isn't a problem because it could also be a problem in these other movies what oh it was the what about this thing yeah which is annoying I just want to see it for the last Jedi a lot oh yeah yeah well this other movie yeah well we're not talking about another movie yeah and it's like whether or not it's bad and the other movie is not relevant right now yeah my god we're not even a quarter of the way through the film yet now does Mola stumble upon some we're about to get the first Jack compliment that's like seems partially legitimate like I said Eric is much nicer to me than Jack is but check this out hooray now does Mola stumble upon some points I found strong in this 45 minute rant absolutely I also found the writing in that first scene between the dad and the uncle contrived this is followed up by a lengthy diatribe about how Shuri being a protocol genius inventors because well did you notice that the other protocol genius inventors are guys Jay was the one who actually highlighted this to me because I missed it on my first watch through what do you think he's saying when he says this Shuri being a protocol genius inventor type is apparently a problem for her and not the other protocol genius inventors because because she's a woman I know I think it's because she's black oh really oh I think poor Jack I was going is so sucked into the insanity of his politics he just automatically assumes my issues with Shuri because she's black really I was gonna get you see I don't I don't even know I assumed it was identity yeah I assumed it was an identity politics related piece of garbage but like literally if she was 40 I would not have cared at all same here's the thing here's the thing if you when he says when he makes his argument saying why is it a problem for Shuri to be a a progeny and an an inventor but not these people he adds just the words not these people like you never say that you never didn't you never say that you never specify it's a problem for this person not for these people I mean it works both ways because he showed two white males this is black female yeah so it could be either black or female either way jack and this is clear in the video I just I'm sorry you've let your politics get way too far into the into the assessment um I think it's bad because she's so young and there's no senior members even though Wakanda has had a piece for like ever since the the stote age right like there's been a consistent the clan has always to charlotte's clan has always been king I can't remember if that's in the movie or not but I'm implying that there's been no problems for the science division and the medical division and yet this 16 year old girl who is apparently the smartest person in Wakanda is the lead person for that area to the point where she's helping the king on his missions it's a little bit ridiculous yeah I mean look at what spider-man did he made a terrible suit in a thing that shoots webs and that's he fails all the time spider-man homecoming is full of fails if if uh the lead scientist in Wakanda was like old but a white dude you would probably have questions like that would be a problem why the fuck is the leading scientist in this isolationist nation in Africa fucking white that wouldn't make sense that would be an issue you know when we watched Infinity War last I even pointed out there's like this one shot where there's some random white Wakandan and I was like what is he doing here it was so weird well they opened up their board as well if it makes complete sense it could why would he be dressed like them and armed like them it could be just that the opposite of tanning no it you can it could be a genetic like defect that he I'm genetic defect I don't even yeah yeah yeah he could be albino if his parents are both black he could have like albinism he was clearly just a white guy though no no he he was he was like here's a white guy no he just spent a lot of time indoors he was a starcraft pro that makes complete sense to me yeah because what else are you going to do in a super pacifist society where nothing happens then make what are those memes that's that's what I would do yeah exactly he's Michael Jackson by the way a terrible accident involving a commercial like if Jack is not aware of this what he just did was walk down a corridor point to a room and say this room does not exist and carries on walking and so I'm like oh that that's an existing room it's like he's he's highlighting the issue while saying it's not an issue that he's gonna discuss and it's like you would have just cut that out if that's what your goal was but you clearly kept it in because you wanted it said arguably another dog whistle too but uh I don't know you know you get to the point where it's just like you expect anything better not really nope not really happening here in Moorla's own words just another bloody stupid detail as we've reached the 30 minute mark Moorla is still just summarizing the film making occasional digs as we've already established he doesn't understand what's happening when I summarize so I'm not really gonna take that with a grain of it'll take that with a giant silo of salt I think is what I meant whatever he says regarding um summaries I can't you can't trust him he's shown himself to be an unreliable source of information things that maybe half the time aren't easily shrugged off and it begins to feel a whole whole lot like this is just a guy digging things with no real thrust beyond the fact that there it is again thrust again that downward thrust that made him feel bad without this elaboration it's hard to really get by these we didn't feel bad the only feeling here is coming from you and your we go by facts I know that's a little bit of a difficult thing for you to grasp since you don't live in the real world you live in a little fantasy land where you think we're racist but don't let him twist that into uh see wolf admits he doesn't have any subjectivity involved in his videos and so when you find an example you've proven him wrong it's like no no and I clearly do but not here but not in infinity war no real delineation yes they do what's the criticism of you literally played the clip of when mollars had veyom he just said of infinity war is only like a six from the robot of the film miss it he said though there's no real delineation of what's a criticism of the film versus the characters I see that again here but not in infinity war no real delineation between what's a criticism of the film or the characters what is it hard for you to understand a character criticism or do you need me to explain when I'm making a character criticism so when I say Finn isn't consistent in tfa do you need me to say this is a character criticism ah surely you can yeah tell the difference by listening to the words that's what I was assuming yeah like if it's about the there was a comeback by the way just in case you needed me to explain that to you it's like I have to kneel down like I'm talking to a child try to get on their level so I don't feel like I'm too imposing and say if I'm talking if my criticism is about the character sweetie it's a character criticism as bum lux just highlighted the characters are part of the film that's a meaningless distinction that's true if you criticize a character and someone asks you did the film had any issues you could say yeah this character da da da da yeah Mola thinks of as objective flaws versus just things he personally didn't like it's a challenge wait what was he criticizing there he didn't explain shocking that's a good point checker acts that the film may please don't don't procreate jack is that made him feel bad I mean he without this elaboration it's hard to really get why these contrivances matter here but not his wife's boyfriend will no real do you master an infinity war there's nothing wrong with no one's ever said they don't shut up stop it hey man he can go bad faith we do it okay that was a long simile from that's an argument I actually didn't catch that oh do you want to go back listen let me tell you as someone who has been dissected on e-fap learn from it right you won't you don't have to agree with literally everything they say but listen to the things they say as an open mind Jay you have to you can't just tell people that you don't agree with us and things yeah jay can you start with these opinion things you broke character jay you're the worst boss ever you're not my real dad I don't even believe that you are jj banks anymore that fucking picture though it's amazing my god the film may choices that mayo is too good at what he does bad without this I hope that Bayowin is a he because I'm gonna feel really bad if I like have been calling him a he's not he's one letter away from aowyn so just switch with every passing sentence between and a couple letters away from fate it isn't so and a couple letters away from talented why don't I have eyebrows on my nose in this picture huh I have two distinct eyebrows like above my nose and I don't get it I think it's supposed to be a break for with the glasses connect and it may not the glasses connect with eyebrows you borrowed some of Quinton's monobrow I apologize in advance Bayowin if I've accidentally been misgendering you you see this is this goes to show we don't give a shit what your gender is you could be talented either way chaseface said apparently jack's done with watching this because he wants to go watch yu-yu haku show you must have felt really embarrassed by how lazy his video did out to be a little bit yeah I would be embarrassed if I made this I would be pretty embarrassed I'd be pretty ashamed myself why these contrivances matter here but not in infinity wall the infinity wall video is not presenting errors jack how many times no real delineation it is literally spelled out literally spelled out like so when people are like cleaning me in a mistake like this is why we get confused because we're just like surely that's bad faith because I make it explicit in the clip he's referring to in that section so how could he have missed that and what you could say is that if he actually mentioned it in this video he goes he says he's not going to talk about errors but that's hypocritical because and then makes an argument for why I should that would be different but he's not even referenced it it's bad criticism he's like just say things have people who want to hate you piece it in on their own maybe in between what's the criticism of the film or the characters what mauler thinks of as objective flaws versus just things he personally didn't like Mr. Chalages agrees to it like the way they frame this scene is that he has the opportunity to deny this shit and yet he gambles himself a powerless soupless techless Wakandan warrior against a professionally trained CIA kill count record breaking psychopath with a vengeance obsession directed at your bloodline what a dumbass move you're about to hand your whole land and people to this monster because he has the correct I think this guy makes a good point I like this guy the fact is Mauler doesn't seem to understand tradition as being a very over theme please just like edit the black bars off I know it's it's a peppy no get rid of them I have a choice why would you take that ugly get them away are you saying black isn't beautiful Jay the African American bars Jay come on Jay you're twisting my words this is these bars are never going to this is completely unfair why would you insinuate that I'm a racist when that's clearly not my intention anyone who does that is clearly just that's your opinion it's pretty easy to understand Disney's superhero film or it's just irrelevant to him because he doesn't frame his criticisms around notions of theme what the film may be trying to communicate how an objective aspect of the film such as the fact that T'Challa lets Kilmonger fire even if it might mean him gaining the throne does not an objective flaw make it does I'm highlighting that the mother says in the scene don't as in don't accept the challenge as in you actually have the ability to do said thing and T'Challa is like no I'm going to do it and so I'm sitting there like T'Challa if you win great if you lose your entire society and the world is going to get destroyed why risk that when you can choose no you rem and this guy's response is you don't understand that it's a part of the theme is the theme being fucking stupid it's like a meme it's like it's not a criticism if it's related to the theme it's my argument about the theme clashing with the narrative they address this later and they just do not understand the argument simply because you personally wouldn't make that choice it's not about if I would make it it's about to T'Challa not making it humans are not logical can't expect characters to behave logically or else a film just couldn't exist you know what you guys are right there would be no conflict if everyone behaved logically just as with the infinity war video Mola exposes how his video's bloated length is a consequence only of the fact that he constantly repeats himself discusses things that have so you showed one example of me mentioning the spear more than once and that means I constantly repeat myself well and Jack you did it nothing to do with his analysis of the work thoughtlessly calls out as criticisms parts of said work which are perfectly in line with the narrative and logic of that world just explain how that one isn't and how every fucking thing you said at this video it's like not applicable to that statement but okay old or straight up makes up plot holes and so he's referring to me not getting Black Panther's name and I don't ever call that a plot hole I simply ask I simply state that we never find out why he's called Black Panther yeah this is like a break from tradition essentially but he's like you think that's a plot hole he's like nooo nooo that didn't affect the plot at all actually aww chaseface on twitter someone added him and said anyone defending this Mola person is embarrassing themselves for the whole world to see you guys are amazing we are amazing who's saying that I don't know that it's because I can only see it in discord it's from Perry Rinaldo Singletary Jr so take that as you will I agree we are awesome we are so we are so we're pretty excellent thank you I accept the compliment happily and you're correct we are pretty fucking we are the tits I agree with that statement too yeah I like these statements I'm not defending Mola I'm just here to prove it my own channel at the end and not because it's offering him the chance of a deeper analysis once again we get as what is deep jack shallow reading in which a man on the internet angrily explains it's like not shallow oh okay I get it these things in a film that may or not be bad may or may not come with an argument as to why they're bad but certainly if you listen to the tone of his voice we know how he feels it's all of that can be applied to this video and it's so much worse because at least I'm attacking a movie and that I'm using references that are provable from the movie while you've you've taken another person's work out of context to prove something about them that's not true this is why Wolf was doing the whole subhuman thing probably it's not cool to do this to another person it's it's actually mean it is indicative of one's character and their principle it's not just a mean it's like I don't respect you as a person if you do that I can't fuck what the fuck you dumbass movie it's just oh here's a long boring summary of what happens in movie and I pick out things in this that make it bad it's really important they ride rhinos in Wakanda movie loses points for that I don't think I ever said movie loses points for that I just point out I don't do a conclusion other than ranting that I think the movie is fucking terrible I'm pretty sure but fuck we don't need to get into the rhino criticism I mean I would say when you criticize something that is something that you considered the movie well he's implying the cinema sins thing again arbitrary numbers adding up to something and for me I'm more just pointing out all the things that I think are wrong or bad or inconsistent or whatever hang on I'm sorry I'm sorry did you just say that I'm not cinema sins I'm just pointing out all the things I think are wrong when the video series is literally called everything wrong with well I don't I don't do I said they don't count Moeller Moeller I don't do numbers that's not okay I don't do numbers long man bad no so someone said subhuman doesn't seem accurate because no animal or mentally handicapped person would do something like this that literally implies that it's Elm like mentally handicapped people are subhuman couldn't it be argued medically that they'd be subhuman as in they they are I don't want to go down this route I think midgets are subhuman because they're lower and I think they're subhuman because they live in the ground they live in the ground live in their hobbit holes well do we can we like make an exception for Peter Dinklage he was very he was very big in infinity that's true that is very true he's big if you like lay down right in Moeller don't go there dude you'll lose your channel for sure yeah it's literally about how you define sub or below less than the standard you know healthy but subhuman is typically used as an insult to be like you're below the respect of a human so I understand I take it back someone pointed out rags you're a doggo listen obviously I choose to be down here actually so I can be more aware of my surroundings secondly I was joking about the dwarves I have many many good friends who are dwarves and they're wonderful wonderful people my best friend is a dwarf yeah shout out to all my all my dwarf friends I love dwarves I love dwarves because I used to take a train that had a dwarf on it sometimes so now wait a minute Mahler hey dwarves take up less space on the train there's that's good to have dwarves around I say I say more dwarves look I know dwarves dwarves are my favorite no one loves dwarves more than me I'm gonna say hide away has pointed this out so far the video is mostly about mollus rant videos why when people having problems with mollus critique series the actual long videos yeah because the rage ones and the praise ones are both lower than an hour yeah he doesn't go after what you what the example should be if he's trying to make his point as coherently as possible he's going after Eric is targeting the critique series that's the interesting part we're coming back to Eric in a second and he has more relevant things to say someone said rags name the dwarf as well name the dwarf name the dwarf oh listen uh no I feel like I I don't want to do that to him he's a nice guy he likes to lay low so I I don't want to you know I don't want to really put him out there like that that's that's a low that's a low blow rags a low joke I hate to be so short with this kind of I just feel like it needs to be said important they ride rhinos in Wakanda movie loses points for that in this movie doesn't matter if the villain's motivations are entirely inconsistent there are no can you justify that yeah justify that claim go for it yeah please justify that claim I'm curious good thing bad I really like people who are definitive how can he criticize you for saying thing bad at this point oh man that's tough that's tough also so this is going to be a quote where I I'm talking to wolf about how I like it when there's references for things and you fully explain yourself to me that's gold and obviously the contradiction would be you don't do that in your rage and praise videos and I'd be like you're right I don't yeah that's why they're rage and praise videos that they have their own names things bad thing yep I really like people who are definitive and they have strong evidence that shits gold it's like yes you put in the work instead of just going well if you look at this over here from this angle in this way and then look at this part in the film as well then it's pretty good right it's like we can insult Mahler's content all we like you can try you can try I don't really see that much value and just dunking on someone like there has to be at least a bit of insight so with that in mind I'd like to bring your attention to a certain time stamp it's 52 minutes and 20 seconds into part three of Mahler's I'd like to remind you guys I'm already feeling better with Eric on screen and I know that sounds ridiculous it's just because his take is just so much less retarded than Jack's Eric's baby photo on his when does it say buyer's mark his buyer's mark buyer's mark mark market buyer's mark I I got nothing buyer someone said he was sloths back everyone's referencing you will try of Mahler's critique of the last Jedi I mentioned this part because that's when he's done explaining the entire film and excruciating detail but you might be wondering how does he continue talking for an hour after that and he when he's done explaining the movie well as it turns out like that's the good part like the first four hours was just a massive lumbering preamble this portion starting at 52 sorry we're gonna we're gonna let that one we've addressed him talking about that I'm gonna let that one pass Eric is he trying to compliment me here and I appreciate it two minutes and 20 seconds into part three of Mahler's the last Jedi critique is truly a master work it's I think he's being facetious there but I actually do think that he thinks that it's actually good stuff in that part so we can take that folks thumbs up yay it's such a condensed sequence of spicy takes that it makes the first bit seem like it's just you seem confused as to what to do with your hands a little bit yeah um so like he doesn't see the value in having the bits of the beginning when I'm gonna do the summary anyway and I understand how you reach that point but as me and I think Jay we're talking about at the beginning of the stream or near it the purpose of the stuff before the summary is is evidence and there's explanations in there too yeah it's definitely not just a summary there's calling it just a summary would be I would say incredibly bad faith because I mean even if you disagree with the points you're making during that time there are clearly points being made like he's weeding out all the casuals now that I've told you that you can just no I think your videos are very approachable weeding out the casuals okay the useless garbage and get to the stuff that matters and I recommend you do because it provides a lot of insight into how Mahler views his craft but also we don't have all day so I'll give you the short version if there's one thing that can be taken away from this it's that Mahler sees airtight storytelling as the the the absolute most important thing to strive for when you're when you're making a movie if say you ever had to make a choice between logical consistency or bolstering some other aspect of the of the work see I just needed to be more specific with that claim I'd be like when are those two things opposed to each other instead of working together I would be I just need you know but like I'll let him go for that one I would say that you're not saying you're not saying don't do this do that you're saying do both yes 100% you ever had to make a choice between logical consistency or bolstering some other aspect of the of the work you always always always choose logical consistency for an example of this if you let sure would you go it's the last Jedi by saying that it has a strong theme of failure and progression that would be a motif go back to Bill George you can win pay rise a theme can be defined as a motif it gets in that it gets into semantics though and I don't know if we want to go there like I'll just get down off my high horse well the problem is people will tell you you don't know what a theme means and then you check the definition and then they go that's not what a theme means and you're like oh my god help my brain what do you mean by theme argumentative misfire because in his words the themes go against the logical consistency like some logical consistency had to be sacrificed in order to include it I wouldn't put it that way logical consistency was sacrificed for the theme I would say that the way in which they execute this story they didn't realize that they were sending conflicting messages the theme is made very clear by Yoda so we know what it is we have the statement failure the best teacher is or whatever it is and then you like look at the events in the film and you have characters that are not failing and we're being told that they are and then they learn lessons that put them in worse positions and so it's just confusing it's apparently applicable that Rey failed to convert Kylo to the light side and it's like what do you mean she just went there she for some reason thought that that he was a good guy and then it turns out he was a neutral guy which is better than bad but then her refusing to hang out with him makes him evil again it's so like what are you trying to say film what do I say to this well most if not all plot lines and character developments we just went over for the last four hours don't make sense they weren't supported by the previous films nor were they well executed they simply happened the best example being Poe's he didn't fail throughout the movie when you actually consider his actions Finn only failed because the writer decided that a bb unit saw his team things like this forced me to come to the conclusion that yes why did he just throw me in there forced forced diversity get it oh okay oh yeah most video was getting yours with shit Eric I don't know why I don't know why you want to remind people love that but all right you're that yes Ryan Johnson wanted this theme and he shoehorned events to make it happen but this makes the writing even worse he put a theme over the characters over the plot to force the characters around the theme to make you think about it on your own personal I guess I did kind of say that I just need to qualify what I what I say there in case anybody's not getting it it's it's just that um the idea of theme comes above everything else and makes the movie perfect even if nothing makes sense in relation to the theme when themes are especially the nature but a lot of themes can be so broad and poorly defined and they can pretty much be kind of just summoned into existence by the way you want to interpret things like anything could be the theme or anything might not be because it's just so ethereal in a way I don't particularly hold themes myself to be like up there in terms of a movie's importance because of that I just think it's a really low sort of bar I like talking about themes once once all the things that are great about the movie have sort of been made clear and then the theme is like the icing on the cake in terms of look a whole this connects when you really step back look at the lesson that the film is trying to tell us through all of these events while other people would be like as long as there's a good theme the movie was good it's icing not cake it's a thing you can have a good theme and like a logically coherent plot those two things are actually exclusive instead of fights the theme to appear more intellectual although he seems to think that a theme is just noticing that a thing happens a lot which is an odd way of looking at it like there's a part in the video where he just completely shoots down the entire idea of interpreting themes by picking a word from a so it's the my point is to shoot down the entire idea it's that the theme is so arbitrary in The Last Jedi in terms of how you apply it you can apply anything to it and that's not the case for every movie it's not the case for every story but The Last Jedi people are desperate to apply themes to it in order to defend it and I try to prove that and I would say if that's not what he thinks themes are tell us what themes are yeah it'd be nice to know what he considers to be themes if he's yeah see you got to keep them ethereal and floaty and out there but I mean if like if I was doing a video response to somebody now and they said you are this or you are not that this is not that and I would be like okay well you're gonna have to tell me what you mean then or just at least explain where I've misstepped maybe I'm on point but I've missed a certain detail of interpreting themes by by picking a word from a hat for for his example it was resurrection and then pointing out all the times that something someone or something resurrects during the film like uh-huh this is equally arbitrary therefore themes are bullshit nearly there see you so close equally arbitrary therefore is bullshit in this movie but themes in general I love themes and they can be measured mechanically and emotionally for what it does for you personally um that you get then example would just be like some guy who's like heavy into how capitalism is destroying the world or whatever there's a movie where where a guy is wearing two boots and he's and they're very worn and he goes uh so that's tying into the theme because it's worn workman shoes is to try and imply that the working man is kind of beaten down by the one percent having benefited off it while he can't even afford new shoes and then you find out that that character is actually not working and that those shoes are ones that he just casually put on they belong to his dad or something and you're like this doesn't really really apply what you just said is more interpretation more subjective it's got no mechanical reference and that's how I look at themes and I consider it both important you tell me that you've drawn something out of a text that I don't even think is there mechanically it doesn't matter if it's a subjective argument if you're talking about what it means to you because I'm not I can't take that away from you and I wouldn't want to that is my take Kylo allows the dark side in him to falter and resurrect part of the light Poe resurrects the part of him that wants to maintain the cause rather than trying to be a hero Leia is resurrected by the force I don't know the whole failure thing wasn't just people pointing out that characters fail like I thought a pretty big part of it was that Kylo Ren doesn't learn from his mistakes like the mistakes that he made in the Force Awakens and I think you have to try really hard to staple that into the theme because Kylo is so confusing when you try and look at him consistently in terms of his choices he's not on a he's not on a path he's zigzagging all around who knows what he'll be film again our our thing you're not allowed to vote for Kylo in our thing because he's gonna be the most inconsistent pretty much as a guarantee so we have to boot him out just continues to fail while everyone else just moves on I don't know it's worth talking about though so um I talk about it in the video a lot and he's and he said it's worth talking about though I agree with you Eric and I feel like I did so yeah I'm already sure how you came to that conclusion but okay anyways the same argument is used to to discredit people who say that the visual splendor of the last Jedi is a selling point the term style over substance is used next up would be the phrase style over substance this is of course in reference to the idea that you put your eye candy before your writing films like speed racer enter the void transformers 300 and avatar are also used as examples in this sort of genre if you can call it that some of those examples are far worse than others but you get the point the last Jedi has a strong pattern of style over substance let's go through a few so you know what I'm talking about phasma disappears and then reappears in smoke making no sense but it looks imposing the hyperspace jump makes no sense in universe but it looks incredible the destruction of the bridge on the radis makes no sense but it looks impactful the barma ships make no sense but they reference world war two bombers which looks for reference people this is in my summary so you if you would disagree with any of my takes on these all of my evidence and breakdown is in the plot summary part for all of these yep that is the purpose of it yeah each of those things is talked about individually yeah striking phasma falling into a sudden pit of fiery death makes no sense but it looks intense and furthermore I don't understand how you can watch that and come to the conclusion that you're saying the visuals don't matter like you spoiled it jay but no you're right so yeah point being writing is sacrificed in favor of creating engaging visuals or I don't know well-composed impactful imagery I guess as a winner you could have good writing and striking imagery don't sacrifice either of those things to add to the other yeah you can you can just strive for both that uh and along with all this uh he claims that stuff like visual splendor doesn't even matter it doesn't matter compared to the when talking about writing all right and I think he's about to show a clip of this just listen to what I say because it's just gonna age and it takes money to generate imagine what the end result of this film would have been without the money behind it to fund the actors the set pieces and the CGI these things don't matter in the grand scheme not even the assets poached from star wars as a franchise they do not matter to the writing the effects will age the shots will age every choice will age writing and storytelling is timeless I agree he says doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter compared to the writing so yeah the if I don't disagree that there's room to interpret that I'm saying that our visuals don't matter I think that's just a poor take when I've said that and that the more likely take would be that I'm saying that these things don't matter to writing quality which is intrinsic in the writing is writing and those things are visuals but visuals do matter in films I would never have said that visuals do not matter I think that's a pretty stupid thing to say this is honestly just a bewildering way of looking at film like I know there's a lot of online media critics who really value logical consistency perhaps a little too much but too much I haven't seen anyone else say that it is like straight up the only thing that can ever make a film good and everything else is just because I haven't said it either you still not heard that he would say it it's a distraction you know you can just read a book right like how can visuals be neutral in a visual medium are they neutral are they are they neutral or do they not matter what about books with pictures in them Eric also I was just about to say the medium when you read them I am I kind I mostly agree with his counter argument to the straw man he created down straw man you go you were a bad argument and it's an especially strange critique to level at star wars of all things which is as far as I can tell is a series that is mostly known for its imagery that's why I like them no no no imagery and visuals aren't necessarily the same thing at all I would say it's more known for its characters um known everywhere complicated question but I would say that star wars is fucking amazing because of great characters and an incredible use of special effects for its time it's it's iconic just for like everything in it isn't it pretty much kind of very few parts of the mute the soundtrack of star wars is incredibly iconic the world building is like now it is amazing world building the characters visually and other considered you know incredibly iconic characters I know I phrase that really well you know I I I agree with you but um first and foremost of what I think makes the that makes it strong would be the characters but I mean what is it best known for it's a complicated question Darth Vader you could immediately recognize him just a silhouette and like a single line of his dialogue he is iconic for basically everything or just his breathing you don't need to have him talking he's iconic like with the things he says the sounds he makes and the way he looks essentially trifecta someone say what about comics so every medium has different standards it's every craft right comic book writing would be different compared to script writing even though I think they would share a lot of similar things considering even then I mean I've read some really great comics with really great writing yeah berserk I mean I know it's a whatever manga like it's still a comic his counter is like that's so it's great his counter is like I'm looking at movies as if they just books or something and I'm just like no there would be different standards but he's this is the thing I can see how he got here and it sucks that he got here because I think that he was like a seconds away from understanding what I was actually saying in a visual medium and it's an especially strange critique to level at Star Wars of all things which as far as I can tell is a series that is mostly known for its imagery that's why I like yeah I can't say it's mostly known for its imagery I would be like it's mostly known for Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker probably at the peak I'd say the most iconic thing from Star Wars as far as I'm as far as like you know my understanding would be I am your father that is I don't know what do you guys think of that alone true oh yeah that's like one of the most recognizable musical compositions ever so yeah yeah it complicated but I mean we'll let him go for that them like I saw them without any nostalgia goggles and I thought they were great like I I had a really good time with with the imagery I thought it looks and felt really nice it had an ambience to it and it also had huge ass emotional set pieces and and I loved it all and that's also why I didn't really like the Force Awakens because it felt a little Jedi themes what the cool the last Jedi does have striking imagery and huge emotional set pieces you can't say it doesn't have those yeah we've I think I've spoken to someone else about this I was like to say it has an emotional set piece I'd be like sure if that is your standard then I can understand why you would feel that way about the film yeah whether or not it's a strong emotional set piece or a weak one that's another conversation I mean they I guess they tried the things again that you have to for some people the fact that there are writing errors won't react from the emotion they feel when they're watching the scene I don't personally empathize with that but clearly there are people maybe there are people clearly there are people okay clearly there are people I don't like the Force Awakens did they cut out there is that yeah we know what you said though it's not a rule I agree some people will clap at anything comparison it felt very standard it didn't it didn't have the ambience and in turn that's why I liked the last Jedi because there are some shots in that movie that are gonna be remembered alongside like genuine question does this feel a little bit more like he's actually trying to share how he feels as opposed to manipulate something yes and I'm like for a moment that's why I'm like more pulled into this because I'm like you're not trying to fuck with me thank you you're just actually just talking for a bit and it's not to say that Eric hasn't fucked up previously because he absolutely has it's just that this is so refreshing in this video this portion it's just like oh thank christ does um what is um what does jack think about the last Jedi does he like it probably dude probably because yeah the fact that you said probably I'm thinking is there a way that Eric could have come out and said that he thought it was terrible and awful I don't know out into the the double sunset in a new hope like there's just so much emotional content in some of the events that happen in that movie some of the images that are shown on screen and that might explain why I didn't mind so much that the bombers were designed in practically but here's the skinny Mahler has heard all of this in a critique of the last Jedi part three Mahler implies that that argument and arguments like it are an attempt to shield the film from criticism like he makes up a hypothetical episode nine where like just would you say the way he made it there was attempting to shield the film from criticism no he was making subjective arguments yeah he he said he acknowledged that this could be considered a flaw and then goes on to say but I liked it because I don't prioritize things like that personally I don't know if he knows that's fine with me yeah but we we have encountered people and we constantly do who make nonsensical arguments in order to defend the film like there are people who will say that same thing and then go see the film isn't fucking bad and you're like well no you just ditched that on the end like you can still objectively qualify loads of things in the movie that are flawed you can't just say but I don't care about those and then say the movie is good because of that a hypothetical episode nine where like everything is like completely off the wall like all all the threads are dropped it's hilarious honestly all right it's time once and for all to destroy this argument what if the ninth episode of the series opens with Luke saying lol I'm sleepy I guess and he jumps wearing only a nappy into space he chops every last death star star destroyer etc in half and kicks the supremacy he then stands on the sun and says Kylo you must return to the Jedi because they are actually okay and really cool and so Kylo does would that be something you consider bad because if you did if you said to me that this is terrible writing do you know what I'd say back to you you don't search for logic in a star wars movie a movie full of laser weapons noisy explosions in space and little muppets running around you need to remember that this is a movie first with visual it's practically an argument from principle it's like pretty much yeah wait it's trying to find people's limits yeah what's the line for you yeah once there's that line that's established well now they have to qualify the line and they can't it's not based on principle it's based on feeling exactly that's the point full metaphor and not a documentary about real things happening in space and really this just speaks to Mahler's utter narrow mind are you gonna answer the question you're not even gonna answer the question are you Eric he called me narrow minded that counts rags you're not even gonna answer the question are you Eric and really this just speaks to Mahler's utter narrow mindedness when it comes to her like the only way a film can be good or bad is based on how airtight the script is and if you apply that there are other ways to judge a film then he says you just don't have standards at all that's a good straw man like come on Eric wow oof why didn't he just answer the question Eric if it was my video I would have answered Mahler's question so like your everyone has a standard that they use called this is a subjective one where you go this movie is something I like and I based that on how much I liked it that's all that is a standard so for me to say you don't have any standards if you tell me I just I don't know I just kind of like the movie and I based that on how much I enjoyed it I'd be like yeah that's fine but if you say I don't know I think the movie is very well crafted in terms of a film because I liked it I'd be like that's a non sequester someone said Georgie's trying to kill himself to escape this living hell yeah it's okay to think that a movie is well crafted because you like it but argument you can assume that because you like something it was probably well made like that's a reasonable assumption you can assume it but if you state it it's different against it but you couldn't yeah you shouldn't state state that definitively based on that evidence but if you can't show it I think it was probably like I'm all or if I were to say always addressing us if I was to mention like a movie in passing and say just oh uh I think it was probably quite good objective because I well I really liked it so I assume that means it's good and then I wasn't trying to make any real points about it I would say that would be fine I will agree with Arco that Georgie has the best arguments in this video consistently the best arguments Wolf and rags too oh I jumped ahead a little bit oh and rags ways to judge a film wait friend wait friend says you just don't have standards at all hi mauler and probably wolf and rags too if you're watching he didn't say hi to jay then I have a couple of film recommendations that I'd like to give you because oh god oh boy well I'd like to have a discussion about these things I do not want to do it exclusively in reference to the last Jedi I hope you understand yeah you can't win that one mate he said he's not exclusively implying that he would be willing to so first on the docket is a film called funny games any of you guys seen this no no never what do you think I've seen it and uh I thought it was all right but if you want me to see it again to have like a coherent thing to say about it I guess I could watch it again but um I've got nothing to say about it definitively right now I just what I remember is that it's like neighbors when two people are moving in I think chin out to like capture them and put the like arrest them into their house and then weird things happen but I that's my memory cut completely I'd have to watch the film again sure to to get the American version like usually remakes are worse but this is a director remaking his own work and actually improving on it in a lot of ways second is a film called sorry to bother you came out um I have not seen that I've never heard of it never heard of it last year now and the last film I'd like you to check out is called under the skin have you guys seen that I've never heard of it nope I've seen it and I really like it um but I can guess why he's chosen it it could be argued as an art house film or an artsy film that's all you need but I I got a couple artsy films for Eric well I was gonna say that does artsy mean cannot be quantified objectively in which I would disagree vehemently I have some I have objective arguments for why under the skin is good those last few film recommendations sir yeah no these are just recommendations we don't know why he's doing this but my assumption is that he's gonna enjoy trying to listen to me break these films down objectively perhaps I'm not sure but under the skin is more than possible and I quite like that movie it's a it's creepy and strange but it made sense yes I am in fact giving you homework but um if you want to you can you can give us some film recommendations too if you like we've already been doing homework for the past seven hours I would like to give you loads of film recommendations Teeth Black Panther Catwoman 2004 The Emoji Movie Teeth is genuinely the best movie ever made Bodemic and Bodemic too watch them out of order because it makes more sense that way what are some more amazing movies for them to watch I actually got three unironic examples um Pans Labyrinth The Grey and The Road three of my favorite movies ever I liked The Grey and I liked The Road I was gonna say I like all three of them but uh I mean legitimately if you want some movie recommendations for me the problem is like I I need to know the criteria am I just recommending a film I like or am I recommending a film that's supposed to assist in some form of an argument Thor the Dark World yeah Thor the Dark World I don't know think are underrated that we haven't seen that would help your points underrated that I think they may not have seen that would help my points The Last Jedi is all I need to prove my points The Post and St. Spirits of the Way in the chat is objectively correct um because the points it's a theoretical statement right so if my points work with The Last Jedi the idea is that they work within how movies function all that all the standards so there is no movie at can't apply to and you might be like well I just don't see how that could apply to and then names a movie and I'd be like so you need me to watch that movie and then have a conversation with you of how it would be broken down I guess and it's like I don't know that it's a do you know what I mean like it's like why would it be fair for me to do that for someone's just on the the assumption that they just want to understand how the system works when I'm trying to imply that you should be able to grasp it from just how broken down The Last Jedi so I don't know that it would ever be something you would grasp you know I mean it's kind of like a is not a useless endeavor for me um I'm happy to talk about movies with responsibilities something like that I'm happy to discuss movies with with Eric but um the criteria there that I need to pick one that'll prove my points whatever I'm like every movie works so I I'll just pick I'll watch yours I suppose but this is this is assuming they even want to talk to us which is a questionable thing considering I don't understand just I was going to say considering how this video is gone like how dreadful this is and how we felt about it so I don't know what's going to happen oh Jay I need to ask you something no no yes they should watch do you not do you not agree with me that they should watch they should watch what well no the problem is that they think it would be good because they have terrible opinions on everything Jay I need to ask you something how in the hell have you seen Spirited Away but you haven't seen literally anything else because it's one of my friends favorite childhood films and she recommended it to me Adam if you've seen Spirited Away but you haven't seen stand by me the Shawshank Redemption degree he needs to see um gladiator the last samurai do you know what I think the podcast is missing is more lists of films I haven't seen I think that um yeah should I should I pull up the the rest of the movies I have so that I can ask you more Eric okay the point is Eric you should watch God's Not Dead that's the one that it that is the one that's the one the only movie you need honestly it'll do stuff for your magic spirit all right um if I come on to EFAP I'm gonna turn this out oh oh oh sorry let's let's make sure we get the full quote here okay if I come on to EFAP and it turns out you haven't seen any of these uh I'm just gonna step right the fuck all right then you have to watch the gray the road in pairs and arrival I'm also gonna step out of rags is there I'm also gonna step out of rags is there that's what he said oh well as you're aware that they've now agreed so you could be here if you're silent and we're not taking that either yeah it's fucking retarded um tree rags like a human being please and you could be like you don't do that for us like why would we learn to live as I get yeah we we absolutely have after this video why would we have any inclination to yeah so the the standards will be uh you me and wolf will be the primary people talking and rags will cut it when he feels he wishes to but it's not like if you want it to be that it's you're addressing me and wolf specifically then rags can be here and rags can cut in if he feels like he has something relevant to say like that that would be our would you guys be okay with that I mean I'll be here and speak when I have something to say but that's I know this is ridiculous but rags will speak when he wants to speak if that's if that's unacceptable I don't know what to tell you yeah um then you need to grow up is what you need to why would you treat rags as a human being when he literally self that's true and the reason I self-identify is that it's because um I am one deep down on every level including physical please don't humanize rags don't humanize me how fucking dare you how dare you I will make the barking meme noises I swear to God I will because I still kind of liked his section so much more than rags because it's just that's not what we said and we still did that because it's he's got another section coming uh just clarification speaking of that that section it's coming up on an hour and a half since we said an hour ago we're gonna keep going or I'm gonna I want to nail this in one stream but I don't expect you guys to to stay obviously that would be applicable to Jay as well because I got up and I hopped on the stream so I need to eat and such I honestly have a headache after all of this it's all good what I will do is put out some feelers to see who can act as replacements I think we'll have at least another hour to go on this bring in Fring Daddy G if I um oh I'll go ahead and I'll just mute myself because when I'm done I can hop back in I just I can't I need to eat I gotta get something in me yeah maybe I'll do that too I really just need to eat and like stand up walk around because I I pretty much woke up and it's a nice toasty three degrees outside I can maybe stick my bald head in the snow and maybe that'll it looks like it will be das bo shit and smud boy potentially which are the two that came on together before oh chaseface is offering as well so that's three potential fill-ins um well I will I'll hop I'll leave the call I'll still be in the room though so you could always message me here okay okay and do you want to do this I'll just mute myself I was gonna say the thing is if we have a potential two or three people join it's gonna stack up the visual gotcha okay are you saying that visuals are more important than um the actual content yeah the content of our character yeah that's not a I don't consider you people are you a structuralist is that what you are my god Mauler and it is Martin Luther King junior day how dare you no it's not not for me it's gone now well it is in America the only country so it's only let me see what the time is I I can't believe it is fucking 8 52 p.m that's incorrect factually it's 9 52 for me oh boy it's 2 52 shut up counted uh B.J. what's your plans um well I literally had to um and this may sound confusing set an alarm to get up early for this dream despite the fact in my time zone it started at 8 p.m I can understand that uh but what what is your longevity expected to be I can essentially go as long as I need to since all right I literally don't need to sleep for a good 10 hours which means it'll be me J I I can't I don't want it to be five people so it's chase mud or death bullshit how do I choose pull names out of a hat chat chat if you want uh put the name change fight mud boy wait chase is one uh smud boy is two and death bullshit is three chat can vote and we'll go by what J thinks is there the the most by what J thinks is there the most I don't see a lot of gerunds that's that's just a lot of numbers man that is hard to figure out isn't it type j for jared I saw a lot of twos you can make a I'm just doing control after see what there is the best you know I can only do a straw poll yeah it'll take just a second to set one out that's the most threes I feel so inhumane doing this but I mean I can't think of any fair way to choose all right we've got a negative shot of spoken J for jared J for jared J so much of J okay wait J's already here Georgie all right um my offer is they can come on e-fat but only if you're there if jordie Georgie can be their third one uh fine okay so this is gonna work right yeah okay the poll is going well vote on the poll wolf god why do I have to vote put straw poll in description not chat that's a clever idea person who said that yeah because it's scrolling too fast for me to go there it is now in description once you scroll up once you scroll up it doesn't scroll anymore yeah you'll be fine once you do that and it'll only be for a moment so everybody vote on who you want in you can it's multiple choice I'm gonna vote for all three and then look at the results okay uh J before I leave um swiss army man no blades of glory no hand cock yes i robot yes napoleon dynamite no have you not I've already will smith films you haven't seen wanted to stop there are a lot of us with funds what about night crawler oh damn I mean I haven't I definitely haven't seen after earth that's that's okay that's okay that's racist uh galaxy quest yes the way way back no school of rock actually I love Jane have you seen um have you seen tombstone no no okay I like it too kingsman the secret service I have seen both of them fat boys no robin hood men and tights no the perfect storm no Cinderella man no being imagine no all right have you no jaws no the ring no shindler's list no the future wait what really that wasn't like required I mean I watched that bike in high school apparently no I had to watch the dead boat society I went to high school in Germany okay uh the fugitive uh no hook no cast away no you've already asked me that guys the vote all right so smud boy is absolutely in the lead but the other two are like neck and neck like literally one vote between them oh boy it's close they're both at 30% okay what you're gonna have to do is you're gonna have to say like all right in 20 seconds voting's done and then you just pause it and I'll just take a screenshot and then I'll let you know all right all right that's fair enough so we're close I'm gonna post it one more time we are closing the voting in 2019 the results on the screen 18 17 all right jay red dawn 15 19 14 the Truman Show 13 12 no oh my name's black that's really happen with us absolutely I've seen all 9 9 8 8 8 I think 7 7 6 7 5 5 4 oh no 3 10s labyrinth 2 2 1 no that's way off all right we have all right we have here are the results shut your pie hole all right so number one is smud boy with 184 votes number two no I don't have anything to beat oh I'm looking at it right now no it's a das bo shit is number two and he only won he has 150 he has 146 votes and he only won by four votes yeah and those two keep telling so um the consolation prize would be I'll totally bring a chase face on to an e-fap at some point in the future because I feel bad that he came so close but I just don't want to be too stacked up he's just sitting in bed right now like oh look at these crying I don't really want to come on tonight all right let me ask one more I'm so glad that the front person didn't get a really old jay when will the last one before I go all right my friend is asking me if you have seen no country for old men I have that's what I saw in school wait did you bring oh never mind I was about to say it's like you brought everybody after all hell yeah well see this is the thing once ragged a tonaled loke go we'll have four yeah we'll have four and it's just that if we bring in chase as well we'll have five and I don't know does everyone think that could work haven't that been something for his expectations to bring a bit we did five once and it was because doomcock was only available for a small amount of time but things got confused and scheduling and we had five people for like an hour I think right so I think we should bring on no bullshit no no it's my audio okay by the way I know we had a problem earlier oh it's a lot of people as a joke no I can't think of anyone else that is the link that you may require oh thank you well I shall be leaving very well said so thank you so much and I wanted to say thanks to rags but he's gone already so I'll just have to be in and later but uh thanks for hanging out for you know six hours and 41 minutes yeah so jay is going to beat that record the second you leave hey I was done that eight hour stream with that's true that's true also before the stream started I was I was here before you so oh yeah there's all these different tiebreaker things hey hey I'm the better friend he calls me for movies like three times a week well I don't have to come back to that I just said well exactly all right see ya noodles bye um Jay you're the overseer could we survive five people or not oh sure I don't I don't see why not jay that's not an overseer thing to say you have to be definitive um yeno god damn it yes like my guilt is getting to be I I kind of want Chase to be out just because the fact that he came so close that it's just I'm going to bring him in I'm going to say like that was a nail biter dude I'm gonna say bring his ass in we can't we can survive it but if it goes wrong then we can't okay during so so just just to be clear I'm all for this unless it goes badly unless it goes bad that makes sense I mean we had this number during the major leafing we did but it was a little bit chaotic like there was a bit of like everyone wants to speak on something it's tough with five I can talk to the boys hey you are very quiet my god how long I'm probably not gonna say a ton because I'm not intimately acquainted with Muller's original video but I will be here for psycho analysis can you boost the microphone all of his videos yeah you're very soft is this better that's slightly better find a way to fix it you're way too quiet because you're on 200 percent for me weird if I do it anymore I'll kind of be peaking is that okay go back down like just just slowly turn it while talking and then I'll tell you how to start I'm talking and I'm going a little bit down I'm going down incrementally and right there that should be good okay cool I'll just change it if I need to and then yeah so yeah that's fine that's the link we are 39 minutes into this debauchery what do you think of it people who have just arrived here so uh I guess go from left to right that's closure what do you think well um I'm actually surprised you still doing it because I was watching it like I came in late so I had to just kind of watch it as it was going and I was pretty sure by the time I was done that it was going to be over but we're still here it's pretty awesome but anyway on the subject of the actual videos yeah this is frustrating this is very frustrating and I love to be a part of this all right smell you next up oh geez I wanted to be in this from the start I actually messaged you as soon as I woke up I was like I gotta get into this because I saw you guys just streaming I was gonna be Thursday I was like what are you doing I actually missed that PM for a while and you saw it as of looking for extra guests because I never look at PMs once I've started streaming it's my it's my era but you've been watching it since it started have you oh well I took a break for for dinner and whatnot but geez it was I was like it was driving because I was rewatching it last night we were talking about it yesterday too I was like I'm gonna do a video about this and I kept listening to it's like no this is really specific to you and Rags I'm like oh I do this I'm gonna be like kind of defending you you don't need me to defend you you're totally fine doing it yourself and it would just be a waste really so that's why I wanted to go I've just been I've just been bickering with what was the name Jack on Twitter because the way he goes about his very smug points is just kind of embarrassing he was really digging in his feet and I was just trying to ask him okay why don't you want Rags to be there he's like because it wouldn't be even I said okay well are you saying that they wouldn't be respectful of you and that they would just like be a bunch of hype men as he put it and start like ragging on you upon intended and uh he just he just kept kind of repeating himself and I was just like well I don't really think it's a good look to just keep taking like these cheap immature potshots on Twitter like how does that make you look good just makes you look really fucking unreasonable plus the people who aren't watching they're probably missing a lot of context and wondering what the hell he's talking about well yeah this this stream is going to be for as a as a definitive take and you might be like oh they all it goes taking a 15 minute video into however long the sense of being I'll just be like well yeah people keep people keep falling back on the lazy oh his response video is going to be five hours like that's as easy as he would say that's not an argument yeah and it's like so um yeah that's also a problem because it's going to be like 12 if I think anyone who talks to him directly like anyone who uses objective observations and talks about objectivity versus subjectivity we're going to give him every reasonable doubt whatever he wants to say and we're going to evaluate his facts and that's it or anyone would do that rags would do that I would do that anyone here would yeah exactly I'm not interested in attacking him or anything like that I just think if you make a lazy video that misrepresent somebody I think it's fair to dispute that so if he's watching and he remembers me as the annoying cunt from Twitter Jack I don't hate you I just think you're really fucking annoying and uh I wanted to I really do want him to come on and talk to you guys because I genuinely think it would be a very enlightening exchange but he seems a hell bent on refusing you know after doing anything he can to avoid that for some reason which I suspect is because he thinks maybe he'll be humiliated on a live stream well this entire video this entire video one of the most aggravating things to watch like we saw another two hour video that someone made which the arguments were so bad and in the whole title of this video is that it's long and not deep like that's the exact example of something that's long and just not even worthwhile to watch so this kind of video is is like part truth and part misconstruing and out of context you just it's very aggravating that Mahler whomever made this long video to explain things in detail and to not derive any sort of meaning out of that is like are you are you listening to those words and then when they literally cut video clips out of context you're like okay now I know you're not listening to those words you're just saying this for the sake of arguments and that's not how you should form an argument that's not how you should talk to someone it's like if I was Mahler I'd be kind of like Jesus this is got to be addressed and well that's why I got the references ahead of time and it seems to have really dispelled it like showing the clips as they were originally and then showing what they came away with is telling as fuck and also you know you get to the point where it's really hard to say like so this was just an accident right they made a mistake it's like hmm I don't know if we generous to say it but I mean not out of the realm of possibility they had an editor if they had a third opinion or I don't know someone else who was like hey who actually liked your stuff and said and there were some guys in the comments who said hey this isn't a good this is probably the best attempt and I'm like yeah I guess it is but it's still pretty bad so um I mean it's a pity that Wolf and Rags on you to answer this question but it's just like is this better or worse than TRO's video and I probably be like I think it's worse um there's more misrepresentations in this than there is in the TRO one because TRO is banking on the space in Rags's responses to interpret so it's like he's actually going from the text and then using it while Quinton makes a couple of blatantly bad takes on something but then when they're being an outright lie while here like it feels to me that Jack has done his very best to find any way of cherry picking and straw manning like it's like he's classically trained in that if he had actual facts that you pointed that were false and he would attack you on that that'd be great that's that'd be a great example because you're not perfect there are flaws for sure but I didn't see any of those and you even admitted to the some of them it's like well why didn't you just attack those that would be totally fine and instead we have just so much just missile not to derail us but Jack was accusing people who were you know basically calling him a coward for just sort of tucking his tail between his legs and doing everything he could to not to join you in any sort of discussion he he said those people who are he's like is this one of the straw man I heard so much about and I was just like oh you're so smug you're so smug how is that anywhere straw man I don't get that well I don't know what can we assume about his take on what a straw man even is I don't know where he clearly doesn't understand a lot about him well even with the other gentlemen they weren't defining their terms again and they keep talking about how important themes are and you're like what is a theme please tell us so we can understand you and they never got to that it's as if it's universally assumed this nebulous term is just everyone knows the first definition is true what is it no defining terms this this is like two angles to it like to ignore the terms that I've defined and then to also not even give your own defined terms it's like they do both of those things regularly so it makes it really hard to understand what they're even trying to say yeah and I was I was in the comment section of the original video still typing I think you actually have to comment in one of the the comment chains to at least three other people and they're trying to tell me about formal logic and informal logic and they're trying to define logic it's like listen he uses logic do you understand the various flavors of logic because I don't I just know the one flavor and it's the one that A follows B and V follows C and therefore A is equal to C or you know basic stuff I was like well I teach logic it's like I don't care he's not trying to teach someone logic he's trying to explain what happens in a movie and why there's a problem that's all he's doing and it was just like this bizarre back and forth and then someone was talking about the climate change I'm like okay this is going into politics now it's bizarre these people who are trying to attack us or attack you specifically about objectivity when it's just yeah it's a tool we use it's very effective and we use it and we have facts and we look at the facts and we is million favor of clarity just so that we get to the point but when you argue a thing and I'm like is that just how you feel or is that natural thing anything like that is an actual thing okay cool I can actually check it yep exactly and they don't seem to enjoy that more than the visual experience like yep that's certainly part of the experience of watching a movie or reading a book there's there are visuals there are descriptions it's not the be all it's certainly a part but there's also dialogue there's there's narration there's all sorts of other things make sure the video is actually working for everybody is that can you see Eric right now yes we can yep beautiful weirdly the chat for me like it's working for stream because it's embedded but the chat for me is broken I can't actually see it's not working right now I'm waiting for it to update and my live dashboard on the other matter the monitor is just gone like it's a white screen on the browser neither of these things are reassuring but the fact that the stream is still functioning and everyone can hear you guys and the video still works I guess I can carry on and just hope that it fixes itself while we continue yeah chat's working and everything but don't worry about super chats folks they will still be I can still access them even if the live dashboard fucks up and we'll just do every one of them at the end and obviously anybody who wants to stay is welcome to stay for any of that and as for descriptions for channels that are people that are here I'll sort that all out at the very least in post but if I can I'll update the description I think when I updated with the straw pull it like killed the live dashboard I don't know why so yes that was that was just the additional section from Eric's accent oh sorry I must have skipped ahead to yeah okay if I come on to EFAP and it turns out you haven't seen any of these I'm just gonna step right the fuck back out sorry I'm also gonna step out of rags is there oh shit all of the most recent review of 2018's predator reboot is incidentally marked with all the same issues we've seen in the last Jedi review the Black Panther review and every other extended critique a tedious summary wavering between superficial digs at things you don't like because it makes you sigh and say what the fuck and literally just saying things that happen with no real reason to remark on it and I'm not fucking kidding here guys she ends up shooting herself with the tranquilizer in her own fucking foot god really a strong female character making mistakes can't have that in today's hollywood what a take right oh yes it's a woman that's your only reason oh I hate like the concept of women an actual woman yeah never mind going line by line oh my god what were you thinking what was that what was going for so for context because I don't need to show these I can just tell you guys at this point because the other references have shown how much of a I was going to say liar let's just say how much of an incompetent person Jack is so they need the there's so much about the film the predator that is fucking awful in terms of storytelling and obviously they need the girl to be knocked out so that the team of heroes that we're with can take her back and like when she wakes up she's like what the fuck why am I here and then they break it down then she works with them so they needed to get her out of the action situation but on board with them that's your writing problem so you go how do we do this like we'll get her unconscious and then they'll pick her up to help her and then she's with them how do we do that well we could have her like you know fall off the van that she's currently on and hit her head vaguely and just knock around it's like no no she's holding a a tank gun have her shoot herself in the foot it's like what you're like she just shoots herself with the fuck I don't know you're like so she's sitting on the van with her legs in front of her trying to aim at something and they hit like a rock with the car and the van and she accidentally shoots herself wow okay yeah we'll go with that that was a fifth and so my rage videos are supposed to be me in like utter disbelief for some of these things and you'd be like you didn't explain why that's bad and I'm like oh well yeah you got me I just thought that was stupid intrinsically but like sure and the irony is that he's been doing it throughout this whole video with a lot of quotes and clips of mine but he like doesn't appreciate it when I do it about a movie as opposed to him doing it about my character it's like cool the standards are very interesting but yeah and then his take that how dare a woman make a mistake yeah and it's weird too because it's all like he's immediately equated it to a strong female character doing it as if that's supposed to be normal like are women supposed to fuck up that hard and you expect that I think he's just trying to be tongue-in-cheek because I literally sorry go ahead I literally don't understand what kind of point he's trying to make because it seems to go against previous points he's been making if he is suggesting that you think she should be stronger than this as a female character if that's the insinuation like I find myself thinking about this statement a lot with his video but I'm like what do you think you're saying Jack because I yeah I'm not getting it that's basically the question I would have from at this point what does he think he said what point does he just think he made give it to me again the same between the different between the rage and the praise videos as you go line by line that's the same thing everything else is like well you're going to be gushing about one thing or going to be hating on something so that's a pretty clear distinction he's not I don't think he actually made that distinction between your type as you described throughout the show he just wasn't catching onto the fact that oh he's really praising something here or in this video it's all hated or it's all criticism it's like okay can is there a different style he's using perhaps is he there's a reason why he's doing that either way let's continue with the tranquilizer in her own fucking foot God really a strong female character making mistakes can't have that in today's Hollywood with all that said I think I'm getting it now writing this with Eric combing through the archives I get why Mauler and those who follow him have convinced themselves that this is the same as a real in-depth nitty gritty critique real in-depth nitty gritty the hell do any of those leave does he want like like dramatic structure like what does he want to what what does it have definition what you might like you write a book like an essay and like publish it like what does he want well I mean you know he's telling me that there are no such things like an objective standard that I can adhere to or have presented and then he's like I am not adhering to standards that he he apparently has that I a nebulous too it's just like God this is just so confusing to follow but sure hey it's the it's the notepad is that the first time you've taken that out this video well the problem is that um it's all horrible and I don't know which I'm trying to think of which part the thing is with the notepad what I've just put down is is already been from other videos the real thing in-depth and nitty gritty I guess I can keep but I've already planned to put real into the thing because it's just funny to keep referring to the thing you're describing as real it's not that I've never done it before it's just that come on Jack real and in-depth what is a real critique what does that even mean yeah what would he define as one what do you think you're saying Jack it's clearly he's saying this and can't and in uh you know he's saying it in a very sarcastic way so it's like okay so he's he's is he suggesting that it's fake so what do you suggest is real and um yeah it's just find real first by the way they're just placeholders because he can't actually figure out what he's actually trying to tell me like does he mean inaccurate that's a different word altogether you know yeah you have an area unexamined in your mind and that's where the combination of conscious and unconscious impulses that make you feel certain ways about certain things lie you've built a system a conc- there's no such thing as being aware of your unconscious mind and it's called the subconscious if you want to be specific correct but yes but you wouldn't be aware of your unconscious during that time you'd be asleep and in beta mode or whatever well I'm assuming he's making the argument here that what I'm referring to as objective criticism is just a part of my mind that I'm not quite aware of uh you use both that's bizarre I don't I would never want to guesstimate his mental state or yours but if you listen to any of your videos whether it's the rage or the praise videos you do use objective observation and then you have a lot of emotion behind it so it's not really half and half but there is a difference apparently Jack just said he's still up for chat with Mola but nothing other than a one-on-one at this stage at least he's conceding that I personally I would do it just to see how it goes down because I think is would that be I feel like or to just be he he has to leave at one point and then I bring on Wolfenrags again well here's here's the thing he's not going to fucking he's not gonna work with you unless you strictly adhere to his rules so that's pretty much the only way you're going to get him to talk to you is by you know letting him throw his tantrum and just believe you know just going by his terms and I would say just do it just this once when I do him it'll clearly show that you're like the bigger person because I understand not throwing rags out that makes perfect sense but if he's going to concede that he's at least willing to have a conversation I would be interested in hearing it it's just so weird what is the animosity towards rags it looked like he was going to elaborate on that and then they just cut it out he just wanted it to be two on two he wanted to be him and Eric I don't know he's toxic Eric once said after he completed his video on wolf that uh he's happy to talk to wolf about it personally but not me and rags and I asked him why and he said because me and rags are two of the most toxic youtubers on the platform so I was like okay interesting but if he's likely he's willing to talk to me now I don't really want him at my birthday party sorry? it comes down to I don't really want him at my birthday party yeah obviously because we've addressed this now the whole he called me a schoolyard insult I have this the reaction of it's a schoolyard insult I'm confused why you're taking it so seriously if it's you would you agree that it's something that you shouldn't even matter and I've seen he very very polite everyone that disagrees with you whenever they come on your you know in your show like I know you'd be just a simple big bomber guy we're talking about rags though from what rags is like I don't know what would you describe him as rough or brutal rough rough I get it bloods sure none of these equalities that I actually have any problem with with rags I like how clear he is with the person he has an issue with but there's an element that you might find him too intimidating to want to I don't know be engaged with maybe they don't provide us a reason we're trying to assume one Jack has also just said your crowd led to the mass harassment of Star Wars crew members okay yeah that's not true Jack orchestrated many abuse campaigns in several countries including Australia and Germany if I say it's just true that's how this works to say repeat the lie enough right also I want to say I like rags a lot I think he's really cool I always enjoy listening to him and I left this comment on his newest video about Paul 76 but holy shit somebody give him more royalty free music to use because after an hour of that one lo-fi hip-hop song being used I wanted to shoot myself in the mouth again I really like rags but I was miserable say one point like the music just ended like for the last like 45 minutes or so there was like nothing left there was no music at all I would take no music over that same song for an hour I do agree that does but just switch it up a little bit how can he say that this is the kind of thing that results in the harassment the cast and crew when there's literally a part of the dream where you tell people not to harass him because that would be bad it doesn't matter it just doesn't matter I've had other people address this before they'd be like Mola what do you say the fact that your critiques would give people the sense that they are right to go after the cast and crew members whether or not you intended that I'm like what do you want me to say to that and they're like I want you to admit that you're responsible for cast and crew harassment and I'm like I'm not is this weird like I don't know if it's like an ideology thing but like if you read a book on fishing and then decide to kill your parents it's like you can't blame the fishing book it's sort of a guilty association thing honestly it's a very weak argument like your your followers or adults they're going to do what they want I disagreed with Jack on Twitter about some stuff and maybe I got a little bit nasty at first just seeing the way that he was approaching things really irked me because it was very insincere and very immature but you know I I tried my best not to attack him or anything like that I just think that people conflate the two very frequently um but yeah anyway let's kick on give us everything you got Jack create coherent system that has made it easier for you to identify what things specifically you don't like mostly somewhere along the way you convinced yourself that these things being objectively a part of the text arguably make your feelings on them also objective no arguably yeah but the arguably even if everything he said here was coherent and true all I have to do to prove him wrong is give him a film that I think is objectively bad that I enjoy therefore meaning my feelings contradicted to the what I would consider the objective assessment because his his revelation here for me is to be like Moeller don't you understand all of your feelings on films happen just so happened to line up with all your all your objective assessments on films and I'd be like but they don't though then he's like oh what and I'm like yeah so like the room I think it's fucking awful but I really enjoy it Batman and Robin is fucking awful but I really enjoy it um there are movies infinity war I think it's really flawed but I think like I I enjoy it to a level that's far beyond how flawed I consider it to be objectively GG0 I'm going oh yeah for sure is yeah the rest of this video is just going to be a 10 minutes of pseudo psycho analysis followed by a three minute patron crawl I'm going to be pissed a little bit for a minute I'm going to go grab a snack and then I'll just meet myself for like probably 10 minutes all good man bye these things being objectively a part of the text arguably make sure feelings on them also objective and now you've decided without a lick of real study into how most of this stuff could or should be measured that you're simply on another level to other critics you've seen the code now you can spread the word by giving really long summaries of things and going this good this bad this good this bad hell if you do it enough it's just like a real analysis it I nailed it shit nailed it wow that's exactly what you do this is the conciest misrepresentation I've ever heard of your content this good this bad long man bad he keeps that's the meme that's a new one right there we're using that I really like it long man how do you measure things like objectively like you just you just look at it it's just there it's right in front of your face that's it it's all we're doing what's weird is he keeps referring to the unbridled rages where it's just like quick and mostly entertaining and you you flat out say it like it's not facts I just realized we're at seven hours nine minutes and there's no way we're finishing within an hour I don't think especially with super chastity right out apparently YouTube streaming has a limit of eight hours oh start another well it's gonna say I can start another but that's like we're not stopping for anyone should I do you think I should stop and start now so it's chunkier on the other end of it or yeah good I would say so I think that would make sense so yeah this is gonna be a too far too far two-part e-fap and uh we we'll just I'll take the break for about five minutes I supposed to make sure they separate out um and then we will return and I I can just redo the thumbnail because it'll be a different cast that makes enough sense and we will address the rest of this video and then all the super chats after doing sort of conclusion it's gonna be great too far too far too farter let's go so yes goodbye chat we will return give us five to 10 minutes donate to my patreon